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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T08:51:43 < s1dev> would an rc circuit connected to mosfets work as a power inverter to generate a square wave?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T08:52:07 < Casper> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T08:52:48 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: what'd you break?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T08:53:11 < LeelooMinai> Nothing - just trying to diagnose something weird on the PCB
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T12:02:08 < ruby_on_tails> sad I know
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T12:02:26 < gpunk> well pepeol study for years to become electronicians
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T12:02:32 < ruby_on_tails> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T12:02:41 < gpunk> it aint burger flipping
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T12:02:46 < evilbetty> they do so to become commercial too :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T13:56:07 < Engen> multiplexer magic woooooo! xD
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T13:56:24 < p1oooop> Engen: nice.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T13:59:40 < db92> im looking to buy a wireless transmitter with the ability to receive internet signal through ethernet and transmit it wirelessly. which is the wireless mode i should look for in the specifications of the devices im looking to buy?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:00:52 < FreezingCold> db92: real time or is WiFi delay okay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:00:58 < FreezingCold> I really want to take off my shoes btw
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:02:09 < madist> are they glued on ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:07:28 < Tachyon`> oh right
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:07:31 < Tachyon`> its after 12pm
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:07:41 <@SpeedEvil> The above was pretty lame
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:07:46 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:07:51 < FreezingCold> i nearly fell for it
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:01 < RandomStranger> When do they get back to convincing jokes?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:03 < madist> Tachyon`: its 7PM, Apr 1 in some parts of the world.
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:05 < Storyteller> speed, why are you active as Op?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:07 < Tachyon`> oh that reminds me, I need to play pokemon
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:08:12 < FreezingCold> and that was an annoying to get a notice
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:15 < Tachyon`> only the UK is a valid part of the world for my purposes
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:20 <@SpeedEvil> I fell asleep.
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:08:23 < Tachyon`> like the US for americans
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:25 < Haxxa> any cheap and easy non surface mount microcontrollers or chips that can easily be interfaced - like atmega32u4 (only comes as surface mount part)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:27 < evilbetty> i wanna fly mine but i dont feel like building it
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:38 < Haxxa> * that are hid capable
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:45 < evilbetty> pic 16f84 :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:48 < Storyteller> so, I bought a cheap 1.4" 220px lcd, 18bit color
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:31:59 < evilbetty> good
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:35:52 < evilbetty> oh boy
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:35:53 < Haxxa> wait so I need no addional hardware to act as usb hid  (V-USB) in terms of a microcontroller
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:00 < Storyteller> ok, so if  Idrop mp3, what am  Ilooking at?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:15 < smeding> Haxxa: some microcontrollers have on-board USB, if that's what you mean
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:16 < evilbetty> parallel displays are faster than spi ones :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:27 < smeding> Haxxa: like the LPC11U2 from NXP and the K20 series from freescale
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:52 < smeding> Storyteller: probably still want something on the high end. i'd go with the fastest chip you can homebrew with
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:36:53 < evilbetty> with spi too
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:36:54 < FreezingCold> Is it bad to put 5V on the other end of a 9V regulator?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:36:58 < FreezingCold> I have a PCB that has a regulator on it
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:02 < FreezingCold> but I want to feed 5V in directly
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:04 < smeding> probably a tqfp ARM
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:06 < Storyteller> hmm, ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:06 < FreezingCold> so yeah, is it okay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:16 < smeding> FreezingCold: depends on the regulator, i think
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:19 < Storyteller> so, an arm probably then?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:24 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: yeah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:28 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: Cortex M4 most likely
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:31 < evilbetty> god damnit
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:32 < Storyteller> I want something that is very simple to get up and running
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:36 < evilbetty> i typed a workrelated mistake
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:37 < smeding> Storyteller: that regardless, it's the easiest to work with
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:48 < FreezingCold> smeding: would it hurt to try?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:37:57 < Storyteller> ok, so Ill have to spend $100 plus extra for a dev kit
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:37:59 < evilbetty> FreezingCold: yes its bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:38:01 < smeding> FreezingCold: check the datasheet?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:38:03 < Storyteller> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:38:16 < evilbetty> regulator datasheets have circuits with diodes especially for safety when input < output
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:38:22 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: oh. what about if I put 9V on the other end?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:38:27 < evilbetty> then its gine
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:38:28 < Storyteller> what if I just make it a watch for now, and I can change the brain later?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:38:28 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I'm leaving the input empty
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:38:29 < evilbetty> fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:38:56 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: thanks!
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:39:05 < evilbetty> FreezingCold: http://cocodrilabs.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/lm317-21.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:39:15 < evilbetty> these 2 diodes are there especially for input lower than output
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:39:23 < Storyteller> minimal chip for a 220x220 display, with date/time/alarm and possibly room for say a thermometr or something simple, a few pictures of my kid?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:39:42 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: what kind of 220x220 display?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:39:44 < Storyteller> getting a big M4 arm is nice, but not for something like this
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:39:50 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: "big"?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:39:52 < Storyteller> a circular one
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:40:00 < FreezingCold> they're like five bucks
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:40:02 < FreezingCold> hardly big
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:40:03 < evilbetty> Storyteller: oe with enough outputs, or a shift register
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2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:40:10 < FreezingCold> you can get cortex m0's in as small as DIP8
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:40:14 < evilbetty> but parallel data busses generally are a lot easier than serial ones
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:40:16 < madist> Storyteller: if M4 is big then what of Intel's new 64bit hobbyist board ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:40:30 < Haxxa> Ok so whats an easy way to get v-usb on a device that runs arduino code and can any as a keyboardr while not been surface mount?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:41:32 < smeding> why not something that isn't V-USB
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:41:35 < smeding> why not use a teensy
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2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:41:43 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: yeah it works
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T14:41:44 < FreezingCold> thanks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:42:04 < evilbetty> ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T14:42:18 < Haxxa> smeding because I am soldering it to a pcb
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:33 < smeding> i think that's the intended use case
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:41 < SpeedEvil> Storyteller: link to the display vendor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:43 < smeding> so long as you don't go under the minimum bend radius
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:16:43 < FreezingCold> what does this line mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:16:45 < FreezingCold> #if defined(__PCD__)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:45 < Storyteller> ok cool, it will look very nice I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:54 < Storyteller> Ill probably cast a case in brass for it
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:16:58 < Storyteller> or sterling
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:17:10 < smeding> FreezingCold: if __PCD__ is a defined preprocessor macro, execute everything until the corresponding 'endif'
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:17:16 < smeding> or rather
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:17:20 < smeding> interpret everything after that
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:17:20 < FreezingCold> smeding: what does PCD mean though?
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:17:24 < FreezingCold> that's what I meant to ask
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:17:25 < smeding> FreezingCold: application-dependent
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:05 < SpeedEvil> No, he gave an ebay picture
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:11 < SpeedEvil> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:19 < Storyteller> its already bought
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:18:25 < FreezingCold> smeding: Can you change a define after it's been set?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:26 < Storyteller> Ive had my eye on one for awhile
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:18:31 < FreezingCold> like can I do #define demo PIN_A1
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:18:39 < FreezingCold> and then two lines later, do #define demo PIN_A3?
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:39 < Storyteller> at $10, I kinda 'had' to
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:18:47 < smeding> FreezingCold: i think so
2014-04.log:2014-04-01T15:18:52 < FreezingCold> smeding: I'll try :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:18:56 < SpeedEvil> The LCD says 117mW power use.
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T15:19:04 < SpeedEvil> This will dominate your power budget.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T18:05:34 < joga> hmm.. I dumpster dived a massage chair pad thingy, it works otherwise but the vertical movement is stuck in the top position and touches a contact that apparently stops it from going too far (http://joga.daug.net/stop.jpg), and just does a little wiggle when it tries to move...
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T18:06:04 < SpeedEvil> I'm going with 'cog has sheared gear'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T19:40:22 < joga> bunder, it works otherwise but when it tries to lower the massage thingy it just keeps hanging there at the top, so it can't massage lower back :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T19:40:27 < Phantom> result: months of work to redo
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T19:40:38 < joga> (I dumpster dived it today so not sure how it got faulty)
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T19:40:56 < bunder> i guess it would be easier if i had it in my hands heh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:48:24 < JFK911> that's fine too
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:48:43 < JFK911> however the digital display is kind of nice to have
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:48:52 < gdogg> Yeah I can imagine
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2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:48:58 < gdogg> not that I'd know what temperature is appropriate haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:48:59 < JFK911> ive had mine since 2007, i twisted the cable and had to untwist it
2014-04.log-2014-04-01T21:49:07 < CoolBeer> Digital display is one thing, digital temp input is not as good as a knob though.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:05:53 < electrostatic> I like mosfets
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:06:02 < Hyratel> you need to pull the gate low. and the fet needs to be on the "Low side" of the laod
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:06:04 < electrostatic> they make me happy
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:06:07 < FreezingCold> Wow, the pricks at Thermo Fisher still haven't emailed me back
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:06:14 < blockh34d> electrostatic: haha as a skater my favorite nickname was 'roadkill'.  ihad a dead cat drawn on my skateboard
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:06:20 < FreezingCold> I sent it to like five different addresses, someone must have gotten it
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:06:37 < electrostatic> =)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:07:17 < electrostatic> blockh34d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qyXuLQvh00
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:07:42 < FreezingCold> ugh, I can't even find the .dll to reverse engineer
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:08:08 < blockh34d> electrostatic: youtube-dl says i cant dl that video, sorry
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:08:23 < blockh34d> i'm on pos rpi and it can not play flash / youtube in browser to save its life
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:08:45 < blockh34d> jk rpi not pos i love em
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:26:13 < hjf> until they understand it's just a LOT faster to do support over the phone
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:26:22 < hjf> for really dumb shit like a disconnected cable
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:26:25 < blockh34d> maybe you should show up and cane them
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:26:28 < FreezingCold> hjf: hire someone else to work support when you get a few more clients
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:26:30 < hjf> which is 99% of the time
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:26:32 < blockh34d> so they know theres is a price to pay
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:27:34 < blockh34d> I do my best support with nunchuks.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:27:44 < hjf> FreezingCold: yeah lol but usually actual support calls are real fuckups
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:27:59 < hjf> that really need high level tech to fix
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:28:58 < hjf> i'm curious about the machine i have to fix
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:29:06 < hjf> he told me it's an automatic bagging machine
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:32:30 < hjf> R0b0t1: i'll give em a list of parts from the supplier, they will buy these directly
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:32:37 < hjf> for tax purposes i can't do that
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:34:00 < FreezingCold> hjf: does their firewall let you through?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:34:06 < FreezingCold> you could easily get locked out
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:34:50 < hjf> FreezingCold: my buddy that got me the job is their network admin
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:34:59 < hjf> he lives here. so he has remote access
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:35:22 < FreezingCold> oh good
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:35:36 < R0b0t1> hjf: Huh really?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:35:49 < R0b0t1> Well, I guess it might be slightly more complicated to bill them materials, I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:35:50 < hjf> R0b0t1: really what
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:35:55 < R0b0t1> but that is usually how I see it done
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:36:01 < FreezingCold> in another situation, I would suggest creating a Tor hidden service and use that to basically setup a reverse ssh tunnel or punch through the firewall
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T03:36:09 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: he's not american
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:36:11 < hjf> yeh id like to make a big fat bill of parts + labor
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T03:36:17 < hjf> but we have VAT here
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:07:59 < R0b0t1> SpeedEvil: I know, but eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:08:04 < R0b0t1> usually for more complex stuff than that
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:09:04 < Red_Onyx> the plane is still missing
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:09:14 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: the problem with a lot of kids is that they have no application when learning math
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:09:24 < hjf> so i asked about the "alternative" bus stop
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:09:34 < FreezingCold> I remember learning quadratic formulas and everyone felt like they would never use it in life...
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:09:40 < hjf> a friend says it's ok...theres lots of people there and its well lit.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:10:16 < electrostatic> I mean, I kind of understand what they are tryign to say, "you can count by 10s", but then they confuse the crap out of it
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:11:18 < FreezingCold> learning hex would probably be a good thing too
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:11:29 < FreezingCold> honestly there's so much application for hex outside of electronics
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:11:32 < FreezingCold> or there should be :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:11:32 < electrostatic> and they are not graded on wheter they get the answer, but whether or not they try to stick to the overly complicated "system"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:18 < blockh34d> just an all around awesome experience
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:19 < electrostatic> ya, was about to say, most toriod cores are ferrite, just double chekced even
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:33:22 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: what's it for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:27 < R0b0t1> ss23: Well see crossdev is SUPPOSED to handle it but either a build script or something that configures it is borked
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:27 < R0b0t1> so
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:28 < R0b0t1> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:33:58 < blockh34d> looking at that ebay listing now
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:34:21 < xdsparks> also, how would I find out the amount of voltage I should supply? i assume 3v at the most?  I pulled the 7-segment led off of an old pcb
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:34:24 < blockh34d> so thats flexible?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:34:30 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: you could buy an LCD screen for that much you know
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:34:41 < Hyratel> blockh34d, [ durability | ease of use | low cost ] <- pick any two
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:34:42 < blockh34d> yah but i need something very durable
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:34:48 < Hyratel> FreezingCold, ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:34:53 < blockh34d> durability twice
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:35:00 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: I usually use 5V and a 330 ohm resistor if my memory serves me right
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:35:19 < FreezingCold> that's a nice 15 mA :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:27 < xdsparks> So 5V AFTER the resistor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:28 < blockh34d> i can't tell though, is that unit flexible?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:34 < blockh34d> seems like it
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:35:34 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: um, no?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:36 < Hyratel> no, it is not
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:44 < xdsparks> How much does 330 phm resistor limit  5v to?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:35:52 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: 15 mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:35:56 < Hyratel> but, you could get several shorter ones and mount thm with interflexes
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:35:57 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: I assume you're using a microcontroller here
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:12 < spiderca1eb> Hyratel, could that power a simple voltmeter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:36:15 < xdsparks> FreezingCold: As i said in my first message
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:26 < Hyratel> probably not *power* one
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:31 < blockh34d> Hyratel: do you see a size on that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:35 < xdsparks> What about the other portion of my question?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:44 < blockh34d> oh there we go it was hiding
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:36:45 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: well does your microcontroller give out 5V or 3.3V?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:46 < pwillard> If you make all the LED's share one resistor, all LEDS get that 15mA... whether 1 or 7 are lit... so brightness will always be different depending on how many segments light up
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:36:48 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: either is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:36:56 < Hyratel> blockh34d,  -> " The LED digits themselves are 142mm high (0.56 inch) high."
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:36:57 < FreezingCold> pwillard: yeah don't do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:12 < blockh34d> thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:37:14 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: oh yeah you need a resistor on every output
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:37:18 < xdsparks> FreezingCold: I believe 5V
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:18 < Hyratel> pwillard, what are you trying to do?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:29 < Hyratel> pwillard, shift register?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:30 < electrostatic> spiderca1eb: you are looking for a toroida x0former to power a volt meter, am I readign that right?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:45 < pwillard> Ummm help xdsparks... I'm not "doing" anything myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:47 < blockh34d> i wonder how close in someone could stack those maybe with slight modification?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:54 < xdsparks> fIf i  wanted to hook up a 7-segment display to a microcontroller would I be required to use a resistor for every pin, or just for the ground/
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:37:55 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: so 330 or anywhere around there is fine. It just needs about 10 mA to 18 mA usually, so do voltage / current = resistance
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:37:57 < xdsparks> also, how would I find out the amount of voltage I should supply? i assume 3v at the most?  I pulled the 7-segment led off of an old pcb
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:38:02 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: every pin
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:11 < Hyratel> pwillard, if you're trying to power 8 (16) LEDs, you should get a Constant Current LED Driver Shift Register
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:26 < Hyratel> oh.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:30 < Hyratel> redirected to xdsparks
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:32 < pwillard> <sigh>  I'm not doing anything with led's
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:38:34 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: they make shift registers for LEDs?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:38:41 < Hyratel> FreezingCold, oh hells yes!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:44 < Hyratel> look up
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:45 < Hyratel> umm
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:38:47 < CoolBeer> That's nice, you are now a terrorist in the eyes of Saudi Arabia if you are an atheist: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2014/03/31/saudi-arabia-doubles-down-on-atheism-new-laws-declares-it-equivalent-to-terrorism/
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:38:49 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: linky link
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:01 < Firehopper> isnt that a 595?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:06 < blockh34d> i like the looks of that display unit Hyratel thanks a lot
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:17 < Hyratel> " TI TLC5916"
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:20 < pwillard> TPIC6B595
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:21 < blockh34d> let me know if you see any that are a multiline stack of them
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:39:23 < FreezingCold> CoolBeer: that's hardly news... Anyone with half a brain who lives there wouldn't say they aren't a Muslim
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:39:37 < CoolBeer> FreezingCold: Sure, but now it's law.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:47 < Hyratel> Current Sink (low side) CC LED Shift Register
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:39:50 < xdsparks> i aprecaiate the info
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:39:51 < xdsparks> I don't understand the idea behind  it all, FreezingCold do you have any more detail or a link i could read?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:39:54 < FreezingCold> jesus christ those are expensive
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:03 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: Have you worked with ohms law much yet?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:09 < xdsparks> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:12 < FreezingCold> ahhhhh
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:17 < electrostatic> it's very important
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:17 < FreezingCold> xdsparks: arduino?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:20 < R0b0t1> What is consecratively expensive?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:33 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: $1
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:34 < pwillard> yeah, don't by the TPIC part from Sparkfun
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:45 < pwillard> $225 there
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:51 < FreezingCold> pwillard: actually now that I look up on digikey it's not that bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:40:53 < Hyratel> FreezingCold, xdsparks -> http://www.ti.com/product/tlc5916
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:40:57 < Hyratel> you can sample PDIPs
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:41:02 < pwillard> right... always shop around
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:41:06 < FreezingCold> oh you want sample DIPs?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:41:09 < FreezingCold> let me show you
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:41:10 < xdsparks> attiny
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:41:15 < Hyratel> I have one still in the baggie
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:41:21 < FreezingCold> damn my android is out of battery
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:41:59 < pwillard> But DIP format is the most expensive packaging on the TPIC6B595
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:42:05 < Hyratel> TI is VERY VERY GOOD for getting samples from
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:42:14 < xdsparks> Hyratel: not an issue with just one 7 segment display
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:42:16 < Hyratel> timely, free shipping, and they're generous in part counts
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:42:27 < pwillard> as long as you live in te USA and don give them a GMAIL address
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:42:36 < Hyratel> I use a live.com
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:42:57 < FreezingCold> pwillard: .edu, company email and another college
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:43:05 < FreezingCold> one of those should work
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:43:18 < pwillard> right... I use my work email address
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:44:49 < FreezingCold> microchip has been the most amazing to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:45:01 < pwillard> they are among the best
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:45:33 < electrostatic> work email is great for stuff like that whne you have a "respectable" job
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:46:59 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/XVVUZ80.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:48:17 < FreezingCold> those are like half PIC18F4685's
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:48:34 < FreezingCold> $8 bucks a pop
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:49:09 < electrostatic> xdsparks: What FreezingCold said about learning ohms law is really important, though.  It is not only key to figuring out current, but also voltage divisions, heat generation in components, even how analog filters and class A amplifiers work,
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:49:15 < electrostatic> good stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:50:12 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: What do you need that's so durable
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:50:17 < xdsparks> what about anode vs caothde?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:50:18 < FreezingCold> or was that blockh34d who's getting the 14 seg?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T04:50:25 < xdsparks> does that only apply for rgb leds?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:58:24 < FreezingCold> Hyratel: seems like that might get too heavy?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T04:59:15 < FreezingCold> depending on what it is, I would almost suggest using sound
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:00:25 < ohsix> buns
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:00:32 < spiderca1eb> electrostatic: split toroid xformer to clamp on to a wire, the induced current to power a voltmeter that measures voltage across a known load (possibly itself being load) to determine current in clamped wire
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:01:06 < FreezingCold> buns?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:01:21 < ohsix> hot crossed or steamed
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:01:27 < ohsix> or brown
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:02:00 < electrostatic> spiderca1eb: And you know that is only going to work for AC, correct?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:07:48 < seba-> hey
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:07:49 < R0b0t1> No. You just wrap wires around header pins, basically.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:07:52 < seba-> i have this cable http://sigrok.org/wiki/Device_cables#UNI-T_UT-D02
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:08:00 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: oh god why
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:08:07 < FreezingCold> don't wrap
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:08:09 < seba-> and i think it doesn't work with USB/RS232 because it needs power
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:08:18 < seba-> i've opened the connector side
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:08:21 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: He's decided to use perfboard and while wirewrap is a huge pain in the ass
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:08:26 < R0b0t1> it makes perfboard easier
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:08:34 < seba-> and it has the orange cable to DTR+DSR and green to RTS+CTS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:09:13 < seba-> what voltage levels would this be?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:09:14 < oscillate> my accountant looks a little and sounds alot like Paul Giamatti
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:09:25 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: why not use screw terminals?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:09:45 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: How do you connect between those...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:09:54 < R0b0t1> Those work for going outside of the perfboard
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:10:20 < FreezingCold> oh inside
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:10:32 < FreezingCold> I thought you were doing outside
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:10:35 < FreezingCold> /s/you/him
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:10:49 < R0b0t1> seba-: Depends what year was it made?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:11:13 < R0b0t1> seba-: Doesn't look like it expects a static Vin so if it was recent you might be able to get it to work on  5V serial adapter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:15:25 < R0b0t1> Or one without it and just make sure the pins match up
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:16:17 < FreezingCold> or get a 5V TTL USB-serial
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:16:40 < FreezingCold> seba-: yeah I have the same connector
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:16:49 < FreezingCold> I have a USB version though
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:17:03 < seba-> FreezingCold, R0b0t1, http://www.nbglin.com/485.htm i have this one
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:17:04 < FreezingCold> the HID encoding is a PITA, I gave up. If you want to use it, you have to use Windows
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:17:08 < R0b0t1> The USB-serial with DB9 would probably be 5V
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:17:27 < R0b0t1> seba-: That is even better can't you just you know
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:17:30 < R0b0t1> click them together
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:17:34 < R0b0t1> stick usb into it
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:17:49 < FreezingCold> or just get the USB version of that IR connector
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:18:02 < seba-> FreezingCold, i need it in 2 days
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:06 < seba-> hm
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:14 < seba-> i guess i'll just find a computer with a real com port
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:32 < seba-> i've had a cheap USB/RS232 which worked with this, but it died
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:38 < seba-> those pl2302 clones
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:46 < R0b0t1> http://www.nbglin.com/485.htm
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:18:49 < R0b0t1> that will work
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:18:54 < FreezingCold> yeah I have a PL2302 clone that works great too
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:19:09 < seba-> R0b0t1, it doesn't, it doesn't have DTR, RTS; etc. lines connected
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:19:11 < seba-> to anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:19:32 < R0b0t1> Does the IR thing you have use them? I couldn't tell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:24:38 < OoTLink> haha ok I'm exaggerating, they said msp430 not arduino
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T05:24:46 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: you have to, it's meant to isolate power
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T05:25:05 < OoTLink> I think I'll apply and call them out on their bullshit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:04:50 < seba-> voilla
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:06:19 < FreezingCold> Casper: because people who do drugs often do drugs during work hours
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:06:37 < FreezingCold> call it unfair, but most drug users do
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:07:24 < Casper> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:07:27 < Casper> but still
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:15:24 < electrostatic> It's even odder here now in Wa state, because it';s lega
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:15:28 < electrostatic> *legal
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:16:08 < FreezingCold> Casper: it's a stereotype that's true: most pot or any drug users will do it "only" once or twice during work during their employment
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:16:21 < FreezingCold> and once is enough to be a liability risk
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:16:49 < FreezingCold> the only reason we don't have alcohol testing is because it goes through your system really fast and it's usually easy to tell if someone has been drinking
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:17:36 < Casper> yeah, but they can't prove it has been at work
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:17:47 < Casper> or that the person even smoked
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:17:56 < Casper> but anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:18:01 < Casper> that's not the point
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:18:38 < FreezingCold> it's not about proving :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T06:18:40 < Casper> the police have no right to force you to take a test (but can get a judge to force you), but your boss can force you...
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:18:52 < FreezingCold> employment is optional
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:19:06 < FreezingCold> the police isn't
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:43:19 < FreezingCold> Oh cool, I somehow ended up getting a fake 1920x1080 screen going by mistake
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:43:21 < FreezingCold> oopies
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T06:43:49 < FreezingCold> yay fixed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:02:21 < Hyratel> is there a problem, ohsix ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:08 < Datz> Also, I was considering trying somthing like this for the fun of it. Can anyone tell me how aweful or super swell of an idea it is?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:11 < Datz> http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Get-Emergency-Power-from-a-Phone-Line/
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:24 < ohsix> awful
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:33 < Hyratel> very dangerous
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:39 < Datz> yeah, I thought it might be
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:40 < FrankZappa> haa
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:47 < ohsix> phone lines are designed to barely overcome leakage and trying to draw power from them for !ringing is bad
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:03:58 < ohsix> dangerous? not so much
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:04:02 < FrankZappa> hey Datz did you know iOS7 upgrade makes phones waterproof?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:04:05 < ohsix> just not a good idea for you or the phone system
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:05:00 < ohsix> you can probably find an rfc or specification for phone manufacturers to what the limits on current draw is
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:05:19 < Hyratel> but it's "not much"
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:05:21 < ohsix> if you heed that, you might be able to experiment with it safely; but you could just simulate it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:05:58 < Datz> well, just trying to measure the voltage on my phone line (DSL) my service was interrupted
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:06:05 < Hyratel> I think the phone line is something like ... 48v
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:06:19 < ohsix> yea, dsl isn't going to like that, shorting it even with a high impedance multimeter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:07:17 < OoSLink> people still use dsl?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:07:27 < ohsix> most people?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:07:28 < FrankZappa> I think he means "diesel"
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:07:37 < Datz> :'(
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:07:56 < Datz> a whole 6Mb/s down!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:03 < FrankZappa> I use biological oils
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:07 < OoSLink> hey if you fart within the proximity of a dsl modem
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:09 < FrankZappa> aka weasel diesel
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:31 < Datz> I don't think cable is too much better
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:42 < Datz> I guess they call it "uverse" here anyway.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:08:52 < Datz> vdsl .. idk
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:09:53 < Hyratel> DSL is a digital signal riding on top of the acoustic POTS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:10:18 < OoSLink> meh
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:10:25 < OoSLink> we have at&t+comcast here too
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:11:06 < Casper> here they are starting to deploy FTTH
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:12:07 < OoSLink> :O
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:12:38 < Datz> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:12:49 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/ib4n7pv.png <- 6830x3840
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:12:51 < FreezingCold> suck it
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:13:41 < Datz> four monitors?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:13:47 < FreezingCold> one
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:13:53 < FreezingCold> my laptop
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:14:01 < Datz> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:14:06 < Datz> mapple
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:14:07 < FrankZappa> "scale 5x5?"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:14:17 < FreezingCold> FrankZappa: sssssshhh!
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:14:21 < FrankZappa> heheh
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:14:25 < FreezingCold> slience!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:17:40 < ohsix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BORSCHT someone is a qt
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:18:22 < ohsix> too bad xrandr doesn't let you use a multisample resolve for that scaling
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:18:49 < ohsix> you could 'double' the dpi and have free antialiasing for shitty apps
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:18:53 < Datz> Is it also a bad idea to charge a 3.7v li-ion battery directly with a 5v 500mA charger?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:19:31 < ohsix> a cell withotu some sort of charge controller shouldn't be used with a 5v thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:19:40 < Datz> humm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:19:57 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I killed my screen temporarily by mistake
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:21:13 < Datz> rats
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:21:13 < ohsix> for starters you need to not exceed the cell charge voltage at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:21:35 < ohsix> you could be the charge controller if you had the right voltage supply and just watched it
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:21:35 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the problem is most apps don't scale that well
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T07:21:41 < FreezingCold> to higher res anyway
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:22:02 < Datz> I was trying to look into it, and it seems lead acid 12v lead acid batteries charge with 13-14 volts at times
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T07:22:12 < Datz> er
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T08:44:09 < madist> the quest continues ...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T08:47:34 < jpa-> madist: yeah, generally thumb drives would have a multiple of 12MHz for usb
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T08:47:35 < ohsix> a quest?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T08:47:52 < MjrTom> What is your quest?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T08:52:26 < FrankZappa> twitter cofounder is named "Biz Stone"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:03:30 < ohsix> i've come to terms with not being 18-24 and buying lots of stuff and being stupid
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:03:43 < ohsix> the more you move out of those demos the less it will be relevant
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:03:52 < ohsix> (vs. people moving in)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:03:58 < hagbard> ohsix: I met a person responsible for reading those. Best way to ensure your feedback gets noticed/considered/referred to the right people? Use proper grammar.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:04:08 < hagbard> or even spelling.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:09:33 < ohsix> i just plain don't find some things due to how specialized the shit i normally search for is, and my only option is to log out / anonymize the search, it would be cool if you could just say 'back off a little'
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T09:09:44 < ohsix> or prune a subject/topic that's really distorting your results
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:17:54 < _abc_> Rabbits more likely.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:18:01 < _abc_> Crafty Brits.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:18:07 < vetch> ferrets are fairly unpleasant animals. they smell awful and have ridiculously sharp teeth.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:18:28 < ohsix> that
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:18:31 < _abc_> vetch: Tame ones place their teeth in hunted food not in their owners
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:58:50 < madist> instead of 2 27 ohm resistors on a USB D+/D- line, if I use 2 33 ohm resistors, it should not make any difference right ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:59:05 < madist> 45 vs 66 ohm line impedance ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:59:11 < _abc_> vetch: If you say so
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T10:59:27 < FreezingCold> speaking of USB
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T10:59:38 < FreezingCold> the pans on the shield of this connector got ripped off...
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T10:59:58 < madist> or can I leave the resistors off altogether and have some chance that it will still work ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:00:05 < FreezingCold> should I try to glue it, or should I solder on a cable directly?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:00:27 < MjrTom> LeelooMinai did you find the problem in your circuit?  Im betting you did; where was it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:00:45 < ohsix> StrangeloveMD_: by the way, your link doesn't go anywhere
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:00:51 < ohsix> StrangeloveMD_: it asks you to log in
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:03:46 < madist> dog eat dog
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:03:56 < ohsix> it was literally what i thought was going on
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:03:59 < madist> even LeelooMinai doesn't care about us anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:04:06 < FreezingCold> So, how should I resolder this? http://i.imgur.com/jZpIepF.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:04:15 < FreezingCold> the pads are way gone
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:04:27 < ohsix> irc = context free
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:04:34 < madist> throw it away FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:04:40 < FreezingCold> madist: :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:04:42 < FreezingCold> nooo
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:04:44 < ohsix> digression into context free grammars and how they don't work
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:04:45 < LeelooMinai> I don't because I work on this now:) http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2810/13576450145_11e68474e5_o.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:05:08 < ohsix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_grammar aren't i clever
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:05:32 < ohsix> now, from computer science to electronics, help me out
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:05:40 < FreezingCold> ugh, the pan is going to be hard to hold on
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:05:40 < ohsix> 01:05 <StrangeloveMD_> It is not fair to pollute a public board with such aspie nonsense.
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:06:02 < madist> FreezingCold: have you ripped out any tracks under the socket ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:08 < madist> how many layers is that board ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:31  * madist considers aquiring tourettes
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:33 < ohsix> StrangeloveMD_: don't punish me too harshly for taking you at face value
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:06:34 < FreezingCold> looks like four, but that's just by my eyes
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:43 < ohsix> i made a mistake
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:45 < madist> tourettes is more fashionable than aspergers
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:06:54 < madist> everyone and their uncle is an aspie these days
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:06:54 < FreezingCold> madist: the data pins are okay, but the shielding ones are gone (you can see it in the pic)
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:07:10 < ohsix> i'm uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:07:19 < ohsix> mollified
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:07:36  * madist likes molls
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:09:56 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: the contrary, assuming they aren't :\
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:10:11  * madist does not appreciate shitty photographs
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:10:27 < MjrTom> LeelooMinai it is pretty indeed.  I can somewhat imagine what it must look like in person
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:10:30 < FreezingCold> does USB +5 and GND have to be connected directly or can I grab it off any part of the PCB?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:10:48 < madist> FreezingCold: is it a 5V system or a 3.3V system ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:10:54 < madist> or a 2.5V system ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:10:54 < FreezingCold> no clue
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:10:57 < FreezingCold> It's a DVD drive
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:10:59  * madist saw one yesterday
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:11:16 < FreezingCold> I can't measure the voltage as it's broken
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:11:47 < madist> introducing 5V into random locations on a 3.3V circuit can be quite entertaining.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:13:11 < evilbetty> sweet suzies
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:13:16 < madist> evil boobies
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:13:21 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I can't tell
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:13:30 < LeelooMinai> Wonderful - I triggered interrupt on comparator and all is nice, but I cannot clear the flag and it retriggers indefinitelly...
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:13:30 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/jZpIepF.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:13:55 < MjrTom> why cant you clear the flag?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:13:56 < LeelooMinai> wth is that flag...
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:14:08 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: level or edge triggered?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:14:31 < evilbetty> did you solder that usb connector?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:14:37 < evilbetty> or did a chinese kid to it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:14:46 < FreezingCold> chinese kid
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:14:50 < evilbetty> oh it broke off :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:14:59 < Tachyon`> looks like a machine did it
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:15:03 < Tachyon`> then yeah, mechanical abuse
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:15:04  * evilbetty tries to see between the pixel noise :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:15:09 < FreezingCold> Tachyon`: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:15:11 < LeelooMinai> Because I cannot find it... it's using the external interrupt controller and it has 27 or so lines, and this happens to be line 21, but the pending flags go only to 19... lol:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:15:30 < MjrTom> tricky
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:16:11 < scrts_w> FreezingCold: remove the solder mask around the pads
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:16:22 < FreezingCold> scrts_w: uh what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:16:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... the periph lib from stm32 does not even have interrupt control for the comparator module
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:16:35 < FreezingCold> scrts_w: sounds like a good way to rip off more trances
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:16:45 < ohsix> ghgyughuh cbs.com gives you 'coins' for watching a video
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:16:46 < scrts_w> it's GND plane around?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:16:47 < scrts_w> no?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:04 < FreezingCold> honestly can't tell
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:17:14 < scrts_w> so many vias
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:15 < FreezingCold> it's hard because I can't measure the voltage with a broken system
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:17:17 < scrts_w> should be gnd
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:18 < FreezingCold> yeaaa
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:20 < FreezingCold> well
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:22 < FreezingCold> I dunno
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:17:32 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: the irq return instruction doesn't acknowledge it? if it keeps getting triggered, check edge vs. level
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:33 < FreezingCold> which end of USB is pin 1?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:17:50 < scrts_w> the pads where f*cked up because of the small necks helping to solder the pads
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:17:56 < FreezingCold> the side with the arrow right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:18:03 < scrts_w> there should be direct connect
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:18:37 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: It's triggered on edge fine and entered the right IRQ routine - it's not the problem. The problem is clearing the IRQ pending state - normally it's not a problem
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:18:41 < FreezingCold> yep it is a ground plane
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:19:42 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: is there a register for it? i literally don't know, i'm used to irq return instructions, or things you turn entirely off in the irq in response
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:19:58 < Polesch> I wonder what this is https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15526481/pic7/WP_20140402_002.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:20:22 < scrts_w> FreezingCold: look here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/PCB_copper_pour_thermal_pads.png you see how separate pins connected to the ground?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:20:27 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: There's zillion registers for all this stuff on ARMs: http://i.imgur.com/o38evyV.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:20:28 < scrts_w> I mean pins of the connectors
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:20:46 < LeelooMinai> And that's just a tiny part of related registers
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T11:20:55 < FreezingCold> scrts_w: pin 4 & 5 seem to be on the gnd plane
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:21:21 < ohsix> arm has irq return instructions, are you using some library/rtos that has bottom/top irq handlers?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T11:21:39 < ohsix> (bored & willing to read documentation)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:50:27 < evilbetty> a 988 may be worse and smaller than a 966
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:50:58 < evilbetty> anyway i dont need one really :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:51:35 < evilbetty> the main change is hey moved from 3axis to 6 axis gyro
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:52:51 < madist> wtf is 6 axis ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:52:57 < madist> there are only 3 that I know of
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T12:53:05 < evilbetty> 3accel + 3gyrp
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:10:57 < Jan-> snksnksnk
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:11:10 < JFK911> I was wondering what your speech machine would do with chinese characters.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:11:12 < Jan-> the problem is how do you get the low voltage cutoff to un-cutoff so they can charge
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:11:49 < JFK911> well, you might use a separate terminal for the charger connection, than the load.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:11:58 < ohsix> yu measure it even when not charging
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T14:12:02 < Jan-> I don't think the super low loss nimh are that sensitive to over discharge
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:46:04 < _abc_> And it is not compatible, much smaller (smd board-fu only) and so on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:46:11 < evilbetty> ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:13 < FreezingCold> so I have a $3,000 robot and I figured out how to move it through the serial port
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:18 < FreezingCold> should I write a wrapper in C or python?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:29 < FreezingCold> $3,000 used* :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:32 < _abc_> FreezingCold: robot arm?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:46:42 < evilbetty> its not yours stop pretending it is:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:52 < FreezingCold> not my pitch but http://pics.equipnet.com/mp_data/images/largepic/Nov/2013115104915_373124_1.JPG
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:46:55 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: stfu it's mine
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:46:58 < evilbetty> :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:47:09 < FreezingCold> i can totally sneak it out of class and onto the bus
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:47:12 < FreezingCold> nobody would notice
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:13 < evilbetty> yesterday it wasnt yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:16 < evilbetty> ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:24 < evilbetty> how did it got so large?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:34 < evilbetty> yesterfday it still fitted a cardboard box
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:47:35 < jadew> FreezingCold, use whatever language you like most
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:54 < jadew> evilbetty, it ate a lot of iron
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:47:56 < FreezingCold> jadew: I'm inexperienced in both, but I'm going to throw it up on github later
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:47:59 < evilbetty> i guess so
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:48:10 < cerberii> anyone hear about zuckerburg bought carmack's oculus?
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:48:14 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: jelly
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:48:21 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: be very jelly
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:48:21 < evilbetty> apparently
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:48:23 < FreezingCold> I got four of them
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:48:26 < R0b0t1> what
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:48:28 < R0b0t1> :|
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:48:28 < FreezingCold> well only three working ones
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:48:38 < FreezingCold> but yeahhh they're the college's, not mine lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:17 < evilbetty> i'm tired of hearing police helis
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:21 < cerberii> yah well, I have thousands of these, currently in boxes of lego , not built http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dawCKTuah-E
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:30 < Jan-> rehi
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:31  * Jan- is back
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:49:38 < FreezingCold> fuckf uckf
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:49:39 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: If you know the camera footage isn't saved, you can wheel one out on the bus
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:40 < r0b-> hi Jan-
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:41 < evilbetty> already in vegas?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:46 < Jan-> Naw. Leave friday.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:48 < R0b0t1> they'll realize it is gone months later
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:49:51 < FreezingCold> i hit the table
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:51 < R0b0t1> and have no idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:49:52 < FreezingCold> crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:49:53 < Jan-> Can't you tell from my ip address?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:50:11 < evilbetty> maybe if i'd do effort
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:50:15 < cerberii> http://www.abb-conversations.com/2014/02/an-abb-robot-made-out-of-lego-is-a-perfect-scandinavian-match/
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:50:25 < R0b0t1> but that robot arm is too cool :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:50:34 < FreezingCold> yeah I hit the table hard
2014-04.log:2014-04-02T18:50:35 < FreezingCold> crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:50:51 < evilbetty> computer sais no
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:50:55 < evilbetty> says
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:51:10 < cerberii> ABB robots are the ones in ironman 3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:54:12 < Jan-> about 1.5 usually
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:54:33 < evilbetty> 1.66 these days
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:54:37 < evilbetty> $ isnt exactly doing well
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:55:36 < evilbetty> biggest price goes to that multiturn pot :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T18:55:53 < evilbetty> and even thats probably a crappy oner
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T19:01:20 < evilbetty> its light until 20.30 woop
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2014-04.log:2014-04-02T19:05:13 < FreezingCold> so yeah the table is a little dented now
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T19:13:58 < gkwhc> might anyone know if there exists those LED tube lamps, in RGB (but color as in whole tube, instead of individual LEDs)?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T19:29:05 < Celerity> getting my haridryer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T19:29:26 < R0b0t1> SpeedEvil: le wow
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T20:59:49 < hoverboard> nigga the computer isn't on the lawnmower
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T20:59:54 < hoverboard> W8
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:00:00 < drazak> haha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:00:38 < _abc_> I would never have guessed that even with the KKK reference
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:00:41 < hoverboard> I pulled the crank, felt no obstruction
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:00:45 < _abc_> okay
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:36:25 < archivist> ME is model engineer thread
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:36:30 < _abc_> ...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:38:02 < madist> now that CDs have been supplanted by thumb drives, there is literally nothing on the front of the computer that I need access to.
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:38:18 < _abc_> excepting for the USB plugs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-02T21:38:22 < madist> if i move the power button to the back of the computer, I have everything I need in one place.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T01:21:55 < smeding> tarcisio: change Kp
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T01:22:36 < smeding> alternatively, look at the output as being multiplied by a value at the end to map it to the right range
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T01:22:47 < smeding> which really has the same effect as changing Kp, Kd and Ki
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:43:27 < FreezingCold> slav3_kitten: oh hard ware it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:43:34 < FreezingCold> how hard was it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:44:10 < FreezingCold> I have a 0.4mm pitch QFP chip in the mail
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:44:14 < slav3_kitten> FreezingCold, you ever pierce your own genitals in a hotel room at a convention with a rocking party going on next door?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:44:15 < FreezingCold> dunno how the hell I'll solder that
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:44:27 < FreezingCold> slav3_kitten: I call that a tuesday
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:44:34 < slav3_kitten> ok, now get drunk
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:44:37 < slav3_kitten> and do it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:44:40 < slav3_kitten> it's about that hard
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:49:38 < LeelooMinai> slav3_kitten: Seriously - that's much more expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:49:39 < jadew> or seeedstudio
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:49:39 < slav3_kitten> unlike the boards i had some place in china make where 8 of 10 were usable but not very usable and it took like a month to get my boards
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:49:47 < FreezingCold> slav3_kitten: can they do 0.4mm though?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:50:05 < slav3_kitten> FreezingCold, go to their site an look up their design rules
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:50:16 < FreezingCold> they said sort of no
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:50:17 < xorm> gold phoenix
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:50:43 < LeelooMinai> slav3_kitten: I ordered tons of boards from iTead - none of them was faulty, as they do 100% e-test anyways: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CF3nBjCDNs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:51:25 < LeelooMinai> Like a little buf:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:51:30 < LeelooMinai> bug*
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:51:42 < JFK911> LeelooMinai: how fast do your boards appear after you emailed the tapeout and paid?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:51:45 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: ever done 0.5mm or 0.4mm with itead?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:51:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: 3-4 weeks
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:02 < LeelooMinai> slav3_kitten: I wait 3-4 weeks, but that's postage usually - they have them ready on 5-7 weeks from my experience
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:05 < jadew> JFK911, about a month, but you can get delivery by DHL & co
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:09 < JFK911> i got 0.5 mm pitch seemingly perfect from oshpark
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:20 < JFK911> do itead just drop it in the post?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T02:52:23 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Yes, I have done 0.5mm many times
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:43 < LeelooMinai> 5-7 days*
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:46 < slav3_kitten> LeelooMinai, osh is sub 2 weeks
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T02:52:46 < xorm> if you order at qty=25, a 2x2in board comes in at 73c a board
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:25:34 < jadew> and development cost is huge on such projects
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:25:53 < JFK911> i guess it shows that you can make money giving it away for free
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:25:56 < LeelooMinai> JFK911: I don't believe it's evil... some people are:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:03 < FreezingCold> Why are six axis industrial robots so damn expensive?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:26:09  * MjrTom is evil >:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:26:12 < jadew> also, if joe nobody complaints he has a crappy bug, it gets fixed, not left in the bug tracker for 10 years till some other tool appears
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:13 < FreezingCold> My college just got some new ones, $30,000USD used
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:15 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: lol...
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:15 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: because slop
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:35 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: making one tight reasonable power non-sloppy joint isn't that hard
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:49 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: *is hard?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:52 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Because they require hard to machine precision parts, that require even more expensive machines to make them...
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:26:52 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: Making 6 in series where all of the slop and loads add - eww
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:26:54 < HTT-Bird> jadew: expensive commercial software is not necessarily any better at that
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:27:06 < FreezingCold> http://www.fanucrobotics.se/en/products/a_industrial-robots/lr_mate_series/lr%20mate%20200id
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:27:11 < FreezingCold> that's the new one
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:27:26 < jadew> HTT-Bird, it usually is
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:27:33 < JFK911> lol i fixed an asterisk bug with 2 lines of code and they kicked it back because of "style"
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:27:34 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, you cannot make them from particle board
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:27:46 < FreezingCold> JFK911: gotta have code swag
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:27:50 < JFK911> so i just said f that and left it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:27:54 < JFK911> someone else eventually committed it
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:28:00 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: but $30,000?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:28:11 < HTT-Bird> jadew: there are plenty of line-of-business etal packages that are *terrible*
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:28:17 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: yes.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:28:27 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: If you think you can make it cheaper, please do.
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:28:28 < HTT-Bird> and don't get me started on the evil side of the custom app dev world
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:28:30 < jadew> HTT-Bird, I'm sure people are making shit software everywhere
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:28:30 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Those are not for gardening - they are for companies making big $
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:28:45 < SpeedEvil> LeelooMinai: and they tend to be relatively small volume
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:28:50 < jadew> it's just that commercial software tends to be better, because worthy programmers are willing to work on it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:29:54 < HTT-Bird> R0b0t1: to some extent ,yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:04 < HTT-Bird> but vertical integration has its downsides, too
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:30:10 < jadew> HTT-Bird, let me quote from FreezingCold's earlier comment "[18:48.02] <FreezingCold> jadew: I'm inexperienced in both, but I'm going to throw it up on github later"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:30:15 < jadew> no offence FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:20 < MjrTom> um, no I think it's more largely about the worthy programmers (rather than worthless ones)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:29 < jadew> this is representative of opensource
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:31 < xorm> EAGLE standard costs 600US
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:38 < HTT-Bird> MjrTom: yeah.  worthy programmers are worthy programmers, irrespective of where they pop up
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:41 < xorm> how the fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:30:44 < FreezingCold> jadew: so?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:30:46 < R0b0t1> HTT-Bird, yes, but I'd prefer it over nonintegrated products... sometimes.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:30:56 < FreezingCold> it's on my own free time and nobody even really needs it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:31:07 < LeelooMinai> imho Eagle is lame choice, no matter how you look at it:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:31:11 < HTT-Bird> R0b0t1: yeah, sometimes.  vertical integration is great when your workflow fits their design notions well
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:31:12 < R0b0t1> jadew: lelno
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:31:20  * R0b0t1 makes angry face at jadew 
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:31:40 < jadew> FreezingCold, no offense dude... didn't mean it as anything, just saying that most opensource projects are started by noobies
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:31:51 < jadew> accomplieshed programmers don't usually work for free
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:32:02 < R0b0t1> How do you know that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:32:07 < jadew> because I know myself
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:10  * R0b0t1 :| faces
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:25 < hjf> R0b0t1: yes, it was the sucky filesystem, because it breaks when it loses power, but NTFS never did
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:35:27 < FreezingCold> okay I'm not going to bash Windows, but NTFS does suck
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:32 < hjf> and i've lost power in NTFS systems
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:35 < R0b0t1> jadew: Typically they sell support or customization.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:35:53 < FreezingCold> ext2 and ext4 have been really good to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:57 < JFK911> seems like i repaired a nimh cell by exercising it with discharge cycles
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:35:57 < FreezingCold> never really used ext3
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:58 < jadew> R0b0t1, what's the opensource alternative? beg for it?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:35:58 < R0b0t1> jadew: If they sell a software license, then they're not a programming firm, they are a firm that sells software licenses.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:36:08 < hjf> i learned the hard way to mount ext3 as data=journal
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:36:44 < R0b0t1> It works quite well, see: redhat, and a myriad of others.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:36:45 < JFK911> FreezingCold: how about that "if we mount it readonly we'll just go replay the fucking journal" ext4 eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:36:49 < hjf> but really, ntfs is a good system. it has compression, encryption. hell it even has snapshots
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:36:50 < jadew> I don't know, I think people have the wrong idea about software development and the ammount of time that gets pourd into various projects
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:02 < jadew> and that's paid time
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:06 < HTT-Bird> jadew: what is their market? for custom software, you want to be roundtable with the customer, because the alternative involves screaming, yelling, hair-pulling, flying paper, and foul language
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:09 < hjf> fat32..eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:16 < JFK911> ntfs seems real reliable
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:37:28 < FreezingCold> btfs is going to be interesting
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:31 < HTT-Bird> and oftentimes, that involves giving your customer a copy of the source code
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:36 < hjf> JFK911: it has been, in my experience
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:37:43 < FreezingCold> *Btrfs
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:37:53 < hjf> FreezingCold: yeah if they ever finish it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:53 < R0b0t1> If I hired someone to program something, and I would not be getting a copy of the source
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:56 < R0b0t1> nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:37:56 < jadew> HTT-Bird, I agree with that but I'm not sure what we're arguing about anymore? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:37:58 < FreezingCold> I think Oracle is going to do a good job to be honest
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:03 < R0b0t1> If I was thinking of*
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:06 < JFK911> hjf: at least ive never made a mistake with it, ive gone through and edited ext3 before
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:38:10 < FreezingCold> Java is a mess, but other than that they do make nice things
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:19 < JFK911> had to put inodes back and crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:24 < R0b0t1> Java is perfectly fine, don't buy into the circlejerk :>
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:38:30 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: not for desktops really
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:33 < HTT-Bird> jadew: you asked what business model you proposed for a programming firm :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:38:36 < FreezingCold> And Google screwed Oracle over on Android
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:38:41 < jadew> HTT-Bird, ah!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:39:14 < HTT-Bird> jadew: as a programming firm, it is your expertise that is valuable, not individual licenses to whatever you create ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:39:17 < jadew> HTT-Bird, well for those who program for the masses, you still need to cover investment and get a proffit for future development and all that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:40:28 < jadew> intentionally!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:40:52 < LeelooMinai> Some programmers are crippled
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:41:06 < FreezingCold> Applets really sucked
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:41:21 < FreezingCold> Java shouldn't be on the web anymore
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:41:21 < jadew> whoever decides what Java does, has some philosophical issues with some ideas
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:41:35 < kurt> Who remembers HotJava?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:41:44 < jadew> is that a chick?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:42:40  * R0b0t1 cackles
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:43:06 < HTT-Bird> R0b0t1: ask the Scala folks about type erasure
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T03:43:26 < FreezingCold> julzmb: oh god yeah lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:43:47 < LeelooMinai> Type erasure was a hard choice done for compatibility reasons
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T03:44:04 < HTT-Bird> yeah.  sadly, it's being a bit of a limiting-choice for next-gen languages on the JVM
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:07:21 < hjf> so i can get the fuck home early
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:08:43 < OoTLink> :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:08:51 < OoTLink> thanks triffid
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:09:48 < FreezingCold> Should I bother reverse engineering this ActiveX .DLL program?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:10:00 < hagbard> Of course.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:10:52 < MjrTom> hjf were you impacted by the earthquake at all?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:11:04 < FreezingCold> My options are: 1. Send commands via RS232 (terminal), 2. Create a socket that wraps around the .DLL, 3. Try to reverse engineer the .DLL
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:11:13 < MjrTom> sorry if youve been asked too much already
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:11:15 < FreezingCold> I'm sort of thinking #1 maybe
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:11:21 < FreezingCold> but #1 seems ugly
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:12:57 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: what's it do?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:14:11 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: sends commands to a industrial six axis articulated robot via RS232
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:14:43 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: ah, so what's the problem with sending commands directly?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:15:19 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: well, I would have to write a function for every single thing like getting current location or power stat
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:15:31 < FreezingCold> where as the library already has that down
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:15:54 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: but you can't use the library, so you have to make your own.. this is why I like to stick with open source
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:16:06 < FreezingCold> >industrial six axis articulated robot
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:16:09 < FreezingCold> >open source
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:16:12 < FreezingCold> really? :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:16:20 < FreezingCold> the two don't really mix there
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:16:43 < Triffid_Hunter> heh, I'm already halfway through massaging smoothie firmware into being able to do that sort of thing :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:17:20 < Triffid_Hunter> just need to get it sorted for arbitrary actuators, it already has abstracted inverse and forward kinematics
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:18:11 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: actually, if I were a robot vendor, I'd give you full source to the API DLL with the robot :)  after all, it's the best documentation possible on 'how do I talk to this bloody thing?'
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:18:36 < FreezingCold> Bird|otherbox: They asked for $1,000 just to give me the proper install file...
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:18:54 < Bird|otherbox> eek, that's a nickel-and-dime job
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:18:55 < FreezingCold> for a program that just talks through RS232
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:19:16 < FreezingCold> and hasn't been updated since 2001
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:20:17 < FreezingCold> I even emailed with my .edu address
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:22:13 < hjf> MjrTom: no, i'm thousands of km away from there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:23:46 < Bird|otherbox> gaaaaaaaaaah...
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:24:00 < Bird|otherbox> what sort of foul fiend invented IMake?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:24:03 < FreezingCold> hjf: random question, do those Delta PLCs use 24V as well?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:24:56 < hjf> FreezingCold: yeah 24V is the standard in automationland
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:25:48 < FreezingCold> hjf: I think I'm going to try and make a handy little 24V USB output relay this summer, don't think I need to bother with 48V anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:25:56 < FreezingCold> I think it was AB that used to use 48V?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:26:16 < cads> hey guys, lemme pitch a device - it's a liquid cooling block for a laptop - you modify your case to include some output ports, and then your computer has in and out ports for cooling fluid.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:26:56 < FreezingCold> cads: too much power draw
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:27:01 < FreezingCold> at that power you buy a desktop
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:27:40 < cads> The other part of the device is light weight external cooling radiator onto the back of the laptop, or as a seperate device
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:27:51 < hjf> FreezingCold: make it ethernet!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:28:44 < cads> FreezingCold: I mean I'd love to know why companies aren't marketing it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:29:01 < FreezingCold> hjf: would you buy it at-cost if I make it ethernet? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:29:02 < cads> at an economical level it might be too much power draw to be a successful product
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:29:08 < cads> but... I still am going to build it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:29:38 < cads> even if I end up also inventing 10kg external battery backpack for the whole rig
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:29:56 < cads> this is just for fun
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:30:33 < cads> Triffid_Hunter: I was thinking that would be a great effect
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:30:39 < hjf> FreezingCold: no i have my own ethernet power strip project on hold
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:30:45 < FreezingCold> hjf: haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:31:01 < FreezingCold> hjf: see the reason why I suggested USB is because I can just plug it into a cheap android
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:31:08 < FreezingCold> control it remotely or whatever I feel like
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:31:14 < FreezingCold> ethernet in MCUs in a pain
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:31:51 < cads> a few discreet tubes protruding from the back of the case curve up to bring curious green fluid into a number of oddly sculptured mesh pods
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:32:34 < cads> those are just stuck onto the case where the user prefers, and are just little passive radiators
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:33:50 < cads> I hate to think what happens to the system if the tubes get snagged, or the whole system endures a fall or other shock - I /know/ this kind of product can leak. Must leak. At some point.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:36:04 < ketas> hm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:36:44 < hjf> FreezingCold: PIC18F67J60!
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:37:04 < hjf> FreezingCold: PIC -> magjack -> DONE.
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:37:29 < ketas> why they call it "magjack"
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:37:33 < cads> another cool think would be to make these arcing, blade/horn-like structures, with small louvred holes at the end, and air intake spiracles at the base, and a squirrel cage fan pushing air through heat exchange coils in the horn.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:37:56 < cads> and mount then on people shoulderblades
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:38:29 < cads> just the cooling part of a wearable computing rig
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:38:41 < FreezingCold> hjf: but PIC :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:38:52 < cads> they'd connect the head exchangers to the main cooling manifold and the main power cell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:39:02 < cads> and do the same for every other component they choose to wear
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:39:09 < ketas> FreezingCold: buy beaglebone
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:39:20 < FreezingCold> ketas: [21:30:37] <FreezingCold> hjf: see the reason why I suggested USB is because I can just plug it into a cheap android
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:39:45 < FreezingCold> by "android" I meant any cheap ARM Ax
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:41:33 < ketas> FreezingCold: well, then you don't need to plug things together
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:41:53 < MjrTom> somebody should produce and ARM codenamed Gil..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:42:16 < MjrTom> (very inside joke)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:43:36 < FreezingCold> wow microchip seems to be the only people who do a low cost ethernet interface
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:44:06 < LeelooMinai> You mean inside uC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:44:15 < LeelooMinai> Or IC
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:44:27 < FreezingCold> er, inside
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:44:55 < Hyratel> cads, do you do costuming?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:45:21 < LeelooMinai> I am planning FPGA/Ethernet project with external IC (Gbit) and the place to go is Micrel apparently
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:45:53 < LeelooMinai> I even ordered samples from them already
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:45:57 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: if you already have an FPGA, you can add ethernet in there
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:46:03 < FreezingCold> get a MII PHY
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:46:20 < LeelooMinai> That what that Micrel IC is
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:47:10 < FreezingCold> oh, I assumed it was a microcontroller
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:47:22 < LeelooMinai> No, it is RGMII PHY IC
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:47:24 < FreezingCold> microchip seems to have a "all in one"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:47:50 < LeelooMinai> Well, they just have 100Mbps probably
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:48:16 < FreezingCold> heck for the fun of it even 1Mbps would be okay lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:48:51 < LeelooMinai> If you don't need bandwidth
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:49:24 < ketas> FreezingCold: so you want ip-io?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:49:38 < FreezingCold> sure
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:49:48 < ketas> i wonder what's cheapest solution for this
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:50:57 < FreezingCold> modbus IP/TCP seems to be popular
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:51:02 < FreezingCold> though UDP sounds like a better idea here?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:51:07 < ohsix> wuh another fort hood shooting
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:51:19 < ss23> They need to ban guns, that would stop all these shootings
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:51:20 < ss23> :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:51:42 < LeelooMinai> People will shoot others anyways - with bow and arrows
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:51:54 < ketas> FreezingCold: depends what you want to do
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:52:05 < FreezingCold> ketas: well you need error checking anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:52:07 < hjf> FreezingCold: no, you want confirmation. tcp is good for this
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:52:20 < FreezingCold> hjf: you're (hopefully) going to write your own error checking as well
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:52:25 < FreezingCold> tcp is just checking again
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:52:38 < hjf> no, thats not the spirit of PLCland
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:52:40 < ketas> tcp is good enough
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:52:54 < hjf> in plcland you don't write protocols or anything like that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:54:39 < ketas> MjrTom: you child!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:54:56 < ketas> lego mindstorm is for inner or outer child
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:55:11 < FreezingCold> hjf: tbh I haven't dealt with actually putting PLCs into service, just learning and designing them; how many relays do you think would be a nice number for a ethernet relay?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:55:19 < FreezingCold> 8, 32, 64?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:56:51 < MjrTom> are you talking solid state relays?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:57:20 < hjf> FreezingCold: 8? if you go with 8-bit PICs it's a good number :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:57:25 < hjf> but annyway. 11PM
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:57:29 < hjf> ima see if i can go to sleep
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:57:40 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: that or MOSFETs
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:57:48 < FreezingCold> probably MOSFETs
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:57:57 < ketas> FreezingCold: you could try my software :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:57:58 < FreezingCold> you're usually driving another relay anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:58:06 < FreezingCold> ketas: orly?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:58:20 < ketas> i have no hw however
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T04:59:31 < cads> Hyratel: I do 3d design and prototyping
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T04:59:55 < ketas> FreezingCold: yes, test that :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:00:03 < FreezingCold> ketas: linky links
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:00:16 < cads> Hyratel: only what our 3d printer can print, and so far no working protypes, only shape review prototypes
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:00:40 < Hyratel> ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:00:43 < cads> which we do pretty well, though our printer is only a rostock
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:01:52 < cads> the rostock max - we chose it because it had the lowest total cost per print volume of any printer we reviewed
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:02:36 < cads> Hyratel: what kind of water tube do you mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:02:44 < ketas> FreezingCold: http://ketas.si.pri.ee/bbb-poe-daemon/
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:02:51 < ketas> FreezingCold: it would be hard to use i guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:02:58 < Hyratel> like a tube going from a backpack to a mask
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:03 < FreezingCold> ketas: perl? :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:12  * FreezingCold shakes his head
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:03:16 < cads> Hyratel: the working fluid is just for cosmetics?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:03:18 < Hyratel> you'd have to have an air return though, or use an alcohol bubbler
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:03:21 < Hyratel> yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:30 < ketas> FreezingCold: don't shake head publicly
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:39 < ketas> FreezingCold: why not perl?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:48 < ketas> FreezingCold: that's only thing i can write :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:03:51 < FreezingCold> meh, I'd use python over perl :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:04:22 < cads> Hyratel: so viewers would see one very large gauge tube that apparently is bringing nothing but bubbling water into their mask
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:04:40 < cads> I'm sure you could do it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:04:50 < cads> the air doesn't have to be returned
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:07:09 < Hyratel> make sense, cads ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:07:45 < cads> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:08:14 < cads> you could have it keyed to your breathing via a mic
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:08:26 < ketas> FreezingCold: python has horrible syntax!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:09:02 < cads> lol, it bubbles each time you speak, but your voice is blasted vocoded from speakers in you pack
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:09:29 < Hyratel> yes!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:10:02 < Hyratel> well if you have a gas mask, you could have a small barosensor
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:10:11 < Hyratel> on Pdrop, activate bubbler
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:10:54 < ketas> FreezingCold: http://ketas.si.pri.ee/poe-daemon-eventmap-clients-alarm-latch3.txt
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:10:59 < ketas> FreezingCold: some debug from server
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:11:01 < JFK911> is someone building an arduinobong or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:11:17 < ketas> bongoino?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:11:18 < FreezingCold> ketas: neat neat
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:12:06 < Hyratel> JFK911, hahaha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:13:23 < Hyratel> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:13:35 < Hyratel> this would be for a dustpunk costume though
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T05:13:45 < ketas> FreezingCold: i should try to connect some real hw to it too... and try :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T05:14:00 < Hyratel> sensor inside a gas mask to detect inhale and force air through the water
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:52:06 < jadew> otherwise, it usually sucks
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:52:28 < ketas> implants where?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:52:43 < LeelooMinai> In the brain - to increase thinking power
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:52:50 < FreezingCold> Gah, I can't seem to figure out how to manually create a path
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:52:50 < FreezingCold> http://www.uoguelph.ca/~habdulla/courses/ENGG6/RobotManuals/RAPL-3%20Language%20Refernce%20Guide.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:53:00 < jadew> LeelooMinai, I thought they remove something and put something else in
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:53:05 < FreezingCold> I want to be able to work in the 3D plane
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:53:15 < jadew> FreezingCold, 3d is not a plane
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:53:20 < FreezingCold> er *space
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:53:32 < LeelooMinai> 3d plane sounds wrong:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:53:40 < LeelooMinai> I thought of a plane model
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:55:10 < ketas> ohsix: i read that jesus is indefinitely multiplied
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:55:13 < ketas> :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T06:55:36 < FreezingCold> yeah I want to go to a cartesian location basically
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:55:48 < upgrdman> LeelooMinai: were you the person in here that has a logitech gaming keyboard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:55:49 < azonenberg> davidc__: my other big problem with make is that its timestamp based
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T06:55:52 < azonenberg> not hash based
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:05:27 < _Norm_> yes, it is
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:05:46 < OoTLink> i actually haven't seen it so I can't comment
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:05:56 < OoTLink> link?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:18:19 < OoTLink> technically, there is that .
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:19:12 < qarmala> OoTLink: <OoTLink> q I think you want the output to be 0 for the cases where it's 0
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:19:18 < qarmala> So I should leave it blank?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:19:22 < qarmala> fundamental product
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:46:17 < Hyratel> I'm done
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:46:23 < Hyratel> I'm tired. I'm fucking done
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:46:44 < kakabura> hello everybody
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T10:46:44 < jacekowski> http://www.vishay.com/solid-state-relays/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:07:37 < XMPPwocky> smd also has better thermal characteristics, if that matters
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:07:47 < electrostatic> it's sexy watching smd's self align
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:07:58 < LeelooMinai> Or tombstone:p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:08:18 < davor> to reflow them, I can just use a tube of solder paste and an oven?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:11:03 < LeelooMinai> davor: Well, learning to reflow is a good investment in any ways, if you plan do make pcbs in the future
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:11:13 < _abc_> kludge: this is what rohs is supposed to make healthy! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595966/Think-television-recycled-rid-This-likely-end-dumping-grounds-one-dubbed-worlds-biggest-e-waste-site.html
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:11:39 < retrosenator> if you ahve a toaster oven you need to have a proper temp control
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:11:56 < davor> I do indeed LeelooMinai. ah, indeed retrosenator
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:11:58 < _abc_> retrosenator: Or a good eye and a fast hand
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:12:10 < retrosenator> _abc_: I used microsocpe
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:12:40 < davor> couple of more questions if you don't mind. how much LEDs per do I use, what method do I use to connect the boards together, how do I power it all, how do I limit the current (one massive resistor, one per board, one per LED...)?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:12:42 < _abc_> retrosenator: yeah. that
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:12:48 < FreezingCold> I'm pulling my hair out here
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:12:49 < retrosenator> too many failed connections/burned boards
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:12:50 < FreezingCold> I can't set this location and move to it
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:12:54 < FreezingCold> test> set myvar = cloc{-1, -1, -1, -1, -1, -1, 0, 0}
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:12:54 < LeelooMinai> davor: At start you don't even need controller - just DMM with thermocouple and do it by eye
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:12:56 < FreezingCold> test> move myvar
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:12:58 < FreezingCold> ash: type mismatch.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:13:00 < FreezingCold> WHY IS IT NOT MATCHING?!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:13:24 < _abc_> retrosenator: If you get to know the oven it will stop being so bad. Adding thermal mass helps a lot (stone tile in oven)
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:13:41 < retrosenator> _abc_: yes a good idea
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:14:01 < _abc_> Just get a DRY tile or stone. It can explode if it has humidity in it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:14:10 < retrosenator> I suppose with enough practice.. but I think initially you need at least a timer and digital temperature readout
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:14:15 < davor> for temp regulation of the toaster oven LeelooMinai ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:14:29 < FreezingCold> anyone know?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:14:32 < retrosenator> but having actual regulation could be nice as well
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:14:37 < FreezingCold> it's apperently a language like basic
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:14:44 < retrosenator> FreezingCold: I don't even know what language that is
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:14:51 < FreezingCold> retrosenator: it's a made up one
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:14:55 < FreezingCold> RAPL-3
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:14:57 < LeelooMinai> Also, put the pcb on something that does not have good thermal conductivity - I Just use two pieces of ceramic tile on the sides of the pcb so it "floats" this way.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:15:03 < FreezingCold> I heard it's based off basic
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:15:23 < retrosenator> FreezingCold: all languages are made up
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:15:55 < retrosenator> and get a toaster that heats on top and bottom if you are doing 2 layer boards
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:26:26 < davor> how much LEDs do I use? I think I may still use through-hole LEDs and just make the PCBs myself or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:26:43 < retrosenator> just use dc/dc convverters then
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:27:59 < FreezingCold> newtest> set invert = cloc{0, 0, 0, 30, 0, 180, 0, 0, 0}
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:29:02 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you playing with some hdl toy?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:29:21 < electrostatic> I just had an idea.  I could sell vegetable juice made from juiced fresh greens and call it "soylent people"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:29:33 < FreezingCold> JFK911: for some reason that tries to create an empty variable called invert AND a cloc variable =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:29:39 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I want to make a variable with the cloc type
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:29:54 < JFK911> hee hee
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:30:14 < JFK911> it looks familiar but im not exactly sure what you are up to
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:30:23 < FreezingCold> it's RAPL3, I was working on it yesterday
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:30:25 < FreezingCold> gahhhhhhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:30:29 < FreezingCold> it's pissing me off
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:30:37 < _abc_> Ask in ##vhdl
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:30:42 < JFK911> oh robot controller?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:30:44 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:30:49 < retrosenator> yes ask in #rapl3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:30:50 < _abc_> Also are you not using reserved names for variables...?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:01 < _abc_> There is a #rapl3 channel?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:31:03 < FreezingCold> lol no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:15 < _abc_> Hey, it exists whenever you look eh
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:31:19 < FreezingCold> the manufacturer told me to fuck off
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:31:25 < FreezingCold> _abc_: cause I joined a second ago I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:40 < JFK911> theres a manual for this on the internet
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:41 < _abc_> The manufacturer ANSWERED you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:43 < _abc_> Nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:31:54 < FreezingCold> _abc_: yes, they asked for $1,000. That was one reply out of 10 emails
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:31:56 < JFK911> and yeah the licensing clause at the head of the manual implies that they will be assholes
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:31:57 < FreezingCold> literally 10
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:32:02 < JFK911> did you find the manual?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:32:08 < _abc_> FreezingCold: $1k for what? The manual?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:32:27 < FreezingCold> _abc_: for an "updated" software version from 2005, even though it's the exact same as the one from 2001
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:33:05 < FreezingCold> They got bought out by Thermo so support no longer exists =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:33:08 < FreezingCold> gahhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:33:24 < FreezingCold> _abc_: does it look like VHDL to you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:33:42 < _abc_> No, but I am not a vhdl expert
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:33:43 < JFK911> it kind of looked like a test vector to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:33:49 < JFK911> but not really, you know
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:34:16 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:34:21 < FreezingCold> it's creating two variables instead of one
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:34:23 < FreezingCold> I don't get why
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:34:32 < FreezingCold> set invert = cloc{0, 0, 0, 30, 0, 180, 0, 0, 0}
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:35:47 < JFK911> FreezingCold: the manual shows c like programs
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:36:17 < FreezingCold> WAIT
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:36:20 < FreezingCold> I MAY HAVE GOTTEN IT
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:36:23 < electrostatic> YAY
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:37:23 < FreezingCold> the application shell manual seems to explain it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:37:34 < electrostatic> nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:37:40 < FreezingCold> you have to create the variable with a different command
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:37:44 < FreezingCold> with new
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:37:49  * FreezingCold shakes his fist
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:38:30 < electrostatic> new invert?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:38:57 < FreezingCold> so yeah like 'new fuckyou', 'set fuckyou somethinghere'
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:38:58 < FreezingCold> or
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:39:01 < FreezingCold> here fuckyou
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:39:04 < JFK911> yea the programs show declarations first
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:39:06 < FreezingCold> to get the current location
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:39:37 < FreezingCold> OMG OMG OMG
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:39:39 < FreezingCold> working
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:39:44  * FreezingCold does a little dance
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:39:50 < electrostatic> *claps*
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:08 < FreezingCold> newtest> print type
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:08 < FreezingCold>   = cloc[0,1,(17.5195,-0.000610922,14.2131,0.00000,89.9963,10.0003,0.00000,0.00000)]
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:10 < FreezingCold> the helll
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:19 < FreezingCold> that's a bitch to read
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:33 < FreezingCold> 17.5195,-0.000610922,14.2131,0.00000,89.9963,10.0003
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:40:38 < FreezingCold> that seems to be the first 6 axis
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:43:21 < _abc_> And two more unused?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:43:27 < _abc_> The thing supports 8 axes?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:44:11 < FreezingCold> you've got to be fucking kidding me
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:44:14 < FreezingCold> the terminal runs out of space
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:44:19 < FreezingCold> I can't set a variable manually
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:45:15 < FreezingCold> newtest> set location1 = cloc[0,1,(15,0, 15, 0, 90, 10, 0, 0)]
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:45:15 < FreezingCold> ash: missing ']'
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:45:34 < JFK911> ash eh?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:45:45 < FreezingCold> application shell
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:45:49 < _abc_> Do you have an editor which supports color highlighting that weird language FreezingCold ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:45:50 < FreezingCold> it's all very fucking stupid
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:46:15 < JFK911> FreezingCold: the copyright notice says parts of this were stolen from berkeley, sun etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:46:19 < _abc_> The manual is indeed online somewhere, I found traces of it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:46:26 < FreezingCold> JFK911: sounds about right
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:46:31 < JFK911> http://phoenix.goucher.edu/~jillz/cs325_robotics/RAPL-3LanguageReferenceGuide.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:46:34 < JFK911> heres part of the manual
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:46:56 < FreezingCold> yeah I'm reading that
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:46:58 < _abc_> Is there anything very good about rapl3 which makes people use it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:46:58 < JFK911> maybe jillz also put the rest of the books up here
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:00 < FreezingCold> it's still very difficult
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:03 < FreezingCold> _abc_: nobody uses it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:47:05 < _abc_> And does it indeed support 8 axes?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:47:10 < JFK911> this looks like a dead product
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:14 < FreezingCold> it's not used at all
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:16 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it is
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:47:24 < _abc_> It's so dead it does not even have a Wikipedia page
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:47:33 < JFK911> lol $1000 for my legacy!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:47:49 < _abc_> Ask in 10 years and it will be $10k! For an antique manual!
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:50 < FreezingCold> JFK911: and *maybe* support
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:47:57 < FreezingCold> IF they feel like replying
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:12 < FreezingCold> my only goal here is to be able to set a location through this shitty terminal
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:16 < FreezingCold> then I can plug it all into python
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:48:17 < JFK911> yeha probably the one person left who worked on it forgot everything\
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:48:21 < _abc_> If it was a mature product in 2001 then the developers may have retired years ago.
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:48:29 < _abc_> JFK911: Due to Alzheimer
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:29 < FreezingCold> ^ dead
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:34 < FreezingCold> Alzheimer would be nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:37 < FreezingCold> but most likely dead
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:48:40 < FreezingCold> :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:48:50 < _abc_> No, but just moved on
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:04 < JFK911> most of the stuff i worked on during the 90s is dead
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:12 < JFK911> but lately i made a lot of money off sco stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:49:21 < FreezingCold> SCO?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:27 < JFK911> old unix that ran on pc's
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:33 < _abc_> Coherent?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:49:34 < FreezingCold> ugh
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:35 < _abc_> Xenix?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:42 < JFK911> coherent was fake unix made by a jew
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:49:42 < FreezingCold> so I have the "here" command working
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:49:48 < FreezingCold> just not "set"
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:55 < JFK911> sco is what you could buy after AT&T stopped selling unix
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:49:59 < JFK911> and computers that ran them
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:50:11 < JFK911> if you didnt want dirty hippie unix from berkeley
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:52:32 < JFK911> his son was aaron swartz
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:52:56 < JFK911> funny daddy copied and sold and profited
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:53:08 < JFK911> kid wanted to copy, give for free, look what happened to him
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:46 < FreezingCold> "You cannot move to the resulting cloc. You can only use it to modify a
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:47 < FreezingCold> coordinate system or a location, such as specifying a base offset, a tool
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:47 < FreezingCold> transform, a world shift (wshift), or a tool shift (tshift)"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:50 < FreezingCold> what the fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:55 < FreezingCold> I can't manually set locations
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:53:58 < electrostatic> AIX's were huge for engineering
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:53:59 < FreezingCold> go fuck yourself
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:54:40 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: a base work offset is a G54
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:54:45 < JFK911> electrostatic: yeah i saw a couple of them but they were rare
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:54:53 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: are you talking about g-code?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:54:56 < FreezingCold> cause I'm not :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:54:59 < electrostatic> JFK911: We used them exclusively for V4 catia
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:55:14 < FreezingCold> We're talking about RAPL3, a stolen language
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:55:16 < electrostatic> For a while Boeing was sellingused ones by the pallet
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:55:17 < JFK911> electrostatic: oh cool, real work
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:55:20 < FreezingCold> *a poorly stolen language
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:55:50 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: The message you got, using it to set a base offset
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:07 < electrostatic> It's a cnc controller, right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:56:09 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: right, I want to move to it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:15 < JFK911> electrostatic: if i recall properly the POWER workstations had nice graphics and hardware to support a tablet input
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:56:20 < FreezingCold> no, Cartesian robot
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:36 < electrostatic> it's a robot
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:42 < electrostatic> that moves using numbers
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:48 < electrostatic> correct?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:56:53 < JFK911> sounds like LOGO to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:56:57 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:03 < electrostatic> Ya, that's cnc
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:06 < Scott0_1> the turtle
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:18 < electrostatic> What it's telling you is it doe snot move the robot, it moves your work axis system
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:39 < electrostatic> that command is for dealing with coordinate systems
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:44 < electrostatic> and the like
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:57:47 < electrostatic> I think
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:58:28 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: "You cannot move to the resulting cloc."
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:58:35 < FreezingCold> that means I can't move to somewhere I set
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:58:53 < FreezingCold> I have to manually move there, save the location, then I can set it to the current place
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:58:54 < electrostatic> If I am readign it correctly it is not used to move
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:59:18 < electrostatic> YOu wold set it somewehre, and then make it active, and move to 0,0,0,0,0,0
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:59:39 < FreezingCold> simtest> move location2
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:59:39 < FreezingCold> ash: Location has not been taught
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:59:41 < electrostatic> I can;'t garuntee that is it exactly, as I am goign off a single output message I saw
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:59:50 < FreezingCold> I need to "teach" it...
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T22:59:50 < FreezingCold> BS
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T22:59:53 < JFK911> how come there are six coordinates?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:00:05 < electrostatic> XYZIJK
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:00:19 < electrostatic> or XYZABC
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:00:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the tool has three axis too
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:00:47 < JFK911> oic
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:00:49 < FreezingCold> and it's a six axis machine right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:00:51 < FreezingCold> so it makes sense :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:01:09 < electrostatic> OK, so, I wish I had the manual, I could help you more
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:01:34 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: http://phoenix.goucher.edu/~jillz/cs325_robotics/RAPL-3LanguageReferenceGuide.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:02:02 < FreezingCold> http://www.eecs.yorku.ca/course_archive/2009-10/W/4421/doc/a255/ApplicationShellASH.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:02:08 < FreezingCold> the second one is probably more useful
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:03:56 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: page 24, second manual
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:04:07 < electrostatic> "base base offset, re-define the world coordinate system"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:04:18 < FreezingCold> and?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:04:25 < FreezingCold> not seeing the connection here
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:04:27 < FreezingCold> I'm trying to move it
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:04:31 < FreezingCold> not change the base offset
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:04:36 < FreezingCold> the base offset is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:04:39 < electrostatic> cloc was saying it's used to define that.  You don't use it to move, you use it to move the axis
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:05:03 < electrostatic> Like, if it was not fine, that's when you'd use clocl, i think
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:05:32 < FreezingCold> clocl?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:05:49 < electrostatic> sry, typo, just cloc
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:06:02 < electrostatic> cartesian location
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:06:51 < FreezingCold> so I created a location at 0,0,0,0,0,0 and want to move to it, watch this
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:07:00 < FreezingCold> simtest> print location3
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:07:00 < FreezingCold>   = cloc[0,0,(0.00000,0.00000,0.00000,0.00000,0.00000,0.00000,0.00000,0.00000)]
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:07:00 < FreezingCold> simtest> move location3
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:07:00 < FreezingCold> ash: Location has not been taught
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:07:49 < electrostatic> location3 is an axis system, not a location.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:19 < FreezingCold> but look at this
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:27 < FreezingCold> simtest> print location1
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:28 < FreezingCold>   = cloc[0,1,(3.93631,9.99948,35.7953,0.00216031,-0.00150349,0.000334819,0.00000,0.00000)]
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:31 < FreezingCold> I can move to that perfectly fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:35 < FreezingCold> it looks the exact same to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:08:37 < electrostatic> hmm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:08:48 < FreezingCold> it's doing something behind the scenes without letting me control it
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:11:42 < electrostatic> does "print here" work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:11:50 < electrostatic> "here store current coordinates into location variable"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:11:56 < FreezingCold> simtest> print here
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:11:56 < FreezingCold> variable not found
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:12:07 < electrostatic> ok, so you have to init a loc variable and set it to here
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:12:23 < electrostatic> Im on page 32 of the second pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:12:23 < FreezingCold> oh fuck somebody set this machine in imperial
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:12:48 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/AFiO
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:13:50 < Scott0_1> USA USA!!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:14:07 < Scott0_1> :P
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:14:28 < electrostatic> you could try "list" to see if loc1 and loc3 are the same type
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:14:29 < FreezingCold> the melting plastic beside me smells like bacon in the vacuum
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:14:56 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: see that's what's throwing me off, they are. They're all "taught" too, even though location3 isn't taught
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:02 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: you sure its not melting bacon?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:14 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/dMAV
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: any photos of this thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:15:18 < electrostatic> what do you mean "taught"
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:15:19 < electrostatic> ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:15:30 < electrostatic> Is that an attribut that comes up for them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:39 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: http://sprunge.us/dMAV
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:47 < FreezingCold> "taught" means that the robot can move to there
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:15:58 < FreezingCold> if I set a location with "here location3", THEN I can move back to it later
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:16:10 < FreezingCold> the problem is I first have to manually (or brute force it) move to that location
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:16:12 < FreezingCold> so it's very ugky
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:16:51 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Apr 02 11:46:28 <FreezingCold>	not my pitch but http://pics.equipnet.com/mp_data/images/largepic/Nov/2013115104915_373124_1.JPG
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:17:02 < electrostatic> that is retarded
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:17:18 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: andddd now you understand why I'm working so hard to be able to fix all this in python
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:17:29 < electrostatic> It knows ehre it is and where you are talling it to go but can go there unless it's been there allready?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:17:39 < FreezingCold> as soon as I figure out a gucky method to set a location, I can say goodbye to the terminal
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:17:42 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:17:44 < FreezingCold> you've got it
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:17:49 < FreezingCold> I need to find a way of getting around that
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:18:02 < electrostatic> Somebody who worked on that neds to be gifted a hlemet
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:18:37 < FreezingCold> I *can* set each axis by itself, but the problem is that I will have to calculate the root myself too because I may go out of the machine's reach while trying to get to the end location (within reach)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:18:45 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Can it go to places in between where it was before?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:18:53 < electrostatic> Oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:18:53 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:09 < FreezingCold> _abc_: It only saves the final location, it doesn't let you pick the path
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:16 < _abc_> Ouch!
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: oh shit this looks like fun
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:21 < electrostatic> "Locations do not all have to be taught. For example, for a pallet (rows x columns
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:21 < electrostatic> of locations) you could teach three corner locations, or for a microplate carousel
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:21 < electrostatic> you could teach the top and bottom locations, and calculate the intermediate
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:21 < electrostatic> locations. These calculated locations can be used in motion commands like any
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:19:21 < electrostatic> other location variabl"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you can make money with this NOW by filming pornography with it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:50 < FreezingCold> JFK911: wait, would it be holding the camera, or would it be having sex?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:57 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: what page?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:19:59 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Sounds like you should be able to calculate and set a coord set and it should move
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:20:10 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Is there no command for move? Imperative?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:20:12 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it would be doing stuff to the girl or donkey or whatever
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:20:18 < electrostatic> PDF 1 page 150
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:20:21 < FreezingCold> _abc_: yes, move locationvar
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:20:21 < davor> would this work for developing pcbs? http://www.ebay.com/itm/400644974188
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:20:58 < FreezingCold> _abc_: BUT, if I manually set the locationvar, it refuses to move there
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:21:00 < JFK911> davor: i think it shines on too small an area even if it is the correct light
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:21:00 < davor> says "Wavelength of the highest peak: 365 nm"
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:21:06 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: one second
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:21:09 < _abc_> JFK911: I suspect you need to call a function or such?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:21:29 < _abc_> movenow(coords)
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:21:31 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: actually, I can't do it today, but tomorrow I could give you direct access to the machine if you wanted...
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:21:43 < FreezingCold> _abc_: you can't move by cords
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:21:49 < FreezingCold> it has to be by variables
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:21:50 < electrostatic> Maybe, we'll see. I have to get back to work myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:22:00 < davor> it uses four bulbs, I'd assume it evenly lights up the entire surface area which seems enough for the kinds of PCBs I'll be making JFK911
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:22:21 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: I am wondering from that page, though, if you only have to "teach" it the travel limits
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:22:40 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: exactly what my mind was drifting to, but it doesn't seem to explain it very well
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:22:45 < FreezingCold> it doesn't show how to drift between
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:06 < _abc_> FreezingCold: I see commands: MA move to absolute angles and more
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:23:10 < _abc_> check that?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:21 < FreezingCold> simtest> MA
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:22 < FreezingCold> ash: MA: not found
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:22 < FreezingCold> simtest> ma
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:22 < FreezingCold> ash: ma: not found
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:23:25 < electrostatic> move absoulte would help
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:23:27 < _abc_> hm
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:23:36 < _abc_> move angle I think
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:37 < FreezingCold> _abc_: some of the RAPL3 stuff isn't in the application shell
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:49 < FreezingCold> simtest> help move
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:49 < FreezingCold> move <loc_name>
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:49 < FreezingCold>   Moves the tool tip to a specified location in joint
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:23:49 < FreezingCold> interpolated mode.
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:23:56 < _abc_> Oh wonderful. Sounds like Cisco ios. I am grabbing the barf bag.
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:07 < FreezingCold> _abc_: save room for mine
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:13 < FreezingCold> it might overflow...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:24:26 < _abc_> Is there no imperative shell?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:36 < FreezingCold> okay so there's a shell
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:24:39 < _abc_> Maybe they made sure the bots would last longer by not supplying such
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:43 < FreezingCold> and then there's an application shell
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:50 < FreezingCold> and then there's compiled programs
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:24:59 < FreezingCold> I'm in the application shell
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:25:04 < _abc_> simtest is which shell?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:25:11 < _abc_> I assume application shell is limited?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:25:25 < FreezingCold> simtest is the name of a application shell I created
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:25:30 < _abc_> Ah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:25:46 < FreezingCold> so I can move things around manually with tz, ty, tx, etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:25:55 < _abc_> aha
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:26:30 < FreezingCold> but god that's going to get complex fast
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:26:44 < _abc_> hm?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:27:38 < FreezingCold> there's another problem too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:27:48 < _abc_> The burning plastic smell?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:27:52 < FreezingCold> I can't move more than one axis at a time with tx, ty, tz
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:07 < FreezingCold> I can only move multiple axis with 'move'
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:28:08 < electrostatic> are tx, ty, and tz incremental or absolute?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:24 < FreezingCold> incremental
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:36 < FreezingCold> tx <distance>
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:36 < FreezingCold> ty <distance>
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:36 < FreezingCold> tz <distance>
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:36 < FreezingCold>   In the tool frame of reference, jogs the tool center point along the
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:36 < FreezingCold> X, Y or Z axis by a specified amount in joint interpolated mode.
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:28:52 < electrostatic> is there a way to make it go to home?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:55 < FreezingCold> there's also w* which is for world frame
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:28:58 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: calrdy
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:29:02 < FreezingCold> moves it straight up
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:29:06 < FreezingCold> or ready for pointing a gun :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:29:24 < electrostatic> so, if you make it go to home, and then ues tx, ty, and tz to "teach" it the corners...
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:29:51 < electrostatic> If it really can figure out intermediate points between them, it maky work
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:30:13 < FreezingCold> I haven't seen how to move to an intermediate point yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:30:39 < electrostatic> from what it said on 150 it makes me wonder if its automatic
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:30:55 < electrostatic> like, if its inside the bounding of taught locations
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:31:00 < electrostatic> but that may be wrong
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:32:49 < FreezingCold> it is automatic
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:33:01 < FreezingCold> I can move from one location to another, but I never set the path (which is good I guess)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:33:08 < FreezingCold> the problem I have is defining a location
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:33:18 < FreezingCold> I first have to manually jog the robot into place to define a location
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:33:20 < FreezingCold> that's BS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:33:57 < davor> is 365 nm peak wavelength good enough for making pcbs?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:35:15 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: But on page 150 it said you do not need to teach all locations, and made it sound like you only have to teach the bounding locations
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:35:34 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Which, if true, would make sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:35:40 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: that makes sense I know. I just don't see mention it again
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:35:43 < electrostatic> as it would enfore travel limit
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:36:07 < FreezingCold> the word intermediate never shows again
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:36:15 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: type cloc already enforces travel limits
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:36:40 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: I mean to a wrkspace
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:37:07 < electrostatic> you would not want the robot to be able to move anywhere within it's reach for day to day usage
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:37:17 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:37:31 < electrostatic> you would want it to stay in an area where limbs and flesh arenn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:38:00 < electrostatic> Now, I do not know, but that might be a safetly feature
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:38:18 < electrostatic> having to "teach" it it's bounds, and then trying a move command out of there errors out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:38:29 < electrostatic> I can't say for sure, though
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:39:06 < FreezingCold> I feel like I may be losing track here, why would bounds matter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:39:17 < FreezingCold> I can't even move to a location by myself lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:40:11 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/bMWQ
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:40:43 < qdb> hello . what if laptop screen is black and d-sub output is black , there is f4 or fn+f4 to switch display but it do not bring image to d-sub external monitor. there is also hdmi output but i do not have cable for it. it worked with own display, some image was with errors , i wanted to fix it , and have ordered a cable for it . after i installed new cable it does not work , but also it did...
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:40:45 < qdb> ...not work with old cable after i opened and then set back its upper cover.  may be i disconnected something? or touched white tape which said should not be touched? but i have read about it , it is a lamp under it, as i know, so i think there would be some dark image . but there is no image. hp dv 6700
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:42:18 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Imagine you had a pallet that you wanted the robot to do all it's work above.  If you "taught" it the corners during setup, it should be able to move to any location in that bounding box, wheter taught or not.  I thnk.  Maybe
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:42:31 < FreezingCold> right
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:42:41 < FreezingCold> so pretend I got all the corners
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:42:49 < FreezingCold> how would I move between?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:42:57 < FreezingCold> there doesn't seem to be a command for "move halfway"
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:43:07 < electrostatic> You would tell it to move to a location that is not taught
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:43:17 < electrostatic> like your loc3 that was erroring out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:44:55 < electrostatic> even though it's within the travel limits
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:45:08 < electrostatic> I donot know if that is true, thoguh
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:45:17 < FreezingCold> let me try and switch the thing into metric first
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2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:46:04 < FreezingCold> restarting...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:47:56 < sie21> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:48:02 < sie21> any any 1 help me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:50:09 < sie21> im a electronics engineer my self but i have a problem
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:50:23 < kludge> Is it about girls?
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:50:26 < FreezingCold> fucking door slamming
2014-04.log:2014-04-03T23:50:32 < FreezingCold> was that really needed old prof?
2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:50:34 < sie21> no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-03T23:50:50 < kludge> Well, that's a change, at least.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:01:44 < davor> what do those photo developer solutions consist of?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:01:52 < FreezingCold> Is there any decent 6-axis simulator tools?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:02:21 < davor> because I saw a positive spray that says it is to be developed using an NaOH solution
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:02:26 < electrostatic> http://www.cgtech.com/products/robots/
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:02:34 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Pricey, though
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:02:38 < electrostatic> but its the best
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:03:01 < electrostatic> We use it to simulate the manufacture of aerospace parts
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:03:35 < davidc__> FreezingCold: you could probably use any of the rigid-body physics libs
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:03:41 < davidc__> FreezingCold: not ready-to-go-though
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:03:50 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: what kind of interface does it have?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:03:50 < electrostatic> it would be hard teaching it that back asswords control language, though, but not impossible
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:04:02 < Scott0_1> use python and blender!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:04:04 < Scott0_1> :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:04:04 < FreezingCold> davidc__: I may do that
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:04:16 < FreezingCold> Scott0_1: blender has been attempted and failed at CNC/CAM
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:04:22 < Scott0_1> really?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:04:34 < Scott0_1> I would hjave thought it would be perfect for it
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:04:35 < sie21> hi i still cant find that im looking for
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:04:44 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: You mean for building, or programming, or running?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:04:51 < FreezingCold> Scott0_1: heh I'm always told Blender falls short
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:05:01 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: more like path programming/simulation
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:05:06 < FreezingCold> so not really running
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:05:19 < FreezingCold> I would have to import my old building model I guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:05:24 < FreezingCold> /s/old/own
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:05:38 < Scott0_1> it might be better suited for just modelling, but not the simulation part
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:06:07 < FreezingCold> I wonder if brlcad can simulate rigid bodies
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:06:11 < Scott0_1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfti13XvF8c
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:06:12 < sie21> can any 1 help me
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:06:24 < Scott0_1> sie21: you need 1 help?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:06:27 < Scott0_1> exactly 1?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:06:40 < FreezingCold> Sorry, I gave my last 1 away
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:06:57 < sie21> am u electronics engineer
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:07:33 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: I don't know.  We usually have it just run on a numeric input file.  I know it has subroutines, but I havenot done a lot of work on that end
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:07:47 < sie21> scott?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:09:34 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: What exactly do you need it for?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:10:19 < sie21> freez you talking to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:10:39 < FreezingCold> does it look like I am?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:10:45 < FreezingCold> sie21: how about now
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:10:51 < Scott0_1> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:10:56 < Mezo40> Hi everybody :) ,
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:11:30 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: We design tooling and program CNC machines to make parts for aerospace. We work for different factories across the country, so we have simulations of their machines to make sure the parts will cut correctly.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:11:32 < bcsllc-steve> http://www.wired.com/2014/04/nasa-guidebook/?mbid=social_fb
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:11:51 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: ahhh, so you just don't have access to the physical machines
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:12:04 < electrostatic> yup
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:12:13 < electrostatic> and yet we are not allowed to mess up
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:12:26 < Mezo40> I am still a beginner in electronics , so , can someone gives me a good document on transistor amplifiers and its physcal laws ? , thanks a lot in advance :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:12:49 < Mezo40> *physical
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:13:05 < sie21> scott are you an electronics engineer
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:13:19 < FreezingCold> sie21: no
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:13:53 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: weird question, do you even use 6 axis machines to CNC parts?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:14:04 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: http://www.blendercam.blogspot.co.uk/p/blender-cam-description.html
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:14:08 < Scott0_1> that looks neat
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:14:08 < CESSMASTER> Mezo40: this is pretty good http://lib.freescienceengineering.org/view.php?id=211042
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:14:36 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Generally, no.  We use 5 axis when we need to cut all possible angles.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:14:51 < electrostatic> But the simulator can def. handle 6 axes
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:14:52 < FreezingCold> wow, still 5 is more than I'd think
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:15:01 < FreezingCold> what's an example of a machine you use?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:15:26 < Scott0_1> sie21: no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:16:04 < sie21> im builing an inverter but im stuck on the protection circuits
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:16:19 < sie21> can any 1 help
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:16:20 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: http://www.mtdcnc.com/printpages/machine.asp?id=2340
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:16:42 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: oh so it looks like a CNC machine that I'd expect
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:16:44 < workbench> lcd mobo has 680uF @ 25v.... I have 680uF @ 16v.... when board is plugged in it's like 12v @ the cap.... ok to ghetto tihs out and  put 2 cap after the other to get a theoretical 32v?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:16:53 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: is this like what you are looking for? http://cncsimulator.info/
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:16:54 < FreezingCold> for a second I thought you were using cartesian robots
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:17:01 < FreezingCold> Scott0_1: dat .info
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:17:03 < workbench> or doesn't work that way?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:17:19 < FreezingCold> Scott0_1: yeah think so
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:17:32 < Scott0_1> the videos seem to show what you were talking about
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:18:36 < Scott0_1> how can this be free
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:18:47 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Oh, we call that a gantry
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:18:54 < sie21> can any 1 help
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:19:21 < sie21> im a motor drives engineer
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:19:49 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: We use this for light composites https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsMYQMkjcb4
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:19:51 < FreezingCold> YOU'RE an engineer?!
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:19:54 < FreezingCold> oh god save us
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:20:45 < linux_probe> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:20:45 < workbench> anyone on the answer for my question?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:21:04 < Scott0_1> workbench: thought I told you to get in the garage?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:04 < linux_probe> if you put them in series the voltage will be 32v, but the capacitance will be 1/2
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:11 < sie21> i put my message on here
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:23:14 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: I am workign on a master mold right now.  It's the tools these are cutting.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKLEv5NeSRk
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:17 < linux_probe> also, you'd need bleeder resistors to balance them
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:22 < electrostatic> (That type)
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:27 < workbench> oh ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:42 < workbench> so in this case I'll take a gable and use  a 16v in place of the 25v
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:47 < workbench> since it was showing 12v anyway:P
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:55 < sie21> im building an inverter but im stuvk on the moniter circuits
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:23:58 < FreezingCold> now that's neat
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:58 < workbench> which is probably what the lcd monitor actually takes
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:23:59 < sie21> stuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:24:07 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: mold for plastic/
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:24:08 < FreezingCold> ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:24:30 < linux_probe> a good design rule is to use caps with 2x the voltage rating the circuit runs at
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:24:31 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Nah, it's a hand layup mold for aircraft interiors
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:25:02 < davor> can I transfer designs to pcbs using a stencil and spraypaint?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:29:59 < davor> wavelength seems fine, peak 365 nm
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:00 < Scott0_1> sie21: your first language is english?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:02 < davor> should be okay, right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:07 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: how accurate does aerospace stuff need to be? is 10 um consider accurate there?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:17 < sie21> yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:18 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: It's a meaningless question.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:19 < GPF_1>  sie21: so you are trying to monitor the motor?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:22 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Well, prepare to be gobsmacked.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:25  * Scott0_1 walks away slowly..
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:26 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:27 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: Sometimes 1000km, sometimes 1nm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:28 < sie21> no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:31 < davor> lol Scott0_1
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:31 < electrostatic> We still use inches.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:39 < sie21> thats what i do for a gob
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:30:40 < FreezingCold> well yeah americans
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:42 < sie21> job
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:30:52 < sie21> this is my own time
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:07 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: USA USA!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:31:13 < Scott0_1> w00t!
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:17 < FreezingCold> -.-
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:21 < FreezingCold> gtfo with your silly units
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:31:24 < GPF_1>  Sie21: please explain one more time what it is you need?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:30 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: what the heck would need to be 1nm in aerospace?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:31:41 < GPF_1> ha
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:47 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: we keep them around only to make everyone else still use them :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:31:48 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: certain mirrors.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:32:01 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: you will always have to deal with them
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:32:12 < Scott0_1> FreezingCold: FREEDOM!
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:32:22 < FreezingCold> Scott0_1: I hope the history books say "and the USA invaded Iraq to force them to switch back to imperial"
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:32:28 < electrostatic> And for interiors its +/- .03", for "normal" dimensions on structural parts it's +/- .003"-.005". for "tight" locations it's +/- .001", and for some crictal hole diameters it can get a stight as .0005"
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:32:33 < FreezingCold> that would be a better reason than the real one :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:32:39 < Scott0_1> probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:00 < sie21> im builging an inverter but im stuck on the moniter circuits
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:33:00 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: oh wow so as large as half a millimeters
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:14 < electrostatic> That is for interior panels only
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:20 < SpeedEvil> sie21: what do you mean by 'monitor circuits'.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:20 < electrostatic> You really do not care
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:33:27 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: actually I was pretty close when I said 10 um :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:27 < SpeedEvil> sie21: And what size of inverter.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:33:47 < FreezingCold> .0005" = 12.7 um
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:33:59 < electrostatic> But in geral answer, the times youen you have to stay more acurate than 10um are very few and far between
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:34:10 < electrostatic> yup
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:34:18 < sie21> its a 12v inverter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:05 < GPF_1> sie21: that's a lot of work..
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:41:09 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: I got it
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:12 < GPF_1> are you really up to that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:13  * drac_boy will do the math later but for now has a generic capicator symbol on the geda schematic
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:14 < sie21> thats fine
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:41 < GPF_1> first off, do you have an existing transformer to work with?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:41:44 < SpeedEvil> sie21: you're not giving very good answers that would enable us to help you meaningfully. Having to beat the exact problem out of you isn't helping. What is the wattage. What is the topology of the inverter. What is the problem you are having designing the monitoring circuitry.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:41:49 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: cloc's don't work because they're in a nonnative format (millimeters), but ploc works because it's based off the encoder
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:42:08 < sie21> well it is late
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:42:15 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:42:16 < FreezingCold> NO
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:42:19 < FreezingCold> i can't move still
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:42:32 < electrostatic> =(
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:42:33 < sie21> yes thats my problem
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:42:47 < electrostatic> SOme error message?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:42:51 < electrostatic> *same
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:43:14 < FreezingCold> yeahhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:43:18 < FreezingCold> For a second I got excited
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:43:41 < GPF_1> sie21: how much of this have you gotten done?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:43:46 < drac_boy> speedevil btw I know its something to do with voltage regulators for some reason but why do they put resistors on the circuit in that area there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:43:46 < FreezingCold> maybe I'll post a job on elance and see if I can get someone to write a simple simulator for me
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:43:50 < Hyratel1> fehhh. I need to get some APC UPS USB cables or just some USB-B plugs
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:43:56 < sie21> just the invert part
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:44:14 < sie21> and its up and working
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:44:41 < sabotender> moo
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:44:49 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: Have you tried teaching it the corners yet?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:45:06 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: I can, but I honestly don't see what I'd do next
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:45:25 < FreezingCold> it refuses go to anything that isn't a preset location
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:45:32 < GPF_1> sie21: so what do you need then?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:46:01 < sie21> the moniter circuit
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:46:05 < electrostatic> But from page 150 it makes me wonder
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:46:36 < GPF_1> sie21: are you talking about the commercial power monitor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:46:49 < electrostatic> After you teach it a bounds you should be able to move to locs inside without getting the error.  I hope
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:47:30 < sie21> no its just to protect the driver chip
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:47:32 < FreezingCold> but it also says straight out in another part of the manual that it will never move to a set cloc
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:47:42 < FreezingCold> conflicting information there :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:47:57 < sie21> and if it sees a fault it shuts down
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:48:45 < GPF_1> sie21: what kind of fault would you expect to see?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:03 < GPF_1> over current?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:49:08 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: You said incrental worked, right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:09 < GPF_1> over voltage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:11 < GPF_1> etc.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:15 < electrostatic> *incremental
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:28 < drac_boy> speedevil well this is just one example http://modeltrainadvisors.com/wp-content/uploads/npn-reg.jpg theres like a lot of regulator circuits that are only 1-2 caps and other circuits like that one which also involves resistors
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:49:35 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: I have a joint [axis] [angle/mm] command
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:49:39 < FreezingCold> works great
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:49:43 < electrostatic> but that you can not move smoothly, because it only can do one axis at a time
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:49:58 < FreezingCold> and it does acceleration smoothing too
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:50:00 < FreezingCold> which is bad
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:50:32 < SpeedEvil> drac_boy: the resistor is to bias the zener so that it conducts and has a voltage of about 9V.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:50:35 < electrostatic> try teaching the corners and see if you can move to an arbitray untaught loc inside the bounds.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:50:45 < electrostatic> it may not work, but no harm in trying
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:50:47 < SpeedEvil> drac_boy: the emitter of the resistor will then be ~.6Vlower
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:50:57 < electrostatic> At leas that's my 2 cents
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:51:14 < FreezingCold> electrostatic: thanks, I'll try that tomorrow
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:51:20 < FreezingCold> I'm leaving the lab in a few minutes
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:51:30 < electrostatic> k, I need to get back to work anyway
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:54:04 < sie21> ?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:55:09 < FreezingCold> LOL
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:55:13 < FreezingCold> a student just asked me for keys
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T00:55:24 < FreezingCold> hahaha the dress shirt
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T00:55:39 < sie21> help
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T01:08:16 < Callmea> smeding : I thank you :), i become crazy. it worked on my breadboaard, not when i soldering :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T01:08:22 < sie21> o sorry
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T01:08:24 < sie21> yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:26:20 < parco> +- what voltage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:26:38 < teus> chips are 4.5-16V
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:26:43 < teus> symmetrical
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:26:54 < teus> cant i just use an LM7810 and LM7805 and call it a day
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:27:23 < Hyratel1> teus, what is this for, audio?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:27:25  * FreezingCold calls the day
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:27:27 < FreezingCold> it's over
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:27:29 < FreezingCold> go home
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:27:41 < teus> yes, audio
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:27:53 < Hyratel1> is this for the amplifier, or something else?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:28:20 < parco> doesn't look like either of those output a negative rail
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:55:53 < davor> oh hey that's a good idea!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:55:54 < OoTLink> old macdonald had an ARM. gpio oh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:57:16 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:57:17 < GargantuaSauce> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforce_In-Order_Execution_of_I/O
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:57:22 < GargantuaSauce> old IBM had a renderfarm, EIEIO
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:57:22 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: just wow
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T02:57:27 < FreezingCold> you guys
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:58:13 < OoTLink> ahahhaha
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:58:35 < OoTLink> with a flac flac here and a flac flac there
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T02:59:09 < davor> is this a child-safe channel'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T03:01:55 < zeiris_> Or do the same with the USART if it's free!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T03:03:31 < SpeedEvil> Bed of nails
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T03:03:57 < FreezingCold> davor: haha no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:10:07 < ohsix> the human senses dynamic range is amazing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:10:48 < qdb> Casper: it is written dv6000 on display but dv6700 on bottom
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:11:02 < FreezingCold> heh so I'm using the xc PIC compiler now
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:11:05 < FreezingCold> it's okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:11:07 < ohsix> 1khz is right in the middle of the sensitivity for human voices and junk too
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:11:11 < Casper> yeah....
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:11:26 < Casper> but it's not a dv6000 nor a dv6700
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:13:43 < Casper> your laptop is in the easy to open category
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:14:57 < ohsix> thanks to military standardization you can get a LOOOOOOOONG list of explosive compounds
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:15:07 < ohsix> a lot of stuff lbows up.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:15:13 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:15:50 < ohsix> this assistdocs thing isn't as cool as i thought though
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:17:34 < LeelooMinai> Hmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:17:45 < ohsix> hrm, the military was in the tobacco production junk in the 60s
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:32:32 < upgrdman> sure
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:32:44 < JCM83> It came RootB I haven't but you could use serial read with it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:32:47 < FreezingCold> RootB: Please don't use Arduino
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:32:52 < FreezingCold> We need that in the subject line
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:32:57 < JCM83> FreezingCold, why not?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:09 < upgrdman> RootB: the balanduino guys did that iirc.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:10 < JCM83> What should we use instead?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:15 < upgrdman> google baladuino
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:20 < upgrdman> google balanduino
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:33:21 < FreezingCold> JCM83: ARM or hell even PIC
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:37 < R0b0t1> get a chinese kid and give him some meth, have him flip switches really fast
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:33:37 < FreezingCold> really C isn't that hard...
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:33:46 < nylar> lol arduino isn't all that bad, it's well documented and has a lot of open projects to help beginners
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:00 < jpa-> JCM83: nothing wrong with using arduino
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:11 < jpa-> you'll move on eventually when you hit the limits
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:35 < nylar> those $3 china arduinos are handy
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:36 < RootB> yeah I know
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:38 < LeelooMinai> imho there's plenty of wrong with it:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:34:38 < FreezingCold> nylar: I don't recommend it, but my first microcontroller class was writing asm lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:42 < jpa-> R0b0t1: everything has limits, no way to escape from that :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:34:42 < FreezingCold> thank you LeelooMinai
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:42 < RootB> But my damn PS3 controller
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:46 < RootB> is not connecting to my usb host shield
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:48 < RootB> I dont know why
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:48 < nylar> asm is obvously >
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:34:53 < JCM83> whoa they got $3 china arduinos? Where at nylar?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:35:02 < FreezingCold> JCM83: there's $0.60 ARM chips
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:35:13 < FreezingCold> a $3 ARM is a powerhouse
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:14 < LeelooMinai> There's good chance that swelling in Arduino will teach one horrile practices
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:19 < LeelooMinai> dwelling*
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:35:20 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:21 < nylar> hang on lemmie get you the link
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:21 < JCM83> freezingcold I saw a guy here using those! Super-cheap programmable chips, hooked into a breadboard!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:28 < RootB> i can't figure out why the controller doesnt get detected
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:34 < RootB> im plugging it with a USB cable
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:36 < nylar> i bought 2 of em, showed up in under 2 weeks china to california
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:38 < JCM83> How do you program them, though? The arduino has the USB  port.
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:35:39 < FreezingCold> JCM83: you can get ARM chips in DIP packages too
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:44 < electrostatic> asduino swelling sounds like a bad virus
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:35:48 < FreezingCold> JCM83: straight through serial. Hold on, let me link you
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:49 < electrostatic> *arduino
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:54 < upgrdman> RootB: theres your problem. iirc, usb is strictly for charging them
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:35:55 < JCM83> kickass
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:00 < upgrdman> you need bluetooth
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:36:04 < FreezingCold> JCM83: http://learn.adafruit.com/getting-started-with-the-lpc810/introduction
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:36:08 < FreezingCold> just a random chip there
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:16 < nylar> www.ebay.com/itm/271251071444
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:20 < RootB> FUCK
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:36:22 < FreezingCold> I think NXP offers a 28 pin DIP as well
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:23 < RootB> YOU'RE SERIOUS, upgrdman?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:36:31 < FreezingCold> so if you need tons of IO you're covered as well
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:36:37 < FreezingCold> I need to stop saying as well
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:38 < nylar> assembled aside from soldering the headers, which they give you a few pins extra of lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:43 < upgrdman> RootB: well, again, i havnt done it. but the balanduino guys used a bt dongle.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:36:59 < upgrdman> see their youtube video
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:37:11 < FreezingCold> RootB: I know this isn't a solution at all, but I personally like the 360 controller a lot more, it's got great native support
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:37:39 < RootB> fuck
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:37:42 < nylar> you program it through the header pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:37:51 < RootB> so upgrdman
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:38:10 < RootB> are you kidding me
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:38:15 < RootB> i have like 4 hours trying to get it working thru USB.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:38:35 < upgrdman> google it. i may be wrong, but the only fuckers i've seen use a ps3 controller with a mcu used a bt usb dongle
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:38:40 < FreezingCold> JCM83: you program it through serial
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:38:49 < ohsix> your words are just like, words, man
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:39:02 < FreezingCold> ohsix: your lag is lag
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:39:23 < nylar> usb to ttl cable will take care of your programming needs for the $3 china arduino, it costs more than the arduino though haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:39:52 < FreezingCold> I got one for $0.99 free shipping to Canada
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:40:11 < FreezingCold> I ended up buying another because I was an idiot and plugged -+15 into it
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:40:12 < nylar> nice i haven't been able to find one that cheap :\
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:40:21 < nylar> lol oops too much v+ rail
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:40:35 < JCM83> oh cool.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:40:44 < nylar> been there, i like to install fuses in weird places on my test rigs now
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:40:59 < nylar> well not for that purpose exactly but yea
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:41:00 < FreezingCold> I thought the serial out of my dev board was plan TTl
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:41:01 < JCM83> FreezingCold you killed the plug by giving it too much volts?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:41:03 < FreezingCold> *TTL
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:41:04 < JCM83> Like it actually melted the wires?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:41:12 < upgrdman> RootB: hmm. i might be wrong.   http://gameimps.com/ps3-controller-linux-usb-290         in any case, i only ever see them used with mcu's via bt dongles
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:41:14 < FreezingCold> nothing melted, but I wasn't going to try using it after
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:41:21 < FreezingCold> nylar: http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=usb+serial&LH_BIN=1&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xusb+rs232&_nkw=usb+rs232&_sacat=0
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:41:33 < nylar> ooh sweet
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:41:38 < nylar> $1 make me holla
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:41:41 < JCM83> why, what did you think would happen?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:42:23 < FreezingCold> probably burnt some stuff out
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:42:30 < FreezingCold> anyway, wasn't worth guessing for $0.99USD
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:42:37 < FreezingCold> said fuck it and bought another
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:42:41 < JCM83> True
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:42:49 < nylar> "Sorry, this item cannot be shipped to United States." bah! lemmie re-search from ebay.com
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:43:21 < JCM83> Yeah I guess it has a lot of stuff in there, I thought it was just four wires going straight up the USB cable but I see it's got logic.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:43:50 < FreezingCold> yeah it's usually a cloned pl2303
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:44:13 < JCM83> So do you program an ARM chip with one of these on a breadboard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:44:40 < JCM83> So your 99c ARM chip + breadboard + USB to TTL = a $28 arduino?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:45:13 < FreezingCold> uh, I wouldn't spent that much on a breadboard
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:45:21 < FreezingCold> more like $5 arduino
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:45:35 < FreezingCold> $1 chip, $1 serial, $3 breadboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:45:39 < JCM83> nice.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:45:46 < xorm> what are we calling a breadboard here
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:45:55 < FreezingCold> xorm: a breadboard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:02 < xorm> perfboard? solderless breadboard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:06 < JCM83> a solderless breadboard
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:46:08 < FreezingCold> https://www.google.ca/search?q=breadboard&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=F0c-U5_HDMjQsQTG5oGwDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&biw=1916&bih=990
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:08 < mrdata> a dry piece of bread?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:20 < xorm> i didn't know they made ARM chips in DIP
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:46:32 < FreezingCold> xorm: there's quite a few
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:34 < nylar> i can verify that these work fine http://www.ebay.com/itm/141120120801
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:41 < nylar> and arrive for ~$3
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:46:44 < upgrdman> wow. sweet breadboard    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Dolby_SR_breadboard.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:04 < xorm> what
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:11 < xorm> Arduino is AVR.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:13 < ohsix> buns
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:18 < FreezingCold> xorm: I know.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:22 < JCM83> nylar that's what I've got!
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:31 < FreezingCold> I'm suggesting we ditch Arduino and AVR altogether
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:35 < ohsix> an 'arduino' is the bootloader an the runtime library
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:47:40 < JCM83> xorm what's the difference?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:42 < nylar> it's fine for some things FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:44 < FreezingCold> fuck their libraries
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:49 < FreezingCold> bloated crap
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:47:54 < FreezingCold> waste of parts
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:03 < xorm> i'm the child that comes in at the middle of the movie and has no idea what's going on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:15 < JCM83> definitely
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:16 < nylar> they're not the most efficient pieces but they are easy to implement
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:20 < xorm> i'm enamored with the STM32s after reading through the family datasheets
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:48:33 < FreezingCold> xorm: god I need to learn my STM32 more
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:33 < xorm> 100MHz, peripherals out the wazoo
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:34 < upgrdman> the f4 is a beast, and the f0 is cheap
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:40 < Mr_Sheesh> AVRs are pretty decent
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:46 < nylar> 100mhz ouch my la can't read that shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:48:47 < upgrdman> i like the f0 for most projects
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:48:48 < FreezingCold> xorm: all the example programs seem so complex
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:49:01 < nylar> would have to upgrade heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:49:17 < nylar> $13 chinese la :$
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:49:42 < upgrdman> or $60 for a 32ch 200MHz la
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:49:43 < xorm> get a better ana,yzer
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:50:01 < LeelooMinai> Because uC is 100MHz, does not mean you need 100MHz LA...
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:50:16 < FreezingCold> you can clock it at 1 Hz if you want
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:50:18 < FreezingCold> have fun with that
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:50:21 < LeelooMinai> What are you probe the die:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:50:27 < LeelooMinai> are you going to*
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:50:35 < upgrdman> ya. pull an azon ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:02 < xorm> wow it would be crazy to do some HDI die-attach shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:09 < xorm> system on a module
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:51:10 < FreezingCold> anyway brb, trying to rename my Linux user
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:20 < R0b0t1> "trying"
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T08:51:29 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: well, we'll see if I fuck everything up
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:31 < qdb> Casper: it is needed only to open keyboard to connect wifi cables , and wifi&ram cover...
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:43 < xorm> i want to do something crazy with rigid-flex circuitry
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:45 < xorm> some EE origami
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:51:46 < nylar> $60 for a 32ch 200mhz? which?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:54:13 < qdb> Casper: the wide small black and gray cables - ribbons ? they are like their metal disconnected , and i should replace them
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T08:54:14 < upgrdman> open workbench logic sniffer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T09:13:26 < ohsix> buns pirate
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T09:15:15 < FreezingCold> yay I didnt mess my system up
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T09:16:39 < FreezingCold> oh how I love linux <3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T09:17:17 < ohsix> "the only reason to visit florida is to identify your daughters dead body"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T09:24:35 < nylar> so ofc i was like, what seems to be the problem with the unit? /smirk
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T09:25:20 < FreezingCold> miami seems like a decent place for business
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T10:54:39 < bobo1on1> madisk: you also need a minimum capacitance, because a usb host can put a small voltage wave on the power rail to detect if there is a device present
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T10:55:01 < madisk> i thought it does that by the 1.5k pullup on D+
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T10:55:12 < FreezingCold> I need MOAR WORKSPACE
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T10:55:13 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/ReNGSLT.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T10:55:27 < bobo1on1> madisk: not if the host is in standby
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:05 < JFK911> evilbetty: i am reporting audio pebbles to the government
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:08 < evilbetty> i find it phoolery too, but if buying a $600 mains cable makes people happy why not
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:11 < Triffid_Hunter> JyZyXEL: see http://sound.westhost.com/project89.htm for something you could use basically as-is, just wind the transformer a bit differently
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:14 < nylar> we already proposed it in #gardening, idfk why
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:27 < nylar> it will be in LA
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T12:41:34 < JyZyXEL> Triffid_Hunter: oh wow that is really complicated for resistive heating lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T13:31:09 < porfa> (i need half potency)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T13:31:25 < porfa> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T13:32:28 < porfa> even if i run it as 6v, since the charger is 12v ... it will still wasted the 12v right? that's ok.. i just need it to go slower at times :3
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T13:32:36 < nylar> erm sounds like my drunk logic suggests a zener diode
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T13:32:39 < porfa> waste*
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:26:35 < Master^busy> if that car would fly iI would buy it :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:35:18 < Master^busy> not in water... in oil it should work I think =D
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:35:24 < Master^busy> lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:41:29 < FreezingCold> [07:37:26] <FreezingCold> So for calculating PWM prescalers, is there a proper math formula to follow?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:43:25 < rkreis> FreezingCold: more details, maybe? what is a "PWM prescaler"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:43:40 < FreezingCold> rkreis: ever worked with PWM on PIC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:43:54 < rkreis> no, only on AVR and MSP430
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:44:44 < theBear> hmm... it'd be handy if irc clients had a fake |grep thing for checking banlists and similar
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:44:47 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean, yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:44:54 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: huh?
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:44:59 < FreezingCold> yes to what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:06 < theBear> yes to life
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:07 < R0b0t1> pwm prescaler math
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:14 < madisk> yes to drugs
2014-04.log:2014-04-04T14:45:19 < FreezingCold> that wasn't really a yes or no question :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:21 < madisk> or was it no to drugs. I always get confused
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:22 < theBear> hehe great minds
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T14:45:22 < R0b0t1> drugs kill
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:15 < R0b0t1> theBear: But it wasn't broken when it came out of the factory!
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:17 < theBear> nah, it's been a bit more humid than avg recently, but seems that better fridge/coil coupling is exchanged for natural frost-resistance when the coil is in there, this coil is basically an ice-block-generator the way it is, basically "open" in the freezer compartment
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:20 < R0b0t1> "It compiles. Ship it!"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:37 < vetch> _abc_: true. I read recently something about sales of beer rocketing when placed near diapers. seems when husband is sent to get one he comes back with both.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:52 < _abc_> Yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T15:55:58 < _abc_> And he might forget one. Not the beer.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:30:18  * kludge nods.  Seems fair.
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:30:34 < SpeedEvil> I was more meaning a triac based solution.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:31:11 < SpeedEvil> http://newscenter.ti.com/2013-11-04-Floating-switch-architecture-from-TI-transforms-offline-LED-drive-design
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:31:14 < SpeedEvil> Well - not triacs
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:31:21 < Kevin`> I wouldn't want to make it myself, power supplies get fiddly at high power levels. but it wouldn't need to be fancy.. it's for working, not video recording or w/e
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:43:27 < markusdbx> Do you see any prolmen with setting up a ccfl lcd on a motion sensor IR relay? The application requires the screen to turn on for 5minuties when someone walks infront of it.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:48:52 < R0b0t1> markusdbx: No?
2014-04.log-2014-04-04T22:48:56 < R0b0t1> What would the issue be?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T00:41:02 < ShadowJK> whoever, there are laptops that can be charged with usb
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T00:41:10 < ShadowJK> I do not think there will be any conversion kits :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:37:27 < the_file> damn #chenmistry is idling
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:37:33 < JFK911> alesan: it says install setup 4.0, then install update 4.1, then install base
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:37:47 < JFK911> alesan: you should be able to login with admin/admin
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:38:06 < alesan> so
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:38:11 < alesan> I installed the first
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:38:20 < alesan> I try to start it but admin/admin does not work
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:38:28 < alesan> should I install the update before even trying?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:38:35 < FreezingCold> fuckkkk
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:38:37 < FreezingCold> worst day =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:38:41 < FreezingCold> still haven't gotten my stm32f4 working properly, and I just got a sex call that I can't make
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:38:47 < DanDare> FreezingCold, its too cold ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:39:13 < upgrdman> the greek "Y" is lamba, right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:39:14 < JFK911> alesan: i dont know how 'base' gets installed after the update but that's the directions
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:39:28 < JFK911> no greek Y is upsilon
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:03 < the_file> the Y your looking at is probably a psi
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:40:13 < FreezingCold> DanDare: If I sneak out of the house, I'm worried my parents will kick me out -.-
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:17 < JFK911> psi doesnt really look like y
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:23 < upgrdman> the left most letter of   http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/2/a/42a1182c6704aef7926f4fc9b0d94600.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:29 < DanDare> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:40:37 < FreezingCold> they got pissed that I came home hammered last week really late lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:39 < the_file> the 2 look similar
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:40:44 < DanDare> FreezingCold, tell your father you just got a sex call
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:52 < DanDare> he will understand that, perhaps
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:40:59 < JFK911> upgrdman: is that a lowercase gamma
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:06 < FreezingCold> DanDare: No oh, I'm supposed to be a virgin until I blindly marry someone lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:11 < FreezingCold> that ship is long gone
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:41:12 < DanDare> fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:25 < FreezingCold> heh I'd have to pay for a taxi
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:31 < FreezingCold> I dunno how far she lives from me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:41:36 < upgrdman> ohh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:45 < FreezingCold> I have enough to get there probably, but I'd have to borrow money from her to get back
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:41:56 < DanDare> FreezingCold, so you need a really good excuse now to have the chance again, other time
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:42:12 < DanDare> well, it depends on the girl type .... anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:42:13 < FreezingCold> DanDare: I think I'm going to play the "oh you're drunk and I'm not" card
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:42:20 < DanDare> hahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:42:31 < JFK911> FreezingCold: wat
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:42:43 < FreezingCold> what's confusing you JFK911?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:42:56 < JFK911> tell her to come to your basement
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:43:12 < FreezingCold> oh god
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:43:19 < MjrTom> apparently the letter h is rather confusing
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:43:24 < FreezingCold> I would be paranoid the whole time
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:43:34 < FreezingCold> I have a dog that barks at everything too...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:43:41 < JFK911> so let him watch
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:43:51 < MjrTom> tell her ot come to your window and wait by the light of the moon
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:44:01 < DanDare> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:44:22 < FreezingCold> why can't people give me a sex call at 1pm on a Tuesday?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:44:24 < FreezingCold> I can make those
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:44:40  * JFK911 wonders what kind of person would do that then
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:44:44 < FreezingCold> me
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:45:08 < madist> sex huh
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:45:12 < FreezingCold> my morning class ends at 1pm on tuesday, so I'd even be in the right end of town
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:45:49 < alesan> JFK911, what are the directions? I am looking in the "Documentacia" folder the only english PDF
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:46:21 < JCM83> alesan "documentation"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:46:43 < JFK911> alesan: the "Порядок установки" (directions installation) in the torrent description on the tracker
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:46:47 < JCM83> Pay for a taxi?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:46:58 < FreezingCold> JCM83: the buses don't run at night here
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:47:06 < JCM83> Dang what is it with mega hackers and not having cars
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:47:22 < JFK911> if he was a real hacker hed have free zipcar
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:47:23 < FreezingCold> JCM83: being 19 or 17 and in college? Living with parents does that too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:47:58 < JFK911> but you can take their car sometimes cant you
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:48:24 < FreezingCold> I can, but they get pissed if I'm out late
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:48:29 < JFK911> oh ofc
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:48:42 < JFK911> you should explain to them you think you may like boys
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:48:52 < FreezingCold> anyway, I just feel like ranting because I'm not getting laid right now
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:48:53 < JFK911> introduce them to some colleague of yours too who will play along
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:05 < alesan> if my kid had the need for a car to go and have sex, I'd request a picture of the target first to make sure he's not wasting time
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:08 < JFK911> they might lighten up and encourage you to spend time with women, if they are really that old fashioned
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:18 < alesan> and then give him a nice car
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:49:35 < FreezingCold> alesan: I don't know how to say this without it coming out wrong, will you be my daddy?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:43 < JFK911> lolz
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:55 < JFK911> im so glad i dont have a daughter
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:49:58 < alesan> I don't know, I should see a pic of the target first
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:50:09 < upgrdman> FreezingCold is a guy or girl?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:50:19 < FreezingCold> she's probably a 6/10, I'm a pretty fair ranker I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:50:30 < alesan> I also do not have a daughter, two boys for now
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:50:40 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: ...guy. If I was a chick, I could text anyone at 1pm on a Tuesday to get laid
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:50:49 < upgrdman> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:51:08 < FreezingCold> oh good she's not replying to me yet, I hope she passed out drunk
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:51:10 < JFK911> i can get laid during a midweek afternoon if my kid is asleep
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:51:11 < alesan> If I *were* a chick... isn't it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:51:30 < JCM83> "Hey gurl I hope you passed out drunk and didn't realize I didn't show up for a booty call"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:51:36 < upgrdman> there's a girl in my os class that i honestly thought was a guy
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:51:39 < FreezingCold> alesan: not sure.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:52:09 < FreezingCold> JCM83: "So you were screaming so loud last night, I thought the police were going to come, but you did first ;) "
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:52:18 < alesan> JFK911, I am looking but cannot find such file
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:53:06 < JCM83> It is in fact not true that a female can text *anyone* at *any time* and get laid.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:53:33 < JFK911> is there a file S_N (serial number?)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:53:38 < MjrTom> kinda depends on how you parse that
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:53:44 < FreezingCold> JCM83: yeah that is true. I know one girl who asked me three times and I said no...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:53:44 < alesan> JFK911, yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:53:56 < JFK911> alesan: ok im looking in the 'replies' on this thread
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:54:49 < alesan> firefox can;t establish a connection to the server etc etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:54:52 < JFK911> durr it may be ddos'd again
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:54:57 < JFK911> it will reappear in a few minutes
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:55:11 < FreezingCold> JCM83: first was because I wanted to bone her friend, once because she wanted to do it on top of a roof and the last time because she wanted to do it in the back of a van with  a gay dude watching
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:55:26 < JFK911> FreezingCold: oooh good you have a gay dude available
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:55:27 < alesan> do I need to install the ""BB gate" thing? I have no idea what is
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:55:38 < JFK911> alesan: i am not sure
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:55:42 < FreezingCold> I have nothing wrong with gay people, but yeah I'm not going to put out a show
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:55:44 < alesan> well
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:55:52 < JFK911> FreezingCold: why not?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:01 < alesan> I would have really enjoyed the one on the roof
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:56:06 < FreezingCold> alesan: public mall roof
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:09 < JCM83> Yeah I think I would have done the latter two.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:15 < JCM83> Definitely on a public mall roof.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:20 < alesan> surely not the gay one
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:41  * sabotender hugs JFK911 
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:56:53 < JCM83> The gay dude is just approaching it naturalistically and is curious, and she wants an excuse to bone.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:56:56 < FreezingCold> JCM83: security came by right after she took her shirt off lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:06 < JCM83> be like "security what do you expect me to do here"
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:57:15 < FreezingCold> fuck she replied
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:57:16 < FreezingCold> FUCK OFF
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:24 < JFK911> wow shes polite
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:32 < JCM83> but see this is a not attractive female
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:36 < JFK911> you are going to have to hit that one to prevent misbehavior
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:57:37 < FreezingCold> this one is
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:41 < sabotender> lordy this conversation
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:57:46 < JCM83> when you say a female can get laid at any moment you are assuming an attractive female
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:59:13 < sabotender> vetch: untrue
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:59:19 < JFK911> hi sabotender https://github.com/tmk/tmk_keyboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:59:36 < JCM83> jfk911 she had $3000 to post bail with
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T06:59:43 < FreezingCold> JCM83: well look. Let's say I'm a 6/10 and she's a 6/10. It's much easier for her to text me, while I'd probably have to go down to a 4/10 for it to be a sure thing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:59:45 < sabotender> you can easily go from usb to ps2 with just wire routing but not the other way around
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T06:59:47 < Oscillate> ever been to the South Plains Mall
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:00:05 < JCM83> 3/10
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:00:29 < alesan> FreezingCold, nah... lowly rated girls are normally very shy and won't accept strangers
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:00:34 < JCM83> yeah there is a multiplier corresponding to the male libido which is setting the value for male sex which is then multiplied by attractiveness
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:00:44 < alesan> you have not studies systems theory, have you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:01:09 < FreezingCold> I've studied the fact I'm not bring 9/10's home
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:01:20 < FreezingCold> and at the moment, I can't bring anything home...
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:01:26 < FreezingCold> gah
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:01:27 < alesan> JFK911, I remved everything and now I am going to try to reinstall
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:01:31 < JFK911> goodluck alesan
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:01:34 < FreezingCold> this is so frustrating
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:01:41 < JCM83> alesan let us describe likelihood of a lady accepting a booty call as a function of attractiveness.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:02:00 < JFK911> FreezingCold: if you want to get hot chicks do some prison time
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:02:02 < alesan> JCM83, well if I were able to, I'd be selling it on the Internet
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:02:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: or just lie about having been to prison
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:02:09 < FreezingCold> JFK911: can I fake prison time?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:02:17 < alesan> the thing is - this is a highly non-linear system
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:02:34 < FreezingCold> yeah I'm a decent liar
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:02:36 < alesan> it's not as "I'm a 6/10 so I can get any 4/10"
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:02:51 < FreezingCold> I prefer truth stretching to be honest
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:03:02 < FreezingCold> makes it easier
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:03:16 < JFK911> why do you see super attractive women with lowlife ugly douchebags then
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:03:30 < FreezingCold> daddy issues
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:03:42 < push[EAX]> You should stop being selfish and just remove your genes from the gene pool
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:03:43 < sabotender> JFK911: mmm. that schematic is sexy simple
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:03:45 < alesan> JFK911, is the website down for you too?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:04:00 < JFK911> alesan: yeah its not returning anything.  about 10 minutes ago it was fine.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:04:07 < alesan> damn
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:04:14 < alesan> do you have any kind of copy of the instructions?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:04:40 < FreezingCold> do you mean PS2 as in the keyboard interface or PS2 as in the controller?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:04:44 < JFK911> i'll paste whats on my screen into pm
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:04:50 < alesan> OJ
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:20 < JFK911> oj still looking for the real killer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:41 < sabotender> now I just need to get a female ps2 port and then I could put it all together. I would probably use something like protoboard as I do not yet have my cnc router to make a proper pcb
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:48 < JCM83> how do they increase wattage while maintaining voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:49 < sabotender> orange juice?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:05:49 < FreezingCold> sabotender: no more using the word female
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:53 < JCM83> dont' they have to be increasing voltage somewhere
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:05:53 < FreezingCold> it's going to piss me off even more
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:05:54 < sabotender> OH
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:06:05 < sabotender> FreezingCold: wait...what?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:06:33 < FreezingCold> sabotender: I'm pissed I'm missing out on a sex call right now =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:06:46 < FreezingCold> no car, no buses running and not enough cash for a taxi
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:07:38 < alesan> bycicle?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:07:49 < FreezingCold> would be 20km+ probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:07:51 < sabotender> O_o take a cold shower? Honestly, I cannot understand how those urges drive men to do stupid things. I am happy I am celibate.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:08:00 < alesan> once I did ride 20 miles uphill, downhill, and then uphill again
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:08:05 < alesan> for that 9.5/10
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:08:10 < FreezingCold> sabotender: a stupid thing would be stealing my parents credit card to go
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:08:17 < FreezingCold> I can control myself
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:08:42 < FreezingCold> but it still makes you want to kick the living shit out of something trying to hold it in
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:08:43 < JCM83> sabotender it is probably beneficial that you have suppressed your testicles.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:09:52 < sabotender> naw, it is that whole 'drive' thing. I never had it myself as it never has interested me. but that is normal as I am a recluse/loaner/etc. I feel more centred when I am away from people.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:10:01 < sabotender> but enough about that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:26 < JCM83> do all the proper calculations to build that BEAM bot
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:31 < azonenberg> madist: i saw that
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:34 < azonenberg> i am amazed
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T07:56:35 < FreezingCold> hmmm, time to play around with eclipse
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:43 < azonenberg> i was under the impression that CdS cells were outright banned under RoHS
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:52 < JCM83> ohsix I'd like to have them build some little arms and mess with all those coordinates. Recommend a kit for the bits?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T07:56:54 < madist> apparently nothing else works as well
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T08:04:06 < ohsix> or rather, is typically flash
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T08:04:09 < madist> ohsix: you could just make them smaller ?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T08:04:41 < FreezingCold> OMGOMG OMGOMGOMGMGG
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T08:04:45 < FreezingCold> I got debugging working!
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T08:05:09 < ohsix> they make flash in other packages, i think they actually use most of that space
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T08:05:14 < ohsix> the packages are also super thin
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T08:05:37 < madist> a 7mmx18mm die ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:40:51 < rkreis_> good :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:41:10  * LeelooMinai stares at her verilog code
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:41:23 < LeelooMinai> Seems ok, but there's not a line there yet:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:41:29 < FreezingCold> Hey how many volts does a internal DVD drive need?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:41:58 < rkreis_> if you have 12V and 5V, you're on the safe side
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:07 < rkreis_> i don't know if they actually make use of both
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:42:08 < FreezingCold> Does it really need both?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:42:09 < FreezingCold> yeahh
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:27 < rkreis_> sounds like something you just have to test :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:29 < LeelooMinai> Probably 5V for logic or something, and 12V for motors
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:37 < heraclitus> anyone know where I might be able to find a 5600uF, 50V Aluminum Electrolytic Cap, (canister) 22mm x 52mm (or shorter), with 10mm lead spacing? thru hole?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:45 < rkreis_> many hard drives don't actually need 12V for anything
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:42:45 < FreezingCold> my external DVD drive broke
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:42:53 < FreezingCold> so I'm thinking about ghettoing one up
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:42:57 < heraclitus> I've tried newark, digikey, tayda
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:06 < heraclitus> frys, radioshack
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:07 < LeelooMinai> heraclitus: DigiKey, Mouser, Newark - places like that
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:08 < rkreis_> heraclitus: ebay? farnell?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:43:09 < FreezingCold> using an internal with a power supply and SATA <-> USB 3.0
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:43:17 < FreezingCold> heraclitus: what country?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:43:21 < FreezingCold> the country really changes your answer
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:24 < rkreis_> heraclitus: sounds rather big... is using 2 smaller caps an alternative?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:27 < heraclitus> United states
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:33 < LeelooMinai> Well, from ebay you may get Russian Babooshka capacitor - that will have a smaller one inside:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:43:37 < heraclitus> I don't have room on the board for that (it's a repair)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:43:50 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: go ahead and try :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:06 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: I'd have to rip it out of my desktop first =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:09 < FreezingCold> kinda a pain
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:12 < heraclitus> farnell uses the same database as newark, no?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:13 < FreezingCold> it's in the back
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:19 < r0b-> can a smartphone charge if there is no OS?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:30 < FreezingCold> heraclitus: in Canada we only have newark and my order says farnell
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:32 < FreezingCold> so yeah I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:34 < rkreis_> r0b-: depends on the smartphone? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:35 < FreezingCold> r0b-: ...yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:41 < rkreis_> typically, the OS needn't be running, just some low level firmware
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:41 < r0b-> android.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:44 < LeelooMinai> r0b-: One would hope so...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:45  * linux_probe chuckles @ LeelooMinai
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:44:47 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: unless it was made by a really shitty engineer
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:44:57 < r0b-> i have an Atrix HD that doesnt wanna boot...
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:03 < FreezingCold> I had a LG phone that work FUCKING TURN THE SCREEN ON when it was low battery...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:06 < r0b-> sigh I have to reflash recovery and the battery is low.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:07 < FreezingCold> every few seconds
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:09 < FreezingCold> it was like wtfffff
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:12 < FreezingCold> you're wasting battery!
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:16 < r0b-> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:24 < rkreis_> r0b-: so what happens when you just plug in power? nothing at all?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:29 < FreezingCold> I think the firmware was outsourced to India since it was a low end phone
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:32 < r0b-> the phone is on
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:39 < r0b-> and it will try to boot but cant.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:45:47 < r0b-> im in the bootloader now
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:47 < FreezingCold> r0b-: measure the voltage on the battery
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:57 < FreezingCold> IIRC 3.7V means fully charged
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:45:58 < r0b-> FreezingCold: the battery is not user accessible.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:46:10 < FreezingCold> anything is ##electronics accessible ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:46:18 < r0b-> not without tools i aint got.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:46:21  * FreezingCold is watching gravity
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:46:38 < upgrdman> lipo cell: 3.0 min, 3.7 nominal, 4.2 max
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:46:46 < FreezingCold> yeah so 3.7V
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:46:51 < LeelooMinai> It's ok, but that Sandra B. - too histerical imho:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:47:20 < LeelooMinai> They would never let a person with that mentality into the outer space:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:47:45 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Natalie Portman or Scarlett Johansson would have been much better
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:48:18 < FreezingCold> no offense to Sandra Bullock, but she was too old for the role
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:48:34 < CESSMASTER> ???
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:48:38 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:48:47 < CESSMASTER> sandra bullock isn't old
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:48:49 < LeelooMinai> Old or not - that is fine... but I would more expect that she would use normal wrench and span around it or something like that:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:49:04 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: she's 50 IIRC
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:49:13  * FreezingCold googles
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:49:13 < LeelooMinai> 50 is new 30
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:49:18 < FreezingCold> yep she's the same age as my mom
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:49:20 < CESSMASTER> how old is the average astronaut
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:49:33 < LeelooMinai> Probably 30s or 40s
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:49:42 < FreezingCold> 40s
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:49:47 < LeelooMinai> 30s would be my guess?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:49:53 < CESSMASTER> yeah but she looks younger than them
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:49:58 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: chris hadfield
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:50:00 < FreezingCold> 50s
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:50:15 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I guess they don't let teenagers there:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:50:23 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: meh, I'd rather stare at Portman  or Johansson for an hour and a half compared to her
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:50:45 < bulaia> http://i.imgur.com/YFFNcZA.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:50:53 < bulaia> wrong chan. youre welcome tho
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:51:03 < FreezingCold> my god that's a horrible phone case
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:51:12 < LeelooMinai> "Hey dude! This arm is cool - I just took the cargo out and threw it towards the Moon"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:51:27 < FreezingCold> bulaia: the pink is tasteless
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:51:44 < LeelooMinai> Pik is the new blue
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:51:45 < FreezingCold> the shirt is awkwardly small and not flattering
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:52:09 < FreezingCold> her hair is nice though
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:12 < bulaia> youre looking too high
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:13 < bulaia> :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:52:19 < FreezingCold> makeup isn't over the top either
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:52:27 < FreezingCold> bulaia: it's too much
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:29 < Kevin`> bulaia: I think he's doing it intentionally =p
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:30 < LeelooMinai> A phone with dollar case is not pretentious at all
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:52:44 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: looks like daddy's place
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:48 < bulaia> ok fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:52:50 < bulaia> how about http://i.imgur.com/CefWNtt.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:11 < FreezingCold> again, why do these women have horrible taste in shirts?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:53:11 < LeelooMinai> That phone case is a bit better
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:18 < FreezingCold> do they just puts pants on and forget?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:53:22 < LeelooMinai> But not that much:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:24 < FreezingCold> fat arms
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:37 < FreezingCold> painted nails, ew
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:47 < FreezingCold> gray makes you look fat as well
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:53 < FreezingCold> not flattering
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:53:57 < FreezingCold> !next
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:54:15 < bulaia> /r/yogapants
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:54:17 < LeelooMinai> electrollnics at its best
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:54:25 < FreezingCold> bulaia: it's supposed to be black, not gray or fucking pink
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:54:29 < bulaia> electronics were developed exclusively for this
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:54:47 < bulaia> do you think there would be a demand for 4g without pictures like this? NOOOOO
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:56:16 < DanDare> kill kill kill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDoyN1jXh70
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:56:50 < FreezingCold> what is it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:57:03 < FreezingCold> not clicking, youtube is a PITA
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:57:54 < DanDare> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:58:01 < DanDare> Milgram experiment
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:58:18 < Kevin`> how can you repeat an experiment like that, when the details of it are so well known
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:58:32 < FreezingCold> ah here's the drive I have
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:58:33 < FreezingCold> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151173
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T09:58:36 < FreezingCold> DanDare: milgram?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:58:37 < Kevin`> ..I guess there's plenty of sheeple who have never heard of it though
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:58:47 < DanDare> I see even 8Milgrim
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T09:59:07 < DanDare> Kevin`, yeah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:02:26 < DanDare> FreezingCold, Stanley Millgram: Obedience to Authority http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9l_puxcrlM
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:03:18 < DanDare> Shit internet, video is there but the correct name is "Milgram" it seems
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:03:28 < madist> moar girls in yoga pants: http://i.imgur.com/2P2cTMN.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:03:32 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: youtube-dl or mpv (directly plays yt urls) make youtube bearable
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:03:40 < FreezingCold> yeah I read the wiki page
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:03:49 < DanDare> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Milgram
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:03:50 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: I prefer reading over watching anything "educational"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:03:58 < DanDare> me too
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:04:16 < rkreis_> good point
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:04:21 < FreezingCold> madist: OH GOD MY EYES
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:04:23 < FreezingCold> MY GOD
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:04:27 < FreezingCold> BAN HI
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:04:30 < FreezingCold> HIM
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:04:36 < madist> wut
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:04:36  * FreezingCold sets mode +b madist 
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:04:59 < DanDare> and this is curious, a bad scientificamerican article about the matter http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-milgrams-shock-experiments-really-mean/
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:05:02 < madist> you don't like ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:05:38 < DanDare> Where they concluded people are not that evil!!  When doing the same test on a reality show
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:05:59 < FreezingCold> we're selfish, but we're not evil by default
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:06:15 < DanDare> or, we are evil by default
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:06:28 < sabotender> hiya FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:06:33 < DanDare> its not clear the genetic influence on this type of thing, I guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:06:33 < FreezingCold> If I was doing something selfish, I'd pick the option that's less evil
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:06:41 < DanDare> everyone
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:06:57 < DanDare> despite of that, most people just obey
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:15:34 < JFK911> what did you order?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:15:55 < JFK911> who was researching every mcu ever made, was that FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:15:58 < sabotender> JFK911: how dare you leave in the middle of a conversation!
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:16:23 < sabotender> I was talking to you, then *poof* you were gone
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:21:55 < rkreis_> i still can't link 1011 to any airplane
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:22:03 < JFK911> the L1011 TRI STAR!
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:22:10 < sabotender> rkreis_: I don't care much for model anything
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:22:21 < FreezingCold> lol I did such a shitty job soldering this USB connector back on
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:22:26 < FreezingCold> no flux really
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:22:27 < JFK911> sabotender: it's ideal i think, my parents were never at home
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:22:39 < rkreis_> wait, i was thinking of big airplanes with nice sweet turbines
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:26:30 < JFK911> the THM that goes on the chevy small block for instance
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:26:35 < sabotender> I am going to assume that you are around 45 or so. not so rare to make babies at that age
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:26:54 < LeelooMinai> If you work in a toy factory
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:27:05 < FreezingCold> damn the pads really cracked off here
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:27:08 < FreezingCold> can't solder them back on
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:27:31 < Aqualuna> Making babies os mote fin than actually making them
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:27:31 < JFK911> superglue wire to the board!
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:27:37 < sabotender> FreezingCold: super glue and some fas...wow
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:27:46 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I was gonna do that, but I'm worried I'll end up blocking the connector
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:27:47 < sabotender> JFK911: you and I are of two minds
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:28:04 < FreezingCold> brb finding glue
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:28:21 < JFK911> sometime last year i looped a wire around the tip of a pen to create a round 'pad' where i broke one.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:28:50 < sabotender> FreezingCold: mind you the glue will desintegrate the moment you heat it at that temp but it will hold the wire still long enough to make a bridge
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:28:53 < JFK911> i was not sure that one would connect reliably on both sides of the hole, i guess i got lucky and filled it with solder
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:29:19 < JFK911> glue it again so its not mechanically disturbed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:39:18 < LeelooMinai> Well, they work okish
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:39:46 < LeelooMinai> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-pcs-Lot-IC-Pick-up-Place-Vacuum-Sucking-Pen-3-Suction-Headers/544283806.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:39:53 < LeelooMinai> THis ine has some caps
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:44:44 < FreezingCold> can't find glue
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:44:47 < FreezingCold> oh well, another day
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:44:52 < FreezingCold> hey so I got a USB parallel port
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:45:09 < FreezingCold> I heard they aren't "real" and just emulate a printer's interface?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:45:17 < JFK911> you can print with them
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:45:29 < JFK911> you can't "out 378, ax"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:45:31 < ohsix> LIES
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:45:31 < FreezingCold> can I toggle pins with them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:45:32 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:45:51 < FreezingCold> [21293.183485] usblp 4-1.2:1.0: usblp1: USB Bidirectional printer dev 14 if 0 alt 1 proto 2 vid 0x067B pid 0x2305
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:45:57 < JFK911> probably a way to get gpio on your linux somehow
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:45:59 < FreezingCold> even picks up as a printer and not a parallel port
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:46:06 < FreezingCold> my linux?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:46:08 < FreezingCold> I own it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:46:09 < LeelooMinai> I have two or three boxes that are called edgeport-something - they are also usb to parallel + serial
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:46:16 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you adopted it
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:46:35 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I heard that old school scopes don't like USB parallel, any truth to that?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:46:39 < JFK911> you can get gpio with ftdi chips
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:20 < FreezingCold> Bus 004 Device 014: ID 067b:2305 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2305 Parallel Port
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:20 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: What do you mean... you mean they are controlled by parellel port or what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:27 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: na for screenshots and shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:33 < FreezingCold> ah it's a cloned PL2305
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:40 < FreezingCold> poor Prolific
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:47:49 < FreezingCold> that must suck
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:47:56 < JFK911> you think you could connect a 'scope to a printer port on a pc?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:48:02 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: I, well, I am not sure... I thought they would use this GBPI or GBPI, forgot, interface
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:48:09 < JFK911> gpib!!!!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:48:27 < LeelooMinai> Right, it seems to be what EE equipment uses/used
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:48:27 < FreezingCold> JFK911: aren't they parallel ports?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:48:51 < JFK911> if you see a parallel port on an instrument it is probably for a centronics type of printer
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:49:10 < LeelooMinai> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE-488
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:49:59 < FreezingCold> I think it's a 54601a I have in my lab
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:50:09 < FreezingCold> /s/my lab/school lab/
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:50:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: ok, i think those have option modules on the back
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:50:23 < JFK911> it may not have gpib
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:50:32 < ohsix> SUCH LIIIIIEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:50:32 < JFK911> it may have rs232 serial and a centronics printer port
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:50:46 < ohsix> tower of guns is cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:50:55 < ohsix> way too short and not enough items thoguh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:50:59 < FreezingCold> JFK911: actually yeah it is a printer interface
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:51:01 < FreezingCold> cool cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:51:08 < JFK911> so, i want to use the connected launchpad to connect to a printer port liek that, and send the data to a network laserjet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:51:19 < JFK911> it should be really easy
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:51:26 < JFK911> all you do is send the data to tcp 9100
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:51:36 < FreezingCold> "send"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:51:42 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: You are "doing" flyback again...
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:51:44 < FreezingCold> you mean receive?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:52:00 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I think he has turrets
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:52:03 < ohsix> i'm actually doing someone you don't know
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:52:14 < ohsix> which is that 'ohsix' person
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:52:23 < FreezingCold> wow my jaw is twitching
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:52:23 < JFK911> since new printers don't have centronics ports anymore, i want to connect a device to anything with a printer port so they can print to the network printer
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:52:56 < JFK911> whether its some embroidery machine run by a pc/at or a 1985 logic analyzer
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:53:19 < JFK911> most of these things want to talk to a laserjet anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:53:28 < JFK911> so why not
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:53:41 < LeelooMinai> It's like this room full of people talking about something and suddenly someone enters or wakes up and says "And buprulus is so unbaprulus in this ibapulus, haha!" and everyone goes quiet.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:54:12 < ohsix> wubadubbadubdub!
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:54:15 < FreezingCold> JFK911: damn, I think I threw my old parallel to print cable
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:54:32 < JFK911> freezingcold that sucks because its a good thing to harvest wires from
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:56:24 < ohsix> shit, it's wubba lubba dub dub, not wubadubbadubdub
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:56:46 < ohsix> it's a reference to zardoz, i need to watch that
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:56:47 < bulaia> http://i.minus.com/izQ3wfAKlhabL.gif
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:56:53 < FreezingCold> It has this connector http://mlb-s2-p.mlstatic.com/osciloscopio-hp-digital-54600b-100-mhz-2-canais-storage-9379-MLB20015868457_122013-O.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:57:34 < ohsix> http://i.imgur.com/SWr27T5.gif
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:57:36 < JFK911> thats a plugin that gives a gpib connection
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:57:41 < JFK911> there may be more ports on the back panel
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:58:33 < ohsix> we have to stop talking about it, people don't know what we're talking about
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:58:38 < ohsix> except theBear, he loves it
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:58:39 < JFK911> FreezingCold: bestcheapest gpib for now http://bmjd.biz/
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:58:52 < Jan-> hey jfk
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:59:16 < LeelooMinai> Man, it's getting worse - now people casually throw shorthands like r&m
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:59:28 < Jan-> is bestcheapest now a word
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T10:59:30 < FreezingCold> r&m?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:59:31 < JFK911> heya Jan welcome in USA I hope the strip search was not very severe
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T10:59:33 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: http://i.imgur.com/udawzXI.gif remember that, i'm bringing it back
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:00:27 < Jan-> I'll catch all you guys tomorrow
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:00:31 < ohsix> bye jan
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:00:40 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Once you get gpib you can do a lot more than transfer print-screen data
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:01:15 < ohsix> hrm there are no 1080p caps
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:01:22 < JFK911> Jan cheers i hope there arent bedbugs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:12:06 < gregtom6> I mean
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:12:10 < LeelooMinai> gregtom6:mains is AC - it has no GND...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:12:21 < ohsix> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:12:42  * FreezingCold is watching Cosmos
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:12:45 < FreezingCold> Interesting ish show
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:12:54 < ohsix> you know that sound that is made in metal gear solid when the guards are alerted
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:13:03 < bulaia> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:13:06 < bulaia> it just played in my head
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:13:28 < LeelooMinai> gregtom6: Main has neutral and hot wires. In theory neutrl is safer, but in practice it may kill you as well
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:13:31 < bulaia> i havent heard that for about 14-15 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:13:41 < bulaia> and i knew exactly what it sounded like when you said it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:13:53 < FreezingCold> wow microchip's MPLAB X
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:13:56 < FreezingCold> this simulator...
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:13:57 < FreezingCold> WHY
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:14:07 < FreezingCold> it's *so* close to being awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:14:07 < ohsix> what now
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:14:08 < bulaia> ohsix: if you get it on your phone send me the wav/mp3 pls :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:15:46 < rkreis_> being ambigous like that causes communication issues, which cause frustration
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:02 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: I don't know them in english, sry
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:16:11 < FreezingCold> ohsix: let me show you
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:20 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: so what kind of lines has a normal electricity in a house?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:22 < gregtom6> in the walls
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:16:27 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/VbPd8P0.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:29 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/vimjIyF.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:16:30 < FreezingCold> there's no way to export it
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:35 < OoTLink> what happens when a dslreports guy remodels their house?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:38 < rkreis_> gregtom6: just tell me the colour of that wire you want to touch so badly :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:16:44 < LeelooMinai> gregtom6: neutral, hot, and earth
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:11 < gregtom6> rkreis_: it's only a theory question, I don't know the colors of them :) but I laughed so hardly on this
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:12 < JFK911> OoTLink: this is better than many
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:17:20 < ohsix> FreezingCold: to export what, pattern as stimulus?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:26 < LeelooMinai> gregtom6: GND is mostly to decribe some potential in a circuit that is used for reference voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:27 < rkreis_> seems quite practical for a theory question :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:33 < OoTLink> apparently they were paid to do it for someone?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:46 < OoTLink> "-4 cable boxes feed TVs via hdmi balun -Blu ray -Apple TV -Integra 30.3 for theater -sub amp -2 élan D12 amps for house audio -Sonos connect -Élan hc12 controls hvac, cameras, security, AV control -Niles avs2 for a/b audio switching between cable and sonos audio -intercom system -ip video server
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:17:46 < OoTLink> "
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:17:55 < FreezingCold> ohsix: uhhh.. what do you mean by that? I just want to see the frequency it's sat
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:17:57 < FreezingCold> *it's at
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:18:00 < rkreis_> i think you should read up on how the wiring actually works to fully understand the issue, even theoretically
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:18:09 < JFK911> OoTLink: missing voip
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:18:19 < ohsix> OoTLink: looooooool that thing at the bottom is a microsoft surface
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:18:29 < rkreis_> or you could just theoretically assume an isolated AC/DC source, but then please communicate that
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:18:39 < ohsix> FreezingCold: what are the numbers along the bottom?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:18:53 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I'm assuming instruction clock
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:18:58 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: okay, I ask this in another way
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:19:22 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: in microelectronics, there is DC I think
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:19:32 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you can calculate it from that too
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:19:44 < FreezingCold> ohsix: but I don't have the exact numbers
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:19:47 < FreezingCold> I just have the gprah
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:19:49 < FreezingCold> *graph
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:19:57 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: if I touch the GND (because there will be GND in here I think), can it harm myself somehow?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:20:14 < ohsix> zoom in? you don't need exact numbers for what i see there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:22:26 < OoTLink> so
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:22:30 < OoTLink> I don't even know what's going on here lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:22:35 < OoTLink> but you know the suction cup thingy on the top of the tube
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:22:38 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I like exact numbers :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:22:41 < JFK911> its not a suction cup
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:22:47 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: but if I would use that from high voltage, what is the situation?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:12 < JFK911> the wire is usually part of the flyback trafo
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:18 < JFK911> did he put it in his pee hole
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:22 < OoTLink> hahahahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:23:23 < ohsix> FreezingCold: zoom in, heh; you knwo if it is related to the clock it will be aliased with it
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:25 < OoTLink> no here's my question
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:27 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: it would be connected to myself for a very long time, so small voltages and currents can be harmful too I think...if it is harmful in high voltage and current
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:23:52 < OoTLink> if you yank the plug/wire off
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:24:54 < JFK911> just gently touch it to the glass
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T11:25:23 < FreezingCold> ohsix: my guses is off by like 30%
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:25:24 < gregtom6> LeelooMinai: it's good thought, but I'm not sure if I know much better the EE, I would gather health knowledge too
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:25:26 < JFK911> then, clamp a wire to ground and shove it in the hole
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T11:25:49 < JFK911> somehow the tube will charge itself again
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:22:37 < ohsix> then there's not enough in a bike tire
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:22:58 < xtalmath> you tried the inner tire or outer tire?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:04 < ohsix> inner tube
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:07 < FreezingCold> Is USB serial still an okay idea?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:09 < xtalmath> strange
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:09 < FreezingCold> or should I use HID?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:13 < ohsix> outer tire is softer so it probably has less
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:15 < FreezingCold> I'm going through Microchip's library right now
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:18 < FreezingCold> they have both
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:18 < ohsix> FreezingCold: for what
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:20 < JFK911> FreezingCold: for what
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:28 < ohsix> HID is used to cheat making a driver
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:32 < FreezingCold> data acquisition
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:38 < ohsix> you usually do use it if you can
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:23:55 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I have libraries for both HID and CDC it appears
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:23:58 < JFK911> hm this fuel gauge
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:24:09 < ohsix> cdc would be serial?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:24:10 < ohsix> er
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:24:10 < slee> usb serial on the host side is much, much easier to work with
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:24:16 < ohsix> i thought you were talking about something else
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:24:29 < ohsix> you can still use libusb to interact with your thing withotu writing a driver so it's up to you
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:25:06 < FreezingCold> Never mind, it appears they're lying
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:25:24 < FreezingCold> Their website claimed it was for XC8, but going into the actual libraries says it's for C18
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:26:48 < ohsix> does it matter? it doesn't fit or something?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:31:05 < bobo1on1> although ethernet is probably overkill for communication between components on the same pcb
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:05 < FreezingCold> ohsix: yeahhhhhhhh so microchip needs another 5 years to fix their shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:19 < FreezingCold> oh wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:33:20 < ohsix> for what
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:21 < FreezingCold> it did compile
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:22 < FreezingCold> never mind
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:31 < FreezingCold> their source files lie, but it does compile lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:33:39 < MasterAccurate> have anyone some 19" rack for to offer?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:33:50 < ohsix> what did it say, and then proceed to not do
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:54 < FreezingCold> oh wait never mind
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:33:59 < FreezingCold> I compiled the wrong project haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:35:41 < OoTLink> do you think an ewaste place will uh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:35:46 < drac_boy> hi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:39:07 < drac_boy> ohsix oh so its still more or less the same voltage? hmm thanks, thats what I was curious about
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:39:13 < ohsix> dang normally i'd be skeptical of a domain name like that, but it looks pretty good
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:39:35 < drac_boy> heh :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:41:29 < FreezingCold> question, what does 0xF037 look like to you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:41:44 < ohsix> f037
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:47:05 < OoTLink> nini
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T13:48:01 < bobo1on1> FreezingCold: foet?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:48:25 < drac_boy> ohsix so I guess I could aim more or less for 35VAC maximum ac supply if I wanted to safely use a regulator for long period of times which has a max limit of 40VDC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T13:49:06 < bobo1on1> drac_boy: 35VAC rectified is over 48VDC
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:08:25 < ohsix> cairo / pango
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:08:33 < slee> figlet
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:08:37 < rkreis_> latex!
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:08:42 < FreezingCold> /opt/microchip/mla/apps/usb/device/cdc_basic/firmware/src/system_config/pic18f46j50_pim/system.c:23: error: (141) can't open include file "system.h": No such file or directory
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:08:49 < FreezingCold> system.h is right there...
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:08:50 < ohsix> imagemagick cand o everything from the commandline
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:09:17 < slee> just, whatever you do, don't apt-get install sl
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:09:21 < FreezingCold> [20140405:070834~]$ file /opt/microchip/mla/apps/usb/device/cdc_basic/firmware/src/system_config/pic18f46j50_pim/system.h
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:09:21 < FreezingCold> /opt/microchip/mla/apps/usb/device/cdc_basic/firmware/src/system_config/pic18f46j50_pim/system.h: C source, ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:09:32 < FreezingCold> why...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:09:43 < ohsix> that doesn't mean . or that path is in your include path
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:09:56 < FreezingCold> but it finds system.c right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:10:00 < slee> is it #include "foo" or #include <foo> ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:10:05 < drac_boy> guess I'll just go with 35VAC then
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:10:35 < FreezingCold> #include <system.h>
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:12:16 < ohsix> slee: you can do a lot in a simulator
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:12:38 < FreezingCold> if it finds the .c, isn't the include already included?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:12:46 < slee> like ltspice? yeah. tried that a bit. but it actually feels like more effort than a breadboard + scope :-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:12:57 < ohsix> there are node based synthesizers that you can transliterate too
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:13:24 < ohsix> FreezingCold: no, the include path is a completely different thing, you run 'cc file.c' as part of the build process, you need to tell it where to find headers
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:13:37 < slee> ohsix: node based?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:13:39 < ohsix> usually in your ide setup if it's part of the runtime
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:13:47 < FreezingCold> yeah i'm using an ide
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:13:51 < ohsix> slee: like max msp, plogue bidule
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:14:24 < slee> oh bleh
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:14:47 < ohsix> shrug
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:14:49 < FreezingCold> ohsix: it's all in the head files though
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:14:58 < ohsix> beats building 10 vco's to have 10 vco's for some thing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:15:23 < slee> i know, but the interactivity is awful IMHO (and yes i build my own midi controllers)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:24:02 < slee> korg have a bunch of cool ipad stuff. the iMS-20 ms20 emu is lovely. but again, the controls are terrible. and in korg's case, it's harder to fix because they don't support iOS/OSX Core MIDI properly, so i can't do MIDI over wifi like i can with other iOS MIDI apps
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:25:11 < slee> so to control iMS20 with MIDI, i have to plug a usb-midi gadget into the dock connector. Fail
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:25:15 < FreezingCold> Why can't I find files in my location directory...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:25:45 < ohsix> i have the 2 synts that were on the ds, the second one was awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:25:49 < shvelo>  is there something like audio to digital converter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:25:56 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/Xaa6nkP.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:26:06 < ohsix> shvelo: 'analog', yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:26:08 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the .h is right there!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:27:22 < Jurika> Hi, just wondering if anyone here is familiar with Xilinx? I'm just drawing up a few schematics for an FPGA, with the I/O markers, what effect does deleting the box around a marker have? ie. after having set a marker down, pressing delete.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:27:26 < ohsix> FreezingCold: this is C compiler 101 stuff, check your ide and project include paths
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:27:28 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: so... you do use <> brackets - does your include path include the right directory then?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:27:51 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: yeah all the sample projects use <>
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:27:54 < ohsix> Jurika: why did you change your name?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:28:11 < Jurika> ohsix: from?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:28:12 < slee> FreezingCold: you're not answering rkreis_'s question
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:28:19 < rkreis_> so fix your include path, or your brackets (depending on what makes more sense)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:28:20 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: shouldn't my header folder automatically be apart of the compiler?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:28:35 < rkreis_> why would the compiler look for *system headers* in your project directory?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:28:44 < ohsix> Jurika: Engen
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:28:55 < Jurika> ohsix: he on another machine
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:29:06 < ohsix> FreezingCold: "" is project local <> is system path
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:29:25 < FreezingCold> if I'm going to be modifying them from default settings, should I make them local?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:29:48 < rkreis_> decide if, uh, system.h is a system or project header
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:30:10 < Jurika> FreezingCold: what's the problem? :D C is good fun.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:30:38 < slee> it sure is
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:31:12 < FreezingCold> uh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:31:20 < FreezingCold> I don't know which is it
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:31:26 < FreezingCold> project I guess?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:31:30 < slee> sigh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:31:39 < slee> did you write the file?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:31:54 < slee> or was it supplied with the compiler
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:31:54 < FreezingCold> No, I'm just trying to get a sample up and running
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:32:04 < FreezingCold> But I will be rewriting some of it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:32:34 < slee> i think you need to start providing actual details rather than being vague about it. like the full compiler commandline being used
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:32:39 < slee> (in a pastebin, not here)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:33:24 < miss0r> I think what I am looking for in a software is a cad/cam software that can create patterns and text. something almost like MS paint :) only with measurements and the option to export to something easily converted to g-code if not directly to g-code
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:33:31 < miss0r> Is there soft a program?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:33:41 < slee> g-code - for cnc?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:33:43 < FreezingCold> slee: http://i.imgur.com/lyaDXr8.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:33:51 < slee> FreezingCold: no, in a pastebin
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:33:55 < miss0r> indeed - I am in the wrong window. sorry
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:34:03 < FreezingCold> slee: it's one line
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:34:04 < FreezingCold> -P -N255 --warn=0 --asmlist --opt=default,+asm,+asmfile,-speed,+space,-debug --addrqual=ignore --mode=pro
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:34:14 < slee> miss0r: happens to us all :-/
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:34:21 < miss0r> slee, Indeed.
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:34:31 < ohsix> hm i wonder why it appears nobody has tried to retarget tcc to the pic or the avr
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:34:46 < slee> wait, what compiler even is that
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:34:55 < FreezingCold> xc8
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:34:55 < ohsix> tinycc
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:35:04 < ohsix> nm
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:35:35 < FreezingCold> again it's not really the compiler's problem, I just don't know what exactly I'm supposed to point it towards
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:35:59 < slee> i guess there's some implied compiler config somewhere
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:15 < slee> and i asked for the FULL compiler commandline
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:36:23 < FreezingCold> that was
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:26 < slee> no it wasn't
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:36:27 < FreezingCold> [07:33:16] <FreezingCold> slee: http://i.imgur.com/lyaDXr8.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:36:31 < FreezingCold> ^ PROOF
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:31 < ohsix> that is missing a lot
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:41 < ohsix> there's no -I or compiler name for one
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:47 < slee> or filename
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:36:50 < FreezingCold> There's the linker one: --runtime=default,+clear,+init,-keep,-no_startup,-download,+config,+clib,+plib --double=24 --float=24 --emi=wordwrite --output=default,-inhx032 --summary=default,-psect,-class,+mem,-hex,-file
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:36:56 < ohsix> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:37:06 < ohsix> that is the 'generated commandline' from _that very options window_
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:37:14 < ohsix> run a build and look at the log to see what is actually done
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:37:23 < rkreis_> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:37:36 < ohsix> he knows that, he's just like this
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:37:37 < rkreis_> just replace <> by "" and that's it... if you want to be pragmatic...
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:37:48 < FreezingCold> "/opt/microchip/xc8/v1.30/bin/xc8" --pass1  --chip=18F4685 -Q -G  --double=24 --float=24 --emi=wordwrite --opt=default,+asm,+asmfile,-speed,+space,-debug --addrqual=ignore --mode=pro -P -N255 -I"/home/dave/PIC/USBdemo.X" --warn=0 --asmlist --summary=default,-psect,-class,+mem,-hex,-file --output=default,-inhx032 --runtime=default,+clear,+init,-keep,-no_startup,-download,+config,+clib,+plib --o
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:37:48 < FreezingCold> utput=-mcof,+elf:multilocs --stack=compiled:auto:auto:auto "--errformat=%f:%l: error: (%n) %s" "--warnformat=%f:%l: warning: (%n) %s" "--msgformat=%f:%l: advisory: (%n) %s"    -obuild/default/production/app_device_cdc_basic.p1  app_device_cdc_basic.c
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:37:53 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:38:01 < ohsix> everyone gets a change to be dumb when they're just starting
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:38:18 < FreezingCold> /s/change/chance ?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:38:32 < Jurika> FreezingCold: what IDE is that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:38:42 < ohsix> my typos reflect not giving a fuck, i sure need to take a break from trying to be useful
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:38:44 < FreezingCold> MPLAB X, the stock one from Microchip
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:38:54 < FreezingCold> it's a hacked up Netbeans
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:38:58 < slee> h
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:39:23 < FreezingCold> okay so I added the project directory to includes
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:39:37 < FreezingCold> missing a few other files but I'll add them. Seems to be working
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:41:34 < FreezingCold> greatttt, it won't include subdirectories
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:41:38 < FreezingCold> ...is that standard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:41:42 < ohsix> it will
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:41:51 < ohsix> #include "subdir/butt.h"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:42:06 < ohsix> you use relative paths or you pass them all with -I
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:42:28 < ohsix> are you learning C on the pic?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:42:32 < FreezingCold>  -I"/home/dave/PIC/USBdemo.X"
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:42:35 < FreezingCold> looks pretty passed to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:42:36 < ohsix> that's a pretty bad way to doit, heh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:42:52 < FreezingCold> I've been messing around with C for a few years, nothing professional
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:43:09 < FreezingCold> you've got to understand that none of the profs/teachers in CS really know what they're doing
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:43:15 < ohsix> how did you manage to miss how to include a file
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:43:16 < ohsix> eh
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:43:18 < FreezingCold> "uh click download and sure"
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:43:19 < slee> does pic's equivalent of avr-libc (i assume it has one...) include malloc?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:43:46 < ohsix> malloc is kind of tabboo, probably for larger devices, a first fit one maybe
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:44:01 < slee> yeah i don't use it, just curious
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:44:03 < ohsix> hm
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:44:03 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the last compiler I used would following includes in the working directory
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:44:07 < slee> avr-libc does have a very primitive malloc
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:44:08 < ohsix> looks like it comes with the compiler
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:45:03 < ohsix> as dumb as the old basic stamp was, it sure seems like a quick thing to do to just burn some bytecode engine on the thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:45:54 < slee> like a forth?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:46:13 < FreezingCold> ohsix: so you guys seem to be saying that since I have a -l now, it should be recessive
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:46:25 < FreezingCold> yet
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:46:26 < FreezingCold> app_device_cdc_basic.c:30: error: (141) can't open include file "usb/usb.h": No such file or directory
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:46:56 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/VOGWyif.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:46:58 < FreezingCold> it's very much there
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:10 < davor> what is the purpose of -12v lines on PSUs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:15 < davor> ATX PSUs
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:34 < slee> ohsix: this looks like it would be a fun toy to play with on the commuter trains http://mutable-instruments.net/anushri
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:40 < drac_boy> legacy devices most of the times
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:46 < ohsix> slee: something not stack based but yea, stack based would exacerbate pic target problems
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:47:53 < drac_boy> -5v and -12v were for serial/isa/etc
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:47:55 < ohsix> FreezingCold: what do you mean? -1
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:02 < drac_boy> I think pci still did have one negative voltage in its pinouts too
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:48:07 < ohsix> FreezingCold: oh, -I, and is 'usb' in your project dir or a system path?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:18 < ohsix> davor: practically no use anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:48:24 < FreezingCold> ohsix: project dir, which seems to be a problem for some reason
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:25 < xtalmath> any news on new singleboard computers?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:33 < slee> xtalmath: people are making them
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:48:34 < FreezingCold> xtalmath: yes, they've been out for years
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:45 < xtalmath> i mean on new models?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:49 < davor> how do those legacy devices work with -12/-5v lines?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:48:50 < FreezingCold> xtalmath: rk3166 I believe
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:48:51 < ohsix> nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:48:52 < FreezingCold> or rk3188
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:49:01 < FreezingCold> ohsix: nope...? nope what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:49:10 < ohsix> people are making new sbc/bsp's all the time, but not in the space of the avr and stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:49:15  * slee still not sure why people are so excited about SBC. it's hardly a new concept
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:49:42 < slee> http://www.embeddedarm.com/index.php these guys make a bunch of interesting SBCs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:02 < slee> i see
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:17 < ohsix> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/50001456H.pdf pic c library for 16 bit devices
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:18 < Jurika> slee: ah cool, that's an interesting example.
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:19 < FreezingCold> The hell does this mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:20 < FreezingCold> :0: error: (500) undefined symbols:
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:27 < FreezingCold>         _USBDeviceTasks(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _line_coding(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _BUTTON_IsPressed(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _cdc_trf_state(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _LED_Enable(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _USBDeviceInit(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:27 < FreezingCold>  _CDCTxService(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _USBDeviceAttach(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _putrsUSBUSART(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _getsUSBUSART(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _putUSBUSART(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _BUTTON_Enable(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj) _USBDev
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:28 < FreezingCold> iceState(dist/default/production/USBdemo.X.production.obj)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T14:59:36 < Jurika> FreezingCold: pastebin, for the love of god
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:40 < ohsix> 500 undefined symbols, or 500 is the error number
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:49 < electrostatic> it was kind of heartening to realize that even the nsa uses shitty power point slides
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T14:59:51 < slee> Jurika: /ignore helps :-)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:00:06 < FreezingCold> Jurika: get your panties out of a bunch, it was four lines
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:00:20 < ohsix> slee: anyways you generally don't call malloc, or if you do, not at runtime
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:00:22 < FreezingCold> You would have saved a massive three lines if I used pasteline
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:00:32 < slee> Jurika: now if you get mail with barcodes down the left edge of the page, you'll know why they're there
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:00:33 < ohsix> just say you will next time
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:00:36 < FreezingCold> ohsix: in what file?
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:00:37 < xtalmath> every school uses digital slides
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:00:41 < FreezingCold> ohsix: fine, next time
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:01:10 < electrostatic> FreezingCold: could it be missing a library?
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:01:11 < ohsix> FreezingCold: in the objects, that's the linking phase; you aren't linking to the library that has _USBDeviceTasks in it (or, including the .c module that does, in your project)
2014-04.log:2014-04-05T15:01:47 < FreezingCold> How can I find which file the problem occured in?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:01:56 < drac_boy> ohsix..problem is many thin clients don't even know how to accept a data card whether its minipci or cardbus form
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:41:27 < Polesch> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:41:39 < MasterAccurate> Polesch, I think I have send you a lot of work :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:41:56 < MasterAccurate> with the parts ;)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:42:02 < electrostatic> you are going from .7 to 2.6hz cuttoff
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:42:04 < electrostatic> http://sim.okawa-denshi.jp/en/CRtool.php
2014-04.log-2014-04-05T15:42:51 < MasterAccurate> nice calculator electrostatic :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T00:23:19 < ziikutv1> Hi guys
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:46:58 < clever> hfc upstream?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:02 < JFK911> yeah reverse channel
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:04 < JFK911> like a cablemodem
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:47:12 < FreezingCold> my god minivan drivers the worst
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:17 < ohsix> qam bam thank you mam
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:22 < JFK911> that doesnt happen when you are served by an ont
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:47:30 < FreezingCold> they go at like 10 km/h and get mad when you go in front of them
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:32 < BrightCloud> are mosfets street legal
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:53 < JFK911> (i deployed one with special equipment from the settop maker, basically looked like a coax to ethernet bridge)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:47:59 < clever> JFK911: from what i have figured out, the ONC provides the tv as multicast rtp packets on a dedicated VLAN
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:48:07 < clever> the router then bridges the multicast segment into the main lan, and the HPNA is joined with the ethernet lan
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:48:09 < ohsix> people don't usually drive a minivan by choice, they usually have kids to move
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:48:17 < FreezingCold> BrightCloud: only if you don't get caught ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:48:21 < clever> JFK911: thats exactly what the STB is acting as
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:48:32 < FreezingCold> ohsix: well I thought it would be ruder to say "parent drivers the worst"
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:48:36 < FreezingCold> ...because they are :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:48:51 < JFK911> clever: many systems (i dont know yours) deliver tv on qams
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:48:57 < JFK911> clever: simple am fiber
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T03:49:06 < FreezingCold> They're so frigging indecisive
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:49:08 < JFK911> very cheap to turn it back to coax at the ont
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:49:08 < clever> JFK911: nope, this one is clearly rtp/mpegts sent over multicast udp
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T03:49:24 < clever> JFK911: i can join the multicast group from any desktop/laptop, and they dos my wifi with it :P
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:32:34 < ohsix> magic ACIIIIIIIIIIIID
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:32:53 < FreezingCold> my god PIC's USB library is so complicated
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:32:58 < FreezingCold> jesus christ
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:08 < ohsix> usb is, no u r
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:41  * LeelooMinai sighs
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:46 < JFK911> HackTool:Win32/KeyGen
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:52 < JFK911> heh gogo microsoft security
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:57 < JFK911> block the keygen for your own product
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:33:59 < LeelooMinai> Damn, those Llinux cnc guys have strange ides about controlling cnc machines
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:34:20 < FreezingCold> JFK911: isn't that good for them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:34:34 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pack it with some random packer and it'll go away
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:34:40 < FreezingCold> if it's not a popular one anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:34:44 < Kevin`> LeelooMinai: how so?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:35:07 < Seeker`> Oscillate: what do you reckon the odds are that replacing that diode / the blown cap will fix it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:35:43 < LeelooMinai> Well, they still use parallel ports mainly, and fighs with all sorts of latency issues on OS level... that's just wrong... The real time stuff should be done outside of the PC, and PC should do the processing part
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:37:16 < LeelooMinai> I am describing how LiinuxCNC does things. Not sure what you are talking about now...
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:37:30 < intranick> wine in a whiskey glass... i'm sooo fucking classy
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:37:59 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it allowed me to "allow" it.  So i installed the keygen as a service!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:38:19 < LeelooMinai> Their "loop" of controling CNC machines is stepper drivers -> simple break out board -> parallel port
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:38:19 < FreezingCold> JFK911: what keygen?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:38:30 < JFK911> the windows/office keygen
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:38:39 < FreezingCold> why not use a legal key?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:38:45 < JFK911> i dont possess any
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:38:55 < FreezingCold> I must be using the same key on like four machines or something lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:38:57 < JFK911> and i certainly wont buy one for testing
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:39:16 < FreezingCold> yeah I use office 2010 to test formatting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:39:26 < LeelooMinai> And then they do crazy things to disable everything on the PC - multithreding, cores, power features, etc. and have long discussions on what latencies they get
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:39:40 < LeelooMinai> It's just messed up
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:40:22 < ohsix> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/hal/intro.html#_hardware_drivers_a_id_sub_hardwaredrivers_a ????????????????
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:30 < ohsix> DanDare: and change pretty greatly with temperature
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:31 < HTT-Bird> (as well as capacitor tolerances)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:35 < DanDare> *in monostably
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:53:41 < FreezingCold> AWWWWWWW
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:53:45 < FreezingCold> sprunge blocked my script!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:47 < HTT-Bird> I'd use a clocked approach to generate a 3min long pulse
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:47 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: isn't that always the problem though?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:49 < DanDare> thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:53:55 < FreezingCold> I used to be able to upload binary data :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:53:59 < ohsix> DanDare: use a divider
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:53:59 < FreezingCold> jerks
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:54:06 < JFK911> DanDare: it will be better if you got a watch crystal and counted its vibrations until you reached 5898240
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:54:06 < DanDare> I see ohsix, it dont need to be very accurate
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:54:36 < JFK911> DanDare: don't you have an old digital watch you can take the crystal from?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:54:56 < DanDare> JFK911, i dont :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:08 < DanDare> I will try that HTT-Bird
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:55:19 < FreezingCold> Can a USB HID host be receiving only, or must it send data?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:55:22 < FreezingCold> just wondering for a sniffer
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:28 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you literally do not, from the statements you've made you demonstrated that you only know a charicature of someone who uses linuxcnc and the parallel port, and everything you said that followed was literally true
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:29 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Seems like the real problem is that you _think_ I don't know what I am talking about and feel a need to voice it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:41 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: you seem to doubt that everyone knows the parallel port is shit, too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:50 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: how many cnc integrations have you done
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:55:58 < JFK911> wow the charger machine repaired another NiMH cell that initially measured 1 mAh capacity
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:56:02 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: generally, it has to send back on EP0
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:15 < ohsix> everyone knows the parallel port is shit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:20 < HTT-Bird> you can't have a true listener-only USB device due to descriptors, and this is doubly true for HID
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:29 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I am not talking about any particular people. I am talking about LinuxCNC as software and how it stays in old days of doing things.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:31 < ohsix> you're talking about a group of people and calling them idiots and saying they don't know something
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:31 < HTT-Bird> as HID brings its own descriptors to the party
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:56:33 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:34 < ohsix> no, you are
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:45 < ohsix> ther eis no 'old days of doing things', it HAS A PARALLEL PORT DRIVER, AND MANY MORE
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:56:55 < ohsix> linuxcnc IS the controller
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:58:55 < ohsix> r.pi is worse than a pc
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:58:58 < DanDare> stop being classist :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:59:22 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I don't really care about your musings about concensus:) I am just voicing my opinion on this abuse of old PCs as controllers.
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T05:59:43 < FreezingCold> ohsix: agreed
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:59:44 < HTT-Bird> ohsix: what would you use? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:59:44 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: then you've never touched, been near, or operated a cnc
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T05:59:46 < LeelooMinai> It's wrong, and telling me that many people do it, won't change that opionion.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T06:39:24 < electrostatic> everyone has a right to sell things.  It's just a shame people are stupid enough to buy it.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T06:39:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Dr. Dre is great at commercializing rap gangsterism
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T06:40:20 < FreezingCold> he hasn't done an album in what, a decade?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T06:40:25 < HTT-Bird> intranick: junk your mainstream rap silliness. :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T06:40:38  * HTT-Bird spins some classic Ministry for a change of pace
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T06:41:18 < FreezingCold> You know what's funny, "Beats by Dr. Dre" completely switched their manufacturing and engineering team and NOBODY NOTICED
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T06:41:23 < FreezingCold> that's how generic they are
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T06:42:27 < JFK911> FreezingCold: but he was never a gangster
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T06:43:21 < Hodapp> I wouldn't exactly write off the entire genre because of what's popular
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T06:44:49 < R0b0t1> They also suck
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:41:35 < HTT-Bird> ohsix: yeah, either way of getting to the conclusion works :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:44:20 < FreezingCold> Anyone here ever used PIC's USB library?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:46:53 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I read through it seriously considering usage.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:46:59 < R0b0t1> There's no reason not to use it.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:47:08 < R0b0t1> Probably reasons to use it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:47:13 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: oh god can you please help me set it up? 0.0
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:47:25 < FreezingCold> The amount of documentation is murdering me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:47:47 < R0b0t1> Get used to it, I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:48:01 < R0b0t1> if you have a specific question I could maybe help (but probably not)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:55:23 < ohsix> wubba lubba dub dub
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:56:08 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: okay so did you install the MLA?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:56:44 < Haffa> With logic design, when we have a don't care condition, how is this dealt with when trying to create a boolean equation or get it working on a multiplexer? I heard that taking the next result of the function in place of the don't care condition is what you could possibly do. Is this correct?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:57:36 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Probably not, no idea what that means
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:57:37 < electrostatic> HTT-Bird: I mean there is a reason the characteristic impedance of a "lumped model" transmission line and a butterworth filter with the same L an C are equal, right?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:57:45 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: You're still asking metaquestions though
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:57:48 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/devtools/mla/
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:58:06 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: basically I had a hell of a time trying to include everything
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T07:58:09  * R0b0t1 readies stabbing knife and looks at FreezingCold 
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:58:16 < R0b0t1> Yeah, I have that
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:58:24 < HTT-Bird> electrostatic: because its the same set of lumped parts :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T07:58:32 < ohsix> Haffa: don't care usually means it's moot; you can put whatever there, but it won't have any bearing on the result
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:05:14 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: their sample projects have a freaking million different files in them
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:05:22 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: their IDE has a nice simulator
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:05:29 < FreezingCold> works great for ICD too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:06:45 < electrostatic> HTT-Bird: It isn't invalid. It;s the same math underlying it all.  I do not expect you to beleive me, but it is.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:07:19 < electrostatic> The "bassband ripple" in non butterworth filters is caused by the reflections
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:10:52 < ohsix> i liked chubby anna kendrick more than the new one
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:11:29 < ohsix> electrostatic: if you have a complex impedance you're hooking up to, sure; but why would you do that?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:11:51 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: But you have to run their IDE. I don't really like that. It's a pretty shit workflow.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:11:52 < electrostatic> the pickups themselves have complex impedance.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:11:54 < Haffa> anyone else have any input in regards to don't care conditions and multiplexers?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:12:06 < electrostatic> I was looking up the sepcs, they have henrys of inductacne
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:12:18 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: what's your workflow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:12:20 < electrostatic> and 8k coils worth of arbitrary capacitance
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:12:24 < R0b0t1> Haffa: Those words in that configuration do not immediately constrain any possible question I can think of
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:12:24 < R0b0t1> so
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:39:01 < electrostatic> well, if not, they are addinc dc resistance
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:39:09 < electrostatic> above what the wires give
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:39:19 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: when you did Microchip's USB library, did they have a million different files?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:41:47 < electrostatic> anyway, ill look at that again.  nap time right now
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:42:05 < FreezingCold> What do you think this line does?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:42:05 < FreezingCold> extern volatile CTRL_TRF_SETUP SetupPkt;
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:43:26 < Casper> electrostatic: or use even smaller one
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:43:58  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:43:59 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold:  It references externally defined value. Marked as volatile so presumably it can be modified at random times
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:44:03 < FreezingCold> I can't build this damn thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:44:16 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:44:28 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: mfw
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:44:49 < R0b0t1> It declares an extern volatile variable SetupPkt of type CRTL_TRF_SETUP
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:45:01 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: were you able to add all the headers externally...?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:45:11 < ohsix> oooh volatile again
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:45:25 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/BURL
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:45:31 < ohsix> FreezingCold: read this http://blog.regehr.org/archives/28
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:45:38 < FreezingCold> that's with extern volatile CTRL_TRF_SETUP SetupPkt; commented out
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:47:51 < ohsix> FreezingCold: that's still just missing symbols
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:47:56 < FreezingCold> oh really?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:48:04 < FreezingCold> so I've just forgotten a file
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:48:05 < ohsix> what documentation / quick start guide are you using?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:48:05 < FreezingCold> that's not too bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:48:11 < FreezingCold> ohsix: hahaha documentation?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:48:14 < FreezingCold> are you kidding me?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:48:17 < FreezingCold> microchip says fuck that!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:48:30 < ohsix> you probably have to define usbdeviceinit/attach
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:48:36 < ohsix> eh, no they don't :<
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:49:07 < FreezingCold> an "intro to USB devices" would have been nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:49:11 < ohsix> are you using the host stack or the device stack
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:49:27 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean having read through the source files it really looked like you were supposed to copy them to your project
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:49:34 < FreezingCold> i did
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:49:36 < R0b0t1> and not dick around with a lot of header shenanigans
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:49:39 < FreezingCold> ohsix: device
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:49:40 < R0b0t1> I see
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:49:58 < FreezingCold> hold on, lemme try something..
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:50:32 < ohsix> https://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en-us/technology/usb/gettingstarted.html ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:51:20 < FreezingCold> ohsix: sure, I can compile their stock project
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:51:24 < FreezingCold> for their stock chip
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:51:32 < ohsix> n
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:51:37 < FreezingCold> but I actually want it in my own projects you know?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:51:41 < ohsix> did you get that 30mb of documentation
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:52:52 < ohsix> help_mla_usb.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:53:00 < FreezingCold> yeah I already have it downloaded
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:54:16 < ohsix> heh they reference youtube videos, nice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:56:34 < ohsix> pharrell has awesome hats
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:58:36 < FreezingCold> hehhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:59:14  * Casper throws FreezingCold near where my father live
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:59:22 < Casper> they do need some cold now..
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:59:27 < crash91> hello.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:59:31 < Casper> the river is overflowing due to the heat
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T08:59:40 < Casper> o/
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T08:59:58 < FreezingCold> oh I didn't include usb_ch9.h
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:00:04 < crash91> I'm looking a bit of help with OFDM, I know this may not be the correct place?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:00:37 < FreezingCold> OFDM?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:00:46 < FreezingCold> isn't that the open source something something simulation?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:00:52 < FreezingCold> lol nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:00:53 < crash91> Orthogonal Frequency Divison Multiplexing. lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:00:59 < FreezingCold> yeah here's the right place
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:01:03 < FreezingCold> ohsix: you take this one
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:01:12  * Casper passes
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:01:57 < FreezingCold> fuck same error still
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:02:20 < crash91> it's more theoretical really, I'm still confused as to why an IFFT is used in the Tx block
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:02:42 < crash91> I've been scouring the web, only to find vague explanations about it
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:04:19 < FreezingCold> ohsix: move that dope
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:05:52 < ohsix> FreezingCold: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/MCHPFSUSB_FW_UG_51679a.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:05:52 < crash91> erm, anywhere else I can go for help with communications engineering stuff?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:06:44 < FreezingCold> ohsix: thanks. It's changed though
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:06:46 < ohsix> crash91: do you have a diagram that you're looking at?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:06:51 < FreezingCold> crash91: again, here is probably the place
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:06:54 -!- water is now known as hoverboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:07:18 < crash91> ohsix: yes, the block diagram in wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFDM#Idealized_system_model
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:08:33 < Jan-> VEGAS BABY!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:08:50 < FreezingCold> Jan-: are you in vegas?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:08:50 < crash91> ohsix: what I've understood so far is that the IFFT block helps us eliminate the use of N different signal mixers, and instead using the properties of IFFT multiplies all the input symbols by their respective orthogonal carriers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:09:22 < Jan-> FreezingCold: Yuppers
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:09:28  * Jan- has eaten way too much food
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:09:29  * Jan- bloats
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:09:32 < FreezingCold> Jan-: nicee, what for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:09:34 < Jan-> *belch*
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:09:35 < FreezingCold> DEFCON?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:09:39 < crash91> ohsix: I'm not sure that's correct though, and the DAC and quadrature mixing blocks are confusing me as well.
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:09:50 < Jan-> FreezingCold: big film and TV trade show.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:09:57 < Jan-> Getting here was hell but it's been awesome so far
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:01 < MjrTom> Jan-, you're in the states?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:08 < Jan-> MjrTom: Wait let me check
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:10:12 < FreezingCold> Jan-: did you have sex with customs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:13 < Jan-> yes yes that's a sidewalk out there
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:18 < R0b0t1> Jan-: >is on vacation
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:23 < R0b0t1> Jan-: >on irc
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:10:23 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: hmm, is there a way to compile the headers first?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:28 < MjrTom> no sidewalks in England?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:10:31 < FreezingCold> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m460370-p2.aspx
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:10:40 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: The headers usually shouldn't contain code, so no...
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:46 < MjrTom> Well, welcome to the United States of Mexico Jan- :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:10:57 < Jan-> yeehaw
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:02 < ohsix> crash91: i don't know about eliminate, but that sounds fine, the carrier isn't orthogonal, the two complex parts are
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:05 < Jan-> in england they're footpaths
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:17 < MjrTom> hmm ic I didnt know that
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:22  * Jan- wishes it were a vacation :/
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:11:31 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Are they not using guards or something?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:38 < MjrTom> what work are you doing in lv?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:11:43 < MjrTom> or is it your BFs work?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:13 < Jan-> I'm here for my work
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:14 < Jan-> well
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:21 < Jan-> they paid for my flights and so I have to do a few things for them :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:12:21 < FreezingCold> Jan-: you're gay?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:30 < Jan-> huh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:32 < MjrTom> lol what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:12:34 < FreezingCold> [02:11:16] <MjrTom> or is it your BFs work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:46 < MjrTom> and?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:12:47 < ohsix> FreezingCold is projecting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:12:56 < R0b0t1> ohsix is projecting
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:01 < Jan-> FreezingCold: it's short for Janine
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:04 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1 is projecting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:05 < R0b0t1> I'm projecting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:17 < R0b0t1> projeception
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:20 < FreezingCold> Jan-: oh, you're transexual? That's cool, didn't know
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:21  * LeelooMinai puts everyone into a projector
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:36 < FreezingCold> I'm not one to judge :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:38 < FreezingCold> do what makes you happy
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:38 < MjrTom> LeelooMinai is a projectionist :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:40 < Jan-> FreezingCold: If I'd chosen this name, I'd have chosen another name :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:42 < ohsix> her skin is also blue
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:13:47 < crash91> ohsix: alright, so what's happening is input symbol goes into IFFT, we get a time domain signal out which is basically the input signal modulated onto a subcarrier right? why the DAC after this? why another quadrature mixer?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:13:59 < FreezingCold> Jan-: do you prefer being called he or her now?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:14:22 < Jan-> has someone made sure that FreezingCold is taking his tablets as instructed
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:14:30 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: This is going to end bad for you:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:14:31 < FreezingCold> why would I eat a tablet?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:14:46 < FreezingCold> I can't even fit something that big in my mouth
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:14:49 < ohsix> crash91: how would you do an ifft post dac and generate the quadrature channels?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:14:50  * FreezingCold sets somebody up for a joke
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:15:05 < MjrTom> somebody sent us up the bomb
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:15:17 < ohsix> FreezingCold: that is way inappropriate, worry about your own sexual organs
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:15:18 < Jan-> ground control to MjrTom  :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:15:32 < FreezingCold> ohsix: okay :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:15:37 < MjrTom> send me up a drink!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:15:40  * LeelooMinai renames ohsix to mrappropriate
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:15:41 < FreezingCold> Jan-: I'm sorry for getting so personal there
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:15:56 < FreezingCold> Jan-: I'm sure you and your BF are very happy with the way you are now
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:16:01 < FreezingCold> :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:16:35 < MjrTom> thats kinda creepy, you know
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:16:52 < Jan-> whhat is
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:16:59 < MjrTom> FreezingCold is
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:00 < ohsix> crash91: the symbol rate forthe qam(or whatever) inputs are lower than the ofdm symbol rate
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:03 < LeelooMinai> creepy is what creepy does
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:17:12 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: gee, take a joke
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:16 < LeelooMinai> Or creeper?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:17:20 < FreezingCold> I'm implying there can't be any natural females online
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:32 < ohsix> i think you have it mostly right though
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:40 < MjrTom> 'o.o
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:17:46 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai is really a 250 pound black male with amazing photoshop skills
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:17:48 < ohsix> if theree were you'd never know
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:17:52 < FreezingCold> or should LeelooMinai be asian?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:01 < ohsix> crash91: i think you have it mostly right though
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:10 < LeelooMinai> 250 pund is new 150 pund
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:23 < MjrTom> idk where youve been, but Ive know a whole lot of girls online, including on IRC
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:38 < ohsix> right around the orbit of the eye in the skull
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:40 < auxy> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:18:50 < cerberii> hi
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:18:54 < auxy> [01:17:16] <FreezingCold> I'm implying there can't be any natural females online
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:18:57 < Jan-> FreezingCold: you do know that that sort of stuff isn't even offensive anymore, it's just boring :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:06 < crash91> ohsix: im still a bit confused, if we get a complex digital time domain output from ifft, then DAC it, that should be enough right? i.e. we would get an analog time domain signal, which by nature of ifft would already have all the subcarriers?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:13 < RandomStranger> MjrTom 'Guys that claimed to be girls
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:14 < cerberii> women arn't on the internet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:31 < ohsix> crash91: you still need to put them together with the carrier
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:37 < Casper> and there is no such thing as woman gamer
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:40 < cerberii> at least not any 'real' women.  just post op and preop tranny's
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:19:50 < FreezingCold> see, cerberii is backing me up ont his
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:19:51 < FreezingCold> *on this
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:57 < LeelooMinai> Well, I always kind of wondered how guys want to offend girls on internet by calling them guys - like being a guy was some kind of offence:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:19:57 < Jan-> auxy: I have no idea why anyone would want lady bits, anyway. They hurt. Mine do, anyway. Don't know about yours.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:05 < cerberii> real women are too busy having sex and knitting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:09 < cerberii> not in that order
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:20:16 < FreezingCold> Why not both...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:18 < crash91> ohsix: okay so the "fc" here refers to "center frequency" of the OFDM spectrum then?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:19 < RandomStranger> There is no internet in the kitchen.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:20 < cerberii> possibly multitasking
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:28 < auxy> Jan-: mine don't really! the rest of me does though
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:36 < Jan-> mutter
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:41 < Casper> they don'T multitask, they task switch
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:20:48 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: isn't it better we pretend you're guys instead of making crude sex jokes towards you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:50 < auxy> RandomStranger: do you really think that kind of thing is funny? I'm not offended -- difficult to be offended by kindergarten-level jokes -- but I'm genuinely curious
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:50 < Jan-> mutter
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:20:55 < ohsix> :\
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:21:09 < auxy> FreezingCold: you could pretend to be mature adults and interact with us the way you'd interact with a woman in a professional setting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:21:14 < auxy> which freenode IRC is *supposed* to be
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:21:16 < madist> FreezingCold: grow up
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:21:22 < cerberii> Jan-: could be the surgery that made them hurt, you should of thought about that before cutting your wang off
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:21:31 < FreezingCold> cerberii: alright, we've started a war
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:21:36 < LeelooMinai> People on IRC grow up in their late 60s
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:21:41 < FreezingCold> let's stop before we get slaughtered
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:21:58 < crash91> ohsix: I was confusing it with "carrier frequency", which is what it denotes in other modulation techniques. Also I dont have any issues with the differing symbol/bit rates, just how the actual summed OFDM signal is generated
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:22:04 < ohsix> crash91: in the math section below the diagram: The low-pass signal above can be either real or complex-valued. Real-valued low-pass equivalent signals are typically transmitted at baseband—wireline applications such as DSL use this approach. For wireless applications, the low-pass signal is typically complex-valued; in which case, the transmitted signal is up-converted to a carrier frequency \scriptstyle f_c
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:22:12 < RandomStranger> auxy Yeah, I do not take it the slighiest serious, so I think it's funny. :-)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:22:56 < auxy> walking into a room AND farting
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:22:57 < auxy> and then going
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:01 < auxy> HURR HURR HURR I FARTED
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:23:01 < cerberii> DCC FreezingCold your tit pics for woman status auxy
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:03 < ohsix> once kids get to like 4 they realize the consequences of their actions and try and blame other things
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:05  * Jan- is with auxy on this
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:10 < LeelooMinai> MjrTom: I am a very-not-grown-up person - I openly admit it:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:11 < cerberii> and write 'for #electronics' on a piece of paper and hold it up
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:13 < MjrTom> wo feng pi le
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:14 < ohsix> some people never make it
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T09:23:16 < FreezingCold> no offense, but I don't want to see auxy's tits
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:20  * Casper throws a lite match at auxy 
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:36 < auxy> I'm not especially flammable
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T09:23:45 < crash91> ohsix: oh man, I feel so stupid for having missed that. thanks for your help! I think i got it :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T11:34:50 < JFK911> oh they are irf510's
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T11:34:56 < FreezingCold> hjf: Would you use AB or Omron if the software license was cheaper?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T11:35:04 < Polesch> JFK911, there are many combinations to measure on the socket, which matter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T11:35:36 < JFK911> Polesch: all dc voltages vs ground
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T11:35:41 < JFK911> one of them should be negative, yea?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:53:44 < FreezingCold> interesting, in the USA you can't legally loan software
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:53:48 < FreezingCold> I wonder if it's the same in Canada?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:54:10 < OoTLink> http://imgur.com/0Rs5h3G
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:54:15 < OoTLink> fc: is that for real?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:54:50 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: Yes. http://www.wustl.edu/policies/use_sw.html - "The 1990 modification to the Copyright Law makes it illegal to "loan, lease or rent software" for purposes of direct or indirect commercial advantage without the specific permission of the copyright holder. "
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:54:59 < OoTLink> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:55:04 < OoTLink> .. so redbox renting games is illegal
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:55:05 < OoTLink> go figure
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:55:15 < JFK911> redbox probably has licence
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:55:50 < FreezingCold> yeah they most likely have permission of the copyright holder I tihnk
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:55:51 < FreezingCold> *think
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:55:56 < OoTLink> you know what;s awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:12 < OoTLink> this dude posted on the internet about how he figured out that the 4 pin diagnostic port in his tesla is an ethernet interface
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:18 < OoTLink> and he 'hacked it' to work with his computer
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:20 < OoTLink> soooo
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:56:40 < FreezingCold> I kinda expected that to already be a thing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:45 < JFK911> 'hacked it'
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:46 < JFK911> more like
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:56:50 < OoTLink> http://jalopnik.com/the-tesla-model-s-is-basically-a-good-looking-it-depart-1558372928
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:05 < ohsix> th epizza would be fuckedin that display box
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:57:08 < FreezingCold> I doubt Tesla cared about locking the diag ports down
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:21 < ohsix> i hacked a light switch a few minutes ago
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:22 < JFK911> i think they did
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:22 < OoTLink> "I explained it was me because I tried to connect the diagnosis port to get some useful data (speed, power, etc...). They told me it can be related to industrial espionage and advised me to stop investigation, to not void the warranty...."
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:32 < Triffid_Hunter> I think it would be a frankly daft move to lock diag down
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:57:39 < FreezingCold> lol they're running Ubuntu?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:41 < OoTLink> they're claiming it's industrial espionage to do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:41 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:57:50 < OoTLink> eg threatening legal action
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:58:49 < Triffid_Hunter> if I'm ever in a position where folks give a shit what I think, I'm going to adamantly maintain that we should never limit what a sufficiently knowledgeable (authenticated) user can do just because we can't imagine them wanting to do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:58:50 < OoTLink> you're commiting industrial espionage
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:58:54 < OoTLink> YOU SHOULD GO TO JAILL!!!!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:58:55 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: that's just their legal department talking
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:59:03 < FreezingCold> their legal department has nothing to do with the real company
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:05 < OoTLink> fc : that alone imho says a lot about the kinda people they hire
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:06 < OoTLink> (retards)
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:12 < ohsix> stop 'to not void the warranty'
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:59:25 < FreezingCold> american companies always have retarded legal teams, because they have to deal with retarded legal stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:36 < OoTLink> I dunno
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:38 < OoTLink> I liked them a lot
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:59:39 < FreezingCold> [05:53:17] <FreezingCold> interesting, in the USA you can't legally loan software
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:59:42 < FreezingCold> remember that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:42 < OoTLink> and was riding the tesla love wagon
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:46 < OoTLink> (except for liking more manly looking cars)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T12:59:49 < FreezingCold> yeah, the BS laws of the USA as usual
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:53 < OoTLink> until that .now I would rather have a uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T12:59:55 < OoTLink> I dunno. lada
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:00:14 < ohsix> you know you couldn't do it before that law in the 90s either
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:39 < _abc_> Triffid_Hunter: It would be criminal if it would be open source
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:40 < OoTLink> I agree 1000%
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:45 < JFK911> and possibly state laws
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T13:01:45 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: you can break the EULA legally
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:46 < OoTLink> it should be open source
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:47 < ohsix> lel
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:58 < OoTLink> fc: and then end up with a paper weight
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T13:01:58 < FreezingCold> EULA's are never legally binding
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:01:59 < ohsix> too bad no car company owns most of their firmware
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:02:00 < Triffid_Hunter> I sincerely believe that failing to open source automotive firmware should assign liability to the company in the event of an accident that can't be unarguably attributed to dangerous driving
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T13:02:15 < skyroveRR> Hello, is it ok to connect an HD44780 LCD panel to LPT cable, and from LPT cable to USB? I have a router that only has a USB port, and not an LPT port..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:12:00 < OoTLink> it's more like
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:12:07 < Triffid_Hunter> _abc_: the bigger companies pay both the same last time I checked
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:12:10 < OoTLink> those stations are both ratings whores made to please their viewership
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:12:22 < JFK911> i went to australia once, and the biggest news there for a week was a football player banging his teammates wife in the john.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:12:30 < OoTLink> and at the same time fill their heads with whatever the corporate world wants them to think yes xD
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:13:59 < OoTLink> but it's ethnical so it's a perfect fit for filling the minds of public radio listeners
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:14:05 < OoTLink> there's a different flavor of bullshit for everyone
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:14:09 < ohsix> ldunn: there are some good people here though, and occasionally you can tell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:14:25 < gde33> a few good apples
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T14:56:57  * ketas notices FreezingCold 
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T14:57:05 < FreezingCold> it's 8am
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T14:57:07 < FreezingCold> I should go to bed
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T14:57:09 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T14:57:11 < FreezingCold> goodnight
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:59:29 < JFK911> yeah if you have a choice avoid sony optical anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T14:59:46 < _abc_> http://jalopnik.com/5899946/watch-bill-cosby-explain-fords-sneaky-squeak-test what was the squeak problem really? Springs? Plastic rubbing on plastic?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:07:34 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:07:35  * FreezingCold rages
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:07:47 < Haffa> FreezingCold: mate, you still having issues?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:07:48 < sabotender> JFK911: all I know is that I had to wire her to her own speaker
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:09 < sabotender> from the preamp that is under my passenger seat
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:28 < _abc_> JFK911: The Datsun has a compass?!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:31 < _abc_> Haha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:38 < JFK911> _abc_: the 300zx has a vfd compass
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:08:39 < FreezingCold> Haffa: so a girl last night gave me a sex call that I couldn't make (no way of getting there). She apologized  this morning because she thought I was rejecting her...
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:08:41  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:43 < sabotender> _abc_: some models do
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:50 < _abc_> Flux Gate?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:54 < JFK911> _abc_: accellerometer too
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:08:56 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: your fault
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:08:58 < _abc_> Heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:09:04 < _abc_> Interesting doodahs for a car
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:09:05 < JFK911> i think its driven from the speedometer actually
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:05 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: I know =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:09 < FreezingCold> I need a car and my own place
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:22 < nathan7> FreezingCold: well, tell her you totally would've but you just couldn't make it
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:09:23 < nathan7> ie the truth
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:32 < FreezingCold> nathan7: that sounds creepy
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:34 < FreezingCold> she was drunk
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:09:44 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: only valid reason to say no to offer like that is when you know she has STDs
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:01 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: or you know, I'd have to walk 20km+ at midnight
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:06 < jacekowski> nah
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:10 < _abc_> FreezingCold: taxi
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:12 < jacekowski> taxis and stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:14 < FreezingCold> _abc_: didn't have the cash
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:21 < _abc_> You can say 'she was not worth $50 for the taxi' eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:27 < _abc_> But that sounds...
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:28 < _abc_> ow
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:30 < FreezingCold> I only had $35 on me
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:31 < nathan7> FreezingCold: still the truth
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:36 < sabotender> FreezingCold: about sex again?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:36 < FreezingCold> nathan7: but...
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:41 < FreezingCold> sabotender: yep, same girl
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:42 < joga> ...come ON
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:10:43 < nathan7> FreezingCold: she knows she was drunk just as well as you
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:50 < sabotender> cold shower
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:10:55 < sabotender> go lift weights
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:11:06 < FreezingCold> mannnn, I should have gone and asked for money to get home
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:11:18 < FreezingCold> that seems to be crossing the dirtbag line though
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:31 < joga> go meet her today
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:32 < Haffa> what would be the best ad-hoc method of running a car sub and speaker system without using an actual head unit?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:33 < nathan7> or, y'know, wake up there the next morning
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:34 < _abc_> http://gizmodo.com/5914049/make-your-own-custom-discs-for-fisher-prices-iconic-toy-record-player JFK911 just in case you want to update the voice
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:11:43 < FreezingCold> nathan7: heh, I'd get kicked out of my house
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:43 < _abc_> JFK911: pretty sure it is not the same disk, but it's an idea
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:11:48 < madist> wait are we discussing our sex lives today ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:11:50 < nathan7> FreezingCold: why?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:11:59 < FreezingCold> nathan7: religious parents
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2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:06 < FreezingCold> still in college and they're paying
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:06 < joga> madist, just FreezingCold's lack of one
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:09 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:12 < nathan7> FreezingCold: ah, you live with them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:16 < FreezingCold> sadly
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:12:19 < JFK911> _abc_: haha i think we had one of those
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:12:20 < madist> oh. I was going to tell you my story :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:12:30 < _abc_> JFK911: I had a laughing toy which used a disk like that
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:32 < FreezingCold> joga: IT'S RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF ME
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:33 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what religion?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:35 < FreezingCold> SOOOO CLOOSEEEE
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:48  * nathan7 hugs FreezingCold 
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:12:51 < FreezingCold> JFK911: hardcore conservative christian
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:12:52 < madist> sex!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:13:18 < joga> would they disown you if you had sex before marriage
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:13:22 < JFK911> FreezingCold: any specific flavor?  like baptist?
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:13:25 < joga> and used contraception
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:13:38 < FreezingCold> joga: Yeah. Luckily they don't know a lot about my personal life
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:13:51 < joga> that's so sick
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:17 < FreezingCold> I think my mother thinks I might have been banging one of my short term high school girlfriend's, but she has the wrong one
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:20 < FreezingCold> so there's nothing to find there lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:14:23 < JFK911> heh
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:26 < FreezingCold> so no evolution, no alcohol, no sex before marriage
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:14:34 < Haffa> I was thinking maybe getting a second hand receiver and trying to run it off that
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:14:36 < _abc_> JFK911: Something like this but iirc it was inside a monkey or such https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachsack
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:37 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pentecostal
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:14:39 < JFK911> no alcohol is ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:45 < FreezingCold> fuck no it isn't!
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:14:48 < FreezingCold> I like my booz
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:14:56 < JFK911> yeah it only is going to cause you problems.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:15:06 < JFK911> you want to end up like thebear??
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:15:25 < FreezingCold> maybe if I wasn't so stressed out about missing all the fun times that literally walk up to me...
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:15:31 < sabotender> JFK911: the voice messaging system is located above and behind the ECU in the passenger kick panel
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:15:36 < sabotender> hidden by insulation
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:15:43 < JFK911> sabotender: oh ok, then it must be by the shock in the 280zx
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:16:01 < JFK911> so i was near it when the VFD dimmer broke
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:16:07 < sabotender> madist: I do not.
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:16:09 < JFK911> sabotender: you know there is a flashing lamp on the ecu?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:16:13 < madist> sabotender: FreezingCold does!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:16:23 < sabotender> madist: I am not exactly people-friendly.
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:16:26 < FreezingCold> not nearly enough
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:16:41 < sabotender> JFK911: yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:16:45 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i understand why you want to drink
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:16:55 < FreezingCold> and that is...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:03 < JFK911> FreezingCold: family etc
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:06 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:07 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:15 < FreezingCold> I thought you were going to provide some massive insight to my life :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:22 < madist> FreezingCold: get a meat cleaver and hack your parents to death!
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:17:26 < JFK911> oh here it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:17:32 < JFK911> hemp not etoh !!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:35 < FreezingCold> madist: na, they're not horrible people
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:38 < FreezingCold> just horrible parents :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-06T15:17:44 < FreezingCold> there's a big difference
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:18:46 < joga> same solution
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T15:18:46 < madist> I bought some red LEDs and they're so dim that when I solder them next to some other (different batch, high efficiency) red LEDs they can hardly be seen.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T16:44:56 < vetch> I've found weird stuff being thrown out that's probably quite valuable to someone. bits of lab equipment I'm sure we're worth thousands just sitting on the side of the road.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-06T16:45:04 < slee> vetch: some aspects of the usa seem to be decidedly non-first-world
2014-04.log-2014-04-06T16:45:13 < slee> treatment of military veterans for example
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:41:52 < firelegend> looks like no dice, the "latest" CM for S2 is CM9 from 2012
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:42:03 < rigid> but only once for every phone... after that, updates will get smoothly.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:42:34 < rigid> firelegend: there surely are CM11 for S2, just not official. You can try but expect strange stuff.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:43:03 < rigid> I used unofficial CM9 for the Ace without problems while the latest official was CM7 for that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:45:41 < rigid> trying to upgrade this box to mint qiana without fresh install now... if i'm parting, i'm screwed. wish me luck.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:46:00 < rigid> i wish debian-based distros would be a bit more like gentoo :-P
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:46:18 < FreezingCold> I think we should all use portage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:46:26 < firelegend> When you think about it, I need an upgrade of the phone itself :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:46:28 < rigid> word up
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:46:41 < drac_boy> sorry to be bit ot but any of you know what freescale i.MX* cpu performance are like?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:46:48 < FreezingCold> hey what's it called when you have a zoom tool that zooms anything under your mouse?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:47:01 < FreezingCold> I'm giving a presentation on a few programs tomorrow and you can't see shit from far away
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:01 < rigid> well, the S2 is still nice.. i'm not the "buy-a-new-phone-every-year" guy... electronic waste sucks
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:03 < upgrdman_> quiana == beta?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:14 < firelegend> I am not either.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:22 < drac_boy> just curious how it compares to others in general
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:47:24 < rigid> FreezingCold: magnifier?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:26 < firelegend> The S2 will turn 2 years old for me in 2 months
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:47:42 < FreezingCold> rigid: thank you I don't know why that was such a hard word to think of lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:47:42 < rigid> upgrdman_: yeah... but trusty will be released in a few days
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:48:12 < rigid> FreezingCold: i wouldn't blame you, i have the same problem often ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:48:33 < rigid> ...iirc qiana is scheduled for may
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:48:44 < firelegend> rigid:Though for me, the reason I can't upgrade as often is budget.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:48:46 < rigid> so... let's hope for the best
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:49:01 < firelegend> Back when I bought the S2 it was already a year old.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:49:21 < rigid> firelegend: that's a good reason not to throw money at hw-manufacturers... the longer you wait, the more you get for the buck
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:49:28 < upgrdman_> i wonder when/if mate will do hidpi
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:49:31 < FreezingCold> Anyone want to give me an S2?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:49:36 < FreezingCold> I'm using a damn Windows phone
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:49:40 < FreezingCold> Windows 7 no less
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:49:46 < FreezingCold> it's horrible
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:49:55 < rigid> firelegend: that's the best age for a phone to buy. prices drop a lot shortly after the release
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:49:59 < rigid> imho
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:05 < FreezingCold> uh, me?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:05 < firelegend> freezingcold: flash a custom rom *giggles*
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:12 < FreezingCold> firelegend: *sigh*
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:13 < rigid> lol... windows phone :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:21 < FreezingCold> I miss my htc incredible
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:23 < FreezingCold> I still have it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:32 < firelegend> Yeah, HTC are good.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:34 < rigid> htc's are nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:41 < FreezingCold> it was on a old legacy network and I had unlimited free data without any plan lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:44 < firelegend> I've never owned one, but their interfaces are snappy
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:51 < FreezingCold> but a few months ago they blocked it off their network :'(
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:53 < firelegend> motion looks really fluid and so on
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:50:56 < FreezingCold> was pretty said
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:50:58 < rigid> the samsung s3 is such a beast compared to the galaxy S... quadcore and shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:12 < firelegend> actually I do have the ability to upgrade to an S3
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:22 < firelegend> but considering the S5 is releasing in 4 days..
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:51:36 < FreezingCold> I thought the S5 came out months ago?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:40 < rigid> S3 prices will drop when S5 is released
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:44 < firelegend> it did? Not here.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:48 < firelegend> It said April 11
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:51:49 < rigid> i'd never buy an S5 now...
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:51:56 < FreezingCold> samsung is insane with prices
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:05 < firelegend> I can get an S3 for $150 or less(used of course)
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:06 < rigid> yeah... only apple tops that
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:13 < FreezingCold> was about to mention apple
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:15 < firelegend> Plus for me the first thing I look at is screen size
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:19 < drac_boy> or to put it another way am I buying a decent cpu or basically a high-clocked 16bit cpu?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:23 < FreezingCold> firelegend: it's not always about size
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:27 < FreezingCold> it's about how you use that size
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:42 < firelegend> Ok, let me give you a perspective
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:43 < FreezingCold> but I am happy that I'm >5.5"
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:52:43 < rigid> the good things about used phones is that, if they don't have scratches, they are as good as new :) maybe get a new battery
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:47 < FreezingCold> you wouldn
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:52:54 < FreezingCold> you wouldn't want to go smaller than 5.5" anymore
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:53:00 < firelegend> I coded an Android application on the "tiny" screen of an S2, yup directly on the phone itself.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:53:29 < firelegend> Why? Because I didn't have access to a PC at the time.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:53:36 < firelegend> for several months
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:53:43 < rigid> with small hands you would. the s3 is too big for me.... the ace had the perfect size. If the Galaxy S3 mini would be as powerful as the S3 (CPU & RAM), that would be my first choice
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:53:52 < FreezingCold> honestly we've topped out on Android specs really
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:53:58 < FreezingCold> my N7 runs so smooth
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:54:08 < FreezingCold> until Android demands more, we don't need more
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:54:18 < FreezingCold> higher res is always nice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:54:35 < firelegend> rigid:My hands are small, but the S2's screen size did not complement that at all.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:54:55 < rigid> yeah... they do so much fancy stuff... they should have gotten gingerbread stable/secure imho...
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:54:56 < GPF_1> don't worry about that flicker you just saw, it's me starting up the big PC!
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:55:05 < FreezingCold> Yeah I know some people have difficulty with over 5"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:55:35 < zigggggy> RIGID
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:55:43 < rigid> zigggggy!
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:55:46 < zigggggy> :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:55:50 < GPF_1> as usual, applying update 20,590, please wait!
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:56:11 < FreezingCold> oh come on
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:56:26 < rigid> heh
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:56:26 < FreezingCold> NOBODY has picked up on what I've been implying?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:56:43 < rigid> <- tty1 now
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:56:48 < firelegend> FreezingCold:Not really since we were talking about screen inches
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:56:49 < zigggggy> GPF_1 windows?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:56:52 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: [20140406:195608~]$ wc -l /var/log/pacman.log
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:56:52 < FreezingCold> 27697 /var/log/pacman.log
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:56:57 < firelegend> but now I do
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:14 < zigggggy> install windows 7 from scratch and you will have a ton of updates
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:16 < zigggggy> i think over a gig
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:57:19 < FreezingCold> nearly 30,000 lines of update information
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:57:29 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: dude the freaking base image is 16GB
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:34 < zigggggy> its ridiculous microsoft wont release an update rollup
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:38 < firelegend> Meh, my internet connection would hardly break a sweat
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:43 < firelegend> 50 megabits for $10
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:44 < GPF_1> zigggggy yes,
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:57:44 < FreezingCold> I want to get it down to 3GB
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:57:49 < FreezingCold> firelegend: give me root
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:57:51 < GPF_1> it's wind slop.
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:57:52 < zigggggy> FreezingCold huh?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:58:02 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: like to install win7
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:58:06 < FreezingCold> you need 16GB of disk space
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:12 < zigggggy> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:15 < zigggggy> i dont know
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:17 < zigggggy> i dont remember
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:58:26 < FreezingCold> I do
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:30 < zigggggy> are you suggesting its too much?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:58:34 < FreezingCold> way too much
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:36 < zigggggy> because it really isnt
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:41 < zigggggy> nah, what'sz 16 gigs today?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:58:48 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: ramdisks bro
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:58:50 < zigggggy> maybe if you're still living in 1999
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:59:04 < FreezingCold> I threw Windows XP in a ramdisk for the lawls last night
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:04 < pepsi_>  ziggy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:08 < zigggggy> hi pepsi
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:59:14 < FreezingCold> booted up in 8 seconds stock lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:21 < zigggggy> i dunno, i have an ssd
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:25 < GPF_1> A letter to MS, please, I paid big money for this PC, I want to use it when I turn it on, Thank you.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:27 < pepsi_> my eyes are still smushed from watching tv while lying down so i cant see :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:32 < zigggggy> poor pepsi
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:36 < pepsi_> make it go away
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T02:59:41 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: do you use Windows?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:43 < zigggggy> pepsi take a shower
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T02:59:49 < GPF_1> of course
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:01 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: I'm thinking of selling my Windows desktop
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:04 < FreezingCold> I haven't used it in months
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:00:16 < pepsi_> zigggggy, this girl footsied me, lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:00:17 < GPF_1>  Using linux are we?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:00:18 < zigggggy> windows 7 boots up extremely fast on an ssd.. i have a 256GB samsung 840 pro
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:26 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: how many seconds?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:38 < zigggggy> FreezingCold im not sure, but we're talking about maybe 10
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:39 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: my desktop is an AMD 945, 4GB DDR2 and a GTX 460
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:00:57 < pepsi_> BIOS startup is longer than windows startup lately
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:00:59 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: hmmm, I wonder if I could break 5 seconds with a ramdisk...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:01:02 < pepsi_> gotta use EFI ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:01:07 < zigggggy> FreezingCold, and it would be even faster if it didnt have to initialize all the drivers
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:01:24 < zigggggy> yeah uefi bootup is very fast on my pc
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:01:29 < zigggggy> my monitor doesnt even turn on in time
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:01:58 < zigggggy> windows 7 would boot up even faster if it wasnt initializing usb or something because i see my usb devices being initialized
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:02:16 < zigggggy> not sure what it does
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:02:18 < ohsix> pepsi_: nah heh, you can't; bios needs to probe all storage to get a static list of boot volumes
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:02:21 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: I think it can be disabled, but a huge problem I had with Windows is that it'll hang while it tries to get a network connection
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T03:02:24 < FreezingCold> which is a little wtf
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:02:31 < zigggggy> really?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:02:36 < zigggggy> i havent experienced that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:09:35 < pepsi_> and making overclocking pointless :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:09:40 < zigggggy> and pcie gen 3 and usb3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:09:58 < GPF_1> it seems I am missing the 2N7000 model in the misc folder.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:10:13 < zigggggy> pepsi run cpuz to see which architecture you have
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:10:19 < GPF_1> any of you guys have the most recent LTspice installed?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:20:51 < pepsi_> zigggggy, omg answer my msgs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:21:06 < pepsi_> mostly so i can stop saying /msg zigggggy
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T03:21:41 < r0b-> zigggggy: !
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:01:21 < FreezingCold> jesus christ, I need to take a break from projects
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:01:30 < FreezingCold> I had a dream about a shell terminal
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:02:01 < b0n> mmm, zsh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:02:12 < b0n> did you mosh or tn3270 in?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:02:17 < FreezingCold> b0n: no, a proprietary robot I've been hacking around with
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:02:20 < FreezingCold> it's very annoying
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:02:38 < FreezingCold> I can't move more than one axis at a time
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:03:27 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, I had a problem like that one time, turned out the powersupply was acting strangely under lod
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:03:48 < FreezingCold> it's a software flaw, not a hardware one
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:04:02 < ossifrage> ah, that's what a hardware guy always says
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:04:21 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:04:25 < FreezingCold> na, I've talked about it here a lot
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:04:38 < FreezingCold> it's a bunch of stolen/borrow stuff hacked together and they did a poor job of it
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:05:15 < FreezingCold> anyway I sort of figured out a hacky method behind it
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:05:15 < FreezingCold> but
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:05:19 < ossifrage> In my case we where convinced that it was a software issue and it turned out to be inrush current, taught me the lesson that when in doubt check the easy stuff first
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:05:22 < FreezingCold> I can't use it with vision systems still
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:05:35 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: I can move all the axes if I use their crappy software
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:05:44 < ossifrage> ah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:06:19 < FreezingCold> industrial robots for some reason hate computers
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:06:24 < FreezingCold> they all try to reinvent the wheel
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:06:39 < FreezingCold> they always use these retarded teach pendants
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:07:40 < ossifrage> not as much as the folks that design CNC machines
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:08:02 < FreezingCold> I dunno...
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:08:06 < FreezingCold> It's a pretty close race to the bottom
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:08:07 < ossifrage> fucking PC parallel ports on a thing that was only designed a few years ago, wtf
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:08:24 < FreezingCold> oh lol everything here is still RS232
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:08:25 < ohsix> yummy parallel ports
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:08:26 < ArtyG> ossifrage, hey, if you've got a SuperIO, they're basically free.
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:08:31 < FreezingCold> little better than parallel I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:08:58 < ossifrage> ArtyG, I was more annoyed that they were using a bloody windows box to control it in the first place
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:09:10 < ossifrage> the parallel port was just insult to injury
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:09:36 < ossifrage> a $1 STM32 could have done a better job controlling it then the mess they had
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:10:27 < ArtyG> But but but WINDOWS.
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:10:36 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:10:45 < FreezingCold> ArtyG: you can still use windows
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:10:53 < FreezingCold> get a $4 STM32 with USB
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:11:30 < ossifrage> ah, so I found a better picture: http://pulsedlight3d.com/pl3d/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/MiniModule-RevG.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:11:55 < FreezingCold> Is that an FPGA?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:11:56 < ossifrage> they are using a Lattice MachXO2 fpga
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:12:10 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:12:16 < FreezingCold> I can tell a FPGA just by the cover
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:12:17 < ossifrage> 100mhz would be about 1.5meters per sample
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:12:42 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: what's that device for?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:13:00 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, that package could be anything, no logo, so you would have to know that LCM is lattice
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:13:20 < ossifrage> it is an optical ToF sensor that uses cross-correlation instead of just sampling or counting
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:13:36 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: the edges reminded me of FPGAs and the circuit style reminded me of FPGAs as well
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:13:41 < FreezingCold> I didn't know LCM was lattice
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:13:48  * drac_boy did
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:13:56 < FreezingCold> I have Lattice's software installed
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:14:01 < FreezingCold> it seems okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:14:05 < ossifrage> I'm trying to figure out if they are bullshitting with the accuracy claims
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:14:07 < FreezingCold> but, I can't solder a BGA easily
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:14:10 < n17ikh> I like lattice, it's good with bacon and tomato on a sandwich
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:14:24 < FreezingCold> could you get away with soldering a BGA with no solder?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:14:30 < FreezingCold> just by melting the balls?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:14:37  * FreezingCold waits for a stupid sex joke
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:14:51  * drac_boy points freezingcold to change the light bulb
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:14:57 < ossifrage> yeah you can hot air reflow BGAs without paste
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:15:06 < ossifrage> not sure what the yield is though
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:15:13 < Duzz> id imagine very low
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:15:20 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: I feel like the center balls wouldn't stick very well
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:16:08 < ossifrage> I think we had 5 for 5 with a 256 ball package (might have been bigger, was a while ago)
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:16:11 < FiNoVaC> can anyone link me to a 30pF 30% trimmer capacitor on digikey?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:17:01 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: jesus. Just with eyes?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:17:02 < FreezingCold> impressive
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:17:05  * FreezingCold tips hat
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:17:18 < FreezingCold> FiNoVaC: I don't know why I'm doing this, but fuck it, fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:17:36 < ossifrage> I didn't do it, I guy I worked with did, I don't remember the pitch, 0.8mm maybe
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:17:59 < _unreal_> FreezingCold, where do you live?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:18:07 < FreezingCold> FiNoVaC: Is ceramic okay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:18:16 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: yeah lattice does 0.5mm I think now
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:18:21 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: Ottawa. Why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:18:25 < ossifrage> it was one of those, we have some parts and some pcbs and this rework station, so why not try
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:19:03  * drac_boy throws King Edward Street at freezingcold :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:19:04 < _unreal_> ahhh canada
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:19:13 < FreezingCold> yep, capital
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:19:20 < drac_boy> and a crappy one at it too ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:19:26 < _unreal_> hehe yep enjoying the tropics here
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:19:28 < drac_boy> lot of money wasted for little uses
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:20:02 < FreezingCold> meh, it's an okay city for govt workers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:20:11 < FreezingCold> impossible to get a job without a friend
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:20:28 < _unreal_> hum.... ya I started my own company
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:20:31 < FiNoVaC> ya ceramic is fine FreezingCold thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:20:48 < FreezingCold> FiNoVaC: Tolerance, voltage rating and what kind of a mounting/package?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:21:14 < FiNoVaC> FreezingCold: the circut just says 30pF 30%
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:21:21 < genBTC> someone is providing someone with information on the internet besides lmgtfy ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:21:53 < genBTC> you sir deserve a medal
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:21:55 < FreezingCold> genBTC: sadly yeah, I'm avoiding finishing this presentation
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:22:02 < FreezingCold> or more like starting it
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:22:15 < FreezingCold> FiNoVaC: I assume you don't want surface mounted
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:22:27 < resixian> wondering if I can swap in a lm7812 for a 79l12 ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:22:33 < The_Coolest> hey guys, any tips on what transistors have a very low Vbe sat at 5-10mA ~0.4-0.5v to-92 or smd are fine. looking for cheap
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:23:10 < FreezingCold> FiNoVaC: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/C317C300J5G5TA/399-8919-ND/3522976
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:23:20 < FreezingCold> it's the only one 30 pF on digikey that you can buy just 1 onf
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:23:21 < FreezingCold> *1 of
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:23:51 < FiNoVaC> thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:24:07 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: what does/did your company do?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:24:25 < ossifrage> any idea how fast you could say read from a off chip parallel adc with a machxo2 part (any speedgrade)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:24:49 < _unreal_> I work on super yachts
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:25:06 < _unreal_> in fortlauderdale florida
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:26:10 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: what are you dumping the data to?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:26:17 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: electronic design I assume?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:27:25 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, well I guess you could run the correlators directly on the data, otherwise would need to store a small number of samples
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:28:10 < FreezingCold> I always thought fortlauderdale was kind of a crimey city :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:28:44 < ossifrage> at 100Mhz, light travels ~3 meters, so you don't need many samples, but that depends on how fast you can sample the photodiode
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:30:42 < _unreal_> heh naa I do fiberglass and hardware install. hull paining, the list goes on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:31:05 < _unreal_> custom parts etc....
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:31:46 < _unreal_> I'm a sole proprietor so I'm only making about $180k a year
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:32:01 < FreezingCold> ah, so you're on the lung transplant list
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:32:32 < _unreal_> hehe, I ware resperators
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:32:43 < _unreal_> now and then.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:32:51 < ossifrage> mmm pulmonary fibrosis
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:32:52 < _unreal_> ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:32:56 < FreezingCold> $180k is pretty nice for your own business, I don't really hear of anyone making more than $100k ish when they run the place by themselves
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:33:09 < FreezingCold> the only people I know who make $150k+ all have a few employees
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:33:20 < stiv2k_> hello i suspect this IC is bad due to its discoloration is there any way i can be certain? my scope is not really working so all i have right now is a dmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:33:23 < stiv2k_>  http://stiv2k.info/files/pics/unsorted/IMG_20140406_211846.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:33:25 < _unreal_> are they in the marine industory
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:33:31 < stiv2k_> its a smps controller
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:33:32 < FreezingCold> naa
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:33:37 < FreezingCold> mostly service I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:34:17 < _unreal_> I could build a custom console/dash for a boat and charge like $20+k for it
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:24 < FreezingCold> stiv2k_: read the data sheet and find out what it's supposed to do, then measure that with a logic analyzer
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:40 < stiv2k_> FreezingCold: its an smps controller
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:42 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: haha yeah boats are really overpriced
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:34:44 < _unreal_> and it would take me like 2 weeks to build
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:45 < stiv2k_> FreezingCold: i dont have a logic analyzer
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:55 < stiv2k_> FreezingCold: i just suspect its not oscillating
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:34:56 < FreezingCold> stiv2k_: right, but read the logic to see if it's doing what it should be doing
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:03 < FreezingCold> like, does pin 3 go high when it's active?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:06 < stiv2k_> FreezingCold: because i see nothing on the transformer output
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:09 < FreezingCold> I made that up, but there should be something like that
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:12 < stiv2k_> i mean transformer secondary
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:13 < Hyratel1> stiv2k_, that stuff at the bottom of the cap is glue
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:17 < FreezingCold> go do more troubleshooting son
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:20 < stiv2k_> Hyratel1: i know that
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:24 < _unreal_> nothing on the transformer output?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:27 < FreezingCold> stiv2k_: do you have a pickit?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:31 < stiv2k_> FreezingCold: a what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:39 < ossifrage> stiv2k_, looks like a dead cap, flip the board over and try testing the cap
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:41 < FreezingCold> stiv2k_: I'm suggesting you DIY one up
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:43 < stiv2k_> _unreal_: i meant to say, nothing on the transformer secondary side
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:35:45 < _unreal_> do you have a multi meter? is it analog or digital? do you have it set for AC OR DC
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:35:53 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: it's going to be hard to test a cap in circuit
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:36:02 < stiv2k_> ossifrage: not the large cap....
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:36:14 < stiv2k_> this is the 5vsb smps controller for an ATX psu
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:36:17 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: I looked into what a nice yacht would cost and holy crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:36:24 < _unreal_> stiv2k_, ? you read nothing on the secondary???? oooook. is it plugged in for starters?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:36:29 < FreezingCold> I don't see the appeal of them
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:36:39 < _unreal_> FreezingCold, :) hehehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:37:02 < stiv2k_> _unreal_: yes it's plugged in. I have 160V DC on the main filter cap. I have nothing on the transformer secondary. I suspect the smps ic is not oscillating and I want to confirm it using only my dmm if possible
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:37:04 < _unreal_> most people who own 10+ million dollar yachts rent then out
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:37:10 < _unreal_> its a business
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:37:14 < FreezingCold> that makes a bit of sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:37:28 < FreezingCold> to be honest I'm more of a land person :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:37:38 < FreezingCold> I'll take my 10 million penthouse please
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:37:56 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: you must be getting completely murdered with USA taxes on $180k
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:37:58 < _unreal_> like a 75million dollar 165' yacht rents for like 500K a month
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:38:00 < The_Coolest> so nobody can recommend anything?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:38:13 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: you're paying what, 45-50%?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:38:14 < _unreal_> FreezingCold, not really
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:38:19 < _unreal_> lot of duductions
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:38:36 < FreezingCold> what's flordia's tax rate?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:38:46 < stiv2k_> also, the R_sense, what is a typical value?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:38:47 < _unreal_> florida does not tax only fed
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:38:47 < FreezingCold> oh, google says it has none
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:38:52 < stiv2k_> is that supposed to be 0.33 ohm
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:39:13 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: oh wow it's only like 25% for you
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:39:15 < FreezingCold> that's really good
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:39:25 < _unreal_> GOD DAMN!! freeking palmetto bug just scarred the crap out of me
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:39:40 < FreezingCold> ha, nothing is alive in Ontario
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:39:45 < FreezingCold> ontario > florida
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:39:50 < FreezingCold> kidding
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:39:53 < stiv2k_> _unreal_: where in fl
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:39:54 < _unreal_> google palmetto bug florida
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:39:58 < _unreal_> south florida
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:39:59 < _unreal_> boaca
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:40:02 < stiv2k_> bullshit.
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:40:24 < FreezingCold> http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/cockroach.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:40:32 < _unreal_> do /whois _unreal_  :) should relate to FL
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:40:41 < FreezingCold> _unreal_: you aren't canadian, are you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:40:51 < _unreal_> no but I use to live in maine
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:41:01 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:41:18 < FreezingCold> I'm worried once/if I move out of Canada the CRA is going to come back begging for more money
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:41:21 < _unreal_> use to go to NS all the time
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:41:22 < FreezingCold> CRA = IRS
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:42:26 < FreezingCold> be back later, need to test something out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T04:43:41 < stiv2k_> i think its busted
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:45:08 < FreezingCold> oops, autologin value was set too quck
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T04:45:12 < FreezingCold> *quick
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T13:13:36 < sabotender> oh well that makes sense
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T13:13:54 < cheater> sabotender, apparently not that difficult, the mars second is just a few % longer (?) than the earth second, and the rest is the same.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T13:15:18 < sabotender> hmm maybe it is Venus I am thinking about that has a noticably different revolution than Earth
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T13:15:41 < cheater> dunno :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T13:17:00 < evilbetty> sweet suzies
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:17:56 < evilbetty> zenlogic: the cap removes DC
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:18:41 < R0b0t1> ohsix: coins and other stuff?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:18:42 < R0b0t1> huh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:19:07 < zenlogic> evilbetty: I think I’m getting it. Thanks! I’m just trying it out now...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:30:07 < Hodapp> hjf: well, they're not necessarily a 'proper' flan
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:30:11 < Hodapp> just something vaguely flan-like
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:30:30 < hjf> Hodapp: yes i know, there are ready-made individual flans. cheap brands are disgusting gooey gelatin, good ones are actual flan
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:30:44 < Hodapp> hjf: oh, I thought you said you'd never seen that
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:30:57 < hjf> Hodapp: i mean the ones that come in individual servings ready to eat
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T18:31:05 < Hodapp> oh, hmmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T19:48:43 < AndreeeCZ> Is it enough to put it in DIbox and then mixer and then out/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T21:28:17 < drazak> shrdlu-: your "volts per second" is "volts of voltage drop per second"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T21:28:52 < shrdlu-> I've no idea how to measure that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:10:48 < hjf> ohsix: oh yes, stereo image bullshit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:10:56 < ohsix> it could easily be from the random values they're trying
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:11:22 < hjf> i may try that opamp one
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:11:28 < hjf> i have some (i hope) low noise opamps
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:16:15 < FreezingCold> man such a headache right now
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:16:17 < FreezingCold> killing me
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:17:13 < hjf> FreezingCold: beats stomach cramps
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:19:48 < FreezingCold> heh, I wonder if microsoft should have just made Windows XP a subscription software
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:22:25 < hjf> so
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:22:38 < hjf> the government's freaking out because of the "wave" of lynchings across the country
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:57:17 < jacekowski> sabotender: try drinking it
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:57:26 < sabotender> jacekowski: quiet you
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:57:28 < sabotender> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:57:29 < FreezingCold> kludge: funny how we never ban cars
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:57:50 < jacekowski> we don't?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:57:51 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: just wait. someone somewhere will ban electric cars
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:57:59 < azonenberg> FreezingCold: that's like trying to ban alcohol (dangerous but too many people want it)
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:03 < azonenberg> look how that turned out
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:58:07 < FreezingCold> one of my friends got arrested for drunk driving, and he already has his license back before his court date...
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:13 < sabotender> they already were mini banned by the auto industry a few years back
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:58:18 < azonenberg> FreezingCold: wtf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:23 < sabotender> they just recently made a comeback
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:24  * bobo1on1 has never gotten a traffic ticket
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:28 < jacekowski> drunk driving should be instant ban
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:30 < jacekowski> without court
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:58:32 < FreezingCold> azonenberg: if they find him guilty in a few months, THEN they take it back...
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:58:38 < FreezingCold> but in the meantime, he gets it back
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:43 < jacekowski> actually, driving while unfit
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:46 < azonenberg> jacekowski: and mandatory jail time
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:49 < nullvibe> I recall seeing a news article saying they were toying with the idea of requiring electric cars to be "noisier" as a "safety feature"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:51 < azonenberg> not a lot, just like a month or so
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:54 < azonenberg> to send the message
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:58:56 < kludge> jacekowski: how do you expect people to get to court if you take their license away?
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:59:03 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: I say just pump your music up
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:04 < jacekowski> kludge: no need for court
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:06 < sabotender> does anyone remember the scores of electric cars that were manufacturerd but never sold and I think landfilled?
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:07 < azonenberg> nullvibe: yeah i heard that one lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:59:13 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: ...we need court
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2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:20 < kludge> sabotender: that would be the EV-1, and they weren't really practical cars.
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:21  * bertrik_ never heard of that
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:25 < jacekowski> not for that kind of thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:59:36 < FreezingCold> kludge: it's really funny, in Canada about 25% of people who get their license suspended at court drive home lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:37 < sabotender> just like how the laundry industry nixed that mans invention of a washing machine that did not require the use of detergent
2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:59:48 < azonenberg> FreezingCold: basically, trying to remove the supply of something (say, ethanol for ingestion)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-07T23:59:50 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: do that, and you're in violation of noise ordinances. damned if you do, damned if you don't
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:52 < azonenberg> before you've removed the demand
2014-04.log-2014-04-07T23:59:57 < azonenberg> just creates a lback market
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:00 < azonenberg> black market*
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:00:06 < FreezingCold> kludge: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/motorists-caught-driving-minutes-after-losing-licences-1.967713
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:07 < azonenberg> the problem is nobody has found a good way to remove demand :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:25 < sabotender> azonenberg: you didn't comment on that etching formula. I wanted to ask you what you thought
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:37 < azonenberg> sabotender: i'd prefer HCl over vinegar
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:00:38 < kludge> FreezingCold: that is sad, but not surprising.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:42 < jacekowski> azonenberg: + if they do it second time (or even decide to drive while still banned) - crush the car
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:00:43 < kludge> I think I'll go make tea.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:00:59 < FreezingCold> kludge: Canada and the USA are way too dependent on our cars
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:04 < FreezingCold> it's so stupid
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:10 < FreezingCold> we drive 5 person cars for 1 person to get to work...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:01:20 < sabotender> _abc_ said I should use powdered vitamin c, but that is not easier to get my paws on, and HCl is far too strong for my sensibilities
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:25 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: 1 person car is not going to be much smaller
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:30 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: but, but... littler cars are a safety risk!
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:42 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: you have to fit engine in it, all the airbags, crumple zones
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:01:45 < bobo1on1> jacekowski: I'd say it can be half the size
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:01:59 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: and you still end up with ~800kg of a car at least
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:02:02 < FreezingCold> BullDoger: ughhh I hate it
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:02:08 < FreezingCold> its an endless cycle
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:02:18 < bobo1on1> I disagree, my 5 person car weighs 850 kg
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:02:20 < bertrik_> you can probably make a car that uses half the fuel
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:02:48 < nullvibe> projects can't get funding due to the low returns on previous projects though
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:02:52 < bobo1on1> yeah?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:03 < bobo1on1> it's a european car
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:03:13 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: yeah like in my area of town (only 20 minutes by bus from downtown) the buses actually STOP running for several hours during the night...
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:15 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: i drive an alfa
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:34 < bobo1on1> volkswagen made a 2 person car that can drive 100 km on one liter of petrol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:35  * nullvibe uses a bicycle part of the time, which gets infinity miles to the gallon ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:36 < kludge> The punto is kind of cool but is actually pretty big.
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:03:43 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: not true
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:03:56 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you have to pay for water and food that you use due to your cycling
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:03:56 < bobo1on1> kludge: not really, it's a punto mk2 from 1999
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:04:07 < nullvibe> I'd be paying for those things anyway
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:04:13 < jacekowski> kludge: engine options in it are sad though
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:04:18 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: no, you eat more if you're burning calories off
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:04:25 < kludge> bobo1on1: that's as big as my bmw 2002, and WAY bigger than an MGB.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:04:32 < nullvibe> it's also beneficial in that it's muscle-building, so it offsets the costs that would otherwise be required for gym membership
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:04:35 < FreezingCold> oh wow kludge is a bmw driver?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:04:39 < bobo1on1> anyway, it's a 5 person car that weighs 850 kg or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:04:42 < FreezingCold> I thought kludge wasn't a dick?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:05:02 < bobo1on1> I once ordered pizza, it was delivered by 2 guys with a bmw
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:05:04 < kludge> FreezingCold: I spend more time fixing them than driving them if that makes you feel any better.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:05:07 < bobo1on1> made me wonder what else they deliver
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:05:11 < FreezingCold> kludge: lol kidding
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:05:15 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: although I was mainly taking a jab at the way electric cars are marketted. you know...200+ mpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:05:25 < FreezingCold> I just know the stereotype about BMW drivers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:05:35 < kludge> FreezingCold: My mechanic has a '82 3-series with a THIS IS NOT A YUPPIE CAR bumper sticker.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:05:46 < nullvibe> if it doesn't use gallons of gas, HOW can it be < infinity mpg? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:06:03 < jacekowski> nullvibe: can your bike do 0-60 in just over 6s?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:06:08 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: it does use gallons of water though
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:06:41 < jacekowski> BlackManWheels
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:06:48 < nullvibe> jacekowski: I can get up to ~25 mph within that timeframe. sufficient for in-town excursions and SOME out of town excursions
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:07:29 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: it's still not gas, and exposes a fundamental limitation in assumptions made about fuel economy
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:07:43 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: yeah mpg is fucking stupid with electric cars
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:07:52 < nullvibe> it's stupid with ANYTHING, really
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:07:58 < FreezingCold> with gas it's fine?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:08:03 < jacekowski> actually, most of the reasonably priced electric cars will not get me to work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:08:13 < nullvibe> seems like hp/h would be better, if nothing else
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:08:16 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: tesla model s 40 kWh was what, $50k?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:08:25 < jacekowski> more like 80k
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:08:45 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: i need about 80kW for 20 minutes to get to work
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:08:50 < nullvibe> nice thing about electric vehicles is that electricity is easy to generate by all kinds of different methods
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:08:55 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: wtf, you need to move
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:09:01 < FreezingCold> and no you don't
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:09:04 < FreezingCold> you don't need 80 kW
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:09:10 < FreezingCold> unless it's all uphill both ways lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:09:18 < jacekowski> or done at 120mph
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:09:22 < nullvibe> they could build solar panels into the roof of the car, and you could have a portable charger in the form of a unicycle or something. just a couple examples
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:09:45 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: it should still go an easy 100 km at high speeds
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:09:53 < FreezingCold> that's an hour of fast driving
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:09:56 < nullvibe> in comparison, if you run out of gas and you're not near a gas station, you're boned
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:10:03 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you can leech off an outlet
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:10:08 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: 30 minutes at 120mph
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:10:15 < FreezingCold> perfect
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:10:19 < FreezingCold> you charge at work
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:10:27 < nullvibe> yup. swipe a few watts from your employer while at the office ^_^
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:10:38 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: what if i have to go home for a moment
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:11:00 < jacekowski> + you are talking about 20-30kWh
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:11:02 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: at my college they have a free charger that nobody uses
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:11:05 < jacekowski> over 8h working day
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:11:17 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: you need to move closer to work bro
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:11:21 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: insufficient rich kids?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:11:48 < jacekowski> that's 4kW
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:11:56 < jacekowski> so more than typical socket will deliver
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:12:02 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: well the building that it's at got massive funding by a bunch of large construction companies
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:12:07 < FreezingCold> but it's not a rich school
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:12:16 < jacekowski> electric cars are useless
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:12:29 < FreezingCold> then again, like half the kids in construction end up in the oil fields now lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:12:30 < jacekowski> or barely usable if you drive them sensibly
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:12:31 < alabd> Good day all ,what's best idea to stream video from a place to another place (hidden) ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:12:38 < FreezingCold> alabd: more details
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:12:45 < nullvibe> my alma mater has two college-branded electric vehicles that they apparently use quite a bit. they even generate some of their own power for it via a wind turbine atop the engineering building, which is kind of cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:12:45 < SpeedEvil> alabd: dark fibre
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:13:06 < FreezingCold> blue fiber
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:13:08 < FreezingCold> pink fiber
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:13:22 < FreezingCold> white fiber
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:13:29 < jacekowski> electric cars are not that green either
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:13:39 < FreezingCold> white fiber has all the colors, while black/dark fiber has no colors
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:13:47 < FreezingCold> more colors make the internet faster
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:13:49 < nullvibe> jacekowski: how do you figure?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:13:55 < jacekowski> you have to get electricity from somewhere
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:02 < jacekowski> obviously power stations are more efficient
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:14 < jacekowski> but then you have batteries that are not very green
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:14:18 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: in Ontario and Quebec we have a ton of hydro
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:22 < nullvibe> yes, you generate it from sunlight or other ambient environmental sources that would otherwise go to waste
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:24 < bobo1on1> everyone knows electric cars don't use fuel, they get their power from the plug
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:14:39 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: we're not even that far off from the arab countries that burn oil for the lawls
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:42 < jacekowski> nullvibe: sunlight is not an option if you charge your car over nigh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:47 < jacekowski> nullvibe: wind is not always there
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:14:51 < nullvibe> batteries can also be renewed by chemical processes
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:14:59 < FreezingCold> solar doesn't seem to be efficient enough
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:15:09 < FreezingCold> solar cells anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:15:12 < nullvibe> just because some people are stupid and discard them in the trash doesn't make the technology any less green
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:15:39 < FreezingCold> solar thermal is okay
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:15:42 < jacekowski> + electric cars are a lot more expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:15:52 < bobo1on1> right now they are yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:16:07 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: it isn't efficient, but it doesn't really have to be. solar energy is one of the strongest energy sources we have to harness
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:16:09 < bobo1on1> but it's not like a gasoline engine is a simple mechanical device
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:16:14 < jacekowski> 40kWh worth of batteries is not going to be cheap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:17:27 < jacekowski> so i can set it to nice and warm and not worry about it reducing my range
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:17:36 < bobo1on1> surely the electric motor produces enough heat
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:17:40 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: the manufacturing of it hasn't been the greatest
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:17:58 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: not really
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:17:58 < FreezingCold> oh sorry I lagged there
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:00 < FreezingCold> you already said that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:05 < bobo1on1> hm ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:17 < nullvibe> jacekowski: sunlight keeps my car pretty toasty, and I rarely have to use my heater
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:18 < FreezingCold> china is pretty bo$$ with their power generators
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:20 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: and you need a lot of heat to keep a car warm
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:22 < alabd> FreezingCold: give idea up on 3 factors 1 - stealthily 2- video quality 3- remote stream
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:26 < bertrik_> I keep reading about future "superbatteries" about every month or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:26 < FreezingCold> they know how to make shit work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:30 < bobo1on1> true, but you can add isolation
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:35  * nullvibe has a pretty old combustion vehicle btw
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:37 < FreezingCold> bertrik_: it's always laughable
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:43 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: you have a lot of windows
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:18:48 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: and windows have to stay
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:18:58 < FreezingCold> debatable
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:19:04 < nullvibe> bertrik_: hype is good. it keeps people thinking about it, and eventually someone who can do more than just think takes it on ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:19:14 < bobo1on1> windows with a lot of cold air moving quickly over them
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:19:17 < FreezingCold> Tesla wanted to get rid of the side view mirrors with cameras and screens
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:19:41  * nullvibe just wants his car to drive itself dammit
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:19:52 < FreezingCold> alabd: what operating system on each side? is this a local stream or internet stream?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:20:06 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: electric train ftw
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:20:06 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: my engine idling with 0C outside will produce less heat than required to keep inside of the car at 21C
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:20:07 < LeelooMinai> nullvibe: Put it on neutral on a steep hill down
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:20:14 < bobo1on1> I want a rail system on the highway, where I can just hook on, get to work without traffic jams, accidents, or having to pay attention
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:20:41 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: why not just have a rail system that goes within a 5 minute walk to your house?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:20:44 < FreezingCold> no traffic jams
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:20:45 < FreezingCold> always on time
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:20:47 < alabd> FreezingCold: OS on camera side ? i'm saying stealthily ...:P it should be as small as it possible ...but other side no matter
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:20:50 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: modern diesel engines are getting close to 50% efficiency
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:21:01 < FreezingCold> alabd: use google more, you don't know what you want
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:21:01 < jacekowski> bobo1on1: average
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:21:08 < bobo1on1> I have no such rail system FreezingCold, it would take me 1.5 hour to get to work instead of 50 minutes of driving
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:21:20 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: oh I know, I'm saying society should do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:21:24 < bobo1on1> jacekowski: lots of heat escapes out the exhaust though
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:21:29 < FreezingCold> we should all build around a rail system
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:21:31 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: why not just turn the roads into a railgun-like "train"?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:21:42 < SpeedEvil> bobo1on1: that's the 50%
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:02 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: still wasteful to bring a car everywhere. We should just turn two lanes of the highway into rails for electric trains
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:14 < bobo1on1> then drive your car on the train
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:18 < FreezingCold> NO
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:18 < FreezingCold> NO CAR
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:21 < bobo1on1> :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:26 < FreezingCold> fuck your car
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:26 < nullvibe> it isn't wasteful when you have to transport large amounts of items all over the place
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:27 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: fast trains are not that great when it comes to efficiency
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:40 < Firehopper> Pelectric bike
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:40 < bobo1on1> that would be a raither painful excercise I'm afraid
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:22:53 < bertrik_> I use the train quite a lot, I live close to the station (6 min by bicycle), but it's a pain if you have to be somewhere not close to a train station, or after midnight
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:55 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: speaking from experience?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:22:59 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: 200mph eurostar needs 12MW
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:23:11 < curatrix> all trains suck wrt efficiency .. they help ith congstion though
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:23:18 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: but it gets you there three times as fast as a highway
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:23:19 < curatrix> *with
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:23:31 < FreezingCold> I'm sure at 100 km/h it's more efficient
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:23:42 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: at 100km/h i can get there faster
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:23:43 < FreezingCold> than having everyone ride their own car
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:23:44 < nullvibe> bertrik_: what do you do with your bike?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:23:55 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: not in rush hour.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:04 < bertrik_> nullvibe: I park it at the train station
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:24:16 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: even at 200km/h i will probably be faster
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:18 < nullvibe> bertrik_: and risk it getting stolen. that's what I thought :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:24:23 < alabd> FreezingCold: i know what i want   , like this http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Digital-Recording-Internet-Adapter/dp/B005QBXH30   but not in adaptor ...
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:37  * nullvibe 's bike has to be with him at all times while he's out
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:40 < pzn> I need some advice about cellphone 3G communications... high speed 3G specs says about HSUPA and WCDMA... I will use the modem in GSM (with simcard) network... does WCDMA applies to my usage? does WCDMA only applies to non-gsm/simcard network?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:41 < Firehopper> folding bike and take it with you.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:24:54 < bertrik_> nullvibe: I use an extra lock besides the one in the rear wheel
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:24:55 < jacekowski> FreezingCold: trains stop for stations, and do not leave right from my front door
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:25:17 < Firehopper> wcdma is not gsm I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:25:22 < nullvibe> I have a $600 bike, and if someone ever stole it, I'm afraid I'd have to track them down and kill them pretty painfully and slowly
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:25:32 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: I dunno how many rail systems use this (or if any) but in-transit transfers would fix the first issue
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:25:36 < Firehopper> hsupa is gsm
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:25:43 < pzn> nullvibe, i love my bike
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:26:07 < bertrik_> I'm thinking sometimes of a bicycle tracking system that is inexpensive and convenient
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:26:32 < nullvibe> bertrik_: chains are easy to get off. especially given sufficient time, and sufficient (in)attention by persons who are supposed to be doing security
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:26:35 < bertrik_> not done thinking yet ... :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:26:50 < jacekowski> Casper: noip
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:26:56 < FreezingCold> Casper: something something afraid?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:27:06 < FreezingCold> Casper: https://freedns.afraid.org/
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T00:27:15 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: my idea WAS a railgun-based system, actually. Kind of like the saiyan balls that some of the DBZ characters used to get around
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:27:29 < Casper> jacekowski: checking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T00:27:45 < nullvibe> Would require a physical every so often to make sure that people were healthy enough to withstand the Gs, but that's a small price to pay
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T01:37:46 < FullDive> I dont' understand spice based ones anyways.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:49:42 < Storyteller> thats enough of a definition to connect dots now
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:49:53 < Storyteller> just wanted to place a word in my head better
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:50:14 < Storyteller> its coloumb for charge, farad for capacitance
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:50:53 < Storyteller> and, columb is a number of electrons,
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:52:08 < JFK911> so the farad unit tells us, how many electrons we need to change the voltage in the capacitor by 1 volt
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T10:52:13 < JFK911> do you agree?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T10:53:54 < FreezingCold> gotta love them electrons
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T10:53:58 < FreezingCold> always getting stuff done
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:17:47 < Polesch> !!
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:17:50 < MasterAccurate> Polesch, I have replaced one wire with a longer one and another have I added where no cable was there was only a short solder so I added a cable for the earth
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:17:53 < evilbetty> :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:18:08 < evilbetty> hehe i know how many i got :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:18:11 < evilbetty> 8 ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:18:21 < MasterAccurate> 12AU7? w8 what are that ECC?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:44:59 < _abc_> It strikes me as odd, that there is no obvious answer to this online
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:45:28 < _abc_> The meter mechanism is mechanical and strictly volumetric, and these things operate outdoors seeing -30 to +30 deg C regularly
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:46:03 < _abc_> That's almost +/-10% vs STP volumetric change by temperature
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:46:17 < _abc_> I am SURE someone has thought of this and there is some trick which fixes it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:46:31 < MasterAccurate> is your gas meter outside?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:46:32 < _abc_> Gas price is by cubic meter here.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:47:59 < MasterAccurate> I think that is done intentionally
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:48:04 < MasterAccurate> they know about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:48:08 < MasterAccurate> so they make more money
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:48:18 < _abc_> There should have been a monster scandal over this already
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:48:31 < jpa-> _abc_: but cold => more gas in same m^3
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T11:48:32 < _abc_> They fight over 2% price increases, 10% would cause riots
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T12:16:21 < MasterAccurate> I never saw a LM317 in a tube circiut
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T12:16:24 < MasterAccurate> ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T12:17:25 < Polesch_> Let me show you some measurements
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T12:18:16 < MasterAccurate> I know that kind of shematics: http://de.academic.ru/dic.nsf/dewiki/115206
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T12:18:19 < MasterAccurate> for aplifiers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:04:28 < FreezingCold> So this battery is 11.1V and 6 Ah, is it safe to assume that it's using six 1 Ah cells at 3.7V?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:04:55 < ShorTie> No
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:05:04 < FreezingCold> Why not?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:05:14 < MasterAccurate> I have to order some 100k potentiometers... 10k I have here but no 100k :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:05:32 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: what do you need 100k for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:05:32 < blight> MasterAccurate: put 10 10k in series
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:05:40 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:05:52 < MasterAccurate> for a scope
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:05:57 < MasterAccurate> oscilloscope
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:05:59 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: just use an ADC input and a PWM output
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:00 < ShorTie> i would think 3 6ah cells
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:04 < FreezingCold> is it that hard?
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:07 < FreezingCold> Stoob: wut?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:09 < MasterAccurate> two potis are so old they want turn
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:12 < FreezingCold> er ShorTie
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:12 < MasterAccurate> want not
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:17 < MasterAccurate> want not turn
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:21 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: the total is 6 Ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:34 < MasterAccurate> FreezingCold, it is an old tube scope
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:36 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: you just gave me 18 Ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:37 < MasterAccurate> HM 107
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:39 < MasterAccurate> Hameg
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:06:45 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: my idea still stands
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:47 < ShorTie> nop
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:06:56 < MasterAccurate> no... I have to replace the old potis!
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:07:04 < ShorTie> current is the same thru the circuit
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:07:04 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: what voltage is the pot running on?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:07:17 < rockyrock> hi guys
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:07:26 < rockyrock> I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask my question
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:07:34 < MasterAccurate> I not measured thart.... I am cleaning the old scope and them are not running because they dont turn anymore
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:07:37 < MasterAccurate> rusty
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:07:57 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: They don't commonly make lithium ion cells at 11.1V IIRC
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:03 < FreezingCold> I thought 3.7V was the standard
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:15 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: if it's under 5V, my idea will totally work
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:08:30 < MasterAccurate> no it will be over
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:31 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: you can use a BJT otherwise
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:32 < FreezingCold> NO
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:08:33 < ShorTie> true, it takes 3 cells to make 11.1v
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:49 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Genuine-Battery-Acer-Aspire-TimelineX-3830TG-3830TZG-4830T-5830T-AS11A3E-AS11A5E-/251417661032?pt=Laptop_Batteries&hash=item3a89a90e68
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:51 < FreezingCold> that's what it looks like
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:08:54 < MasterAccurate> FreezingCold, I will repair that scope not develop it
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:08:57 < MasterAccurate> ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:08:58 < MasterAccurate> ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:09:08 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: do you have a picture of the scope?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:09:13 < MasterAccurate> w8
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:09:18 < rockyrock> I’m trying to understand about sound spectorgrams or sounds analysis in general. So I’m looking for a good tutorial that starts from the very beginning. Like starting from trignonometry, then sampling & hertz (what they means), FFT, …, then spectorgram. I coulnd’t find a good tutorial on Google. If you know one please help me.
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:09:34 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: w8?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:09:38 < MasterAccurate> wait
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:09:41 < MasterAccurate> ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:09:42 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:09:49 < FreezingCold> rockyrock: oh boy, this stuff is fun :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:00 < MasterAccurate> http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/hameg_oszillograph_hm107hm_10.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:03 < MasterAccurate> that it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:25 < MasterAccurate> you like to see how big the vcr tube is?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:37 < MasterAccurate> http://secrc.lima-city.de/research/Hameg_HM107-Scope_Tube.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:10:37 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: I can tell it's german just by the casing lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:46 < ShorTie> i would think that is 2 banks of 3 cells
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:48 < MasterAccurate> yes it is ;) but it will be norwegian soon ;D
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:10:52 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: xfce <3
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:10:55 < FreezingCold> good boy
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:10:58 < MasterAccurate> Polesch will get it
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:11:03 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: right, so 6 cells in total :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:11:10 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: that's what I suggested at the beginning lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:11:14 < FreezingCold> [07:03:57] <FreezingCold> So this battery is 11.1V and 6 Ah, is it safe to assume that it's using six 1 Ah cells at 3.7V?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:11:15 < MasterAccurate> I love that small tubes! =D
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:11:39 < MasterAccurate> very cute
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:11:55 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: are you donating it to a museum?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:04 < MasterAccurate> no... to Polesch =D
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:04 < ShorTie> that would only give a total of 2amp output max
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:12 < MasterAccurate> I have one Hameg HM 207 ;)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:24 < MasterAccurate> it is newer version of it
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:30 < ShorTie> 1 amp from each bank
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:12:44 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: you know Polesch IRL?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:48 < MasterAccurate> no ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:12:53 < MasterAccurate> but I like norwegians :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:12:58 < FreezingCold> haha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:13:58 < MasterAccurate> he is very friendly and pleasant
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:14:27 < MasterAccurate> FreezingCold, I have bought that scope some day's ago for 10 euro ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:14:35 < FreezingCold> ShorTie: wait, so how many cells do you think I need to get..?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:15:55 < MasterAccurate> WHERE IS POLESCH! =D
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:16:11 < MasterAccurate> I HAVE FOUND SOMETHING IN EBAY HE WILL LIKE ;D very cheapo tubes ;D
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:16:14 < MasterAccurate> harharharharhar
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:16:22 < FreezingCold> heh, buying the whole battery pack premade is probably worth it...
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:16:24 < FreezingCold> it's $50
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:17:15 < FreezingCold> [20140408:071629~]$ acpi -i | tail -1
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:17:15 < FreezingCold> Battery 0: design capacity 6000 mAh, last full capacity 1679 mAh = 27%
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:17:18 < FreezingCold> I
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:17:23 < FreezingCold> I've had this laptop for a few years =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:17:25 < FreezingCold> it's fail
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:18:10 < Engen> with 7 segment displays, is 1 typically put on the right or left hand side?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:18:38 < fetcher> FreezingCold: how many cycles have you put on it?  I try not to charge mine above 90-95% when I don't need the full runtime (there are ACPI adjustments under /sys for this)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:18:59 < MasterAccurate> I like nixies more than 7 seg displays ;D
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:19:05 < FreezingCold> fetcher: hold on, let me check
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:19:28 < _abc_> There is no 'typical' and many displays have dot places on both sides
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:19:32 < MasterAccurate> have two nixies in my stock
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:19:38 < _abc_> plus some have apostrophes on top
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:20:21 < MasterAccurate> _abc_, I have no nitro for cleaning the potis, can I try with something other? benzine, diethylether or 1-propanol?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:20:38 < MasterAccurate> wash petrol I have too
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:20:42 < FreezingCold> fetcher: [20140408:071959~]$ cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/cycle_count
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:20:42 < FreezingCold> 0
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:20:47 < FreezingCold> it doesn't seem to save the cycle count
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:20:48 < _abc_> diethyl should work. Nitro paint thinner? The spray you put on is like a plastic layer.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:21:01 < _abc_> You need to dissolve it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:21:05  * _abc_ needs to go now
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:21:27 < MasterAccurate> k I try with diethylether
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:21:29 < MasterAccurate> afk
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:21:52 < FreezingCold> Engen: I usually put things towards the right side
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T14:21:58 < FreezingCold> but that could be the binary in me speaking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:34:16 < The_Coolest> hey guys, any suggestions on what transistors have a very low Vbe sat at 5-10mA ~0.4-0.5v to-92 or smd are fine. looking for cheap (as always). I found these, but they don't seem to be very standard stuff: npn- 2SD1767 / 2SD1859  & pnp- 2SB1189 / 2SB1238
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:55:29 < FreezingAlt> http://speedof.me/result/140407205631-34858.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T14:55:31 < FreezingAlt> what the hell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T15:06:09 < FreezingAlt> freerdp didn't get an update
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T15:06:12 < FreezingAlt> wonder why it''s floating now
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:37:33 < evilbetty> or with his weewee in public
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:37:39 < MasterAccurate> he will have exames now I think
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:37:55 < MasterAccurate> so he have no time for us newbies ;D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:38:14 < evilbetty> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:14 < MasterAccurate> evilbetty, I was talking to the russians 3 times
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:14 < evilbetty> some of those female dispatches even give signal reports :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:16 < R0b0t1> MasterAccurate: I don't know, might be accurate.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:22 < MasterAccurate> 20Watt to russia with cb-radio
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:28 < evilbetty> but they sont spend time on you,  they just yell "59" :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:53:30 < R0b0t1> Because the concept of a 3rd Reich that would last 1000 years is pretty nationalist
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:55:59 < evilbetty> i dont know i ignore everything electronics related:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:56:18 < MasterAccurate> evilbetty, http://masteraccurate.bplaced.net/homepage/fotos/Funk/DSC_0570.JPG
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T16:56:28 < FreezingCold> ping ping
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:56:32 < MasterAccurate> http://masteraccurate.bplaced.net/homepage/fotos/Funk/DSC_0583.JPG
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T16:56:37 < FreezingCold> oh cool I'm connected
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T16:56:39 < FreezingCold> [09:56:04] * Ping reply from FreezingCold: 2.67 second(s)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:56:39 < MasterAccurate> that was my antenna
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T16:56:41 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T16:56:43 < FreezingCold> fail network
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T16:56:44 < JFK911> how is the etymology of the word "Funk"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T18:29:30 < kludge> scrts_w: 90% of what I do is tiny stuff.... a relay, a transformer, and a diode on a board.  I just want to put some doughnuts and traces down, but now I have to make everything integrated with the schematic and the objects in eagle...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T18:30:34 < FreezingCold> I NEED COFFEEEE
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T18:31:38 < Polesch> I NEED TEA
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:04:58 < Ikarus> asphalt used to occur in huge pits
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:05:21 < Ikarus> (La Brea tar pits (tar tar pits) are a surviving example)
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:05:39 < Ikarus> _abc_: dodging import levies, I hate to pay the goverment more then I absolutely have to :P
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:05:51 < _abc_> Ikarus: I hear you
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:06:02 < zapster> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hstum3U2zw
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:06:02 < _abc_> Ikarus: We have 24% vat including on any imports afaik
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:22:48 < ziikutv> in that image
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:22:51 < ziikutv> i have the voltage on the rail
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:23:00 < FreezingCold> fuck I can't get a terminal shell going anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:23:03 < FreezingCold> fucking rs232
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:23:03 < ziikutv> and i wanted to know the voltage after the resistor.. before the junction
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:23:04 < FreezingCold> fuck that protocol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:23:35 < kurt> What's wrong with RS232?
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:24:28 < _abc_> RS232 expired like windows XP expires now
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2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:24:33 < FreezingCold> oh wait
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:24:33 < JFK911> rs232 is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:24:34 < _abc_> But it will live on forever and ever
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:24:39 < FreezingCold> maybe virtualbox stole it
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:24:39 < _abc_> ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-08T20:24:49 < FreezingCold> I think vbox stole my rs232 lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:24:57 < JFK911> oops i think the sla is a 'gel cell'
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:25:01 < JFK911> i wonder if this is why it cracked
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T20:25:09 < JFK911> anyway i think i figured out what the 'desulfator' does
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2014-04.log-2014-04-08T23:25:11 < kludge> bnl: get a parametric EQ, set it to a tight notch, sweep the frequency control back and forth and you'll hear the same effect basically.
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T23:25:39  * kludge runs off to give a talk about qrp.  Wish me luck!
2014-04.log-2014-04-08T23:25:45 < bnl> good luck!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T01:25:40 < lbracher> Hi, friends. I need a little help to identify what looks like a silicon diode. It's on a transparent and orange package, and the numbers and letters I could read were "S12PH", but it can be "S128H" or "8128H". I'm almost sure that's a regular silicon diode. Could you help me with this deciphering? TIA! :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T01:26:18 < Vutral> have you ever thought about ''feel the real life'' ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T01:26:18 < Vutral> ^^
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:30:12 < blockh34d> yah thats no good
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:30:27 < blockh34d> better pack a parachute i guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:30:31 < blockh34d> and a deathwish
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:30:31 < FreezingCold> so I finally signed up for github
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:30:49 < blockh34d> yah what project you working on?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:31:21 < blockh34d> anyone thoughts on good metal for bullet proofing? AR500?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:31:47 < blockh34d> i've seen enough a-team episodes.  I'm ready
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:33:38 < skyroveRR> Hello, anyone has a decent 5VDC UPS schematic diagram? I'd like to build a UPS that supplies 5VDC from the battery when the mains AC blanks out, and switches back to AC power once it comes in. I've checked out this one http://www.simple-electronics.com/2012/02/5v-ups-circuit.html and it looks promising, if someone has a better one then please suggest :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:34:02 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: nothing too fancy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:34:33 < blockh34d> AR500 - abrasion resistent 500
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:34:37 < blockh34d> i think its supposed to be pretty good
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:37:36 < FreezingCold> awww yeahhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:37:44 < FreezingCold> already got my github education discount applied
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:38:19 < FreezingCold> "You can't use it until your current code runs out. Please hang tight until 8 April 2016."
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:38:20 < FreezingCold> yay
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:38:38 < skyroveRR> ?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:40:25 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: I get five free repos
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:40:34 < skyroveRR> Nicey.
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:40:56 < FreezingCold> *private repos
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:41:02 < FreezingCold> public are unlimited IIRC
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:41:17 < skyroveRR> Do you have some 5V/6V/12VDC DIY UPS diagrams in mind, FreezingCold ? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:42:24 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: uh, I don't understand the point of a device like that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:42:35  * zigggggy hugs snuffeluffegus!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:42:43 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:42:47 < zigggggy> hi snuffy
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:42:58 < snuffeluffegus> well hello
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:43:00 < zigggggy> :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:43:10 < zigggggy> its good
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:43:18 < zigggggy> how is sesame street, snuffeluffegus?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:43:25 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: what devices on earth take both 5VDC and 120VAC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:43:52 < snuffeluffegus> Well I actually live in the Andromeda Galaxy now.
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:43:56 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: routers and custom made electronics.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:44:02 < snuffeluffegus> Us snuffeluffegi like to move around.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:44:04 < zigggggy> snuffeluffegus is big bird too?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:44:09 < zigggggy> there too*
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:44:21 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: they aren't going to accept that through the same device
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:44:36 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: meaning?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:44:36 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: what you want is a constant 5VDC UPS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:44:54 < snuffeluffegus> I believe he passed into a different dimension. Well if you subscribe to M theory. If not then you can just consider him to currently not be in existence.
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:45:07 < FreezingCold> just look for a USB UPS, those are 5VDC
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:45:59 < snuffeluffegus> Hey what came of that mystery photo of the Martian rave that curiosity caught?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:46:03 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: have a few links in mind?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:46:10 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: for building that?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:46:19 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: you don't build it
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:46:20 < FreezingCold> you just buy it
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:46:27 < skyroveRR> I wanna build it!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:48:30 < zigggggy> snuffeluffegus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Snuffleupagus
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:49:02 < FreezingCold> eh
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:49:15 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: usually leaving power related things to the "pros" is a good idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:49:20 < FreezingCold> you can build down a house easily
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:49:53 < snuffeluffegus> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:49:56  * skyroveRR thought building one himself would be a really good learning experience..
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:09 < zigggggy> snuffeluffegus what is your first name??
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:19 < zigggggy> it only shows your last name
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:30 < zigggggy> Aloysius
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:42  * ss23 looks at zigggggy 
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:50:47 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: true, rebuilding a house would be a great learning experience
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:48 < zigggggy> ss23! its snuffy!
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:50:58 < ss23> :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:09 < zigggggy> ss23 do you know who snuffy is???
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:17 < ss23> zigggggy: From Seaseme Street?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:20 < zigggggy> YES!
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:22 < ss23> :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:51:23 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: we ain't talking about a house, mate, I just want to build that to power 3 devices at the most. :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:30 < ss23> We use Seaseme Street for server names here
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:34 < zigggggy> :O
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:36 < ss23> snuffy is a server of ours
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:36 < ss23> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:40 < zigggggy> :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:51:48 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: I'm saying your house will burn down
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:51:48 < zigggggy> ss23 im going to china
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:51:54 < FreezingCold> and you'll have to rebuild it
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:51:56 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: o.o why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:52:01 < snuffeluffegus> zigggggy, my first name is irrelevant
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:52:11 < snuffeluffegus> It is and it isn't
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:52:11 < FreezingCold> because usually playing around with 120VAC is somewhat risky
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:52:23 < zigggggy> lol snuffeluffegus
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:52:27 < ss23> zigggggy: For another visit, or perm? :O
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:52:32 < snuffeluffegus> You may call me by anything you wish, and as long as you get my attention then the name served its purpose.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:53:12 < zigggggy> who wants to live in china?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:53:14 < R0b0t1> phat stacks
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:53:16 < R0b0t1> then you bail
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:54:26 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: meh, that's a bit demotivating..
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:54:51 < Fatal> fancy seeing you here, ziggy. now i have to question you lack of knowledge of the resistor color codes :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:54:59 < ss23> zigggggy: You visit a lot! I thought maybe you might want to live there :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:55:01 < FreezingCold> skyroveRR: i'm all for projects, but power conversion isn't something you want to learn with
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:55:08 < FreezingCold> use a proper UPS
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:55:22 < zigggggy> Fatal :O
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:55:38 < snuffeluffegus> Is there something wrong with China?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T05:55:46 < skyroveRR> FreezingCold: what's wrong with powering a batt? And then using that power as an alternate source when everything else fails? :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:55:49 < snuffeluffegus> Besides their human rights violations and pollution?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:55:49 < zigggggy> snuffeluffegus yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T05:55:56 < zigggggy> snuffeluffegus and very slow filtered internet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T06:32:24 < evil_dan2wik> idk, let me get it.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T06:36:51 < mcurran> does this not sound like the best job ever:  - Analyze the Vulnerabilities of the OS systems and network.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T15:58:26 < evilbetty> say you love me too
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T15:58:55 < fahadash> Does the other side of Microwave oven have special component that absorbs the radiation ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T15:59:32 < jacekowski> fahadash: metal
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:00:03 < fahadash> jacekowski, Is that special type of metal or just regular body of it does that ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:00:28 < evilbetty> a big layer of grease and old food :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:36:51 < evilbetty> what a silly question :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:36:59 < Polesch> Haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:36:59 < Callmea> I saw that :http://www.atarado.com/soft-circuit-editor-schematic-layout-design-free ?!
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:37:05 < FreezingCold> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Computing-Promotions/Windows-XP-Trade-In-Offer/pcmcat327400050019.c?id=pcmcat327400050019
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:37:14 < FreezingCold> That's for all the lucky Americans here
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:38:38 < Callmea> FreezingCold,Hell. lucky americans :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:38:44 < Callmea> Hello*
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:38:49 < FreezingCold> Callmea: that's a chromebook for $100
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:06 < Callmea> evil : i download the windows version of kicad.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:20 < jsoft> How do I turn a magnet on and off?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:39:20 < FreezingCold> ewww windows
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:37 < jsoft> Windows works
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:39:40 < FreezingCold> jsoft: if you're running current through a coil, just turn the coil off ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:39:44 < FreezingCold> jsoft: no, it doesnt
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:44 < MasterAccurate> I like ASUS =)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:39:53 < Callmea> FreezingCold, i don't like too muche google's things aka android, chrome, chrome os but maybe we can install cool things on it ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:53 < evilbetty> oops
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:39:54 < jsoft> Sure it does, FreezingCold.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:54 < MasterAccurate> and Siemens :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:39:59 < evilbetty> i had a talk with the boss :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:09 < evilbetty> about nonworkrelated stuff lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:40:10 < FreezingCold> Callmea: you can just throw Debian on it probably
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:40:17 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: Siemens seems expensive :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:26 < MasterAccurate> yes but is very good
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:34 < MasterAccurate> and very good service
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:37 < evilbetty> i know there is a german software to do stripboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:38 < evilbetty> but meh
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:40:49 < MasterAccurate> my gateway is some siemens nixdorf =)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:40:50 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: fun fact, their equipment is being used at iranian nuclear plants
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:00 < MasterAccurate> :D I know
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:02 < MasterAccurate> SCADA
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:41:03 < Callmea> FreezingCold, if it isn't jailbreaked . but a linux on it will be cool :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:14 < MasterAccurate> I know that botnets ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:41:28  * FreezingCold checks siemen's job postings
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:31 < evilbetty> and stuxnet
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:35 < MasterAccurate> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:41:44 < evilbetty> good old days
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:43:57 < evilbetty> that looks like braindamage from too much drugs
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:13 < evilbetty> i know a girl like that
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:17 < evilbetty> used to be a very pretty girl
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:44:24 < FreezingCold> Callmea: oh it has an x86 CPU in it
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:31  * hackkitten pets evilbetty~
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:32 < evilbetty> 1 wrong boyfriend who did too much coke and now she looks like a crackwh*re
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:37 < MasterAccurate> off topic again evilbetty? :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:44:37 < FreezingCold> Callmea: windows should work
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:39 < evilbetty> very sad rezlly
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:48  * hackkitten read that as evilbetty saying that he used to be a pretty girl
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:44:57  * hackkitten blames her IRC client's formatting
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:46:18 < evilbetty> i used to shake my ass in a gold bikini in RnB clips
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:46:43 < theorbtwo> evilbetty: Pics or it didn't happen?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T16:46:56 < Callmea> FreezingCold, A very good deal :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:47:12 < MasterAccurate> interesting page about usa =D http://www.census.gov/
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T16:47:12 < evilbetty> just turn your tv on mtv
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:29:20 < hjf> like for example, here in argentina, a mother is *always* given custody of her kid
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:29:30 < hjf> doesn't matter if the mother lives in the ghetto and the dad is bill gates
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:29:30 < FreezingCold> So i'm looking for ideas on my final project
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:29:33 < FreezingCold> I've got a six axis robot
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:29:44 < FreezingCold> and a pneumatic rodless cylinder/belt thingy
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:29:44 < Callmea> i have found a open source software for design veroboard/stripboard. I m currently testing it, it seems to be very nice :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:29:45 < smeding> hjf: https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/eb06b5e4215ca45b3430c0db79c03b43/tumblr_mmcidzQUq61sn3z1uo1_500.gif
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:29:53 < FreezingCold> with three senors (each side + middle)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:29:56 < hjf> the mother gets the kid, decides when the father can see the kid, but court forces the dad to pay
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:30:02 < Callmea> http://blackboard.serverpool.org/ if someone nneeds one too :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:30:05 < FreezingCold> and a sense to see if anything is placed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:30:09 < esas> What width should the solder be on a 5x5mm 32-pin QFN (0.5mm pin spacing) footprint? To avoid short circuit.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:30:24 < smeding> esas: manufacturer probably gives recommendations in some document
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:31:46 < hjf> OMG
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:31:49 < pwillard> esas, the width of the pin and double the contact length is what I do.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:31:57 < hjf> it wasn't OMG teehehehe
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:32:09 < FreezingCold> hjf: are you going somewhere with this?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:32:23 < hjf> women can also be dicks
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:32:55 < Epic|> mostly cunts
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:33:05 < hjf> another of "women's" rights they have here
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:53:37 < evilbetty> credits go to 3rd line who know everything better but in the end do everything wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:53:55 < evilbetty> because their arrogance ir bigger than their looking up skills
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:55:58 < FreezingCold> so i'm opening a laptop charger
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:56:02 < FreezingCold> how can I avoid killing myself here?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:56:06 < FreezingCold> it was recently plugged in
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:56:12 < R0b0t1> Don't eat it
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:56:22 < R0b0t1> and I think you'll be good
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:56:55 < FreezingCold> so the capicators don't store much voltage?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:56:59 < FreezingCold> capacitors *
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:57:40 < FreezingCold> and the crowd goes wild!
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:58:01 < FreezingCold> nooooo
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T17:58:48 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Capacitors store energy
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:58:57 < R0b0t1> and no, there's not a lot and it's not at a very high potential
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:59:24 < madisk> in a laptop charger there's a capacitor at mains voltage, R0b0t1
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T17:59:52 < madisk> and its not a small capacitor either. few tens to few hundreds of uF
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:00:05 < FreezingCold> yeah it's a 400v47uF capacitor
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:00:09 < FreezingCold> would that hurt?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:00:15 < madisk> very much
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:00:26 < evilbetty> use the cat
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:00:27 < FreezingCold> how should I discharge it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:00:32 < evilbetty> cats are good capacitor dischargers
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:00:35 < madisk> apply the cat to the terminals
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:00:59 < FreezingCold> madisk: I don't have ca t
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:01:07 < madisk> FreezingCold: do you have a younger brother ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:01:10 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:01:25 < madisk> guess then you're out of luck.
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:01:35 < evilbetty> mother in law
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:02:06 < evilbetty> if all else fails just use a resistor i guess, but thats kinda boring
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:02:14 < FreezingCold> I'm not married
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:02:19 < FreezingCold> resistor or short it out?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:02:23 < FreezingCold> I always thought it was the latter
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:02:25 < evilbetty> dont short it out
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:02:29 < evilbetty> thats the hillbilly method
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:02:39 < FreezingCold> won't it blow a resistor?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:02:51 < evilbetty> use a big resistor :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:03:06 < madisk> FreezingCold: use a big resistor. 1 megohm or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:03:13 < FreezingCold> I only have 1/4 watt resistors
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:03:14 < evilbetty> i meant big in size :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:03:27 < evilbetty> then put 4 in parallel :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:05:14 < madisk> evilbetty: its too small to short out. you need minimum 10,000uF 56V to be able to properly it short out.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:05:33 < FreezingCold> madisk: what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:05:41 < madisk> Polesch: http://i.imgur.com/zzKoF6H.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:05:45 < evilbetty> wat?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:05:46 < FreezingCold> so I can short it out?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:05:55 < madisk> Polesch: from left to right: 12AX7, 6DJ8, 6BM8, 6R-E13, 5M-K9, CV408, 6AK5, 12AU7, 6AU6
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:06:02 < josvuk> whay i get 254 for lshift as scancode?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:06:18 < evilbetty> what does too small to short out even mean?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:06:29 < josvuk> something wrong with the keyboard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:07:19 < Polesch> madisk, nice ones
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:07:34 < FreezingCold> how many pins wide should I made my 40 pin socket go into?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:07:37 < FreezingCold> 4 pins?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:08:58 < madisk> Polesch: you should buy some of these as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiqIkoS0D8Y
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:10:31 < FreezingCold> wtfff this PCB is missing a trace!
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:10:52 < evilbetty> its done on purpose to keep you sharp
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:11:01 < evilbetty> or it was the fuse trace :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:11:39 < FreezingCold> that
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:11:41 < FreezingCold> that
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:11:44 < FreezingCold> fail enter key
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:11:46 < FreezingCold> that's so stupid
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:15:43 < FreezingCold> so which pin should I make go missing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:15:51 < FreezingCold> 1, 20, 21 or 40?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:16:47 < FreezingCold> i'm thinking 21
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:19:40 < _688as> fartbleed
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:19:44 < FreezingCold> wut
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:24:12 < r0b-> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:25:33 < FreezingCold> heh I need to get some flux
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:27:24 < evilbetty> why do you need to make a pin missing?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:27:50 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: because the PCB is missing that pin lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:27:57 < FreezingCold> it's not optional
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:28:14 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/221099305547?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:28:20 < FreezingCold> right at the bottom
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:28:53 < JFK911> ok, one radio is fixed
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:29:00 < JFK911> and the amp is not broken!
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:29:00 < evilbetty> huh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:29:44 < evilbetty> that pcb looks like crap anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:29:48 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: http://www.ywhome.com.cn/en_pro_pic/PVC_DB_4.6X7.9_A.jpg <- look at the bottom right
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:29:49 < evilbetty> left pins and right pins are linked
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:29:50 < FreezingCold> there's no trace
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:29:53 < evilbetty> so you'll need to cut those traces
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:30:08 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: no, I need those traces
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:30:22 < FreezingCold> this is for a ZIF socket
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:30:44 < evilbetty> why would you need to connect left to right pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:30:44 < evilbetty> all of them
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:31:19 < FreezingCold> because it's to make the ZIF socket go down to 4 pins?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:31:23 < drac_boy> hi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:31:43 < evilbetty> ok then
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:31:56 < evilbetty> no clue what you're saying, but its not important
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:31:56 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: but yeah, see how there's ONE trace that's missing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:32:21 < drac_boy> I know its a bit of deep question but I had to ask if arm cpus are always only going to end up on unexpandable boards or am I wrong? (I mean in term of pci bus whether compact or full size anyway)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:52:52 < blockh34d> but hey they replaced my fried lcd controller board, almost no questions asked
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:53:09 < blockh34d> chances are it was always fine and the error was PEBKAC... they didnt care
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:53:22 < evilbetty> i'm sure on ebay if you mention paypal complaint or negative feedback that you'll get a new lcd too :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:53:32 < FreezingCold> adafruit is like the proper sparkfun
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:53:36 < blockh34d> i dunno, some chinese shippers got a whole thing worked out
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:53:37 < evilbetty> lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:53:48 < FreezingCold> ebay honestly has some really good chinese sellers
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:53:56 < blockh34d> where they're replace it, but only if you pay for insurance on return shipping and its more than the product cost
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:01 < evilbetty> i'd rather pay $6 on ebay than $25 on adafruit for same lcd display tbh
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:06 < evilbetty> but thats my opinion
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:07 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: none of them have ever asked for me to return a product
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:07 < blockh34d> fair enough
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2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:16 < FreezingCold> the only thing that pisses me off is when I buy from a hong kong seller and it turns out they're shipping from mainland china
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:16 < evilbetty> ok not exactly same
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:18 < FreezingCold> that's really annoying
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:21 < blockh34d> cool i'll keep that in mind next time
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:22 < evilbetty> the adafruit one did have a 3.3v reg
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:28 < blockh34d> i think i will still buy from adafruit though
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:30 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: don't abuse it
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:32 < evilbetty> but thats not worth $19 :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:33 < blockh34d> i just like their business model
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:42 < blockh34d> and i don tmind paying extra to help them stay in business
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:47 < FreezingCold> hong kong is only an extra few days compared to the USA
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:49 < evilbetty> gettign sich on unaware arduino hobbyists?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:54:49 < FreezingCold> china is weeks
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:54:52 < evilbetty> getting rich
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:01 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: but at least they only somewhat rip people off
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:01 < evilbetty> if you call that a business model then yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:03 < FreezingCold> and they're nice about it
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:05 < FreezingCold> sparkfun isn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:10 < blockh34d> well now theres more arduino hobbyist though right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:12 < JFK911> FreezingCold: really?  china post delivers here in about 10-14 calendar days
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:14 < blockh34d> so its worth it imo
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:24 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i think hk post is actually slower hee hee
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:32 < blockh34d> the expense is worht the accessiblity i think
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:35 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's way faster to Canada
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:38 < FreezingCold> maybe it's customs
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:43 < JFK911> it could be
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:44 < evilbetty> my rgb leds arrived in 18 days or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:46 < FreezingCold> but I've had stuff literally lost in the mail for months from china
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:50 < JFK911> i have noticed certain countries are just delayed
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T18:55:51 < FreezingCold> never happened with hk
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:55:58 < evilbetty> i had stuff lost for months from US
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T18:56:01 < blockh34d> adafruit had a new display in my hands within 48 hours
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:06 < nullvibe> JFK911: PEOPLE make propaganda, so yeah. that applies to government as well. hence the reason to demand FACTS supported by empirical evidence that has been reviewed by trustworthy professionals
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:07 < blockh34d> but i think there should literaly be not one government secret
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:09 < blockh34d> 0
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T19:08:14 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T19:08:16 < FreezingCold> I put the pins in wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:21 < JCM83> haha moron
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:23 < JCM83> you put the pins in wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:24 < azonenberg> blockh34d: What about the name and location of a spy in a foreign country?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:32 < azonenberg> you saying we should be putting that in the newspaper?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:34 < blockh34d> azonenberg: what are they doing there?
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:38 < azonenberg> now he shows up dead tomorrow and we have no spy
2014-04.log:2014-04-09T19:08:39 < FreezingCold> JCM83: I put the socket in first...
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:40 < blockh34d> azonenberg: they should get a real job
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:51 < azonenberg> You clearly don't know anything about how international relationships *really* work
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T19:08:52 < JCM83> hell yeah they should get a real job.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T20:00:21 < smeding> you can get cheaper embedded devices for sure
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2014-04.log-2014-04-09T20:00:38 < nullvibe> smeding: odds are, you'll say the same thing about some lower-level electronic gizmo at some point where I'll be in the OP's shoes. remember that :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T20:00:55 < smeding> oh, definitely call me out if that happens
2014-04.log-2014-04-09T20:00:57 < smeding> i am only humans
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:00:40 < Martin90> anyway, why does usb charger cable has 4 wires inside ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:13:24 < sabotender> I hate not having the simple crap that I need
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:13:38  * sabotender blames it all on R0b0t1 
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T00:15:22 < FreezingCold> hmmm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T00:15:37 < FreezingCold> I wonder if I can sneak out of my house without waking anybody up and them not noticing in the morning
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:15:42 < CESSMASTER> i remember one thing that impressed me a lot about my mac was that when you shorted the USB supply rails, it would show a popup telling you that it had cut power to USB and to press "ok" after yo'uve removed the offending device
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:16:59 < CESSMASTER> they went to some effort
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T00:17:42 < FreezingCold> man fuck this is a hard decision
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:21:04 < crumb> i need to find a female micro hdmi to male mini hdmi adapter :|
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:21:24 < R0b0t1> crumb: They exist?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:21:26 < R0b0t1> ???
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T00:21:53 < FreezingCold> yeah?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T00:22:02 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: like the microusb looking hdmi plugs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T00:26:01 < crumb> or a female hdmi to micro female hdmi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T03:12:56 < Hyratel> the 317 is a variable voltage regulator
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T03:13:05 < hugogee> Hyratel, yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T03:13:05 < Hyratel> try twiddling r3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T03:14:10 < Vutral> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T03:14:12 < GPF_1> http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irfp260n.pdf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:02:09 < xDR1TeK> yes, the good old days
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:02:23 < gnolk> TV repair was big!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:16:19 < Flea86> *AC Motor controller
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:17:15 < Flea86> gnolk: Well, that premise has been with us for some time now, now it's about making the machines smarter and even more profitable
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:17:28 < FreezingCold> oh fun,we're talking about PLCs?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:17:46 < Flea86> FreezingCold: I believe so yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:17:48 < Flea86> }:A
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:18:06 < gnolk> Please go in with a PLC talk I am interested
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:18:14 < gnolk> Go on
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:18:42 < Flea86> FreezingCold: gnolk would like to know, where that industry is headed in your view.. :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:18:54 < ElMonkey> Flea86, you don't happen to know of any driver board capable of driving 230V AC motors as a VFD?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:18:55 < R0b0t1> it's not going to be obsoleted any time soon
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:19:02 < R0b0t1> but their software is typically fucking horrible
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:19:13 < FreezingCold> we're going to move to FPGA based PLCs I'd assume
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:19:21 < FreezingCold> 5-10 years
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:19:25 < FreezingCold> probably more like 5
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:19:33 < Flea86> ElMonkey: What sort of power rating for the motor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:19:45 < ElMonkey> Flea86, 2.2kW abouts
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:19:57 < R0b0t1> I dunno. I have designs for a system that uses multiple cores and that can do some neat stuff
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:23:49 < Flea86> R0b0t1: I am not a fan of ladder either, but I wouldn't call it broken either
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:23:53 < ElMonkey> Flea86, you know of some hackable ones?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:23:55 < gnolk> 1000$ is candy money in the industry
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:23:56 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: verilog would make sense to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:24:25 < Flea86> To control a machine? nahh I disagree
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:24:50 < FreezingCold> if you're not going to go hardcore verilog, you might as well just do C/C++
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:25:09 < skyroveRR> Anyone?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:25:11 < Flea86> Of all the languages I've ever used, I really liked the Baldor motion BASIC stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:25:18 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Issue is verilog is a pretty high barrier
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:25:35 < FreezingCold> LETSS DO IT IN JAVA!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:25:41  * FreezingCold does a trollface
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:25:47 < gnolk> java ha ha ha
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:25:56 < MasterAccurate> haidihaido
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:26:53 < Flea86> R0b0t1: otoh, would you take an 'open-PLC' and run your machine with it, only to have a bug totally wreck it?? I mean, who would you sue.. :P
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:27:21 < FreezingCold> it's like companies that pay for redhat and won't consider CentOS or Oracle because it's not "supported" by their software
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:27:45 < R0b0t1> Flea86: Considering proprietary solutions do not remove bugs and in fact tend to have more bugs,
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:27:48 < R0b0t1> no, I would not mind at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:28:02 < skyroveRR> :/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:29:33 < R0b0t1> They just have to say they do not necessarily see it fit for any particular purpose
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:29:36 < R0b0t1> that clause in the GPL
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:29:43 < R0b0t1> that is used in basically every license ever
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:29:53 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:29:58 < gnolk> the fact of the matter is that in the industry everything must be solid ,when those machines have problems and production stops ,all heal breaks lose.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:30:12 < FreezingCold> tons of companies say "YOU CAN'T SUE US IF WE KILL PEOPLE" in their datasheets
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:30:32 < FreezingCold> like Zilog even says you aren't allowed to use their products for medical or "life critical" systems
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:31:05 < gav0> i want to build 12 high-side constant current switches that would switch 24V 2A, what would be the industry standard way to do it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:31:08 < vetch> any product can be "life critical"
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:31:36 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: They all say that
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:31:39 < R0b0t1> but yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:31:44 < FreezingCold> right
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:31:47 < FreezingCold> so you might as well use whatever
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:31:51 < FreezingCold> no need to pay more
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:32:43 < Flea86> I was referring to poor or bad system design, not necessarily bad component design beyond the indisputedly terrible..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:35:22 < Flea86> evilbetty: Nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:35:29 < evilbetty> they're known for being crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:35:39 < evilbetty> but the good alternative is ridiculously expensive
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:35:39 < FreezingCold> Should I start sampling Microchip's 32-bit PICs?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:35:56 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Why not? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:35:56 < evilbetty> SHT something, but i beliebve they're like $30 for 1 sensor
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:35:57 < vetch> all the crap will average out
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:36:10 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I used to only sample their 8-bit chips
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:36:30 < evilbetty> lol freeloaders :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:36:35 < FreezingCold> hey
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:36:36 < FreezingCold> hey hey
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:36:38 < FreezingCold> ...yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:36:40 < evilbetty> whats going on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:37:14 < evilbetty> i have to testfly my heli but i'm scared :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:37:22 < FreezingCold> pics pics!
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:37:35 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:37:43 < evilbetty> i cannot fly and make pics at same time
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:37:47 < Flea86> evilbetty: YT it!
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:37:58 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: ...I want pics of the model
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:37:59 < evilbetty> i need a helmet mounted gopro :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:38:11 < Flea86> Mount a cam on it!
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:38:13 < Flea86> }:A
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:14 < evilbetty> i know
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:17 < evilbetty> 808 keychain cams
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:39:17  * FreezingCold tries to find the most expensive 32-bit PIC
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:39:20 < FreezingCold> in a dip package that is
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:31 < vetch> nah, smaller than an 808
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:36 < evilbetty> its a mini heli tho
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:41 < evilbetty> its just 29 cm
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:50 < evilbetty> but it flies 3D etc its
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:39:54 < evilbetty>  has everything a larger opne does
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:07 < Flea86> evilbetty: 3d means it's auto-stabilized right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:40:18 < jpa-> FreezingCold: i can sell you one for $5000
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:18 < Flea86> I forget
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:18 < evilbetty> it mainly means it can fly upside down :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:28 < Flea86> That's nuts!
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:40:29 < FreezingCold> jpa-: it has to be given to me for free though
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:31 < Flea86> :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:35 < Flea86> * :o
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:36 < evilbetty> it has cvhanging pitch of the blades instead of changing motor throttle
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:40:45 < jpa-> FreezingCold: doesn't sound very expensive, then
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:40:50 < vetch> evilbetty: aw, all of the "spy" cameras on DX have been removed :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:40:53 < FreezingCold> jpa-: sampling
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:41:03 < evilbetty> hehe ah well, they're still on ebay
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:41:13 < evilbetty> but my oven is beeping my food is ready
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:41:15 < evilbetty> laterz
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T19:57:03 < hjf> https://imgur.com/gallery/QLGFiLI
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:57:44 < FreezingCold> hjf: I don't see why you guys hate ladder so much
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:57:54 < FreezingCold> I'm okay with it
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T19:58:07 < FreezingCold> hjf: pay me $50 and I'll do your ladderz
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T20:02:26 < ziikutv1> Hello what does one mean when they say "Voltage regulation using diodes and diode series"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T20:03:27 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, should I sample a PIC32MX250F128B or a PIC18F4685?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T20:04:13 < gregtom6> ElMonkey: -.-
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T20:04:16 < gregtom6> seriously
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T21:50:35 < kludge> azonenberg: http://www.panix.com/~kludge/trainingcircular2.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T21:52:51 < FreezingCold> god damn microsoft
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T21:53:12 < FreezingCold> they sent me a skype newsletter with no unsubscribe button
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:02:06 < JFK911> isnt that a crime FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:02:18 < FreezingCold> it should be
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:02:28 < JFK911> no luck with the battery.  it started with a surface charge, i drove it for 20 minutes and it didnt start again :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:02:32 < FreezingCold> I emailed them telling them to unsub me and it didn't bounce back
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:02:43 < JFK911> i'll let it self discharge and try desulfating it again and see if the water helps
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:02:52 < FreezingCold> man I should buy a UPS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:03:58 < Pinas> hello all
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:06:09 < Pinas> a beginner question. What is usually the color for the gnd cable ??
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:06:45 < FreezingCold> Black
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:06:48 < smeding> depends a little what you mean by that
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:00 < FreezingCold> Sometimes it's green, but that's usually for heavier electronics
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:04 < smeding> well
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:07 < smeding> they have different functions
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:11 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:13 < smeding> and it depends where in the world you're at
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:16 < Pinas> its a small coffe machine :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:22 < Pinas> and I am in europe (austria)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:23 < smeding> the green one (green/yellow) here is protective earth
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:24 < FreezingCold> so probably not 3-phase
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:27 < FreezingCold> ooooohhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:30 < FreezingCold> you're from europe
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:07:33 < FreezingCold> yeah, please ignore me
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:51 < ElMonkey> green/yellow is protective ground
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:07:58 < ElMonkey> blue/black usually neutral
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:08:03 < ShadowJK> in electrical installations striped green/yellow
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:08:15 < ElMonkey> well, blue is neutral
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:08:17 < FreezingCold> ElMonkey: in three phase green is earth and black is hot (phase 1)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:08:17 < ElMonkey> in AC
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:08:24 < ElMonkey> black in DC
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:08:27 < Pinas> I have a black, yellow, red green and blue wire here
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:08:42 < FreezingCold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring#Colour_code
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:08:54 < FreezingCold> ...you have five wires?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:09:13 < Pinas> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:09:43 < Pinas> I took a cheap coffe machine and removed the switch (want to switch it with my raspberry :D )
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:09:47 < FreezingCold> do you have three prongs or something on the plug?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:09:53 < FreezingCold> ohhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:09:57 < FreezingCold> so this is a tiny little switch right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:10:04 < FreezingCold> Not a heavy duty plug or anything?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:10:13 < Pinas> its quite tiny
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:10:37 < FreezingCold> Pinas: do you have the original plug? Test it out and see which pins do what
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:10:42 < nullvibe> sounds scary
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:10:45 < smeding> check continuity
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:10:47 < smeding> while the machine is off
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:13:43 < madist> http://lh4.ggpht.com/-oDS-wc75G_Y/T_x97ULWQjI/AAAAAAAAA_c/LfNWw7geRfk/s1600-h/DSC02490%25255B7%25255D.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:13:56 < ziikutv1> bobo1on1: Why is there such a huge procedure to analyse clamping circuits? 1) Find Vo and iD in terms of Vi using FB diode and CVD model (Zener or Junction) solve inequality iD > 0 for vI when is this true? 2) Repeat last step with Zener CVD. 3) Find v0 in terms of vI using ideal model (Zener or Junction). 4) Take all three results to plot a trnasfer function...
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:14:10 < Pinas> yes I have the switch itself but I don't reall know what it tells me
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:14:13 < FreezingCold> Pinas: do you have a multimeter or anything?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:14:18 < Pinas> nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:14:30 < FreezingCold> Pinas: do you know how GPIO pins work on your RPi?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:14:33 < ElMonkey> well you're gonna need one
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:14:41 < ElMonkey> especially if you dont want to fry your pi
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:14:44 < FreezingCold> ElMonkey: all he needs to do is check continuity
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:14:53 < FreezingCold> no real need for a DMM here
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:15:02 < Pinas> FreezingCold - yes the programming part is no problem. I can already switch a relay
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:15:17 < ElMonkey> FreezingCold, i disagree, you should know the voltages
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:15:25 < ElMonkey> unless you just go through a 230V relay
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:15:33 < FreezingCold> ElMonkey: it's a relay switch, it doesn't really matter
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:01 < FreezingCold> Pinas: okay so you understand how inputs and outputs work. Use that to test out each pin
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:07 < FreezingCold> shouldn't be terrible hard to figure out
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:27 < FreezingCold> madist: what are you doing..>?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:16:33 < joebobjoe> I have a general question (I'm just getting into electronics). How do you use GPIO pins on something like an Arduino to control things that expect much more power or different voltages (e.g., a motor)?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:16:43 < smeding> joebobjoe: depends, there are several ways
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:48 < Pinas> FreezingCold ok - but to do that I first need to find the Ground and the VCC on the coffe machine right ??
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:52 < FreezingCold> joebobjoe: Relay or MOSFET
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:16:59 < FreezingCold> joebobjoe: Relay is the easiest
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:03 < smeding> nah
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:08 < smeding> you usually need a transistor to switch a relay
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:09 < smeding> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:17:11 < joebobjoe> smeding FreezingCold: Relay, MOSFET, what else?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:17:19 < FreezingCold> smeding: my profs disagree, they all have a hard-on for relays
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:34 < smeding> the AVR can source like, a couple tens of mA max
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:38 < joebobjoe> How small are relays?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:38 < smeding> that's a pretty small relay afaik
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:17:49 < FreezingCold> true
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:17:56 < FreezingCold> that's why if I was designing something, I'd use a MOSFET
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:17:57 < smeding> joebobjoe: depends on what you're switching
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:18:04 < ElMonkey> smeding, plenty of relay boards that can switch AC from 5V input
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:18:17 < joebobjoe> smeding: Okay. Thanks. :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:18:20 < smeding> ElMonkey: that's a relay board, not a relay
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:18:21 < FreezingCold> ElMonkey: it wasn't a question of voltage, but rather curent
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:18:28 < smeding> ElMonkey: the relay board probably has a transistor to switch the relay
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:18:34 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:09 < Pinas> yea I got the super easy relay board for Arduino
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:10 < ElMonkey> smeding, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/100
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:19:19 < FreezingCold> I'm sure there's some overpriced Arduino thing to do this
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:20 < smeding> ElMonkey: yes i know what a relay is
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:23 < Pinas> according to amazon it works fine with the pi (and I seems to do so)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:24 < ElMonkey> works straight from gpio
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:34 < ElMonkey> no need for an additional transistor
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:48 < smeding> ElMonkey: 37.5mA coil current is pushing it from what i remember
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:19:51 < Pinas> hehe FreezingCold - yea there is some overpriced arduino thing and I bought it :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:19:51 < smeding> especially if you want to use several
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:20:01 < MasterAccurate> http://youtu.be/GrO_sFJlOyE <roflol>
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:20:02 < smeding> ElMonkey: and that one only does 5A, what if you want to do more :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:20:03 < FreezingCold> smeding: yeahhh 40mA is way too much
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:20:08 < FreezingCold> smeding: under 10mA would be okay
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:21:26 < frimend> Regular car batteries, how do I know if they are broken, or if they are simply bad?
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:21:47 < frimend> I'm thinking I should build a bad battery bank of bad car batteries, by wiring them in parallell.
2014-04.log:2014-04-10T22:21:53 < FreezingCold> frimend: lick the terminals
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2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:21:55 < smeding> ElMonkey: maximum DC current per I/O pin on the atmega328p is 40mA, so yeah, that's quite close to the rating
2014-04.log-2014-04-10T22:22:09 < frimend> Not to use daily, but to have as backup in case of a powerout or such.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:09:22 < FreezingCold> Wait, is this retarded or is it just me? This Acer charger has a grounded (3 prong) plug, but the connector isn't grounded, it's floating
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:09:27 < FreezingCold> wtf is the point of the ground then?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:09:57 < drazak> the rest of the circuitry is grounded
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:34:21 < FreezingCold> bcsllc-steve: >2014
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:34:25 < FreezingCold> still using uart
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:34:33 < JFK911> viva uarts
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:35:21 < JFK911> one day im going to ruin FreezingCold with something like eleven bit frames or odd parity
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:35:54 < FreezingCold> :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:35:57 < FreezingCold> don't hurt me
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:36:15 < jennie> hello , this  http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-T4A-T4000mA-4A-Square-Miniature-Micro-Fuse-Slow-Blow-Fuse-250V-/301149424719?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item461de78c4f fuse is installed in circuit and not showing Continuity ,does  it mean that  it is blown or is it special type of fuse and not suppose to show continuity in DMM ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:36:32 < JFK911> jennie: you using an ohmmeter and it reads what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:36:57 < jennie> I am using diode test mode , beep mode and its showing 0L
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:45:28 < JFK911> jennie: use ohmmeter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:45:53 < Hyratel1> http://www.samtec.com/connectors/high-speed-board-to-board.aspx
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:46:17 < bcsllc-steve> FreezingCold, plenty of circuits still use uarts
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:30 < jennie> ohm meter is also showing 0L
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:36 < bcsllc-steve> otherwise MCUs mfgs wouldnt pack MCUs full off uarts
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:41 < JFK911> does it mean OL
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:46:43 < FreezingCold> bcsllc-steve: I know ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:46 < JFK911> Over Load
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:46:46 < FreezingCold> I'm kind of kidding
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T00:46:50 < FreezingCold> UART is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:53 < JFK911> what does it say when you touch the probes together?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:46:54 < bcsllc-steve> kind of ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T00:47:02 < Viper168_> quantum physics at work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:02:43 < JFK911> you'll be scrubbing it off and doing it over again until you figure out the heat/pressure part
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:02:56 < JFK911> __rob: old printers had knobs for this on the inside
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:03:23 < FreezingCold> heh, so I need to do this final project
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:03:27 < FreezingCold> can't decide on what to do
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:03:32 < SpeedEvil> Have you ever woken in the morning, shaking in the nightmare that you don't have a bluetooth connected toothbrush?
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:03:36 < FreezingCold> I got a decent six axis robot
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:03:37 < SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2134904849/kolibree-the-worlds-first-connected-electric-tooth?ref=discovery
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:03:46 < FreezingCold> but my stupid project needs to have pneumatics in it too
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:04:09 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Can you use it for pornography
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:04:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I think we've been over this
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:04:20 < JFK911> Oh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:08:16 < FreezingCold> JFK911: 0.0
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:08:33 < FreezingCold> JFK911: If you loan me $5,000, you can have the first $20,000 of profits
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:08:48 < FreezingCold> that's actually a serious offer
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:09:00 < FreezingCold> rack rack city bitch
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:09:38 < JFK911> hehe lets think about this
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:11:02 < JFK911> this needs to be usable by the common miller lite/blue lite drinker
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:12:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I can write a HTML5 app that lets you pick from a large set of steps
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:12:57 < FreezingCold> I'm actually serious about this
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:13:02 < FreezingCold> I'll do it if you front some moeny
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T01:13:04 < FreezingCold> *money
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:16:37 < R0b0t1> SpeedEvil: Oh my god I can finally sleep at night
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:16:38 < JFK911> do you know anyone who would be a good creative director
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:19:21 < JFK911> maybe flash writes are blocking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:22:02 < Essobi> Would a TXB0108 be suitable for converting a JTAG interface from 3v3 to 5v?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T01:22:16 < Haffa> I thought that people get pcb's made when they're mass manufacturing something they've made to sell. What's the point in manufacturing something like 4? Wouldn't that be extremely cost inefficient?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T02:26:02 < bmoriarty> gotcha
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T02:26:13 < smeding> if you're putting them in parallel
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T02:26:21 < smeding> you're connecting +12V1 to +12V2
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T02:26:27 < smeding> (i think the -12V2 is a typo)
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T02:26:46 < smeding> (there is a separate -12V supply and as you can see it sources far less, since it's far less used)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:25:50 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:25:51 < FreezingCold> microsoft
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:25:52 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:25:56 < toothe> what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:26:11 < FreezingCold> I email asking to be unsubscribed from a newsletter, and they say my process can't be done unless I email
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:26:41 < LeelooMinai> Probably because newsletter uses email...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:27:08 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: read what I wrote again
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:27:20 < LeelooMinai> What you wrote does not make sense:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:27:28 < FreezingCold> I know
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:27:31 < ohsix> why would you even read it the first time amirite
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:27:40 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I fucked your mom, now stfu
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:27:51 < Casper> FreezingCold: well, almost as bad as AVG uninstaller
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:27:56 -!- OpenOcean is now known as Mad7Scientist
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:27:56 < ohsix> your insecurities are showing
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:28:09 < Mad7Scientist> Why are there so many kinds of transistors?
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:28:11 < FreezingCold> yeah, it has been an interesting week
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:28:41 < ohsix> Mad7Scientist: sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:28:49 < LeelooMinai> Mad7Scientist: Because they re key active comonent in circuits...
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:29:05 < FreezingCold> "Firefox can't find the server at my.email.skype.com."
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:29:07 < FreezingCold> fuck you microsoft
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:29:08 < FreezingCold> fuck you
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:29:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I saw this on x-factor
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:29:44 < Mad7Scientist> Shouldn't you be able to replace any PNP transistor with a variety of about 10 replacements with varying amounts of hfe to match what it is replacing?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:29:54 < FreezingCold> is x-factor the show where they eat bugs?
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:30:01 < FreezingCold> or is that something else?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:30:11 < LeelooMinai> Mad7Scientist: hfe is just one spec.. there's tons of others
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:30:45 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: No, it's "talent" show - I don't really watch it, but watched some funny contentasts on youtube
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:30:56 < LeelooMinai> contestents*
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:31:18 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: oh wait I think I know what you're talking about
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:31:36 < FreezingCold> the first canadian terrorist to be charged under our new terrorism law went on that show
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:31:40 < Mad7Scientist> well say all the others like capacitance and voltage and dissipation values
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:31:42 < FreezingCold> he also went to a high school near me
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:32:03 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: There's a new terrorism law? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:32:17 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momin_Khawaja
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:33:01 < Mad7Scientist> I need a PNP transistor with a minimum gain of 80 and I assume the max of 240 is important too. Needs to hold a small heatsink
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:33:02 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, they fubared him with that new sentence
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:34:39 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: His worst crime was horrible formatting
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:34:45 < FreezingCold> “I will start on the remote devices thing right away and will let u know once we have it ready for testing and i find some of the things for testing. Urea, nitro phosphate, anything else we need?”
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:34:48 < Mad7Scientist> why are eBay sellers charging $4 shipping for 1 transistor
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:34:49 < FreezingCold> look at that mess
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:35:03 < FreezingCold> Mad7Scientist: because they can't make money if it's under $0.99 really
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:35:07 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:35:11 < FreezingCold> I dunno why it's $4
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:35:15 < FreezingCold> not enough demand
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:35:21 < Mad7Scientist> desperate people
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:35:33 < Mad7Scientist> I really don't know what I'm doing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:39:42 < upgrdman> $8 smd resistor :) yay
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:39:52 < Mad7Scientist> I'll just use the 2SA733 which has a lower gain, and only handles 30v, but it should be enough for the MAGAMP controller with the blown 2sa916. The 2sa772 is a magamp controller from anohter power supply
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:16 < Mad7Scientist> I wish there was a local shop that did an order every 3 days
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:40:22 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: radioshack in canada is insane
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:40:26 < FreezingCold> the prices are horrible
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:26 < LeelooMinai> I kind of put stuff in the basket for weeks - as I progress with the project design
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:28 < toothe> this is a little frustrating
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:40:29 < FreezingCold> $5 for five LEDs
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:33 < toothe> I was expecting SDR to be a little...easier
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:37 < toothe> just go to the frequency in question
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:40:43 < toothe> I'm having trouble getting....anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:41:02 < toothe> I'm getting signals that seem almost digital - despite the fact that I'm going to known radio stations
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T05:41:06 < upgrdman> FreezingCold: :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:41:07 < Mad7Scientist> think replacing the 2sa916 with 2sa772 will work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T05:41:08 < toothe> like 88500 Mhz is NPR here.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T10:46:56 < cheater> can someone explain to me what the fuck condoleezza rice wants at bitbucket?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T10:47:12 < password2> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T10:48:39 < password2> linky?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T10:49:07 < corecode_> wut
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T21:42:52 < bobo1on1> it's like designing around the threshold voltage of a mosfet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T21:42:57 < robotustra> it does not exist
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T21:43:02 < Polesch_> My output is this.. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15526481/amp/20140407_153225.jpg so not good.
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T21:43:27 < evilbetty> a cleaner wave, but less zoomed in  http://users.telenet.be/corun/antenna/test01.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T21:43:32 < zap0> i have oxygen free rubber stoppers on the bottom of my amp, to stop vibrations caused by black helicopters
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:45:11 < frimend> Perhaps I should have fuses then.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:45:22 < SpeedEvil> frimend: Hot and thrusting dendrites poking through their tight seperators.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:45:45 < evilbetty> that sounds erotic
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:48:39 < evilbetty> its supposed to be isolated from it
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:48:43 < csrss> they don't put fuses between batteries
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:48:50 < csrss> between battery banks, sure
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:49:09 < evilbetty> it does have to make contact with that bent pin coming out of the back
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T22:49:25 < frimend> I can understand the conceptual wirings.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:43:38 < JFK911> did you replace brushes?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:43:47 < Lokomotiv> JFK911, I replaced the whole alternator
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:43:53 < Lokomotiv> with a more powerful version :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:43:59  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:44:23 < JFK911> there was a larger one for this car, too, but i don't know if it got a heavier wire
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:44:26 < Lokomotiv> JFK911, the idea is that you don't need to measure all the current that the alternator produces
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:50:15 < JFK911> i don't hear any noise in the radio, but i should connect 'scope to D+
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:50:24 < JFK911> maybe i'm missing a phase
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:52:20 < FreezingCold> huh, I can't seem to do RS232 through this chip
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:52:24 < FreezingCold> Does it matter what pins I use?
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:52:26 < FreezingCold> PIC16F887
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:52:36 < FreezingCold> I picked E1 and E2
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:54:28 < FreezingCold> oh, looks like maybe not
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2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:55:10 < FreezingCold> damn compiler
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:55:38 < Haikarainen> Would you guys recommend the Weller WHS40D soldering station? Also is it worth $199 USD or should I be able to get it cheaper?
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:55:47 < _AxS_> hey all .. anyone know what happens when the G rating of an accelerometer chip is exceeded?  Does it just do whatever it does at the highest-possible reading it can make, or....
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2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:57:49 < Haikarainen> _AxS_: It seems like it won't break, but it will give unreliable measurements above its g rating
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:58:10 < FreezingCold> what the hellll
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:58:16 < FreezingCold> why won't you work you stupid RS232
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:58:17 < englishman> $200? Hakko fx888d is $90...
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:58:17 < _AxS_> as long as it doesn't read the same as it does at rest, that's fine by me.  OK, so it's worth testing.  thanks!
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:58:44 < password2> _AxS_, afaik itmay infuence all readings
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:59:05 < FreezingCold> fucking PIC
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:59:21 < Haikarainen> FreezingCold: Being mad at it wont fix it :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:59:26 < password2> it usually round 10 000 G if i remember correctly
2014-04.log:2014-04-11T23:59:34 < FreezingCold> Haikarainen: ugh it's just very annoying
2014-04.log-2014-04-11T23:59:56 < password2> now this DC almost have regex matching
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:00:59 < _AxS_> Haikarainen: password2:  specs for most of the ones i've seen say the physical limitation is like 400g or more; i'm not going to exceed that.  but i don't care if the reading is reliable as long as it's different/higher than what it reads at say, 1g or below (1g is probably my trigger threshold)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:02:24 < Haikarainen> I'm interested in learning about how NAND gates can be used to create simple logical processors, can anyone recommend litterature on the subject? (Article/PDF or something)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:02:24 < _AxS_> ..in fact, as soon as i get that reading, (and since it looks like i'll need a PIC anyhow), i can probably shut down the accelerometer until the 2-3 minutes pass when i know rotation will have stopped..
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:03:00 < password2> 400g is very little if it mounter on a pcb
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:03:11 < FreezingCold> okay blinking LED going
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:03:13 < FreezingCold> right timing too
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:03:15 < _AxS_> g = 'g-force' not 'grahams'
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:03:42 < password2> i phone dropping may easily exceed 5000 G
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:05:14 < englishman> IPhone drop is certainly not 5000g... The landing however...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:05:28 < password2> if i remember correctly a smd chip may experience close to 10 000 G if drop from less than a meter
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:05:48 < FreezingCold> huh wtf this is weird
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:05:51 < password2> its not the fall that kills
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:06:03 < FreezingCold> I can't program my device when my serial cable is plugged in
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:06:12 < password2> but a free falling device reads zero G
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:06:46 < password2> and a stationary one reaad a G
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:06:51 < password2> *reads
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:08:27 < FreezingCold> the fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:08:34 < FreezingCold> I have to connect the pins AFTER it starts
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:08:35 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:08:36 < FreezingCold> lolwut
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:08:38 < FreezingCold> very wut
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:09:06 < Polesch> When should you worry about adapters making a noise?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:09:06 < password2> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:09:24 < FreezingCold> god why...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:09:31 < FreezingCold> it makes no sense
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:27:15 < xorm> mainly what i'm curious about is if separating the grounds with a resistor will pose problems
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:27:37 < xorm> i can see what you mean by loops
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:28:51 < FreezingCold> okay so I'm really confused
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:29:09 < FreezingCold> Why would plugging the transit and receiver pins /after/ power up make a difference?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:30:51 < password2> there , my dc client now does regex matching on spymagnets
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:31:26 < evilbetty> woop! ;)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:36:55 < evilbetty> even if i dont move
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:09 < LoRez> that must be why the stupid cadillac tail lights leave tracers
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:10 < evilbetty> anyway :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:37:19 < FreezingCold> ugh my fucking dog is barking
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:27 < evilbetty> many cars have crappy pwm taillights
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:30 < Polesch> Someone local is selling a 0-60V 0-20A SMPS, cool.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T00:37:34 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: orly?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:34 < evilbetty> but i am pretty sensitive to flicker
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:37:50 < evilbetty> i could see my crt at 85hz flicker just fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T00:38:07 < password2> i want to put a marker on a line following robot and watch it drive around following itself until it finds its own path
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:39:57 < madist> if you add a second winding to a choke, and use a resistor across the second winding to disspate power induced in this secondary, it should improve the choke. (it seems that way to me)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:40:06 < madist> but simulating it shows no effect.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:40:15 < madist> where's the mistake in my idea ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:43:52 < FreezingCold> with a hd44780, can I share every pin except the enable?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:44:24 < FreezingCold> Or does the Register Select need it's own pin?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:45:18 < drac_boy> hi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:48:01 < madist> hi_boy
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:48:29 < robotustra_> hi girl
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:50:59 < FreezingCold> Does the register select need it's own pin?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:51:41 < robotustra_> chip select?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:51:42 < FreezingCold> google implies no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:51:51 < FreezingCold> robotustra_: na, I have a different enable pin
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:51:54 < FreezingCold> which is clearly not going to be shared
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:52:10 < robotustra_> so no need then
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:52:13 < robotustra_> SPI?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T01:52:50 < robotustra_> how are you going to reset chip than?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:53:58 < FreezingCold> uh, using the enable pin and then sending data?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T01:54:03 < FreezingCold> it's a hd44780 controller
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:00:53 < robotustra_> this pin select between DDRAM and CGRAM
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:01:17 < robotustra_> so I sink this pin deserve a separate IO pin
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:01:23 < robotustra_> think
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:02:30 < FreezingCold> but if it's not enabled, shouldn't it not matter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:03:05 < robotustra_> you toggle this pin depending on where to send data
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:03:55 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZKc3PBs67c
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:04:04 < robotustra_> how are you going to control indicator if you will not use this pin?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:05:32 < FreezingCold> I'm going to use it
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:05:40 < FreezingCold> Never mind, I don't think you know what I'm asking
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:05:43 < FreezingCold> I'll just try it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:08:08 < robotustra_> I already looked throug the datasheet of hd44780
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:10:11 < FreezingCold> You understand that I'm using two of them right?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:11:15 < robotustra_> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:11:24 < FreezingCold> lol there we go
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:11:26 < robotustra_> 2 drivers of led
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:11:37 < robotustra_> 2 screen?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:11:48 < robotustra_> 2 LCD screen?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:12:48 < FreezingCold> the latter
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:27:42 < FreezingCold> robotustra_: so on that LCD screen, it takes ~0-5V for the brightness
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:27:50 < FreezingCold> Can I stick a PWM control on it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:28:09 < SpeedEvil> Likely
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:28:23 < robotustra_> with cup on the wire
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:28:23 < SpeedEvil> Worst case, you need a RC filter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:30:18 < SpeedEvil> GPF_1: Or you can do paypal
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:30:27 < smeding> Engen: yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:30:31 < GPF_1>  well that's the problem, I don't have pP.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:30:36 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: yeah they're fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:30:47 < Engen> smeding: cheers
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:30:48 < SpeedEvil> I've ordered many times without issue
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:30:55 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: Hmm, what values do you think would be decent for an RC filter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:31:01 < naquad> SpeedEvil, smeding any ideas on a better book? :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:31:05 < GPF_1> ok, they have the Hantek CC-65 clamps I want to get for the scopes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:31:11 < smeding> naquad: better book? why?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:36:25 < Flynnn> SpeedEvil: I just would like to see how much an oscilloscope with radio frequency sample rates costs, pretty much
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:36:26 < smeding> naquad: any connection of resistors and sources will give a linear relation between voltage and current
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:36:37 < smeding> naquad: you can represent any linear relation as y = mx + b
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:36:47 < FreezingCold> so my phone is touching itself
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:36:53 < FreezingCold> the lock screen is trying to bounce up
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T02:37:06  * FreezingCold checks for ghosts
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:37:16 < smeding> naquad: so in this case V = mI + b
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:37:16 < SpeedEvil> Flynnn: 'radio frequency' varies from 30KHz up to about 3000GHz
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T02:37:17 < KornKage> robotustra_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:08:35 < JFK911> my kids going to love this
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:10:47 < FreezingCold> bing bing bing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:11:01 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I thought you had one son?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:11:20 < JFK911> yea my kid is going to love this
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:11:50 < JFK911> the frequency and capcode were lasered onto the back of the pager
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:14:34 < JFK911> Engen: usually to send a phone number to call someone back at
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:15:10 < Casper> JFK911: have you toyed with sdr?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:15:24 < JFK911> yea i have a rtlsdr stick and a couple hardware sdr radios
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:15:47 < FreezingCold> me too
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:15:54 < FreezingCold> it's such an easy time waster
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:15:57 < Engen> JFK911: right right
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:16:04 < JFK911> probably some radios i have from early 2000 years are sdr
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:16:17 < JFK911> they generate fm or digital voice using a dsp
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:16:18 < Casper> does you know if it's possible to get provoice talkgroup on it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:16:44 < FreezingCold> what's that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:16:58 < Casper> one type of trunking
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:16:59 < FreezingCold> Is that Motorola?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:17:02 < JFK911> i havent heard of anyone decoding provoice.  i have some orion radios but im not sure if i can generate a feature key or if i need a hardware option board
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:17:20 < Casper> no idea who is it...
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:17:28 < GPF_1> damn cc companies
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:06 < JFK911> orion is middle-aged edacs hardware
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:07 < JFK911> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:13 < JFK911> i got some of my radios from there!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:15 < FreezingCold> Casper: Montreal?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:19 < FreezingCold> wait no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:20 < FreezingCold> van
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:27 < JFK911> they are very interesting and rare in the usa because of the specific frequency band
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:29 < FreezingCold> Downtown Vancouver IIRC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:30 < JFK911> Yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:32 < Casper> FreezingCold: you were close
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:34 < JFK911> you can listen that
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:37 < Casper> south shore of mtl
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:39 < JFK911> the keys are easily guessable
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:45 < FreezingCold> damn I'm thinking of someone else then
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:18:51 < JFK911> i forgot who told me he was doing this and the details though
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:18:53 < FreezingCold> Casper: Quebec city...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:19:00 < FreezingCold> I fail at maps
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:19:03 < Casper> http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/13350   <=== that feed... I want to listen to the "band 4" and the "admin"... which isn't there
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:19:03 < JFK911> Casper: and i think he was in your region too.  definitely your province
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:19:15 < FreezingCold> Casper: email whoever runs it and ask how they're doing it
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:19:16 < Casper> FreezingCold: no, quebec is 2.5 hours away from mtl
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:19:37 < JFK911> Casper: he was listening local cops not rcmp
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:19:52 < JFK911> since there are none of that within range of me i didnt really note the details
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:32:16 < evilbetty> me an iphone ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:32:21 < evilbetty> nah jk
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:33:22 < FreezingCold> This is a dual pole single throw right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:33:24 < FreezingCold> https://alteeve.ca/images/d/dd/HLS-4078-DC5V_02.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:34:09 < kurt> The viewfinder in my camera body is fucked so I have to focus using live view.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:41:29 < GPF_1> well, that's everywhere!
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:41:30 < GPF_1> :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:42:30 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold, looks like DPDT to me?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:42:45 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: yeah you're right
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:42:50 < FreezingCold> I had way too much coffee today
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:43:01 < evilbetty> dx follows:  Qing Ming Festival,
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:43:08 < evilbetty> Dragon Boat Festival
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:43:12 < evilbetty> seems chinese to me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:49:49 < robotustra_> from china it's much chiper
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:49:56 < GPF_1> but I don't thing it's our fault for that.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:50:00 < robotustra_> 2-3 times
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:50:11 < FreezingCold> robotustra_: fun fact, it's cheaper to mail from china to canada than from canada to canada
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:50:20 < GPF_1> ha
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:50:34 < GPF_1> goes to show how your GOV works I guess.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:50:38 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:50:56 < GPF_1> glad to do busness with the neighbores, screw the natives!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:13 < FreezingCold> haha it's more because our postal system is horrible run
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:22 < FreezingCold> it's the best example in the country why unions suck
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:51:24 < Haffa> it's more expensive to ship from USA to Canada than it is PRC to Canada?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:35 < FreezingCold> Haffa: I think so
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:37 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:40 < FreezingCold> most likely :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:51:41 < GPF_1>  The company I work for shunt down a factory up there..
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:45 < FreezingCold> up where?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:51:49 < robotustra_> what is PRC?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:50 < FreezingCold> Canada?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:51:54 < FreezingCold> robotustra_: china
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:51:55 < GPF_1> with no warning of its closing.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:51:57 < GPF_1> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:52:15 < GPF_1> I think it came as a shock to the employees also.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:52:17 < Haffa> well, I know at least in Shanghai, the postal services work 24/7
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:52:23 < FreezingCold> robotustra_: People's Republic of China
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:52:32 < FreezingCold> = PRC
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:52:44 < Haffa> robotustra_: PRC easier to type than China :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:52:55 < GPF_1> I bought 2 current clamps.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:53:12 < GPF_1> if they work out, I am going to have the company buy the boys at work one..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:53:29 < GPF_1>  most of them have scopes and a scope current clamp comes in handy!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:53:30 < FreezingCold> Haffa: but you have to hold shift longer
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:53:33 < robotustra_> China is a bunch of republics de facto
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:11 < Haffa> FreezingCold: still less effort than moving fingers across :P one shift is pressed down, it stays there
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:12 < GPF_1> china is very populated, so I think the population shoudl be dropping soon!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:20 < FreezingCold> Haffa: it makes my pinky tired
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:20 < GPF_1> and then maybe their business model will change.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:28 < Haffa> FreezingCold: LOL
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:29 < FreezingCold> what's wrong with china's business model?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:30 < GPF_1> and we'll be paying be bucks for small things!
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:40 < GPF_1> big..
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:43 < Haffa> I don't get it when people use caps lock for single upper case letters...
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:43 < FreezingCold> China is a pretty awesome country, production wise
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:46 < __rob> perfect toner transfer, last bit of the perfect flyer i found that trasfers nicely, just got the last bit of paper off, ready to etch
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:54:52 < __rob> and I forgot to invert the image
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:54:54 < FreezingCold> Haffa: I haven't used cap locks in a long time
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:55:06 < GPF_1> yes, they are but they are killing their people over it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:55:22 < Haffa> the inequality is definately decreasing though
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:55:39 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: only some locations
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:56:13 < GPF_1> GE have brought back some of it's production to the US because of various reasons.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:56:18 < GPF_1> cost is one of them.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:56:30 < FreezingCold> China's standards of living isn't that bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:56:38 < FreezingCold> It's the American media that's made it seem so bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:56:47 < Haffa> FreezingCold: again, it depends where you're looking
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:56:55 < FreezingCold> I haven't visited China yet (no reason), but I've looked at housing and stuff, it's fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:57:04 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it varies, but the middle class is definitely there
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:57:15 < FreezingCold> Haffa: large cities
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:57:20 < JFK911> FreezingCold: do you live in a flat or a house now?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:57:25 < FreezingCold> House
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:57:43 < JFK911> i think if you have a house in a big chinese city your family is lucky or you're rich
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:57:43 < GPF_1> what about the cities they have built with no one living in them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:57:55 < FreezingCold> I have a small room, probably 4x4 meters
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:58:16 < JFK911> but you are relatively far away from your neighbors and probably don't share walls with them
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:58:23 < JFK911> you need a car
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T03:58:24 < JFK911> etc
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:58:52 < FreezingCold> well, I do share a wall with very noisy family members
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:59:00 < FreezingCold> and I do need a car, which I don't have...
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T03:59:15 < FreezingCold> It's not the greatest situation, at least it's free..
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:00:07 < JFK911> it's probably really boring
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:00:20 < JFK911> thats the trade off i guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:00:23 < ShadowJK> employment costs in russia are pretty low too, comparatively, but it's a nightmare to have factory there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:02:51 < ShadowJK> No I mean the "a new foreigner" approach
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:02:56 < JFK911> oh yes!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:03:12 < FreezingCold> Is there a reason for Western investors to go to Russia?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:03:21 < ShadowJK> You pretty much WILL be fucked if you, corp X, attempt to setup Corp X factory in russia
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:03:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: just dont bring your wife heheheh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:03:29 < FreezingCold> I wasn't aware they had much aside from oil, which I assume is locked up by the native Russians
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:03:39 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I thought you went there to pick up a wife :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:04:08 < JFK911> russian people want telecoms and automobiles and european remodeling
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:04:08 < ShadowJK> The only sensible approach to do it is the one that china officially mandated, partnership with locals
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:04:16 < JFK911> there's lots of people to sell things to
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:04:21 < JFK911> and there's lots of money floating around
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:05:01 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i met a lady at work but she moved to germany instead of coming home with me
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:05:15 < GPF_1> hmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:05:24 < ShadowJK> You know you've got the right partners, when after drinking in Moscow, you stumble out onto the street, they put up their hand with 3 fingers up, and immediately 3 cars stop and give you a lift
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:05:25 < kurt> robotustra_: What do you mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:05:39 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: Hong Kong seems open to foreigners without local support
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:06:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: you did it wrong
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:06:22 < FreezingCold> you're supposed to flash your American passport around at the bar
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:06:28 < FreezingCold> to the females that is
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:06:30 < GPF_1> I thought when you used  CC payment was complete?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:06:35 < FreezingCold> unless you have a thing for getting mugged
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:06:36 < ShadowJK> HK seems like an overcrowded place with sky-high real estate and, although I dont know, I would imagine the living standard in HK, and thus cost of employing people, is pretty high
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:06:40 < GPF_1> it claims it's waiting payment.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:07:03 < GPF_1> the US funds must be low !
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:07:04 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:07:24 < JFK911> FreezingCold: that's a way to get ripped off, man.  Really, walk around the city with a lit cigarette.  Girls will approach you to bum cigs.  This means you've got a date if you want it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:08:52 < JFK911> in russia everybody smokes, its like germany was 20 years ago
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:11:19 < ShadowJK> I recently procured some russian LM cigs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:21:45 < Haffa> hard decision picking between 14" and 15"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:23:37 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: yeah rent there is insane
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:24:03 < FreezingCold> Haffa: what do you mean "purely for electrical stuff"?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:24:16 < Casper> hmmmm    this seems to be a good reason to get the more expensive lens...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:24:35 < toothe> Side-bands are just bands to the side of a signal, correct?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:24:41 < FreezingCold> in general, the easiest method I've found is install your favorite distro, and using virtualbox for Windows only apps
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:24:46 < Casper> bigger filter size, which mean bigger opening, so more light get in, so less exposition time, so less movement blur....
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:24:54 < FreezingCold> you don't even need to buy Windows then
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:24:56 < GPF_1> toothe: yes, hench the SIDE-BANDS!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:24:57 < FreezingCold> (legally too)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:24:57 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:25:01 < FreezingCold> run 90 day trials
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:25:29 < Haffa> FreezingCold: Xilinx ISE, Altium, LTSpice, MATLAB
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:25:36 < GPF_1> toothe: they are the harmomic mix results of two signals put together.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:26:05 < Haffa> FreezingCold: running software on the scale of MATLAB and Altium doesn't play too nice in VM's
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:26:15 < FreezingCold> Haffa: MATLAB /has/ to be on Linux
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:26:18 < GPF_1> altium is expensive.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:26:21 < kurt> Haffa: I have an X201.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:26:27 < kurt> Not bad.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:26:30 < GPF_1> what is the ticket price now $9k?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:26:33  * FreezingCold checks
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:26:34 < FreezingCold> yeah it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:27:10 < GPF_1> I think that is a little high.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:27:59 < FreezingCold> I need a new laptop, but meh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:28:05 < FreezingCold> I haven't found anything I like yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:28:05 < toothe> GPF_1: I didn't get that :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:28:48 < FreezingCold> I want something super thin but also upgradable
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:28:52  * LeelooMinai erases the word "best" from beaky's dictionary and claps hands 
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:29:49 < kurt> I like to use SSH-TCP-IP-802.11 modulation of my digital signal when sending it over wireless.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:29:53 < Haffa> FreezingCold: thing I find annoying with the thin machines is lack of I/O
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:30:00 < toothe> check this out: http://puu.sh/85aSV.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:30:09 < FreezingCold> Haffa: What? They don't lack I/O
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:30:19 < ziikutv> Hello
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:30:32 < FreezingCold> Oh I think I like this
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:30:33 < FreezingCold> http://www.microsoftstore.com/store?Action=pdp&HP-ENVY-TouchSmart-14-k110nr-Sleekbook=&Locale=en_CA&SiteID=msca&productID=291138900&tduid=9c0c952f478c81a07059b0a0eb749774
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:30:45 < ziikutv> Does anyone have good exam taking skills?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:31:17 < ziikutv> I want to know what kind of questions I should be prepared for
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:31:20 < Haffa> FreezingCold: 3 usb's ports, a HDMI port and audio in out?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T04:31:31 < FreezingCold> Haffa: sure
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:31:35 < Haffa> ziikutv: past papersd
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T04:31:37 < Haffa> papers*
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T05:24:39 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, I wonder if I can get the usbip daemon working on Android
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T05:26:12 < FullDive[Seya]> Oh. I got my erm LED fadein/fadeout without using a pwm fairly easily.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:02:00 < username___> there rules of thumb though if you google them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:02:22 < username___> http://circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/01/31/pcb-trace-width-calculator/
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:02:31 < FreezingCold> I have a hls-4078-dc5v relay, think it's safe to just trigger from 5V off my MCU?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:02:38 < JFK911> Armpitfluff: well that tells you how long it takes to fill up
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:02:40 < toothe> man,t his i so reaking cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:02:58 < JFK911> Armpitfluff: some multiplication of amperes and seconds
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:03:35 < Armpitfluff> ok
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:03:40 < username___> FreezingCold, that is a mechanical relay that will have inductive kick, that would potentially be a bad idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:03:54 < FreezingCold> username___: yeah it's a mechanical relay
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:03:59 < FreezingCold> so 3904 for it?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:04:18 < username___> would be better but whatever you use, its ideal to have flyback protection
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:06:05 < FreezingCold> username___: diode directly on the output pin, sound good?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:07:22 < username___> freezingcold: http://hebrossquare.blog.com/files/2012/02/brfrc5.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:07:46 < username___> except don't use a PNP lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:08:03 < username___> put a NPN there... someone didn't know what they were doing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:08:09 < FreezingCold> username___: Why the resistor and why is the diode there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:08:16 < FreezingCold> why not put it where that resistor is?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:08:32 < username___> what is "it"?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:09:09 < username___> the resistor limits the current into the BJT so you don't burn out the transistor or the microcontroller on the other end
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:09:16 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:09:21 < FreezingCold> I would have made that mistake lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:09:35 < username___> study thy BJT transport equations
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:09:38 < FreezingCold> Would a 1k be fine?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:09:44 < username___> yea, probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:10:06 < username___> 100ohm and lower would be pushing it
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:10:09 < JFK911> i need to learn these equations vs. empirical selection
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:10:33 < FreezingCold> username___: thanks!
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:10:55 < username___> money is the best selector when deciding components
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:11:05 < username___> cause there billions that all do the same thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:12:26 < JFK911> FreezingCold: my favorite values are 10k 4k7 1k 470
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:12:34 < FreezingCold> username___: I still don't exactly see how the diode does anything there
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:12:44 < username___> youtube flyback energy
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:13:00 < username___> or youtube inductive kick
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:13:04 < JFK911> short the coil when it has stored junk
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:13:08 < JFK911> yay diode
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:13:12 < FreezingCold> JFK911: thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:13:13 < FreezingCold> that makes sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:13:15 < FreezingCold> +1
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:13:26 < username___> ya might want to know more than that ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:13:35 < JFK911> this is true
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:13:46 < FreezingCold> How does this look so far? http://i.imgur.com/Hfeb73T.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:13:56 < FreezingCold> oops, forgot to connect the diode and +5V
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:14:23 < username___> that looks about right except that relay might not do much as is
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:14:54 < FreezingCold> username___: better? :p http://i.imgur.com/QZqYs2E.png
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:15:15 < JFK911> what are these softwares you are using
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:15:41 < FreezingCold> JFK911: uh gEDA for the schematics
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:15:47 < JFK911> oh ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:15:50 < JFK911> so this is how geda looks
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:16:01 < FreezingCold> yeah, it's nice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:16:10 < username___> yup, that is better
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:16:28 < username___> though i'm not sure you need to use a relay for some so high impedance
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:17:38 < username___> you could do it way cheaper if you just made a high side driver
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:17:53 < FreezingCold> The relay is for disconnecting the battery
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:18:15 < FreezingCold> It's going to be a normally closed contact, more or less. When the power clicks off, the relay will click off too as a "safety" feature
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:18:52 < JFK911> i usually play in cadence eda, i can play with something in pspice then if i want it i can give footprints to all the symbols and do layout
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:03 < FreezingCold> so when I'm doing this IO markers, I should have one input and one output right?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:19 < FreezingCold> like A1 in my picture is going to be an input on my MCU
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:21 < username___> my favorite circuit simulator: http://www.falstad.com/circuit/
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:22 < toothe> back, I apologize
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:22 < FreezingCold> so I made it as an output
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:24 < JFK911> you mean the flags that mean "Net that includes another page?"
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:28 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:31 < toothe> We were talking about side-bands, and I don't understand what theyare
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:38 < toothe> What causes them?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:19:39 < JFK911> they are arbitrary and you choose the ones that look nice for you
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:47 < FreezingCold> JFK911: or should both of them be the same type?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:19:58 < JFK911> FreezingCold: all up to you.. what if you have an odd number? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:20:09 < JFK911> what the flag really means to the eda is, this net is named ____
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:20:24 < FreezingCold> That's true
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:20:31 < FreezingCold> It's just gonna be printed out :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:20:39 < FreezingCold> not actually building a PCB or anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:20:47 < username___> if one was to create a digitally adjustible buck converter, would a digital potentiometer be a good way to change the output voltage? Anyone got a better idea?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:21:12 < JFK911> the digipot is just resistor ladder thing isnt it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:21:16 < Hyratel> username___, PWM in and a couple bytes of flash
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:23:34 < JFK911> to select one-of-four
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:23:45 < JFK911> i didnt realize they were that cheap. ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:23:51 < username___> yup, there pretty cheap
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:23:51 < FreezingCold> god fucking damnit my parents are creepy
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:24:00 < FreezingCold> They sneak up behind me
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:24:02 < ohsix> hakko USA sends a cover letter with their catalog that says 'on behalf of the entire staff, we would like to thank you'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:27:20 < Haikarainen> 230V (220V compatible I think), I'-ve given up hakko, seems hyped anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:27:49 < JFK911> we had an older aoyue at hackerspace and it didn't seem to work very well
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:27:57 < username___> Aoyue , the reason is the tips are fully replacible. They have an integrated heating element / temp sensor
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:28:07 < FreezingCold> username___: hmm, buses are a pain to write in gschem
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:28:18 < JFK911> ive got a basic weller and it's heaps better than that particular unit.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:28:24 < username___> hmmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:28:28 < JFK911> but i dont know what weller sells for europe
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:23 < Casper> fader nd... neutral density... basically it let less light in
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:30 < Casper> and fader as in adjustable
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:33 < JFK911> for instance, 150 MHz
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:50:36 < FreezingCold> Are 1k pullups fine for i2c?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:41 < toothe> oh, this is 170Khz
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:46 < JFK911> wow that's very low
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:47 < toothe> 170.380Khz
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:51 < JFK911> how wide is it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:50:53 < toothe> is it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:02 < toothe> the bandwidth is on AM right now, I set it to 10000
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:51:06 < username___> FreezingCold : probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:09 < toothe> (i'm a newbie)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:10 < JFK911> my sdr stick doesn't even tune so low!
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:12 < toothe> like, total newbie
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:51:15 < FreezingCold> cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:23 < toothe> yeah, I think this tunes to like literally 1Hz
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:51:28 < toothe> I Think....I could test it out.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:52:01 < JFK911> toothe: see if you can pick up a strong am station.  if not, i'd try looking over 50 MHz
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:52:22 < username___> newb question, so are SDRs just wideband antennas with dynamic impedance networks?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:52:24 < toothe> and, I think I said the wrong thing...for example, NPR here is 88.5
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:52:31 < toothe> I was tuned to 170.38
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T06:53:14 < FreezingCold> toothe: what model is that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:53:21 < toothe> the antena?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:53:24 < JFK911> username___: i haven't encountered this idea
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T06:53:31 < toothe> DVB-T+DAB+FM
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:19:44 < JFK911> thats kinda a wide signal
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:20:02 < toothe> I'm jumping around now
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:20:06 < toothe> it doesn't sound like anything under FM
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:20:50 < FreezingCold> yessss, I finally got it to fit on my page http://i.imgur.com/rkyU3Px.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:20:55 < username___> is that DSSS modulation?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:20:55 < JFK911> did you try the wide fm?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:21:01 < toothe> yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:21:51 < JFK911> sometimes modulation is difficult enough that you might consider it cryptography
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:22:08 < username___> normally the depacktizing is so painful that there is little reason to encrypt it =D
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:22:10 < FreezingCold> crap
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:22:14 < FreezingCold> I forgot to add pullup resistors
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:22:36 < jaggz> how many semicolons make up a colon
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:23:00 < JFK911> toothe: theres a sample rate or something isnt there?  how have you got it set?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:23:21 < JFK911> it goes up to 3 or 3.6 mega-units
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:06 < JFK911> the tv dongle
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:08 < username___> maybe thats an FHSS signal?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:12 < JFK911> i forgot exactly how it's called
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:24:31 < FreezingCold> there we go
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:24:32 < FreezingCold> added
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:44 < toothe> JFK911: huh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:44 < jaggz> nylar: sounds attractive
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:24:46 < toothe> Idon't follow.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:33:42 < username___> Does having a bigger antenna lower my recievers noise floor?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:34:00 < FreezingCold> what do you guys think?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:34:01 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/ZWvycTx.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:34:21 < FreezingCold> kinda surprised I'm almost out of IO
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:35:36 < JFK911> here is my crappy noise floor http://i.imgur.com/peFJI0v.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:35:39 < FreezingCold> I've got six analog ports left, both PWM ports and one regular I/O left
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:35:46 < JFK911> this crap around 50mhz and 150mhz is one pc
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:35:53 < toothe> okay okay...befire I sleep
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:40:22 < JFK911> yes you need a better antenna
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:40:28 < JFK911> changing tones
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:40:34 < toothe> nha, a single tone
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:40:41 < nylar> FreezingCold cool, how does the PIC16F887 do with a/d?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:40:42 < toothe> what do you recommend that will connect t my dongle?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:40:45 < toothe> and, why do I need a better antenna?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:41:03 < JFK911> you want something with better coax that you can put by a window
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:41:15 < toothe> oh....im totally a newbie here
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:41:18 < FreezingCold> nylar: it's really easy to be honest. I haven't written any of my code yet, but yeah, not hard
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:41:18 < toothe> i want to start off as such
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:41:18 < JFK911> im not sure what connector your dongle has
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:41:25 < toothe> i can take a picture :-)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:44:13 < Engen> Antarctica crew checking in
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:45:28 < FreezingCold> nylar: meh, PIC is PIC :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T07:45:41 < FreezingCold> nylar: this is hopefully the last time I use it, I really want to switch to ARM already
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:47:38 < toothe> I have what I think is a 5watt antenna
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T07:47:43 < Duzz> damn it :( just killed the regulator on my board
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:03:10 < JFK911> thats a complex problem :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:03:19 < FreezingCold> Does this look decent to you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:03:19 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/Jgng40P.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:03:44 < Vutral> :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:04:04 < toothe> JFK911: generally speaking? :-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:04:23 < Vutral> hm ^^
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:33:57 < sabotender> I am not using the unified whatever it is called. I have both of the little dongles plugged in ;-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:34:13 < username___> I don't like the 800-900mhz range. It means you need a different product per USA/CE =(
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:34:26 < username___> 433mhz is nice except the US nerfs it hardcore
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:35:02 < FreezingCold> sabotender: Want to give me that Apple keyboard
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:35:03 < FreezingCold> ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:35:09 < FreezingCold> I kinda want one for my tablet
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:35:14 < OoTLink> :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:35:28 < OoTLink> I kinda wish I had gone for one of those instead
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:35:35 < sabotender> sure, but whatcha gonna give me in return ;-)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T08:37:00 < FreezingCold> sabotender: besides the usual "favors"?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:37:18 < username___> he will give you a dp
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T08:37:26 < sabotender> hey there's no besides to it ;-)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:01:32 < FreezingCold> How much power do you think I need to quickly save a current state to an internal ROM?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:02:16 < LeelooMinai> You will need magicasl power if it is a ROM:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:04:30 < intranick> ill show you magical power!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:05:22 < FreezingCold> Where does Y1-3 go in this diagram...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:05:22 < FreezingCold> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/3-pin_Charlieplexing_matrix_with_common_resistors.svg
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:05:42  * madist points LeelooMinai in the general direction of EEPROMs 
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:06:09  * intranick throws a charged capacitor at LeelooMinai 
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:06:19 < FreezingCold> wait, there's zero resistors in this picture
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:06:19 < FreezingCold> http://cdn.instructables.com/FNX/H9C8/G1BBHJJV/FNXH9C8G1BBHJJV.LARGE.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:07:31 < sabotender> what? usually the memory specs will tell you what the minimums are to retain data. But if it is truly ROM, the data is there forever
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:08:09 < FreezingCold> er
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:08:15 < FreezingCold> I meant the time it takes to write
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:08:35 < FreezingCold> basically if I could save the date as soon as power is lost
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:09:28 < sabotender> you would have to have super snappy memory to be able to do that, but I don't think it is...what is the word? impractical?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:09:59 < sabotender> best thing to do would be to take snapshots of data at intervals
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:14:04 < sabotender> moo
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:14:52 < FreezingCold> yeahhh I guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:14:59 < FreezingCold> just wears out the ROM faster =/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:15:53 < Hyratel> battery backed RAM -> NVRAM -> flash
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:16:01 < MasterAccurate> good morning electronics! :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:16:29 < xDR1TeK> hi folks
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:16:33 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I think ROM all by itself is the wrong term to use
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:17:07 < FreezingCold> EEPROM?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:17:11 < sabotender> because when I think of ROM in its strictest sense, it is non-volatile data that is permanently burned
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:17:25 < sabotender> EEPROM is much better
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:17:33 < Hyratel> sabotender, such as Mask ROM
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:17:51 < FreezingCold> fucking netbeans
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:17:51 < MjrTom> can't you process the state in flash?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:17:53 < FreezingCold> why you freezing?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:20:06 < MjrTom> if you dont like netbeans, you might consider eclipse instead
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:20:13 < FreezingCold> It's not by choice lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:20:28 < FreezingCold> Microchip only provides debugging tools for "MPLAB X", which is a hacked up Netbeans
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:20:57 < xDR1TeK> Qt and eclipse suck balls major dukee
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:21:57 < MjrTom> hjf apparently uses eclipse to develop for pics...
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:22:25 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:22:29 < FreezingCold> with what...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:22:41 < FreezingCold> Microchip doesn't have gdb
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:23:00 < xDR1TeK> mplab 7 was a great package, don't know why the trend went south following windows and office 2007 with this gay menu styles
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:24:17 < xDR1TeK> bull crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:24:55 < xDR1TeK> i'm sticking to old shit till they skip few generations of experimenting on our behalf
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:25:05 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: hmm, I think gdb might only be for newer chips
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:25:15 < MjrTom> just sayin'
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:33:37 < MjrTom> FreezingCold so anyway, exactly what are you looking to do, with saving the state to NV storage in case of power outage, and how important is it to you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:34:15 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: not very important
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:34:32 < MjrTom> ok
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:40:48 < FreezingCold> wtf, how did I end up with 9 data pins here...
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:40:52 < FreezingCold> should be 8 >_<
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:42:02 < madist> one is a hot standby, in case one of the 8 primary data pins fails
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:42:12 < MasterAccurate> OMFG
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:42:19 < MasterAccurate> I hate nitro thinner now
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:42:27 < MasterAccurate> it smells very sardistic
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T09:42:29 < FreezingCold> ah found it
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:42:31 < MjrTom> thats pretty funny madist
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:43:15 < MasterAccurate> I feel now like I have smelled gasoline in a plastic bag
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T09:43:24 < Engen> What theory/fact is being used to create the last equation here? http://i.imgur.com/HwiyPTY.png
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:26:52 < Polesch> What amazes me is that we still can't agree on conventions in schematics
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:28:16 < FreezingCold> WHY THE FUCK WON'T THIS FUCKING COMPILER FUCKING SHIT
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:28:32 < FreezingCold> "A numeric expression must appear here"
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:28:51 < FreezingCold> http://paste.debian.net/93311/
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:29:07 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:29:10 < FreezingCold> awkward
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:29:51 < corecode_> yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:29:52 < MasterAccurate> lol FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:29:52 < corecode_> what language?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:30:04 < mozzarella> guys
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:10 < FreezingCold> yeahhhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:15 < FreezingCold> I did #define name = pin
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:19 < FreezingCold> instead of
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:21 < FreezingCold> #define name pin
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:23 < FreezingCold> >_<
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:30:27 < FreezingCold> worst compiler message ever though
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:31:38 < mozzarella> I bought some DIP switches and I can't put them on my breadboards, because the pins aren't long enough (although they are about 3 or 4 mm long), is that expected, or did I buy crappy, cheap breadboards?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:32:21 < Engen> mozzarella: typically DIP switches have shorter legs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:56:30 < Engen> I type in chatbox on page
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T10:57:02 < xDR1TeK> kk
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:57:05 < FreezingCold> What's the lowest voltage a HD44780 will accept?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T10:57:12 < FreezingCold> I'm giving it 4.6V and it won't turn on
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:01:59 < FreezingCold> again what's my Vee?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:02:35 < FreezingCold> I'm using GND
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:02:39 < FreezingCold> Vss
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:02:44 < FreezingCold> It's supposed to be ground
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:03:25 < FreezingCold> If I turn it to a full 5V, it clicks off my circuit lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:04:01 < sabotender> just popped in. iy clicks off your circuit? sounds like a wiring problem
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:04:14 < sabotender> without more information
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:04:21 < FreezingCold> I have a HD44780 that won't turn on
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:04:27 < FreezingCold> I'm giving it 4.6V
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:04:51 < FreezingCold> and on the contrast pin, it does nothing until I hit 5V, and then it shorts out my circuit or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:05:12 < sabotender> ah lcd controller
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:05:16 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:06:54 < sabotender> do you have anything else in that circuit besides the mcu and controller?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:07:32 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:07:41 < FreezingCold> just a blinking led
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:08:49 < sabotender> what voltage do you have on pin 3?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:09:09 < FreezingCold> it's weird, it's like floating at 1.1V
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:09:11 < FreezingCold> I can't move it
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:09:18 < sabotender> what voltage do you have on pin 2?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:10:03 < FreezingCold> sorry I gave bad information there
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:10:06 < FreezingCold> wait no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:10:15 < FreezingCold> yeah pin 3 can go from 0V to 5V
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:10:46 < FreezingCold> it jumps from 1.8V to 4.4V though
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:10:58 < FreezingCold> pin 2 is 4.6V
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:10:59 < sabotender> pin 2 is vcc, pin 3 controls contrast...cannot be higher than the voltage on pin 2
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:11:44 < Vutral> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:11:53 < sabotender> I dont think pin 3 should be having such a wonky voltage reading
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:12:06 < FreezingCold> yeah there's no between voltage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:13:12 < sabotender> thats an analogue signal...needs something like a rheostat
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:13:51 < FreezingCold> I have a pot that connects 5V and GND, and it goes to pin 3 from the middle of the pot
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:13:55 < FreezingCold> so it should be analog
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:14:00 < sabotender> excuse me, variable resistor
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:14:02 < FreezingCold> I tried with pwm too
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:14:03 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:14:07 < FreezingCold> I have a variable resistor on it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:15:16 < intranick> i'm in love with my lust burning angel wings to dust~~~ *sings*
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:15:23 < sabotender> that is really odd. It should not be switching off like that. Can you temporarily remove the LED?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:17:33 < sabotender> I'm just saying that with those pins...its kinda difficult to make a mistake
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:17:59 < TXRoadkill> fascinating
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:18:14 < sabotender> I would like to help, but I need more information!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:18:49 < FreezingCold> sabotender: pic16f887
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:19:01  * sabotender passes out
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:19:07 < TXRoadkill> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:19:15 < FreezingCold> okay so I added a second power supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:19:19 < FreezingCold> it doesn't flick off anymore
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:19:35 < sabotender> I was just going to suggest that
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:19:41 < TXRoadkill> hehe
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:19:47 < FreezingCold> but it still doesn't work
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:19:51 < FreezingCold> the LCD is blank
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:20:00 < sabotender> well is the PIC programmed to talk to it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:20:09 < TXRoadkill> You obviously need a 3rd power supply
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:20:17  * sabotender smacks TXRoadkill 
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:20:43 < TXRoadkill> sorry
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:20:48 < TXRoadkill> please continue
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:20:48 < FreezingCold> sabotender: yeah, I tried an older program and it didn't seem to work anymore either
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:20:51 < FreezingCold> which is a bit confusing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:20:58 < FreezingCold> but I may have wired it wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:21:12 < sabotender> but really, you shouldn't need a second power supply unless the MCU or display controller cannot both operate at 5V
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:21:55 < FreezingCold> shouldn't I be able to adjust the contrast even without a MCU...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:21:58 < MasterAccurate> Polesch here?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:22:06 < sabotender> yeah you should
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:22:11 < FreezingCold> sabotender: hold on
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:22:26 < FreezingCold> so the bare min would be pin 1-3 right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:22:35 < sabotender> well and the backlight
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:22:49 < FreezingCold> this version is backlightless
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:22:51 < TXRoadkill> Japanese or American electricity?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:22:57 < sabotender> ah, then yes you are correct
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:23:23 < intranick> sabotender: do you like the beer?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:23:24 < FreezingCold> can pin 3 be the *same* voltage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:23:27 < sabotender> everything else is data pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:23:37 < Vutral> hm ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:23:38 < sabotender> yes it can, it just cannot be higher
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:23:49 < FreezingCold> what if I leave it floating?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:23:51 < sabotender> but I think you would either get a very dark or very light contrast.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:24:00 < sabotender> if it has nothing then you would see nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:24:08 < FreezingCold> I see nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:24:10 < sabotender> or you would have a black screen
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:24:19 < sabotender> you have it floating and it has nothing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:24:25 < sabotender> then don't float it. put something there
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:24:28 < FreezingCold> touching Vcc does nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:24:33 < FreezingCold> touching Gnd does nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:24:36 < FreezingCold> floating does nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:24:42 < FreezingCold> da hell
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:25:02 < sabotender> that is odd. It might be broken. that is definitely a contrast pin. try slipping a resistor there
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:25:25 < TXRoadkill> that's what I'd do
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:25:33 < FreezingCold> I tried two different displays
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:26:14 < TXRoadkill> can you describe the connector?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:26:39 < FreezingCold> HD44780
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:27:11 < sabotender> looks like that with greater contrast comes with lower voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:27:20 < TXRoadkill> Hitachi HD44780 LCD controller - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi_HD44780_LCD_controller
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:27:46 < FreezingCold> yeah I tried connecting straight to a power supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:27:49 < FreezingCold> nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:27:50 < FreezingCold> blank
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:28:00 < FreezingCold> does it need a program to even see the constrast?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:28:27 < sabotender> I do not believe so. Contrast is supposed to be separate from programming. Unless this baby is different
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:28:31 < xDR1TeK> so we're back
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:28:34 < sabotender> all it needs is a source
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:28:38 < TXRoadkill> That's 16 pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:28:44 < xDR1TeK> Engen is a reborn engineer
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:28:53 < FreezingCold> sabotender: huh weird
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:16 < FreezingCold> I had it working before
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:18 < FreezingCold> I wonder what went wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:29:19 < TXRoadkill> 1 is ground
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:28 < FreezingCold> yea, that's long figured out lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:40 < FreezingCold> well it's 4:30am and I'm getting a headache
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:42 < FreezingCold> gah
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:29:45 < sabotender> can you try to apply a negative voltage to see if you can get any readable contrast?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:29:55 < xDR1TeK> i got microprocessor test on tuesday
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:29:58 < FreezingCold> uh, I don't have a negative source
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:30:02 < xDR1TeK> i got to do 6 chapters
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:30:05 < TXRoadkill> wow
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:30:59 < TXRoadkill> don't mind me...
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:31:20 < TXRoadkill> electrons flow from positive to negative
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:31:38 < FreezingCold> sabotender: so I've tested two of these and neither turns on...
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:31:40 < sabotender> hey I am just trying to think outside the box here, some contrast settings will take +5 to -5 V
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:31:42 < FreezingCold> huh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:31:51 < FreezingCold> wtf happened
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:32:33 < TXRoadkill> you lost me at 'negative source'
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:33:51 < TXRoadkill> later...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:34:43 < xDR1TeK> brb, managers from all over the globe are in theoffice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:34:57 < xDR1TeK> afking for a while
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:37:12  * FreezingCold goes to bed
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T11:37:27  * intranick throws FreezingCold in a fire and see what comes of it
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:37:30 < sabotender> yeah sorry im falling asleep on my keyboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:37:51 < sabotender> someone please explain negative voltages to him
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:37:55 < xDR1TeK> I love irc, i bought a license for mirc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:40:51 < sabotender> but I am too tired to think.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:41:05 < xDR1TeK> well it might smell of fish
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T11:41:10 < xDR1TeK> but this pond is dried out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:18:07 < password2> hi
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:20:51 < FreezingCold> sabotender: I fucking had the pins reversed
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:20:57  * FreezingCold rages
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:21:01 < FreezingCold> that was it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:23:06 < Polesch> When on pause/stopped: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15526481/Tektronix1751a/WP_20140412_006.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:23:18 < Polesch> Makes no sense to me though
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:24:45 < FreezingCold> is that a radar....?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:24:58 < Polesch> Yeah, looking for that Malaysian plane
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:10 < madist> FreezingCold: would you like to buy it ? Its a deal at only $150
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:25:20 < madist> this thing usually sells for $1500
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:27 < FreezingCold> I can only do $149
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:29 < FreezingCold> sorry
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:31 < FreezingCold> best offer
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:25:47 < madist> $149.50 ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:57 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:25:58 < FreezingCold> too much
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:26:01 < FreezingCold> much money
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:26:04 < FreezingCold> we can't do
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:26:13 < Anaphaxeton> hi
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:26:17 < FreezingCold> herro
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:26:18 < gmzamz> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:27:13 < Anaphaxeton> i am reading about DC-DC conversion and especial linear regulators and i have a question
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:27:21 < Anaphaxeton> how good quality DC do they output?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:30:37 < corecode_> it depends on your design
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:30:41 < corecode_> operating frequency
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:30:49 < FreezingCold> Is it safe to plug +5V straight into my MCU?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:30:53 < Anaphaxeton> 0?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:30:59 < FreezingCold> for an active high pushbutton
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:31:00 < JFK911> Polesch: field buttons push one or both of those in too.
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:31:06 < FreezingCold> or will it get damaged from the current?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:31:10 < JFK911> Polesch: they are even, odd, all.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:32:36 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold; inputs typically have very high impedance, so hardly any current will flow
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:32:53 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: so is doing it active high with no resistors safe?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:33:01 < JFK911> FreezingCold: since there is the high impedance there is nothing wrong with a current limiting r
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:33:12 < FreezingCold> and just floating it "low" is okay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:33:20 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold; there's probably people that cringe at it just because
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:33:21 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'd like to save on wiring if possible
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:33:37 < ShadowJK> floating and low can't both be true :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:33:44 < ShadowJK> you'd want a pulldown resistor
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:33:54 < FreezingCold> damn it, so you guys want a resistor no matter what lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:05 < JFK911> resistors are almost free, why not
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:09 < JFK911> $5 for a reel of 5000
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:34:17 < FreezingCold> but my lazy hands have to pick one up
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:34:18 < FreezingCold> and read
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:21 < JFK911> but you know what when i drop one on the carpet i still hunt for it
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:34:21 < FreezingCold> yucky
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:29 < ShadowJK> Some mcus have built-in pull-up or pull-down :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:34:37 < FreezingCold> oh right
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:51 < haryv> how do all of you charge electrical diagrams ? I was thinking if one person had a concept, a IRC client with web cam video can point down on a piece of paper showing other irc users the drawing as it is written.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:34:52 < haryv> ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:35:20 < ShadowJK> ... what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:35:27 < FreezingCold> what
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:35:32 < JFK911> i usually charge $200 an hour
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:35:32 < FreezingCold> I didn't drink last night
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:35:34 < gmzamz> just curious, but for unused input pins is it better to pull them up or down?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:35:39 < FreezingCold> I usually charge $199 an hour
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:35:46 < FreezingCold> go with me, I'm better than JFK911
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:35:54 < FreezingCold> gmzamz: pull down IIRC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:36:01 < hoverboard> I charge 190/hr. and I'm a skilled master
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:36:05 < FreezingCold> you usually have a large ground plane
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:36:12 < FreezingCold> so it's easier to attach stuff to gnd
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:36:26 < hoverboard> I mean the name says it all
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:36:30 < hoverboard> I hover.
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:36:35 < JFK911> gmzamz: the datasheet should help you decide
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:36:47 < gmzamz> cool
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:37:11 < FreezingCold> JFK911: silly question, shouldn't a pull down use little to no current?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:37:16 < FreezingCold> while a pull up will use a bit of current?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:37:26 < corecode_> depends on the idle state
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:37:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it depends
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:37:37 < FreezingCold> corecode_: idle would be "off"?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:37:39 < corecode_> and the active state
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:37:45 < JFK911> if you have a pull up and a pull down working against each other, you have a good resistor divider to waste current
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:37:59 < corecode_> if you drive the signal to gnd, then a pullup will use power
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:38:11 < corecode_> if you drive the signal to vdd, then a pulldown will use power
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:38:30 < corecode_> if you 3state the signal, then the pullup/down will not use power
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:38:35 < FreezingCold> so is a pullup using no current when it's just sitting there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:38:38 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i think the avr's pullups are 10k ohms.  thats not a lot of current
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:38:53 < corecode_> it is a lot of current
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:38:59 < corecode_> that's 500uA right there
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:39:01 < corecode_> per pin
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:44:28 < JFK911> run a process that i've already developed
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:44:50 < FreezingCold> ace4016: already, pullup it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:44:52 < JFK911> think about it to make sure it's being done properly and verify the deliverable
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:44:53 < FreezingCold> *alright
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:45:14 < FreezingCold> haryv: right, but at $350 they're actually working the whole time
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T20:45:17 < corecode_> hehe
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:45:28 < FreezingCold> Being a lawyer isn't easy..
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:48:37 < FreezingCold> why the hell are programs freezing...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T20:48:51 < FreezingCold> nothing in dmesg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:02:58 < cheater> sup freaks
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:03:13 < cheater> FreezingCold: maybe because it's FreezingCold?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:03:18 < cheater> badoom-tshhhhh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:04:56 < murosai> touche
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2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:08:33 < FreezingCold> oh wow, you're totally the first person to ever make that joke!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:08:36 < FreezingCold> never heard that one before!
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:08:38 < FreezingCold> so smart
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:08:39 < FreezingCold> so fly
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:10:28 < cheater> FreezingCold: i know how that feels :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:10:50 < cheater> FreezingCold: what programs are freezing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:10:57 < cheater> and is it just a temporary freeze or a permanent lock-up?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:24:45 < MasterAccurate> °_o
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:56:54 < Hyratel> usb is 5v
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:57:17 < MasterAccurate> WOW! Thermoelectric tubes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNZh1VgxZk
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:58:04 < davor> can anyone help me identify this thing? https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cymjfywee81zoz7/kyXLQeYwga
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T21:58:18 < sabotender> FreezingCold: WHAT?! you foolish foolish man, you!
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:58:19 < sabotender> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T21:58:48 < sabotender> I told you to check the pins, you know. But I am happy you got it to work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T22:12:36 < SpeedEvil> Not water based.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T22:12:51 < JFK911> it sort of worked but i still had to silver it
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T22:13:49 < FreezingCold> sabotender: haha yeahhhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T22:13:51 < FreezingCold> I dunno how I messed up
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T22:13:55 < davor> JFK911, that's what my grandpa originally used it for in an electric car. can you perhaps tell what the make could be?
2014-04.log:2014-04-12T22:13:58 < FreezingCold> probably the hours of planning, got tired
2014-04.log-2014-04-12T22:14:04 < __rob> http://oi58.tinypic.com/suzybc.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-12T22:14:06 < __rob> thats the transfer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T03:29:59 < hylian|surface> probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T03:30:00 < cheater> but that's all really
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T03:30:13 < hylian|surface> more importantly i also forgot to add a ground plane :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T03:47:15 < FuuuqUmiist> does anyone know if Roku can stream HBO PPV events?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T03:48:37 < hoverboard> you're all a buncha (::
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:09:37 < Username__> anyone know of a good rechargable battery with ~500mAH+ that is easy to source and easy to mount to a PCB?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:09:57 < Engen> in the denominator, they're adding Z_th and R_L for some reason
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:12:18 < FreezingCold> hmmm, my HD44780 is just blank right now
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:12:27 < FreezingCold> first row is clear and second row is black
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:15:31 < FreezingCold> probably a wiring issue as usual
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:16:01 < cluelessperson> I want to make a necklace that detects heart beat, any suggestions?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:18:33 < Engen> scaregoat: sounds like you're shorting something
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:20:18 < scaregoat> i do have a .1mF cap bridging gnd and vdd but datasheet says to
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:21:32 < FreezingCold> FUCK YEAH
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:21:35 < FreezingCold> WHO'S THE MAN
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:21:36 < scaregoat> sorry .1uF cap
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:21:39 < FreezingCold> I'M THE MAN
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:21:42 < pizzadad> you are
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:21:44 < pizzadad> yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:21:53 < FreezingCold> I finally got this retarded LCD screen to work
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:21:55  * zigggggy tries not to frighten scaregoat
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:21:57 < FreezingCold> now, time to add a SECOND ONE
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:22:02  * zigggggy looks in pizzadad's fridge for leftover pizza
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:22:30 < pizzadad> I feel violated in a way
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:23:18  * Viper168_ molests pizzadad 
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:07 < danielboston26> im a beginner
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:17 < pizzadad> what solder are you using?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:18 < danielboston26> who ever made their first kit and had it work?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:29:34 < FreezingCold> OMG OMG OMGO MG IT WORKSSS
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:29:35 < FreezingCold> first try
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:42 < pizzadad> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:48 < danielboston26> i was using cheapo lead free solder at first
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:29:48 < FreezingCold> bitch yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:29:51 < FreezingCold> who's got style?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:29:53 < FreezingCold> I've got style
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:55 < pizzadad> you do
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:29:57 < pizzadad> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:30:08 < danielboston26> because i couldn’t find my solder
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:34:12 < pizzadad> well thats a bit of a letdown
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:34:16 < Username__> anyone know of a battery charging IC that allows an adjustable charge voltage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:35:52 < Username__> all the ICs I find for 4.2V and all the batteries I want to use are 3.6V or lower
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:35:58 < FreezingCold> MOAR LCD
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:35:59 < danielboston26> sabo is the french word for shoe
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:35:59 < FreezingCold> i.imgur.com/iIcmhfi.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:36:01 < FreezingCold> MOARRRRR
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:36:01 < Username__> I could build my own charging circuit but i'd think that would be a waste
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:36:09 < danielboston26> sabotender shoe tender shoe salesmen?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:36:17 < FreezingCold> SO MUCH MOAR
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T04:36:20 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:37:08 < sabotender> nofxx:
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T04:37:16 < sabotender> danielboston26: i am a cactus
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:16:41 < ohsix> famine: i know, the context was quadrotors and people trashing batteries ('better than falling out of the sky')
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:16:46 < rrn> ohsix: But then one would have to resort to rote memorization and become retrained as technology changes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:16:58 < ohsix> rrn: yep
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:32:11 < ohsix> we're stupid AND old
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:32:21 < jaggz-a> if I set it to 20m, it didn't read anything.. and now it reads nothing at 200m .. did I just burn its fuse!?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:32:24 < HTT-Bird> rrn: good companies implement an actual management of change process that isn't just 'this is how things are done, deal'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:33:10 < ketas> jaggz-a: why did you break your meter!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:33:20 < rrn> Username__: Virtually all coursework, at least at the introductory level, has direct and obvious applications, which are typically taught as well.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T05:33:22 < jaggz-a> sigh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:53:25 < corecode_> if you have a good model, it will show you
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:53:25 < cheater> with boom?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:53:29 < corecode_> cheater: headset
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:53:36 < cheater> yea
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:53:36 < corecode_> with gooseneck mic
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:54:05 < cheater> corecode_: the guts aren't too interesting really, it's just a simple function, which is written exactly the way anyone would write it..
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:54:17 < cheater> take neighbours, take current sample, apply function
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:54:18 < cheater> that's all
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T18:54:19  * FreezingCold yawns
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:54:37 < corecode_> cheater: just that you decided to call it convolution :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:54:47 < cheater> no, it's a generalized convolution
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T18:55:00 < cheater> you can special-case it to a normal convolution.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T18:55:10  * bertrik stuffs FreezingCold's mouth with a plush toy
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T18:55:25 < FreezingCold> could be a lot worse
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:07 < cheater> the cable breaks off on akg all the time
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:14 < cheater> it's the #1 consumable
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:15 < corecode_> not on mine
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:13:17 < FreezingCold> So I have a NJU6355 that expects a 32 kHz crystal...
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:22 < JyZyXEL> corecode_: so how much mA do i need for 18mW?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:13:24 < FreezingCold> What happens if I put a 1000 kHz crystal?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:13:27 < FreezingCold> Will it get fucked up?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:31 < corecode_> JyZyXEL: why do you need 18mW?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:13:34 < FreezingCold> or will my time just go really fast?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:13:46 < JFK911> can you buy a 1000 kHz xtal?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:14:29 < JFK911> disrupt0r: thats going to be inefficient.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:14:43 < FreezingCold> JFK911: uh I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:14:48 < JyZyXEL> bertrik: 18 ohms for 500Hz sine wave
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:14:56 < FreezingCold> JA5 1000 kHz
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:15:15 < disrupt0r> JFK911: I know. I just want to understand how it would work
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:15:30 < JyZyXEL> i bet if you change the frequency its gonna go all over the place
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:16:04 < corecode_> JyZyXEL: ideally not
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:16:12 < corecode_> transfer function needs to be flat
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:16:13 < FreezingCold> JyZyXEL: but will it still turn on?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:16:35 < disrupt0r> surely the current generated by one motor will just be sent to the second..if you lower the current, sure you can vary the torque, but what happens to the surplus current? how is it used?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:16:36 < bertrik> so I = sqrt(P / R) = sqrt(0.018 W / 18 ohm) = about 32 mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:16:47 < corecode_> !math (0.018*18)**0.5
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:25:31 < Catalinc> don't i?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:25:32 < GPF_1> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:25:44 < GPF_1> then juse use AND..
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:26:34 < FreezingCold> god, ankle cuts take so frigging long to heal
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:26:39 < martin-_-> I create my encoder with http://logic.ly/demo/ that way http://i.imgur.com/9Ug0QQd.png but the valid output is missing
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:27:10 < martin-_-> only one input is allowed to be active
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:27:25 < JyZyXEL> corecode_: so there might be signals that require 10 times as much current, so i should just have a supply that can match the maximum output current of the opamp
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:29:36 < hobo> what does adding a capacitor in parallel to an LED do to the brightness?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:29:55 < martin-_-> JFK911, I would like to create a kv-diagram and create the function
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:30:09 < martin-_-> but I can handle kv-diagrams only with 4 variables
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:30:14 < FreezingCold> Hey, is there any cheap rotary encoders out there with motor feedback?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:30:32 < corecode_> hobo: nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:30:46 < corecode_> martin-_-: why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:30:48 < hobo> corecode_: thanks, it just helps with clipping right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:30:58 < corecode_> hobo: clipping?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:03 < martin-_-> I need only the function for the output Valid
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:31:05 < _abc_> FreezingCold: huh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:12 < hobo> if i were to add the capacitor in parallel to the resistors and the LED, then the LED would light up slower?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:14 < _abc_> 'cheap' too?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:16 < GPF_1> freezingCold, reword that please.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:20 < _abc_> that^
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:31:24 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: rotary encoder
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:31:28 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: takes input
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:29 < corecode_> hobo: depends how you power it
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:44 < hobo> corecode_: oh okay, could you explain further?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:45 < GPF_1>  you mean you need an encoder to mount on a motor?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:31:48 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:51 < _abc_> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:53 < _abc_> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:31:53 < corecode_> hobo: parallel to the led also means that it lights up later, but is also on a bit longer
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:32:00  * _abc_ hi5s GPF_1 
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:32:06 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:32:07 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: I mean like to give the user feedback to know when he's hit the end of a menu or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:32:10 < hobo> what would be the difference between powering with a PWM signal with 20% duty cycle, vs direct power
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:32:23 < FreezingCold> hobo: efficiency
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:32:23 < hobo> i understand the duty cycle will change the brightness
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:32:39 < hobo> but when you add a capacitor in parallel to the LED, i'm not sure what happens
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:32:42 < FreezingCold> most MCUs only have PWM out, not analog out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:33:16 < GPF_1>  so you want the encode to report a mechanical position?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:33:17 < _abc_> Some leds cannot take the 3x or more normal current pulse current
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:33:21 < _abc_> You need to read data sheets
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:33:32 < _abc_> In those cases a RC or LC filter on the PWM will improve things
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:33:49 < FreezingCold> sometimes a RC isn't needed
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:33:53 < FreezingCold> for example, the project right in front of me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:33:56 < _abc_> GPF_1: He wants tactile feedback from the encoder as far as I understand
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:34:00 < corecode_> hobo: it's sort of counter to the pwm idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:03 < FreezingCold> _abc_: WE HAVE A WINNER! :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:34:05 < corecode_> hobo: i wouldn't suggest it
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:06 < _abc_> FreezingCold: You can try to use a stepper motor as both input and output
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:15 < FreezingCold> _abc_: oh boy
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:18 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Thanks for letting me translate into English
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:29 < FreezingCold> _abc_: hey I said every word except tactile :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:34:29 < _abc_> FreezingCold: What's the problem?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:35:05 < FreezingCold> _abc_: just seems like a PITA to use a stepper
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:35:06 < _abc_> Strictly speaking it is haptic feedback but tactile is good enough.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:35:13 < hobo> thanks corecode_
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:35:24 < _abc_> FreezingCold: If you look a little you will find a nice project using a stepper as both input and output, for volume control
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:35:53 < _abc_> Move knob to set volume, knob moves under own power when remote control is used
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:36:05 < _abc_> It is trivial to alter this for what you ned
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:36:07 < _abc_> +e
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:36:51 < FreezingCold> that's exactly what I want :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:37:00 < FreezingCold> This isn't for a project or anything, it's just me thinking
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:37:51 < GPF_1> that's called a MOP.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:39:06 < _abc_> Sometimes yes, but the input and output feature combo is quite unique
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:39:17 < _abc_> Although it was much used in mixing tables and the like
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:39:36 < FreezingCold> yeah, would be nice for those types of projects
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:40:47 < GPF_1> glass slides encoder with steppers.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:42:29 < _abc_> Yeah right. "cheap".
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:43:08 < _abc_> Personally I am quite shocked by the discrepancy in encoder prices I can see. I can buy a nice Alps encoder for $0.8 and also a professional glass slide one for at least $150
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:43:20 < _abc_> It is getting hard to find the 'right' ones
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:43:33 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: what do half of those words mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:43:38 < FreezingCold> I've never heard of glass slides
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:44:08 < GPF_1> they are linear encoders.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:44:14 < GPF_1>  A B outputs.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:44:16 < _abc_> Also you can easily spend $1000 on a decent encoder. No upper end on them.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:44:17 < GPF_1> gives you pos.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:44:55 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Are you not an engineering student?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:45:19 < FreezingCold> _abc_: well yes, still never heard the word "glass" being used for sliders :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:45:55 < GPF_1> it's a linear optical encoder.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:45:59 < GPF_1> they use glass slides.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:46:28 < FreezingCold> ahhh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:46:41 < GPF_1> the reported POS is near perfect.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:46:44 < FreezingCold> right, I've used optical encoders before
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:46:59 < GPF_1> minus defects and temp variations.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:47:09 < _abc_> http://www.fagorautomation.com/downloads/catalogos/en/cat_encoders_stnd.pdf see here some descriptions from a maker FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:47:30 < FreezingCold> I was just looking at fag's site
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:47:48 < GPF_1> sounds about right!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:47:59 < _abc_> http://www.renishaw.com/en/rg2-and-rg4-optical-incremental-linear-encoders--11043 now, here, *I* don't know what about 30% of the words mean...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:48:11 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: :>
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:48:37 < FreezingCold> _abc_: lol they don't even list the price
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:48:51 < _abc_> FreezingCold: There's a plane on the page. If you are asking, you can't afford it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:49:13 < FreezingCold> hahaha the plane made me think I couldn't afford it either :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:49:24 < _abc_> (also, 20um pitch range is 'coarse' now, they are selling laser interferometer ones which are rated 150nm resolution)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:49:54 < FreezingCold> aww, 150nm isn't good enough
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:50:02 < FreezingCold> guess I'll have to look elsewhere
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:50:03 < GPF_1> LOL!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:50:06 < _abc_> Hey my cheap Chinese digital caliper resolves 10um.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:50:22 < Anaphaxeton> ##electronics , save me!
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:50:28 < FreezingCold> _abc_: my caliper is retarded
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:50:38 < _abc_> FreezingCold: change battery?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:50:42 < FreezingCold> _abc_: it goes down to 0.01", but only to 0.1mm
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:50:49 < madist> When did Motorola stop making semiconductors in Mexico ? I just found a made in mexico Motorola branded diode.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:50:53 < Anaphaxeton> i have 4 usb ports with opposite voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:51:05 < _abc_> madist: They still make them but the brand says 'ON'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:51:33 < _abc_> madist: Everywhere. They sold/split the semiconductor division.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:51:42 < Anaphaxeton> and i wonder how the system works sice ground gives 5Vcc
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:51:48 < GPF_1> FreezingCold: are you sure? my cheap calipers down down to .0005
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:51:56 < _abc_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ON_Semiconductor madist likely 1999
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:52:04 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: it's from ebay. like $3 or $4
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:52:13 < FreezingCold> madist: mexico is pretty expensive now
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T19:52:25 < FreezingCold> damn them and their human rights
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:52:35 < GPF_1> I have two, one from HF and the other from Aldies!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:53:01 < Anaphaxeton> i have to find my earth cable and see is  there is voltage between the box and earth :-/
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T19:53:30 < Anaphaxeton> it has already burnt 2 usb devices
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:01:23 < disrupt0r> I'll take a look at their website, thanks :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:04:10 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:04:17 < FreezingCold> my ADC is *always* reading 133
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:04:22 < FreezingCold> odd...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:04:28 < FreezingCold> It's 10-bits
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:06:21 < FreezingCold> where could that number be coming from?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:08:51 < FreezingCold> okay so my voltage in seems fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:08:54 < FreezingCold> 0.7631 CV
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:08:55 < FreezingCold> *V
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:09:21 < FreezingCold> 0.00433 for the other pin
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:09:24 < FreezingCold> er
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:09:31 < FreezingCold> 0.0433 V
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:12:33 < disrupt0r> _abc_: All the small DC motors I see on johnsonmotors website seem to be between 50 and 80% peak efficiency
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:12:34 < FreezingCold> okay now I'm stuck with -3140
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:12:42 < FreezingCold> where the hell is this number coming from?!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:12:48 < disrupt0r> would you say then that this claimed 92% is probably bullshit? http://www.modelsport.co.uk/hpi-flux-pro-10.5t-competition-brushless-motor/rc-car-products/39602
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:12:57 < _abc_> FreezingCold: -3140 is 32767+3140...
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:13:12 < _abc_> disrupt0r: Sounds about right
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:13:16 < FreezingCold> _abc_: Right right
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:13:27 < _abc_> *32768
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:13:28 < FreezingCold> but the number doesn't change
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:13:39 < _abc_> You made some mistake and are reading something else
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:13:39 < FreezingCold> I have two pins with two different voltages
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:13:41 < FreezingCold> both read the same
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:13:49 < _abc_> Also do you use left or right aligned ADC result?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:13:54 < _abc_> Use right aligned for sanity
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:14:07 < FreezingCold> gah what though?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:14:46 < FreezingCold> Would it be with my ADC or with my number handling?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:15:09 < _abc_> Your adc setup includes a bit which defines left or right aligned result
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:15:14 < _abc_> Check it is set for left aligned
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:15:19 < _abc_> *RIGHT aligned
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:15:29 < FreezingCold> _abc_: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/8ff707b6/
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:16:10 < cheater> sup FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:16:11 < _abc_> You expect me to read that and make sense of arduino code? ;) ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:16:14 < cheater> how's the ankle doing
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:16:23 < FreezingCold> _abc_: it's not arduino :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:16:29 < FreezingCold> cheater: oh fine, just itchy
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:16:33 < _abc_> setup_adc_ports(sAN0 | sAN1 | sAN2); reeks of arduino
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:16:44 < FreezingCold> I swear on my mother's grave it's not arduino
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:16:50 < FreezingCold> she's still alive, but you get the point
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:16:56 < cheater> if it's itchy it might be infected
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:00 < hjf> guys
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:03 < hjf> does this amp make sense?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:05 < hjf> https://www.dropbox.com/s/qerd04ax85cf3i9/Captura%20de%20pantalla%202014-04-13%2015.16.37.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:17:14 < FreezingCold> _abc_: it's just plain old C
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:16 < Yotson> there is main() in clear sight. its not arduino... lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:17 < cheater> hjf: why are you using dropbox?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:24 < hjf> the graph is I at transistor's base, it's never zero
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:17:32 < cheater> FreezingCold: don't waste time talking to _abc_, he's never helpful
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:17:34 < _abc_> FreezingCold: yeah well the idea is to see that the subroutines read the right things
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:17:42 < hjf> cheater: capturing the screen auto-saves it to dropbox. easier than pasting to imgur :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:00 < FreezingCold> FUCKING PWNED
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:02 < FreezingCold> I think I got it
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:18:11 < hoverboard> http://i.imgur.com/9JMiIiK.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:18:23 < cheater> hjf: and you don't care who's running dropbox?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:29 < FreezingCold> _abc_: this is the crappiest compiler I've used in a long time
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:32 < FreezingCold> actually, ever
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:18:39 < _abc_> Also -3140 is 62397 which makes no sense in any way to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:18:45 < _abc_> gcc?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:49 < FreezingCold> hahahahahahahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:50 < FreezingCold> oh god I wish
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:18:51 < FreezingCold> CCS
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:18:55 < nofxx> To sum up all the ways a chip can chat with another, and in kind of cronological order, it would be UART -> SPI -> I2C ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:19:03 < FreezingCold> http://www.ccsinfo.com/content.php?page=compilers
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:19:05 < hjf> cheater: for things i'll be pasting in public? No
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:19:20 < cheater> hjf: what about, you know, morality
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:19:38 < hjf> is there something i missed lately?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:19:51 < hjf> other than Rice in the dropbox board?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:20:07 < cheater> people running dropbox torture others, and lie about weapons of mass destruction to invade countries and take their oil and destroy their government
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:20:31 < _abc_> FreezingCold: I know what ccs is
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:20:50 < hjf> cheater: if i should have morality issues about that, i should be offline. and cancel my Visa card while i'm at it
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:20:54 < _abc_> cheater: You talk about morality? Muahahah. Let's start with your nick...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:03 < FreezingCold> _abc_: wtf, really?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:06 < cheater> _abc_: shush, the grown-ups are talking
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:09 < FreezingCold> I thought it was unknwon
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:16 < _abc_> cheater: You have a growth indeed
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:27 < _abc_> FreezingCold: yes really
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:28 < cheater> _abc_: don't worry.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:29 < hjf> so basically, that circuit i tested seems to work but i'm not sure it's right
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:38 < FreezingCold> _abc_: when have you used it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:40 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Pretty sure something is amiss with your code but I can't tell what
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:42 < hjf> it puts out about 8V output, is that right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:21:53 < hjf> 8V @ 38 ohms = 1W?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:21:56 < _abc_> FreezingCold: I have it installed and I checked it when I installed it (way back when)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:22:02 < FreezingCold> _abc_: oh I fixed it
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:22:07 < FreezingCold> [14:17:28] <FreezingCold> FUCKING PWNED
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:22:11 < _abc_> What was it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:22:37 < FreezingCold> I forgot to set the internal clock :S
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:23:18 < _abc_> You mean the adc clock?!
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:23:21 < FreezingCold> er yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:23:28 < FreezingCold> no compiler warnings or anything
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:23:30  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:23:43 < _abc_> Is that not in setup_adc_ports(...) ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:23:46 < _abc_> daft!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:24:01 < FreezingCold> nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:24:07 < FreezingCold> SETUP_ADC(ADC_CLOCK_INTERNAL)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:24:16 < _abc_> sigh
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:24:25 < _abc_> What pic you using?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:25:43 < FreezingCold> PIC16F887/877A
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:26:04 < FreezingCold> coursework calls for 877A, but I'm using a 887 because i'm lazy when it comes to wiring
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:26:10 < FreezingCold> the 887 has an internal clock in it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:09 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:30:10 < _abc_> 877 is now a really old part
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:20 < FreezingCold> okay so this is my C skills failing
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:26 < FreezingCold> voltage = reading / 50;
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:30 < FreezingCold> reading is an int
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:33 < FreezingCold> voltage is a float
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:30:38 < Seeker`> How do you work out what the voltage drop will be across the gate/source in a voltage follower MOSFET?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:42 < FreezingCold> but when I do that line voltage gets rounded
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:30:44 < FreezingCold> wtf?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:31:44 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: that sounds about right
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:32:01 < FreezingCold> voltage = (float)reading / 50;
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:32:02 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:32:06  * FreezingCold +1 upgrdman 
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:32:36 < upgrdman> :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:33:11 < madist> coursework calls for a PIC ? get out of that school immediately!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:33:18 < madist> find a proper school.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:33:25 < FreezingCold> haha
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:33:30 < FreezingCold> na, it's a community college
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:33:54 < zap0> if skools aren't teaching quatum computing theory they aren't teaching for the future
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:34:10 < FreezingCold> I'm still relatively young and I needed to do something for a few years to mature a bit
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:34:13 < conjecTech> pfft, zap0, quantum is like 2 generations back
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:34:47 < zap0> pfft!  stop talking your 10 dimensional nonsense...  11 dimensions is the new black!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:43:35 < upgrdman> ya. like hexaflexagons
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:43:37 < _abc_> ... which no-one understands...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:45:00 < _abc_> FreezingCold: How much does your code grow when you start using floating point on ccs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:45:13 < _abc_> 877 has iirc 8kwords of code?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:45:36 < FreezingCold> _abc_: it's really funny, on the old version v3 compiler you'd get a full ROM after like three floats lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:45:49 < FreezingCold> it's not bad, at the moment I'm using like 2k of words
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:45:52 < _abc_> Also schools using pic are okay. Now, if they would be using Arduino, like our *universities* are, I would *worry*.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:45:54 < FreezingCold> for the entire program
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:46:06 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Yeah you are going to have a lot of fun like that
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:46:15 < _abc_> FreezingCold: you can avoid floats if you use fixed point
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:46:20 < FreezingCold> Butttttt
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:46:27 < FreezingCold> the newer version 5 handles floats fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:46:34 < _abc_> okay, good to know
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:46:44 < _abc_> I used to avoid floats like the plague, still do
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:46:54 < FreezingCold> I think they were supposed to give me a time limited trial, but mine has been working for months
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:46:56 < CESSMASTER> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geometric_topology#Dimension
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:46:59 < _abc_> Normalization schnormalization, your pid loop shall oscillate!
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:47:16 < _abc_> FreezingCold: The limited trial refers to size only iirc
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:47:29 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Iow the output code size limit is what expires
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:47:32 < _abc_> afair
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:47:58 < _abc_> also iirc Microchip bought CCS and they now offer them without too many strings attached especially to students
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:48:01 < FreezingCold> " We do not have a Linux demo available online, however, if you tell us which device you want to test, we can provide you with a limited time Linux compiler that will support that particular device."
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:48:13 < zap0> CESSMASTER, Star Trek dialog does a better job of making up names
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:48:26 < FreezingCold> _abc_: you
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:48:32 < _abc_> ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:48:36 < FreezingCold> _abc_: you're thinking of HI-TECH
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:48:41 < FreezingCold> sorry, jumping enter key
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:48:42 < _abc_> Hmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:48:45 < _abc_> Yes probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:49:00 < CESSMASTER> zap0: i'm not sure, geordi never sounds like a total schizophrenic
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:49:01 < FreezingCold> They bought out HI-TECH and now renamed C18 to XC8
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:49:05 < CESSMASTER> whereas mathematicians kind of do
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:49:27 < _abc_> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m789025.aspx
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:49:52 < FreezingCold> _abc_: er, and?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:49:55 < zap0> CESSMASTER, in the early sessions he was an arrogant twat.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:50:27 < _abc_> Hm, strange. So I used hitech C not CCS
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:51:11 < _abc_> No, it is the same.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:51:42 < FreezingCold> No, no, it's really not :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:51:48 < FreezingCold> C18 is somewhat sane
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:51:54 < FreezingCold> CCS is /not/ sane
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:52:00 < _abc_> http://www.microchip.com/pagehandler/en_us/devtools/mplabxc/
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:52:18 < FreezingCold> they wanted me to run their installer as root and let it touch my filesystem
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:52:21 < _abc_> Yeah the snippet you showed did not resemble anything sane. Thus my arduino related uncouth comments.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:52:39 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Install the windows version and run under wine? >;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:52:54 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I did that too, but the pirated version
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:53:03 < FreezingCold> at least here in Linux I have a legit key
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:55:43 < _abc_> An option to activate the use of the PRO Edition features and optimizations is included. After 60 days, the compiler will revert back to the levels of the Free Edition
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:56:06 < _abc_> ^ so no size limit but the code will suddenly compile into something much larger after 60 days?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:56:17 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Is this what you are using in reality?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:56:48 < FreezingCold> yeah I'll probably use xc8 in the future
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:57:13 < FreezingCold> In Canada we have a law that says reverse engineering is okay if it's for unlocking crippled programs
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:57:37 < FreezingCold> so I have a program that allows the "better" optimizations
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:58:20 < _abc_> heh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:59:09 < FreezingCold> I'm not about to pay for a freaking compiler
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T21:59:55 < GPF_1> whats the price?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T21:59:58 < FreezingCold> okay so I'm failing at my own math
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:00:03 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: a few thousand
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:00:14 < cheater> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:00:18 < GPF_1> what program is this?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:00:19 < cheater> why not use llvm?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:00:53 < GPF_1> you must be using a C compiler?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:01:01 < FreezingCold> I wasn't even aware llvm had a PIC compiler?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:01:05 < FreezingCold> sdcc does, but it blows badly
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:01:24 < FreezingCold> okay can somebody help me with a little math here?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:01:25 < FreezingCold> http://i.imgur.com/6fJ5qnc.png
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:01:59 < FreezingCold> If my B1 is 5V, what should the current be passing through R5? And what would be the voltage at R4?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:02:15 < FreezingCold> My prof gave me his proofs but it doesn't match up with my readings
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:02:15 < _abc_> FreezingCold: A little math to make your music sound better?!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:02:20 < ace4016> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:02:26 < _abc_> (crop your screenshots)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:03:23 < FreezingCold> meh, too lazy to crop my screenshots :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:03:37 < Oscillate> I had 20 rolls of black tape,now I can't find any
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:03:57 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I'm getting a reading of 28 on the 10-bit ADC at A1
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:04:06 < _abc_> FreezingCold: B1 is the CE pin on the NJU...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:04:30 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Using what reference on the adc please?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:04:38 < FreezingCold> _abc_: internal
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:04:42 < _abc_> WHICH one
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:04:48 < _abc_> 5V, 2.5, 1.28?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:04:51 < FreezingCold> Vdd and Vss
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:04:53 < FreezingCold> 5V
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:04 < FreezingCold> And what's wrong with B1 being the CE pin...?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:05:14 < _abc_> You said on B1 1st
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:22 < FreezingCold> [15:03:25] <FreezingCold> _abc_: I'm getting a reading of 28 on the 10-bit ADC at A1
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:23 < FreezingCold> A1
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:05:32 < _abc_> So 28 adc counts is 28*5/1024 volts
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:45 < FreezingCold> oh, by B1 I meant battery one >_<
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:47 < FreezingCold> my bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:05:54 < FreezingCold> I just noticed that I do have two B1's
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:05:58 < _abc_> ~ 0.1367V
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:06:16 < FreezingCold> Why *5?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:06:20 < _abc_> What is the real question?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:06:27 < tobyp> is there one program that allows me to do schematic capture of circuits and export to LaTeX (TikZ) format?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:06:28 < _abc_> 5V power supply no?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:06:51 < FreezingCold> _abc_: Basically what do I need to do to calculate the current across R5 with that schematic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:06:54 < _abc_> tobyp: Xfig has latex fig output support
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:06:58 < FreezingCold> _abc_: my math tells me just divide by 50
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:07:11 < FreezingCold> in mA
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:07:19 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Ir3 = Ub/(R5+R3)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:07:26 < _abc_> in A
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:07:44 < FreezingCold> What's Ub?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:07:48 < _abc_> And Ur3 = Ir3*R3
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:08:02 < _abc_> Iow Ur3 = Ub * R3 / (R5+R3)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:08:09 < _abc_> And in Adc counts:
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:09:06 < R0b0t1> Fig output?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:09:15 < R0b0t1> What program gives you output in figs?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:09:23 < FreezingCold> My prof said I need to do (A1*12)/1000 in 8-bit mode
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:09:39 < FreezingCold> so in 10-bit, that would be like (A1*3)/1000?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:09:57 < FreezingCold> which still sounds very odd to me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:10:15 < _abc_> Adc = Ub * R3 / (R5 + R3) / Vref * 1024
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:10:36 < _abc_> Which works out to half what you see
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:10:53 < FreezingCold> What's Ub
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:11:07 < _abc_> Battery voltage
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:11:36 < FreezingCold> current = (float)reading / 50;
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:11:45 < FreezingCold> what should I change that to?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:12:03 < _abc_> First see that reading will be VERY low with your circuit
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:12:05 < bcsllc> Be my computer...... baby im a user
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:12:18 < _abc_> How many volts is your Ub? Or B+? With relay closed?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:12:22 < bcsllc> "illl be your computer.... if you be a good user..."
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:12:43 < _abc_> Also do you close the relay before measuring, and wait for it to settle...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:12:47 < FreezingCold> _abc_: at the moment I'm measuring 0.0431 V at A1 with the battery voltage at 3.7V to 4V
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:12:53 < FreezingCold> The relay is closed :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:13:36 < _abc_> Yeah so I think something is wrong.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:13:38 < FreezingCold> is 0.0431 V expected?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:13:41 < FreezingCold> oh damn
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:13:46 < _abc_> R5 is 10k not 1k?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:14:13 < FreezingCold> brown black orange
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:14:18 < _abc_> With your circuit values you should see just 4mV on R3
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:14:26 < _abc_> I mean should it not be 1k...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:14:47 < FreezingCold> R5 is supposed to represent a load or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:14:59 < _abc_> Yes but you are not putting any current into it
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:15:06 < FreezingCold> no, I'm measuring past R4, not R3
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:15:13 < _abc_> If R5 would be 1k you should see 30mV on R3
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:15:18 < FreezingCold> actually the voltage is more or less the same
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:15:21 < _abc_> Should not matter
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:15:26 < _abc_> At this point
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:15:26 < FreezingCold> yeah you're right
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:15:45 < _abc_> And I mean, you should see 30mV on R3 with 30V input
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:15:52 < FreezingCold> No, I'm using a 5V input
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:15:56 < _abc_> I know
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:16:04 < FreezingCold> oh good :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:16:16 < FreezingCold> okay so I'm going to spot off some voltage readings
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:16:24 < _abc_> hm
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:16:38 < FreezingCold> between R5 and relay is 4.4V
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:17:08 < _abc_> And on R3 you can just barely see 3mV
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:17:28 < FreezingCold> On the other end of R5 (middle of R4 and R3) I see 0.0436V
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:17:33 < _abc_> 4.4mV
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:17:45 < FreezingCold> so it's off by a factor of ten
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:17:48 < _abc_> Try to measure directly on R3, both probes
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:17:56 < _abc_> (is this a breadboard?)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:18:01 < FreezingCold> yeah it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:18:04 < _abc_> ugh
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:18:10 < _abc_> Measure directly on R3 pins
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:18:48 < FreezingCold> 0.0048V
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:19:15 < _abc_> So now you need to find out what the prof really wanted because the equations you gave are bogus
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:19:21 < _abc_> Perhaps the schematic needs updating?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:19:49 < FreezingCold> huh, why did moving my probe ground change it by a factor of ten....?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:19:53 < FreezingCold> that makes no sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:20:05 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: ground is a lie
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:20:21 < FreezingCold> :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:20:36 < ziikutv> When i take apart an ipod.. can i use the CPU inside it for something?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:20:42 < _abc_> In Adc terms, Adc = Ir3[A] * 10[Ohms] * (1024[Adc_resolution] / 5[Vadc_reference])
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:20:42 < ziikutv> or it cant be used for anything else
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:20:46 < ziikutv> i want to try and program with it :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:20:47 < FreezingCold> _abc_: okay so we've sort of figured out that my voltage is "correct"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:21:23 < _abc_> so inverting that Ir3 = Adc * 5 / 10240 in amps
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:21:33 < SpeedEvil> ziikutv: Broadly, no.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:21:41 < _abc_> er *5000
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:21:55 < FreezingCold> that would be reading / 0.5?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:21:58 < SpeedEvil> ziikutv: To be strictly accurate - perhaps - but it's orders of magnitude easier and likely cheaper to use another processor
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:22:03 < _abc_> FreezingCold: about yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:08 < _abc_> *0.4883
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:15 < _abc_> ~
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:16 < ziikutv> SpeedEvil: so i might as well throw it away?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:22:19 < FreezingCold> lol it says I'm reading 44 mA now
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:26 < SpeedEvil> ziikutv: regretably.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:32 < _abc_> Missed a zero somewhere. Should be 4.4
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:51 < SpeedEvil> ziikutv: very little inside todays consumer electronics can be sanely recycled into other stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:22:56 < GPF_1> ziikutv : ipods have special hardware coding in them, the make sure the CPU comes up their way, otherwise BOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:23:03 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:20 < _abc_> FreezingCold: wait, the breadboard can be causing the mess
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:22 < FreezingCold> _abc_: here's the thing, I can only go from around 19 to 21 from my ADC readings
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:25 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Stop! ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:37  * FreezingCold freezes and drops to the ground
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:38 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: Hammertime.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:23:56 < _abc_> FreezingCold: yes. You have to route the wires from R3 directly and separately to pic gnd.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:24:15 < _abc_> FreezingCold: your added grounds add up to the remaining ohms/mVs
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:24:18 < GPF_1> I looked at the C code where the bug is for the HeartBleed function in OpenSSL,
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:24:25 < GPF_1> I don't think that was a bug.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:24:31 < _abc_> FreezingCold: try to vigorously wiggle the wires in the breadboard
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:24:34 < GPF_1> only made to look like one if ever found.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:25:09 < nylar> GPF_1 quite likely
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:25:13 < FreezingCold> _abc_: What do you mean by route the wires from R3 directly?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:25:25 < nylar> nsa was exploiting the fuck out of it for a couple years without saying anything
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:25:47 < FreezingCold> nylar: the dude doesn't work for the NSA. He's a poor german geek
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:25:49 < _abc_> FreezingCold: I mean, unplug r3 ground side from 'ground' bar in breadboard, route wire for it to mcu ground directly, next to gnd pin on pic
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:26:11 < _abc_> FreezingCold: and connect battery ground directly at R3 also.
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:26:17 < GPF_1> being OPEN, I bet one of the dev's had some non-taxable cash come their way!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:26:22 < hjf> so how much power do i want for a headphone amplifier?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:26:28 < FreezingCold> _abc_: can I just run an extra wire from the ground beside R3 to Vss?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:26:29 < bcsllc> in C, if there are static var in a function, does that mean just those vars are kept in memory somewhere, does other stuff from the function stay in memory, when the function is done ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:26:30 < nylar> yeah but to introduce something into openssl was pretty silly
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:26:33 < hjf> i'm reading 10-20mW is usual?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:26:42 < _abc_> FreezingCold: yes but unplug the R3 ground end from the ground 'rail'
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:26:55 < FreezingCold> _abc_: really? :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:27:01 < nylar> either the coder was a noob, which seems odd for a project like openssl
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:27:04 < _abc_> FreezingCold: so Battery B1.1 -> R3 ground end -> wire -> Vss
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:27:08 < nylar> or it was accidentally on purpose
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:27:12 < GPF_1> I've done lots of C coding and I can with out a doubt, that was by design..
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:27:51 < GPF_1>  I would be some of the DEV may have some old source code laying around that shows that section being writen a little different.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:28:04 < FreezingCold> _abc_: lol wut
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:28:13 < FreezingCold> connecting my grounds messes my LCD screen
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:28:14 < _abc_> Dude scroll up, do what I told you
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:28:15 < FreezingCold> haha what
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:28:58 < GPF_1>  You see, the best way to do something like that is to make sure it shows up in the source code, that way they can just say it was a bug!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:28:58 < nylar> hehe #openssl is pretty quiet today
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:29:07 < _abc_> #openssl is always quiet
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:29:14 < _abc_> Especially when you ask an urgent question
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:29:19 < nylar> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:29:21 < FreezingCold> _abc_: what's B1.1
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:29:25 < FreezingCold> the battery ground?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:29:39 < _abc_> FreezingCold: On your schematic, the notation for the B1 battery's ground pin!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:29:45 < _abc_> Wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:30:06 < _abc_> GPF_1: Yes, but you have to wait 2-3 years for maximum effect
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:30:21 < _abc_> Then you can call it a 'zero years' bug, as opposed to 'zero day'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:13 < nylar> as a person who has backdoored code (for good reason mind you) it looks like a typical obfuscation
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:17 < _abc_> I have it from good sources that C pointer arithmetic and array bounds checking and such are sure ways to cause problems.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:32:31 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I moved my grounds and now I have a massive range of 11 to 12
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:33 < _abc_> Was the good reason dollars and cents?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:42 < nylar> nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:45 < GPF_1> sure,m
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:48 < nylar> it was to keep script kiddies in check
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:50 < GPF_1> it made lots of CENTS!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:32:52 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:32:54 < _abc_> FreezingCold: You mean when opening and closing relay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:33:04 < FreezingCold> _abc_: the relay is always powered (closed)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:33:07 < _abc_> GPF_1: 10^8?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:33:12 < GPF_1> :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:33:19 < _abc_> FreezingCold: So unplug the B1 battery temporarily?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:33:53 < _abc_> FreezingCold: You will have to work it out yourself, I feel this is part of the assignment.
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:34:10 < FreezingCold> ehhh, not really...
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:34:12 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Make you learn about ground currents and their effects. Was breadboard specified by the project?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:34:16 < FreezingCold> Yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:34:19 < _abc_> Aha
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:34:28 < FreezingCold> I have to use all the "minimum" required parts
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:34:28 < _abc_> So then I don't want you to jump stages ...
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:34:45 < _abc_> Good luck finding out how that mystery bias appears on the ground wire...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:34:58 < FreezingCold> There shouldn't be one and none of my classmates had any
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:03 < GPF_1> I told someone one day that if they really thought the GOV/NSA would allow the use of real security software, they had a screw loose!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:10 < _abc_> Can also be a busted pic but I have a doubt
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:35:17 < FreezingCold> at this point I'm tempted to fake the readings
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:24 < MjrTom> you had an assignment that told you to use breadboard?  lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:24 < nylar> lol GPF_1 no kidding ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:25 < _abc_> You did connect all the Vss and Vdd pins together on the pic, right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:35:45 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:35:46 < nylar> here's an article to back up that argument if you ever get into it again GPF_1 http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/09/05/us/documents-reveal-nsa-campaign-against-encryption.html?_r=2&
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:35:51 < FreezingCold> I'll try adding an external 5V supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:36:12 < FreezingCold> okay wow
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:36:20 < _abc_> FreezingCold: wait, you were using the same supply ?!
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:36:31 < _abc_> SIGH
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:36:33 < FreezingCold> Yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:36:39 < _abc_> Don't do that!
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:36:42 < FreezingCold> :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:36:47 < _abc_> Get a 9V supply or something for the B1
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:36:48 < MjrTom> same supply as what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:36:52 < FreezingCold> I can't see how that'd mess up my readings THIS bad
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:36:57 < _abc_> And use a stable regulated 5V only for the mcu
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:37:11 < _abc_> You were changing the reference voltage?!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:37:29 < FreezingCold> what? No...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:37:38 < FreezingCold> I was using a pot to act like the battery
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:37:42 < FreezingCold> taking the voltage from the middle pin
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:37:45 < MjrTom> >:|
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:37:51 < _abc_> :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:38:13 < FreezingCold> How is that bad?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:38:31 < ohsix> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:38:37 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:38:38  * _abc_ whistles innocently and moves towards his sleeping pad
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:38:44 < SpeedEvil> Marketing. You are selling this - your prouct shot has it held up by a grungy looking dude. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/autoblow-2-a-realistic-robotic-oral-sex-simulator-for-men
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:38:47 < ohsix> upgrdman: varry van veen
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:38:48 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I'm not finished with you yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:38:52 < _abc_> I am
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:39:00 < _abc_> The schematic calls for a separate battery
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:39:01 < FreezingCold> _abc_: May I tie the battery ground with the circuit ground?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:39:05 < _abc_> SEPARATE battery
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:39:28 < GPF_1> interesting
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:39:40 < FreezingCold> fuck he quit
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:39:45 < CESSMASTER> SpeedEvil: are there any kickstarters for electronic prostate stimulators
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T22:39:47 < FreezingCold> I changed the power supply and same thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:40:04 < GPF_1>  I wonder how long it would take for the men in black to show up at your door step if you start using a private encrypt system?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:40:23 < Polesch> The wattage rating, is it at the output?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T22:40:32 < SpeedEvil> One time pads are increasingy possible.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:07:04 < irleddy> so I have a ir led which I connected through a 1k resistor to 5v. I checked with the webcam of this laptop, and it barely light. how do you maximize its brightness? it's a generic led btw
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T23:07:49 < FreezingCold> Fuck
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:07:55 < irleddy> 100?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:08:10 < irleddy> don'y you fry a normal led with 100 ohms?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T23:17:47 < FreezingCold> Why doesn't this work? voltage = (float)reading / 50 * (1000/1024)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:18:20 < password2> why the 1000/1024?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:21:10 < Polesch> Oh, right now it's just an amplifier
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:21:25 < guanche> a ok
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2014-04.log:2014-04-13T23:21:52 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: i mean there could be a whole number of reasons that "doesn't work", what arey ou trying to do
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:22:07 < CESSMASTER> but the integer rounding is def one of those reasons
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:22:32 < password2> 220V is not that bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-13T23:22:33 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: yeah it's rounding, I'm getting help in ##c
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:22:53 < Polesch> password2, I put some nails in the socket as a kid
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:22:56 < Polesch> I can't help it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:33:52 < cheater> joga: i hate it, there are some doors that keep on doing that to me, and i always try to touch with my palm first, then it's not bad at all, like it is with the fingers
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:34:13 < hjf> http://i.imgur.com/1NcNCae.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:34:20 < hjf> is this behaving as class-A?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:34:35 < bertrik> I find that it's not as bad if you discharge through something that has a big surface interface to your skin, e.g. keys
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:48:27 < mrdata> ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:49:07 < R0b0t1> Are we on the "try everything until it works" stage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:49:17 < mrdata> R0b0t1 seems so
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2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:50:01  * mrdata doubts there is anything wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:50:09 < bertrik> nothing wrong, it's excellent
2014-04.log-2014-04-13T23:50:51 < mrdata> what kind of current does the op amp need?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T01:32:58 < Anaphaxeton> feel it
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T01:33:17 < Anaphaxeton> if i feed an lm with rectified AC it wil work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T01:33:39 < Seeker`> MjrTom: I wanted to avoid switching because I'm still brand new at circuit design and didn't really want to play around with higher frequency stuff yet
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T01:34:02 < FreezingCold> What are "pro" grade polygraph testers made from?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T01:34:14 < MjrTom> yes. They are called regulators because that do that; you give it a voltage that suits their specs and they will "regulate" it to the output voltage according to the part you've selected and how you've configured it.  They are designed to expect bad quality input voltage
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T01:34:32 < FreezingCold> They pick up heart beats and skin temp right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T01:34:44 < MjrTom> well Seeker` as you see fit, but they are gimmies when using those chips from Linear, and their white papers/app notes on them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T02:39:03 < Blue|X220> GPF_1: I don't know why not lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T02:39:11 < Blue|X220> and you don't need a bank account to connect it to if you have a credit card
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:21 < FreezingCold> okay, start shooting me ideas for a fun yet practical final project!
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:26 < FreezingCold> I have a six axis robot
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T02:39:27 < Blue|X220> anybody else got any ideas about my mesh neworking problem?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:29 < FreezingCold> that's semi retarded
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:36 < FreezingCold> but I can give it pre-recorded locations
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:45 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: For final project I recommend Batman wings and jumping from high cliff
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T02:39:50 < Magavari> About control theory. i have a transfer function  (s+2) / (s+1)(s+2)  .  Since it has pole-zero cancellation it can't be both controllable and observable, and also we know it can be either controllable or observable ( by choosing control canonical form and observability canonical form ) but how can we realize it to be both uncontrollable and unobservable ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:39:52 < FreezingCold> and I have a conveyor belt
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:40:06 < FreezingCold> and for some retarded reason I need pneumatics in it
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:41:21 < FreezingCold> which pisses me off
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:41:26 < FreezingCold> because there's NO need for pneumatics here
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:41:33 < FreezingCold> that's the joy of a six axis robot
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:41:36 < FreezingCold> it can do everything
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:42:20  * FreezingCold clenches fist
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:44:14 < FreezingCold> and I know JFK911 keeps suggesting it, but I will *NOT* make a porno for my final class project
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T02:44:51 < Knightmare91> Yeah, if its freezingcold, that may be a bit embarrasing.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T02:45:08 < FreezingCold> meh, I need to work on my chest area a bit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:03:05 < R0b0t1> cat how did you get here
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T03:05:01 < FreezingCold> Is that a real program?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:55:12 < bcsllc> does anyone know the result of too much cap on xtals ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:55:36 < LeelooMinai> black hole
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T03:55:58 < FreezingCold> okay so I have this thing that needs a 32 kHz crystal
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T03:55:58 < FreezingCold> http://datasheet.eeworld.com.cn/pdf/NJRC/108226_NJU6355EM.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T03:57:05 < FreezingCold> can I just tap XT to +5 every 31.25 microseconds?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:58:04 < bcsllc> WARNING :  Apr 01, 2014 12:59:10 AM: Controller 0: Sector repair completed: port=0, LBA=0x4BA44C
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:58:54  * bcsllc is now accepting drive donations
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T03:59:12 < GPF_1> ha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:03:51 < robotustra_> what is CC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:03:59 < GPF_1> credit card.
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:04:07 < robotustra_> sure I can
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:04:15 < FreezingCold> [20:56:33] <FreezingCold> can I just tap XT to +5 every 31.25 microseconds?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:04:19 < FreezingCold> Or will that damage it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:04:31 < robotustra_> I need carbon fiber
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:04:36 < GPF_1> XT ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:04:37 < robotustra_> and rosin
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:51:34 < FreezingCold> huh, so my clock doesn't move hours and minutes, but seconds go from 48 to 63
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:51:48 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: o.O what clock is doing *that*
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:51:49 < Bird|otherbox> ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:52:11 < FreezingCold> nju6355
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:52:45 < FreezingCold> Bird|otherbox: Would you mind glancing at the include?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:53:30 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/SYFN
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:55:10 < Bird|otherbox> for a BCD RTC? that sounds like a hardware failure
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:55:25 < FreezingCold> oh crap it may be working
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:55:56 < FreezingCold> Why must my prof make everything so much more difficult than it has to be...
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T04:57:49 < warsh> !help
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:58:08 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:58:16 < FreezingCold> it counts normally
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:58:21 < FreezingCold> except at 16 it jumps back to 10
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:58:50 < FreezingCold> er 15*
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:58:55 < FreezingCold> and then second time around it works fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:59:05 < FreezingCold> 25 goes to 20, then works
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:59:08 < FreezingCold> 35 to 30, then works
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T04:59:11 < FreezingCold> I have an extra 6 seconds
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:00:01 < FreezingCold> I'm having 16 seconds for every 10 seconds
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:09:44 < bcsllc> just to get it right
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:09:53 < bcsllc> that its not 17mm
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:09:54 < bcsllc> *
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:10:59 < FreezingCold> let's all insult Mad7Scientist
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:11:11 < FreezingCold> uh, your hair
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:11:15 < FreezingCold> looks like
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:11:17 < FreezingCold> an ugly hair!
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:11:18 < FreezingCold> hahaha
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:11:35 < bgamari> If I take and measure between two steel bolts in a salt water solution with a standard multimeter, I find that there is a 60mV potential
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:11:38 < bgamari> What is going on here?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:36:45 < FreezingCold> huh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:37:09 < FreezingCold> so my BCD clock is still counting to 16 instead of 10
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:37:18 < anonnumberanon> Lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:38:53 < jaggz> so if you're testing a car's electric leak with your ammeter, but the current spikes pretty high when you first contact it, how do you test it without blowing your meter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:39:04 < JFK911> FreezingCold: u need to reset to zero when u see eleven
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:08 < Hyratel> uhhh
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:10 < jaggz> (multimeter)
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:12 < madist> do modern (~5 years old) PCs still have a 74LS373 chip driving the parallel port ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:39:14 < JFK911> FreezingCold: some and gates should help u
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:18 < Hyratel> you test current in series
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:39:22 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it went to 41 to 0 I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:24 < Hyratel> you test voltage in parallel
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:31 < jaggz> yeah.. but I think a cap draws a lot of current
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:47 < Hyratel> also "electric Leak"?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:52 < jaggz> yeah.. did I say something that led you to believe I was testing voltage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:56 < madist> jaggz: can't you short out the ammmeter while connecting it and disconnect the short later ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:39:58 < FreezingCold> so I have 18 seconds being miscounted or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:39:59 < Hyratel> yes a cap will draw a large inrush current
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:40:06 < jaggz> something's draining my battery
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:40:06 < FreezingCold> 42 = 60
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:40:14 < jaggz> madist, ok, that's the way, thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:40:20 < FreezingCold> anonnumberanon: yeah it's in binary instead of bcd
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:40:50 < jaggz> now it's dark.. Hyratel, thanks a lot for wasting so much time.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:41:06 < Hyratel> thefuck are you talking about
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:50:52 < FreezingCold> oh weird
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:51:04 < FreezingCold> seconds are in hex but hours and minutes are in bcd....?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:51:06 < FreezingCold> freaks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:54:00 < JFK911> but essentially bcd is hex without A-F got it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:54:34 < madist> it must be designed for a clock that only displays the hours and minutes
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:55:41 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah I'm aware :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:55:44 < FreezingCold> thanks I figured it out
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:55:48 < FreezingCold> the clock is fucking weird
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:56:05 < FreezingCold> I have to convert some data types with hours and minutes, but NOT with seconds
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:56:19 < JFK911> oh you using a rtc chip?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:57:01 < Faxious> Anyone able to tell me the limitations on booster chips? Is the output current a limiting factor?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T05:58:01 < FullDive> NPN poinst out, right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T05:58:09 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeppers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:03:03 < JFK911> FreezingCold: hehe oh!  since you said you counted to 16 i thought you were making your own clock from 1970s style discrete counters and such.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:03:24 < JFK911> which is how i detonated all of my childhood pyrotechnics btw
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:03:52 < mead> has anyone replaced a tablet battery before?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:03:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I had a random thought; it seems odd to me that a man with two kids is saying "hehe oh!" online
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:04:12 < FreezingCold> I just can't picture it
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:04:24 < JFK911> ive only got one kid
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:04:28 < FreezingCold> mead: No, but doesn't sound hard
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:04:44 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh okay that's a bit different. One can be a mistake; two isn't
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:04:53 < FreezingCold> heck I could have a kid by now easily
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:04:54 < Casper> mead: opening the tablet sould be the hardest thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:04:54 < JFK911> but you dont know me i could be a teenage girl irl
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:01 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pics
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:09 < FreezingCold> Casper: depends on the model
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:21 < mead> FreezingCold: well the soldiering would be easy, but finding the correct battery replace the old one.  That is what I need help with
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:29 < FreezingCold> now that's easy
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:32 < FreezingCold> what tablet?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:05:37 < FreezingCold> what country are you shipping it to?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:06:06 < mead> well... I don't want it to be easy, I wanna replace it with one with more mah.
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:06:10 < mead> hehe
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:06:19 < FreezingCold> that's not going to happen
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:06:38 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I should clarify that I'm not even over 20, so there's less of a creepy factor with me dating other teenagers :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:06:38 < mead> I think it can be done
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:06:54 < FreezingCold> what model?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:07:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: well you kids have caught that the images i posted to gonewild were from medicalpictures.net im not even going to try it with you FreezingCold because you kids are just too good today
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:07:28 < mead> I have a "double power" EM63, but it identifies as a Gigabyte EM63 to google's android servers
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:07:44 < FreezingCold> JFK911: we've got google reverse images and everything
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:07:50 < Casper> mead: it may be done, but you will have to make a new back cover
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:08:10  * FreezingCold Google's his own name
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:08:12 < mead> Casper: sounds like fun to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:08:24 < FreezingCold> wtf, how is my own site with my OWN NAME as the domain not the top result?!
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:08:53 < JFK911> host some medicalpictures you'll get some traffic
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:09:52 < JFK911> 'achieved top google result for +prolapse +tattoo'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:10:01 < mead> is there a better place to order batteries than from Aliexpress?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:10:06 < FreezingCold> ebay
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:10:14 < JFK911> ive had good luck on ebay
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:10:22 < madist> buying or selling ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:10:27 < mead> buying
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:10:33 < JFK911> buying - they were noname brand risks that worked out ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:11:14 < FreezingCold> buying
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:11:17 < FreezingCold> selling sucks on ebay
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:12:42 < mead> anyone know of a good method of estimating how much space is inside of a device for a larger battery?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:12:42 < Casper> the fees are what now? 15-20%?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:15:18 < JFK911> ive got some radios that several different Li batteries fit in.  some are thicker
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:16:27 < JFK911> the thick batteries are difficult to find now, the thinner ones also went in some telephone handsets
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:16:33 < FreezingCold> Where can I find a 60 Hz interference aside from my skin?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:16:40 < FreezingCold> I'm getting tired of holding this pin
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:16:40 < JFK911> all around you
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:17:03 < JFK911> are you using that as your clock's timebase?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:17:03 < FreezingCold> my protoboard doesn't have enough
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:17:06 < FreezingCold> Yes
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:17:29 < Casper> FreezingCold: transformer
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:17:42 < JFK911> http://www.intersil.com/content/dam/Intersil/documents/an13/an1342.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:17:42 < JFK911> i found u an appnote
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:17:52 < mead> after I open it up, what is the best way of measuring how much space the back of the case allows for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:17:58 < JFK911> they just took a trafo
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:18:05 < FreezingCold> JFK911: LOL it's not supposed to be accurate
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:18:08 < JFK911> mead: coins
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:18:13 < FreezingCold> it's supposed to run on a 32 kHz clock
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:18:37 < JFK911> you can divide 32kHz to 64
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:19:17 < JFK911> looks like intersil wants to divide 60Hz to 4Hz
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:19:35 < FreezingCold> there we go
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:19:45 < FreezingCold> a nice long thick wire did the trick
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:19:47 < JFK911> and then driving a pll from that to get 32768hz
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:20:03 < JFK911> yeah probably wrap it around a powercord and it will pick it up
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:20:27 < FreezingCold> just hanging seems to work too
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:21:24 < JFK911> just plugging a wire into my oscilloscope makes me think there is a few millivolts of 60hz field around the room
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:22:51 < madist> you should see what happens when you live near an AM radio station
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:24:00 < JFK911> im close enough to an fm utility station that blasts 24h
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:25:46 < FreezingCold> Casper: who are these people?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:25:46 < FreezingCold> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/93694432@N04/13748218665/
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:26:41 < Casper> FreezingCold: no idea, but someone who shouln't dress like candy...
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:27:03 < Hyratel> mead, a set of spacers
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:11 < FreezingCold> Casper: what video cards do you have?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:27:11 < LeelooMinai> It was weird to browse into it after all those butterflies
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:12 < FreezingCold> they look nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:24 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:27:24 < Casper> gtx275 here
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:27 < FreezingCold> the video cards...
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:32 < FreezingCold> not the women >_<
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:27:38 < FreezingCold> Casper: you have them in SLi though?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:27:50 < Casper> no sli
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:06 < Casper> errr... 275 is the dead one
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:11 < Casper> now it's a 760... woops
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:22 < Casper> the 760 is smaller
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:28:34 < FreezingCold> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/93694432@N04/11076846126/
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:28:37 < FreezingCold> What's that then?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:42 < Casper> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:52 < Casper> that's a crazy guy that ordered a computer at work...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:28:57 < Casper> 2x titan
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:29:02 < dnem> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:29:04 < Casper> in sli...
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:08 < FreezingCold> Casper: nice, you bought it for him?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:15 < FreezingCold> Casper: Are you selling your Rigol?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:29:23 < Casper> no, and no
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:41 < FreezingCold> why are you taking tempting pictures of it then? :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:43 < FreezingCold> it looks for sale to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:50 < FreezingCold> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/93694432@N04/9973577673/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:29:53 < Casper> to tempt you :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:29:54 < FreezingCold> SCREAMS "FOR SALE"
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:30:02 < Casper> unboxing!
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:30:13 < FreezingCold> hahahaha is this your car?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:30:13 < FreezingCold> https://secure.flickr.com/photos/93694432@N04/9460134989/
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:31:08 < Casper> no
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:31:18 < Casper> a photograph that I went with
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:31:25 < dnem> i want to make device and i want to use a specific display, but i cant seem to find any code for it to run the display
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:31:26 < Casper> he backed off there
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:31:33 < FreezingCold> Casper: Why do you have 18TB of porn?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:31:49 < hjf> so
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:31:59 < Casper> FreezingCold: it's now 21, but 15
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:32:00 < hjf> i think i'll build that circuit i made
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:32:03 < hjf> on ltspice
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:32:07 < hjf> it seems to work ok there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:33:19 < hjf> http://i.imgur.com/dJkBekU.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:33:22 < hjf> this is what i came up with
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:33:31 < Casper> madist: maybe it make a resonator of some sort with an internal trace or something
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:33:48 < FreezingCold> Casper: How many years have you been working on your collection?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:34:05 < Casper> few?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:34:13 < Casper> and zero porn
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:34:30 < LeelooMinai> He was afraid to woid the warranty
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:34:35 < LeelooMinai> void*
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:34:39 < FreezingCold> Casper: what do you use those drives for then?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:34:49 < FreezingCold> Casper: Do you run a piracy group or something?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:34:55 < hjf> FreezingCold: "backups"
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:35:07 < madist> FreezingCold: he's stockpiling HDDs for the apocalypse.
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:35:17 < Casper> storage of what I accumulate over the years
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:35:24 < Casper> and no
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:35:35 < FreezingCold> how the fuck do you "accumulate" 18TB worth of data?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:35:44 < JFK911> never clean /tmp
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:35:49 < madist> when global warming causes Malaysia to get permanently flooded, Casper will sell those HDDs on the blackmarket for $$$$
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:36:05 < JFK911> never clean up closed projects... or never finish projects
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:36:07 < FreezingCold> I almost bought 18TB worth of drives from a drug dealer a few months back
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:36:21 < FreezingCold> but then I found out he was a drug dealer and got a bit nervous lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:36:39 < FreezingCold> smelled like he was laundering money
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:36:48 < madist> by selling drugs ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:36:53 < hjf> anyone see that new series
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:36:55 < hjf> silicon valley
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:37:10 < madist> hjf: is that a TV show about artificial implants ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:37:21 < hjf> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:37:23 < FreezingCold> madist: buying electronics with drug money, and then claiming he got the money just by selling electronics
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:37:28 < FreezingCold> hjf: yeah I saw it
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:37:28 < hjf> it's very good
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:37:46 < hjf> i like how they make fun of google's bullshit corporate culture
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:37:52 < FreezingCold> They talk a little too much about tech things
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:37:59 < FreezingCold> like the compression bullshit sounded a bit retarded
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:38:10 < JFK911> why would people like us watch a show like that
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:38:23 < FreezingCold> "like us"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:38:26 < FreezingCold> I wasn't aware we were a gang ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:38:32 < hjf> JFK911: nerds need a nerd show that's not TBBT
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:38:40 < hjf> somehow, they're offended by that
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:38:55 < JFK911> well probably there are some common denominators for many here that dont apply to most people who watch tv
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:38:55 < FreezingCold> I find the big bang theory funny because I don't understand in detail any of the stuff they're talking about
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:39:01 < FreezingCold> so I sort of get the science jokes and it's funny
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:39:05 < Hyratel> TBBT is a nerd show written by jocks
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:39:11 < hjf> here we go
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:39:16 < FreezingCold> if I was more sciencey, I'm sure I wouldn't find it funny
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:39:29 < hjf> tbbt is a funny show
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:39:33 < FreezingCold> yep
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:39:42 < hjf> the whole comic book shop scenes are excellent
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:39:48 < hjf> AND I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:40:49 < FreezingCold> hjf: you agree that the compression storyline is BS though right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:40:56 < FreezingCold> it made me cringe a little
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:41:07 < hjf> of course it's BS but it's good
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:41:08 < hjf> i mean
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:41:11 < hjf> technically impossible
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:41:20 < FreezingCold> right
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:41:23 < hjf> but it makes for a good storyline
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:41:23 < FreezingCold> that annoys me
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:41:36 < FreezingCold> why can't he do something technically impossible?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:41:46 < FreezingCold> he could have made something stupid like snapchat
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:41:55 < JFK911> i dont think people who write tv know whats possible or not
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:42:17 < hjf> it's a fucking tv show guys
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:42:28 < hjf> but it's good entertainment
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:42:45 < hjf> the point of the compression scheme (and the ability to search *into* compressed data!)
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:42:52 < hjf> imagine if that was possible
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:42:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: but they have tech consultants.....
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:43:02 < FreezingCold> they get a good 90% of the stuff very right
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:43:08 < JFK911> hjf: it may be possible to search inside compressed data depending on various characteristics such as the dictionary size
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:43:09 < FreezingCold> but the other 10% is fucking crazy stupid batshit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:44:30 < hjf> i loved the TED talk
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:44:32 < hjf> ahahahaha
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:44:40 < hjf> nerds = TED
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:46:05 < hjf> FreezingCold: the creator of the series is mike judge
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:46:11 < hjf> king of the hill
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:46:12 < JFK911> o he is funny
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:46:16 < hjf> beavis and butthead
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:46:34 < FreezingCold> that seems like a stupid show
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:46:38 < hjf> After Mike Judge graduated from UCSD with a degree in physics, his first job was as a programmer working on the F-18 fighter. In 1987 he moved to the Silicon Valley region of Northern California and joined Parallax, a startup video card company with about 40 employees
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:46:41 < hjf> shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:47:00 < FreezingCold> lol I love how old America's fighter planes are
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:47:09 < FreezingCold> wtf is the point of them anyway?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:47:11 < ss23> FreezingCold: Haven't had a proper war in a while to drive it forward ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:47:26 < FreezingCold> Why not use missiles?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:47:41 < JFK911> missiles are cheating
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:48:26 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:48:55 < FreezingCold> The USA should use non-nuclear ICBMs
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:49:10 < FreezingCold> they could do an entire war from behind a computer
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:49:33 < JFK911> i think it was a travesty that it evolved beyond trenches
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:49:55 < FreezingCold> at least we get it over with quick now
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:49:56 < JFK911> that was the best kind of fighting and everyone knew how terrible it was
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:50:03 < FreezingCold> meh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:50:11 < FreezingCold> with nuclear options, we know that they aren't options
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:50:18 < JFK911> well i think the point should be that it's so unfun that it shouldn't be done
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:50:44 < JFK911> nowadays, economies are so strong that engaging in war would be ruinous
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:50:52 < JFK911> so nobody will pick a fair fight
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:50:55 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:50:59 < pWNAGE> shame project pluto never became a reality
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:51:01 < FreezingCold> everyone who could start a fight doesn't want to
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:51:06 < FreezingCold> pWNAGE: what's that?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:51:16 < JFK911> and everyone who wants to fight has nothing to lose.
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:51:18 < FreezingCold> pWNAGE: oooooohhh I totally rememeber that
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:51:33 < pWNAGE> FreezingCold, nuclear powered ramjet that would orbit the earth until we decided to nuke someone
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:51:53 < FreezingCold> pWNAGE: wasn't that a area denial weapon?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:51:57 < JFK911> thats a nice thing to give to humanity
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:52:06 < FreezingCold> cause it was just spitting out nuclear waste all the time
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:52:13 < JFK911> what a thoughtful person who invented that
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:52:45 < hjf> so my brother was invited to be a speaker in some php conference
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:52:57 < FreezingCold> JFK911: they canceled the project because they knew it was fucking insane to teset
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:52:58 < FreezingCold> *test
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:52:59 < pWNAGE> FreezingCold, the name comes from the idea that the planet would be like pluto after awhile
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:53:03 < pWNAGE> ◔ ◡ ◔
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:53:08 < FreezingCold> haha yeah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:53:26 < FreezingCold> IIRC they asked us Canadians to test it in our arctic, and we told you guys to fuck off
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:53:57 < FreezingCold> ICBMs are a bit more controlled
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:53:57 < JFK911> funny that coldwar stuff bothered canada enough that they paid as much as they did to help
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:54:00 < FreezingCold> less thinsg to go wrong
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:54:12 < FreezingCold> JFK911: you know what, we get away with a lot of stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:54:27 < FreezingCold> we happily helped the USA nuke the shit out of japan
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:54:37 < FreezingCold> we were pricks in WW2
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:55:07 < JFK911> im thinking about all the costly military activity in the far north
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:55:25 < JFK911> usa didnt contribute much to that except orders
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:56:34 < JFK911> i don't know what "could have happened" but now we know the last decades of it were to defend against fantasies that could have never played out
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:57:02 < FreezingCold> Is there any decent amount of nuclear material in space that we could use?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:57:18 < FreezingCold> like uranium or something
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:57:52 < JFK911> like within our reach, on the moon, in meteors or extragalactic items?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:58:40 < FreezingCold> within our reach
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T06:58:50 < FreezingCold> so yeah moon, mars, meteors, etc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:59:23 < JFK911> as for uranium if there was enough of it here once that resulted in plutonium being recovered from african mine
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T06:59:33 < JFK911> this could happen on any other piece of rock couldn't it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T08:49:16 < corecode_> not the source resistance
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T08:49:18 < corecode_> but the leakage
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T08:50:26 < ohsix> dunno typical values of that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T08:52:43 < corecode_> ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T08:52:47 < corecode_> IanWizard-Cloud: we don't know
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T14:12:03  * Miyu huggles Flea86 :3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T14:20:03 < madist> doesn't Osama bin Laden's niece live in Minneapolis ? you should ask her.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:13:23  * intranick tosses more charged capacitors at Miyu 
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:13:43  * Miyu eats them all
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:13:44 < intranick> its like giving a dog a bone~
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:13:48 < Miyu> :3
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:13:58  * intranick hugs Miyu 
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T15:14:21 < anonnumberanon> Learn a dog to hunt and it will get boned forever.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:26:49 < zap0> arnie will scream...  GET TO DA CHHOOPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:38:51 < vetch> tex83: nothing really much to an arduino besides the micro and a few power bits and pieces. they're already dirt cheap though if you need something ready to go
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:39:21 < evilbetty> its about time they add pl2303 to operating system
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:39:40 < tex83> Vetch I've heard that and I'm trying to get those pieces. I'm gonna need a programmable IC, an adapter to program it with, and then all the stuff I've already been working with - breadboard, components, etc.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:40:31 < tex83> atmel or avr
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:41:02 < vetch> tex83: then yeah, if you're working with breadboard one of the prolific USB TTL things would work perfectly
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T16:41:13 < tex83> thanks vetch
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T19:53:43 < Mr_Sheesh> When do we NOT need to know more :) My project for today is to figure out how to do this dang LED driver for a personal project, thing's a lil monster
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T19:53:58 < evilbetty> 60mA leds?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T19:54:29 < Casper> my next led project is like a 10A per channel led driver   :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T19:54:47 < evilbetty> how many watt is thazt
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:19:32 < Norm> worst pedophiels are in the ruling bodies
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:19:43 < Norm> teletubbies at least don't have other vices
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:20:02 < Norm> purple one looked drunk though
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:20:13 < evilbetty> its wellknown that people who make websites to publicly announce pedos are generally pedos themselves
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:20:49 < Norm> i know a guy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T20:57:31 < evilbetty> its just that when i think of a hifi headphone amp i think of those amps with funny complicated powersupplies that keep the output impedance steady etc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T21:00:23 < evilbetty> anyway i go take that nap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:21:34 < hjf> the input is capacitively coupled, but the output isn;t
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:21:56 < bobo1on1> feedback is though, so at DC it has unity gain
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:22:35 < hjf> wont i even get a couple mV DC?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:22:37 < Devilholk> As long as it doesn't produce any DC component..
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:22:40 < FreezingCold> lol oops
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:22:44 < FreezingCold> I left my laptop on in my bag
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:22:53 < Devilholk> I bet that laptop is not FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:22:54 < FreezingCold> the cpu is only 57C, but the laptop feels soft
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:22:54 < bobo1on1> it will get a few mv dc offset
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:22:56 < FreezingCold> like warm soft
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:22:58 < bobo1on1> check the opamp's datasheet
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:23:05 < hjf> bobo1on1: does that matter?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:23:37 < vetch> FreezingCold: warm soft?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:23:38 < bobo1on1> but I don't think a few mv will make a difference
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:27:10 < vetch> woah yes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:27:28 < vetch> Polesch: bad idea, even if the cells are protected.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:28:11 < chris_99> LeelooMinai, pftt you can have real threads ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:28:11 < bobo1on1> Polesch: probably woudn't even charge
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:28:18 < bobo1on1> depending on the charger
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:42:13 < hjf> and replace the resistors on LM317/337
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:42:22 < apo> Hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:42:58 < bobo1on1> oh, for FreezingAlt
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:43:31 < bobo1on1> ugh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:43:44 < Norm> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:45:38 < Norm> they chase sun's movements like the sunflower
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:45:46 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: 10k on one side and 2k on the gnd side?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:46:16 < bobo1on1> that makes 4 volts
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:46:20 < Norm> mega switches are top-of-the-line prolly
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:46:43 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: should be good for TTL, and that way I can handle spikes right
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:46:44 < FreezingCold> ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:46:45 < smeding> well, i never said it was gonna be super cheap
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:46:47 < bobo1on1> true
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:47:15 < smeding> although don't motherboard CPU supplies switch at $fast? reckon that's a big market
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:47:50 < bobo1on1> remember switching losses go up a bit
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:48:35 < Norm> that's why PSu design is still an advanced subject
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:48:42 < bobo1on1> oh, indeed
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:48:44 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: will I have too much current going through it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:48:56 < bobo1on1> FreezingCold: no
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:49:04 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:49:07 < FreezingCold> it won't overheat?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:49:10 < bobo1on1> it will not
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T22:50:35 < FreezingCold> ah yeah I only have 1 mA dropping on R1
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T22:51:11 < Polesch> I have this electronic hair cutter, it uses two 1.2V 650 mAh batteries, which are now dead. Both a NiMH. Could I replace them with two of 950 mAh each instead? Could the charging circuit be so stupid?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:24:25 < phorce> I know they support Linux, I have no idea what I'm doing after that.. I've written a simple helloworld.c and compiled it using GCC, it compiles but how do I push it to the board? :(
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:24:52 < FreezingCold> phorce: openocd
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:25:22 < phorce> what is this?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:25:52 < JFK911> Polesch: good job
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:31:00 < phorce> kk so i can just upload a hello world for now?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:31:29 < LeelooMinai> You can upload whatever you want
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:31:31 < FreezingCold> So this chip has a 16MHz internal osc, if I set the PLL to 4x, I get 64MHz?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:31:46 < LeelooMinai> Yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:31:58 < LeelooMinai> If it wwas divider, you would get 4MHz
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:32:05 < LeelooMinai> Though PLL can divide too
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:32:21 < LeelooMinai> IN most cases at least
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:33:22 < FreezingCold> main.c:20: warning: (751) arithmetic overflow in constant expression
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:33:23 < FreezingCold> =/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:33:53 < LeelooMinai> You may have constant bigger than target variable
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:34:13 < LeelooMinai> Say trying to stuff 246 into 8 bits:)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:35:42 < Polesch> I just have a no return policy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:36:25 < JFK911> ebay charges me less fees if i allow returns
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:36:38 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: yeah I was trying to jam it into a cahr
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:36:40 < FreezingCold> *char
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:36:47 < Polesch> I have no idea what the % they take
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:36:55 < JFK911> wont a *char be 16 or 32 bits
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:44:57 < LeelooMinai> But setVoltage clearly mutates it, so fail
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:45:12 < LeelooMinai> to a constant class/stucture that is*
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:46:11 < FreezingCold> very stupid question, can RS232 transit and receive at the same time?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:46:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: sure why not
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:46:23 < JFK911> its full duplex
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:46:30 < LeelooMinai> TX RX lines say yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:46:45 < JFK911> i think he still learns how uart works
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:46:49 < FreezingCold> I feel like most libraries won't let me do two things at once though
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:46:56 < JFK911> well uart has tx and rx buffers
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:47:02 < ketas> FreezingCold: that's another issue
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:47:18 < LeelooMinai> If they are Arduino libraries - that's probabl normal:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:47:25 < JFK911> the tx and rx buffers can be filled emptied at the same time.
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:47:28 < JFK911> no problem here
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:47:33 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: PIC
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:47:52 < JFK911> FreezingCold: think what is the first step to receive a character
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:47:55 < LeelooMinai> Is that a PIC with stack at least? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:48:02 < JFK911> FreezingCold: should be check "IS RX BUFFER EMPTY" register
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:48:13 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Yeah I think so
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:48:34  * LeelooMinai hears the PIC shouting with sad face "I have a stack! It's just... one level."
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:48:56 < JFK911> so you cant nest subroutine calls?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:49:19 < LeelooMinai> You can use gotos:p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:49:39 < LeelooMinai> One big main with gotos ftw
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:49:40 < JFK911> interesting wasnt freezingcold checking out every core ever made?  and then he chose this one?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:50:26 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I didn't choose this one, I just happen to have it in my room :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:50:46 < LeelooMinai> A cat dragged it in one winter
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:51:06 < ketas> a pic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:51:17 < JFK911> 'this is disgusting, you eat it'
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:51:36 < ketas> cats drag pic's in?
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:51:41 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Well, you know, even if I had 1000 of those under the sink, I would still just buy something normal...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:51:58 < JFK911> FreezingCold: buy a tiva connected launchpad
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:52:00 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Unless you don't value your time and effort
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2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:52:09 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: it's less about buying and more about that I need it for tomorrow
2014-04.log:2014-04-14T23:52:26 < FreezingCold> stupid IO box is busted for a few robots and I need to make a final project =/
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:52:31 < Norm> i recently thought about what i should measure my effort with
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:52:36 < Norm> money?
2014-04.log-2014-04-14T23:52:39 < Norm> friends?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T00:59:53 < vetch> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro3Fc_yG3p0
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T00:59:56 < vetch> oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T01:00:39 < jakex_> paternoster video?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T01:00:42 < vetch> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T01:00:50 < jakex_> no thanks :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:09 < password2> people with too much money , if you ask me
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:10 < blockh34d> kevr: maybe i should try out arch but i dont think thats going to help me with my rpi beefs
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:26 < Oldmanbeefjerky> should i hook up something which takes 75W
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:33 < IanWizard-Cloud> jpa-: I'll try hooking it up to some batts directly tomorrow.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:34 < kevr> probably not
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T09:55:38 < kevr> i do _everything_ on command line
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:32:48 < FreezingCold> password2: MOSFET
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:33:01 < FreezingCold> look for something noninverting
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:33:12 < password2> can i be done with a bjt
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:33:58 < FreezingCold> No, not from what JFK911 was telling me yesterday
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:34:02 < FreezingCold> I was asking the same thing
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:34:10 < FreezingCold> I was trying to easily get 24V from 5V
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:35:02 < FreezingCold> password2: I'm just gonna do a relay
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:35:10 < password2> ah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:38:39 < password2> bah , i dont want to wire in a second op amp
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:38:50 < gkwhc> is it possible to make a capacitive sensing electrode from anodized aluminum? ive been reading quite a bit and looking up circuit, but most designs dont seem to work with a thin layer of insulation?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:39:58 < FreezingCold> password2: I feel your pain
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:40:51 < password2> lets see what else i have
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:41:01 < evilbetty> so its an opamp
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:44:01 < sabotender> moo
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:44:06 < sabotender> greetings evilbetty
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:44:23 < sabotender> FreezingCold: what are you trying to do now?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:45:36 < password2> why do i have so many bjts and no mosfets
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:45:39 < FreezingCold> sabotender: nothing really
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:46:35 < evilbetty> morning
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:51:14 < password2> sigh
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:51:21 < password2> stop trolling
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:52:37 < password2> mmm , i may need an inverting output after all
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:53:37 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: it i
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T11:53:39 < FreezingCold> *it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:53:44 < password2> opamp goes high is +>- ; correct?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:53:53 < password2> *if
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:54:18 < password2> mmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:58:29 < sabotender> use the trusty ol 2222 :-P
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:58:41 < password2> i need >5v to trigger the power mosfet
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:58:52 < password2> sabotender, how?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:59:06 < password2> show me a circuit that will do it then
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T11:59:15 < evilbetty> logic fet ? :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T13:09:28 < password2> mmm , i dont think here is any
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T13:10:26 < password2> ah i see
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:08:26 < MasterAccurate> I like to have a blue spot with sun over my head all year ;D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:08:40 < evilbetty> i hate sun
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:08:46 < MasterAccurate> :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:08:49 < MasterAccurate> why?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:25 < evilbetty> thats my twitter name if i remember well
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:31 < CoolBeer> qubits: Actually quite warm today, around 3C or so.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:31 < evilbetty> never postted anything on it tho
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:42 < MasterAccurate> warm? OMG
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:49 < evilbetty> here its 14 or so
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:23:53 < evilbetty> last week it was 23+
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:29:30 < guanche> I had a hard time while living on england, just couldn't stand it
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:29:38 < guanche> ah, there you did
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:29:56 < CoolBeer> And even though it's snow everywhere, it's quite dry.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:30:06 < MasterAccurate> hah it is getting warm now, have forgot to take the methadone
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:49:50 < iWalrus> evilbetty y u no do it with transistor logic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:49:51 < iWalrus> LOL
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:50:14 < evilbetty> because i dont do transistors
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:50:24 < evilbetty> i only do passive components
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T14:50:26 < smeding> SpeedEvil: certainly something rough with a few bands
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:31:40 < Naikrovek> gav0: looks like it has thermal current protection only which is switching according to the graph
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:31:44 < blockh34d> yeah especially for desoldering
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:31:46 < gav0> Naikrovek, for me it is not clear what happens after 2.4A is exceeded? will it turn off? will it pulse? will it decrease voltage?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:32:01 < blockh34d> also i tend to run my iron pretty hot for desoldering
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:32:02 < Naikrovek> it'll pulse due to over heating, looks like
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T19:32:04 < blockh34d> so double burn
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:25:42 < evilbetty> http://www.snapily.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/viewmaster.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:25:56 < hoverboard> kludge, what about 8K through fiber optics to my 8K tv
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:26:00 < evilbetty> as a kid this was all we needed to get updated with the latest stories
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:26:13 < password2> 2K film to TB seems already compressed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:35:40 < smeding> the 2000s called, they want their complaints back
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:35:46 < blockh34d> 'accidentally'
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:35:51 < password2> who the hell whatches mtv
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:35:54 < FreezingCold> me
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:35:57 < FreezingCold> hahaha no
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:35:58 < FreezingCold> kidding
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:35:58 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:05 < smeding> people obviously do
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:09 < smeding> or it wouldn't be a thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:36:09 < FreezingCold> lol no
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:14 < blockh34d> i really wonder
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:21 < evilbetty> teenagers and other scum
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:22 < blockh34d> maybe its like how apple sales are self inflated
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:36:34 < FreezingCold> Apple is so lawlable
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:34 < blockh34d> like they pay people to buy the crap so there's shortages etc
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:36:41 < FreezingCold> you know what
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:48 < evilbetty> i need a smoke
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:36:48 < blockh34d> maybe no one anywhere really watchs mtv anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:36:49 < FreezingCold> I wonder how much it would cost to start a new Apple
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:10 < blockh34d> however much a good PR firm costs i guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:13 < evilbetty> i have 3 smokes left for the eveningh
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:15 < blockh34d> plus some crappy hardware
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:18 < evilbetty> thats not too much
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:37:21 < FreezingCold> I bet with $200,000 I could spend half on buying the rights to an Android device, and the other half to celebrities
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:27 < password2> urg , new Apple
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:37:27 < FreezingCold> but don't call it android
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:37:35 < FreezingCold> call it "Cadroid"
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:37:40 < FreezingCold> or some bullshit
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:51 < evilbetty> start all your products with "me"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:37:54 < blockh34d> try 9 tenths to marketting, 1 tenth to corporate ceo then base everything you normally pay people for on open source, H1NB's and interns
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:38:08 < evilbetty> do you want to see my new meDongle?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:38:09 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: I always read N1NB as H1N1
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:38:16 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: meTouchie
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:38:26 < evilbetty> meNoCare
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:38:30 < blockh34d> dont forget to have all the manufacturing done by child slaves risking their life
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:39:08 < password2> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:39:14 < evilbetty> "for 30euro/month we do effort finding excuses to refuse your warrenty claim twice as fast"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:39:36 < blockh34d> evilbetty: lol engrish at its finest
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:39:47 < FreezingCold> Paris Hilton costs what, $100,000?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:39:51 < blockh34d> 'FU stupid westerner!'
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:40:03 < evilbetty> pofft i'm allowed to speak engrish i know at least 5 other languages
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:40:28 < blockh34d> very well, carry on
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:40:35 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: people jerk off to Apple's logo?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:40:46 < evilbetty> italian, bulgarian, russian dutch and french
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:41:20 < evilbetty> voyeur82
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:41:34 < FreezingCold> Why?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:41:35 < blockh34d> FreezingCold: yes i'm pretty sure they do
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:41:43 < blockh34d> FreezingCold: i keep meaning to make a youtube video of that
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:41:43 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: are you speaking from experience?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:41:52 < Voyager82> Hello, I'm trying to find a model to derive the inverse recovery time of a diode. Do you have any suggestion?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:03 < evilbetty> look with your eyes, not with your hands!
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:42:05 < blockh34d> FreezingCold: no i dont even like being around apple products much less the idiots that use them
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:05 < SpeedEvil> Derive?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:10 < SpeedEvil> Read the datasheet
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:42:23 < FreezingCold> blockh34d: but you love the dirty thought of it...
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:31 < evilbetty> sie ist ein model und sie sieht gut aus
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:40 < blockh34d> but i do think thats a funny video waiting to happen... just a picture of a ipod wih the logo facing the camera and a slapping sound getting faster in the background
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:42:53 < blockh34d> then squirt some mayonaisse at it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:56:25 < evilbetty> is it love that you want? or is it food
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:56:30 < evilbetty> tell me everything about your current mood
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:56:37 < evilbetty> now thats what i call frestyling
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:56:48 < FreezingCold> I fucking hate dogs
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:56:53 < password2> :/
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:56:58 < FreezingCold> my dog won't shut the hell up
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:00 < evilbetty> i bet dogs hate you too :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:05 < JFK911> yeah ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:57:10 < FreezingCold> probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:12 < evilbetty> dont blame the dog
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:15 < evilbetty> blame its education
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:17 < JFK911> hes a dog, how you expect him to act?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:20 < password2> I hate fucking dogs
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:57:21 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: it fucking won't shut up
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:42 < evilbetty> because you never did the effort bearting the crap out of it just at the moment it was barking
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:57:43 < JFK911> what it wants?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:57:49 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: it's not my dog, it's the "family
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:57:55 < FreezingCold> "family's"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:00 < evilbetty> great
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:03 < evilbetty> one of those
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:58:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's annoyed that other people are the in house
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:58:05 < FreezingCold> I shit you not
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:58:13 < FreezingCold> it won't fucking shut up because there's guests over
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:15 < JFK911> he don't know these people?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:19 < evilbetty> i have a neighbour dog like that
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:29 < evilbetty> when it barks the woman starts yelling at it making even more noise
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:35 < evilbetty> and all i have to do is open the window
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:37 < evilbetty> look at it
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:41 < evilbetty> and it already runs inside
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:58:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: No. One or two barks is fine, but this FUCKING THING WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:58:54 < password2> oh so since you are sharing the resposibility you take the part of being judgmental?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:59:00 < FreezingCold> honestly I can't wait until it dies
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:03 < evilbetty> if it didnt hear me opening i window i just have to do "ahum" :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:59:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: yeah, can't you introduce the dog to the "strangers"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:20 < evilbetty> i yelled at the dog once, and now all i need to do is look at it to make it shut up
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:59:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: maybe it will relax
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:59:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: even if I do it still barks
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T21:59:32 < password2> FreezingCold,
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:36 < password2> goto the dog
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:40 < password2> act relaxed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:50 < password2> and stare it right in the eyes for 5 minutes
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T21:59:55 < password2> until it lays down
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:01 < JFK911> or bites your face off
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:00:01 < FreezingCold> I do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:01 < evilbetty> hehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:06 < password2> it will stop barking then
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:09 < password2> i once did it
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:00:11 < FreezingCold> password2: as soon as I leave the room, it will bark again
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:15 < evilbetty> i was just gonna say who's gonna try that with my rottweiler ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:00:18 < FreezingCold> I've had it for 7 fucking years
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:26 < password2> dont go into the yard
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:28 < JFK911> so the dog is locked in some room alone?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:00:37 < evilbetty> but it wont bite you unless you look at it really arrogantly :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:00:42 < password2> FreezingCold, its not seeing you as a leader
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:07 < FreezingCold> password2: I'm not the oldest male in the house, so probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:12 < password2> and its not equipped to be one
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:12 < password2> exactly why i said relaxed
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:16 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:24 < password2> FreezingCold, dogs don't work on eldest
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:29 < evilbetty> you need to watch more cesar milan :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:29 < smeding> eh, you don't need to be the oldest male, dog's not gonna understand age in humans
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:36 < smeding> cesar millan is pretty good
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:36 < FreezingCold> Why the hell do we have pets anyway?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:39 < password2> they work on who is the leader now
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:40 < FreezingCold> this thing does literally NOTHING good
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:47 < JFK911> you think the dog is a pest, until you square up and get a better attitude the dog will refuse to respect you
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:47 < evilbetty> when i was still living at home i have always been boss of the dopgs
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:51 < evilbetty> even when i was 12yo
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:52 < smeding> FreezingCold: i dunno why you do, i like having a dog and a cat around
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:55 < FreezingCold> Why?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:01:58 < FreezingCold> They provide nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:01:58 < evilbetty> because my dad is the spoiler
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:03 < smeding> companionship
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:05 < evilbetty> the dogs dont respect him they just use him to beg
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:10 < JFK911> maybe you're not interested in what dogs are for
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:11 < smeding> evilbetty: haha i recognise that
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:02:13 < FreezingCold> smeding: just go to a bar, at least you can fuck something there
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:02:28 < smeding> FreezingCold: why can't i do both
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:31 < password2> pets are pointers to personality
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:42 < JFK911> but yeah if that was your kid he'd surely grow up to be a criminal
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:50 < password2> i refuse to be friends with anyone who don't like animals
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:51 < evilbetty> my dog came from shelter at 5yo tho, so i'm not too sure who's personality it reflects:p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:02:58 < evilbetty> does that include cats
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:02:59 < FreezingCold> password2: lol, why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:01 < evilbetty> i dont like cats
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:21 < password2> evilbetty, that does not surprise me
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:23 < FreezingCold> I don't like pets because they're pointless
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:26 < password2> cats is optional
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:28 < smeding> FreezingCold: everything's pointless
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:33 < FreezingCold> companionship is BS
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:38 < smeding> everything's BS :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:44 < FreezingCold> get a roommate or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:45 < evilbetty> why doesn't that surprise you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:46 < ketas> FreezingCold is so cold!
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:03:47 < password2> FreezingCold, there is only one goal in life
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:47 < joga> some animals are extremely useful
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:03:54 < evilbetty> roommates talk
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:04:03 < FreezingCold> roommates are just as annoying as some pets, except they actually pay rent sometimes
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:05 < joga> the dog can guard your house better than your roommate, or herd sheep
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:04:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: roomates arent meant to fill your life voids, thats a different sort of relationship
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:10 < password2> evilbetty, because you said you are leader of your dog
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:12 < evilbetty> just as?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:13 < joga> you can hunt with a motherfucking eagle
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:17  * kludge nods.  Hamsters are very popular in the over-unity power systems, for instance.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:17 < evilbetty> ah lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:24 < ketas> hahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:04:28 < FreezingCold> lol kludge
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:28 < password2> with a cat you need to accept the reverse
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:04:30 < smeding> FreezingCold: anyway we don't have to agree, but it's silly to say someone is wrong on something so subjective
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:46 < evilbetty> and i refuse that :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:04:47 < ketas> FreezingCold: do you have gf
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:52 < password2> a dog person will do good in leader postion
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:04:54 < evilbetty> i paid this house i'm the boss here :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:05 < evilbetty> well paid
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:05:05 < FreezingCold> smeding: Yeah I know, I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, I'm just venting because I'm annoyed by the noise
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:05:08 < smeding> FreezingCold: there's no need to project your experience on the outside world and pretend it conforms to it
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:10 < evilbetty> i still am for the next 25 yuears
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:05:11 < FreezingCold> ketas: na, maybe next week once finals are over
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:05:17 < smeding> FreezingCold: fair enough
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:22 < smeding> our dog can be really annoying
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:29 < evilbetty> mine not :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:31 < password2> a cat person would do good in teams
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:33 < smeding> but i mostly got that ironed out... slowly
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:34 < ketas> i once had cat
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:05:39 < FreezingCold> it's a german sheperd too, so it actually hurts your ears it's so loud
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:39 < ketas> i had gf too
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:47 < evilbetty> he doesn't beg, he doesn't bark or make noise, i wouldnt know anything annoying to say about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:05:48 < smeding> password2: that sounds like made up popular psychology nonsense
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:07:09 < ketas> FreezingCold: what kind of noise you have?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:07:09 < The_Coolest> uber useless
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:07:16 < smeding> password2: and presumably, you want us to believe you
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:07:49 < smeding> yeah i mean this is enough data for me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:07:53 < ketas> The_Coolest: if you get like 32gb... it would cache everything and so it's all fast
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:07:53 < FreezingCold> JFK911: meh, I like humans sometimes
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:07:56 < smeding> so you don't have to provide any more :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:01 < evilbetty> it took quite long today before someone got offended and the whole athmosphere was gone
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:03 < FreezingCold> ketas: what do you mean what kind of noise do I have...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:11 < password2> good:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:16 < JFK911> FreezingCold: probably you should see if you can take care of a plant
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:17 < evilbetty> i'm glad its not me today
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:26 < The_Coolest> CoolBeer 1. get a digipot with 256 steps 2. have 4 gain settings 3. have 64 volume steps 4. have a fixed gain on the opamp, say x12. 5. each gain setting is a multiplier. so when you change the volume in x4 gain each step in volume is 4 steps on the digipot, x2 gain will be 2 steps (so you can never reach a too high  signal level at low gain)
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:26 < ketas> FreezingCold: you said you have some noise?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:26 < ohsix> woah implying a dog person would be a good leader shits on humans pretty good
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:27 < FreezingCold> JFK911: na, I've tried once or twice. They die
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:36 < password2> so can you reverse extrapolate to what kind of animal i love?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:41 < The_Coolest> ketas>> Yeah my main drive is SSD in all of my systems
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:43 < JFK911> FreezingCold: okay, you have some growing to do.  when you can do this you will be a much bigger person.
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:08:44 < FreezingCold> ketas: oh, the noise of the dog barking
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:51 -!- crey is now known as creyc2
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:51 < evilbetty> like i told my colleagues toiday
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:08:59 < evilbetty> "if i was boss here there would be non of you left"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:01 < The_Coolest> ketas>> I loaded a virtual machine which sits on a HDD, it's slow as crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:03 < evilbetty> they laughed
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:09:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the plant does nothing for me since I'm not doing it large enough of a scale to sell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:06 < evilbetty> but i wasn't joking
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:09:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: maybe you can grow one that you can eat, like peppers
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:09:25 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'd rather buy peppers
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:30 < ohsix> people who eat peppers would be good leaders
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:33 < JFK911> it's not about profits
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:39 < password2> actually , if i may revise , someone who have a small breed dog
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:52 < password2> one of those useless ones
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:09:54 < JFK911> being capable of caring for something
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:10:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Myself?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:03 < evilbetty> and people who can fit peppers up their butts
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:11 < evilbetty> they would make good priests :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:10:11 < FreezingCold> I'm nice to others
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:10:20 < FreezingCold> but I'm not going to lie and say I don't come first
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:21 < password2> yes , if you just gonna kick a thing because you are more capable
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:21 < JFK911> im not sure you can care for yourself if you dont know how to love, but thats only an opinion
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:33 < The_Coolest> CoolBeer>> thoughts?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:10:43 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: that >> is very annoying -.-
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:10:49 < evilbetty> i rarely do loving, and i am still alive
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:03 < password2> the thing about pets and humans is that we are not robots
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:19 < JFK911> you should be first ofcourse thats what ayn rand said
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:27 < password2> other than happiness to do anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:28 < ohsix> dogs like doing things
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:11:32 < FreezingCold> JFK911: ayn rand?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:36 < evilbetty> wir laden unsere batterie
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:11:46 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold>> ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:46 < JFK911> ayn rand is one of those geniuses who wrote books
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:11:47 < FreezingCold> password2: we do need logical reasoning
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:52 < password2> yeah dogs hump to show supremacy
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:11:59 < kludge> Well, I wouldn't call her a genius, but she wrote books.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:00 < JFK911> you could also read solzhenitsyn
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:00 < evilbetty> do you have to be a genius to write books?
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:12:02 < password2> FreezingCold, humans are ilogical
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:05 < ohsix> some peoples' idea of respect involves a fist, and they do respond to that too
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:08 < SpeedEvil> ohsix: respect is one thing dogs and humans probably share.
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:12:11 < FreezingCold> password2: debatable
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:13 < JFK911> evilbetty: but to keep them in print
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:15 < password2> you can't derive love
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:17 < SpeedEvil> ohsix: Along with many of the base emotions.
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:12:21 < ketas> FreezingCold is so logical
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:12:23 < FreezingCold> password2: those who like pets are illogical ;)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:30 < hjf> for this circuit, if i reduce the supply from 15V to 9V, i have to lower the bias resistors, right? http://sound.westhost.com/p113-f1.gif
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:12:32 < kludge> evilbetty: No, even Dick Cheney managed it.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:12 < ohsix> SpeedEvil: anthropomorphising things should be done very carefully if ever
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:21 < evilbetty> pets are fine, what is not fine is using a pet as a substitute kid like a psycho
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:23 < ketas> cats are useful sometimes
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:13:31 < password2> ok FreezingCold why do people sleep?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:40 < password2> tell me the logic behind that
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:45 < JFK911> so yeah if you cant have respect for a plant or a pet or a family whats going to happen when you go into uni or go work in an enterprise
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:50 < ketas> however pets need too much care
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:51 < evilbetty> what disgusts me is people not threating chiuauauhauhas as actual dogs
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2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:13:53 < FreezingCold> password2: that's biological
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:13:55 < CoolBeer> The_Coolest: Sounds very complex for something somewhat simple, but I suppose overengineering something isn't always a bad thing(heck, I do that all the time).
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:13:56 < FreezingCold> password2: not our fault
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:08 < kludge> Here, this explains everything: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6koYTp1azs
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:13 < evilbetty> those tiny handbag dogs also need walking and running, and more than 5 meters a day
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:16 < ketas> evilbetty: those small dogs with blue tongue?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:22 < evilbetty> but the paris hiltons of this world dont realise that
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:14:23 < password2> FreezingCold, the only reason so far is that we get sleepy
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:27 < evilbetty> they use it as mode accesories
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:30 < R0b0t1> password2: Conserve energy
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:14:39 < password2> FreezingCold, so and , you brain is not biological?
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:44 < The_Coolest> CoolBeer it's not very comlicated, it's just software
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:14:51 < evilbetty> any small dogs carried around by celebritysluts or old grannies
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:13 < drazak> I had swine and unborn chicken for breakfast
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:15 < ohsix> SpeedEvil: it's not too strange for someone to interpret something in terms of their own experience though
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:17 < CoolBeer> The_Coolest: Well, compared to just a volume pot it is, but that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I'd say it'll most likely work.
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:17:34 < FreezingCold> anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T22:17:40 < FreezingCold> let's go back to ##electronics
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:47 < password2> fat is humans are not built on logic
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:50 < evilbetty> i need a flying buddy :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T22:17:52 < password2> ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:44:00 < Ziggy9263> Servers. I'm on a VNC server right now, connected to several other IRC servers.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:44:17 < kludge> Ziggy9263: if they're all on freenode, they should all be the same.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:44:32 < CoolBeer> In other news, Norwegian newspaper was out asking people why we celebrate easter, one of the common answers was apparently "Because that's when Jesus was born."
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T23:44:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Haha the other day i found a youtube video of this parrot which said things like "you stupid fkn bird" "dont you fkn bite me" "jesus christ dont poop there" "imma kill you"
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:44:35 < Ziggy9263> They aren't.
2014-04.log:2014-04-15T23:44:55 < FreezingCold> JFK911: sounds like me if I had a bird lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:44:57 < kludge> Ziggy9263: then you mean other networks.  For the most part, that is the case on freenode although some channels may be different.
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:45:01 < evilbetty> vnc woop
2014-04.log-2014-04-15T23:45:21 < kludge> Okay, I have to go hide from the safety walkthrough.  Back later.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T01:54:56 < Hyratel1> by excluding atmel, you exclude arduino
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T01:55:03 < smeding> even if he wasn't super clear about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T01:55:07 < evilbetty> those resistors dont need to have long legs, they work equally well with shortened legs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T01:55:11 < smeding> which, honestly, i got what he meant
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T01:55:16 < Hyratel1> (MCUs (atmel MCUs (arduino ) ) )
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T12:21:48 < intranick> i was going to say
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T12:25:08 < intranick> anyway Polesch .. there are plenty of options on ebay of cheap solar panels that can produce 5v at .. random mah values
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T12:25:11 < intranick> that would charge your phone
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T13:24:59 < metacollin> Yeah.  Though, the light from this is beautiful, some of the most attractive ‘warm-white’ incandescenty looking light ever.  I have some Philips LED bulbs in my house, and the light quality is a match, at least to my eyes, which is totally subjective.  Though, I have noticed that the specific color temp listed has a wide margin, like +/- 200K
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T13:25:07 < cheater> with the super expensive displays being the same technology as the super cheap ones.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T13:25:15 < cheater> they're just at different stages of evolution.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T13:30:16 < metacollin> Heh, the voltage drop of these LEDs are like 32+V, and it will decrease by *several volts* when they heat up just 20 degrees C.  Anyone with sense would only drive a high power LED like these with constant current, but man, anyone who doesn’t (and I am sure people don’t) is in for a really nasty thermal runaway haha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:22:24 < vegetablesalad19> slee, I guess they are called just FLs
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:22:40 < metacollin> He is just looking at a floursecent light
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:22:49 < metacollin> one of the big tube ones like in offices
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:23:02 < slee> yuk
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:23:04 < metacollin> I dunno if there is an acronym for them haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:23:14 < slee> shite
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:29:20 < SpeedEvil> Do not buy on price
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:29:28 < SpeedEvil> But on lumens per wwtt
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:29:31 < metacollin> No no no I was never saying all in one bulbs
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:30:18 < FreezingCold> So this box in front of me has two ports labeled RS232
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:30:29 < FreezingCold> what are the chances it's TTL or +-15?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:30:54 < metacollin> I was saying they make the sockets, like, the long flat things that hang from the cealing that you put the flourescent tubes in, with a ballast and starter that are included at fit hidden away somewhere in the larger, uh, bracket thing.  They are still replaceable and have the standard wire codes etc.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:31:08 < metacollin> Is that what you meant?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:31:14 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Would you consider giving more details, for example, what type of box it is, manufacturer, or etc?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:31:28 < p0g0> FreezingCold: are they regular 9|25 pin ports?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:31:29 < FreezingCold> hagbard: no model number on the box
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:31:34 < FreezingCold> p0g0: nope, screw terminals
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:31:40 < FreezingCold> it's a control box for a "SMART MARQUEE"
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:32:00 < p0g0> I'll guess they are not TTL
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:32:09 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Otherwise, I'd say, if it's RS-232E compliant, then it's going to be between 5 and 15 for a 0 and between -15 and -5 for a 1.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:32:37 < FreezingCold> p0g0: so regular RS232 it is?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:32:48 < metacollin> But yes, buy on lumens per watt, within reason.  There can be times the lumens per watt well cost less in electricity over the life time of the bulb than the actual bulb, in which case it’s not a good buy.  I don’t think that ever happens with flourescents but does with certain lights if you aren’t careful
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:33:34 < p0g0> a guess, mostly as you appear too have a controller that sits more then a few inches from the thing it communicates with-not a hard and fast rule, just a guess...
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:33:37 < metacollin> RS232 is never TTL
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:33:48 < cheater> FreezingCold: you could try some voltages and see when things start conducting.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:33:48 < FreezingCold> metacollin: ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:33:50 < vegetablesalad19> metacollin, thank you for your help and time. This is by far my favorite irc channel
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:33:53 < p0g0> true rs232 is never TTL
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:33:56 < hagbard> metacollin: Yeah, but, people aren't always correct when they label / identify things. :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:24 < jacekowski> metacollin: acceptable 232 voltages are close to acceptable ttl voltages
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:29 < SpeedEvil> TTL level rs232 is quite common
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:31 < metacollin> I mean, I have never seen anything labeled RS232 be something that put out or accepted TTL voltages.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:34:41 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: okay good, I thought so
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:50 < SpeedEvil> Very common in embedded atuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:55 < hagbard> RS232 defines the voltages, so, TTL level rs232 isn't rs232 at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:34:55 < SpeedEvil> Stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:35:13 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I did a google search on smart marquee control devices
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:35:20 < SpeedEvil> hagbard: that's in practice, not how it's used
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:35:37 < cheater> SpeedEvil: in "theory"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:36:00 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Not knowing the specific model, I'm not absolutely positive, but given that these devices can be equipped with RS422 to RS232 converters, I'd safely bet it's regular rs232.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:36:17 < FreezingCold> hagbard: I have both RS422 and RS232 outputs laballed
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:36:17 < metacollin> There is no such thing as RS232 at TTL level.  There is the same protocol being sent over TTL, but that isn’t RS232.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:36:24 < hagbard> SpeedEvil: Yeah, I know. Generally they're omitting the line transceiver
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:36:25 < FreezingCold> metacollin: correct
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:36:35 < p0g0> TTL stuff is very common, runs with all the right signal rates and protocols, but usually is titled TTL level com or the like.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:36:49 < hagbard> metacollin: I concur. But, people are sometimes stupid about how they label things. :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:37:08 < metacollin> BUT, I mean, do you have a meter? Just see what voltages the lil bastard is using =)
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:37:28 < FreezingCold> damn it I need a screwdriver
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:37:33 < SpeedEvil> Never assume rs232 on embedded is not 1.8v/3.3v/5v without checking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:37:57 < p0g0> yeah the TTL level stuff is easy to kill
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:38:03 < SpeedEvil> Or that you can just connect it to a pc without level conversion.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:04 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: yeah I'm going to check it out on my scope
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:33 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Do you have the actual marquee too?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:40 < FreezingCold> hagbard: yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:45 < FreezingCold> hanging on the wall here
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:56 < FreezingCold> it's not mine per se....
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:38:59 < FreezingCold> but....
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:39:01 < FreezingCold> close enough
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:39:25 < theorbtwo> IMHO, also never use "ttl" as a label.  "3.3v serial" is better then "ttl serial" is better then "rs232".
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:39:41 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I'd expect it to be 9600 baud
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:39:49 < hagbard> From the manuals I've been reading.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:39:56 < FreezingCold> hagbard: Linky link link please? :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:40:08 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I don't think it's the manual for what you have.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:40:20 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Could you flip the box over and read the model number?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:40:34 < p0g0> FreezingCold: we have a hacker in this state that has figured out how to tweak the highway marquee's..."Warning: Zombies Ahead" made the local papers.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:40:56 < FreezingCold> hagbard: I didn't see any oddly enough, lemme check again
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:41:22 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Manufacturer label? Ulticor? GE?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:41:32 < FreezingCold> ah ha!
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:41:33 < FreezingCold> SM1000SMC-C
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:41:34 < slee> p0g0: those are SMS-controlled, no?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:41:40 < slee> they are here
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:41:51 < slee> and SMS is so very spoof-able...
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:41:55 < slee> lol.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:42:29 < hagbard> FreezingCold: http://stevenengineering.com/tech_support/PDFs/18TCPMQM.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:42:32 < p0g0> slee: I don't know, but that would seem likely enough.  I'll guess that they have several control interfaces, going back to line terminals.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:42:45 < slee> my friend's sister didn't believe that he could spoof SMS, so he sent one to his sister's BF pretending to be from her phone#
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:42:54 < metacollin> RS232 is between +/- 15V to 3V.  Always.  Any time it is outside that range, or does not include a positive and negative differential pair, it IS NOT RS232.  There is NEVER 1.8V/3.3V/5V RS232 because RS232 would, at the very least, require 3.3V and -3.3V, or 5V and -5V.  If there is no voltage that is negative with respect to ground on one of the lines, it is not rs232 in any way shape or form, and cannot be called RS232.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:43:20 < metacollin> oh shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:43:27 < metacollin> we’ve been talking about rs232e all this time?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:43:29 < metacollin> Fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:43:37 < FreezingCold> hagbard: cool thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:43:43 < hagbard> metacollin: I know, right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:43:49 < slee> heh.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:49:18 < metacollin> for longer distance and the other goodies that come with that
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:49:19 < metacollin> I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:49:47 < hagbard> metacollin: Is that omega.com the actual standard? Who even is the authorative standard organization?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:50:28 < FreezingCold> hagbard: I measured like 8V off it
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:52:24 < hagbard> FreezingCold: off of.. what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:52:34 < fetcher> hagbard: EIA, I believe.  The spec should really be called EIA-232 since it's no longer just a "recommended standard"
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:52:35 < hagbard> metacollin: $152.00 http://global.ihs.com/doc_detail.cfm?currency_code=USD&customer_id=21254020200A&oshid=21254020200A&shopping_cart_id=21254020200A&rid=TIA&country_code=US&lang_code=ENGL&item_s_key=00125234&item_key_date=870024&input_doc_number=&input_doc_title=serial&org_code=TIA
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:52:44 < FreezingCold> hagbard: output, average
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:53:48 < p0g0> FreezingCold: if you have the marquee and the controller, what are you missing to run the marquee?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:53:52 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I'm assuming you mean the serial port. If its 8v, then, it's most certainly not ttl level. Did you check that PDF? A marquee designed to connect to your unit is expecting regular rs232, so, 8v would make sense.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:54:18 < FreezingCold> hmmm
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:54:20 < FreezingCold> odd
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:54:25 < FreezingCold> no terminal session :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T14:54:32 < FreezingCold> screen /dev/ttyUSB0 9600,cs8
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:56:34 < metacollin> siggh I picked it because it summarized it very nicely on one page.  If you really want the real thing, well, its a fucking scanned PDF and sucks but here is the offiicial one from TIA, the peeps responsbie for the standard: http://ftp.tiaonline.org/tr-30/TR-30.2/Public/2005%20Meetings/2005-06%20Arlington/For%20Review/TIA-EIA-592-A-Scanned.pdf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T14:57:45 < metacollin> Yes, it is technically EIA-232 now, but RS-232 is v.24 of it. They’re all backwards compatible
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:23 < hagbard> metacollin: Lawl, ITU V.24 is free
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:24 < metacollin> You’re lucky.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:26 < slee> it wasn't even the cheapest. there was a $29 fuji xerox unit
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:02:37 < hagbard> FreezingCold: What are you expecting to see over the serial port?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:42 < metacollin> Yeah, but I mean for the later versions wtf
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:02:48 < FreezingCold> hagbard: a shell right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:55 < metacollin> It was a laser printer?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:02:57 < hagbard> FreezingCold: What? Why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:57 < slee> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:02:59 < metacollin> Not an inkjet?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:00 < metacollin> Damn
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:02 < metacollin> That’s awesome.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:03:02 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Did you look at that PDF at all?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:03:21 < FreezingCold> nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:27 < slee> both models have separate fuser and toner too, not together in one unit, and actually fairly cheap consumables
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:37 < metacollin> See, I would love it if I enver had to print anything ever, but usually I have no choice.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:03:44 < hagbard> FreezingCold: ok, then, there's no surprise you expected a shell.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:46 < metacollin> Like, shipping labels.  I gotta print those bitches out
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:03:48 < slee> not as cheap per page as a big expensive printer, but mehhhh, for the volume i print (hardly anything) it matters not a whit
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:04:02 < metacollin> Actually I think that’s the only thing now I do print
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:04:48 < metacollin> I totally agree paper is teh stupid these days
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:05:10 < metacollin> putting information on dead plant is so 8000 BC
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:05:13 < metacollin> papyrus shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:05:18 < FreezingCold> hagbard: ah kk, will read
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:05:19 < slee> i used to work at a business mailhouse company
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:05:21 < slee> for about 8 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:05:41 < slee> we printed and mailed telco bills, bank statements, that kind of crap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:10:30 < metacollin> Like cylindrical lithium ion cells
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:10:46 < slee> oO
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:11:18 < p0g0> human tissue in vitro stuff...
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:11:41 < hagbard> FreezingCold: It looks like that controller connects to the marquee with the SMC+ and SMC- pins.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:12:04 < hagbard> FreezingCold: The rs232 / rs485 link is for a computer running software or an operator terminal for inputting information
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:13:34 < metacollin> slee: http://youtu.be/Lt6oKRQqoSc
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:13:42 < FreezingCold> hagbard: you're totally right
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:13:51 < FreezingCold> the SMC+/I pins are already connected to the signal
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:13:54 < FreezingCold> *sign
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:14:04 < metacollin> Oh yeah some guy dicsvoered living cells survive being, uh, printed out of a consumer inkjet cartridge.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:14:10 < metacollin> He used some HP printer haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:14:36 < metacollin> I have no idea how they survive since I thought ink jets worked by heating the ink to hundreds of degrees but whatever
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:14:59 < p0g0> I think some have some sort of pump
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:15:15 < hagbard> FreezingCold: This manual, http://support.ge-ip.com/support/resources/sites/GE_FANUC_SUPPORT/content/live/DOCUMENT/0/DO841/en_US/SmartMessageCenter.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:15:21 < metacollin> slee, does that machine look kind of familiar? I mean, its totally adapted from newspaper printing I believe
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:15:26 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Describes a similar, more sophisticated unit that, I believe, uses the same protocol.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:15:36 < metacollin> Might be kind of outside your specific experience though
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:15:42 < metacollin> since thats inking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:18:04 < retrosenator> wouldn't it be better to hire poor people to do this work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:18:23 < retrosenator> slee: as it is, there is not much for them to do
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:18:24 < p0g0> retrosenator: not if you have to pay them.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:18:32 < FreezingCold> hagbard: hmmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:18:35 < metacollin> yeah, robots work for free
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:18:43 < metacollin> ‘free’
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:04 < p0g0> I think they have made ones that run on ethanol
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:06 < retrosenator> so there are people you can see their bones sticking out, and they can barely walk because they have nothing to sell
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:20:06 < hagbard> FreezingCold: The controller speaks to the sign at 9600, I now suspect that the sm1000smc may possibly well use other parameters.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:14 < slee> at said printing company i worked at, there was a guy who put a 3-tonne forklift through a wall because he'd been out drifting it (!) in the carpark in the rain... after smoking pot in his breaks
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:25 < slee> this is what happens when you pay humans
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:33 < p0g0> they get bored?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:20:44 < FreezingCold> hagbard: it's commatiting at 300 with no parity
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:49 < retrosenator> I think the problem is that they have the forklifts in the first place actually
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:20:51 < p0g0> and don't respect equipment that they don't own?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:20:54 < FreezingCold>  screen /dev/ttyUSB0 300,cs8
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:21:04 < hagbard> FreezingCold: You're on a Mac, aren't you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:21:13 < slee> holy shit this pick'n'place video is awesome
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:21:14 < p0g0> FreezingCold: that is one old protocol if it is running at 300 baud.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:21:24 < hagbard> p0g0: 1990's
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:21:26 < slee> do you think they play techno in the pcb plant?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:21:30 < slee> to keep the machines in time
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:22:17 < p0g0> hagbard: 300 baud as a standard  went out in  the late '70s early 80's
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:22:23 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I think it was expected you'd use some special keyboard hooked to the RJ11 on the left.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:22:41 < hagbard> p0g0: Yeah, but, doesn't mean people don't use it..
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:23:32 < p0g0> hagbard: usually they use it to conform to an old system, anything redesigned since is pretty likely to run a lot faster.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:32:35 < metacollin> Jesus that’s a wavelength of 4000KM
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:32:48 < metacollin> 76Hz
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:32:52 < hagbard> p0g0: There's always a two man rule.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:33:06 < FreezingCold> hagbard: linux
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:33:07 < retrosenator> don't they have to have two guys each with two keys turn all 4 keys at exactly the same time, then quickly enter a 15 character code into a keypad?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:33:07 < p0g0> hagbard: I am pretty sure the US has similar rules.  hagbard yes, it is a two man urle.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:33:09 < p0g0> *rule
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:33:22 < FreezingCold> hagbard: it might...
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:33:45 < p0g0> but two men are pretty easy to coerce, compared to the consequences.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:33:55 < hagbard> p0g0: The captain and the weapons officer need to agree and turn keys in different places on the submarine. I imagine the interlocks are nontrivial to circumvent. These aren't the 60s where all kansas icbms had the permissive action links set to 000000
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:33:55 < FreezingCold> it can go up to 9600
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:34:06 < retrosenator> also, they cannot be 1 armed men or you need 4 of them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:34:31 < metacollin> yay kansas
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:38:57 < hagbard> retrosenator: Eh, the government is of the people, by the people, for the people - we do have all the things the government has.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:39:30 < retrosenator> yes but those people don't include me
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:39:50 < p0g0> retrosenator: uhm, when my folks met, they were isolating U235 to ignite over Hiroshima...much of their motivation was a sesne of competition from other nations.  When that all gets too local, I think we'd all regret it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:39:51 < FreezingCold> hagbard: heh still not getting a connection out of it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:40:02 < FreezingCold> the manual says that pressing ESC three times should get me a shell
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:40:31 < FreezingCold> the ADR is 127
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:40:32 < retrosenator> I wonder if setting off all 3000 nukes would really kill everyone
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:40:34 < FreezingCold> dunno if that matters
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:42:01 < Miyu> retrosenator: if not directly then indirectly :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:42:10 < retrosenator> so it's possible to transmit these extremely low frequencies enough to disturb people
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:42:39 < retrosenator> p0g0: isn't that going to happen anyway?
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:42:40 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I haven't been able to find a manual for your specific unit. I'm sorry, I don't think I can help any more.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:42:53 < retrosenator> p0g0: the sea level has risen quite a lot already
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:42:56  * SpeedEvil sighs.
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T15:43:00 < FreezingCold> hagbard: that's for the help, I'll probably just ask my prof what he did to program it when it comes in :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T15:43:04 < hagbard> retrosenator: So do high frequencies, like, a microwave.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:31:17 < corecode_> no balls
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:31:37 < corecode_> first, you need to know your flow rate and temp settings so that you don't scorch stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:31:59 < corecode_> you lift the shield, then you lift the bga
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:32:08 < R0b0t1> corecode_: Yeah no stencil and the hot air I have access to is pretty bad
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:32:22 < corecode_> then you clean the bga with a straight edged knife
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:32:27 < corecode_> under heat
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:46:05 < corecode_> uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:46:14 < corecode_> then you should filter both 12V and -12V
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:47:06 < JFK911> corecode_: interesting about the solder paste bit.
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T19:47:10 < corecode_> yea
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T21:52:47 < ShadowJK> So apparently, pushing 36 Amps through 1.5mm2 wire and poorly tightened terminal strips, results in the emission of smoke and and wires spontaneously disconnecting
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T21:53:11 < fbs> you should get a phd for that
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T21:53:30 < _688as> submit a paper to IEEE
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:38:44 < Hyratel>  /were
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:38:46 < Hyratel> pics?
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:38:49 < MasterAccurate> password2, look the movie how to save poor energy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:39:06 < Hyratel> also I was mistaken wrt the ssize of the carts you're working with. I thought this was for a child's gokart
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:39:19 < MasterAccurate> it works with more power too but you will need bigger converter and thick wires
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2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:53:39 < password2> prob less than 5 year return on solar expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:53:45 < MasterAccurate> bevore I was paying only 19cent/kWh
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:53:48 < Polesch> I have to say though, shutting down the nuclear plants is stupid
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T22:53:56 < FreezingCold> LOL
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:54:01 < MasterAccurate> not really, but it is to early
2014-04.log:2014-04-16T22:54:05 < FreezingCold> one of my profs freaked out that I was messing with the large LED screen
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:54:11 < MasterAccurate> they should wait another 20 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-16T22:54:17 < _abc_> password2: Don't forget we are talking Germany, aka lousy weather, nazi taxes and local bylaws, and so on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T00:35:24 < jaggz-a> flange nut time.. afk :).
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T00:39:32 < JFK911> jaggz-a: interesting detective work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T00:40:45 < jaggz-a> tx
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T02:11:14 < SpeedEvil> sabotender: what qwuestion
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T02:11:53 < sabotender> SpeedEvil: What is the best method to apply a solder mask? So far, I have seen too many sloppy and shoddy do it yourself examples that make me frown furiously.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T02:12:03 < sabotender> I want something that would apply even coverage. Maybe I could assemble a makeshift silkscreen. That might apply it evenly
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:37:17 < LeelooMinai> xenokiller: imho find other hobby idea:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:37:19 < The_Coolest> I would hazzard a guess that a lot more than you may have
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:37:30 < xenokiller> Leeloominai why ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T03:37:31 < FreezingCold> eh, I'm feeling in a pretty hacky mood
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:37:52 < LeelooMinai> xenokiller: Because this one is kind of impractical
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:37:52 < CoolBeer> xenokiller: For a in-home ic fab? We are talking millions easily(it would be very dependent on how small features you want ofc).
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T03:37:54 < FreezingCold> I was pretty proud of myself today, I managed to get into a digital LED screen within 15 minutes without a manual lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T03:38:09 < FreezingCold> old school PLC from the 90s
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T03:38:13 < FreezingCold> RS232 with screw terminals haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T03:38:17 < hesperaux> hi guise
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:21:30 < FreezingCold> How well do these things work?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:21:30 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Wireless-Serial-4-Pin-Bluetooth-RF-Transceiver-Module-HC-06-RS232-With-backplane-/370999421767?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item566149eb47
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:23:19 < Casper> jaggz-a: daylight running light relay, provision for dome light (probably not connected), i/p cluster, horn relay, cigarette lighter (look there!), rear and front dome light, radio
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:23:27 < R0b0t1> It does bluetooth
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:23:31 < R0b0t1> what, precisely, were you expecting?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:24:28 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Well, is it laggy as crap?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:24:35 < jaggz-a> daylight running light? cig lighter not connected.. what's ip cluster?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:24:53 < jaggz-a> that runs to the radio? hmm
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:25:02 < Casper> instrument cluster
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:25:09 < jaggz-a> ugh
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:25:41 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Bluetooth in general is laggy as crap
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:26:03 < R0b0t1> but what kind of throughput and latency do you need
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:26:38 < jaggz-a> can you Skype that to me? I can't copy it here
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:27:18 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: just enough for a shell
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:27:54 < R0b0t1> it'll do that
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:31:22 < FreezingCold> I' m going to buy a level converter and a separate bluetooth dongle
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:32:25 < FreezingCold> wth, does this even have any devices on it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:32:25 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Interface-Base-Board-Serial-Transceiver-Bluetooth-Module-For-Arduino-MEGA-UNO-TR-/181271585780?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a34a0e3f4
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:34:56 < FreezingCold> it looks empty
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:37:39 < mrdata> Napalm___ still with us?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:38:20 < FreezingCold> lol yeah it's just a board
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T05:38:21 < FreezingCold> never mind
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:38:24  * mrdata watches as th flies land on Napalm___'s corpse
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T05:38:57 < Haxxa> so wait would a 4.7 uf capitor be fine between 5v and gnd for isp programming
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:09:22 < hjf_> JFK911: hehe i did that for my diamond rio from 99
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:09:27 < hjf_> 32MB of MP3!
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:09:46 < JFK911> yeah i have a 32 mbyte "MMC" sd-card for my 1999 palmpilot
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:10:13  * FreezingCold completes an ebay order
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:10:20 < FreezingCold> oh boy, these parts should be fun
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:10:25 < FreezingCold> man, I get so much random fun crap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:10:29 < Xark> I converted my iPod-mini with 4GB physical HDD to use 32GB compact flash (uses same connector).  Only downside is shuffle "sucks" with that many songs. :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:10:49 < JFK911> FreezingCold: did you get that fake cow butt
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:10:58 < FreezingCold> na, not this time
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:11:00 < FreezingCold> next time
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:11:13 < FreezingCold> I got a few things so I can step up bluetooth to db9
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:11:18 < FreezingCold> *set up
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:11:21 < JFK911> maybe its worth it to wait, im waiting for a horse version
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:12:33 < FreezingCold> this bluetooth module should allow me to be more subtle when messing around with stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:12:54 < FreezingCold> one of my profs wasn't happy about me mucking with the large LED display
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:13:01 < JFK911> Xark: Interesting idea i have some ipods with broken hdd
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:13:13 < FreezingCold> I was kinda sitting beside it with a bunch of wires connected to it, so it was clear it was me lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:13:31 < Xark> JFK911: Super easy with iPod mini, as the HDD it uses has same connector as CF.  Opening the case is the only real hard part.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:14:25 < JFK911> didnt realize a flash might work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:14:34 < JFK911> (didnt bother taking any ipods apart)
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:14:51 < FreezingCold> I remember the days of iPod hard drive swapping
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:14:52 < FreezingCold> that was cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:14:55  * Xark links http://www.geektechnique.org/projectlab/753/how-to-turn-your-ipod-mini-into-a-flash-based-ipod.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:15:23 < JFK911> mercy buck cups
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:54:54 < Alan410> c
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:54:54 < Alan410> in this schemati
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:55:32 < hjohnson> yeah, negative terminal of the 9v goes to ground
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:55:57 < FreezingCold> silly question, does VGA "reflect" the pins on the other end?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:55:58 < Alan410> thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:56:18 < Alan410> reflect as in
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:56:33 < Hyratel> FreezingCold, no, it's identical
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:56:37 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: vga cables tend to be straight through
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:56:46 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: so pin 5 is always pin 5 on either side?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:56:47 < Hyratel> completely reversible
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:56:51 < FreezingCold> thanks
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:56:59 < FreezingCold> I'm making a VGA to i2c connector
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:57:15 < FreezingCold> Do you think I should include the pull up resistors inside the casing or na?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:57:19 < hjohnson> for the IDC data?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:57:42 < FreezingCold> uh just for interfacing with random stuff
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T06:58:35 < hjohnson> I dont' know that the I2C output on your average video card is accessible from the kernel
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:58:51 < FreezingCold> it is
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:59:28 < FreezingCold> [20140416:235846~]$ sudo i2cdetect -l | sprunge
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T06:59:28 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/bUDQ
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T07:01:52 < hjohnson> the more you know
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T07:02:49 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: Think I should throw the pullups right into the housing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T07:03:02 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: i'd look at the ddc2 spec
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T07:03:08 < hjohnson> but it can't hurt
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T07:03:34 < Alan410> Guys
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T07:03:38 < Alan410> I just thought of an error
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:10 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:20 < OoTLink> oh I get it
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:25 < OoTLink> so it's like a serial <-> ethernet adapter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:31:28 < FreezingCold> Crap, does this thing only work in one direction? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251460640130?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:45 < LeelooMinai> Wel, parallel to ethernet I think?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:47 < Flea86> OoTLink: Parallel port => Ethernet
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:31:59 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:31:59 < FreezingCold> I want to use that to hook up to a bluetooth module to get wireless RS232
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:00 < bcsllc> i have this odd probllem
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:16 < bcsllc> one external INT is causing the other external INT to happen next to it
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:23 < LeelooMinai> I remember my "boss" at university got one of those for his laptop and it was state of the art internet connectivity then:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:32:31 < FreezingCold> never mind, it should be fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:45 < OoTLink> there were some pretty inappropriate parallel adapters hehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:49 < OoTLink> like parallel zip drives
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:50 < bcsllc> I check with my scope, the button press on one INT is not showing up on both
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:32:57 < bcsllc> but both flags get set
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:33:13 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: However, for my board I am going to use proper 1G PHY:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:33:14 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: lol well they are pretty cool in the sense that they'll work on any PC with an LPT port..
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:33:17 < FreezingCold> So yeah, can I hook this up to this? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251460640130?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/370999421767?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:33:20 < FreezingCold> I already bought both :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:33:24 < zigggggy> heh its amazing how parsing through 400 KBs of data in C is lightning fast
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:33:40 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: do it in opencl now
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:33:44 < zigggggy> opencl??
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:33:49 < LeelooMinai> 400KB of data is tiny though
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:34:00 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: he needs to make a 400MB database
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:34:06 < zigggggy> LeelooMinai, but when I write it out to a CSV file, its like 1.5 MBs
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:34:25 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Nice. Though ofc there are far better add-on options than the PE3 shown above..
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:34:26 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: what's in the CSV file?\
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:34:31 < LeelooMinai> God... 1.5MB - how one can even get this much data
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:34:51 < zigggggy> :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:34:52 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: I just did that because it was fun and I wanted to see Arachne run on my board :P
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:35:27 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: Di you have ram ic on that board?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:35:37 < zigggggy> FreezingCold i basically have like a 1500 or so gain curves that i am parsing through
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:35:42 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Of course, 32MBytes :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:36:08 < zigggggy> i pull it out of a text file where its in a format like name = "x1,y1,x2,y2..."
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:36:11 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Actually, I have both external DRAM and SRAM
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:36:12 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: I am currently researching this part. Reading about DDR modules for MachXO2, etc.
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T08:36:14 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: try compressing it with this: xz -9ke file.csv
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:36:29 < zigggggy> and the name is encoded with lots of info so i have to parse that
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:36:37 < zigggggy> so i wrote a parser for that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:57:20 < DanDare> wait, im not o hxis
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:57:32 < LeelooMinai> azonenberg: Ok, but that is kind of optimization step
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:57:42 < LeelooMinai> Which may or may not be needed
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:57:55 < azonenberg> well yes, but dram is pretty high latency
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T08:58:00 < azonenberg> so you usually want a cache if you are using it at all
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T21:26:20 < Jymmm> In respect to coaxial power connectors, what do the dimensions represent (5.5 x 2.5mm for example)? ID/OD of barrel? Pin? length?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T21:28:00 < shrdlu-> I matched with this stunning lady on Tinder who does electronics
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T21:28:07 < Polesch> If I wire a LiPo directly to a solar panel, will the LiPo charge?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T21:28:20 < _abc_> JFK911: outer diameter of barrel, and pin diameter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:25:13 < Jymmm> and has the authority to make decisions
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:26:02 < Jymmm> jaggz: "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?"
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:26:27 < FreezingCold> Hey so for my VGA -> i2c adapter, think I should add the pull up resistors within the housing/casing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:26:28 < Jymmm> jaggz: arbitration disclaimer?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:26:31 < FreezingCold> Or should that be external?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:28:38 < Kevin`> FreezingCold: doesn't the host side already have those?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:29:03 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: I thought so too, but all the diagrams online tell me to add the pullups anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:29:07 < jaggz> arbitration?  if I have an issue with them?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:29:09 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what do you want to do?  write edid rom?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:29:19 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pretty much yeah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:29:37 < JFK911> shouldnt both sides have some pull up?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:29:42 < JFK911> you can find the pullups with your voltmeter
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:30:13 < FreezingCold> I was thinking of doing that; won't the circuits behind the VGA port affect it though?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:30:27 < JFK911> yeah they will be +5v if they have pullups on them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:30:47 < JFK911> the point of i2c is to ground the bus when something wants to make a mark
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:30:49 < FreezingCold> right.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:30:54 < FreezingCold> Fail on my part
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:30:57 < JFK911> so the pullups cant be too strong for the i2c groundshorts
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:31:01 < FreezingCold> I was thinking of checking the resistance
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:31:03 < FreezingCold> >_<
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:31:21 < nullvibe> hmm...just had a thought. pin 5 is the device ground in a serial cable, and the shielding is supposedly the chassis ground. any thoughts on connecting the two versus leaving the chassis ground disconnected when there isn't a separate chassis ground?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:31:28 < JFK911> somehow my crt display can be calibrated/controlled by this wire
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:31:57 < JFK911> nullvibe: huh, why would there not be a chassis ground
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:40:54 < JFK911> they do have shielded cat5
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:41:25 < nullvibe> was just wondering if I'd be better off bridging them to the single pin on the remote end, but wasn't sure if that'd cause any sort of weird multipathing/emf issues or anything
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:41:45 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: for longer distances, why not do wireless?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:41:53 < nullvibe> yeah, stp. shielded, twisted pair. expensive stuff, and problematic for most usual networking purposes
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:41:53 < FreezingCold> oh wait
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:41:58 < FreezingCold> you said it was for security
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:42:00 < FreezingCold> probably a bad idea then
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:42:16 < nullvibe> no, the security system was a project from years ago
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:42:30 < JFK911> interesting i preferred to use the shielded cable for the racks i put up in telco facilities
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:43:52 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: the problem with wireless is that the chips are on a slow boat from china, along with more usb ttl dongles
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:44:48 < JFK911> heres what i would do
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:56:49 < JFK911> id like to think i check my upnp logs often enough to notice rude behavior
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:56:58 < nullvibe> I KNOW when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness' sake >_>
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:57:04 < JFK911> and id never leave that behind at a customer site
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:57:10 < FreezingCold> _abc_: yeah heartbleed really messed tor over now that i think about it
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:57:15 < FreezingCold> wait
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:57:19 < FreezingCold> Why did it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:57:28 < FreezingCold> you don't need SSL if it's only within the Tor network, no?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:57:41 < JFK911> tor use openssl
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:57:56 < Jymmm> That's the 2nd time OpenSSL fubared
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:57:56 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:58:05 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It's linked right in there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:58:10 < FreezingCold> I thought they had their own protocol
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:58:15 < JFK911> Jymmm: what's the prior time?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:58:50 < JFK911> FreezingCold: sure, but why reinvent the certificate and cryptography wheel
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:04 < nullvibe> even IF you compromise every key on every tor system, you'd still have issues resulting from the dynamic nature of the routing
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:16 < Jymmm> JFK911: Debian with only 64K possisble keys, globally. Not reall OpenSSL directly, but if it wasn't for GNG signing the respositories, we'd be fscked royally.
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T22:59:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'm not saying they should have, I just thought they did :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:25 < ohsix> 'dynamic nature' ;]
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:40 < JFK911> well dumping the memory of nodes is certainly something i'd try
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:49 < JFK911> think of the interesting stuff that would come out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T22:59:57 < nullvibe> also, it would be difficult to use what was found in court since it would be obtained by unlawful means in most jurisdictions
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:00:03 < JFK911> Jymmm: yea im blaming debian and their downstreams for that one
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:00:16 < JFK911> sometimes blackmail is more effective than court
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:00:38 < FreezingCold> lol beaky
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:00:45 < Jymmm> JFK911: Sure, but we aare still using 256bit for banking in this day and age.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:00:55 < nullvibe> JFK911: or strong-arming, but that only works against cowards and the painfully naive
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:00:56 < Jymmm> JFK911: pretty sad imo
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:01:06 < JFK911> nullvibe: all you need for that is more arms
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:01:28 < Jymmm> JFK911: There are soem .de banks using OTP (literaly printed out pads)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:01:40 < _abc_> tor is well known for having realtime maintained entrance and exit node lists which are public. It takes only so much effort to use heartbleed and that and with a little luck reap the ips of most nodes in the network and possibly the relationship between them assuming the stuff exists as structs in tor nodes
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:01:44 < FreezingCold> there's a lot more layers to online banking than just SSL
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:01:55 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: Name one
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:01:59 < FreezingCold> they pay TONS of people just to stare and watch accounts
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:02:09 < Jymmm> after the fact
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:02:24 < FreezingCold> Jymmm: they all work together, it's pretty easy to reverse payments
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:02:39 < FreezingCold> or track down who received them
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:02:43 < nullvibe> _abc_: exit nodes, yes. entrance nodes, no. technically, your own node is the entrance node, and the next nodes wouldn't necessarily know what came before, so you'd have to collect keys for every node in the network
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:02:48 < ohsix> pay people to watch accounts eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:02:56 < JFK911> some of the banking places i deal with are using older openssl or they are using paid microsoft or sun stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:03:00 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: If there was no legal guarntee your money was safe, you know online banking would stop dead.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:03:17 < spybert> nullvibe: I would assume that your typical paranoid cam user would do something similar, especially on the corporate level.  Those companies whose cams appeared on the scan need to hire more paranoids :))
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:03:20 < nullvibe> then also watch traffic for every single node, including any and all that are tranferring traffic FROM a foreign country to ANOTHER foreign country
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:03:28 < ohsix> encryption just makes banking cheaper!
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:03:39 < JFK911> i thought tor traffic was encrypted for a specific endpoint so that transit nodes might not look into it
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:03:40 < FreezingCold> Jymmm: it's a numbers game
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:03:46 < FreezingCold> they pay for insurance
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:03:54 < FreezingCold> or write it off internally
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:03:58 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: But why does it need to be a game is what I'm getting at.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:04:07 < ohsix> _abc_: attacking tor is dumb when the people using it generally volunteer information or have side channel leaks of stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:04:07 < nullvibe> spybert: except that these embedded systems are targetted at SOHOs rather than companies that have competent computing professionals on staff
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:04:19 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: When you get forclosed on becasue your bank fubared your money isn't a game imo
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:04:30 < FreezingCold> ...Because hackers and thief's will always exist?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:04:31 < _abc_> ohsix: Much dumber things than that are being done constantly
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:04:41 < _abc_> ohsix: Do not try to apply logic to the mob
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:04:50 < FreezingCold> Jymmm: That has never happened to anyone I know personally
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:04:56 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: Of course, but at least TRY is all I'm saying
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:06 < ohsix> it's not 'dumb' in that sense, you can get all that you want for much less effort from almost all people using the thing, you can leave the thing alone
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:14 < nullvibe> JFK911: tor traffic is encrypted using the public key of all hops in the circuit, and each layer is decrypted at each hop as the message gets passed through the network torward the exit node
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:05:19 < FreezingCold> And if you're that close to a mortgage foreclosure, you're already in trouble and that's a bit your fault
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:23 < nullvibe> that's "onion routing"
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:05:25 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: Yeah, I've heard of a couple actually, had to take legal action to stop it and 12,000 USD later...
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:33 < ohsix> if you compromised the thing you wouldn't be vocal about it because you're using their trust in the thing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:50 < hoverboard> ohsix, did you even update Adobe Reader yet today?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:52 < ohsix> the default circuit times are pretty long lived anyways
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:05:52 < hoverboard> jajajajajaj
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:06:28 < FreezingCold> Jymmm: I dunno, maybe that's more common in America
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:06:32 < nullvibe> ohsix: nothing prevents you from send traffic through tor only to re-enter and pass through tor a second time if you're sufficiently paranoid ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:06:33 < FreezingCold> It's never happened to any of my friends here in Canada
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:06:47 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: Probably,
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:07:01 < nullvibe> or even using an i2p outproxy that dumps to tor. TWO different darknets to have to monitor to find you that way
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:07:01 < FreezingCold> The banking here is pretty good
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:07:22 < ohsix> you don't have to monitor anything
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:07:44 < ohsix> total information awareness isn't even something that is valuable to do, it gets you everything but something is almost as valuable as everything
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:07:54 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: There was one case where a lil old laady had $1200 left to pay off her mortgage, she was one day late with her $200 payment due to being in the hospital, they went into foreclosure on her.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:08:02 < _abc_> nullvibe: In these times of full connection data storage by isps, besides the additional gubmint mandated one, it is futile to think of an ip connection as being 'secure' or 'untraceable'
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:08:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: done eating, I'm going to check out to see if the VGA port already has pullups on it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:08:32 < nullvibe> _abc_: they can read the envelopes, but that's it unless they open it and read it (which is a crime)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:08:34 < _abc_> nullvibe: So please do not claim any connections are so
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:08:35 < FreezingCold> Jymmm: and they reversed it after she paid the amount + interest?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:08:47 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: No, they didn't
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:08:59 < FreezingCold> that story sounds fishy
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:03 < ohsix> it's not a 'one case' without a little old lady
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:04 < nullvibe> encryption == envelope. providing opacity for your protection ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:06 < _abc_> nullvibe: You realize that finding 'unreadable' traffic or the assumption thereof is punishable by law many places, right? AND the number of tor users is relatively low.
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:09:11 < Jymmm> FreezingCold: They had to contact a congressman to help "aliviate" the issue
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:17 < _abc_> nullvibe: They'd stick out like a sore thumb in any listing.
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:21 < Kevin`> MasterAccurate: I watched your video. my knowledge of physics tells me why it won't work and the exact mistakes people make when they think it will.  the video offers no proof itself, it presupposes you making the same basic physics mistakes to believe what's presented
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:09:23 < ohsix> the problem with that story is that it's necessarily true even if there isn't an old lady, 2009 and the foreclosure mess was insane
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:09:29 < FreezingCold> ohsix: +++
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:10:00 < FreezingCold> that's more of a foreclosure mess than a bank hacking mess
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:10:13 < nullvibe> _abc_: you're forgetting one thing. knowledge is power on the internet, and the most "powerful" aren't likely to allow anyone to bully them or tell them what they can and can't do
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:10:37 < _abc_> nullvibe: Try that attitude in Iran or such and see how long you last.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:33:04 < nullvibe> SpeedEvil: that made me picture someone holding up an oxygen and demanding all of its electrons
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:33:25 < MasterAccurate> mosfet is a modern tube
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:34:14 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I don't even get +5V out of my VGA connector =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:34:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what do you see in the monitor
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:34:34 < MasterAccurate> a tube needs the filament heater
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:34:38 < MasterAccurate> a mosfet not
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:34:51 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's not plugged in
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:34:54 < MasterAccurate> in a tube the electrons fly in vacuum
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:35:01 < MasterAccurate> in mosfet they don't leaf the metall
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:35:49 < JFK911> FreezingCold: turn on a monitor and look what you see
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:35:49 < ohsix> there's something like a 'grid' in how the mosfet works
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:35:55 < JFK911> you looking on pin 9 or 12?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:36:03 < JFK911> or 15?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:36:35 < FreezingCold> [20140417:163539~]$ sudo cat /dev/i2c-1
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:36:35 < FreezingCold> cat: /dev/i2c-1: No such device or address
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:36:43 < FreezingCold> JFK911: just across 9 and 10
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:36:50 < FreezingCold> which should be +5V and GND no matter what
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:37:13 < JFK911> i thought you were also checking to see if data and clock had pullups in the video card
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:37:16 < Polesch> I also want to know the cause of voltage, when there is a potential difference (electrical potential) between two conductors. By my logic there has to be less electrons (per proton) in one vs. the other. No?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:37:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: that's next
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:37:52 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:37:57 < FreezingCold> I do have 5V on gnd to pin 15
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:38:04 < JFK911> boiiing
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:38:28 < ohsix> you'd have all the high voltages and stuff that don't matter
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:39:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: nothing on pin 12
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:40:23 < _abc_> Polesch: A running tube will try to emit beta but it stops in the glass and causes it to fluoresce
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:40:30 < FreezingCold> JFK911: and yeah no standard +5V anywhere in the middle
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:40:38 < Polesch> _abc_, that makes sense
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:40:43 < _abc_> Polesch: It also emits X when the electrons hit a metal target with enough energy (>5kV)
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:41:00 < _abc_> Normally in a low voltage tube there will be some charge on the inside of the glass and nothing else
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:41:15 < Polesch> _abc_, so the electrons hit the molecules of the glass, excites it, and light is emitted?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:41:16 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Why would SCL have a pullup but not SDA?
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:41:19 < _abc_> Negligible for most purposes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:41:28 < _abc_> Polesch: Yes, if they have enough energy
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:58:25 < FreezingCold> huh, does my VGA port follow some non-standard thing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:58:31 < FreezingCold> I don't sense any +5V on pin 9
2014-04.log-2014-04-17T23:58:40 < password2> Evening
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2014-04.log:2014-04-17T23:59:59 < FreezingCold> and I sense +5V on SCL but nothing on on SDA
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:00:01 < password2> Why two threads for two pins?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:00:02 < Polesch> I have decided to build this http://davidsonamp.com/sf/images/champ5f1.gif
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:00:12 < FreezingCold> password2: What?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:00:47 < ShadowJK> I'd reduce the scope of uncertainty by reducing to one thread
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:00:50 < password2> FreezingCold: saedelaere  said he is using two threads to monitor two pins
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:01:02 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Well you're not JFK911, but do you have any ideas?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:01:23 < FreezingCold> password2: oh, thought you were talking to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:01:24 < ShadowJK> memristors barely exist, and you wonder how the're drawn?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:01:34 < password2> Polesch: is that tubes?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:01:47 < Polesch> password2, yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:01:50 < ShadowJK> they're pretty recent invention anyway..
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:01:58 < password2> ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:02:16 < FreezingCold> oh, google says maybe the +5V is empty
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:02:18 < password2> looks interessting
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:02:18 < MasterAccurate> nice shematic Polesch :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:10:49 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I figured it out
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:10:56 < FreezingCold> turns out this VGA cable doesn't have all the pins
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:11:13 < FreezingCold> nothing on pin 9 or 12
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:11:23 < JFK911> FreezingCold: hee hee
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:11:47 < FreezingCold> JFK911: probably would explain why the cable was so cheap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:12:16 < JFK911> do you nuckers have a cable store like monoprice?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:12:21 < FreezingCold> nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:12:26 < JFK911> their stuff is usually good quality
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:12:30 < FreezingCold> ehh
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:12:45 < JFK911> well their cables are
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:12:45 < FreezingCold> kinda annoying since I already chopped off a bit of the cable to fit it in my laptop lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:13:11 < MasterAccurate> it is time for me to go sleeping, I wish you all a goooooooooood night!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:13:56 < FreezingCold> later mas
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:14:11 < FreezingCold> time to go VGA cable hunting in my hosue
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:14:12 < FreezingCold> *house
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:14:33 < JFK911> i also got a card reader and some toners from monoprice and they are fine
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:15:39 < FreezingCold> this VGA cable probably works just fine with monitors
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:15:39 < saedelaere> ohsix: ok thanks. so there ust be something wrong with my code
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:35:56 < dutchfish> i must be overlooking something
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:36:13 < Polesch> Which country uses 240V?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:36:37 < dutchfish> Polesch, .nl currently is 230..235V and still increasing slowly
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:36:41 < FreezingCold> Wow, Android's new camera is pretty sick
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:37:06 < FreezingCold> new motion blur feature
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:37:11 < Polesch> dutchfish, increasing voltage with increasing water levels, bad mix.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:37:19 < dutchfish> Polesch, :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:41:29 < dutchfish> ohsix, yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:41:30 < ohsix> i would suspect measurements
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:41:44 < kurt> FreezingCold: Yeah.
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:41:51 < FreezingCold> kurt: have you tried it yet?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:41:55 < kurt> Yeah.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:42:20 < dutchfish> ohsix, yes, the crystals capacity is hard to measure directly, i skipped that, and focused on capacitors Q and transmission lines
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:44:36 < dutchfish> ohsix, my next best thing is to graph out the transistor and better adjust its class points DC
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:44:51 < dutchfish> ohsix, as in class A i suppose?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:45:13 < FreezingCold> kurt: http://i.imgur.com/0EQRqlq.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:55:36 < ohsix> dutchfish: you might try a simpler type with an inverter and see if the crystal behaves like it's supposed to
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:55:48 < dutchfish> ohsix, good tip, thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:56:02 < the_file> bcsllc: http://paste.debian.net/
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:56:22 < kurt> FreezingCold: It is cool to get the short depth of field effect from a cellphone camera.  But I use an f2.8 lens on my DSLR for most of my shooting, so it doesn't seem exotic.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:56:23 < the_file> there are shit loads of paste sites
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:56:28 < bcsllc> http://pastebin.com/qCBbv91T
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:57:22 < dutchfish> thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:57:27 < ohsix> does the same thing but with an inverter instead of a phase shift network
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:57:40 < dutchfish> yup
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:57:50 < FreezingCold> kurt: haha yeah, I'm not a camera guy
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:57:58 < ohsix> the one in the article uses a jfet inverter
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T00:58:00 < FreezingCold> kurt: I just find it cool that we can do these semi nice looking photos with cell phone cameras now
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:58:01 < dutchfish> 74ac04 might do it as well (i hope) i check it out
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:58:28 < ohsix> those are the best kind of 'problems' to have, you'll learn a lot
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T00:58:40 < dutchfish> ohsix, yup :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:32:54 < FreezingCold> oh yay my PIC32 sample came in
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:33:42 < shox_> is it any one here that have experience with the K150 PIC-programmer?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:33:56 < FreezingCold> shox_: don't buy it
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:34:20 < shox_> FreezingCold: no? is it bad?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:34:38 < FreezingCold> shox_: what country are you from?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:35:05 < shox_> FreezingCold: norway
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:35:50 < FreezingCold> shox_: How much are they asking for that programmer?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:36:46 < FreezingCold> if it's $10, then I'd go for it
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:36:51 < FreezingCold> like this
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:36:51 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/PIC-USB-Automatic-Programming-Develop-Microcontroller-Programmer-K150-ICSP-TR-/181293252264?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a35eb7ea8
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:37:01 < shox_> FreezingCold: about 75 dollars
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:37:12 < FreezingCold> yeah it goes on ebay for $10
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:37:41 < shox_> okey, so. dont thinking about the price. is it a good ICSP?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:38:01 < FreezingCold> shox_: Any will do :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:38:25 < FreezingCold> I personally use the "official" PICKIT2 because I was in a rush since I needed it for coursework
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:39:30 < Oscillate> I orderd a new opamp for the final audio output on the fender rhodes chroma polaris
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:39:40 < Oscillate> I have it now
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:39:58 < shox_> FreezingCold: I will order both, and make an opinion about both :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:40:15 < shox_> for now, i only know AVR.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:40:24 < Oscillate> it is supposed to restore some low end to the signal
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:40:25 < FreezingCold> shox_: it's a waste of money to pay $75
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:40:26 < shox_> STK500 and STK600
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:40:31 < FreezingCold> you only need one
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:41:16 < shox_> i dont know much about PIC yet. i have an IC here, that i'd really want to read
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:41:33 < shox_> its a 12h629
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:41:40 < Oscillate> this is a nice read http://analogue-heaven.1065350.n5.nabble.com/Op-amp-rolling-OB-Xa-Polaris-RM203-Prophet-VS-td50951.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:42:00 < shox_> do you think it would be possible to read it out? even though its a custom ordered processor?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:42:47 < FreezingCold> shox_: they may have enabled read protection
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:42:53 < shox_> 12F629*
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:43:10 < shox_> i guess so, but i'll give it a try
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:44:25 < shox_> :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:06 < theBear> what door ? oven door ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:15 < ohsix> butt door
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:18 < jaggz> car
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:54:30 < FreezingCold> huh, why is my voltage regulator only putting 2.85V instead of 3.3V?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:34 < jaggz> what what. in the truck
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:34 < theBear> mmm, 50w is a bit high, but interior lights add up
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:54:46 < theBear> FreezingCold, what is input voltage and are you overheating/currenting it ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:54:59 < theBear> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:55:03 < theBear> what what
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:55:30 < FreezingCold> oh, I have to put a load on it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:55:30 < theBear> anyway, i'm exhausted from coffee and breakfast, i'm gonna have a little rest on the couch :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:55:41 < FreezingCold> I threw an LED on it and now it's up to 3.2834V
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T04:55:45 < FreezingCold> much better
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:55:48 < theBear> oh yeah, min and max current can be an issue
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T04:56:56 < zigggggy> bear!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:09:19 < FreezingCold> VDD is +3.3V and VSS is gnd right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:10:09  * FreezingCold checks
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:10:12 < FreezingCold> yeah looks like I'm right
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:12:54 < LeelooMinai> I had this idea of making nice shelves/cabinets for my ee stuff for cheap, and it's 4th day I am doing them (few hours per day, but still)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:14:28 < FreezingCold> hmm, trying to find a diagram about which pins I should connect to my PIC32 and my PICKIT2
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:19:09 < FreezingCold> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001168F.pdf <- page 4
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:19:52 < bcsllc> FreezingCold, yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:20:02 < FreezingCold> bcsllc: yes what?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:20:35 < bcsllc> FreezingCold, pin1 of pickit is vPGM
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:20:38 < FreezingCold> oh it looks like  PGED1 and PGEC1 is what I want
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:20:43 < FreezingCold> bcsllc: no, it's MCLR
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:20:54 < bcsllc> yeah same thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:21:12 < bcsllc> and a pair of the data and clock
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:21:21 < bcsllc> PGED1 2 3 4
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:21:22 < bcsllc> etc
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:21:36 < FreezingCold> I'm using a PICKIT2 to program it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:22:07 < ohsix> OR ARE YOU
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:22:14 < FreezingCold> AM I?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:22:23 < ohsix> that's not how that bit works
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:23:04 < FreezingCold> :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:23:18 < MjrTom> in Soviet russia, microchip uses pickit to program YOU!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:23:49 < FreezingCold> hmmm, do you think I actually need to connect the grounds together or na?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:23:49 < ohsix> all this pic talk is probably making sabotender feel insecure
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:23:51 < ohsix> where did he go
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:07 < bcsllc> FreezingCold, i would
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:24:12 < JFK911> my wife left me so i got wendys
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:23 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:24:24 < bcsllc> at least gnd is the chip is already powered
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:24:24 < JFK911> also i can stay up all night
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:27 < FreezingCold> ohhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: she went to grandmas for easter
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:33 < FreezingCold> I thought you meant left as in LEFT
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:24:42 < FreezingCold> like taking half your money left
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:25:03 < MjrTom> prenupts people... prenupts!
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:25:50 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: those don't stand in court for child support
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:25:55 < FreezingCold> and the wife gets the kids, so it still sucks
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:26:13 < JFK911> if wife went crazy i'd take the kid
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:26:13 < FreezingCold> it only works if you're smart enough not to have kids
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:26:15 < MjrTom> sometimes the kids go to the parent with the money
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:26:31 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: if the wife wants the kids and is not bat-shit crazy, she gets the kids
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:26:35 < MjrTom> so what about mclr?  what are we working on solving here?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:26:47 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: just hooking up an old school pickit2 to a PIC32
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:28:18 < Oscillate> http://youtu.be/RC7qa5R1_3A
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:29:26 < ohsix> wendy's is p. good
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:29:38 < JFK911> ohsix yeah we never fry stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:29:38 < ohsix> i don't see most of what they sell as fast food
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:29:54 < MjrTom> ok FreezingCold, that's the activity, but whats the problem?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:30:01 < JFK911> no fooling it is a qsr
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:30:04 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: none yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:30:15 < MjrTom> sweet
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:30:34 < ohsix> sometimes the kids go with the parent with the cool moustache
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:33:22 < MjrTom> but, if it's cool then it's a 'stache
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:33:29 < JFK911> ive been thinking im going to get a rabbit as a surprise pet
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:33:39 < MjrTom> rabbits are awesome pets
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:33:53 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:33:55 < JFK911> i know and we're used to having everything kidproof
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:34:05 < FreezingCold> I just found out my entire project was running at 1MHz instead of 8MHz
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:34:09 < FreezingCold> why would I do that....?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:34:18 < JFK911> because you didnt understand the clock divider?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:34:44 < JFK911> i know you want to jump in but each of the 1450 pages of the mcu datasheet have important information
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:35:06 < FreezingCold> JFK911: no, I just set it to 1MHz
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:35:13 < FreezingCold> #use delay (clock = 1MHz)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:35:17 < FreezingCold> instead of #use delay (clock = 8MHz)
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:35:32 < JFK911> are you sure you know whats going on
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T05:36:53 < FreezingCold> lol yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:37:49 < Seeker`> finally think I've finished my switch mode power supply layout
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:38:32 < IanWizard-Cloud> Anyone in here worked with EMT with compression fittings?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T05:38:49 < JFK911> emt what?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:05:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, with 1000 people on there, and talk talk everyday, 24 hours non stop, with planty of useful info and exchanges - all about GPUs
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:05:35 < MjrTom> you could try searching with your client for gpu in the channel list
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:05:39 < ohsix> pci memory and bandwidth is low, jobs are hard
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:06:06 < FreezingCold> there isn't a cuda or opencl channel?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:06:25 < MjrTom> try searching the channel list
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:06:27 < R0b0t1> ackpacket: Depends on your gpu. It's a resource and you're wanting to use it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:06:31 < FreezingCold> Yeah there's #cuda and #opencl
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:06:34 < FreezingCold> no need to search lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:06:40 < LeelooMinai> Then the channels branches into sub-channels, 100 people at least each, deticxted to each GPU code-name
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:06:54 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: both of those channels are sub 100
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:07:06 < ohsix> i'm assuming you know the boring shit like the API and how to do the work already
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:07:21 < ackpacket> yeah i'm trying to squeeze every last drop of speed out of it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:07:23 < hjf> like ##fpga and ##vhdl
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:07:26 < hjf> i mean dude
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:07:27 < ackpacket> like cleaning your soup bowl with a piece of bread XD
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:07:33 < FreezingCold> ackpacket: What are you writing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:07:43 < ackpacket> FreezingCold: image recognition project
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:08:52 < MjrTom> continuous or batched?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:15:38 < ackpacket> I suppose so but we haven't been trained to use them
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:15:51 < ohsix> they can help you track stalls and figure out how to make getting the data to the gpu efficient
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:16:07 < ohsix> ehhh then you're lucky, you can use them to do most of the work
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:16:41 < FreezingCold> yay getting segfaults
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:18:38 < ohsix> isn't it super disappointing to find out that the bulk of something is all managerial bullshit and not the actual task??//
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:39:19 < ohsix> you can buy a router that is supported by openwrt and do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:39:24 < JEntrep> nice little 2.4/5 GHz transceiver board
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:39:24 < FreezingCold> huh, did I update my kernel or something...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:39:28 < JEntrep> but this is more hacking fun
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:39:52 < ohsix> well, theres' nothing in the way of just digging into it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:40:14 < JEntrep> too much of a noob
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:40:59 < FreezingCold> maybe this beta is just shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:41:04  * FreezingCold downgrades
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:41:48 < ohsix> JEntrep: basically the jtag port lets you enumerate all the devices, usually their edges, and sometimes flash explicitly to be able to program them or debug them through it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:41:53 < JEntrep> would they solder in the board holes for jtag?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:42:22 < JEntrep> socket?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:42:24 < ohsix> they usually leave pads or holes for a header in, yea
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:43:12 < FreezingCold> oh I think it's some path problem
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:45:37 < ohsix> i don't think anyone knows what you're talking about FreezingCold
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:45:58 < FreezingCold> yeah I'm just randomly talking out loud
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T06:46:02 < FreezingCold> I've been doing that a lot lately
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T06:46:05 < JEntrep> anyone ever hear of a 4 pin jtag pin out?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:10:42 < JEntrep> oh its the signal for the memory controller?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:10:43 < IanWizard-Cloud> JEntrep: it signals that there is data to be written.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:10:50 < LeelooMinai> JEntrep: yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:10:55 < FreezingCold> oh god why is libreoffice so slow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:10:56 < JEntrep> Well you have DQS and DQ Lines
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:11:04 < JEntrep> which means the Q has nothing to do with the strobe part
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:11:10 < IanWizard-Cloud> FreezingCold: because it's running.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:11:19 < IanWizard-Cloud> killall -9 will solve that
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:11:21 < ohsix> JEntrep: right, i said that already
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:39:24 < ohsix> you are the only one that wasn't here to read it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:39:37 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: No, that was aftermath
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:40:05 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: What happened was my asking innocent question, and you trying to be smarter-by-default and assuming things about my knowledge
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:40:07 < FreezingCold> LOL Google
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:40:12 < FreezingCold> they put a $100,000 job as "entry level"
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:40:13 < FreezingCold> hahaha
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:40:20 < ohsix> 'food gone wrong' is an entry on the youtube homepage
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:40:37 < FreezingCold> http://www.workopolis.com/jobsearch/job/15008048?uc=E0&searchFragment=cl%3D%257C2%257C%26lg%3DEN%26ak%3D%257Cembedded%257C
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:40:39 < FreezingCold> good lawls there
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:40:42 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: 'is that really how you see it?' this wasn't another game where we position ourselves, they never are
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:41:00 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: if you feel inferior to people that's your own making, nobody is out there to place you in some strata
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:41:53 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: On the other hand, I think you somehow feel superior and it shows, though you may think otherwise
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:42:06 < ohsix> that may be true
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:42:11 < JEntrep> FreezingCold: why is that lawls?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:42:25 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: You mean you did not start from $100k? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:42:30 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:42:43 < ohsix> thank you for pointing it out, i honestly think that sometimes we're trying to hilight something the other person is doing for whatever reason
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:42:45 < FreezingCold> and they also consider entry level as 2 years of experience
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:42:52 < ohsix> and they complement eachother and it's turtles all the way down
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:43:17 < JEntrep> lol look at those 'entry level' skills
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:44:55 < ohsix> i know enough about AI to completely destroy any curiosity i had about the subject
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:45:05 < JEntrep> ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:45:21 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: it's google. all of them plus being front page news material is needed
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T07:45:36 < FreezingCold> and then you have to pass the interview test which is insane from what I hear
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:45:37 < JEntrep> When you learn about something you always end up going: Oh, so that's what this was.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:45:37 < LeelooMinai> Anyone that spent more that a year on IRC knows all there is about AI:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T07:45:43 < JEntrep> And then enter a state of mild depression
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:11:14 < ohsix> i hope these curious new people aren't put off by us being dicks
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:12:11 < FreezingCold> Is alcohol a decent replacement for flux?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:12:30 < ohsix> no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:13:00 < mobiledj> hello
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:13:08 < mobiledj> 22:09] <mobiledj> I'm trying to understand gain staging in powered speakers, particularly how does peak/clip relate to the treble and bass EQ on the back of the speaker [22:10] <mobiledj> I have a powered speaker thats acting strangely, I can turn it up to right before it peaks/clips out, if I push it further it will go into thermal protect [22:10] <mobiledj> then I cna turn the onboard EQs for bass and treble (only EQs on the
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:13:18 < ohsix> FreezingCold: it might clean stuff but flux keeps it from corroding where you work
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:13:19 < FreezingCold> ohsix: will it help at all?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:13:23 < ohsix> mobiledj: way to paste
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:13:23 < mobiledj> without peaking [22:12] <mobiledj> it seems like the "max volume" (actual loudness) it can output would be constant, anyway I can get the same volume as the EQs up without coloring the sound so much? [22:12] <mobiledj> hope that all makes sense : / [22:12] == MKCoin [mk@unaffiliated/mk/x-7191235] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:13:29 < ohsix> FreezingCold: it won't do what flux does
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:14:00 < bunder> if both parts are clean from oxidization, i don't see why flux is necessary at all
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:15:39 < mobiledj> noted :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:15:42 < ohsix> i'm only talking about myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:15:44 < hoverboard> (;
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:15:51 < FreezingCold> Does this thing output 3.3V or does it require 3.3V? http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251460640130?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:16:04 < ohsix> pasting something implies you're doing a massive spray and not actually paying attention if i were to expend effort to answer
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:16:17 < FreezingCold> it seems like it's just a MAX3232
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:16:18 < ohsix> and this has been borne out a bunch of times, anecdotes to you, of course; but it's a good rule for me
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:16:22 < JFK911> mobiledj: did you see the movie where howard stern had sex with a lady through a speaker? do you think thats real?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:16:39 < mobiledj> I have not...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:17:36 < ohsix> it is past irc curfew
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:17:38 < ohsix> night
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:17:45 < mobiledj> heres what I dont get, I set my speaker so it's right below max volume
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:17:48 < FreezingCold> ugh it looks like I need a 3.3V supply
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:18:01 < mobiledj> then if i turn up, say, the bass EQ on my mixer, the speaker clips ( this is what I would expect)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:18:24 < mobiledj> yet if i leave that alone and turn up the bass eq ON THE POWERED SPEAKER ITSELF, it gets much louder and does NOT clip
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:18:59 < JFK911> so you found out you can cause clipping in the middle
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:19:06 < mobiledj> im almost wondering if they just wired a potentiometer between the amplifier and each cone (tweeter/treble and bass/woofer) and having it below max turns amp power into massive amounts of heat?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:20:25 < FreezingCold> Can you steal enough power off a DB9 connector to power a MAX232?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:22:32 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Well, if you don't need the handshake lines for the actual comms, *possibly*...
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:22:56 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I'm wondering how they managed to pull this off : www.ebay.ca/itm/Arduino-DB9-RS232-RF-Wireless-Bluetooth-Module-HC-06-Slave-Serial-Port-/310733714945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48592c3601
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:24:22 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Probably parasitic-powered (not sure)..
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:24:46 < Flea86> wait there's a 4-pin header on the back?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:25:14 < FreezingCold> oh there is
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:25:23 < Flea86> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:25:49 < Flea86> 35mA is probably too much current for the parasitic option :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:26:13 < FreezingCold> so none of those bluetooth rs232 modules can be powered parasitically?\
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:26:29 < mobiledj> not clipping in the middle perse
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:26:49 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Doubt it
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:27:02 < mobiledj> bascially I can produce the same sound at the same volume, but depending on which knobs I use to get there it sometimes will and sometimes will not clip the amp in the speaker
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:27:12 < Flea86> FreezingCold: USB otoh no problem
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:27:34 < FreezingCold> Flea86: yeah I'll probably get a USB breakout board with a 3.3V onboard
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:27:56 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Does it have to be bluetooth? Why not IR or really-low-power RF instead (if parasitic needed)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:28:53 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I had a fun idea to connect an unlimited number of RS232 (DB9) devices to a router or low powered Linux/Android device
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:28:56 < mobiledj> heres some info on the speaker, this is for a similar one with bluetooth but the "guts" that handle the amplification and playback are the same
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:29:19 < FreezingCold> USB <-> RS232 (DB) modules are an option, but wiring 5+ devices in a room gets ugly fast
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:29:34 < mobiledj> OPERATIONS MANUAL – M2000 Professional ABS Molded Loudspeaker Introduction: Congratulations on your purchase of an M-2000 powered loudspeaker, engineered and manufactured by BriteLite Enterprises. The M-2000 includes a high-output compression driver, and 15” woofer to produce an even, smooth studio quality sound in a sound reinforcement speaker. Our design goal was to build a speaker with accurate playback, smooth dispersi
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:29:39 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Sure
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:30:15 < mobiledj> Functions: 1. USB Port 2. SD/MMC Port 3. LCD Display 4. Press this button to PAUSE. Press for 2-3 seconds to return to the MENU
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:27 < mobiledj> OPERATIONS MANUAL – M2000 Professional ABS Molded Loudspeaker Introduction: Congratulations on your purchase of an M-2000 powered loudspeaker, engineered and manufactured by BriteLite Enterprises. The M-2000 includes a high-output compression driver, and 15” woofer to produce an even, smooth studio quality sound in a sound reinforcement speaker. Our design goal was to build a speaker with accurate playback, smooth dispersi
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:30 < mobiledj> Functions: 1. USB Port 2. SD/MMC Port 3. LCD Display 4. Press this button to PAUSE. Press for 2-3 seconds to return to the MENU
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:32 < mobiledj> 5. Press this button to return to the start of the previous track 6. Press this button to skip to the beginning of the next track. 7. Mode button, to switch between USB/SD or FM/Bluetooth function. Press for two to three seconds to select EO/PLAY MODE/LANGUAGE. When paused in USB/SD mode, press button for two or three seconds to select a folder, then select the audio file.
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:34:32 < FreezingCold> jesus
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:34 < MasterAccurate> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:34 < mobiledj> 8. Press to raise the Digital Audio Player’s volume. In folder mode, press to skip to the previous page. 9. Press to lower the Digital Audio Player's volume. In folder mode, press to skip to the previous page. 10. MIC IN: Use XLR or 1/4" jack connector balanced or unbalanced.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:36 < mobiledj> 11. LINE IN: Use RCA or XLR connector balanced or unbalanced. 12. LINE OUT: Use this connector to daisy-chain several active speakers together from the same signal source. 13. MIC LEVEL: Control the output volume when using a microphone. 14. LINE LEVEL: Control the output volume for LINE level inputs.
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:34:37 < FreezingCold> why the hell are you still talking?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:37 < MasterAccurate> OMFG
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:38 < mobiledj> 15. MASTER: Controls the output volume. 16. TREBLE: Raise or attenuate highs at 12dB @ 12 KHz frequency. 17. BASS: Raise or attenuate lows at 12dB @ 80Hz frequency.
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:34:41 < FreezingCold> SHUT THE FUCK UP
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:41 < mobiledj> 18. PEAK: LED illuminates when a clipped signal is present. Reduce volume to avoid distorted sound. 19. Power Indicator 20. Power Supply Switch 21. Voltage Selector: Adjust AC Power between 115V and 230V
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:43 < mobiledj> 22. Power Supply Input Connector: Use with power cord. 23. FM RADIO with antenna. 24. Remote Control
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:47 < mobiledj> the controls that dont affect 18 - peak are 15 - treble and 17-bass
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:47 < MasterAccurate> looooooooooooooooooool
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:34:47 < FreezingCold> !ops mobiledj fuck off
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:50 < mobiledj> hopefully that clarifies things?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:54 < mobiledj> hmm, not sure how to post an image here (back of speaker)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:34:56 < FreezingCold> NO
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:34:57 < mobiledj> http://www.brandsmartusa.com/pdfs/manuals/20162797.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:35:02 < mobiledj> ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:35:08 < FreezingCold> what's next, you gonna post an image in base64 in the channel?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:35:13 < veek> Ooo kill him kill him
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:35:13 < mobiledj> trying to bump my question since more people came in
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:35:32 < MasterAccurate> mobiledj, not at morning please
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:36:49 < Duzz_> like agree?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:37:02 < mobiledj> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:37:04 < FreezingCold> mobiledj: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2sCSRF0R
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:37:12 < veek> as in raise from obscurity
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:37:29 < mobiledj> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2sCSRF0R just displays as garbage characters?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:38:56 < mobiledj> question: how do I control what part of gain staging does and does not affect clipping, so I can increase volume without highly coloring the sound with my EQ on my powered speaker (which appears to apply EQ POST-amplification?)
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:40:40 < mobiledj> hmm now I have a tab called freezingcold thats full or the same stuff as http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2sCSRF0R, coming in line by line : /
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:42:20 < FreezingCold> mobiledj: did it finish?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:42:30 < FreezingCold> [01:41:49] * Ping reply from FreezingCold: 26.21 second(s)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:42:32 < FreezingCold> gonna guess and say no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:42:44 < mobiledj> i think so
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:42:45 < ohsix> o man i forgot i put off something last night, no irc curfew tonight
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:42:48 < mobiledj> it stopped flashing red
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:43:05 < mobiledj> what are al lthe garbage characters for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:43:12 < mobiledj> just fills up tab with useless text...
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:43:14 < ohsix> mobiledj: the input section can clip, the actual speaker clipping would mean bottoming out on the frame
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2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:43:49 < FreezingCold> mobiledj: has it stopped?
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:43:51 < FreezingCold> I've completely disconnected so it shouldn't be sending anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:43:55 < mobiledj> hmm, so the peak light means im clipping the inputs, not the amp built into the speaker?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:44:01 < mobiledj> it stopped now
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:44:03 < ohsix> whatare you actually asking, if it clips it clips
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:44:03 < FreezingCold> [01:43:24] * Ping reply from FreezingCold: 17.72 second(s)
2014-04.log:2014-04-18T08:44:11 < FreezingCold> jesus, why is my internet so lagging?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:44:29 < mobiledj> what i'm asking is WHY it clips at low volume if i turn the onboard EQ down, but I can push it much louder if i turn the onboard EQ to max
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T08:44:46 < mobiledj> I would like to get the same loud output by turning up the master, so I dont color the sound so badly
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T10:18:32 < LeelooMinai> "The single-ended standard can be further divided into internally ratioed standards such as LVCMOS, and externally referenced standards
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:53:13 < corecode_> well
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:53:33 < Polesch> I just watched a video on amplifiers, and all they spoke of was increasing the voltage. If that was all, why not just use a transformer?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:53:36 < Polesch> Haha.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:53:57 < SpeedEvil> Polesch: becasue transformers decrease current if increasing voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:54:00 < SpeedEvil> power remains the same
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:54:05 < Polesch> Of course
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:58:12 < SpeedEvil> That seems unlikely
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:58:32 < SpeedEvil> 99.999999% of mobile phones are designed to drive 32 ohm loads.
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T12:58:45 < Polesch> Which is sufficient to give a loud and clear sound in the speaker when connected directly, no amplifier.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T20:59:16 < Polesch> Norway.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T20:59:52 < Polesch> Even have to verify my organization number before the order can be processed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-18T21:00:18 < Polesch> Something to do with liability?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T21:00:37 < Polesch> Might use the parts to make a nuclear bomb?
2014-04.log-2014-04-18T21:00:40  * kfoltman makes a mental note to not move to Norway
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T01:08:45 < Seeker`> Excel reckons it'll be within -0.16v @ -5 in, 3.32v @ 5v in
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:40:17 < GPF_1> where ever you see the little intersections, those are actually jumping around that trunk.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:40:43 < GPF_1> but you need the wire numbers in the cable so you can trace their destination.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:40:48 < solid_liq> JFK911, lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:41:08 < jaggz-> this is weird.. drand48() is returning very non-random numbers.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:58:27 < GPF_1>  if you burn to fast the impression was lite.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:58:39 < CoolBeer> hjf: But yeah, for CD audio it makes no difference(unless you are running into buffer underruns, but that's a totally different story(and moot with underrun protection).
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:58:44 < Seeker`> jaggz-: I think you'll be find just using urandom for everything
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T03:58:52 < FreezingCold> yeah urandom is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:59:09 < hjf> CoolBeer: my cd burner didn't have underrun protection! HP CD Writer+ 7200!
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:59:09 < GPF_1>  my kid found that out that even the 1x would only play a few times before they crapped out.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T03:59:20 < FreezingCold> there's also frandom by some Israeli dude too
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:59:32 < GPF_1>  there as some hardware mod to be made.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T03:59:38 < GPF_1> to the player.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T05:41:15 < Alan410> ohsix: Nope, doesn't get warm at all
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T05:58:11 < IanWizard-Cloud> I'm fairly certain I can get a fair amount of life back out of them if I properly recondition them.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T05:58:23 < IanWizard-Cloud> But it's such a process.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T05:59:36 < Hyratel> it is quite tedious
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T05:59:57 < yggdrasili> !seen utmc
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:00:04 < yggdrasili> !seen umtc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:05:37 < JFK911> i put 1kHz in thru the antenna
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:05:57 < JFK911> ofc it could start screwing up with a load
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:08:34 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, my modem and router pull 11 watts
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:08:47 < FreezingCold> wonder if I should buy a UPS
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:10:12 < Hyratel> FreezingCold, you can get native 12v UPS units
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:10:21 < Hyratel> Belkin makes (made?) one
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:10:50 < bulaia> word
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:14:10 < FreezingCold> I'm debating if it's worth it since I can just watch porn for an hour or something on my laptop while I wait for the power to go back on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:14:55 < mrdata_> what if power remains out for more than an hour?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:15:09 < Alan410> Hey ohsix, do I need the 5n for this
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:15:12 < Alan410> http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/schems/smashdrive.gif
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:15:22 < FreezingCold> mrdata_: I guess I could use my phone, but it's pretty crappy to be honest
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:16:16 < mrdata_> UPS can be good; but make sure to get one of sufficient size that it does its job
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:16:28 < mrdata_> i got them too small
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:17:54 < mrdata_> if i were to get another,
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:18:00 < mrdata_> i'd up this to 24 hrs
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:18:27 < FreezingCold> yeahh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:19:05 < mrdata> part of it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:19:13 < mrdata> the rate of discharge
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:19:26 < mrdata> i stressed mine out, too much, reducing its life
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:20:13 < FreezingCold> ughhh, I hate it when eBay sellers claim they're from Hong Kong but are actually from mainland China
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:20:15 < FreezingCold> so frigging annoying
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:20:37 < FreezingCold> I paid an extra whole $0.02USD to get it from a Hong Kong seller! -.-
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:29:46 < hjf> how to make your internet faster: http://i.imgur.com/jzyQffy.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:33:55 < FreezingCold> oh nice nice nice nice, it looks like PIC32 might have a decent toolkit out there =o
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:35:01 < JFK911> hee hee hee roundeye sucka!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:35:23 < FreezingCold> they've got gdb support
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:35:35 < FreezingCold> ...which shouldn't this much of a shock, but with microchip it is lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:35:51 < JFK911> whats the appeal of pic32
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:36:21 < JFK911> do you want to brag to your grandchildren that you're the only one who remembers it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:36:26 < Xark> JFK911: Up to ~233Mhz, 32-bit and nice MIPS architecture.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:36:36 < JFK911> oh it's real mips?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:36:51 < Xark> JFK911: Yes, licensed MIPS (with a few enhancements).
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:37:08 < FreezingCold> Yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:37:13 < FreezingCold> i
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:37:23 < FreezingCold> *I'm surprised I never heard of it until now
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:37:27 < JFK911> what, mips?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:37:31 < FreezingCold> seems like I can tell their IDE to fuck off
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:37:34 < Xark> Only reason I haven't loved it is because Microchip are generally buttheads. :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:37:48 < JFK911> they are generous with the samples
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:37:50 < Flea86> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:37:55 < Flea86> @Xark
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:37:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: you can say thata gain
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:38:26 < JFK911> <microchip.com> HA HA HA WE LIED TO YOU IT'S ACTUALLY FREE OF CHARGE
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:38:40 < FreezingCold> stupid question, what exactly does JTAG mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:38:59 < FreezingCold> it's not RS232 at TTL levels right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:06 < JFK911> joint test application group?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:10 < JFK911> something like that.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:21 < JFK911> certainly not rs232
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:29 < JFK911> theres a CLOCK LINE
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:33 < yggdrasili> joint photographic expert group
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:39:38 < JFK911> that means synchronus
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:39:46 < Flea86> FreezingCold: It was originally intended as a means to *test* large-scale integrated circuits, turned out to be even more useful than that...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:40:21 < Xark> FreezingCold: It has its own protocol, kind of similar to SPI (but you generally shift in really long bit sequences to internal registers).
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:40:25 < hjf> FreezingCold: eh... http://blog.hjf.com.ar/2013/01/developing-for-pic32mx-using-eclipse/
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:40:37 < FreezingCold> hjf: yeah either you or someone else shared that awhile back
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:40:49 < FreezingCold> I already have it bookmarked
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:41:23 < hjf> FreezingCold: at the bottom it says how to use gdb
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:41:39 < Xark> Hmm, I need to dust off my Fubarino (PIC32 based little board) and try that at some point.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:41:42  * Xark also bookmarks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:42:19 < JFK911> i found a box of components i havent checked into stock
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:42:25 < JFK911> nice to sit under my desk for a year :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:42:40 < JFK911> i probably ordered half of them again
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:42:49 < FreezingCold> hjf: yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:42:54 < Flea86> JFK911: I always hate it when that happens.. end up double-ordering :c
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:44:35 < FreezingCold> JFK911: do you have a database of everything you own?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:45:59 < madist> FreezingCold: you don't!!!!!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:46:05 < FreezingCold> I should
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:46:06 < FreezingCold> but I don't
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:46:10 < madist> errr that should have been don't?????
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:46:37 < madist> FreezingCold: ask LeelooMinai to sell you a licence to her software
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:47:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: no, thats a problem
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:47:09 < FreezingCold> what database format does she use?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:47:18 < madist> FreezingCold: she wrote her own
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:47:21 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I was debating making a database for my clothes
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:47:29 < FreezingCold> with photos too
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:47:29 < JFK911> yeah you should do it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:47:32 < JFK911> and use barcode labels
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:48:09 < madist> and 7 sets of underwear
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:48:13 < madist> (of course)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:48:29 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: It's SQL database based - free mssql express and the rest is Java/Eclipse platform
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:48:38 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i have an inventory system but its for a specific purpose and it knows about lead times and tries to prevent exhaustion
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:48:54 < JFK911> FreezingCold: all you have to do is create a table in any sql database
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:48:57 < madist> LeelooMinai: post a screenshot
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:49:01 < FreezingCold> JFK911: no, RFID/NFC is a much better idea
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:49:06 < FreezingCold> barcodes are so 2002
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:49:22 < JFK911> rfid has no bling
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:49:24 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: heh, you're a java person?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:49:49 < FreezingCold> that surprises me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:02 < madist> java stinks
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:02 < BrightCloud> but
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:36 < hjf> so some idiot in a facebook discussion tried to call me an ignorant
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:39 < madist> linux is for l0sers
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:42 < hjf> because he was an audiophool
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:50:47 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: No idea what a "java person" is:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:49 < hjf> and i q uestioned the price of used vinyls
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:50:54 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: http://i.imgur.com/d7F8Kyu.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:50:55 < JFK911> thats why i runemacs.exe madist
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:51:03 < hjf> and he goes like "pfft, if you don't have a good hi fi system, don't even try"
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:51:15 < hjf> so i list my dad's hi-fi and he had to shut the fuck up
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:51:21 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: wow, that looks nicer than I expected.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:51:26 < JFK911> hjf he has the marantz 4400?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:51:32 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: what library are you using for the GUI?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:51:36 < hjf> JFK911: :P he has a Grundig V2000
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:51:44 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: The Eclipse stuff - SWT
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:51:53 < FreezingCold> SWT is still alive?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:51:56 < JFK911> hjf: wow that one is very plain
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:06 < JFK911> hjf: whats its drivers?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:13 < madist> audiophiles appreciate minimalism
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:20 < LeelooMinai> It's thin layer on top of native controls, so it looks pretty much as any other Windows app
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:23 < madist> that's why I connect my pickup directly to my speakers
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:41 < hjf> JFK911: Technics SB-1990
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:52:45 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: I wrote it like 2 yeras ago - now I just use it:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:52:50 < JFK911> hjf: no i mean does it have jfets or what
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:06 < JFK911> http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/9483/4400dsc01810sm9ja.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:12 < JFK911> how audiophile is this
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:53:18 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: was JFK911 joking when you said you license it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:24 < JFK911> i didnt say that
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:30 < madist> they had blue LEDs in the 70s ????
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:31 < hjf> JFK911: ah. i dont remember, i burned the output once. they were TO-220 BJTs
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:53:34 < madist> rad dude!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:53:45 < FreezingCold> [23:46:01] <madist> FreezingCold: ask LeelooMinai to sell you a licence to her software
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:53:51 < FreezingCold> JFK911: sorry, it was madist
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:53:51 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Yes, because it's only for my personal usage - I don't do open source stuff
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:53:58 < FreezingCold> wut?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:54:02 < FreezingCold> you don't do open source stuff?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:54:04 < FreezingCold> wtf LeelooMinai ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:54:06 < JFK911> LeelooMinai: if someone wants to buy it you should sell it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:54:11 < LeelooMinai> Or free stuff or whatever - too much overhead:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:54:23 < JFK911> LeelooMinai: you can capitalize here on his unwillingness to select and insert for himself
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:54:44  * hjf rips embarassing CDs... now Charlotte Church 
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:54:50 < JFK911> LeelooMinai: make sure there is no support in the price and youve converted it to a continuous source of cash
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:55:00  * madist did not know there was a Dolby for FM.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:55:06 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: just throw it up on github or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:55:19 < JFK911> madist: it was probably a scam.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:55:31 < LeelooMinai> Man, you people think like Ferengi - everything has to be profit:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:55:59 < JFK911> its not about profit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:56:08 < hjf> it's about getting paid for having fun
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:56:21 < JFK911> yeah get a little from the work you did
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:56:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, getting paid involves reposibilities
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T06:56:30 < JFK911> even though someone would sit here and teach FreezingCold how to sql for free
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T06:56:50 < hjf> what the shit. i was trying to download an album (from 1998) and its available in FLAC 24/96 from a MONO VINYL
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:12:07 < FreezingCold> man, why are there so many russian open source programmers?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:12:45 < LeelooMinai> Because Russians are very practical:)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:13:45 < LeelooMinai> And also, it's cold there - so what are they going to do... Sit home and program:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:14:03 < LeelooMinai> Coutries with cold climate have best programmers:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:14:06 < FreezingCold> hahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:14:12 < FreezingCold> wait, what about cali?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:14:15 < LeelooMinai> No, seriously:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:14:17 < FreezingCold> What's wrong with them?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:14:28 < LeelooMinai> Nothing - they just have good AC
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:14:31 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: I am amazed how they can *think* let alone code in such extremes.. ;-)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:16:11 < intranick> "i think its time for a little story.. it's definately story time.."
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:16:33 < LeelooMinai> Now countries with hot climate - meh... can you imagine thinking in 40 deg C?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:17:28 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: O, btw - is you sdram ddr on that board of yours?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:17:34 < FreezingCold> Iceland is a neat place
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:17:56 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: I would argue that either extreme is hard. Probably academic too since I can only operate optimally within a narrow temp range :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:18:05 < LeelooMinai> Man, I would play EVE Online again... if I had unlimited time
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:18:50 < jaggz-> something's running sshd and git-receive-pack and git-upload-pack on my computer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:32:42 < LeelooMinai> Because when I wrote it, I designed it to be extensible thtough the GUI itself
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:32:47 < MasterAccurate> wireshark is nice for other things :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:32:52 < MjrTom> get it right the first time - I like your style :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:33:14 < FreezingCold> jaggz-: what?? wireshark is the easiest thing ever
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:33:16 < MjrTom> extensible through the GUI hmm?  thats pretty neat
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:33:21 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, also - get it right while you can still think and are not too senile:p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:53:56 < push[EAX]> any govt agency who wants your online credentials will get it from your ISP
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:54:07 < push[EAX]> sounds to me like you're worried about something on your machine
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:54:08 < MjrTom> really, everybody should be using OpenSSL... after all; it's always been secure ... NSA can't get through that!! nope... not at all!  ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:54:36 < FreezingCold> k, we need to ban talking about openssl here
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:54:45 < LeelooMinai> MasterAccurate: Still, I probably used Linux when you were climbing a ladder to get to your piss pot:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:54:46 < FreezingCold> we've said everything possible
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:54:48 < MasterAccurate> I am not worried... it is very funny to hear people say, they are secure on windows behind some hardware router ^^ thats a real joke
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:54:58 < MjrTom> nobody ever said what I said before  ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:55:07 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: dude, I have a firewall to protect the heartbleed virus
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:10 < intranick> LeelooMinai: that doesnt mean you were ever good at it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:55:20 < FreezingCold> god that makes me twitch
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:55:29 < FreezingCold> I've heard so many people say "heartbleed virus" in the past week
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:30 < push[EAX]> the only secure box is a broken computer put into a metal shreder and melted by a magnetic furnace
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:34 < MasterAccurate> SSL? NSA can read SSL connection decrypted
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:55:36 < FreezingCold> IT'S NOT A FUCKING VIRUS
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:42 < HTT-Bird> push[EAX]: yeah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:45 < MasterAccurate> but it seems like you kids don't know that
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:55:48 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: yeah, drives me nuts too
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:52 < MjrTom> push[EAX] I used to hack those...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:55:58 < push[EAX]> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:02 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: the worst part is that I'm not even in this convos, I'm just overhearing them
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:56:03 < HTT-Bird> MasterAccurate: they can always play MITM :P heck, my proxy at work does it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:05 < FreezingCold> i can't avoid it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:56:13 < HTT-Bird> err, the proxy at work
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:56:21 < push[EAX]> MjrTom: M-C M-X M-Butterfly
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:25 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: What's your proxy protocol?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:34 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: no idea how the one at work is set up
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:48 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: give me an IP, your username and password and I'll check for you
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:56:56 < FreezingCold> pinky swear I won't do anything bad
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:57:00 < MasterAccurate> arp spoofing is a nice toy ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:57:12 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: sorry, no
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:57:19 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: you know, I've always had trouble with arpspoofing
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:57:22 < FreezingCold> I tend to take my network down :S
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:57:24 < MjrTom> lol push[EAX]... I'd forgotten that - had to look it up :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:57:35 < HTT-Bird> you're on the wrong side of the topology for one
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:57:54 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: we can vnc in together
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:57:59 < MasterAccurate> I am rejecting all requests send by my ISP
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:58:01 < JFK911> i should have bought more than one giant 8 ohm resistor
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:58:14 < MasterAccurate> thats good for security ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:58:27 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: like DCMA requests?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:58:32 < HTT-Bird> http://avherald.com/h?article=4731d084&opt=0
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:58:44 < HTT-Bird> just to lighten the tone up slightly
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:58:45 < FreezingCold> My ISP ignores them I think
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:58:49 < FreezingCold> I haven't gotten a letter in years
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:58:51 < MasterAccurate> FreezingCold, I have over 100 requests in a minute
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:59:01 < FreezingCold> oh we're talking about something else
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T08:59:05 < FreezingCold> MasterAccurate: what kind of requests/
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T08:59:12 < MasterAccurate> all kind of requests
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T09:00:07 < JFK911> http://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-Dale/RBSF15008R000KGB00/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlubZbdhIBIJHXAVcxvMc%252bizlTpENtlBM%3d
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T09:00:10 < JFK911> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T09:34:04 < MasterAccurate> hmmm sleeping for another hour... cya
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T09:37:26 < FreezingCold> Are large LED screens usually RS232?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:35:27 < password2> bleh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:35:38 < JFK911> it could be because they bought 100s/1000s of components
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:35:45 < Polesch> Sure, that too.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:36:07 < FreezingCold> JFK911: and the engineer in god knows where is willing to work for $10/hour
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:36:24 < Polesch> But a $19 amplifier won't have nichicon, vishay and toshiba etc. At least I don't think so.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:36:33 < Polesch> Faichild/ST etc.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:36:51 < Polesch> Should open it and see!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:51:55 < yggdrasili> there might be a website with that funcionality
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:51:55 < password2> write it myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:52:09 < password2> i don't like such things on server side
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:52:15 < FreezingCold> huh interesting
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:52:16 < FreezingCold> http://jubatian.com/articles/turning-on-optimizations-in-microchips-xc32/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:52:19 < password2> because my internet isoften crappy
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:52:22 < FreezingCold> I wonder if that's legal or not
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:52:26 < FreezingCold> I mean it is GPL
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:53:40 < MjrTom> http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/amplifiers-linear/high-output-current-amplifier-greater-than-equal-50ma-products.page
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:54:37 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I imagine it's entirely legal.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:55:24 < FreezingCold> hagbard: think their lawyers will hunt you down still?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:56:06 < hagbard> FreezingCold: If you brag about it, yes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:56:23 < Polesch> If a capacitor truly has zero ESR, is that a bad thing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:56:25 < hagbard> incidentally, in the comments, there is a very clear and depressingly trivial solution.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:56:42 < hagbard> you just need to replace the xclm binary with one that exits with exit code 2
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:56:59 < hagbard> Ie, the following C program: int main() { return 2; }
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:57:37 < hagbard> echo "int main() { return 2; }" | gcc -xc -o ./xclm -
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:57:38 < FreezingCold> hagbard: that seems less legal
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:57:47 < rkreis_> i believe they gray zone around GPL is huge
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:57:49 < hagbard> FreezingCold: What? Why.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:58:02 < FreezingCold> hagbard: because xclm is microchip's code, not covered under GPL
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:58:05 < hagbard> Well, I haven't read the terms of their IDE software.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:58:20 < hagbard> FreezingCold: yes, but you're not modifying their code - this is not a derivative work.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:58:28 < corecode_> what's this about?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:58:28 < FreezingCold> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:59:06 < rkreis_> also, having a lawyer try to intimidate that web page doesn't cost a lot, so why not try?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:59:11 < hagbard> To be honest, one of the first things a company/individual needs to file a suit is to claim damages.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T11:59:28 < rkreis_> why file a suit if a letter will do? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:59:44 < FreezingCold> /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/bin/../lib/gcc/pic32mx/4.5.2/../../../../pic32mx/bin/ld: cannot find -lsupc++
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:59:48 < FreezingCold> =/
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T11:59:56 < hagbard> FreezingCold: are you really recompiling everything?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:00:06 < FreezingCold> hagbard: lol no not at the moment
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:00:08 < hagbard> Why not.. just compile that xclm binary I gave you above?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:00:19 < hagbard> I gave it, to you. It's yours. From me. With love.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:00:36 < FreezingCold> done
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:00:38 < FreezingCold> compiled :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:01:21 < FreezingCold> same error though
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:01:24 < hagbard> rkreis_: More likely, microchip will make a business decision weighing the cost of litigation, implimenting a more tamper-resistant license enforcement scheme, and just releasing the whole thing for free.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:01:38 < hagbard> rkreis_: Then they'll choose one or more of those options.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:01:59 < MjrTom> or something
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:05:07 < rkreis_> if it was me, i'd just make sure gcc gets proper PIC32 support, without any weirdness
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:05:09 < FreezingCold> the hell is this error?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:05:09 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/VjcJ
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:05:16 < rkreis_> then either sell or give away an IDE
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:05:56 < rkreis_> it's one of the first things i check when considering an MCU - can the most popular compiler create code for it without any hacks?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:07:53 < rkreis_> if the voltage setting on the DMM is 500V, and you apply 1V, nothing will break :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:07:56 < JFK911> no
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:08:01 < JFK911> start high with the voltmeter
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:08:12 < FreezingCold> god damn it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:08:13 < hagbard> FreezingCold: You're trying to use those binaries you compiled, aren't you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:08:29 < FreezingCold> hagbard: Na I promise I'm not, I'm using their binaries
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:08:37 < FreezingCold> with your xclm though
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:09:03 < rkreis_> sounds like it's messed up and you want to reinstall everything :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:09:22 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:09:24 < rkreis_> or at least check if it works with the original xclm
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:09:27 < JFK911> FreezingCold: switch to windows
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:09:44 < AgentCarmichael> What readings should I minimally get for a functional AC adapter? e.g. min 15V for the 19.5 DC or min 220V for the 240V ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:09:59 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: it doesn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:02 < JFK911> whats it say for dc and what do you measure, AgentCarmichael
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:10:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:10:14 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: so there you go :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:18 < AgentCarmichael> I don't have the meter yet. I need to buy it still.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:31 < AgentCarmichael> So I'll probably come back another time then.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:33 < rkreis_> AgentCarmichael: just get an auto ranging one and be happy :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:10:35 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: I go where?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:45 < rkreis_> nowhere?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:46 < rkreis_> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:10:59 < AgentCarmichael> rkeis_, what is an auto ranging one?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:03 < JFK911> how's that mel brooks song go? springtime for windows and microsoft, winter for linux and macs
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:07 < AgentCarmichael> How would I recognize it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:19 < rkreis_> AgentCarmichael: you just put it in "V AC" or "V DC" and it picks the right measuring range automatically
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:11:29 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: it could be that their sample programs just don't compile
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:31 < rkreis_> it should say in the product description, otherwise look at the dial
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:35 < AgentCarmichael> Those are more expensive I suppose...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:11:46 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: that really looks like a configuratoin error, not an error with the source code
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:11:48 < hagbard> FreezingCold: You've got the environment properly configured?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:51 < rkreis_> or maybe the build files are broken...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:11:58 < JFK911> AgentCarmichael: if you are serious buy a fluke 87
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:12:05 < rkreis_> AgentCarmichael: sure they are, but more comfortable, too :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:12:50 < MasterAccurate> PeakTec is nice =)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:12:52 < AgentCarmichael> I'll figure it out.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:12:54 < JFK911> AgentCarmichael: go to a china store
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:13:02 < FreezingCold> hagbard: I think so, it's listed as out of date on the AUR but I glanced at it and it seems okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:13:41 < JFK911> so england has "poundland" does europe have "1 euro stores" or are they "99 eurocent stores"
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:13:57 < rkreis_> JFK911: germany has "euro shops"
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:14:00 < MasterAccurate> yes we have 1 euro stores =)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:14:04 < hagbard> FreezingCold: So, most all third-party/proprietary compiler packages, especially if they install to /opt, will have a script you source to configure your environment.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:14:10 < JFK911> we have 'dollar stores' and '99 cents stores'
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:14:15 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: microchip-mplabxc32-bin?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:14:18 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Basically, did you follow the instructions?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:14:20 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: yea
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:14:21 < JFK911> but its a TRAP because tax is ADDED to the price
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:14:27 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Ie, are you using their version of make?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:14:50 < AgentCarmichael> Does this one look adequate? http://www.agradi.nl/profile-ditale-multimeter-pin-122-mini.htm
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:15:15 < Polesch> Anyone tell me why soldering tips are so expensive?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:15:18 < rkreis_> AgentCarmichael: no, but it will do the job :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:15:39 < rkreis_> whatever the job is...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:15:45 < AgentCarmichael> 500V will be enough for 240V.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:16:02 < rkreis_> uh, you probably shouldn't touch anything that has more than 30V or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:16:06 < FreezingCold> hagbard: think so? It's all in their binary
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:16:20 < AgentCarmichael> The job is to test why a laptop is not booting up and no charge LED light is lighting up on the laptop.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:16:27 < rkreis_> what are you doing anyway? do you suspect a broken cable?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:16:31 < AgentCarmichael> So I'm going to get the AC adapter readings to see if something's wrong with it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:16:38 < rkreis_> do you have a compatible power supply or laptop?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:16:50 < FreezingCold> hagbard: hold on, lemme reboot
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:17:04 < AgentCarmichael> I got this laptop from a person who gave it to me, so I assume it's the default AC adapter.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:17:17 < AgentCarmichael> It's a netbook anyway.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:17:48 < Polesch> Anyone know what the most standard and typical soldering tip is?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:17:56 < rkreis_> no, i meant to ask if you have another power supply that you can test with the same laptop
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:18:21 < AgentCarmichael> I don't have an extra one.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:18:21 < Polesch> Yeah, but diameter and shape
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:18:32 < Polesch> So I won't have problems finding new tips for it later on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:18:56 < rkreis_> AgentCarmichael: so you really just want to find out if your power supply works or not?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:01 < LeelooMinai> I don't think there's a standard size - at least not for the actual tip/end
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:12 < AgentCarmichael> If you mean AC adapter by power supply then yes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:17 < AgentCarmichael> I also need to test if the battery is dead or not.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:31 < LeelooMinai> Polesch: Unless you mean the mounting size - then probably Hakko
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:19:34 < FreezingCold> fuck, nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:19:36 < FreezingCold> that wasn't it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:19:39 < hagbard> FreezingCold: You downloaded their pic32 C++ ocmpiler?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:45 < rkreis_> a very cheap DMM will do then - or none at all, if you're into some experiments :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:19:51 < hagbard> FreezingCold: What wasn't it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:54 < AgentCarmichael> Ok.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:19:56 < Polesch> I have three soldering irons now, I can't find any replacement tips for two of them - no longer in production. And for the third one I have to order online from the UK/Ger/USA, which is impractical and very unnecessary.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:20:01 < rkreis_> like connecting light bulbs to the PSU or so...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:20:06 < FreezingCold> hagbard: yeah they've put both the C and C++ compiler together
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:20:08 < AgentCarmichael> Of course.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:20:24 < AgentCarmichael> Thanks again.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:21:36 < Polesch> Yeah, fakes and 3rd party production for the most popular one
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:21:44 < Polesch> The station is just too expensive for me right now
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:22:11 < LeelooMinai> Well, all sorts of stations adopted them
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:22:32 < FreezingCold> hagbard: k, gonna "rebuild it"
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:22:42 < FreezingCold> doesn't really count since it's a binary but whatever
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:22:58 < Polesch> Should've just bought a popular quality brand straight away
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:23:58 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Rebuild what? At a shell prompt, type "export". It'll show you your exported environment, do you have shit like XC32_LIBRARY_PATH or PIC32_LIBRARY_PATH in that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:24:12 < LeelooMinai> Polesch: You can also buy whole handle replacement for those cheaply ($8 or so)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:24:30 < FreezingCold> [20140419:052329~]$ export | grep -i pic
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:24:30 < FreezingCold> declare -x WM_CFLAGS="-m64 -fPIC"
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:24:30 < FreezingCold> declare -x WM_CXXFLAGS="-m64 -fPIC"
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:24:35 < LeelooMinai> I think those are also Hakko clones
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:25:04 < hagbard> FreezingCold: grep -i LIBRARY instead, but it would appear that you don't have those variables defined.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:25:16 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Did you follow the instructions in the manual?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:25:41 < LeelooMinai> Damn
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:25:41 < FreezingCold> I kinda thought gcc would be straight forward...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:25:58 < JFK911> im eavesdropping on police radio
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:26:40 < hagbard> FreezingCold: So you didn't read the manual and you expected things to work, then when they didn't, you still didn't consider checking the manual? Jesus, man.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:26:53 < LeelooMinai> I have this alarm clock script on raspberry that uses google voice to say things, and somehow it changes accent every few months - now it started to sound very british\
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:07 < FreezingCold> hagbard: sorry for expecting that a sample would compile properly...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:12 < FreezingCold> silly me and my high expectations
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:23 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I'm sure it compiles properly.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:37 < hagbard> FreezingCold: ... If you use the tool correctly..
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:40 < FreezingCold> uh, not with stock settings
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:27:54 < FreezingCold> wtf is the point of the sample if I have to rewrite things?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:28:39 < hagbard> FreezingCold: You don't get it. You aren't using the compiler correctly. You don't have the right path.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:28:48 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: SO it's rewrite vs write:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:29:06 < hagbard> FreezingCold: The example is correct. With the stock settings are correct.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:29:25 < hagbard> FreezingCold: But, you're not using the stock settings.. you're using your own..
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:29:34 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Check section 5.2 of the manual.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:29:37 < FreezingCold> Nobody in three years has made a comment in the AUR about PATH
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:31:02 < FreezingCold> "The variables in this section are optional,"
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:31:27 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: what exactly is your test case?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:31:28 < hagbard> We'll see.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:31:51 < hagbard> I'm still installing.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:31:52 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: [20140419:053107~/PIC/xc32base]$ cat main.c | sprunge
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:31:52 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/HZbQ
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:32:28 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: then just /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/bin/xc32-gcc main.c worksforme
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:32:30 < Tachyon`> heh, iso date/time
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:32:57 < rkreis_> generates a MIPS32 a.out
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:33:04 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: you mean -o, no?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:33:13 < FreezingCold> [20140419:053113~/PIC/xc32base]$ /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/bin/xc32-gcc main.c worksforme
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:33:13 < FreezingCold> xc32-gcc: worksforme: No such file or directory
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:33:15 < dnile> FreezingCold: You're thinking about it the wrong way. It's generally best to assume that nothing about the GNU build system will work at all unless you make sure to give it absolutely no other option.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:33:23 < Tachyon`> there should be a -o in there
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:33:25 < rkreis_> oh, the worksforme was not part of the command
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:33:29 < Tachyon`> ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:33:29 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:33:32 < Tachyon`> no there shouldn't
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:34:34 < FreezingCold> XC32_COMPILER_PATH=/opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/bin/
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:34:35 < FreezingCold> Is that good?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:34:46 < rkreis_> i didn't specify any environment variables
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:34:55 < hagbard> FreezingCold: It worked for me too.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:06 < FreezingCold> k see wtf?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:35:07 < hagbard> rkreis_: Did you install from microchip or from somewhere else?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:35:17 < rkreis_> i installed the same package from the AUR
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:22 < FreezingCold> hagbard: you got it from the AUR?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:35:32 < rkreis_> then simply launched xc32-gcc with the full path, no environment setup necessary
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:40 < FreezingCold> I'm solidly confused
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:35:42 < rkreis_> (i believe most parts in gcc are hardcoded?)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:46 < hagbard> FreezingCold: AUR is arch, right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:50 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: did you actually install the package to /opt?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:35:55 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I just installed the package from microchip.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:36:17 < FreezingCold> hagbard: oh, so you didn't get it from the AUR
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:36:27 < rkreis_> if you just "build the package" without actually installing the files to /opt (makepkg -i), it probably can't find anything
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:36:31 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: Again, is this the AUR we're talking about?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:36:35 < hagbard> No, honestly, I've never used an AUR or even know what it is. :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:36:41 < rkreis_> 11:35:17 < rkreis_> i installed the same package from the AUR
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:36:54 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I'm sorry I was such a little shitty titty twisted earlier about the manuals.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:23 < FreezingCold> hagbard: na I don't care, I just want it to work :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:37:23 < Tachyon`> hrm, can you build for PIC18 with gcc etc.?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:23 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: [20140419:053618~]$ find /opt/microchip/xc32/ | sprunge
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:23 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/cUHL
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:41 < FreezingCold> Tachyon`: PIC18 is a different ballgame and package
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:50 < FreezingCold> xc8 works fine, but yeah that's totally different
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:37:51 < hagbard> FreezingCold: fwiw, I just download v1.31
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:38:01 < FreezingCold> rkreis_ didn't though
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:38:02 < Tachyon`> ahh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:38:47 < Tachyon`> still, a solution that doesn't require windows pleases me -.o
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:38:51 < foubarre> Hi. Wondering something based on an advice i got here: using a high pass filter on a signal, will i be able to get only spikes? I am looking into triggering on one very rapid voltage increase.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:38:56 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: whoa, my list of files is vastly different
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:38:56 < Polesch> For the proper preservation of soldering tips, should you use a lot of flux and smear off on a wet sponge every time?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:39:14 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: did you do it with ls or find?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:39:23 < rkreis_> i ran the same command as you
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:39:40 < FreezingCold> each will give a different order
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:39:40 < FreezingCold> [20140419:053641~]$ find /opt/microchip/xc32/ | wc -l
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:39:40 < FreezingCold> 5442
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:39:40 < FreezingCold> Try that instead
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:40:01 < FreezingCold> can you spruge yours?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:40:04 < rkreis_> 6692
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:40:08 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:40:23 < rkreis_> df -h, please? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:40:49 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Actually, you appear to be missing files
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:40:54 < hagbard> FreezingCold: like libpic32.a
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:41:10 < FreezingCold> /dev/mapper/crypt  688G  554G  100G  85% /
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:41:42 < hagbard> FreezingCold: my /opt/microchip/xc32 has 10k files
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:41:44 < rkreis_> http://sprunge.us/RSfJ is my list of files
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:41:45 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: interesting
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:41:45 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: did you have to tweak the PKGBUILD at all or did it build stock?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:41:45 < FreezingCold> and you're x86-64 right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:41:47 < hagbard> http://pastebin.com/x6cjqWBi
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:42:14 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: i changed the md5sums array (replaced second entry with SKIP)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:42:23 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: yeah same
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:42:25 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I blame the AUR for screwing this up. :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:42:33 < rkreis_> always blame the AUR :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:42:45 < rkreis_> but some part is still missing (around a thousand files...)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:42:55 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: can I send you a slightly different package and see if it builds for you?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:43:14 < rkreis_> go ahead
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:44:33 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: i doubt that'll work
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:44:49 < FreezingCold> what will work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:44:56 < hagbard> wow, this thing is classy
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:44:57 < hagbard> https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mi/microchip-mplabxc32-bin/PKGBUILD
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:45:28 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: dcc
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:46:55 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Did you modify the PKGBUILD to make it work? the only line I can imagine that would break anything is this:
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:46:58 < hagbard>   rm -r inst_input $pkgdir$instdir/{Uninstall*,bin/roam.lic,etc,rollbackBackupDirectory}
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:47:28 < rkreis_> i didn't have to change anything but that one md5sum for buildroot
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:47:41 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Are you using a nonstandard shell at all?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:47:49 < FreezingCold> urxvt?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:48:07 < hagbard> that's terminal, shell means
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:48:40 < hagbard> you must be running bash.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:48:41 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: PM'd
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:48:42 < prippit> linix
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:48:44 < FreezingCold> hagbard: yeaa
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:48:48  * intranick plots to take over the world
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:48:54 < hagbard> FreezingCold: ok, then I don't know how it could have been botched.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:49:28 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: on it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:49:43 < rkreis_> i'm not even running bash myself, but zsh - i believe makepkg will switch to bash still
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:49:44 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: thanks, basically if you can build it properly, can I just steal your compiled version? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:50:00 < rkreis_> isn't it like a gigabyte or so?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:50:06 < hagbard> rkreis_: I'm using zsh as well. nice.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:50:19 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Why don't you just install the latest from microchip?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:50:44 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: crap, it says it's 16MB for me...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:50:45 < FreezingCold> that
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:50:47 < FreezingCold> is not good
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:51:02 < FreezingCold> 16M Apr 19 05:28 packages/microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:51:08 < FreezingCold> unless .xz got some insane compression there...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:51:15 < Polesch> What are excellon drill files?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:51:36 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: whoa, you xz it every time?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:51:54 < FreezingCold> actually never mind 16MB sounds right
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:51:54 < rkreis_> put PKGEXT=".pkg.tar" in /etc/makepkg.conf already...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:52:05 < FreezingCold> 94M is the uncompressed binary
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:52:06 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: meh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:52:17 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: i actually threw in xz -9e
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:52:42 < FreezingCold> but yeah it should only be like 100MB tops
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:52:48 < FreezingCold> wanna share? :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:52:56 < rkreis_> still building
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:53:23 < rkreis_> or, rather, downloading the installer once more
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:27 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:38 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I can't get my copy, xc32-v1.31-linux-installer.run.tar, to compress at all.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:53:45 < hagbard> I believe it's already compressed internally.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:59 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: [20140419:055253~]$ cat /etc/makepkg.conf | grep aria2
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:59 < FreezingCold> DLAGENTS=('ftp::/usr/bin/aria2c -c -x16 -j32 -s32 -o %o %u'
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:59 < FreezingCold>           'http::/usr/bin/aria2c -c -x16 -j32 -s32 -o %o %u'
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:53:59 < FreezingCold>           'https::/usr/bin/aria2c -c -x16 -j32 -s32 -o %o %u'
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:54:06 < FreezingCold> that should speed that fucker up
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:54:26 < hagbard> wtf is that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:54:30 < rkreis_> getting a proper wifi would speed it up...
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:54:34 < hagbard> I think you downloaded an imcomplete binary
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:54:37 < rkreis_> my wifi is slower than my internet connection
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:54:44 < FreezingCold> hagbard: what's your md5?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:54:54 < hagbard> mine won't match - I have v1.31
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:55:02 < rkreis_> 4fc91b63072bd41f3720cfa0a74436ad  src/xc32-v1.21-linux-installer.run
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:55:04 < FreezingCold> 4fc91b63072bd41f3720cfa0a74436ad  src/xc32-v1.21-linux-installer.run
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:55:04 < FreezingCold> 126698015b1e3fe1fcd1b19de9ecbdd0  src/xc32-v1.21-linux-installer.run.tar
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:55:07 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:55:19 < hagbard> ok, so, I'm wrong.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:55:29 < hagbard> I should just go to bed while I'm just losing.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:55:37 < hagbard> not wait until I've embarassed myself.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:56:34 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: still compiling there?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:56:43 < rkreis_> 1.5G	microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:56:54 < rkreis_> and you're telling me xz got that down to 16MB?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:57:05 < FreezingCold> hahahaha
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:57:12 < rkreis_> impressive :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:57:14 < hagbard> 1.9G    /opt/microchip/xc32
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:57:22 < saedelaere> i am currently reading about digital signal processing and data filtering. i have sensor data that is fluctuating much and I try different digital filters to "improve" the signal. so far I have used all kind of moving averages (weighted and exponential). anyone some hints about other filter algorithms? I have found more like gaussian filter and others, but i am not sure if they are suitable for such a task or just overkill or even useless
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:57:33 < rkreis_> also, is anyone else wondering how a 100M installer can explode to nearly 2G?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:57:47 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: actually it is impressive
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:58:10 < FreezingCold> [20140419:055725~]$ du -ch /opt/microchip/xc32/ | tail -1
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:58:11 < FreezingCold> 389M	total
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:58:21 < FreezingCold> 16MB still blows up to nearly 400MB
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:58:34 < rkreis_> xz'ing my .pkg.tar now...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:58:53 < FreezingCold> I used -9e, so mine will probably be smaller no matter what
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:58:55 < rkreis_> saedelaere: what was bad about the moving averages?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:59:05 < hagbard> ok, I know how it explodes in size
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:59:17 < hagbard> it compiles a bunch of code many times with different optimizations
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:59:22 < rkreis_> awesome :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:59:37 < saedelaere> rkreis_: they are not bad, I just wanted to dig a little deeper and see what other possibilities I have :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T12:59:41 < rkreis_> saedelaere: also, what kind of noise is there? white?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T12:59:42 < FreezingCold> hagbard: is that an educated guess or do you have reasons to believe that?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:00:09 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Yes, educated guess, I'm seeing multiple versions of /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.31/pic32mx/lib for example
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:00:18 < hagbard> speed, size, no-float
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:00:23 < FreezingCold> ls: cannot access /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.31/pic32mx/lib: No such file or directory
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:00:24 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:00:24 < rkreis_> damn, xz is slow
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:00:25 < FreezingCold> problems
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:00:34 < rkreis_> even without -9e --trash-compactor
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:00:44 < hagbard> my /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.31/pic32mx/lib alone is 1.1GB
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:00:46 < FreezingCold> LOL I didn't know --trash-compactor was an option
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:00:52 < rkreis_> nah, just made it up :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:01:04 < rkreis_> also, you don't have v1.31
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:07 < hagbard> FreezingCold: I'd try just reinstalling.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:01:22 < hagbard> rkreis_: Do you not have a pic32mx either?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:24 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: oh, right
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:29 < FreezingCold> hagbard: nvm I do have one
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:01:29 < hagbard> rkreis_: haha. good catch.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:35 < hagbard> FreezingCold: du -sh it, how big?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:51 < FreezingCold> [20140419:060039~]$ du -sh /opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/pic32mx/lib
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:51 < FreezingCold> 8.3M	/opt/microchip/xc32/v1.21/pic32mx/lib
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:01:59 < hagbard> FreezingCold: mine is full of .a files, archives
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:02:11 < rkreis_> i have it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:02:24 < rkreis_> except that it's 900M here
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:02:33 < hagbard> I notice that AUR doesn't appear to have any error/failure detection
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:02:40 < FreezingCold> hagbard: it kinda does
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:02:41 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: your installer done goof, i guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:02:52 < hagbard> FreezingCold: where?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:02:53 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: it must hate something in my system
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:02:59 < hagbard> FreezingCold: It doesn't.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:03:11 < FreezingCold> hagbard: if a program throws a failure?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:03:22 < FreezingCold> not really "checking" though
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:03:27 < FreezingCold> more like error accepting
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:03:35 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: how's dat compiling going?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:03:35 < hagbard> error ignoring.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:03:38 < FreezingCold> er compressing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:03:55 < rkreis_> 1.5G	microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:03:56 < rkreis_> 34M	microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:04:00 < FreezingCold> hahahahahahaha
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:04:04 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:04:13 < rkreis_> and yes, i just decompressed the .tar.xz again to make sure
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:04:22 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: send it to me, let me try to install it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:04:31 < FreezingCold> dear lord microchip
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:04:46 < hagbard> rkreis_: you got decent upload?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:04:54 < FreezingCold> for 34MB who gives a fuck?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:05:10 < hagbard> I thought it was 900M.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:05:16 < hagbard> nevermind.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:05:17 < FreezingCold> nope, not after compression
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:05:58 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~s_ex8y9x/tmp/microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz there you go
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:06:03 < FreezingCold> <3
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:06:08 < hagbard> rkreis_: that's an awesome username.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:06:22 < rkreis_> true... didn't even get to choose it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:06:25 < rkreis_> it just came to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:07:31 < FreezingCold> be873518d1bae21e21b6a80bbb99d301  microchip-mplabxc32-bin-1.21-3-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:07:34 < FreezingCold> Are we okay so far?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:07:53 < FreezingCold> Total Installed Size:   1469.59 MiB
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:07:53 < FreezingCold> Net Upgrade Size:       1091.10 MiB
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:07:56 < FreezingCold> yeah my package was fucked
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:08:33 < rkreis_> md5sum matches
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:08:44 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:08:46 < FreezingCold> works perfect now
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:08:57 < FreezingCold> now I have to go #archlinux and figure out wtf later
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:08:58 < hagbard> btw
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:09:10 < hagbard> rkreis_: can you try to compile that main.c with -O2 ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:09:24 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: you should be able to use -O3 ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:09:28 < hagbard> because I assume you have the original xclm still
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:09:33 < rkreis_> -O2, -O3, no problem
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:09:42 < rkreis_> FreezingCold patched the xclm
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:09:55 < rkreis_> you better bump the version and get that back into the aur :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:10:02 < rkreis_> and i better get it off that web space...
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:05 < FreezingCold> mehhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:10 < FreezingCold> it's a little piratey
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:13 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: still need it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:18 < FreezingCold> even if it is okay for the GPL
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:21 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: no, thank you so much though!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:41 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Just use the xclm I gave you, and stick it in the PKGBUILD.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:10:52 < FreezingCold> hagbard: the one I found is better I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:11:05 < hagbard> mine works so far.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:11:09 < FreezingCold> hagbard: try C++
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:11:26 < hagbard> FreezingCold: touché.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:11:41 < FreezingCold> hahaha wasn't trying to be :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:12:00 < hagbard> FreezingCold: so, the modified version - you followed the instructions on that page?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:12:00 < FreezingCold> the problem with the patch xclm files is that they seem to affect xc8 and xc16
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:12:17 < FreezingCold> hagbard: na, I just Googled xclm.c and found a different version with a bit more code to it
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:12:38 < FreezingCold> yay, sample projects build now
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:12:39 < rkreis_> more code is good
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:12:45 < FreezingCold> more or less my thinking
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:13:14 < hagbard> rkreis_: an elegant solution often is better than a cumbersome one. :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:13:15 < rkreis_> except sometimes, less code is good :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:13:41 < hagbard> FreezingCold: My hypothesis is that something happened during the compiling phase of the microchip installer, that's how you ended up with the broken package.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:13:53 < hagbard> rkreis_: Kinda like extra fat on girls.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:14:38 < FreezingCold> on humans*
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:14:42 < FreezingCold> actually, anything really
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:15:02 < rkreis_> except for pizza?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:15:13 < FreezingCold> hagbard: yeah, dunno what the hell happened because it didn't even spit out any errors for me to read :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:15:15 < hagbard> execve("/opt/microchip/xc32/v1.31/pic32mx/bin/gcc/pic32mx/4.5.2/../../../../../bin/xclm", ["/opt/microchip/xc32/v1.31/pic32m"..., "-fcfc", "swxcpp32", "1.31", "Dec 11 2013"], [/* 74 vars */]) = 0
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:15:29 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Yeah, because the PKGBUILD redirects the outputs to null.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:15:41 < rkreis_> yuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:15:44 < FreezingCold> uh, we still get some messages
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:07 < FreezingCold> [20140419:061520~/PIC/xc32base]$ file a.out
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:08 < FreezingCold> a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, MIPS, MIPS32 rel2 version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:08 < FreezingCold> niceeee
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:12 < FreezingCold> looks like stuff gets built
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:16:23 < rkreis_> not stripped :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:16:33 < rkreis_> is that because of the extra code?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:49 < FreezingCold> -rwxr-xr-x 1 dave users 170K Apr 19 06:16 main_o0.hex
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:16:49 < FreezingCold> -rwxr-xr-x 1 dave users 170K Apr 19 06:15 main_o3.hex
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:04 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: uh no clue
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:11 < FreezingCold> I just ran gcc -O3
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:23 < FreezingCold> O3 and O0 don't seem to do anything in an empty program :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:17:33 < rkreis_> i just wonder why an empty program is 170K :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:42 < FreezingCold> probably the xc32.h
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:47 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Ahh, I get it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:49 < FreezingCold> and the other two headers
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:17:53 < rkreis_> .h?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:17:59 < hagbard> FreezingCold: xclm for C++ has to return a different exit code.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:12 < FreezingCold> stdlib.h
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:15 < hagbard> FreezingCold: Yeah, what would you expect them to do?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:16 < FreezingCold> stdio.h
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:18:20 < rkreis_> that shouldn't have any code, i think
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:20 < FreezingCold> xc.h
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:18:28 < rkreis_> but maybe it does, ugh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:18:41 < hagbard> dude
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:18:44 < hagbard> it's an ELF executable
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:46 < FreezingCold> odd
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:18:50 < rkreis_> nah, it's a .hex
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:18:57 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:00 < hagbard> oh.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:00 < FreezingCold> no it's an ELF
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:01 < sabotender> moo
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:06 < hagbard> readelf -a it
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:08 < rkreis_> it's an elf that's called .hex?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:08 < sabotender> FreezingCold: how did it turn out?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:12 < FreezingCold> [20140419:061806~/PIC/xc32base]$ file main_o3.hex
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:12 < FreezingCold> main_o3.hex: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, MIPS, MIPS32 rel2 version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:16 < FreezingCold> sabotender: rkreis_ saved the day
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:19 < rkreis_> it's an elf that's called .hex.
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:22 < FreezingCold> sabotender: microchip hates my computer
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:28 < sabotender> hah
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:28 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: yeah I did that just to confuse everyone
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:36 < hagbard> did you use xc32-binhex ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:19:37 < rkreis_> nice :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:19:41 < FreezingCold> hagbard: oh no
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:20:03 < hagbard> the compiler generates an elf file for output, you need to use xc32-binhex to get a hex file.
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:20:09 < hagbard> (it's in the manual, fwiw.)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:21:03 < FreezingCold> 6.8K Apr 19 06:20 main.hex
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:21:32 < FreezingCold> well it's 6am
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:21:37 < hagbard> FreezingCold: 6:21
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:21:38 < FreezingCold> thanks for all the help guys
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:21:41 < FreezingCold> I'm off to bed
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:22:40 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: quick question, did you use -9e for that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:23:05 < hagbard> also, I got a copy of the fancier xclm.c from 4chan?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:23:07 < hagbard> what
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:23:17 < FreezingCold> weird things in weird places right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:23:37 < Polesch> What is meant by a "36V symmetric load"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:24:27 < rkreis_> FreezingCold: nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T13:24:40 < FreezingCold> rkreis_: awww dang I'm gonna have to recompress it now :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:25:00 < rkreis_> better your CPU than mine :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T13:36:53 < JFK911> i wish it was easier to buy dry cell batteries
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2014-04.log-2014-04-19T23:31:50 < hjf> and joe satriani's engines of creation
2014-04.log-2014-04-19T23:33:09 < password2> random
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2014-04.log:2014-04-19T23:34:10  * FreezingCold is watching the new Need for Speed movie
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T23:34:12 < FreezingCold> wtf, kid cudi is in it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-19T23:34:49 < FreezingCold> as if this movie wasn't already going to be hard enough to take seriously
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:11:19 < SpeedEvil> I am probably one of only 3 or 4 civilians to have read the '10 year ahead electricity plan'
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:11:27 < password2> Is the uk near its grid capacity?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:11:40 < SpeedEvil> password2: At times.
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T00:11:41 < FreezingCold> nice, somebody died and somebody went to jail
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:11:48 < password2> Ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:11:51 < BullDoger> SpeedEvil, Isn't that something you are not supposed to say?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T00:12:05 < password2> south africa still load sheds from time to time
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:09 < hjf> it's a city of 450.000
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:18 < ketas> hah
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:23 < Polesch> What are these? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15526481/pic8/WP_20140420_001.jpg Aren't they transformers?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:23  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:26 < FreezingCold> alright
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:31 < FreezingCold> off to do school projects
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:31 < ketas> hjf: that's big city!!!
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:32 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:35 < FreezingCold> hate them
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:39 < hjf> ketas: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/Resistencia_Montage.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:17:41 < FreezingCold> give me my god damn diploma
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:46 < ketas> hjf: i'm in city of 6k...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:17:59 < ketas> or was it 10 now?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:31:24 < SpeedEvil> (this is not very on topic)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:31:35 < SpeedEvil> (the youtube link)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:32:07 < FreezingCold> god why is windows so slow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:32:21 < ohsix> all things being the same, it isn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:32:21 < JFK911> hjf: did the road to pena have pavement?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:34:39 < ohsix> that communist fackin' interstate system
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:34:44 < FreezingCold> and oh god autocad
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:34:45 < FreezingCold> so annoying
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:34:53 < FreezingCold> it's like Windows within windows
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:35:29 < hjf> JFK911: yes. it's a major city. major cities have pavement, and cities near them do too. cities really further away don't. but these are tiny cities (<5000) and often none of their streets are paved
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:35:37 < hjf> lol @ ketas re: city size
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:55:43 < JFK911> i think its closer to bedtime for jan
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:55:54  * Jan- hands JFK911 half her cookie
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:56:01 < JFK911> did you sleep much on the airplane?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T01:56:02 < ketas> R0b0t1: the world is FreezingCold ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T01:56:48 < Jan-> JFK911: I got upgraded to business class, so hells yeah :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:47:57 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: cars are perfectly safe if you hit no other cars
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:48:10 < cryptic> GPF_1: is this okay if the board is soldered on both sides?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:48:14 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: As I wrote - absurd and unrelated:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T02:48:20 < FreezingCold> ketas: huh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:48:21 < ohsix> swords are AWESOME if they aren't in your eyes or spleen
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:48:30 < GPF_1> I don't think a conventional cooking even will do it, unless you get close to the heater coils.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T02:48:52 < GPF_1> you may need to do it twice for both sides.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:48:30 < FergusL> http://cdn.instructables.com/F0Z/L80W/H7431186/F0ZL80WH7431186.LARGE.jpg GPF_1are you still around ? the 10uF is connected "backwards"? with its positive lead on the right ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:48:36 < LeelooMinai> Mr_Sheesh: Yes, so it matters if you are working in a museum updating old uCs
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:48:45 < HTT-Bird> nullvibe: no, even the good ones will expire eventually :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:48:51 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: may I ask a question without judgment? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:48:53 < HTT-Bird> nullvibe: they dry out
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:48:59 < LeelooMinai> Mr_Sheesh: And I used C++ with 256 bytes of RAM:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:06 < HTT-Bird> LeelooMinai: or dealing with a tiny new uC
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:49:08 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: wtf, you answer my question
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:09 < nullvibe> ketas: indeed
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:49:13 < FreezingCold> that's some crazy luck
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:17 < HTT-Bird> but it'd have to be *really* tiny, as Leeloo indicated
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:49:27 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Yes, i have precognition:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:29 < HTT-Bird> if you understand how the language maps to the machine, then you can make C++ work well...amost anywhere
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:32 < Mr_Sheesh> LeelooMinai - Or old project that needs a quick mod
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:49:32 < ohsix> i used c++ with no ram, man
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:50:03 < ohsix> i have an infinite supply of synthetic situations or things i've done tha tmake C++ perfect for everything
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:50:24 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: My question was if Cortex-M0/4's could handle C++
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:50:26 < ohsix> have i mentioned how good beaky is at this, frankly i'm embarassing myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:50:49 < LeelooMinai> Some people just decide that C++ is too "heavy" for uC, and they don't really do proper research and actually try using it after disabling the parts that involve most of the overhead
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:50:58 < ohsix> yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:07 < ohsix> and strip off the gun, al of the parts tha tmake it a tank
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:10 < ohsix> and drive it to work
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:18 < ohsix> some people don't get a fucking tank and take everything off, they get a car
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:51:25 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: What kind of question is it? :) Almost any uC can handle it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:51:35 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: not 8-bit PICs :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:35 < ohsix> pic10f
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:36 < ohsix> go
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:51:52 < ohsix> oh wait your world view totally has to be consistent with the pic not existing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:52:45 < ohsix> i remember when sabotender said that he found out the AVR is better because his teacher had an intro that said the pic sucked and get this, THE WHOLE ROOM AGREED
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:52:46 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I may actually start using these little buggers since they use a sane gcc compiler
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:53:08 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Hence "almost". I always wrote that those early PICs are absurd though:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:53:16 < ohsix> Mr_Sheesh: being able to spend 5 times as much would make me switch
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:53:37 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: yeah I have to decide what to do with my bin of PICs lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:53:45 < HTT-Bird> ohsix: Microchip is also a purveyor of terrible sample code :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:53:47 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Make a necklace
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:53:53 < yggdrasili> FreezingCold: sell em
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:53:55 < ohsix> HTT-Bird: well that's neither here nor there
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:53:56 < yggdrasili> or that lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:54:02 < MjrTom> a whole new slant on wearable
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:54:03 < ohsix> HTT-Bird: considering what they have them target on the low end
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:54:03 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: Where?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:54:30 < Mr_Sheesh> ohsix - the silicon bugs bug you not so much?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:54:45 < yggdrasili> FreezingCold: surprisingly i noticed some of these older models are now selling for the same as i bought them for years ago (or more). i guess cos people find old schematics & want to build them, but can't source the parts from general suppliers
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:54:54 < ohsix> Mr_Sheesh: like the ones on the AVR's that are like 'the internal clock doesn't work, no workaround, don't use it' ? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:54:57 < kurt> Could one make an interesting computer from zillions of PICs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:55:04 < ohsix> kurt: no
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:55:16 < ohsix> you'd be swamped in communication overhead
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:55:26 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: I have a ton of PIC18F4685's
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:55:34 < ketas> nullvibe: in my early childhood i was weird so my mother took me to doctors and after some years they figured out that there's nothing wrong with me except being autistic
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:55:36 < kurt> Transputer.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:55:54 < Mr_Sheesh> ohsix - Not hit that one, if I do I'll harass Atmel abt it, sux to have serious bugs there
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:55:55 < yggdrasili> FreezingCold: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GA78957-PIC18F4685-I-P-Microchip-IC-8Bit-Flash-MCU-18F4685-Dip40-/131164359177?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item1e8a014a09
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:56:12 < ohsix> anyways i wasn't at all being an out loud idiot about the tank thing, i got a tank, i'm stripping it to use it for my daily commut
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:56:38 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: Do they actually sell?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:56:51 < kurt> I kept a Transputer mobo when my old school was throwing it out.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:56:52 < ohsix> Mr_Sheesh: yea, and i'm only half serious, there was a rev where that was true, i can find it if you want; it was just notable because i've never seen an errata that was like 'ok your entire stock is useless' in quite the same way
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:56:59 < yggdrasili> probably not for $20, which is insane, but i'll bet the $5-7 ones do
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:57:23 < ohsix> Mr_Sheesh: what silicon bugs did you have in mind?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:57:30 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: wanna buy them from me for $5? :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:57:52 < Mr_Sheesh> ohsix - Yep I suspect if I used that clock for one I'd be returning 'em. Haven't hit it tho.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:57:55 < ohsix> the pics are comparatively much simpler so even a 'bad' one won't typically ruin your entire stock for something
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:58:03 < yggdrasili> FreezingCold: looks like they're selling for $5-10. and no thanks ;) i want to sell my pile of 16f877a ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:58:26 < FreezingCold>  haha yeah I have a few of those
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:58:40 < yggdrasili> i bought a bunch before i got into AVR
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:58:45 < ketas> yggdrasili: do you also have __C...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T03:58:49 < FreezingCold> I usually find them in class with belt/broken pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T03:58:55 < yggdrasili> hmmm don't think so ketas
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:00:19 < ketas> i wonder if something can be integrated into my body
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:00:42 < nullvibe> ketas: autistic? riiiight :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:00:51 < ketas> nullvibe: yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:01:09 < MjrTom> heh why would you find that hard to believe?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:01:10 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: Why are the PIC32's with more features less expensive...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:01:13 < FreezingCold> it makes no sense
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:01:34 < yggdrasili> my guess is these old ones aren't being produced anymore, but people still want them. hence higher price?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:01:42 < nullvibe> ketas: and I'm a yeti at the north pole typing on a keyboard crafted from ice :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:01:49 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: Nope, new devices still come out
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:02 < ketas> nullvibe: how does that even worj
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:05 < ketas> nullvibe: work
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:07 < yggdrasili> hmmm maybe cos the dip packages cost more to fab?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:16 < nullvibe> ketas: magic
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:02:23 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: Nope, I'm talking about PIC32 DIP packages too
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:28 < yggdrasili> oh...
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:02:31 < yggdrasili> wtf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:03:57 < orlyyy> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:04 < orlyyy> anyone here know of a medical chatroom?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:06 < orlyyy> :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:04:14 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: hold on
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:27 < ohsix> heh looking for the datasheet with the internal oscillator thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:29 < ketas> orlyyy: irl?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:43 < ohsix> find one for attiny series where ALL of them have an errata for lock bits that corrupt random parts of flash
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:04:49 < ohsix> don't they fix those :\
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:05:18 < ohsix> http://www.atmel.com/Images/Atmel-8127-AVR-8-bit-Microcontroller-ATtiny4-ATtiny5-ATtiny9-ATtiny10_Datasheet.pdf this is th eone that shows lock bits messed up for the entire family
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:05:27 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en026324
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:05:31 < FreezingCold> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en557425
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:05:46 < ketas> nullvibe: why so surprising reply on "autistic"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:05:46 < FreezingCold> $4 vs $9
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:06:17 < ketas> Miyu-cat
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:06:46 < ketas> hackMiyukitten
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:06:50 < yggdrasili> what the hell
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:06:53 < yggdrasili> FreezingCold: i cannot explain this
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:06:58 < ohsix> looks like it was the one thing across the whole series, nm
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:07:27 < MjrTom> maybe some features take more silicon than others
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:07:39 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: ...so better chips take less silicon?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:07:55 < MjrTom> better is subjective
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:08:03 < MjrTom> real estate is objective
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:08:13 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: I'm at a loss too. The 28-pin DIPs are the same deal too for the 8-bit chips, still like +$5 for USB enabled
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:08:26 < MjrTom> I mean; do the "better" ones maybe have less RAM or lower temp range or w/e?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:08:32 < FreezingCold> No
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:08:37 < FreezingCold> They have more RAM and flash
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:11:15 < ohsix> right
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:11:30 < ohsix> but that's a function of the area and not the geometry, though geometry implies smaller
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:11:36 < ohsix> how many squares fits on a circle
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:11:37 < FreezingCold> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?product=PIC18F2620
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:11:40 < FreezingCold> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en557425
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:11:42 < FreezingCold> compare those two
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:11:49 < FreezingCold> they're really close in price and same DIP package
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:12:17 < Mr_Sheesh> ohsix - Oh well. Do what works for you I guess
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:12:59 < nullvibe> ketas: because I know better :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:13:08 < ohsix> i have not seen anything of that sort of severity from microchip stuff ... but that is saying almost nothing, i don't know what atmel means by 'sampling' for example
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:13:24 < ohsix> it's possible that microchips stuff are way worse but in a way that never reaches official, external documentation
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:13:34 < FreezingCold> Atmel rejected one of my sample requests, and accepted one
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:13:37 < FreezingCold> so I dunno
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:13:42 < FreezingCold> microchip doesn't give a fuck
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:13:45 < MjrTom> the more expensive one is from 2008
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:14:06 < MjrTom> vs 2014 for the cheaper one
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:14:09 < ohsix> i'm pretty sure 'sampling' in the errata means sent to some engineers, or outside of atmel
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:24:24 < yggdrasili> !seen frogs
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:24:26 < yggdrasili> !seen umtc
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:24:56 < FreezingCold> !seen yggdrasili
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:24:59 < FreezingCold> yeah broken
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:25:07 < ohsix> never was a thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:25:13 < FreezingCold> IT'S BROKEN
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:25:16 < FreezingCold> hush
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:25:18 < FreezingCold> no debate
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:25:20 < ohsix> you can use nickserv to see when someone who was registered last identified
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:25:23 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T04:25:26 < FreezingCold> it's broken
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:25:41 < yggdrasili> yeah where'd the little bot go who answered all our questions
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T04:25:50 < ohsix> the lack of me having a milkshake means my kitchen is broken for never having any of the stuff to make me a milkshake :[
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:05:59 < yggdrasili> http://i.imgur.com/NOECI0s.gif
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:06:02 < sabotender> JFK911: awwe. I have been trying to figure out what size motor I would need to drive this thing. I suppose I could get a brushless motor that is used for a washing machine
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:06:03 < madist> according to google
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:06:16 < JFK911> sabotender: my washing machine has a pretty freking big brushless motor
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:06:23 < JFK911> its right on the back of the drum
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T09:06:44 < madist> those are synchronous motors I think ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:25:17 < SpeedEvil> Though that was 7 years ago
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:26:24 < Xark> Arnau_: On what ALU?  Generically usually called logical shift left (same as arithmetic shift left).
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:27:33 < Xark> Arnau_: You can "fake it" with   ADD  R1,R1  (which will have the effect of shifting R1 to the left and introducing a zero bit on the right).
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:29:29 < password> BW^-_: also get the shortest possible signal cable
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:32:27 < johnarcher> Maybe I need to get a cassette and insert it so it will switch to cassette mode and take only that input
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:32:52 < FreezingCold> Why can an PNP switch be used with a NPN device but not the other way around?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:32:55 < R0b0t1> That seems plausible, yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:33:09 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: What?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:33:31 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: this is out of my textbook
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:33:51 < R0b0t1> well then give more context, that question was pretty vague
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:34:04 < FreezingCold> k so I have a photoelectric PNP switch
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:34:08 < R0b0t1> "Why does lightning?"
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:34:17 < FreezingCold> and my controller has an NPN input
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:34:28 < johnarcher> It just seems like there should be a way to activate that without a cassette. I could be wrong though
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:34:30 < FreezingCold> if I plug them in, I can get it to switch
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:34:34 < bobo1on1> FreezingCold: npn input makes no sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:34:59 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: yeah I'm a bit confused too, that's why I'm here asking
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:35:03 < Arnau_> Thanks Xark!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:35:34 < Xark> Arnau_: No problem.  Good luck on your project (whatever it is). :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:35:40 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: So you know how the two types of device work (i.e. how they respond to gate voltage/current).
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:35:50 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:35:56 < FreezingCold> mostly yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:37:25 < R0b0t1> So then what is surprising?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:37:48 < FreezingCold> Why can I use a sourcing switch with a sinking input?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:37:50 < FreezingCold> that sounds wrong
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:37:56 < FreezingCold> but I know it works because I've done it in class =/
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:39:04 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: http://www.automationdirect.com/static/specs/sinksource.pdf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:39:40 < R0b0t1> So likely if you draw out your circuit,
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:39:42  * R0b0t1 scribbles
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:40:44 < R0b0t1> When you switch your output shorts and there is negligible V across the input.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:42:07 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold, got a drawing of the circuit that worked?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:42:27 < FreezingCold> one sec
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:43:19 < R0b0t1> I mean there's no reason some circuit with both logic types would not work
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:43:30 < R0b0t1> it would just not work the same way as if you were using the same logic throughout
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:47:36 < FreezingCold> crap I left the prof's name in the screenshot -.-
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:47:45 < FreezingCold> heh, the textbook explains it a bit better
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:47:47 < FreezingCold> I think I have it
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:50:54  * Jan- puts a giant spider on FreezingCold's face
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:51:00 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: pics
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:51:04 < FreezingCold> god I hate spiders
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:51:08 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: of the spider or the textbook?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:51:14 < BW^-> password: look at this http://www.ebay.de/itm/WLAN-QQsmart-Antenne-Klebepad-12-14dBi-1-2m-super-low-los-Kabel-SMA-RP-Stecker-/310930940973?pt=DE_Computing_Richtantennen&hash=item4864eda42d
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:51:15 < BW^-> made in Europe even !!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:51:15 < BW^-> $25
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T22:51:16 < BW^-> would you dare? =)
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T22:53:30 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold, textbook
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:30:34 < FreezingCold> I didn't even notice today was 4/20 until I went online
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:30:43 < FreezingCold> makes me happy that less of my friends are potheads
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:34:22 < Seeker`> o/
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:34:59 < FreezingCold> man I'm paranoid
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:35:08 < FreezingCold> I finished this online quiz in like two minutes flat
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:35:22 < FreezingCold> but now I'm going to sit at the submit button for another hour so people don't think I cheat :S
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:35:36 < Seeker`> O.o
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:36:02 < ohsix> boioioing
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:36:27 < Seeker`> quick! hide!
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:36:27 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: thou didst not acquire pictographs
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:37:03 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: thou did not
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:37:31 < FreezingCold> k took screenshots again
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:38:14 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: https://imgur.com/kiqauQa,RlvlZGv#1
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:39:18 < R0b0t1> oh wow that was so forced
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:39:27 < FreezingCold> what was forced?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:39:39 < R0b0t1> the wording
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:40:15 < FreezingCold> haha yeah they're rewriting the book over the summer I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:41:12 < R0b0t1> I also applaud your usage of i3
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:41:47 < ohsix> happy you're going to hell and here's a ham reminder day
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:42:45 < sine0> hhey guys whats a saftey capacitor ? is it one that if damaged it does not allow currnet through, like a fuse ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:43:48 < rkreis> filter then
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:44:04 < sine0> live goes in then it goes to the one of the right with shrink wrap, the the black circle THEN to the live point of the yellow capacitor
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:44:10 < rkreis> that'd commonly be called self-healign
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:44:14 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: thank you :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:44:32 < FreezingCold> I need more screens though
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:44:35 < R0b0t1> sine0: Picture?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:44:41 < bobo1on1> sine0: that blue thing is a safety capacitor, the black thing is an ntc, it's used to limit inrush current
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:44:57 < sine0> its up there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:49:17 < jaggz-> I wonder if using a non-commercial-licensed font on a captcha on our free messageboard service is considered free..
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:49:23 < jaggz-> or commercia
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:49:45 < sine0> LeelooMinai: there is one in the plug and there is one (I THINK) bottom right next to the yellow cap with black shrink wrap around it ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:49:59 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: so...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:50:21 < jaggz-> or.. if I let the admins of the boards pick the font..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:51:52 < LeelooMinai> I kind of doubt it is a fuse
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:51:53 < sine0> F1
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:51:58 < sine0> boom!
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:52:00 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:52:03 < LeelooMinai> Hmm...
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:52:03 < ohsix> rkreis: yea and there's native egl/omx stuff so you can do stuff a bit nicer
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:52:19 < ohsix> on froyo and before you needed a java wrapper but it wasn't all that bad
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:03 < sine0> there is something down there that looks like a transformer with copper wire in 2 bits
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:05 < LeelooMinai> Right, probably NTC "fuse"
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:54:10 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: those screenshots
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:32 < sine0> i was wondering why there was a small transformer straight from the mains and then the big step down later on in the board
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:34 < CoolBeer> sine0: Oh, wait, that's not the F1, the F1 is a heatshrunk fuse.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:40 < LeelooMinai> sine0: Probably some choke (?)
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:41 < sine0> thats what i said
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:54:47 < sine0> CoolBeer: if you read up i said all that
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:55:03 < CoolBeer> sine0: Sorry, I'm not all awake.
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:55:17 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I have no comment, really. Besides the text was strangely worded and the example of usefulness was forced.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:55:17 < LeelooMinai> sine0: NTC is a thermistor - may have other designator
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:55:28 < CoolBeer> LeelooMinai: The fuse is next to the thermistor.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:55:44 < sine0> the live goes (brownlive > heatshrink fuse > NTC blackround thing > yellow saftey cap > copper coil trans thing)
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:55:46 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: If the course can get to that point and still have people questioning the usefulness of transistors, the instructors fucked up
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:00 < sine0> LeelooMinai: whhat is a thermistor
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:05 < LeelooMinai> CoolBeer: Yes, I see now - F1 is close to it
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:05 < sine0> heat/resistor
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:28 < CoolBeer> sine0: Yes, it's a resistor that changes value based on heat, in this case it's high resistance when cold.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:35 < JFK911> R0b0t1: i have thermionic tubes, i need no transistor
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:38 < LeelooMinai> sine0: It's kind of like a slow fuse that is reusable
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:56:48 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: tbh transistors still fuck with me. I'll have to study more in the summer
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:56:50 < CoolBeer> LeelooMinai: NTC should be the other way around.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:14 < CoolBeer> LeelooMinai: Most likely inrush limiting I suppose.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:17 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, right... so it's probably uses as some kind of inrush current limiter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:27 < CoolBeer> sine0: Other way around.
2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:57:32 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean it's an electrically actuated switch that is loads better than any electomechanical equivalent.
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:34 < sine0> why does it do that then
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:38 < R0b0t1> Like
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:39 < CoolBeer> sine0: Inrush limiting.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:50 < R0b0t1> the fuck?
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:57:53 < sine0> hahaha
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2014-04.log:2014-04-20T23:58:12 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I get the overall concept and use, just not the details
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:58:22 < LeelooMinai> sine0: Ok, I described PTC - if it's NTC it's the other way - initially it's high resistance (cold), but current will make it hotter and let it pass more current - in result it will limit initial inrush current "spike"
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:58:22 < rkreis> ohsix: thanks for the info
2014-04.log-2014-04-20T23:58:26 < sine0> CoolBeer: so inrush limiting is only for when its first powered on
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:26:22 < JFK911> without a scope i would try and swap out spare transitor box and coil
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:26:26 < R0b0t1> ohsix, ah, I see
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:26:33 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Well, yeah, I didn't assume you were braindead, but that textbook does
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:26:37 < rkreis> so android typically never swaps, does it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:26:44 < rkreis> it's all so tricky
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:26:48 < Fatal> dizzy, cam sensor, power transistor, and coil are all one unit, so that's a 160 dollar proposition
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:10 < ohsix> R0b0t1: if you never see part of the level then loading it in one big loading screen chunk was a waste of time, the more your application gets interrupted by things the more you save there
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:20 < ohsix> rkreis: there's no swap on the devices
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:22 < R0b0t1> rkreis: Process doesn't care, they're just killed when the device is running out of memory.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:27:24 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: meh, I'm not even sure why 50% of it was written
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:31 < R0b0t1> You can only have one "active", remember?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:41 < R0b0t1> (like, you can only be using one at a time realistically)
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:27:44 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I just skipped to the parts about what the PLC program was actually supposed to do, and then I made it
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:46 < ohsix> you write the applications to manage what they care about, and otherwise let it be killed when some other activity is important to the user
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:27:48 < R0b0t1> (unless you mad h4x)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:51:36 < blockh34d> the sensor itself i mean, i don't need the commercial housing/display/etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:52:16 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: how accurate was it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:55:02 < FreezingCold> holy shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:55:06 < FreezingCold> I can type 100 wpm on a proper keyboard
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:55:45 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: 10% or so - it's as accurate as you choose to make it
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:55:53 < kurt> Seeker`: "Make" depends on what you start with.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:56:11 < CoolBeer> FreezingCold: Does "proper" mean the keys are arranged in the combination you need, so all you do is run your finger along a line as fast as you can?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:56:29 < FreezingCold> CoolBeer: I mean a desktop keyboard instead of a laptop keyboard ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:56:48 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Yeah the ergonomics of laptops just blow
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:56:51 < R0b0t1> terribly
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:56:59 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: I've only got a DT830 multimeter (3.5 digits) at the moment, wondering if I should try making something more accurate
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:57:03 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I thought I typed faster on a laptop tbh
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:57:27 < FreezingCold> I found it puts less strain on my wrists and fingers
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:57:45 < R0b0t1> There might be less movement due to less distance needing to be moved, but I find my fingers stumbling over each other some times
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:57:58 < R0b0t1> well, not in the most literal sense
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:58:10 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: Why do you need a more accurate meter.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:58:11 < R0b0t1> but laptop keyboards seem "off"
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:58:17 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: A mechanical keyboard will increase typing speed once you get used to it too
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:58:19 < CoolBeer> Seeker`: It's easy enough to make something that work, but the problem comes when you need to calibrate it(and you do).
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:58:39 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: I wanna buy this
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:58:39 < FreezingCold> http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-ultimate/
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:58:53 < nathan7> FreezingCold: buy it, you won't regret it
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:59:02 < nathan7> well, except for the noise.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:59:11 < nathan7> I can't use that keyboard at night.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:59:12 < FreezingCold> my current keyboard is already noisy
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T00:59:18 < FreezingCold> it's $170 :S
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:59:31 < nathan7> lol dollars are worthless
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T00:59:44 < blockh34d> clickity keyboards make you a better programmer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:23 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: search out 'how a multimeter works' - he has some quite detailed ones on it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:31 < nathan7> R0b0t1: it's not, but it just entertains me
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:34 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: I've been looking on there. People seem to be doing really accurate stuff with an LT2440
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:00:46 < CoolBeer> FreezingCold: Bro has the model S, it's VERY noisy.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:47 < GPF_1> FergusL: back again I see!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:47 < nathan7> R0b0t1: a few months back this number would've actively angered me
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:00:49 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: now, look up suitable 16 bit or 18 bit ADCs, and then look at voltage standards with low drift.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:00:53 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: I've got a Das Keyboard Model S, I love it
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:03 < FreezingCold> CoolBeer: Do you think it's worth $170?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:07 < FreezingCold> same question for Seeker`
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:01:08 < FergusL> GPF_1:  yes ! I realised there is a flaw in the design I didn't even test
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:09 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: With the 'silent' keys (being a relative term)
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:01:10 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: then send it off for calibration
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:17 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: Yes, I do
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:01:24 < MjrTom> Seeker`, 3.5 digits is the precision.  it might not be that accurate.  Also, while you can likely make a meter with more precision, you might find it impractical to make one more accurate
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:33 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: for typing/programming, blue switches right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:01:53 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: I use brown for typing/programming
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:02:17 < ohsix> volcano time
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:02:22 < Seeker`> MjrTom: why difficult to make it more accurate?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:02:30 < CoolBeer> FreezingCold: I have no idea, he seems happy with it. Personally I prefer lower height keys, which kinda rules out mechanical.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:02:30 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: reason?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:02:44 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: noise. The browns are quite a bit quieter than the blues
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:02:59 < Seeker`> MjrTom: why impreactical to make it more accurate?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:03:17 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: What would you need to do a reasonable attempt at calibration yourself?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:03:21 < SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/MAX6126AASA50%2B/MAX6126AASA50%2B-ND/1867179 - 0.02% reference
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:03:28 < MjrTom> Seeker` there are quiite a lot of factors that impact accuracy of instruments.  It's increasingly challenging to overcome them the more accuracy you seek
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:03:44 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: I don't give a damn about noise :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:03:54 < SpeedEvil> That gets you to a realistic 1 in 5000
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:04:28 < SpeedEvil> If you oven it, and send it off for calibration, you can probably legitimately claim 1 in 30000 or so.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:06:02 < GPF_1> fergusL: look there/
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:07:17 < SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/Y47331M00000S0L/Y47331M00000S0L-ND/4233411 - silly resistor is silly
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:07:41 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: try the different switches to see which you prefer then
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:08:16 < kurt> I've never needed a precision voltmeter.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:08:20 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: I would consider buying a 2nd one for work if I didn't think the noise would disturb others
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:08:33 < FergusL> GPF_1: yes I found this page. http://sound.westhost.com/project43.htm this one as well
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:08:40 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: seriously?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:19 < LeelooMinai> They sell those voltage reference pcbs for $30 or so that are pretty accurate
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:20 < Seeker`> CoolBeer: if you're using a voltage reference for the ADC, can you not use that to calibrate itself?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:24 < SpeedEvil> You don't need to calibrate it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:13:24 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: what kind of an office setting do you work in?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:39 < SpeedEvil> You can just accept that the specced accuracy base is as good as you'll get
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:49 < SpeedEvil> But you may lose a digit or more off not calibrating
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T01:13:52 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: open plan, only 3 of us in the room atm, but there is enough room for 6-8 people
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:13:53 < FergusL> GPF_1: "the op amp doesn't care", though it seemed to me in my tests that the specific model I have (TL072CN) doesn't allow single (vcc-gnd) supply. But let me first watch the video entirely, looks great !
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:16:44 < MjrTom> blockh34d depending on what you mean exactly by "rapidly", it's probably meaningless
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:27:19 < MjrTom> SpeedEvil, then all you know is that they all read the same.  They could all, for example, have the same 1v error.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:29:09 < MjrTom> from a bad design, a whole batch of a part mislabeled, incorrect calibration procedure, improper construction, etc etc etc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:30:26 < GPF_1> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:45:08 < SpeedEvil> I wonder if anyone is going to release results of logging honeytraps
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T01:45:32 < SpeedEvil> I mean - attempts to exploit machines 6 months ago that are just now detected by going over the packet captures
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:37:56 < drac_boy> the battery stack'll go under the hood up front .. and I'll have either rwd (more likely) or 4wd drivetrain from the motor mounted under the seat etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:38:12 < CoolBear> Sounds like a fun project.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:38:16 < drac_boy> its nothing new at all tho.. there used to be a commerically sold electric lawn tractor from GE in the 1980's
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:39:16 < drac_boy> coolbear heres an example btw: http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Vehicles/ElecTrak/ElecTrak.htm
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:39:26 < drac_boy> see how it still has the same PTO accessories as a normal gas tractor would had :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:39:43 < drac_boy> (the grass mulcher being mounted on front instead probably has something to do with the short wheelbase anyway)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:53:06 < CoolBear> It can also get funky if you have earth faults in your system.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:54:39 < CoolBear> (One school I attended had roughly 100v on earth at all times, they were unable to find where the fault was as I understood it. The best part of this story is that this was the building used for teaching electronics classes).
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T02:56:25 < aep> oO
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:56:45 < MjrTom> hahaha that gingerbread dude is awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:56:51 < blockh34d> lotta push though, and very fast response
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T06:56:54  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:57:19 < LeelooMinai> It's super-awsome even - when you press one of the buttons of the belly it makes some desperate sounds
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:57:29 < blockh34d> MjrTom: I welded together a metal hull for the HMD, barely adds any weight at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:57:55 < blockh34d> also added 160 degree fisheye lenses
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:59:18 < MjrTom> for real?  lmao!
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:59:44 < LeelooMinai> MjrTom: Yes, well, I almost got heart attack when I was rummaging in a drawer and pressed them by accident
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:59:45 < MjrTom> LeelooMinai Im sorry I should probably know this, but what's this project?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T06:59:47  * FreezingCold swears
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T06:59:50 < MjrTom> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T06:59:50 < FreezingCold> ugh, finals
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T06:59:55 < FreezingCold> god damn it
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:00:04 < FreezingCold> yo profs, I already know my shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:00:06 < FreezingCold> let's skip this
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:00:17 < upgrdman> i wish bigger oled displays were reasonably priced
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:00:34 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: I want to get an OLED display like in the new Need for Speed movie
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:00:39 < FreezingCold> pretty sick car HUD
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:00:44 < LeelooMinai> MjrTom: It's 3 projects - on the left is my USB isolator with current monitoring and limiting, in the middle is uC controller board for different modules, and on the righ is mains controller, also with current monitoring
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:01:12 < LeelooMinai> I am just setting this up to write code for the mains controller
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:43:29 < FreezingCold> Jesus christ, this thing costs $100?!
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:43:30 < FreezingCold> http://canada.newark.com/omron-industrial-automation/e3z-d82/photoelectric-sensor-0m-to-1m/dp/85C4974
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:44:22 < FreezingCold> Are the ones from Hong Kong fake or something? I see it on eBay for sub $40
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:47:37 < Casper> FreezingCold: china is no name....
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:47:40 < Casper> that's all
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:47:45 < Casper> and less reliabl;e
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:48:06 < Casper> my cousin needed some bolts for a cnc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:57:21 < the_file> rated for 100watts and adapter its solid metal
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:57:40 < cluelessperson> this is depressing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIZU8cQWXc
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:57:53 < Polesch> Finally get good USB speakers?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:58:04 < FreezingCold> Casper: the ones I was seeing from hong kong were labeled omron too
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:58:13 < Casper> the_file: don't worry, they will fuck it up again
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:58:17 < FreezingCold> I'm not actually buying them, I just wrote a short report on that sensor
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T07:58:26 < FreezingCold> my lab has a bunch of them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:58:36 < the_file> Casper: it seems they have gotten it right this time
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:58:54 < JFK911> i hate computers
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:59:02 < the_file> the only thing i dispise is legacy usb3... as if they needed those new usb3 adapters as it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T07:59:02 < Casper> if true omron, then it might just be that the official sellers make a big profit on them
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:00:17 < FreezingCold> probably
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:00:31 < FreezingCold> PLCs are usually used in places that don't give a flying fuck about prices lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:00:44 < FreezingCold> they're already replacing so many minimum wage workers
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:01:51 < the_file> wage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:02:02 < Casper> my cousin tells me some of the stuff... and... man... some stuff is just insane
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:02:34 < Casper> just a like 10hp 600V triphased controller...
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:02:46 < Casper> that probably have for 200$ in part in it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:03:00 < FreezingCold> well, to be fair at $15k they aren't doing any volume
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:01 < JFK911> and 4 engineering managers
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:10 < JFK911> and 21 indians writing firmware
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:28 < Casper> a 150$ limit switch... electric supply store sell it for 15
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:31 < KB9MCI> anyone think they can ID a SMD 3550 mhz filter for me?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:03:32 < FreezingCold> so it probably *does* cost like $2k to make since the molds aren't being mass produced
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:40 < KB9MCI> http://gallery.keekles.org/d/28453-1/0420141416d.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:03:45 < JFK911> Casper: what if you had to pay someone minimum wage to be a limit switch - then its a great deal
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:00 < the_file> molds aren't ever mass produced iirc
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:04:01 < FreezingCold> yep, after a week it already pays
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:04:12 < FreezingCold> the_file: *used in mass production
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:17 < Casper> 35$ grease tube... he buy them at 2$, sell them for 8...
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:23 < the_file> molding is a big business
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:30 < KB9MCI> been trying to id the manufaturer of the white ceramic filter marked 3550
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:41 < ohsix> http://www.osciprime.com/
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:42 < JFK911> KB9MCI: did u sweep it
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:04:42 < FreezingCold> the_file: I've looked into getting custom molds for one-off projects and it's always super expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:49 < Casper> succion cup... the manufacturer sell them 400$
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:49 < KB9MCI> JFK911: no
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:53 < Casper> he sell them 150$
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:04:58 < Casper> he pay them 10$
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:05:30 < Casper> made locally, of better material
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:05:32 < KB9MCI> but it's in a radio that covers 3400-3700 mhz, which 3550 would be the center of a 300mhz band pas filter
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:05:36 < the_file> FreezingCold: there is a lot to know about molding
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:05:47 < JFK911> that busted battery started the car after high voltage gassing it for 2 hours
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:05:49 < the_file> its no trivial taskt to make one that works
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:05:51 < FreezingCold> the_file: yeah I totally agree :) that's why it's expensive
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:06:01 < FreezingCold> the_file: I wasn't disagreeing with you at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:06:08 < KB9MCI> I'm just trying to ID who makes it to find a data sheet on it, and if i can get a different one/wider one
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T08:06:29 < the_file> FreezingCold: you can however make homemade clay molds
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:06:32 < JFK911> KB9MCI: interesting what radio is it
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:06:46 < intranick> anyone listen to kamelot?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:06:51 < KB9MCI> it's from a ubuquiti XR3 radio
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:46:23 < Xark> The CPU can probably spend most of its type sleeping waiting for a timer interrupt...
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:46:30 < Xark> time*
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T08:49:19 < cluelessperson> Xark, yup. :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T09:26:24 < LeelooMinai> And the charger has "balancing" ports on it in addition to the charging ones
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T09:26:33 < Polesch> Is that a 3-pin cable for charging and 2 pin for discharging (use)?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T09:26:53 < LeelooMinai> Hmm...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T09:27:11 < jsoft> With a transistor, I have +5v into collector, get 0.9v out of emitter for a given base voltage. If I now feed the emitter into another transistors base, and feed the same +5v rail into it, I should get more volts still, right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T09:27:16 < Polesch> Like if you plug it into your RC car, would it be a 3 pin connector too?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T10:25:42 < jaggz> hmmm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:31:59 < FreezingCold> oh yeah I still have my bitcoins
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:32:23 < FreezingCold> all 0.25 of them
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:32:24 < FreezingCold> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T10:33:09 < LeelooMinai> I found 0.76 bitcoin once and sold it when it was above $1k and bought nice 50 inch TV for my room:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T10:33:15 < jsoft> So using two transistors, I have a one PNP transistor with +5 to collector, and emitter into base of another NPN. However the second NPN has +5v to it's emitter, and collector to ground. If I put an ammeter between +5 and it's collector, it is able to pass alot of current... how does this work?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T10:46:43 < ss23> azonenberg: Have you finished your hacker machine yet?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:47:38 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: seriously? well done
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:47:43 < FreezingCold> I tried to sell mine when it was $1k too
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T10:47:47 < FreezingCold> but it was a PITA so I gave up
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T10:48:38 < LeelooMinai> I sold it on Virtex as always - just took the first offer, did not try to wait
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:03:45 < JFK911> i read that gassing the battery doesnt deplete anything but water.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:03:48 < JFK911> so i figure i'll try it
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:03:50 < FreezingCold> Polesch: How is that your country that's expensive?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:04:01 < FreezingCold> Sounds like a shitty postal service
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:04:04 < corecode> JFK911: i tested the specific gravity
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:04:27 < JFK911> i dont have the stuff to do that easily.  i could measure 10cc and weigh it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:04:43 < Polesch> FreezingCold, I find it insane that they can increase the price for the same service that much in one year.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:04:46 < corecode> i bought a gravimeter some time ago
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:04:50 < corecode> the cells are all off
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:04:52 < JFK911> Polesch: what service? ems?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:00 < JFK911> corecode: they're different?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:00 < Polesch> From $25 to $40 over new year's eve
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:04 < corecode> JFK911: yea
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:05:06 < FreezingCold> Polesch: lol Canada's mail postage went from like $0.50 to $1.00 in one year
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:11 < corecode> maybe i should try equalizing it
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:17 < JFK911> corecode: i read something about doing an 'equalization' charge
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:05:33 < FreezingCold> Polesch: Check FedEx and UPS, in Canada anyway they're often cheaper
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:43 < JFK911> "allowing the voltage to rise uncontrolled"
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:05:58 < corecode> JFK911: yea, i read that too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:08:11 < ec|ipse> If anyone could let me know if I'm donig something wrong. It is the NTE3061 and my breadboard is powered with 5V from USB, from my computer. I am trying to light up any segment with 2V from voltage divider from some 10K resistors. nothing is lighting, anything I'm doing wrong? the manual is here: http://www.nteinc.com/specs/3000to3099/pdf/nte3061.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:08:38 < corecode> ec|ipse: schematic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:08:53 < LeelooMinai> ec|ipse: 10k resistors are kind of heavy for this...
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:09:25 < FreezingCold> cool, my house is making some cool house noises
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:09:36 < FreezingCold> hearing gusts of wind from the basement
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:09:45 < FreezingCold> *ghost noises
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:09:47 < LeelooMinai> ec|ipse: 10k at 5V is 0.5mA... you want more like 10mA per segment
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:09:59 < JFK911> corecode: its an H8 size.  I moved it from my big car when i got a new battery for it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:09 < JFK911> I need to make sure the battery thats currently in the big car will fit in the econobox.
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:10:13 < FreezingCold> ec|ipse: without even doing the math a 330 ohm resistor is probably around right
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:16 < JFK911> they are the same make of car.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:32 < JFK911> the econobox has a height issue.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:33 < corecode> always go for 1k
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:38 < corecode> <3 1k
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:10:39 < FreezingCold> corecode: I like 330's more
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:43 < corecode> ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:10:47 < FreezingCold> I save my 1k for input pins
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:48 < ec|ipse> Ok, so 2V source is not all that has to be thought of?
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:10:49 < corecode> 1k means less current, less bright
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:11:02 < password> 1k is awesome
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:11:21 < ec|ipse> I just did it because the spec says max 2.4 volts
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:11:29 < LeelooMinai> still=steal
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:11:31 < corecode> ec|ipse: use 5V on the anode, and 1k resistors on every cathode
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:11:45 < FreezingCold> 5V/15mA = 333 ohms
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:11:51 < corecode> ec|ipse: that will give you approx 3mA current
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:12:00 < FreezingCold> meh 3mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:04 < corecode> is good
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:09 < corecode> sufficient to see
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:11 < corecode> and not blinding
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:24 < corecode> LeelooMinai: common anode
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:31 < corecode> LeelooMinai: goes directly to 5V
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:12:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, same thing - then he should do that on the kathode side
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:12:54 < FreezingCold> corecode: his device is rated for 20 mA
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:13:03 < FreezingCold> they give specs in 10 ma and 20 ma
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:13:05 < LeelooMinai> ec|ipse: Use this to calculate the resistors: http://ledcalc.com/
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:13:06 < FreezingCold> so I say 15 mA
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:13:31 < FreezingCold> 5V / 330 ohms = 15 mA
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:13:32 < FreezingCold> perfect
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:13:53 < LeelooMinai> ec|ipse: If it's common anode then connect anode to 5V and for each segment put a resitor on the cathode
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:13:54 < corecode> FreezingCold: yes.  that's why i pick 3mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:02 < corecode> LeelooMinai: that's what i just said
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:09 < ec|ipse> ok ill try it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:14:15 < corecode> FreezingCold: no need to run these things on blinding bright
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:19 < LeelooMinai> corecode: I said it earlier - only did not write:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:36 < corecode> i think i will transition to ngspice
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:38 < corecode> from ltspice
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:14:50 < LeelooMinai> corecode: Lame...
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:14:53 < FreezingCold> corecode: oops I forgot to remove the forward voltage
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:14:54 < FreezingCold> awkard
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:03 < corecode> ...
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:11 < corecode> guess how i get to 3mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:16 < corecode> that's why i use 1k
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:19 < LeelooMinai> corecode: TINA-TI > ltspice monstrosity
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:20 < corecode> so easy to calculate :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:25 < corecode> LeelooMinai: ah?
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:15:27 < FreezingCold> (5-2)/15e-3
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:15:31 < FreezingCold> 200 ohms ;p
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:15:34 < corecode> LeelooMinai: can TINA-TI do IBIS?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:16:00 < LeelooMinai> corecode: Hmm... don't know
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T11:16:16 < FreezingCold> ec|ipse: use anything from 150 ohms to 2k ohms
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:16:30 < ec|ipse> Nothing is lighting up still
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T11:16:58 < corecode> LeelooMinai: doesn't seem like
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T12:34:50 < FreezingCold> fuck fuck fuck
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T12:36:09 < bertrik> good morning
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T12:37:17 < Polesch> Is there an easy way to make a +36V and -36V symmetric supply?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-21T12:38:10 < FreezingCold> fuck fuck fuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-21T12:38:21  * FreezingCold is racing to get a last minute project done
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T12:41:41 < cheater> lol german google is having an outage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:36:43 < AgentCarmichael> When I tried the one with 0.05V that one didn't power the LED at all. I suppose 0.15V is the lowest you can go to get a little light
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:36:47 < AgentCarmichael> It was very dim so it was useless
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:37:01 < JFK911> you must have been in total darkness
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:37:14 < AgentCarmichael> I wasn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:37:16 < madis_> yeah, he's very dim.
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T14:37:19 < AgentCarmichael> But reasonable darkness yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:19:30 < tinco> http://www.ti.com/product/dac37j84 <-- I'm figuring out how I would work with something like this
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:19:44 < tinco> it does over 1GSPS at 16bit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:19:57 < tinco> that translates to 16gbit in my head
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:20:20 < tinco> oh shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:20:22 < tinco> ehh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:24:58 < Jan-> no, she's emailing phil
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:25:08 < Jan-> *sigh*
2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:25:17 < tinco> the doctor?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-21T15:25:37 < dnile> tinco: looking at the datasheet, it has a 10-bit LVDS output for each channel, so there'd be no need for 10gbit-class transceivers on the FPGA, you could get the data into the FPGA at data rates of 1gbps per pair
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T02:32:16 < nullvibe> hmm...came back too late
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T02:32:59  * nullvibe makes makefiles mostly indirectly via scripted and other automated means these days
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T02:33:10 < blockh34d> cmake?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T02:33:41 < Seeker`> Are Datron multimeters any good?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T02:33:47 < nullvibe> autoconf, automake, provided configure scripts, and a few custom concoctions from days of yore
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:00:43 < GPF_1> may not have the fancy graphics like those meters but it works.
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:00:56 < blockh34d> cool i'll try that out GPF_1 thanks
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:01:09 < blockh34d> BettleBottle: ok thanks i'll look into that one too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:02:13 < blockh34d> wow fritzing look really nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:02:41 < BettleBottle> i like that it has breadboarding
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:05:29 < blockh34d> maybe i'll test wire my accel before i really wire it
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:05:40 < blockh34d> never did i2c before so it'll be a learning experiment anyways
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:05:47 < LeelooMinai> blockh34d: After that period, you will need power/flexibility/speed, things like that, and all that blinki lego stuff will be just useless and annoying
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:06:21 < blockh34d> it looks like you can turn it off
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:06:41 < blockh34d> i see a basic wire flowchart sort of view too in the screenshots
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T03:06:43 < GPF_1>  for schematic and board level stuff, Kicad is ok for opensource.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T04:50:05 < JFK911> is a 13mm thread different
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T04:50:27 < LeelooMinai> Metric sizes are different - different thread spacing, etc.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T04:50:37 < FreezingCold> wow, linked in is 100 times creepier than facebook
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T04:50:39 < JFK911> oh right i should know that
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T04:50:46 < LeelooMinai> Instead of TPI
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T04:51:19 < JFK911> last project i overpaid because i was thinking in metric (the fasteners around me were metric anyway)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:19:53 < FreezingCold> Who's formatting in FAT16?!
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:20:00 < FreezingCold> Did I jump in a time machine?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:20:58 < JFK911> because fat32 is the best idea for a 128 meg flash isnt it
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:21:27 < FreezingCold> ext4 with journaling disabled
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:21:57 < JFK911> thats usable everywhere
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:22:39 < nullvibe> ext2
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:22:55 < ohsix> HUBLAGUHGUHGUH
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:02 < DoYouKnow> why is there a tone that whenever I move it changes frequency?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:04 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: ext4 with disabled journaling is much nicer
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:07 < JFK911> im not sure if my car stereo or the kodak photoprinting machine at walmart will read that
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:08 < DoYouKnow> when received by the patch antenna
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:15 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: same overhead more features
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:19 < JFK911> isnt ext4 minus journal equals ext3?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:20 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: and also less compatible with OSes other than linux
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:28 < ohsix> JFK911: ish
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:34 < FreezingCold> JFK911: ext3 has journals
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:36 < ohsix> nullvibe: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOgivinga fuck
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:41 < DoYouKnow> holy shit I think I'm bugged
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:41 < nullvibe> AND more resource-intensive, for that matter
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:42 < JFK911> FreezingCold: if you -j
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:43 < r0b-> sup
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:47 < ohsix> i thought we werne't going to do this wounded creature thing anymore
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:23:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: isn't it on by default?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:23:59 < DoYouKnow> someone has a bioelectric probe in me
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:05 < nullvibe> JFK911: ext3 minus journal is ext2
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:24:05 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i had to do it manually.  in ext4 i believe its default.
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:26 < nullvibe> or conversely, you can add a journal to ext2 later and it becomes ext3
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:30 < DoYouKnow> I wish you guys could see this because it's really weird
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:42 < ohsix> it doesn't really become one thing or another
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:52 < JFK911> DoYouKnow: arent we looking at the same horse speculum
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:24:54 < ohsix> there are some forward only metadata changes
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:01 < nullvibe> ohsix: it does when the journal is the feature defining the difference between the two
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:25:09 < FreezingCold> there's a online defragger for ext4 which is sick
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:16 < JFK911> removable media should always be fat
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:17 < ohsix> nullvibe: nope
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:20 < JFK911> thats just the way it is
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:51 < ohsix> ext2/3/4 is not
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:25:54 < DoYouKnow> how can that be?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:25:55 < FreezingCold> [20140422:002510~]$ history | grep 4defrag | head -1
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:25:56 < FreezingCold> 31255  e4defrag
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:25:59 < FreezingCold> yeah e4defrag
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:00 < JFK911> DoYouKnow: uh doppler?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:04 < nullvibe> ohsix: nope, sorry. you aren't trolling me again
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:18 < ohsix> nullvibe: you were trolling buddy. and you told me you wouldn't do it again
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:26:22 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Why does Windows always claim my media is damaged?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:35 < ohsix> nullvibe: i'm merely pointing out that it's inconsistent with your crazy point of view, but in this case you don't seem to care
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:26:44 < JFK911> FreezingCold: because your stacker volume is corrupted
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:46 < DoYouKnow> JFK911: I think I'm altering the capacitance of my monitor
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:26:54 < DoYouKnow> and that's changing the frequency of emission or something
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:26:56 < FreezingCold> JFK911: this is right after a format often
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:27:02 < Storyteller> um, hard would it be to build your own HUD like google glass?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:27:11 < Storyteller> but, with your own stuff on it
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:27:14 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you cant use stacker and doublespace at the same time
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:27:22 < FreezingCold> JFK911: uh, what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:27:31 < ohsix> storyteller gave up on his game console research eh
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:27:35 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: well, either way you give up your sex life
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:29:48 < R0b0t1> I wouldn't trust me
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:29:51 < R0b0t1> if I were me
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:30:03 < ohsix> on the toilet?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:30:04 < FreezingCold> man ext6 is already six years old
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:30:06 < FreezingCold> why not use it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:30:08 < FreezingCold> er
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:30:10 < FreezingCold> ext4*
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:30:18 < DoYouKnow> JFK911: why is it doing this?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:32:08 < Storyteller> or project?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:32:19 < DoYouKnow> JFK911: I think I figured it out... I was in the path of the radiation between my computer monitor and the patch antenna
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:32:21 < ohsix> FreezingCold: if you're thinking of fat16 there usually aren't many other options
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:32:34 < ohsix> there's literally no reason except 'this thing won't do it'
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:32:41 < DoYouKnow> JFK911: the backside of the patch was facing the monitor
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:32:56 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I usually email files or spruge them if it's small
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:33:08 < DoYouKnow> when I changed the capacitance of my monitor or the cable of the monitor, the frequency changed
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:33:27 < ohsix> i can't email my wii which still uses fat for some stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:33:39 < madist> how does one change the capacitance of a monitor ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:33:49 < FreezingCold> ohsix: doesn't the wii have email?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:33:54 < DoYouKnow> by touching the desk, madist
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:34:16 < DoYouKnow> I have some metal on my desk
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:34:27 < DoYouKnow> I was leaning my foot on the cabinets
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:34:33 < DoYouKnow> and that seemed to strengthen the effect
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:10 < DoYouKnow> whenever I moved any body part, I saw the frequency change
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:35:11 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: there's linux on the wii, and where there's linux, there's email :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:20 < DoYouKnow> in front of the antenna
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:35:27 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: isn't the Wii BSD?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:35:28 < FreezingCold> wait
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:31 < DoYouKnow> wood floors
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:35:35 < FreezingCold> no I'm thinking of the PS3/4
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:37 < DoYouKnow> not touching anything at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:39 < DoYouKnow> same effect
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:54 < nullvibe> well, if you have the right firmware at the right time there's linux. Strongly suspect the only thing the bastards' updates DO is patch holes that allow us to use the hardware how we want
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:35:57 < ohsix> you remove an sd write files to it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T07:39:43 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: BIOS/UEFI need fat
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:39:45 < R0b0t1> because... reasons
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:41:21 < ohsix> they needed something
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T07:41:28 < ohsix> to put in the STANDARDS/specification
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:23:37 < R0b0t1> Also yeah ss23 I am tired
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:23:47 < ss23> We had a 4 day weekend, so my sleeping drifted into the "Fuck I'm only getting 4 hours sleep before work" area
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:25:18 < FreezingCold> this semester I had a 4 day weekend every week
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:26:41 < mrdata> FreezingCold so did you get some surfing done?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:27:10 < FreezingCold> man I didn't do enough =/
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:27:31 < ss23> Surf the web, dude!
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:27:36  * ss23 throws FreezingCold a mouse
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:27:49  * R0b0t1 catches some rad hypertext
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:27:57 < ss23> Sweet catch, dood!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:28:22 < FreezingCold> -.-
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:28:25  * mrdata sleeps, to be bright and alert for the police interview if it happens
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:28:31 < ss23> XD
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:28:43 < slav3_kitten> voltage drop across a sense resistor is I*R right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:28:52 < ss23> If the cops raid me, making bombs would be at the bottom of my list to give a shit about :P
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:29:18  * FreezingCold blinks at slav3_kitten 
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:29:25 < Storyteller> I dont think I can get in much trouble for anything I have
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:29:36 < Storyteller> but I have certifications and shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:29:46 < slav3_kitten> FreezingCold, i've gotten 3 hours of sleep over the last 2 days....
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:30:02 < FreezingCold> slav3_kitten: meh, I slept during the day today
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T08:30:08 < FreezingCold> probably not going to bother sleeping tonight
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:30:17 < slav3_kitten> say 50 amps over a 100mOhm resistor should be 50mV
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T08:30:39 < slav3_kitten> 50*.001=0.05
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T09:12:53 < Tachyon`> no burns?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T09:13:48 < FreezingCold> just spammed my resume to a dozen companies
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T09:14:09 < Casper> slav3_kitten: how did you succeded to stab you as hard?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T09:14:19 < Casper> or... maybe you did it on purpose?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T09:14:45 < slav3_kitten> Casper, probe slipped, finger in way
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T12:20:58 < v0latil3> Maybe I will try fat. I formatted the USB Drive in my Nexus 7. I'm guessing it formatted it as fat32
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2014-04.log:2014-04-22T12:21:27 < FreezingCold> ...you can do that directly from a Nexus 7?
2014-04.log:2014-04-22T12:21:30 < FreezingCold> Never knew that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T12:22:01 < v0latil3> Yeah. I have a USB otg cable. (Male USB micro > female usb
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T12:22:55 < evilbetty> hehe
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:08:25 < evilbetty> now that i have to work again the weather is pretty
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:08:38 < The_Coolest> cell reps are busy. left my number for them to call back
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:08:49 < evilbetty> wo is?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:42:32 < math_> speedevil, ok i see the schematics, is it somewhere explained?
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:42:34 < SpeedEvil> As Vce drops, gain falls off a cliff.
2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:42:36 < medfly> it's all in your head! :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:42:37 < medfly> heh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-22T13:42:55 < SpeedEvil> Especially as current rises.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:26:55 < canid> Yeah, I saw some nice integrated IMU packages in the $300 rance
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:27:02 < canid> cheap compared to builing the rest of a missile
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:27:07 < ss23> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:27:08 < Username__> ahhh
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:27:13 < yggdrasili> lol, who's making a missile?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T05:27:13 < canid> not so cheap compared to building the rest of a toy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:00 < DoYouKnow> I've pretty much blown every opportunity I've had to make money
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:19 < Username__> I turned down 6fig jobs for a 60k job and was quite happy. Lots of money creates lots of problems
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:22 < medfly> Username__: I've worked a really shitty minimum wage job, working a really shitty high paying job seems like a huge step up
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:08:37 < FreezingCold> Username__: can you pass that 6 fig job onto me?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:42 < the_file> tipping in general should be agianst law, its almost as if not doing so will result in molested foods on your next visit with same server
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:56 < the_file> which is disturbing
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:08:59 < Username__> freezingcold , relocate to a ND oil field and have a EE degree then sure =P
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:09:14 < FreezingCold> Username__: uhhh, how bout a community college degree?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:09:16 < FreezingCold> close enough eh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:09:17 < medfly> I wonder if those companies will hire a foreigner :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:09:35 < medfly> seems cool enough. there's always Canada, which is nicer to foreigners in general (I don't need a tourist visa for example)
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:09:35 < sabotender> the_file: I tend to agree. I think that waitstaff should receive a decent living wage so they will not need to rely on tips
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:09:56 < medfly> okay, guys, in general: what if I have a diff amp, and I take the single-ended output?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:09:57 < Username__> sabotender, do you also think your meal should cost 50 USD?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:00 < DoYouKnow> I have a degree in being lazy
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:10:02 < FreezingCold> medfly: You have to immigrant though, we don't take temp employees that often
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:03 < the_file> sabotender: tips are as bad as commition pay only jobs
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:03  * zigggggy hugs sabotender
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:10  * zigggggy delete the_file
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:15  * the_file system restore
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:19 < zigggggy> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:10:21 < medfly> FreezingCold: well yeah. for a few years. not to live there long term
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:32  * the_file waves magic wand
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:33 < sabotender> Username__: absolutely not! Wtf kind of meal is that? I can stretch 50 USD to a fortnight if I had to
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:34 < Username__> * This is not a test
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:35 < Username__> aww
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:41  * the_file zigggggy turns into pigggggy 
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:10:42 < FreezingCold> Hey so I'm applying for work, what's a fair pay for someone with a community college diploma in electronics with no work experience?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:43  * sabotender hugs zigggggy 
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:10:47 < zigggggy> :O
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:10:54 < FreezingCold> One company seems interested and they're offering $18/h (maybe)
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:11 < zigggggy> FreezingCold what kind of job
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:20 < sabotender> the_file: put your magic wand away, you are making people blush
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:29 < Username__> FreezingCold, without a degree you can drive a truck for 80k in oil field
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:32 < medfly> what I heard about oil companies is that people work like 14 hours a day or something absurd
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:33 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: basically PLC maintenance at assembly lines
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:38 < zigggggy> FreezingCold the pay also im sure depends on locality
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:43 < medfly> if I worked that long anywhere else I'd also get a high pay
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:43 < Username__> medfly : that is correct
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:45 < FreezingCold> Username__: I couldn't get a job like that because I don't look the role
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:47 < medfly> I mean, that's like double full time
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:11:55  * the_file pulls out obnoxtiously huge wand
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:11:59 < Username__> FreezingCold : drink lots and lots of beer
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:06  * the_file waves wand
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:10  * the_file bans all tips
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:14 < sabotender> oh dear
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:25 < the_file> hehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:31 < Username__> *username feels left out*
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:32 < zigggggy> sabotender i have a 16 hour flight tomorrow
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:12:37 < FreezingCold> Username__: maybe if I showed up to a meeting drunk haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:37  * the_file changes Username__ 
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:40 < medfly> I don't like the whole tipping thing. it strongly reminds me of bribes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:12:40 < the_file> =D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:13:39 < OoTLink> they make the full minimum wage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:13:49 < medfly> Username__: my mom works in the tourist industry, they pay money to anyone that gives them business
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:13:53 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: yeah it does. Minimum wage is $10.75 here
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:13:58 < FreezingCold> so $18/h is meh
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:14:02 < the_file> I don't ever tip anybody
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T08:14:03 < FreezingCold> but I don't have any job right now
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:14:04 < medfly> Username__: like, there are these people who have a large group of friends that go on group tours
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:14:14 < the_file> especially the pizza delivery people lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T08:14:17 < medfly> Username__: and those people will not be paying money to take the tour on a trip but the others will
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:02:48 < hoverboard> polesch, maybe they just seemed real at the time
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:02:51 < hoverboard> how high were you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:03:00 < Polesch> lol.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:03:14 < FreezingCold> you're higher than the amount of beaky's questions
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:03:19 < Polesch> My only high is the coffee in the morning
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:03:22 < hoverboard> lololol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:04:38 < Polesch> I don't like Hobbyking anymore, why does it have twice the price in the European warehouse :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:04:40 < hoverboard> beaky Q > ∞
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:05:03 < FreezingCold> haha we make fun of the kid a lot, but I was probably like him when I was 12 too
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:05:20 < FreezingCold> good for him for being curious :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:05:32 < hoverboard> beaky's seriously twelve?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:05:53 < FreezingCold> hoverboard: I always assumed he was around 12-15
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:06:13 < hoverboard> I pictured him as some 20 year old nerdy chick
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:06:31 < FreezingCold> na, he lives with his parents. They're expats in the UAE
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:06:35 < hoverboard> I actually had a relationship with beaky
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:06:40 < zigggggy> :OOOO
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:07:02 < FreezingCold> I think he's probably homeschooled given the amount of time he's on here
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:07:18 < zigggggy> i <3 beaky
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:07:22 < hoverboard> expats in UAE, sweet deal
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:07:32 < hoverboard> did you ask him how that came to be?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:07:46 < FreezingCold> hoverboard: he gets a bit quiet about the details
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:07:55 < hoverboard> don't we all
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:08:00 < FreezingCold> I'm assuming they work in the oil industry, probably engineers
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:08:07 < FreezingCold> would make sense based on his interests
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:08:08 < hoverboard> tht was my first thought
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:09:08 < FreezingCold> The UAE seems like a decent place, but damn it's expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:09:21 < hoverboard> that's what Faisal used to tell me
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:09:32 < FreezingCold> Who's Faisal?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:09:33 < madist> king faisal is your buddy ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:09:35 < hoverboard> except he didn't bitch about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:09:45 < hoverboard> his family raced camels and shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:09:48 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:10:05 < veek> isn't he dead.. tfaisal the original?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:10:09 < hoverboard> a friend of a friend who was from Abu Dhabi
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:10:14 < hoverboard> went to college with him
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:10:49 < madist> beaky once told me he is originally from Iran.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:10:55 < madist> I don't know if he was pulling my leg.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:11:05 < madist> don't know if beaky is capable of pulling leg.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:11:17 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:11:19 < FreezingCold> maybe he is
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:11:34 < FreezingCold> He doesn't sound very Persian to me though
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:11:46 < hoverboard> beaky's straight white bread yo
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:11:49 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:14:04 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZxT9MHAJU&feature=youtu.be&t=1m
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:17:29 < FreezingCold> that's how I picture JFK911
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:18:02 < madist> i wish planes would crash more often
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:18:12 < madist> there are so few plane crash compilation videos on youtube
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:18:55 < FreezingCold> andddd you're on a list
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:21:44 < hoverboard> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PV06M-Gqxgg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:32:33 < JFK911> FreezingCold: wrong mustache
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:48:47 < Fleck> FreezingCold: looks fake... (baseball vid)
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:48:55 < FreezingCold> Fleck: it's real I think
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:49:08 < FreezingCold> it was made for a documentary, that's why he's mic'd up
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:49:20 < Fleck> ohh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:50:19 < Fleck> maybe, maybe...
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T09:50:43 < FreezingCold> I dunno, don't care :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T09:51:55 < Fleck> same! :D
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:23:01 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:23:17 < FreezingCold> snapchat encrypts pictures with a hardcored password...
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:23:33 < hoverboard> cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:23:35 < speak> :D
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:24:12 < veek> FreezingCold, how does the recipient decrypt? shared key?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:25:04 < LeelooMinai> I think he meant hard-coded
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:25:42 < FreezingCold> https://kivikakk.ee/2013/05/10/snapchat.html
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:25:49 < FreezingCold> er yeah, I meant hardcoded
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:26:00 < veek> LeelooMinai, i assume this is for piccie sharing? in which case.. key-exchange?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:26:25 < LeelooMinai> If password is har-coded there's no need for any exchange:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:26:35 < FreezingCold> and it's the same password for everyone
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:26:40 < LeelooMinai> However... it's lame
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:26:58 < veek> LeelooMinai, if i set my password to 'sekret' and crypt and send you my piccie.. how will you decrypt
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T10:27:23 < LeelooMinai> veek: Are you even reading  what was written? :p
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:35:25 < FreezingCold> the encryption seems like a waste of CPU cycles
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:39:26 < FreezingCold> I don't understand why the idiots at snapchat didn't sell
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T10:39:30 < FreezingCold> wtf do they think they own
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:12 < AkashicLegend> has anyone here used the rigol scope
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:18:20 < FreezingCold> heh, I'm not really a flowchart person
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:21 < LeelooMinai> ltspice is terrible in terms of usability - probably worst UI I have ever seen:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:28 < JFK911> AkashicLegend: i dont believe you must buy a brand new instrument.  i have a few that are used
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:29 < Polesch> The DS1052E is more than adequate
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:18:29 < FreezingCold> it gets way too complex way too fast
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:36 < Polesch> And get a second-hand one that you can hack
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:37 < madist> Polesch: ...
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:18:54 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:18:59 < FreezingCold> Polesch: it's hard to find them second hand
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:06 < madist> ltspice is fine. if you have trouble with ltspice you might be in need of a brain augumentation surgery.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:19:13 < JFK911> FreezingCold: ebay
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:19:21 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=DS1052E&_sop=15
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:19:22 < FreezingCold> nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:27 < JFK911> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:30 < JFK911> those things are so cheap brand new
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:19:34 < FreezingCold> cheapest is $400
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:39 < veek> AkashicLegend, EEVBlog has a rigol review
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:45 < Polesch> madist, I'm a real beginner, I know what I'm talking about!
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:19:48 < LeelooMinai> There's nothing fine in ltspice - it's an abomination
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:25:27 < evilbetty> i think velleman sells a circuit just for that purpose
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:25:58 < JFK911> heh ebay 260732982052 anoter weird GOULD machine
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:26:33 < shrdlu-> eliot gould?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:26:34 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:26:50 < FreezingCold> canada doesn't have nearly as much electronic equipment :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:27:07 < JFK911> i dont know what to expect trying to fedex to canada
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:27:27 < shrdlu-> bears
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:28:26 < JFK911> and 20% goes to a reshipper in california
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:28:30 < madist> aren't you in .au ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:28:34 < JFK911> no im in usa
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:28:37 < FreezingCold> JFK911: do not use fedex
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:28:47 < FreezingCold> they will MURDER Canadians on custom fees
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:28:51 < JFK911> FreezingCold: how would i ship a 80 pound machine to canada then?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:28:55 < FreezingCold> JFK911: USPS
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:28:59 < JFK911> too heavy for usps.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:08 < madist> send it by mule train
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:10 < JFK911> their limit is 70 pounds
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:14 < corecode> JFK911: how's the battery?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:16 < JFK911> they have a size limit too
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:29:19 < FreezingCold> JFK911: split it in two packages
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:31 < JFK911> corecode: i havent played with it, it probably self discharged hehehe
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:29:38 < FreezingCold> JFK911: what kind of a machine are we talking about?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:42 < corecode> my new one is supposed to arrive today
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:42 < evilbetty> oh right speaking about ebay
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:29:48 < evilbetty> i need to see if my complaint arrived
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:29:57 < JFK911> FreezingCold: well, last week i sold a HP radio test set
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:30:16 < evilbetty> nop
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:30:17 < JFK911> 78 pounds and the box was 30 x 24 x 12 inches
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:30:18 < evilbetty> no reply
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:30:53 < JFK911> it went to a reshipper for someone in south america
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:31:18 < evilbetty> :o
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:31:29 < evilbetty> banggood sells a spiral vegetale slicer
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T11:31:38 < FreezingCold> I bought a dashcam from banggood a few days ago
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:31:50 < JFK911> i want one with multiple camera inputs
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:31:51 < evilbetty> in case you've always wanted those spiral veggie slices you can get em now for <$6
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:32:03 < JFK911> so i can have cams behind me and to the sides too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:48:44 < Polesch> I personally only look at the total sum I pay vs. the value of the item.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:49:20 < evilbetty> shipping on ebay is separate from bids
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:50:08 < JFK911> maybe.  for here, ebay lets you do a shipping calculator, so obviously closer people to me can bid higher
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:50:09 < evilbetty> it gets added after you won the item
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T11:50:16 < evilbetty> ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:14:12 < anton02> seems unreliable
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:14:24 < evilbetty> i was just saying that with some smart encoding of tracks you can get higher resolution
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:14:33 < evilbetty> why would it be?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:14:52 < anton02> because ambient lighting could interfere
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:14:57 < password2> anton02, just brake of the fins such that just the hub stays behind
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:15:14 < anton02> yeah thats what i meant when i said cut out the white bits
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:19:30 < evilbetty> and your arguments aren't gonna change that :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:19:38 < password2> *because i
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:19:54 < password2> i just wish i could turn them of
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:20:05 < evilbetty> i knew it
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T13:20:26 < evilbetty> the dude is just back from paternity leave since yesterday and he's already having excuses to go home at noon
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:25:00 < evilbetty> so is an ne5534 and they're popular for audio
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:25:20 < evilbetty> they're jus a tad harder because you need to calculate resistors to have minimum offset on output
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:25:38 < The_Coolest> well I'm planning to use a 10K pot. don't think that will pose an issue
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:25:39 < FreezingCold> ugh could someone throw this up on a torrent or rehost it for me?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:25:46 < FreezingCold> http://files.rockwellautomation.com/UR/V17_Demo.zip
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:25:55 < FreezingCold> actually, could you just see if it even works?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:26:02 < FreezingCold> I think it's my school's nazi firewall
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:26:49 < evilbetty> The_Coolest: http://tangentsoft.net/audio/hs-opamp.html   a bit of reading how to select feedback resistors for minimum offset on bjt opamps and crap like that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:29:00 < The_Coolest> evilbetty I just randomly picked one of the 5 i got :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:29:05 < evilbetty> all the urls i posted in the past days were all on tangentsoft :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:29:50 < madist> FreezingCold: what s that supposed to be ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:30:09 < FreezingCold> madist: RSLogix 5000
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T14:30:41 < FreezingCold> ahhh, finally got it downloading
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:33:05 < evilbetty> i need a good youtube url
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:46:57 < evilbetty> indeed
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T14:46:59 < JFK911> that list is bad, it doesnt include space jews, and my current project includes 3 space jews
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:04:51 < evilbetty> smoketime
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:05:56 < corecode> SpeedEvil: how?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:06:10 < corecode> have a rocket launch next to you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:06:28 < corecode> ew, we're getting oil delivered
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:06:29 < Miyu> evilbetty: I don't really use Facebook beyond using it as a glorified email inbox :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:17:41 < JFK911> i bet they are really HV250R's
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:21:15 < evilbetty> cd4077 and 4511 more likely
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:31:28 < evilbetty> all my effort for nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:31:54 < evilbetty> work network is down again
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:32:01 < evilbetty> my ssh disconnected 2x already
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:33:44 < odo2063> photo of my missing types: http://de.tinypic.com/r/2vjd05w/8
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T15:34:59 < zap0> odo2063, what be them chips?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:07:01 < evilbetty> ^smoketime brb
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:07:06 < blockh34d> it would motivate me to spend less and eat better
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:07:08 < blockh34d> thats a great idea
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:07:40 < evilbetty> nevermind not pleased with the company
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:07:53 < evilbetty> i'll go smoke alone in 15 :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T16:09:10 < evilbetty> i wanted to follow a woman but then i saw a few men
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:29:40 < password2> can you do what?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:35:11 < Lope> is there any easy way to tell if a vacuum cleaner uses an induction motor in the shop without opening it?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:35:24 < OoTLink> probably noise
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:35:26 < FreezingCold> huh, this stupid torrent site doesn't have a download button?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:35:27 < Lope> (aside from it having speed control)
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:35:32 < madist> highly unlikely a vacuum will have an induction motor. it needs good starting torque.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:36:01 < Lope> Why does a vacuum cleaner need good starting torque?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:36:03 < ShadowJK> but fancy home appliances are appearing that have induction motor and vfd, or brushless dc motors
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:36:07 < Lope> (that's great to know, thanks)
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:36:09 < FreezingCold> there we go
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:36:11 < FreezingCold> downloading
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:36:15 < OoTLink> dude don't take that as a fact though
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:36:18 < FreezingCold> might not be any seeders though
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:36:20 < OoTLink> I'm pretty much pulling it out of my butt lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:37:00 < OoTLink> although I wonder if you put a radio by it on an AM frequency not used by anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:37:01 < madist> it doesn't actually.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:45:42 < password2> Lope, you can feed your vacuum much lower dc than ac
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:45:48 < Lope> its like those guys who put an inverter in their car to run a computer.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:46:03 < FreezingCold> Guest93944: well, do you know what mom stands for? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:46:03 < OoTLink> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:46:07 < OoTLink> nobody does that anymore lope
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:46:11 < Lope> password2: what do you mean lower DC than AC?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:57:55 < Lope> I'm talking about caps that sit after a full wave AC rectifier
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:58:11 < Lope> you're thinking of the caps on an inductance motor, I'm not talking about inductance motors at all.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:58:34 < FreezingCold> Anyone here worked with RSLogix before?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:58:39 < password2> Lope,  just do as you please
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:58:40 < FreezingCold> I'm downloading RSLogix 500
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:58:47 < FreezingCold> Want to play around with it for a bit
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:58:59 < password2> i have no idea what it is
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T19:59:15 < FreezingCold> password2: allen bradley
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T19:59:25 < password2> :?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:00:19 < password2> i would just number them
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:00:28 < password2> and annotate the drawing
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:00:30 < SpeedEvil> There are various ground symbols you ould use
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:00:37 < FreezingCold> password2: like, the huge product line from rockwell automation
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:00:42 < FreezingCold> you've never heard of them...?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:00:47 < password2> nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:01:20 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:01:22 < SpeedEvil> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_%28electricity%29#Electronics
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:01:23 < FreezingCold> where are you from?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:01:33 < password2> sa
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:01:34 < FreezingCold> you can't be from north america
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:01:42  * SpeedEvil needs to investigate why gnd in the greenhouse is 50V over earth ground
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:01:43 < zap0> FreezingCold, i worked at Rockwell.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:02:00 < FreezingCold> zap0: So I assume you're pretty good with RSLogix? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:02:12 < password2> anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:02:13 < password2> steak!
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:02:40 < zap0> for about a week.. in the 90's.   re-wiring US chargers to AU standards.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:03:11 < FreezingCold> oh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:05:23 < zap0> im going to presume RSLogix is some custom PLC thingy
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:05:34 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:05:40 < oscillate_> I just used desoldering braid for the first time
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:05:50 < FreezingCold> I think the only place I'm going to get a job is as a PLC technician
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:05:51 < oscillate_> works very well
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:05:53 < password2> and
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:06:09 < oscillate_> thats what i've always used
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:06:12 < password2> damn , i forgot my solder sucker at home , again
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:06:51 < FreezingCold> zap0: what? Why are we talking about your wife?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:07:30 < zap0> FreezingCold, most of that stuff in teh field is just  Oi! Monkey go replace this black box.   and then some office based script kiddy does some remote hackery.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:07:37 < Poent> Hey guys. Does anyone have a quick reference for filtering a dc/dc stepdown converter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:07:46 < zap0> i doubt there is anything repairable with the actual electronics.
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:07:51 < FreezingCold> zap0: I want the remote hackery job
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:08:30 < FreezingCold> my friend/classmate got a job awhile back
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:08:36 < FreezingCold> they don't even let him PROGRAM the PLCs
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:08:38 < FreezingCold> he just wires them
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:09:01 < FreezingCold> kinda depressing
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:09:46 < zap0> they aren't exactly easy to program; they use this silly ladder logic nonsense, flow control is really hard thing to follow.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:10:04 < evilbetty> i got a new pet
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:10:13 < evilbetty> a pigeon that doesnt wanna leave my yard anymore
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:11:11 < zap0> evilbetty, get a ferret.
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:11:13 < evilbetty> scale woop
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:11:33 < evilbetty> i thought scale was cloudrelatedmanagerspeak
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:12:08 < FreezingCold> zap0: yeah I've done Omron PLCs
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:13:01 < FreezingCold> same deal with ladder logic
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:13:13 < zap0> evilbetty, scalable virtual cloud infrastructure as a service... or  SVCIaaS  for those in the know ;)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:40:36 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, should I learn RSLogix 500 or 5000 this weekend?
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:40:46 < evilbetty> or get laid
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:40:49 < evilbetty> hard choice
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:41:15 < evilbetty> anyway by lack of chances for the 3rd i'd go for 5000
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:41:25 < evilbetty> 5000 sounds a lot fancier than 500
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:41:27 < FreezingCold> that's what I'm doing on friday
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:41:30 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:41:40 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I think companies might be mostly stuck on 500 though
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:41:46 < evilbetty> right
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:41:59 < evilbetty> try fancy companies
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:42:02 < password2> learn the older one first
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:42:28 < evilbetty> like apple
2014-04.log:2014-04-23T20:42:29 < FreezingCold> password2: reasoning?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:42:43 < password2> brb
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T20:42:52 < evilbetty> bbl
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T21:06:00 < evilbetty> well the engine basucakkly just has to pump fgor the hydraulics
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2014-04.log-2014-04-23T21:06:34 < SpeedEvil> password2: the base-emitter junction looks pretty much like a diode + resistor
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T21:06:47 < evilbetty> robot in auto follow mode :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-23T21:06:54 < evilbetty> kinda scary to be followed by a huge robot lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T02:43:34 < reportingsjr> ShadowJK: it seems like they do, but I wonder if they are legit..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:01:42 < ShadowJK> reportingsjr; something weird about them
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:16:20 < R0b0t1> anyone got experience with freecad, openscad, or other?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:28:07 < FreezingCold> ahhh, nothing like using aria2c to open up 16 connections <3
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:31:12 < FreezingCold> I wonder how many servers check the logs and go wtf
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:33:22 < R0b0t1> They only check the logs and go wtf if they don't have some QoS settings
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:33:41 < R0b0t1> also I envy you if a single download doesn't saturate your connection
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:33:42 < FreezingCold> I should crank it up to 100 download channels
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:33:53 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: 45/4Mbps
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:38:33 < parco> I'm looking for small form factor, anything that doesn't require a massive heat sink?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:38:39 < R0b0t1> a normal relay
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:38:50 < R0b0t1> I'm not sure an SSR would get too hot, though
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:39:31 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: as long as it's rated for 120VAC and his 12.5A load, I don't see why not
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:39:37 < parco> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Solid-State-Relay-SSR-40DA-40A-250V-W-I-O-3-32VDC-24-380VAC-Heat-Sink-/200932255520?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ec87ee720
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:39:44 < FreezingCold> heh ebay
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:39:46 < parco> that heat sink is huge!
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T03:39:59 < parco> FreezingCold: honestly i cant find a better price anywhere elsed
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:41:06 < R0b0t1> parco: How often will you be switching it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T03:41:18 < parco> not too often
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:24:28 < obnauticus> Well, I guess this is worth a shot: http://www.reddit.com/r/AskCulinary/comments/23tpie/ama_im_trying_to_revolutionize_the_restaurant/
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:28:02 < R0b0t1> Anyone use open source cad stuff?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:28:11 < R0b0t1> FreeCAD/OpenSCAD look pretty good
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:28:21 < FreezingCold> obnauticus: congrats on getting the interview
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:28:34 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: meh, if I was going to learn a new cad software properly, it would be brlcad
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:28:45 < obnauticus> FreezingCold yeah im trying to get some signees now
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:28:46 < obnauticus> its going to be hard.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:28:49 < R0b0t1> yeeeeaaaah I'd used brlcad
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:28:51 < obnauticus> the interview is this weekend
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:29:43 < obnauticus> Their development skills are really crappy
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:30:19 < R0b0t1> they don't need skills (necessarily) they need monkeys that can copy competitors
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:30:43 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Has brlcad seen much development?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:31:30 < ohsix> technically
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:31:39 < ohsix> it's really obtuse though
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:37:02 < R0b0t1> freecad seems to look the best
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:37:19 < MjrTom> it looks marvelous
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:38:17 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: The US Army still pays people to do dev work on it
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:38:21 < FreezingCold> ##brlcad has people
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:38:28 < FreezingCold> er #brlcad
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:39:35 < R0b0t1> freecad looks interactive
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:40:26 < R0b0t1> well
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:40:30 < R0b0t1> more interactive than brlcad
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:42:43 < R0b0t1> "Although BRL-CAD can be used for a variety of engineering and graphics applications, the package's primary purpose continues to be the support of ballistic and electromagnetic analyses."
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:42:45 < R0b0t1> Hehe.
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:42:47 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: by "interactive", do you mean making parts or do you mean simulating them?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:42:48 < R0b0t1> Railguns?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:43:06 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Making parts and updating geometry realtime or close to it
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:43:12 < R0b0t1> click and drag things around, for example
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:43:16 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I find brlcad great for that
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:43:22 < R0b0t1> Can you do that now?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:43:25 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:43:29 < R0b0t1> Oh well then
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:43:34 < R0b0t1> I'll look at it again
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:44:28 < FreezingCold> the new interface is called Archer
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:44:53 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: https://i.imgur.com/za6iRgC.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:01 < R0b0t1> ooo shiny
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:19 < R0b0t1> well wait
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:45:23 < FreezingCold> wait what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:26 < R0b0t1> can you constrain parts in relation to each other and move them?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:28 < R0b0t1> that's what I meant
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:45:36 < FreezingCold> yep, you create groups
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:43 < R0b0t1> nonono
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:46 < R0b0t1> like
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:45:48 < R0b0t1> the parts interact
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:46:04 < FreezingCold> again, do you mean statically or simulation?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:46:16 < R0b0t1> I think last time I looked into this brlcad probably never would have supported it because of it's modeling model
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:46:18  * R0b0t1 starts remembering
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:46:31 < FreezingCold> simulation isn't there
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:46:35 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Not a sim, I mean you drag parts around and it updates their position based on how you constrained them
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:46:52 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah, you can move stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:46:57 < FreezingCold> I usually use the command line
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:47:02 < R0b0t1> no like
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:47:16 < R0b0t1> move it, but make sure some face of a prism is always parallel to a face of something else
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:47:50 < R0b0t1> Or that two circular objects are concentric
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:47:56 < R0b0t1> er, share a centerline
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:48:09 < FreezingCold> Not really, tbh I don't snapping
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:48:15 < FreezingCold> I only do snapping if it's a rough draft
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:48:19 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: not snapping
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:48:23 < Bird|otherbox> mechanical constraints
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:49:10 < FreezingCold> http://brlcad.org/wiki/A_Survey_of_Implicit_Constraints_in_Primitives#Types_of_Implicit_Constraints
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:49:14 < R0b0t1> brlcad was a huge PITA because I don't remember ever finding a way to specify things in relation to other objects on-screen
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:49:16 < FreezingCold> No clue if that's what you want
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:49:22 < R0b0t1> this made defining anything a huge ordeal
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:49:23 < anton02> does mabuchi make haul truck motors?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:49:37 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: yep that's it
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:49:47 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: oh, so it does have it :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:49:49 < R0b0t1> wait no
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:49:56 < FreezingCold> MAKE UP YOUR MIND haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:50:06 < R0b0t1> that's just intra-shape constraints
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:50:08 < anton02> what is a good .28 gigawatt motor?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:50:29 < anton02> what is a good .28/4 gigawatt motor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:50:31 < R0b0t1> "Implement a (non-linear) sweep primitive (similar to extrude) that takes a primitive (2D or 3D), a path, and orientation(s) along that path "
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T05:50:35 < R0b0t1> oh god damn it doesn't have that either
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:50:40 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: ask #brclad
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:51:15 < FreezingCold> /j #brlcad
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:59:50 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T05:59:58 < FreezingCold> I graduated college today
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:00:54 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: http://www.freecadweb.org/wiki/images/3/33/Rim_bling.png
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:01:24 < anton02> why does this not tell me the J? http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/en_US/cat_files/fa_130ra.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:03:05 < Casper> J?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:04:52 < Casper> fahadash: a transistor is not just on and off, it can be partially on too
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:04:52 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Look at freecad, I doubt you are using the things that brlcad was created to support
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:05:12 < MjrTom> yeah I either need to pay more attention (which doesn't seem likely) or stop responding when I'm distracted, which I've tried to tell myself to do before, but I dont seem to listen
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:09:27 < kevr> what could i use to 'multiplex' a current?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:29:25 < hjohnson> fahadash: eh, the Pacific Tsunami warning centre is a top flight organization
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:29:44 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: fu fun
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:29:46 < FreezingCold> *fun fun
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:29:56 < parco> R0b0t1: forgot to ask why you wouldn't recommend the parallel ssr's?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:30:02 < hjohnson> anyhow, no tsunami expected
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:30:08 < hjohnson> wrong kind of earthquake
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:40:53 < parco> fahadash: first thing is dont be confused with a MOSFET, BJT's depend on base current, not voltage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:41:29 < fahadash> parco, The current on the base is 0 amps isnt it ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:41:43 < FreezingCold> jesus christ my laptop is hot
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:42:03 < JFK911> fan probably clogged with dog hair
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:42:04 < FreezingCold> lol wtf brlcad was rendering something in the background the whole time
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:42:24 < parco> fahadash: how fast is the flashing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:42:49 < fahadash> parco, This http://cappels.org/dproj/simplest_LED_flasher/blinking.gif
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:45:23 < push[EAX]> if you consider transistors magical, then yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:45:50 < push[EAX]> now send us bitcoins if you don't want it to be raining frogs
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:45:51 < MjrTom> apparently it's based on reverse CB leakage
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:46:08 < FreezingCold> push[EAX]: wanna buy my bitcoins?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:46:16 < FreezingCold> 0.25 for $250
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:46:19 < FreezingCold> USD
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:46:22 < push[EAX]> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:46:38 < parco> MjrTom: elaborate?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:46:45 < FreezingCold> man I tried to sell when it was $1100, but it was such a PITA I said screw it
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:46:46 < push[EAX]> I bought mine at 30$/unit
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:46:52 < push[EAX]> years ago
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:46:56 < FreezingCold> I never bought any
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T06:47:10 < FreezingCold> I mined for two days and said this is pointless
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:47:14 < MjrTom> parco one of the answers here: http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/24010/does-any-current-flow-through-c-e-of-npn-bjt-when-the-base-is-floating
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:47:58 < anton02> what online catalogue should I use to compare the largest available to man DC and AC motors?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T06:48:55 < JFK911> the grainger catalog might be ok
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:04 < anton02> mrdata: i choose the gear ratio
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:07 < hjohnson> Storyteller: you really need to go smoke a bowl dude.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:07 < MjrTom> reverse CB leakage was the only answer I saw that made sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:40:13 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: well said
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:40:20 < FreezingCold> and I don't even condone pot
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:23 < yggdrasili> you guys talking about finding that plane? or something else?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:27 < hjohnson> or maybe stop... your paranoia is getting teh better of you.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:40:27 < Storyteller> why? Im calm, Im just sticking to my position
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:42:18 < Storyteller> its public knowledge for ages that there are satelittes that can see fine detail on the ground
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:42:42 < Storyteller> I mean, most people think the cops need a warrant to intercept text messages
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:42:54 < FreezingCold> Storyteller: I don't have a problem with the NSA
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:42:55 < Storyteller> they arent covered by wire protection act
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:42:57 < FreezingCold> why would you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:03 < Storyteller> I dont either, Id work there
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:43:10 < FreezingCold> oh good
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:16 < hjohnson> Storyteller: it's public knowledge amongst kooks who don't understand physics, sure.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:20 < AlanDuke_1989> Good Morning. If i may ask a question: I plan to use a tantalum capacitor being charged and disloaded re-occurent by rectangular voltage waveform. But i heard, that tantalum caps cand stand ripple voltage well. But i would prefer Ta in favour of Al electrolytics (size, more constant capacity, etc), can i go with it with frequencies approx. 10 - 50 kHz?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:43:21 < FreezingCold> yeah if they paid around $150k I'd do it in a heartbeat
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:26 < mrdata> anton02 in broad strokes, we have lower bound of 545 kW for the whole thing. so lb=136.25 kW for each wheel
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:29 < Storyteller> hjohnson, where are you from ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T07:43:34 < FreezingCold> wasn't snowden making bout $175k?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:35 < hjohnson> at best, they can make an educated guess at the type of vehicle from orbit, and maybe make out someone's head and shoulders
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:41 < hjohnson> Storyteller: Canada
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T07:43:46 < mrdata> so guess at efficiency and stuff
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:07:20 < Flynnn> I'm trying to use a diode *as a gate* that converts 0->Z and 1->1
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:07:25 < Flynnn> would that even work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:07:31 < LeelooMinai> They are basically small computers - at that point it's not really EE, but using a computer as some kind of overkilled controller - kind of lame
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:07:59 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:08:00 < password2> LeelooMinai, what if i want to do image processing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:08:05 < FreezingCold> +++++Leeloo
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:08:26 < password2> having a quad core gfx to do the fft speeds it up by a huge margin
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:08:29 < LeelooMinai> password2: Use FPGA:)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:25:07 < Flynnn> so, let me get this straight
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:25:14 < SpeedEvil> the resistor pulls the node to some defined voltage when the diode is not conducting
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:25:19 < FreezingCold> Is there more formal way of saying "I have cc'd firstname lastname on this email"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:25:32 < FreezingCold> I'm trying to BS my way out of work experience on this job posting
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:25:45 < Flynnn> "I have carbon copied first name last name on this email"
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:25:53 < Flynnn> that's my best guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:26:04 < SpeedEvil> I'd go with 'copied'
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:26:14 < password2> "... both feet will vibrate rapidly to celebrate."
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:26:28 < Flynnn> if I want to "create a gate" whose truth table is 0v->Z and 5V->5V, then I need to use a diode and a pull-up/down resistor?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:26:35 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: thanks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:27:02 < SpeedEvil> Flynnn: you almost never want to input Z to a gate.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:27:12 < SpeedEvil> Flynnn: it will have undefined behaviour in many cases
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:44:57 < Flynnn> when diode doesn't conduct, its output is undefined, but when it conducts, its output gets dragged to the input
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:45:00 < Flynnn> correct?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:45:21 < FreezingCold> I'm thinking of writing a script that finds every tech company in my city, finds the HR person and spams them with me asking about job openings
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:45:34 < FreezingCold> How badly could that go wrong?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:45:53 < Flynnn> FreezingCold: get blacklisted by your internet provider for spamming
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:46:03 < FreezingCold> Flynnn: by "spamming" I mean within reason
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:46:07 < FreezingCold> like, under 200 emails easily
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:46:25 < Flynnn> FreezingCold: so more or less just BCC to all of them at once
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:46:43 < FreezingCold> ish yeah, but with some scripting to replace names
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:46:48 < FreezingCold> So it looks personalized
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:46:51 < Flynnn> fair
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:46:54 < SpeedEvil> Flynnn: You will get vastly better response by at least somewhat personalising it
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:47:01 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold:
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:47:05 < Flynnn> SpeedEvil xD
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:47:09 < SpeedEvil> I mean actually customising the CV
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:47:10 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: [03:46:09] <FreezingCold> So it looks personalized
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:47:25 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: How can I customize a CV if I don't even have a job posting?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:47:37 < FreezingCold> I'm thinking of not even attaching my resume, that seems too spamy
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:47:43 < FreezingCold> just a "hey what's up babe, you hiring?"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:48:51 < Flynnn> FreezingCold: the upside to that is you don't give them enough info to decide about you before meeting you. On the flipside, you might simply annoy them, ruining your chances anyhow
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:50:58 < password2> and absolute is worst case is not getting hired
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:51:24 < FreezingCold> at that's where I am right now ^
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:58:13 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: you do a google of the company, highlight any possibly matching skills
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T10:58:34 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: Do you have suggests on how to bullshit my zero experience?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:58:45 < voxadam> Who do you guys use for a PCB service? I've heard DorkbotPDX's OSH Park service is pretty decent. Is there somewhere that can beat $5 per square inch for two layer boards?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T10:59:23 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: I use iTead - much cheaper than those above
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:00:00 < voxadam> LeelooMinai: Thanks, I'll give them a look. Good quality?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:00:39 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: 10x 2x2 inch boards - $10 + $4 or so shipping, good quality, 2 layer, 100% e-test
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:00:57 < voxadam> Damn.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:02:06 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: Find a local buisness you could be employed at. Now, set fire to it, ensuring to kill all employees and destroy all records.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:02:11 < SpeedEvil> Say you were employed there.
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:02:33 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: How do I account for people who may work from home?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:02:37 < FreezingCold> And contract employees?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:05:08 < shrdlu-> FreezingCold, pretend you were a manager at blockbuster for the last 10 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:05:18 < shrdlu-> who's gonna check??
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:05:18 < FreezingCold> oh shit that's a good idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:05:23 < FreezingCold> nobody knows about blockbuster anymore
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:05:29 < JFK911> voxadam: oshpark is pretty high spec
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:05:44 < FreezingCold> shrdlu-: wait, I think blockbuster died when I was like 14
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:05:46 < voxadam> JFK911: That's what I've heard.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:05:53 < shrdlu-> damn
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:06:12 < FreezingCold> wut, they claim they shut down in 2014
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:06:13 < FreezingCold> BULLSHIT
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:06:32 < JFK911> they just took the BBV signs down at my local strip mall
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:06:41 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: That have ENIG coating and 5mil, but you may not really need that
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:06:42 < OoTLink> hehe
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:33 < shrdlu-> kids have seen past the ugly veil of consumerism and are now spending their time pondering nature and helping the elderly
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:33 < OoTLink> nah that isn't how it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:34 < OoTLink> ok so
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:09:45 < FreezingCold> shrdlu-: and doing it high and drunk!
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:48 < JFK911> where are kids hanging out now
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:50 < OoTLink> the people that refuse to buy clothes from walmart still shop in the malls
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:09:51 < JFK911> faecebook
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:05 < JFK911> thats a walmart size
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:08 < OoTLink> unless I go to macys
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:09 < JFK911> every time im looking for 32's
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:11:14 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: dude, pick up a sport or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:17 < OoTLink> I did xD
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:20 < JFK911> theres 42 46 48 (in my height even)
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:23 < OoTLink> for that exact reason. It's embarrassing but hey
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:30 < evilbetty> with the obligatory D&G sunglasses in the hair
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:47 < OoTLink> I guess I'm not the most effective computer engineer, between my family and class I never really had time to do much till this quarter again ^^
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:11:49 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: honestly I eat pretty badly but I haven't gained weight in the past three/four years
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:50 < OoTLink> so that's what I'm doing
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:11:51 < intranick> WE BUILT THIS CITY ON ROCK AND LULZ!
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:12:00 < OoTLink> I don't have much of a gut, it's all in my butt
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:17:53 < OoTLink> you're right. I have not had any sexual relations with anyone
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:03 < corecode> ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:06 < JFK911> i dont know about gay dating.  do they have dance for foreplay?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:18:07 < FreezingCold> well that got depressing
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:15 < OoTLink> but uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:18 < corecode> JFK911: i would expect so
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:20 < OoTLink> women are better eye candy in my eyes so
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:18:27 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: get drunk more and get more drunk friends
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:27 < JFK911> i thought it would be more like dnb disco dancing, the stuff evilbetty does
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:49 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:18:54 < corecode> FreezingCold: that does not sound like good advice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:18:58 < OoTLink> the class I'm in is more like jazz + hip hop
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:01 < corecode> nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:03 < OoTLink> *shrug*
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:19:06 < FreezingCold> corecode: it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:06 < corecode> breakdance?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:11 < OoTLink> I wish
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:14 < JFK911> im with corecode on the anti-alcohol wagon
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:18 < OoTLink> that would be the best workout ever
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:19:25 < FreezingCold> corecode: The rule is that you both have to be drunk, and as the male you have to be drunker
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:27 < corecode> workout, schmorkout
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:19:32 < FreezingCold> or you can be drunk and she can be sober
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:37 < OoTLink> problem: I don't drink
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:19:40 < JFK911> FreezingCold: whats this get you
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:19:42 < corecode> not a problem
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:20:00 < corecode> there is better substances to enjoy
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:20:03 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: anyone can drink
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:20:09 < OoTLink> I don't WANT to.
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:20:09 < FreezingCold> unless you have a medical reason
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:20:14 < FreezingCold> have you even tried?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:20:46 < JFK911> i think i know who are stronger
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:00 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:06 < FreezingCold> Sometimes it feels great to drink, you're stressed out and drinking with friends makes everything seem great
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:07 < evilbetty> i have the opposite
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:08 < FreezingCold> and it is great
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:12 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:13 < corecode> seems an alcoholic is trying to rationalize its behavior
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:18 < JFK911> FreezingCold: this your experience?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:19 < corecode> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:20 < evilbetty> usually if i consider drinking or not the conclusion is i dont feel like drinking
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:23 < JFK911> heh canadian attitudes to alcohol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:24 < FreezingCold> I'm not an alcoholic
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:25 < corecode> you should get some counselling
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Yeah, I think it's a common one
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:37 < OoTLink> I don't really have friends to drink with in that sense XD I'vebeen invited to a couple of parties by class friends but they get trashed and then end up posting about something not-so-great happening on fb afterwards
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:38 < JFK911> typical canadian phrase: "i'm not alcoholic"
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:42 < OoTLink> so it usually ends up being a good thing to not go xD
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:43 < FreezingCold> -.-
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:21:46 < evilbetty> an
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:56 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: I don't do social media so I don't hear about that stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:21:58 < JFK911> ok FreezingCold i have to razz you a little because your country is known for drinking
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:22:08 < OoTLink> as for being gay
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:22:11 < JFK911> i have never held my own among nuck drinkers
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:22:17 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: that would be quebec
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:22:23 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pfff, says the american.
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:22:34 < FreezingCold> you guys have movies dedicated to drinking
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:22:43 < JFK911> FreezingCold: half of them were filmed in toronto...
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:22:49 < corecode> ok fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:22:52 < corecode> let's stop this
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:22:54 < corecode> thank you
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:09 < OoTLink> I figured out when I was around 13 that some gay family friend in his 30s or so liked me -_-
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:23:11 < FreezingCold> anyway, my only point was that OoTLink should think about drinking
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:13 < corecode> anybody going to HOPE X or toorcamp?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:14 < OoTLink> the most uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:25 < OoTLink> how can I put this
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:38 < OoTLink> yeah.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:42 < JFK911> icky
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:46 < JFK911> did you tell anyone
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:23:50 < FreezingCold> corecode: and no, I don't need counseling. I can go weeks without alcohol if I need to
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:57 < OoTLink> yeah we kicked him out and told him to never come back. hah, in front of his mom
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:23:58 < corecode> please don't convolve gay and pedophile
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:01 < OoTLink> I don't
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:24:11 < corecode> FreezingCold: but do you?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:24:20 < FreezingCold> Yes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:24 < corecode> good then
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:27 < OoTLink> lol my point was that was an extremely strong indicator of my feelings baout it I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:28 < OoTLink> about*
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:44 < corecode> sad
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:24:56 < evilbetty> homo related crime stories?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:02 < JFK911> their world is seriously this big > <
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:25:06 < FreezingCold> I've been trying to convince my old parents to stop going to church
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:08 < corecode> i don't care what genitals people have and what they prefer to do with said genitals
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:25:12 < FreezingCold> I don't think it's good for them
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:13 < OoTLink> lol the gay people I've met that I knew were gay were very decent otherwise
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:15 < corecode> really not my business
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:21 < evilbetty> the only homo related crime stories i read here are gay ppl getting beaten up in cities
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:38 < OoTLink> but yeah I don't like the feeling of a guy coming on to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:40 < corecode> so being gay is indecent?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:46 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:25:50 < FreezingCold> [04:24:59] <OoTLink> but yeah I don't like the feeling of a guy cumming on me
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:51 < OoTLink> corecode: no.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:53 < JFK911> evilbetty: no catholics in church?  penn state football?  boy scouts?  it's like a high fashion thing to do
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:53 < corecode> ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:25:54 < FreezingCold> lies
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:25:57 < OoTLink> you misunderstood that lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:02 < OoTLink> I meant that other than that dude
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:09 < OoTLink> all the gay people I've met that I knew were gay, were perfect gentlemen
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:22 < JFK911> i grew up in a time when gay people were "not part of us"
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:22 < corecode> sure
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:37 < evilbetty> here its soccer, and i think plenty of soccer players are gay ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:26:38 < FreezingCold> saying you don't like gays is more or less saying you don't like black people
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:47 < corecode> may we stop talking about genitals now?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:26:51 < corecode> not really on topic
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:26:51 < JFK911> FreezingCold: them werent part of us neither
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:27:13 < FreezingCold> corecode: how far is the capacitor shoved up there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:27:15 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:27:21 < blockh34d> if i make my neighbor the robodong she wants, is that on topic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:27:34 < blockh34d> since its electronics and genitals?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:27:48 < evilbetty> just give her a real dong :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:28:50 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:28:53 < OoTLink> those are pretty cool lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:28:58 < JFK911> corecode: is it electrical?  on topic plz
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:28:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'd rather an attractive guy hit on me than an ugly chick
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:09 < blockh34d> corecode: i'm sure she's aware, says she wants something different though i guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:09 < OoTLink> it has an induction motor :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:09 < corecode> JFK911: i think you could add LEDs
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:11 < OoTLink> bwahhahaa
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:21 < corecode> blockh34d: okay
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:29:23 < JFK911> FreezingCold: so maybe you're bi, have you told your mother about this?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:24 < OoTLink> oh man imagine a vibrator running off a Li-Ion
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:27 < OoTLink> a SONY Li-iOn
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:32 < OoTLink> imagine the..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:38 < OoTLink> or apple's li-poly batteries
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:39 < evilbetty> i'm sure moms are the first ones to see this :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:41 < OoTLink> the kind that expand
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:29:48 < FreezingCold> JFK911: LOL no, I'm very straight, just saying it would be a bigger ego booster
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:54  * LeelooMinai peeks at the channel, shakes the head, and goes back to programming
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:56 < JFK911> seriously the best ones plug into the wall OoTLink
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:57 < OoTLink> that could be a disaster
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:29:59 < corecode> hi LeelooMinai
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:29:59 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:02 < OoTLink> JFK: More torque
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:03 < JFK911> hi LeelooMinai
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:06 < evilbetty> the fact that the conversation came so far you must have done something wrong blockh34d
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:30:07  * FreezingCold pesters LeelooMinai 
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:13 < OoTLink> sorry :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:21 < blockh34d> yes all me
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:26 < JFK911> HV250R wouldnt be an HV250R if it werent mains powered
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:30:27 < corecode> FreezingCold: you're the bro
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:34 < blockh34d> wasnt like we were talking about genitals beforehand
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:37 < OoTLink> 220v?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:40 < blockh34d> at least i brought us to robo-genitals
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:41 < evilbetty> sure
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:30:41 < FreezingCold> corecode: what bro?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:45 < OoTLink> jfk: people that livein 220v countries that use those. wow. XD
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:48 < corecode> the proto bro
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:30:50 < JFK911> OoTLink: i dont know if theres a 220v model
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:30:59 < FreezingCold> corecode: brobotics
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:06 < JFK911> OoTLink: the newegg reviews should explain why
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:10 < OoTLink> dude
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:39 < blockh34d> make it work to the beat
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:41 < OoTLink> please tell me it's already been done
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:44 < blockh34d> and give it bluetooth
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:31:44 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: this better not be about dildos
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:49 < OoTLink> YES!
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:31:57 < OoTLink> we could make a fortune
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:32:00 < JFK911> OoTLink: its already been done, but in a more "back massager" looking thing.
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:32:01 < blockh34d> oh that dildo needs some bluetooth
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:32:04 < OoTLink> No FC, personal massagers
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:32:21 < OoTLink> imagine the FCC review lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:32:35 < JFK911> FreezingCold has the robot arm hes the one who should be applying that to prosthetic genitals
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:32:43 < FreezingCold> true
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:32:45 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:32:53 < FreezingCold> though my last class was yesterday
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2014-04.log:2014-04-24T11:33:10 < FreezingCold> I could probably go to the lab anyway, but meh, fuck going across the city
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:33:15 < OoTLink> honestly, smartphone controlled back massagers is the way to go man
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:33:35 < blockh34d> heard of game 'rez'?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:33:37 < OoTLink> or computer controlled I suppose
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:39:26 < blockh34d> so i could randomly vibe someone, through the internet
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:39:32 < OoTLink> yeah it's sad that if it hasn't already been done (and maybe if it has) it could make some good money lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:39:44 < OoTLink> shoot depending on how that hitachi works
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T11:39:52 < OoTLink> you could just make something like a voracitor
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:07:11 < OoTLink> so much for that
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:07:25 < JFK911> oot are you in the states?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:07:30 < OoTLink> yeah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:09:09 < slee> well that was unexpected
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:09:32 < OoTLink> what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-24T12:09:39 < slee> i went down to the mail room to collect a package that arrived, and there were TWO packages. the one I wasn't expecting was a rigol dp832 lab psu
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:01:20 < parco> mgottschlag: yep, love dave
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:01:21 < SpeedEvil> davor: Oh - I thought you wanted frequency too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:01:44 < davor> nah I thought I'd solve that by making 8 active filters
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:01:46 < SpeedEvil> davor: 'I'm making a simple spectrum analyser'
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:01:54 < SpeedEvil> davor: it's probably way saner to do it in software.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:14:31 < SpeedEvil> parco: USB charger
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:15:08 < parco> SpeedEvil: I would for a one-off, but I'd like to keep it BOM friendly
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:15:27 < SpeedEvil> An external 5V PSU
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:15:31 < SpeedEvil> They are very cheap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:34:58 < davor> how do I multiplex it though rigid?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:35:20 < rigid> davor: search for "audio signal multiplexing"
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:35:25 < SpeedEvil> davor: many ADCs - especially ones inside microprocessors - have integral multiplexors
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:35:46  * Jan- doesn't wear her sunglasses at night, because that'd be weird
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:36:09 < R0b0t1> as opposed to derivative multiplexers
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T00:36:10 < SpeedEvil> Jan-: you want full-coverage 'safety goggle' style
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T03:42:01 < oscillate> I havn't had any help so far
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T03:42:01 < The_Coolest> look hand drawn
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T03:42:25 < oscillate> they are all tinned
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T03:44:09 < oscillate> what is the difference between a 74C32n and a 74LS32N ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T03:44:29 < oscillate> input impedance?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T04:47:24 < hjf> the client from the oven was here today
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T04:47:36 < FreezingCold> street view where?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T04:47:53 < FreezingCold> wtf, facebook requires flash still?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T04:48:04 < hjf> he came to fix his car stereo and some idiot told him it isn't possible to fix
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T04:48:21 < linux_probe> lol, playing to the tractor
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T04:48:22 < hjf> so i decided to score some points and sent him with my neighbor, the guy that does car electronics and shit
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T05:58:02 < FreezingCold> pixie dust
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:15:23 < FreezingCold> hmmm, my system has been running pretty hot lately
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:15:45 < CoolBear> Clean out the bunnies.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:17:40 < FreezingCold> time for a soft reboot
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:17:56 < FreezingCold> oh how I love kexec
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:20:36 < Mad7Scientist> FreezingCold, you hate bootroms?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:21:09 < Mad7Scientist> don't you have to load a kernel module to put the new kernel in a contiguous memory space before calling kexec()
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:21:41 < FreezingCold> sudo systemctl kexec
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:21:43 < FreezingCold> that's it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:24:02 < FreezingCold> okay rebooting, let's time how fast it takes me to reconnect
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:27:48 < FreezingCold> heh, that was long
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:28:18 < FreezingCold> [23:23:27]  to [23:25:27]
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:29:35 < CoolBear> What kind of timezone is that? Or are your clock 10 minutes out?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:29:52 < veek> FreezingCold, what does kexec do? don't kernels run at ring 0..?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:30:50 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: oops, I was 40 seconds off
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:31:45 < FreezingCold> [20140424:233122~]$ sudo sh -c "ntpd -q && hwclock -w"
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:31:47 < FreezingCold> did the trick nicely
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:32:18 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Actually, looking at it it's my server that's 10 minutes out *doh*
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:32:54 < CoolBear> (Well, 8 and a half really).
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:33:18 < veek> http://web.archive.org/web/20130121033946/http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-kexec/index.html (sweet explanation)
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:33:33 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: hahahaha
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:33:39 < FreezingCold> good job
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:33:48 < FreezingCold> veek: I'm thinking of switching to ksplice
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:34:05 < CESSMASTER> when did DVI connectors first come into production
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:34:34 < FreezingCold> 1953
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:34:36 < CoolBear> I should really run ntp to keep it synced.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:34:47 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I only bother with it when somebody points it out
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:35:02 < FreezingCold> but yeah, throwing it in cron would be a good idea
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:35:18 < FreezingCold> interesting, I've run 38146 commands in bash
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:35:22 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: it feelsl ike that
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:35:25 < CESSMASTER> it has so many pins
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:43:40 < LeelooMinai> Well, and do other wierd things - like using one big solder ball per pad
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:44:22 < FreezingCold> [20140424:234403~]$ history | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n | tail -10 | sed -e 's/^[ \t]*//' | tr '\n' ','
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:44:22 < FreezingCold> 727 history,788 find,839 tungsten,910 calc,1685 nano,1733 cd,2165 cat,3035 ls,3080 sudo,4418 exit,
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:44:24 < FreezingCold> interesting
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:44:28 < pepee> also, look up ultrasonic soldering
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:44:28 < FreezingCold> those are my top ten commands
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:44:29 < LeelooMinai> Good luck with bga though:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:44:45 < FreezingCold> I've used exit more than anything else lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:45:16 < pepee> FreezingCold, huh, you are using history too much it seems :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:45:20 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Or just press ctrl-r and type...
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:45:23 < pepee> ctrl+r "something"
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:45:57 < FreezingCold> pepee: lol I do use it a lot
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:46:03 < FreezingCold> I save all my history
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:46:23 < pepee> also, set HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth to ignore dups and commands starting with spaces :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:46:58 < pepee> (this is for bash, dunno about other shells)
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:47:09 < FreezingCold> pepee: I like dup commands, it gives details on the order of things
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:47:18 < pepee> man bash , then / HISTCONTROL
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:47:20 < FreezingCold> yeah I use bash
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:47:39 < pepee> ah k, yep, it's useful to keep statistics
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:47:41 < sigtau> I'm guessing this gets asked a lot, but I don't want to pay RadioShack exorbent prices for the LEDs or oscillator that I need for this project, what's the best online storefront for buying parts for small electronics/DIY stuff?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:47:48 < FreezingCold> [20140424:234730~]$ bash --version
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:47:48 < FreezingCold> GNU bash, version 4.3.11(1)-release (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu)
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:47:58  * LeelooMinai likes windows shell better anyways:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:48:44 < FreezingCold> ....
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:49:04 < FreezingCold> bash is godly
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:50:10 < LeelooMinai> PowerShell is more godly I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:50:14 < ohsix> i like amiga commandline better anymore!!111
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:50:19 < ohsix> i bet you can only guess
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:51:08 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Look at this one liner and what it gives you on the left: http://i.imgur.com/zctg3vs.png
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:51:49 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: looks easy in bash too
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:51:56 < LeelooMinai> sortable, filterable, nice GUI
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:52:21 < FreezingCold> I had a phase earlier this year where I tried to start using more GUIs
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:52:24 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: It's built into the PowerShell though - no external app or anything
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:52:30 < ohsix> INSTA-SET is formulated with a strawberry scent and activates CA in 6 to 8 seconds without any degrading of the CAs strength, which can occur with many other accelerators.
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:52:36 < ohsix> huehuah
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:52:41 < ohsix> what's the natural scent, i wonder
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T06:54:25 < LeelooMinai> I thought something stole my keyboard and mouse - I was trying to close the Notpad++ from the screenshot...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T06:55:44 < FreezingCold> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:12:50 < LeelooMinai> UNless there's some free RO version with macros
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:12:54 < LeelooMinai> But probably not
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:13:07 < ohsix> have you ever noticed that the entire ui for excel files changes in libreoffice depending on the version
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:13:08 < FreezingCold> n17ikh: pics of it?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:13:36 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I haven't found a need for excel in my life yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:13:54 < ohsix> ushood it's pretty good
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:13:56 < madist> what a sad life you have lead
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:14:13 < n17ikh> FreezingCold: it's one of these http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6961/betabrite3.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:14:19 < ohsix> it's easy to put comma separated values into a worksheet then do something with them in the same, as an output
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:15:42 < CoolBear> LeelooMinai: Get the original version of Lotus 1-2-3.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:17:00 < mljsimone> Anyone know the folks @ http://www.good-display.com/
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:17:02 < LeelooMinai> Bugger it - time for pirate bay
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:17:38 < FreezingCold> n17ikh: yooooo, I was messing around with one of those in class last week
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:17:41 < LeelooMinai> Damn, 0.5G
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:17:41 < ohsix> well, having it run well enough to adapt it is pretty good
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:18:06 < FreezingCold> n17ikh: one of my profs got upset that I was messing with it though
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:18:20 < mljsimone> I'm in the need of a good 7" or 10" lcd display supplier. Anyone know a good one to recommend?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:18:25 < ohsix> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/office/ff823064%28v=office.15%29.aspx
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:18:26 < ohsix> well
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:18:27 < FreezingCold> apparently just because I find something doesn't mean I have the right to play with it
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:18:31 < ohsix> ST gets no benefit of the doubt now
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:18:37 < ohsix> this scrollarea thing is new
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:18:44 < FreezingCold> mljsimone: for what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:00 < mljsimone> FreezingCold: screen for a pi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:19:04 < ohsix> it just changes what you see, you can just comment it and do it yourself
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:10 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:28 < FreezingCold> mljsimone: just get a Nexus 7 2013
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:19:35 < mljsimone> too expensive
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:35 < FreezingCold> That's $200 and you don't need a Pi anymore
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:19:50 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: I did comment it out, but now it complains about other line
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:52 < FreezingCold> mljsimone: a decent 7" to 10" screen with a controller will run you close to $100 probably
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:19:57 < FreezingCold> a pi runs you like $50
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:20:03 < FreezingCold> so it's just another $50 for a nexus 7
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:20:09 < FreezingCold> which has resale value unlike the pi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:20:15 < mljsimone> the one i'm looking at is 13 U$s
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:20:32 < mljsimone> with 4 wire -> usb driver and the touchscreen layer
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:20:32 < ohsix> yea is aw
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:20:38 < FreezingCold> [00:19:52] <FreezingCold> mljsimone: a decent 7" to 10" screen
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:21:29 < mljsimone> How can I tell if it is decent or not?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:21:42 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/HDMI-VGA-2AV-Rear-View-Monitors-7inch-800-480-AT070TN93-LCD-Touch-Panle-/161176281805?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2586dae2cd
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:21:47 < FreezingCold> dude, that's $80
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:22:40 < mljsimone> I know that one
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:22:50 < mljsimone> I hear it has some problems with the pi
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:22:58 < FreezingCold> Get a used Nexus 7 for $100
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:23:31 < mljsimone> you really have a point there
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:23:50 < mljsimone> but I wonder what the law have to say about selling a piece of hardware with a nexus inside
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:24:21 < FreezingCold> nothing
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:24:34 < FreezingCold> you bought a piece of hardware legally
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:24:45 < FreezingCold> you can do whatever the hell you want with it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:28:43 < mljsimone> I don't really have the money to deal with a lawsuit of that type
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:28:50 < ohsix> 'nexus inside'?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:12 < FreezingCold> Daco: he was sued because it was very questionable
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:27 < FreezingCold> there's going to be way more pirating from releasing crypto keys
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:35 < FreezingCold> I somehow doubt mljsimone would do that
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:47 < FreezingCold> Google would be *happy* if he used their products for another machine
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:52 < FreezingCold> they'd get even more customers
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:29:55 < FreezingCold> at no loss
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:30:12 < mljsimone> yeah. but those devices are made by LG
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:30:21 < Daco> i know. just in general i still need to look into that stuff
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:30:49 < FreezingCold> Daco: and the biggest problem was that he was american
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:34:44 < ShadowJK> sometimes having dozens of floating rails becomes kinda unmanageable
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:35:37 < ohsix> why would you even make an unsafe murder machine
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:35:44 < FreezingCold> Daco: stealing crypto keys is asking for it, even if it is legal
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T07:35:52 < FreezingCold> you don't mess with DRM
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:35:57 < ohsix> you can't steal them
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T07:36:13 < ohsix> but once you get into access control and software, it isn't something you 'own'; so you don't really want to get sued for it ...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:06:48 < bunder> that only works on ac motors
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:07:01 < bunder> and ones that use multiple phases, iirc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:07:19 < anton02> yeah vehicles are usually powered by AC
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:07:49 < bunder> my e-bike is a dc motor
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:08:11 < Kevin`> brushed dc or synchronous?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:24:33 < n17ikh> http://n17ikh.com/images/nasty_wfm.png
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:24:48 < n17ikh> that's what happens when I try to load it down, heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:25:24 < n17ikh> oh well, was worth a shot
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:36:12 < bunder> yeah, i'll probably let it wait until after i move heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:36:31 < bunder> no sense tacking a project if i'm moving next month
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:37:10 < ohsix> you could probably take pictures and do documentation
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:41:55 < anton02> im going to connect a DC generator in my car to a resistor bank so when the car is breaking i can store energy. How will this help me? And should I make capacitive, resistive, or inductive?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T08:57:30 < FreezingCold> For remote RS232 connections, what kind of bandwidth usage does it take? Is 19200 bbp really just 19.2KB/s?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:57:53 < ohsix> baud
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:57:58 < ohsix> symbol rate
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T08:58:57 < FreezingCold> er, is that a yes or a no?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T08:59:45 < ohsix> that's a boner
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:00:03 < bunder> its close, but no
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:00:29 < FreezingCold> bunder: How can I calculate the actual usage?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:01:26 < ohsix> i was actually pointing out that the answer you're looking for won't stem from an incomplete question
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:01:28 < ohsix> while i looked it up
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:01:38 < bunder> wiki says it needs all sorts of wacky math equasions
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:06:51 < bunder> i've never used serial for anything that console comms or a dumb terminal
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:06:52 < ohsix> but it was maybe like 4 months after an upgrade the isp did
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:07:07 < bunder> er, anything other than*
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:07:20 < FreezingCold> so a baud rate of 19200 is going to be like 40GB per month
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:07:27 < FreezingCold> assuming it's always connected
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:07:44 < LeelooMinai> E...
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:07:54 < LeelooMinai> That sound too high for some reason
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:08:27 < FreezingCold> [02:08:20] * #aria2 :You have joined too many channels
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:08:28 < FreezingCold> holy shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:08:29 < ohsix> i downloaded like 15 dreamcast games back in the day at 56k
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:08:31 < FreezingCold> it happened
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:08:31 < ohsix> it was sweet
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:08:50 < ohsix> FreezingCold: register your nick
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:09:00 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I did
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2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:09:06 < intranick> FreezingCold: i think you forgot to divide by 8..
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:09:07 < ohsix> weird
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:09:09 < FreezingCold> I'm just in hundreds of channels
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:09:22 < FreezingCold> intranick: I did
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:09:23 < ohsix> fruitfully, i'm sure
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:09:26 < FreezingCold> I did forget I mean :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:09:30 < bunder> LeelooMinai: yeah it kindof does...  back in the early 90s the biggest drive was smaller than a gig
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:09:45 < LeelooMinai> bunder: It's more like 4GB per month
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:09:58 < intranick> LeelooMinai: you're slow, we already found his problem
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:10:15 < FreezingCold> =/
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:10:17 < bunder> bitbyte?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:10:27 < intranick> LeelooMinai: and it'd be like.. 6.2 or something if you actually worked out the math
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:10:33 < FreezingCold> intranick: yeah 40GB/8 would get me ~5GB
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:10:54 < ohsix> o lal
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:10:58 < LeelooMinai> intranick: YOu are too slow - I worked out the math and assumed 2/3 rate:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:11:02 < ohsix> i thought you were talking about the channels he could join
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:11:36 < madist> FreezingCold: how many exactly ? (on freenode)
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:11:44 < FreezingCold> madist: one sec
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:11:44 < FreezingCold> e
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:11:53 < madist> I did not know there was an upper limit to how many channels you can join.
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:11:58 < bunder> CHANLIMIT=#:120
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:12:02 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/TSRM
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:12:08 < FreezingCold> bunder: where'd you find that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:12:10 < madist> bunder:  where did you get that ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:12:18 < intranick> LeelooMinai: if you werent being sarcastic you would have said something like 3.9 if you used 1024 instead of 1000
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:12:22 < intranick> but instead you're trying to save face :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:12:22 < bunder> from the string of jibberish that freenode spits out on connect
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:12:43 < FreezingCold>  CHANLIMIT=#:120
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:12:44 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T09:12:46 < FreezingCold> found it too
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:13:02 < LeelooMinai> intranick: No, I just did that: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=19.2kb%2Fs+*+2%2F3+*+60+*+60+*+24+*+30+%2F+8
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T09:13:09 < madist> 119 words
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:29:59 < archivist> LeelooMinai, yes its a certified meter so they can measure
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:30:16 < pclov3r> On motherboards a Crystal oscillator is used to generate the cpu clock right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:30:39 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:30:40 < pclov3r> or what chip actually generates it
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:30:50 < LeelooMinai> Well, so "feeding power into the grid" is kind of useless, unless you have special meter, no?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:31:15 < pclov3r> Afik a Crystal oscillator is fixed so that woudn't work
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:31:17 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: there's been funny cases where people sell power back to the grid that was taken from the gird lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:31:19 < pclov3r> i take that back
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:31:31 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: and solar usually gives extra money due to the govt
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:10 < pclov3r> you can screw up a manual transmission if you shift wrongly
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:14 < pclov3r> grind the gears
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:16 < evilbetty> if you learn to drive AT you're not even allowed to drive MT
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:48:23 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: meh, I press the clutch a lot too
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:27 < pclov3r> What country you in?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:30 < evilbetty> i rarely do so
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:31 < evilbetty> .be
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:40 < pclov3r> ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:48:47 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: it's not that bad to do during a turn, is it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:48 < evilbetty> first years perhaps
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:56 < pclov3r> i herd a manual transmission lasts longer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T12:48:59 < evilbetty> but then you start knowing your car knowing how slow you can go before it stalls
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:49:35 < FreezingCold> oh yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:49:40 < FreezingCold> I don't own a manual car myself
2014-04.log:2014-04-25T12:49:44 < FreezingCold> or drive one often
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:25 < AbbyTheRat> but I didn't mean to say that at all.. *waves her arms about*
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:36  * hackkitten eyes the rat
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:43  * Hodapp throws hackkitten at AbbyTheRat
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2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:44 < AbbyTheRat> ss23: yes, Coldfront.. keep guessing  :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:45 < Hodapp> >_>
2014-04.log-2014-04-25T16:54:52  * hackkitten smacks into said rat @_@
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:35:50 < _688as> whoops
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:35:57 < _688as> putty right click fail
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:36:05 < robopal> so it is 1ohm or 0.1ohm?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:36:57 < Quozl`> http://imgur.com/lQPKuz8 is a photograph of the resistor.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:37:13 < Quozl`> i know, i'll try wikipedia.  ;-)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:46:04 < ShadowJK> Like, before android and stuffs, Nokia set the RTC chip to power on the system at a specific time, when system booted, /proc/bootreason contained info about what caused the phone to start. If it was "rtc_alarm", the init scripts wouldn't boot all the way to UI, it would just start a simple alarm UI on framebuffer
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:46:25 < Quozl`> yeah, neat.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:46:44 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: yeah I've had phones that would start themselves for an alarm clock
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:47:00 < ShadowJK> If it was "charger", then it started the simplified UI called "act_dead", which just showed battery icon and charging process
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:48:36 < Quozl`> and then the program would wait until the right time.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:48:51 < Quozl`> so you'd have advance warning if you knew where to look for it.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:49:06 < ray__> guys if a mosfet takes too much current and dies ,what is happening in it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:49:16 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: except nowadays, when most people turn their phone off, they want it OFF
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:49:51 < ShadowJK> Some people actually want that "alarm works when off" feature
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:50:05 < Quozl`> ray__: the gate bond wire enters hyperspace?  ;-)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:55:04 < ray__> my poor thumb aswell i was holding the mosfet
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:55:22 < Quozl`> so, overcurrent does it, overvoltage does it, reverse voltage does it.  thumbs don't though, so it wasn't you.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:55:22 < davidc__> ray__: if the diode doesn't fix it; try turning off the PWM, or decreasing the frequency
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:55:24 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:55:38 < FreezingCold> yeah, you'll need a diode for those noisy crappers
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:55:44 < ray__> Okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:55:56 < davidc__> ray__: if its switching related losses, just running it steady-state / 10hz PWM should allow you to test that theory
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:56:01 < ray__> so when im selecting a diode,i look for reverse current and voltage right?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:57:30 < FreezingCold> meh, if it's a small motor, grab something that looks like a diode and you're fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:57:34 < ray__> http://www.digikey.co.uk/product-search/en?FV=fff40015%2Cfff8007f%2C1140050%2C11402b2%2C11402b3%2C23c00eb%2C23c00ec%2Ce480002%2Ce480005%2Ce480006%2Ce480009%2Ce480014%2Ce480016%2Ce48001c%2Ce48001e%2Ce480020%2Ce480023%2Ce480024%2Ce480025%2Ce480027%2Ce480028%2Ce480029%2Ce48002b%2Ce48002c%2Ce48002d%2Ce48002f%2Ce480030%2Ce480031%2Ce480032%2Ce480033%2Ce480034%2Ce480035%2Ce480036%2Ce480038%2Ce48003e%2Ce480042%2Ce480044%2Ce480050%2Ce48005
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:57:46 < ray__> Okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:58:27 < ray__> what about the mosfet driver
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T00:58:32 < FreezingCold> Could you post a longer URL please?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:58:44 < ray__> Lol,its jsut he ones i selected on digikey
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:58:52 < ray__> sorry for that
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:59:00 < ray__> will these be good for flyback diode
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:59:06 < ray__> of 3a motor
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:59:35 < MjrTom> why care how long a url is?  you dont actually TYPE in urls, do you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T00:59:57 < ray__> It prolly filled his screen or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:00 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:09 < FreezingCold> it wasn't that long, I was sort of joking :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:17 < ray__> but could you check it out
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:19 < ace4016> FreezingCold, longer URL coming right up!
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:21 < ace4016> http://huge-url.appspot.com/9sov6s2ptb2x6mce2sbih8u8jaxl0q46e8rtl7jcbqxrr01gx5wct75udhcbfg63z4sux21l3vyy9s64jaswtg640hna66kbtg1ysujfu9en46l4xzdlilf4cky7hw5fxykc3te4bzuk8g94y008daqgii64uz7mt0uwjwal2sd3x3jl31n5myu8h58i0wjscbh1k84a4eo9zdtgj0nhhe25yytxrfkqytah3s1898amzfdktjhkwe597nxhdlkas2c2buoagobvwhk467iwuf3az1v1w2mbffto57gyzyexrf4rlm8z2t5gsqum0z71yuh577kzfdvouj6nih7z0se3dfv9et3f5u7uxfgjy
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:21 < ace4016> w54qcxx5gsun8hdfa2h4hphz6rove9qs640z17jvwhp71alznj29owuvq5928fbje9ntqo912xw60xok5jmjxlyo3q4zx33uld3t4iv36cn3og686ja82m23vh1rko2mjuaj0xjttiaqyjuysu8kwsfmh95bh65agtdrvgpyjt8pr5nd99y6f05ak79m85myqj9j7ls1pize37zhkrp80mf52srf5kuwz3us5zpmgr2hqz7lsw967fq2s5scztsnqnnohceybxfoxo0z1dmi6lajbayppvfogr7vpuxkvs54jlea6q6vppohed24iqwux3zd0hciqgdmw1zfzm5q2h7t4x4n5nwrn2z8kmw2624twfkce6lgdnrtat5h8vkjwd8ow
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:21 < ace4016> blrwxxgu8kk587myqfb5qfg748qcbzewmz125pxkn8b1zk00ofo2z4vi549wr60tuhywk4j9sq9d8929y7dtkx46tkzuma3s87od3jcl65t99l2q4yzqebb06na4cktuo0c6bp47etp64dwdfmvx58xybhigxobfify5ovcd2lneidf26a4klyemvi3c67bmgufwfdhp6fadfd8ayf2lr382qhtglw0n811uwhpjron3syucqg63ytqtewdc83exefdeg1xkosr6qs3xa5tkq3czqzuvhkio4bnbam5yjqhdji7dlhtmld8akeru22l33ttb1z5q16sqm5evtnn8vp826yi2pn0mfp6al31uski43cdxob1ma4afzrfl09jawmkaq
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:21 < ace4016> kg04rtimohd5hmook6x4hqwd8cw5eayx4hq44vc2p5unyvmkq92kjy56mnnvk3heptd9d8y08x7r9v83pouqnzjbqdorf7pyrp8ozrhted4kv90vbhcyyqontoyc497uzixkhsuvhx7d75lo7i9v5jz453ko2j2me9urauu0fmjhxpze4up1cr0hcek16dyni1ggydpo7gu7ihzhox3b72ivbmp9j11469f97yghiyybqggldfaoqy4ji5uiy78lwguciartsl788wr47a2uyqyxh4k6x0asq5ay94nqtpv8yj96b246w5diqvj3zp4jwqz5fzrsyy8ntnjd6w5hjae1oa1kdzgs4hdnd8tmxm3mtl9npwgno8q4ewi0v6spyalvs
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:22 < ace4016> zpdmix4dsx7admkmun99b7rkoc2axl13ozop4z2bjp20dn6zqhuwcka2yxlv14s9ujaxgnujjlym995spnpgrasj1anh26bqfsrje5oy9p345ys9aapehxbz2holsb2p
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:25 < MjrTom> lmfao
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:31 < FreezingCold> /kick ace4016
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:35 < ace4016> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:42 < hackkitten> spam (o/
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:49 < ray__> spam
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:52 < FreezingCold> Who the hell is an OP in here anyway?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:00:55 < FreezingCold> I don't even know
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:00:59 < hackkitten> they're hidden
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:00 < ray__> I am op
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:00 < ace4016> they hide
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:01 < hackkitten> lurking
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:02 < MjrTom> you must not know who the ops are
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:04 < ray__> jk
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:01:10 < FreezingCold> I've never seen them kick anyone
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:16 < ace4016> they kick
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:01:21 < FreezingCold> prove it
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:30 < ace4016> lol, i think i've done enough damage already
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:01:30 < ray__> inb4 freezing kicked
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:01:48 < FreezingCold> DOOO ITTTT
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:03:14 < sabotender> O_o
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:03:25  * sabotender spanks ace4016 
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:03:27 < LoRez> we kline too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:03:59 < parco> Winding a transformer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYK2l5A9KrM
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:14 < ace4016> LeelooMinai, ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:05:14 < FreezingCold> [18:05:07] * [LoRez] (lorez@freenode/staff/lorez): LoRez
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:05:16 < FreezingCold> AH HA!
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:19 < ray__> Guys someone pointed out a problem with my mosfet driver lr2905
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:05:19 < FreezingCold> SPOTTED!
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:05:22 < FreezingCold> You've been outted
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:24 < ray__> what is wrong it ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:25 < sabotender> winding a transformer by hand?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:34 < sabotender> why does that seem like it should be automated?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T01:05:41 < FreezingCold> sabotender: just use google's url shortner
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:05:52 < ray__> davidc__: what is worng with the mosfet driver
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:06:10 < ace4016> LeelooMinai, if you're trying to read the long link, it was generated to be longer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:40:18 < Casper> athan: resistor wattage have nothing to do with the resistance, it have something to do with the power it dissipate
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:40:22 < athan> Better organization for when I'm learning and applying my skills, and more "cleanlyness" in my designs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:41:36 < Casper> athan: there may be reason to use too big of a wattage for the work, and sometime a smaller one is even accepted... passing 1/3W in a 1/4W resistor is bad, but if you have active cooling it will be more than fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:41:40 < athan> Quozl`: Ahh I see, I understand. Manufacturers are more than willing to adapt to a demand if it pays off for them.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T01:41:46 < athan> hmm
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:51:15 < nullvibe> Oldmanbeefjerky: neural interfaces, cybernetics, consciousness seeding. that sort of thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:51:20 < Oldmanbeefjerky> since all the engineers he knows say thats better
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:51:37 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i meant like physical roles in a workplace
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:51:45 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: in Canada, electricians are totally different from EE
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:51:57 < Oldmanbeefjerky> same in australia
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:51:59 < nullvibe> so basically, R&D. and I'm considering myself a EE in this case because there's a strong EE element to a lot of it
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:52:11 < FreezingCold> Electricians cannot create products or do anything that involves design
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:19 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i know
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:52:20 < FreezingCold> Electrical Engineers are not allowed to wire a house
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:29 < JFK911> didnt stop me
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:52:30 < FreezingCold> Even if they have a PhD and serve on the electrical safety board :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:34 < _Norm_> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:40 < Oldmanbeefjerky> you can with a 6 month tafe course to get the cert
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:42 < CESSMASTER> nullvibe: i think the utility of the disk & shell method isn't explained is because it should be pretty obvious why it's useful to know the volume of something
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:47 < JFK911> they said i shouldnt string extension cord under a carpet
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:52:52 < JFK911> well im smarter than them and it works fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:53:05 < JFK911> so im just going to roll my chair over it repeatedly
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:53:06 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: In Ontario (Canada) there's no way around it, you have to do an apprenticeship for over 9,000 hours
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:53:11 < FreezingCold> that number isn't a job either lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:53:19 < FreezingCold> so 4-5 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:53:33 < nullvibe> CESSMASTER: not for teenagers and people in their early twenties. also apparently not for the math savants doing the teaching
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:53:38 < Oldmanbeefjerky> again please, if i slip up my dad wont let me go to uni
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:53:48 < FreezingCold> "slip up"?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:54:00 < FreezingCold> lol, my parents /are/ trying to force me into uni because I'm "slipping"
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:54:10 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i actually only have a very vague idea of what an EE does
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:54:18 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: go to university you lazy bastard
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:54:24 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: you're canadian you get that shit for so cheap
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:54:34 < JFK911> go to uni
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:54:38 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: it's so choke full of idiots though
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:54:42 < JFK911> what province are you in
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:54:43 < Oldmanbeefjerky> so i need to know some real world actual examples
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:54:56 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: the kinds of jobs you'll have to work without a degree are chock full of idiots
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:54:56 < Engen> Oldmanbeefjerky: a lot of EE's graduate still not knowing what they want to do
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:55:04 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: university isn't actually that bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:55:11 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: if you don't like idiots, though, maybe don't go to engineering school
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:55:12 < FreezingCold> it's four more years of my life though
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:55:12 < Engen> the trick to finding out what you like is by actually going out and working in different areas
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:55:33 < FreezingCold> The longest I've ever stayed at one school is two years
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:55:39 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i dont really care what i do, so long as im good at it i enjoy it
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:55:52 < JFK911> shut up and enroll at fanshawe
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:55:53 < Engen> then the rest will fall into place ^_^
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:56:00 < FreezingCold> I just finished a community college diploma that was kind of fun
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:56:02 < Oldmanbeefjerky> im autistic, i have no real ambitions to enjoy work
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:56:36 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: apply to U of T it kicks ass
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:56:37 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i mostly want to become an EE so i can work independantly
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:56:44 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: you'll get to escape ottawa
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:56:47 < Oldmanbeefjerky> do my own things
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:56:56 < JFK911> oh shit you're in ottawa?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:00 < FreezingCold> CESSMASTER: good memory
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:00 < JFK911> whats wrong with carleton
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:01 < nullvibe> Oldmanbeefjerky: EEs are basically tier three support for machines on the lines in the factories around here. They get called in to work on the more obscure and difficult things that the onsite staff can't handle
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: LOL
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:14 < FreezingCold> JFK911: they already rejected my application because they can't read
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:18 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i see, but i need real examples
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:33 < JFK911> FreezingCold: waterloo is good too
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:39 < FreezingCold> uOttawa is a bit more responsible
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:41 < JFK911> but youd be living away from home
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:57:42 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: i remember poignant things. nobody should have to live in ottawa
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:45 < nullvibe> with factories getting more and more automated, I expect the demand for EEs to increase pretty drastically in the coming decades
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:57:55 < Oldmanbeefjerky> atm the only ones i have are people designing electronics, and the maintenance guy my dad mentioned
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:58:03 < FreezingCold> meh, waterloo and uot sound like I'd waste way too much time in class and not enough outside learning
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:58:14 < CESSMASTER> FreezingCold: turns out, you learn in class
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:17 < BrightCloud> hah i just used my toaster oven for SMT parts
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:19 < CESSMASTER> that's the great thing about university
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:21 < Oldmanbeefjerky> my dad says everyone thinks EE's are lessening in demand
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:24 < CESSMASTER> classes are actually informative
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:29 < Oldmanbeefjerky> and that electricians are more in demans
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:58:39 < nullvibe> Oldmanbeefjerky: actually, just thought of something. you might want to observe azonenberg. he's the real deal
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:58:42 < JFK911> FreezingCold: well i know smart people who have had impacting careers after waterloo and carleton
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:58:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh yeah I do agree
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:58:58 < FreezingCold> they make great employees
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:59:01 < upgrdman> anyone know if LEDs have any noteworthy capacitance or inductance? for example, would PWMing an LED at 20kHz still result in flickering light output? (obviously way past human perception, but still...)
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:59:14 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: 20kHz should be fine
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:59:24 < FreezingCold> I usually use 50 kHz because I prefer the number 50 :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:59:37 < CESSMASTER> it's more manly
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T03:59:38 < JFK911> FreezingCold: its really difficult to simply be an entrepreneur.  you should work in an enterprise first
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T03:59:48 < upgrdman> well i ask because it will be fed by a boost converter i plant to design
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:09 < Oldmanbeefjerky> my dream job would be building all these peoples kickstarter stuff
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:26 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i want to be the person that makes the prototype or first working version
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:38 < Oldmanbeefjerky> central queensland univesity or deakin university
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:42 < upgrdman> i suppose i would put a nice big inductor in series with the LED
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:00:49 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: Really depends on what MCU you use
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:51 < Oldmanbeefjerky> ide preffer deakin though
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:00:55  * Casper wonders if he should try to get a 24VDC transfo or if a 19V one would be ok...
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:07 < Oldmanbeefjerky> my cousin and best friend went and go there
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:07 < Casper> to send power over phone line to wireless phones
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:13 < Casper> over the second pair...
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:01:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah, I was thinking of trying my hand at construction this summer
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:01:27 < FreezingCold> Local firms aren't the brightest
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:01:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what constructions?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:32 < Oldmanbeefjerky> plus i want to live in victoria again
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:50 < Casper> bbl
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:01:51 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i have no friends in queensland for over 500km
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:01:56 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Probably basic and cheap things like decks
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:02:02 < FreezingCold> not a ton of money, but good practice I guess
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:02:16 < JFK911> FreezingCold: here i need a license and insurance to engage in that
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:02:35 < FreezingCold> You need workers compensation and all that fun stuff if you employee people
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:02:41 < nullvibe> CESSMASTER: problem with college is that experience trumps a college degree, and colleges seem to be bad about graduating people and forgetting about them
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:02:55 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:02:57 < nullvibe> "Good luck, now go find a job. Don't let the door hit you on your way out"
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:03:39 < JFK911> im not sure a uni degree says you dont have any experience
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:03:47 < JFK911> it shows you put up with 4-5 years of bullshit
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:03:51 < JFK911> and succeeded
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:04:07 < Oldmanbeefjerky> so please, can anyone tell me about some actual electrical engineers, like what they did specifically in their workplace, i need examples
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:04:07 < nullvibe> as opposed to doing realworld things in the real world, yes
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:04:08 < FreezingCold> JFK911: literally no jobs here are listed for a BSc and no experience
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:04:35 < FreezingCold> it's a bullshit culture where everyone just forces their family and friends into the workplace
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:04:39 < FreezingCold> it's not about skills at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:04:41 < CESSMASTER> nullvibe: yeah but you actually learn things in college
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:04:46 < JFK911> ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:05:01 < nullvibe> if you look at job listings, degree requirements are outright not listed, negotiable, or experience is accepted in its place
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:05:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I dunno if you care at all, but I have this bookmarked: http://www.wsib.on.ca/en/community/WSIB/ArticleDetail?vgnextoid=eddd82bd67344310VgnVCM100000469c710aRCRD
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:05:17 < JFK911> you can pick up on that bit since uni students frequently come in here and stump most people with their homework
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:05:34 < nullvibe> meanwhile, it's pretty common to see listings where you need five years or more of demonstrated experience to even apply
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:05:52 < CESSMASTER> yeah, if you haven't gone to university you don't even know how much you don't know
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:06:04 < JFK911> FreezingCold: mmm regulations.  see i think that if you are doing work and also managing the business that will be taxing
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:06:27 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you said you wanted to go build a deck, but what about all the admin bs that comes with it.  lining up permits and insurance, payroll, taxes
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:06:31 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It's Canada. There's tons of regulations everywhere, it's a nanny country
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:06:35 < nullvibe> CESSMASTER: the problem is that the corporate world doesn't care. either you have the experience they're looking for, or they aren't interested
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:06:51 < JFK911> in many cases it looks like you need a full time manager
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:06:55 < CESSMASTER> nullvibe: good luck starting on that experience without a degree
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:06:58 < anton02> how do you connect a load bank to a wheel for when you turn the wheel's electric motor into a generator during braking?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:07:01 < nullvibe> may as well use that degree for toilet paper
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:07:07 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the admin BS is where I think I'd get an advantage over the grunts who just contract it out
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:07:15 < JFK911> anton02: short the motor
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:07:17 < FreezingCold> I can actually read
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:07:30 < FreezingCold> which is a pretty good head start in the construction industry
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:07:36 < nullvibe> CESSMASTER: funny thing about that. My first employer out of college hired me for my hobby (linux), and my degree was actually a detriment
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:07:45 < CESSMASTER> nullvibe: yeah yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:07:47 < CESSMASTER> whatever, idiot
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:08:56 < JFK911> anton02: but basically youd switch out power and instead switch in the load
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:09:30 < nullvibe> CESSMASTER: now let me tell you how long it took to GET that job. a year
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T04:09:42 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: lovely
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:09:42 < anton02> JFK911: but remember the motor is a generator and its actually providing the power to the load
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T04:09:55 < anton02> 'the load bank'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T07:05:32 < mrpinkles> though I can't remember the details
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T07:05:48 < Username__> Casper, yea, a polarization issue. I just find it odd cause most GPS devices are not always in a vertical orientation. Often they are flat
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T07:06:25 < mrpinkles> something related to the fact geometric transformations in three dimensions are a helluvalot simpler if you use four-dimensional matrices
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T07:06:27 < FreezingCold> Heh, does this file download for anyone else?
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T07:06:27 < FreezingCold> https://www.4shared.com/rar/RmIuS9gP/Qualcomm_bootloader_files_for_.html
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T07:06:30 < FreezingCold> I can't find it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T07:08:12 < mrpinkles> wait, pardon me, putting a chip in a gymbal would be a fucking nightmare
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:08:57 < FreezingCold> Wow, Windows Phone 7 is a PITA
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:09:01 < FreezingCold> finally managed to update it
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:09:28 < OoTLink> sounds like windows 8 :\
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:09:33 < OoTLink> I hate the way MS updates work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:11:51 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/MOGXa5L.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:11:58 < OoTLink> must protect the iphone at all costs!! :O
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:12:34 < FreezingCold> brb testing out tethering
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:16:09 < anton03> does my professor just repeat the same thing 3 times here? The electrical generator and distribution system is 90% efficient (Consider in this problem, any electrical energy transfer to be 90% efficient – For this assignment, take the transfer of energy between any electrical components to be 90% efficient)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:16:19 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:16:21 < FreezingCold> maybe I should cancel my internet plan :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:16:23 < FreezingCold> I get 7Mbps down and 2Mbps up
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:16:25 < FreezingCold> that's pretty good
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:16:49 < R0b0t1> anton03: Not necessarily, but probably, and in any case it's poorly worded.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:22:01 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/EUVzRT8.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:23:30 < upgrdman> geez
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:23:41 < upgrdman> i bet they'd be pissed if you used those towels
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:37:37 < OoTLink> I'll look that up
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:38:02 < LeelooMinai> You mean colors in the terminal window? :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:38:21 < Guest85663> .
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:38:58 < OoTLink> it might require compiz
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:38:59 < OoTLink> http://www.ehow.com/how_8423829_display-inverse-colors-ubuntu.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:39:08 < OoTLink>  System > Preferences > CompizConfig Setting Manager
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:39:14 < OoTLink> I dunno. lol super+m might do it for ya though
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:39:38 < FreezingCold> Man, I can't believe I didn't bother setting up tethering for months lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:39:48 < FreezingCold> this would have been handy to use on the bus like every day...
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:39:50 < OoTLink> what are you tethering fc? :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:00 < FreezingCold> just cell phone data to my laptop
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:06 < FreezingCold> not doing it anymore at the moment since I'm home
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:41:16 < OoTLink> hehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:41:23 < anton03> yeah needed to install compiz
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:24 < FreezingCold> but I flashed my Nokia 710 to WP7.8 so tethering got added
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:30 < FreezingCold> anton03: compiz is pointless
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:40 < anton03> FreezingCold: for inverse colors
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:41:45 < anton03> FreezingCold: why?
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:42:08 < Guest85663> .
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:42:11 < OoTLink> haha fc the tethering thing is icing on the cakef or me for why I think getting an iphone was a big fat waste of money on my part
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2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:42:42 < FreezingCold> I'm sure iPhone's have a bunch of apps for tethering
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:43:03 < OoTLink> lol it's just that without jailbreaking I'd have to change my data plan
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:43:16 < OoTLink> granted, running a different OS on my other phone is about the same
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:43:17 < OoTLink> >>
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:53:50 < OoTLink> s/[0-9a-zA-Z,.]*/lol/g
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:54:28 < slee> Feelings.
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:54:56 < bulaia> MY SOLAR OBSERVATIONS FOR DECEMBER 1999:  1. IT'S BRIGHT  2. I CAN SEE MY OWN DICK IN THE MIRROR  3. MY NEIGHBOR'S DOGSHIT TASTES TANGY  4. I AM TOTALLY INCAPABLE OF GETTING AN ERECTION.
2014-04.log:2014-04-26T08:57:51 < FreezingCold> uh
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T08:59:18 < R0b0t1> swing is a good genre
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2014-04.log-2014-04-26T13:59:59 < Triffid_Hunter> yeah I bet
2014-04.log-2014-04-26T14:00:17 < Triffid_Hunter> induction would have a hefty kick to it, universal would spool like a jet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:06:22 < steverrrrrrr> yo... what do you guys use to mount a 0.1" thru-hole proto board?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:09:14 < Melt-Down> i want to make a heater to boil water (6-9KW) but i only have 3x16A fuses max, i also want to be able to adjust the power used (voltage regulator, its in case i have other things running to avoid fuse blownouts) and be able to use a pid controller, what is the best approach? 3 elements of 3kw per phase with 3x voltage regulator, or combine the phases and use one voltage regulator, (i
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:34:33 < sabotender> moo
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:34:58 < sabotender> solid state relay, you say?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:37:55 < Melt-Down> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:38:13 < sabotender> SpeedEvil: for general designs, which relay type would you prefer to use in a project?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:38:17 < ohsix> they're only ac!!!!111 (stupid quip from a stupid conversation that has happened before)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:50:38 < intranick> why a heart?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:50:43 < Phosie> I like hearts.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:51:15 < intranick> Phosie: you always were an odd duck
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T02:51:23 < Phosie> but it could be any custom character, I just want a heart.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:24:05 < ohsix> python counts as documentation
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:24:27 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Do hope you mean PIC32.. not PIC10 ;-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:24:32 < LeelooMinai> madist: True, it will end like that anyways:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:24:42 < FreezingCold> Flea86: PIC10 is still used
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:25:06 < Flea86> FreezingCold: For Python interpreters? That's news to me :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:25:17 < madist> as a general principle, once a computer is rooted (windows OR linux), you should not trust anything on it except documents/images.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:25:25 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I just came in the convo a second ago :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:25:36 < ohsix> documents, but not pdfs
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:25:56 < ohsix> there's a funny aspect to blaming the user though
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:25:57 < madist> documents with macros and scripting languages exempt.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:26:07 < ohsix> the person that is able to avoid the rootkit would also be able to remove it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:26:24 < Flea86> FreezingCold: I find the up-scroll button works great for that ;-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:26:26 < hjf> mrpinkles: well i guess the transformer is to avoid DC from phantom going into your mixer... do you need phantom power?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:26:28 < mrpinkles> is elliptic group public key cryptography popular these day?s
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:26:29 < ohsix> aaaand if they had backups then it would all be moot, so is not backing up their real failure?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:26:41 < ohsix> mrpinkles: DRBG IS HOT
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:27:23 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:27:25 < FreezingCold> Flea86: i
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:27:28 < FreezingCold> FUCK MY KEYBOARD
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:27:38 < ohsix> that's how it got broke in the first place
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:27:39 < FreezingCold> Flea86: I'm on a laptop, there is no scroll button ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:27:43 < R0b0t1> LeelooMinai, my modus operandi is to completely wipe and then reinstall
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:06 < R0b0t1> if it was mine I'd throw it out and buy another
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:10 < ohsix> blaming the user makes linux, windows, anything that people are attacking the same
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:11 < ohsix> too
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:28 < FreezingCold> I'm personally a big VirtualBox user
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:33 < FreezingCold> I have one clean base install of Windows 7
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:36 < ohsix> no bike thefts withotu bike thieves, that old tired saw
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:38 < FreezingCold> and I make linked clones for each program I use
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:41 < R0b0t1> ohsix: No. For a while Windows was absolutely terrible when it came to permissions, and only had them enabled for the business-class licenses.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:46 < FreezingCold> I don't even need an AV
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:53 < ohsix> R0b0t1: wut
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:53 < FreezingCold> I install whatever pirated programs I want :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:28:55 < linux_probe> ._. blargl, how do I always end up with laptop DC jack replacement that are soldered tot he damned boards
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:28:56 < FreezingCold> delete it when I'm done
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:05 < R0b0t1> The OS layout and documentation also still supports practices that are the major cause of most infections/problems
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:07 < ohsix> linux_probe: those are the ones that break
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:16 < linux_probe> why can it never be an easy, replacable plug in one =p
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:29:24 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Oh never mind, you would not have needed it anyway, unless you IRC client text window was only capable of displaying less than 10 lines.. :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:25 < ohsix> mine is and it hasn't broke yet ;D
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:26 < R0b0t1> because then it'd be fixable!
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:33 < ohsix> or not break
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:29:52 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Are you doing this under an Administrator account?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:53 < R0b0t1> If you are
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:56 < linux_probe> actualy, I have fixed a bunch of the as well, but it's mostly the case broken and jack pushed in
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:29:59 < R0b0t1> then you could be infected and never be able to tell you were
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:05 < linux_probe> epoxy ftw :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:10 < mrpinkles> hjf: yes. My research suggests condenser mics run on phantom power give you the best signal to work with
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:30:16 < FreezingCold> Flea86: Yeah, and? https://i.imgur.com/j0wcSaE.png
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:25 < R0b0t1> this could also happen under a normal user's account, but it'd be slightly less likely
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:30 < ohsix> R0b0t1: i'm saying it is idiotic to do so regardless, and you still make it about windows, hurrr
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:30:32 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: wtf is an Administrator account?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:30:45 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Is that your passowrd there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:30:51 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Fuck you
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:55 < R0b0t1> Oh you said you vm it
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:55 < R0b0t1> okay
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:30:56 < LeelooMinai> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:04 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: oh yeah I do
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:08 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: but I don't run it as root....
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:23 < Flea86> FreezingCold: I'll leave others to decide what that means, but you win :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:24 < FreezingCold> I VM it and just use the Administrator *inside* the VM
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:35 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: you wouldn't need to run as root for it to be a hazard
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:31:37 < ohsix> it puts the lotion in the basket
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:31:38 < FreezingCold> Flea86: What's there to decide?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:31:51 < mrpinkles> ohsix: drgb ... oh, psuedo random number generator. I know how ellip-tic curve groups work, and how they are used in crypto systems for encoding messages, or validating identity, but I don't know how they use them to generate surprising numbers
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:31:57 < ohsix> virtualbox is its own problem, dat random vm corruption
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:11 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Meh, I somehow doubt a two year old torrent online knows how to break out randomly of a somewhat new install of vbox
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:17 < FreezingCold> I know it's possible
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:32:21 < ohsix> mrpinkles: it relies on the same sort of principle a large prime does in other schemes
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:22 < FreezingCold> But the chances are extremely low
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:36 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Well, you could resize the window (make it a wee bit bigger), particularly if you cannot up-scroll? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:32:39 < ohsix> mrpinkles: you multiply by it but it is hard or expensive to guess, so you can't 'unmultiply' it without a LOT of work
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:48 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: There's a lot of reason for people to try, though.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:32:59 < FreezingCold> Flea86: No. I need that black space
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:33:11 < FreezingCold> Flea86: wtf, are you racist or something? You want me to take the black window down?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:33:30 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Still, if they release it in the wild, it's gonna get patched soon enough
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:33:34 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Also when I first said something, I thought it wasn't in a vm. I didn't mean breaking vm.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:33:37  * Flea86 slowly backs away..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:33:46 < R0b0t1> s/backs/blacks/
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:34:01 < FreezingCold> [00:28:32] <FreezingCold> I have one clean base install of Windows 7 [00:28:36] <FreezingCold> and I make linked clones for each program I use
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:34:04 < FreezingCold> Did you miss that R0b0t1 ? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:34:17 < ohsix> mrpinkles: er it's not as simple as that, it's not multiplication, they're an exponent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_number#Public-key_cryptography
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:34:40 < ohsix> and factoring is expensive
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:35:16 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I'll do it for $10
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:35:27 < LeelooMinai> Chuck NOrris can factor even prime numbers
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:35:51 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:36:04 < LeelooMinai> Damn, I made my first CHuck NOrris joke
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:36:11 < FreezingCold> Man I feel good about about PLCs; in my final exam, I got 100%
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:36:22 < FreezingCold> class average was 62.88%
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:36:28 < FreezingCold> boo-ya
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:36:35 < Flea86> FreezingCold: Nice one! :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:36:49 < R0b0t1> mfw
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:36:52 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: What happened? There was no bonus questions?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:36:56 < MjrTom> lmao LeelooMinai
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:37:07 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: No bonus question, otherwise I would have got it
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:08 < R0b0t1> See I keep hearing these stories about all these idiots that are way worse at things I am only moderately good at
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:10 < R0b0t1> where are they
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:11 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: I didn't know you were a chuck norris fan? :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:13 < R0b0t1> how do I get their jobs
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:39 < ohsix> i like when you move one file and windows decides to show the folder with a tile view next time you navigate back
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:37:40 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: how do i get a job
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:37:43 < FreezingCold> period
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:37:54 < ohsix> R0b0t1: careful, you're making trouble
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:38:05 < mrpinkles> ohsix: are you describing why earlier RSA cryptosystems were considered practically secure..er, yes, that. I know that stuff, I am an applied math major. I even found an open source program that can utilize CUDA to parallelize some of the stages of the currently more quick factoring algorithms...imagine, being able to know the factors of a 140-digit public key in three days instead of two...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:38:41 < ohsix> mrpinkles: srhuggin' i don't know what context you had, that's how i could describe what the curves are for :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:38:42 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: lol ya dat stare.. @_@
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:38:57 < ohsix> mrpinkles: basically you can arrange to share a space and map things to the same points
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:39:09 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I think the trick is you have to know people
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:39:41 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: that's a stupid reason, I should be hired for my skills, not who I'm fucking
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:39:46 < FreezingCold> I know you're right though
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:26 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Did you get over your DQS hurdle earlier?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:28 < R0b0t1> well no I mean
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:30 < R0b0t1> rubbed elbows
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:39 < R0b0t1> not genitalia
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:47 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: Mmm... which was? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:40:50 < FreezingCold> My friend got a job after first year by rubbing genitalia
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:40:52 < CoolBear> R0b0t1: Eww, kinky.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:41:10 < FreezingCold> He was fuckbuddies with the CEO's daughter
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:41:15 < mrpinkles> ohsix: elliptic curve groups fall under discrete math. they use modulo
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:41:19 < ohsix> thats' uh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:41:20 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Regarding the MachXO2 pinout you showed me the other day..
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:41:24 < ohsix> FreezingCold: not appropriate
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:41:37 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I'm literally telling the story how it was
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:41:42 < FreezingCold> that's really how it happened
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:41:51 < ohsix> mrpinkles: i suck at math so ... yea
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:42:04 < ohsix> i have a rough idea about form and where to look should i need to do the thing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:42:23 < LeelooMinai> Flea86: A, right... they wanted email linked to my "company", so, no help there:) I think this is some kind of omission/bug in the Diamond softwre, so I just downloaded those text pinout files and figured the groups from there.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:42:43 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: get a domain for your "company"
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:43:23 < mrpinkles> ohsix: I always think so many people say that cuz the academia behind math is all entrenched thuroughly into snootiness and sink or swim...ergo, I think nobody teaches math right
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:43:34 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: silicon-research-us.kittydomains.for.everyone.com? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:43:41 < ohsix> mrpinkles: yea, people that managed it tend to say that
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:43:51 < mrpinkles> XD
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:43:53 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: Interesting
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:44:22 < ohsix> mrpinkles: i've been trying to compensate for not paying attention or caring at a given time my whole life, though
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:44:22 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: get a three letter domain for the hell of it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:44:28 < FreezingCold> I own one
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:44:33 < mrpinkles> ohsix: all I have on my side is obsessiveness, and a foaming at the mouth belief somebody somewhere explains this shit like a person talks
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:44:36 < FreezingCold> it's like i2c.ca
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:44:43 < Flea86> heh
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:44:50 < FreezingCold> so my emails are f@i2c.ca
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:44:54 < FreezingCold> f for my first name, freezing
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:44:55 < ohsix> mrpinkles: i'm finding that's youtube more and more
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:45:09 < mrpinkles> ya. vi hart kicks ass
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:45:31 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... maybe f@uck.u
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:45:41 < FreezingCold> is there any domains that start with .u?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:45:43 < LeelooMinai> I wonder if they would find it suspicious
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:45:59 < ohsix> try not to put vulgarity in your company name, it's not good for business
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:46:01 < mrpinkles> and even the places with obtuse wordings at least usually have leads the other places didn't
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:46:02 -!- BurnReich is now known as [BuRn]
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:46:20 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Fuck You Incorporated
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:46:21 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: O, really? :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:46:24 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: .us
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:46:51 < ohsix> arab emirates is ua
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:46:53 < Flea86> LeelooMinai: The local disty rep that calls you might.. ;-)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:47:08 < FreezingCold> ohsix: oh nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:47:10 -!- [BuRn] is now known as dishaze
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:47:14 < mrpinkles> but nevermind! math major, and obsessed. have to take a side road for a bit to stop talking about math
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:47:17 < FreezingCold> % No entries found for fuck.ua
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:47:22 < ohsix> and there wont' be
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:48:20 < FreezingCold> yo, I can buy fuc.ki for $1,500USD
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:48:53 < ohsix> i remember when it was cool to have a domain name that wasn't just your name
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:49:13 < FreezingCold> yeah I bought my full name for ten years
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:49:17 < FreezingCold> don't really use it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:49:44 < FreezingCold> awww, fuc.kn is already taken
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:49:50 < FreezingCold> that would have been just $150/year
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:49:51 < LeelooMinai> Don't share anything and you will not use any domains
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:50:06 < LeelooMinai> Signed - hermit
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:50:21 < FreezingCold> I took it because there's another guy in Iran with the same name as me
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:50:29 < FreezingCold> And he works in IT, so I was worried he'd steal it
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:50:46 < mrpinkles> ......but elliptic curve cryptosystems have you turn your message into a 2d coordinate that lay on one part of the curve, the algorithm projects that coordinate onto the analogous coordinate on the opposite part of the curve, then lips the result so it's on the same verticle side of the curve as the original coordinate...
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:50:46 < R0b0t1> my ip is effectively static
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:50:49 < R0b0t1> no need to buy a name
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:50:51 < LeelooMinai> Freezing Cold and in Iran?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:08 < mrpinkles> *flips
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:51:11 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Father's side is from Iran
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:20 < LeelooMinai> Must have some problems with blood circulation
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:27 < slee> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:51:30 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: but r0b0t.org/porn is much easier to type
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:31 < slee> some parts of iran do get very cold
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:51:35 < FreezingCold> slee++
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:51:37 < FreezingCold> you can ski there
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:51 < slee> not cold like finland or northern canada, but pretty cold.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:51:52 < FreezingCold> http://kassatours.com/images/NEW%20PHOTOS%20WITH%20TAGS/Trekking%20Tours/for%20web/1-Tele-marking--ski-in-Alam.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:51:53 < LeelooMinai> ON sand? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:52:12 < mrpinkles> and when I say it is discrete math I mean the coordinates are all exclusively integers
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:52:14  * FreezingCold notes LeelooMinai's racism
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:52:24 < LeelooMinai> E, big mountines like that is cheating:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:52:28 < slee> LeelooMinai: i think you should visit iran and find out for yourself
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:52:41 < slee> everyone i know that has visited it has really enjoyed it, FWIW
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:52:57 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: In Tehran it snows a little IIRC
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:53:04 < LeelooMinai> Besides that dude there on the picture - looks like he will run out of snow pretty soon:)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:53:17 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc475/drsaeed90/New%20tehran/snow1.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:53:22 < FreezingCold> that's tehran
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:53:29 < FreezingCold> in case you can't read URLs :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:53:31 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: /etc/hosts
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:53:38 < LeelooMinai> Lies, that's artifical snow bought in China
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:53:49 < FreezingCold> Or white nuclear waste ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:18 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, there are cars and everything there
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:23 < ohsix> http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/black_narcissus/ random movie nonsequitir
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:37 < mrpinkles> ♫summer days of white nuclear waste♫turn to black rain all through the night♫
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:45 < slee> i nearly had a work trip to iran, but then my employer ran out of money :-(
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:47 < ohsix> mrpinkles: yea i know that much
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:54:49  * slee disappointed
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:54:51 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: most of the cars are pretty old to be fair
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:54:56 < FreezingCold> they have a massive import tax
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:55:07 < FreezingCold> and they suck at making domestic cars
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:55:17 < ohsix> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:55:26 < ohsix> not that tye can import the equipment to do it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:55:37 < FreezingCold> car imports are 90%
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:55:39 < LeelooMinai> They could make wooden ones at the beginning
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:55:44 < slee> actually it was easier to do business in iran than bangladesh
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:55:46 < FreezingCold> so a BMW costs like $100,000USD
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:55:51 < ohsix> it's funny how not selling people things can leave them in the dark ages
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:56:03 < FreezingCold> slee: of course, they have a decent country and you can bribe your way through pretty easily
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:56:04 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Forgot a zero
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:56:04 < mrpinkles> ohsix: sorry...had to say it anyways...cryptology teacher is russian. she brilliant, and I love her, but I usually can't follow a fucking word she says in class...compensation involves lots of reading, and thinking outloud
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:56:18 < ohsix> nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:56:55 < slee> ohsix: don't think for a second that they don't have modern things
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:57:30 < slee> our customer there was deploying our software on brand new oracle hardware
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:57:38 < ohsix> access to goods in that country, we're cheating by cultivating so much!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:57:51 < FreezingCold> slee: Are you from Iran?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:57:51 < ohsix> slee: how did they get it though
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:57:59 < slee> don't care, didn't ask
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:58:24 < ohsix> slee: i know there are entities that will fence stuff so when it comes to real need they can get it at a high price, but that is an extra burden for regular people
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:58:30 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the sanctions are super easy to get around
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:58:38 < FreezingCold> assuming you can put a few extra bucks in
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:58:42 < ohsix> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:58:52 < ohsix> if that were true they'd be kind of worthless
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:59:00 < FreezingCold> no
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:59:08 < FreezingCold> they force them to waste money
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:59:11 < slee> the iranian FWB i had in kuala lumpur for a while used skype to chat with her folks back home
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:59:12 < FreezingCold> that's what sanctions do
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:59:12 < ohsix> we've got a web of friends that won't do business with them either, they have to find a 3rd party who can do business with us and iran
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:59:39 < FreezingCold> ohsix: What kind of business?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:59:45 < slee> like i said, we had less trouble dealing with iran than bangladesh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:59:47 < slee> WAY less trouble
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T07:59:47 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: sanctions work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T07:59:48 < R0b0t1> I mean
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:00:17 < R0b0t1> you can get around them with time, money, and luck, but saying bans are useless because 1% of people can get around them is ridiculous
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:00:31 < FreezingCold> they work on hurting the country economy, but don't work on forcing 100% of the products out
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:00:38 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: it's waaay more than 1%
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:01:07 < FreezingCold> When American media was banned in Iran, my family members could buy it from their local video store in a back room they had
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:02:13 < ohsix> it could be 50%
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:02:20 < ohsix> and his point is still valid, that your point is invalid
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:02:21 < ohsix> boiiiiii
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:02:38 < FreezingCold>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:02:43 < FreezingCold> oh wait, it was me who got burned
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:03:48 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: In the context presented (supply side, physical objects) 1% is probably quite realistic
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:04:11 < sabotender> moo
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:04:23 < slee> yeah i'm sure it's a fair bit more tricky for physical objects
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:04:29 < slee> we were selling software and services
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:04:39 < FreezingCold> ship to any country nearby and reship it
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:04:45 < ohsix> not any country
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:04:58 < ohsix> there are few countries that can be middlemen
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:05:03 < ohsix> and they know they are middle men
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:05:04 < ohsix> :]
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:05:15 < slee> i think the middle man for the oracle hardware was turkey
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:05:28 < FreezingCold> does pakistan have any sanctions against them?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:05:28 < slee> i never asked, but i do vaguely recall hearing mumbles about it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:05:34 < FreezingCold> yeah turkey would do it
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:05:46 < ohsix> pakistan does but they're our 'friends'!
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:05:51 < FreezingCold> I have some family who moved from Iran to Turkey and would totally do it for me if I asked
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:03 < ohsix> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:07 < ohsix> BOMBS
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:09 < ohsix> MAKING BOMBS
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:17 < ohsix> here's some chaff to keep you off some watch lists
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:06:32 < FreezingCold> heck India would do it too
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:40 < ohsix> ??????????????????????????????
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:45 < ohsix> do you know about india and pakistan
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:06:49 < FreezingCold> smuggle american goods
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:55 < [BuRn]> High!
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:06:59 < [BuRn]> The bomb is loose!
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:07:08 < ohsix> not that i can carry a geopolitical conversation of this rank; but i know ur a butt
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:07:13 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I know India, because it's everywhere :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:08:24 < slee> would the usa's economy collapse if it stopped initiating wars with everyone? i mean the military-industrial complex sure employs a large bunch of folks
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:08:36 < slee> and they mostly pay tax
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:08:45 < FreezingCold> they should get it over and invade mexico
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:08:50 < FreezingCold> that would be pretty useful
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:08:54 < slee> i bet some of the companies even pay tax sometimes
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:09:12 < FreezingCold> push all the local residents down to south america
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:09:35 < FreezingCold> they should work down all the way to Panama
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:09:57 < FreezingCold> that'd keep the military busy for awhile
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T08:10:46 < FreezingCold> mexico doesn't have nukes
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:11:13 < ohsix> slee: it might look more obviously dumb than it currently is, wrt. military capacity, but no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T08:11:20 < R0b0t1> slee: No.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:14:15 < Polesch> And a T430 MOSFET
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:14:22 < Anaphaxeton> also another question. i need a good dremel substitute. b&d have what i want but only for the USA and apparently only for 110V 60Hz. i am worried about the frequency. in Greece we use 50Hz. It is a 30k rpm motor, so...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:19:01 < Mr_Sheesh> Anaphaxeton - For EE work, if you can get one, the jeweler folks use a Foredom tool, I used to have the use of one, great for PCB drilling, and other things; I imagine they make, or there's a clone, for your area
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:25:56 < Polesch> It feels like every time I see a cool new accessory to the dremel, it's for another model, or a new model.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:26:36 < Polesch> Like if you want the routing tool you need the 4000 series, but if you want the horizontal saw adapter you need the 8000 series etc.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:27:57 < Polesch> Not to mention they charge you $20 per blade
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:28:38 < Xark> Polesch: Yes.  Quite confusing...
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T11:29:43 < Polesch> Yeah, it was a mess. I just opted out in the end.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:57:01 < gpunk> with backholes made-in-microsoft
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:57:03 < mahmoud> gpunk: check this http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-300V-500A-Shunt-Dual-LED-Digital-Volt-Amp-Voltage-Power-Meter-F-12v-car-/201032938559?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ece7f343f
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:57:03 < gpunk> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T12:57:20 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T12:57:40 < FreezingCold> entry level IT jobs pay more than the technician diploma I have
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:57:41 < gpunk> mahmoud, as u see
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T12:57:41 < FreezingCold> that's retarded
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:57:50 < gpunk> it is  a voltmeter + ampmeter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T12:58:13 < mahmoud> gpunk: works for cars? or would it melt?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:12:51 < mahmoud> problem: i want to measure the total power consumed from the electrical system of my car so that i know when to stop hooking more equipments
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:13:20 < FreezingCold> you know what, fuck professionalism
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:13:30 < FreezingCold> I'm just going to be straight out when I apply to jobs for the next week
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:13:30 < mahmoud> FreezingCold++
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:13:48 < FreezingCold> let's see if that gets me more replies
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:13:59 < mahmoud> straight-out in what way?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:15:46 < FreezingCold> "I created some custom bash scripts awhile back, I managed to get a full Windows 7 install directly from Linux (without even rebooting to the install media). Not sure if you'd ever need something that creative, but I thought it was neat."
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:15:47 < corecode> mahmoud: hook up an current meter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:15:49 < FreezingCold> random example
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:15:59 < corecode> FreezingCold: lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:16:05 < corecode> who would hire you for that
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:16:23 < mahmoud> FreezingCold: that's noto creative
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:16:30 < FreezingCold> mahmoud: fuck you, it is creative :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:16:40 < mahmoud> ok it's creative :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:16:52 < FreezingCold> corecode: nobody would hire me to do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:16:54 < freecoder> hi, i wanted some help with a transistor amplifier. When we look at a simple self-biasing circuit and and find its thevenin equivalent, why do we take the two resistors r1 ad r2 in parallel t ogive the base resistance Rb?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:17:02 < FreezingCold> but hopefully it shows that I can do whatever
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:17:11 < corecode> freecoder: circuit?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:17:21 < corecode> without that we don't know what r1 and r2 are
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:17:29 < corecode> FreezingCold: doesn't really
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:17:36 < corecode> FreezingCold: what kind of jobs are you applying for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:17:40 < corecode> summer break?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:17:43 < freecoder> something like this - http://ellabedu.physics.upatras.gr/Pages/Single%20stage%20amps/Common%20Emitter/THEORY.files/image006.gif
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:18:27 < FreezingCold> corecode: Full time
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:18:40 < FreezingCold> corecode: How else am I suppose to get interest without having experience?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:18:51 < FreezingCold> honestly, this country/culture is fucked.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:18:56 < nathan7> FreezingCold: Where do I acquire that awesomeness?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:19:02 < nathan7> FreezingCold: (the install script)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:19:23 < FreezingCold> The only way to get a job is to get your daddy to push you in, or have a friend who's the hiring manager
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:19:40 < FreezingCold> nathan7: meh, I could find it hidden in my bash history
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:19:46 < FreezingCold> but I'm lazy and I can't remember where I saved it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:19:49 < FreezingCold> it's not terribly hard
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:20:05 < corecode> FreezingCold: what are you good at?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:20:07 < nathan7> It'd save me a ton of effort
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:20:17 < FreezingCold> you decompress the WIM, format NTFS, copy files over, do any leftover setup and reboot
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:20:19 < FreezingCold> ta-da
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:20:22 < corecode> FreezingCold: what do you love doing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:20:24 < freecoder> corecode: Got anything?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:20:43 < FreezingCold> nathan7: tbh I'd rewrite it, I found it easy. Probably easier than me finding where I saved it on my messy hard drive :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:20:49 < corecode> freecoder: your dns is not working
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:20:53 < corecode> nathan7: how's it going?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:21:16 < corecode> freecoder: ah ok
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:21:16 < FreezingCold> corecode: I love messing around with random electronics and computers. I'm pretty awesome at the basic stuff like PLCs as well (which seems to have a fair amount of jobs)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:21:26 < FreezingCold> bash scripting wastes many jobs for me as well :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:21:34 < corecode> freecoder: you can assume that vcc to vee has 0 impedance (it should)
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:21:43 < FreezingCold> nathan7: If you have a serious need for it, I'll write it for you next week or tomorrow
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:21:57 < corecode> freecoder: therefore, for the analysis, r1 and r2 appear in parallel
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:22:15 < corecode> FreezingCold: i wouldn't hire you just for calling it bash scripting
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:22:23 < corecode> it means you don't really know what you are talking about
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:22:58 < FreezingCold> corecode: I do it in bash
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:23:00 < FreezingCold> and it's scripting
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:23:04 < FreezingCold> I call that bash-fu scripting
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:23:30 < corecode> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:23:36 < corecode> and that's why i wouldn't hire you
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:23:50 < corecode> what about ksh?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:24:01 < corecode> what about zsh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:24:10 < corecode> do you even use bash constructs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:24:27 < corecode> will your stuff work on bsd?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:24:43 < FreezingCold> Will it? I don't know if it will, hence why I specify bash
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:24:55 < FreezingCold> but you don't count, you'd probably actually hire people based on their skills
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:25:00 < FreezingCold> which isn't how HR works
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:25:30 < corecode> true :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:25:34 < corecode> apply to startups
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:25:38 < corecode> they don't have HR
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:25:52 < FreezingCold> lol, in my city?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:26:47 < corecode> why do you care about staying in your city?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:27:23 < FreezingCold> mostly because I want to save up enough to start my own business
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:27:38 < FreezingCold> I can live at home for a bit longer and not pay rent
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:28:27 < FreezingCold> Plus my family will cut me off financially if I get a full time job and don't get a full EE after my associates
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:29:24 < corecode> bro, seems like you're stuck
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:32:49 < FreezingCold> and? =/
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:33:40 < corecode> what
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:33:44 < corecode> 's your business about
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:33:52 < ohsix> buns
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:34:09 < madist> ohsix: did you get warned for butts ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:34:24 < ohsix> nope, i just thought it was funny to change it to buns
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:34:29 < FreezingCold> corecode: I'm trying to stop getting ahead myself
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:34:38 < FreezingCold> I actually have to save up some money first
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:35:54 < FreezingCold> "An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator. " - after completing a 10 page application
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:35:57 < FreezingCold> fuck you welders union
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:37:42 < ohsix> these things are not related
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:38:42 < FreezingCold> the stress with living at home is pretty hard to ignore
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:40:22 < Jan-> hihi :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:41:10 < _abc_> Hello. Does anyone here have ideas on an *old* (1980s) 16 bit output 24pin wide DIP cased SPI shift register? I have such a beast, it is 'relabelled' and I need a datasheet or functional equivalent...
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:41:48 < archivist> so relabelled by who
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:41:53 < _abc_> It may be organized as 4x4 judging by the outputs which are grouped in 4 groups of 4 along the 24 pins
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:41:57 < FreezingCold> _abc_: there's really nothing to work off there
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:41:59 < FreezingCold> is it blown?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:42:06 < _abc_> archivist: By Rockwell
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:42:27 < ohsix> http://www.microsemi.com/images/soc/products/hardware/SmartFusion2_DevBoard_callout_lg.png heh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:42:31 < _abc_> FreezingCold: There are not that MANY 24 pin 16 bit SPI shift registers out there
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:42:43 < ohsix> spi in the 80s eh
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:42:51 < _abc_> The label on them is TSC9405
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:43:04 < FreezingCold> corecode: So what would you call it other than bash-fu?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:43:06 < _abc_> ohsix: You can call it what you like, shift register, MSI.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:43:25 < ohsix> well there are 74 and 4000 series logic shift registers
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:43:29 < FreezingCold> _abc_: just buy an exact replacement
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:43:33 < _abc_> I assume the oem is TI but it was probably custom ordered, it is automotive grade I think. It simply drives leds.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:43:33 < ohsix> i'd look there first
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:43:41 < _abc_> I looked everywhere.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:43:45 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Smartypants.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:43:53 < corecode> FreezingCold: shell scripting
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:01 < ohsix> tsc is teledyne isn't it
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:01 < FreezingCold> _abc_: k, wtf are you trying to do then?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:03 < corecode> FreezingCold: sh/awk/sed, that stuff?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:11 < FreezingCold> corecode: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:16 < _abc_> The back side says T1HT8804 if that helps
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:25 < corecode> _abc_: you happen to have a spice model for a cmos driver?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:25 < ohsix> 88 04
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:26 < _abc_> Which may mean 1988 or not
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:34 < FreezingCold> google turns up zero on T1HT8804
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:44:40 < _abc_> The front says 9123ADA which may also be a date code
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:42 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I'll ask again, what are you doing?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:44:57 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Looking for a datasheet for a part? Which may be busted or not?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:45:17 < FreezingCold> It's by Teledyne Semiconductor I believe
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:45:21 < _abc_> TSC9405comes up empty.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:45:28  * _abc_ hugs FreezingCold 
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:45:29 < FreezingCold> http://pdf.datasheetarchive.com/indexerfiles/Scans-066/DSA2IH00193610.pdf
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:45:57 < FreezingCold> Is that it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:46:09 < _abc_> Yes! It was not there before! I looked 2 weeks ago or so.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:46:12 < _abc_> Thanks.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:46:32 < FreezingCold> liessss :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:46:45 < FreezingCold> _abc_: sooo i'm looking for work if you want to return the favor :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:46:52 < _abc_> I am not kidding I grabbed the part again just now, I had it set aside for later searches.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:47:05 < ohsix> that si a regular, boring shif t register
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:47:10 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Do you accept CAD2/hour jobs
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:47:20 < madist> just get a hitman to bump off _abc_ and take his job
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:47:21 < FreezingCold> _abc_: meh, I'd consider $10/h
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:47:26 < _abc_> ohsix: Yes, but it just so happens to be driven well with SPI...
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:47:34 < FreezingCold> madist: how much will the hitman cost, and how much does _abc_ make?
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:47:48 < FreezingCold> I want to make sure I won't lose money off of it overall
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:47:50 < madist> you can get a hitman very cheap in neighbouring bulgaria.
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:47:52 < FreezingCold> you have to include all these costs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:51:34 < ohsix> _abc_: none of the 74/4x junk i can see goes up to 16 bits, buns
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:51:44 < FreezingCold> man all I want right own is my own house mortgage free, retirement and a bottle whiskey to fall asleep to every night
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:51:47 < ohsix> i wonder if there's any sort of second source or what the rest of their logic line looked like
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:51:50 < FreezingCold> *a bottle of whiskey
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:52:12 < Haffa> first world problems.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:52:25 < Haxxa> Well I have to so a presentation on linking sensors to humanity, empathy and human kindness. How do I do that :/
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:52:28 < Haxxa> *do
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:53:12 < FreezingCold> Haffa: heh, that seems pretty basic
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:53:49 < corecode> Haxxa: wat
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:53:52 < Haxxa> FreezingCold - go...
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:53:57 < FreezingCold> Haxxa: go what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:54:03 < Haxxa> its basic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:54:30 < Haffa> its basic?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:54:35 < Haffa> hue :P
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:55:01 < ohsix> you can whittle that all down to a bottle of whisky, then malt liquor or whatever you can panhandle for
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:55:04 < corecode> who came up with that topic
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:55:20 < ohsix> _abc_: are you looking for a second source or do you have a bunch of them
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:55:26 < FreezingCold> ohsix: that doesn't let me sleep well and avoid people
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:55:33 < ohsix> FreezingCold: ypi
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:55:35 < FreezingCold> hence the mortgage free house
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:55:36 < Haxxa> Haffa Sorry thought he mis-spelled my name...
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:55:38 < ohsix> you'll be blitzed, who cares
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:56:00 < ohsix> that's the secret to getting it down to one thing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:56:17 < intranick> ohsix: when do you evolve into ohseven?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:56:26 < Haxxa> corecode someone who thinks tech is changing the world and every aspact of it can be linked to everything else - really hard topic to link and as opening presentation too...
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:56:44 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I don't like being out when I'm buzzed
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:56:56 < FreezingCold> if I just try to sit down for awhile, people start asking you questions
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:56:57 < ohsix> excuses, pah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:57:41 < ohsix> _abc_: they have much cooler ones that can do irqs on the pins and stuff now
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T13:57:45 < FreezingCold> I didn't mention it before either, but sex in the morning and night would be ideal too
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:58:02 < corecode> Haxxa: in school?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T13:59:49 < Haxxa> sort of - at a university where some peopel from cisco and sensis and singapore tech company are coming
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:00:03 < Haxxa> I have been given opening presentation
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:17:53 < _abc_> JyZyXEL: You can sort of rely on them being less than ideal for most projects.
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:18:05 < _abc_> skyroveRR: Offered by Lithium battery makers? ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:18:27 < skyroveRR> _abc_: no, but by other goons known as "insurance companies".
2014-04.log:2014-04-27T14:18:34 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Anyway, thanks for the TSC9405 datasheet find, again.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-27T14:18:54 < FreezingCold> _abc_: No problem :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:18:56 < _abc_> skyroveRR: I am willing to bet health insurance does not cover facial burns caused by Li battery venting
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:19:02 < JyZyXEL> these days motherboards use polymer caps so i guess things are better?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T14:19:07 < _abc_> Yes!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T16:55:58 < JFK911> roederstein/vishay did
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T16:57:36 < guanche> guys, what would be the best option to derive 4 outputs of 12V-2A from mains? a dc-dc converter?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T16:57:58 < zaph_> JFK911: so what do I replace it with?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T16:58:21 < JFK911> zaph_: i think you figured out more than i did, with the x2 idea
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:52:18 < KornKage> sure its not that bad, but its not very good either
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:53:08 < veek> KornKage, i suppose you'll suggest Apostol?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:53:51 < veek> KornKage, it has many pretty piccies but yeah not dense enough and too many rotten examples
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:54:16 < KornKage> i dunno
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:55:21 < _2_Jessica> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T20:55:48 < veek> so what does he mean by.. net e-field is always..
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T21:08:17 < SpeedEvil> d-snp: it can be done either way - but only with the approved programmer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-27T21:08:46 < d-snp> would it be easier instead to just replace the battery with something custom like? or is there some weird circuitry in there that's hard to diy?
2014-04.log-2014-04-27T21:08:52 < scrts> SpeedEvil: yep, such ones are common, the point is that I need female socket on the top also. It has to be pass-thru :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T06:10:16 < OoTLink> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T06:10:31 < OoTLink> I kinda want to go take the FE and then later try and become a licensed engineer
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T06:12:31 < upgrdman> made some more progress on my boost converter:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnAF7H0dVdo  ... nasty waveforms:  http://farrellf.com/temp/hv_boost_converter.png
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T07:52:29 < R0b0t1> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T07:52:38 < R0b0t1> you didn't mean 3d spatial relationship capturing did you?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T07:52:48 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, I wonder how difficult it is to use Fanuc's stuff with computer control...
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T07:53:07 < FreezingCold> they all want you to use their stupid pendant thingy
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T07:53:10 < R0b0t1> ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T07:53:39 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: talking bout industrial robots
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T07:54:20 < FreezingCold> I tried to get something going with an old Thermo Scientific robot, but the software was just so damn limiting
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T07:59:19 < intranick> is ubuntu 14.4 out yet?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:00:27 < FreezingCold> I don't think so
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:00:30 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: that's why you never use the OEM software
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:00:30 < FreezingCold> dunno though
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:00:31 < R0b0t1> invariably
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:00:33 < R0b0t1> it sucks dick
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:00:40 < R0b0t1> how and when it sucks dick may vary, however
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:00:49 < intranick> ROFL
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:00:56 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: what else am I supposed to do if I want a six axis industrial robot robot.....?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:01:07 < R0b0t1> lobotomy
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:11:15 < LeelooMinai> Is it me, or it should not happen?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:11:15 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/vPsYsb0.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:11:21 < OoTLink> still off topi
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:11:36 < FreezingCold> hoverboard: what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:11:41 < hoverboard> so how well do you guys think a college textbook based nook/kindle would do?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:12:24 < FreezingCold> what does that mean?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:12:31 < FreezingCold> You mean trying to publish only an ebook?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:12:52 < hoverboard> no I mean coming out with like a Kindle College Edition
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:13:00 < FreezingCold> What would be different?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:13:01 < hoverboard> which would be fatter, more like college books
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:13:04 < hoverboard> (:
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:13:06 < FreezingCold> ...
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:13:09 < FreezingCold> Why...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:13:26 < hoverboard> do they do it now?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:14:19 < FreezingCold> I really don't know if you're trying to make a point or make a joke
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:14:52 < hoverboard> I'm brainstorming... it sounds like the next million dollar idea to me
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:15:26 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, mystery
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:15:54 < Xaft> I don't know whether anyone here can help me, but I am looking to hack my FM transmitter that plugs into my iphone 4 using the standard connector. The device sources its power from the iphone and is only on when the iphone is connected to it. I am looking to have it on when the iphone isn't connected, anyone had experience with something like this?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:16:02 < FreezingCold> hoverboard: k, I'm a college student. Wtf are you talking about and why shouldn't I just buy an ebook from Amazon like everybody else?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:16:03 < LeelooMinai> Maybe there's something inside this cable... It's a nokia ona
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:16:17 < LeelooMinai> http://www.a4c.com/product/nokia-ca-101d-micro-usb-data-cable.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:16:33 < LeelooMinai> ^ kind of like this one, but longer - any idea if there's something magical in those cables?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:16:49 < hoverboard> FreezingCold, do you understand marketing at all?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:17:03 < LeelooMinai> It drops voltage on me from 5V to 4.88V at 50mA load
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T08:17:36 < FreezingCold> hoverboard: Yeah, and I don't see why you wouldn't just market the standard Kindle to college students...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:17:45 < hoverboard> product differentiation
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:18:03 < synx508> No.
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T08:18:17 < hoverboard> yes
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:00:22 < esas> Btw, I'm using it for a buried electric fence for a robot. So if you know of a better way, feel free to tell me :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:01:08 < LeelooMinai> esas: Is it gardening robot? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:01:14 < esas> indeed :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:01:17 < FreezingCold> Hmm, I need to look into Fanuc's robots
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:01:19 < FreezingCold> they seem pretty cheap
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:01:56 < LeelooMinai> esas: And I thought I made a joke...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:02:03 < esas> I have no plan to equip it with cutters, though.. Just want to see it go around ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:02:05 < ohsix> esas: using an existing virtual dog fence or something would save you a lot of trouble
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:02:09 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Fanuc-S-420-iF-RJ2-Industrial-robot-Tested-and-Verified-W-Warranty-/111333558428?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item19ebff489c
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:02:17 < esas> I'm not making it to mow the lawn :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:02:32 < ohsix> if not as a fence, then what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:02:34 < esas> I'm making it to learn about stuff. So I prefer to not use existing products
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:04:19 < ohsix> an excited wire is tough!!11
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:04:32 < dongbag> More specifically, has anyone tried out the hacks? lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:04:41 < FreezingCold> man 120kg payload for $5k
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:04:45 < FreezingCold> that's pretty fucking cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:04:58 < LeelooMinai> dongbag: I don't hav it, but watched some reviews and teardowns - it's good value, especially if you hack it from 70 to 200 MHz
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:05:00 < FreezingCold> it's only accurate to like a millimeter though
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:04 < ohsix> dongbag: yea but it's pretty poop now
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:10 < dongbag> why is it poop
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:15 < ohsix> for the same price, newer rigol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:30 < ohsix> poop = not as good as alternatives
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:36 < dongbag> I can't decide what to buy
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:44 < ohsix> there was a time that the hacks were a huge value, it has passed
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:05:47 < FreezingCold> dongbag: Are you dongs?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:53 < ohsix> get something second hand
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:56 < dongbag> No I'm a bag of dongs
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:05:58 < LeelooMinai> dongbag: That 2000 series is better than value Z one, though has only 2 channels, not 4
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:06:00 < ohsix> (irony noted)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:06:01 < esas> LeelooMinai good idea, but I've always thought of triangulation as a daunting thing. What kind of accuracy can you get from it? I would know how to write the code, but don't you need really fast CPU's to handle the timing if you want decent accuracy?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:06:06 < FreezingCold> jesus man I want a S420iF so bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:06:15 < FreezingCold> I found it five minutes ago and I already one want :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:06:29 < dongbag> ohsix what alternatives do you speak of for the same price?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:06:30 < LeelooMinai> esas: It doesn't have to be timing - it can be signal strength instead
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:06:39 < ohsix> http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/5030501013_b3b9cf1058.jpg heh theres nothing to these
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:04 < ohsix> dongbag: same price, different timeframes; you can get a 2000 second hand
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:12 < JFK911> unless you have a directional antenna
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:23 < dongbag> I rather get it new
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:07:35 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_9_zOjVWk
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:07:37 < FreezingCold> click it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:39 < JFK911> with fixed antennas you'd measure the delay in four receiving antennas and calculate a bearing
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:42 < hjohnson> damnit yet another failing hard drive..
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:49 < esas> JFK911: Couldn't you just flip the different emitters on and off while triangulating?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:53 < ohsix> JFK911: but it would be WAY COOL BRO
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:07:58 < LeelooMinai> E, I think one can get position from 3 signals and their strength without timing
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:08:05 < ohsix> .......................
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:08:06 < FreezingCold> actually
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:08:08 < ohsix> hehahtreahtersdtfg
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:08:09 < FreezingCold> this is better
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:08:09 < LeelooMinai> They just need to be distinguishable
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:08:10 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnJ0y3UaZ-8
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:08:16 < JFK911> esas: you switch the antennas on the receiver quickly
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:08:22 < hjohnson> though when you have 16 of them spinning at the same time, it's not too surprising
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:35:47 < FreezingCold> the hell physics
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:35:51 < ohsix> it is cheaper to not lose things :\
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:36:03 < FreezingCold> i tipped my coffee 30 degrees and some of it got in my hair
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:36:04 < FreezingCold> ...how
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:36:23 < ohsix> i should consider using some fixed power on hour thing as replacement and sell the drives on the backend
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:36:54 < ohsix> FreezingCold: sloshing can slam a thin layer of stuff into splatter or fine mist p. good!
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:37:03 < FreezingCold> yep
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:37:41 < d-snp> there's only one way to find out if I have any unpaid invoices at Farnell
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:37:48 < evilbetty> or you did it above your head?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:38:05 < ohsix> or that
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:38:13 < FreezingCold>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   086   086   000    Old_age   Always       -       10937
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:38:17 < ohsix> he could have had his head in his cup
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:38:26 < d-snp> basically if it takes longer than 1 day for them to send me something, I've forgot to pay a bill..
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:38:39 < FreezingCold> Is 10937 in hours...?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:38:46 < FreezingCold> yeah I guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:38:58 < FreezingCold> sounds too long, but I guess I leave my laptop on a lot
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:39:05 < ohsix>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       7532
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:39:10 < FreezingCold> 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   001   001   000    Old_age   Always       -       590036
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:39:12 < FreezingCold> beat that
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:39:13 < ohsix> craptop drive
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:39:28 < ohsix> 191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0022   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       11532
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:39:32 < FreezingCold> booya
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:39:34 < FreezingCold> I win
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:39:39 < FreezingCold> half a million shocks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:39:50 < ohsix> i am less of a person for my loss
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:39:56 < ohsix> taking it hard
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:40:20 < ohsix> i got one
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:40:21 < ohsix>  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       90
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:40:25 < ohsix> beat that
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:40:42 < FreezingCold>  12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       2572
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:40:53 < FreezingCold> :>
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:40:59 < ohsix> my laptop has been on for 110 days
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:41:04 < ohsix> :<
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:41:08 < ohsix> it tends to do that
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:41:09 < FreezingCold> [20140428:044102~]$ uptime
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:41:10 < FreezingCold>  04:41:02 up 2 days,  9:07,  0 users,  load average: 0.27, 0.44, 0.65
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:41:21 < ohsix>  01:41:09 up 110 days, 20:42, 19 users,  load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.12
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:41:29 < FreezingCold> bro, do you update your kernel?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:41:32 < ohsix> 0 users?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:41:59 < ohsix> i don't update anything anymore (with qualifications) not on my laptop
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:20 < FreezingCold> [20140428:044213~]$ who -q | tail -1
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:20 < FreezingCold> # users=0
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:30 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Why don't you update?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:35 < FreezingCold> ohsix: can you uname -a for me?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:42:42 < ohsix> gnome shell landed like a huge turd in the middle of loving my workflow in gnome2 on my laptop
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:42 < FreezingCold> [20140428:044234~]$ uname -a
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:42 < FreezingCold> Linux gristmills 3.14.1-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 20:40:47 CEST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:42:47 < ohsix> 2.6.39
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:42:57 < FreezingCold> jesus, when was your kernel built
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:43:16 < ohsix> easy to find out without me saying
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:43:33 < JFK911> i need the latest kernel with the freshest bugs
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:43:43 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I can built 2.6.39 right now
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:43:45 < ohsix> freshest buns amirite
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:43:47 < FreezingCold> and it would be built in 2014
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:43:52 < d-snp> :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:44:00 < FreezingCold> /s/built/build
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:05 < BohemianHacks> ...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:06 < ohsix> if i cared it would be built, and newer
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:44:17 < FreezingCold> ohsix: what distro is this?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:20 < BohemianHacks> im either going crazy or the whole room just got darker
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:44:22 < FreezingCold> if it's arch...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:31 < ohsix> i think you're underestimating how little i desire to fuck with my laptop
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:36 < BohemianHacks> 4 am in a hundred year old hotel... by myself
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:45 < BohemianHacks> brb getting raped by ghosts
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:44:47 < FreezingCold> BohemianHacks: Did the hooker bail on you? :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:52 < BohemianHacks> im at work
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:44:53 < ohsix> i have vmware and chroots for new stuff when i need it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:01 < BohemianHacks> its my job to stop robbers and ghosts
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:24 < evilbetty> are we having an uptime e-penis moment?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:27 < d-snp> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:29 < d-snp> I love those :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:45:31 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: always
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:46 < BohemianHacks> wouldn't uptime for a penis be something totally different
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:52 < ohsix> my current situation wrt updates does suck, abd i resent it a little; but it would mean hundreds of people doing work for me and i'm fine with just being behind until i get a new laptop or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:55 < BohemianHacks> 211 days is unhealthy... see a doctor
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:45:57 < ohsix> Host 'fracas', running Linux 3.8.0-35-generic - Cpu0: Pentium III 1097 MHz; Up: 89d+9:54; Users: 3; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 5/368 Mio] [Swap: 1989/1999 Mio] [/: 16316/26867 Mio] [/home/ohsix/oldstuff/butt: 586/3796 Mio]; Vpenis: 31.5 cm;
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:46:04 < FreezingCold> LOL P3
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:46:04 < FreezingCold> nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:06 < ohsix> penisery
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:11 < d-snp> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:12 < evilbetty> i'm not sure about my uptome
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:21 < evilbetty> i started 45 min ago
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:27 < evilbetty> so probably 39 min or so
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:46:51 < FreezingCold> ohsix: What's that in inches?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:46:53 < ohsix> the uptime of my shit is just a proxy for the last time something bad happened ;]
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:00 < evilbetty> 39cm ? :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:47:04 < FreezingCold> I only know my penis length in inches
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:06 < BohemianHacks> ohsix: are you running puppy linux or something?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:07 < d-snp> well over 10 inch :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:47:15 < FreezingCold> shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:16 < BohemianHacks> 3.x kernel on a p3 is hilarious
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:47:34 < FreezingCold> BohemianHacks: na, he's got a ton of ram
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:34 < ohsix> BohemianHacks: no, i'm not really the type to go on about shit or anything, this is an aberration
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:34 < evilbetty> my uptime on vps is 39 days :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:47:38 < FreezingCold> he's got frigging 368MB
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:45 < d-snp> I can recommend switching to metric for penis length
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:47:47 < d-snp> it's more flattering
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:06 < ohsix> is there a particular, real reason why a newer kernel would be less suitable for such a thing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:08 < evilbetty> penises arent flatttering
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:48:15 < FreezingCold> d-snp: heh I don't like saying "centi" in the same sentence as "my dick"
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:48:22 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: speak for yourself, mine disagrees
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:26 < ohsix> .
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:28 < BohemianHacks> ohsix: not a "real" reason, some may argue bloat but fuck em
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:34 < ohsix> BohemianHacks: ++
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:48:58 < ohsix> (as is anywhere else)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:49:03 < ohsix> hm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:49:18 < GentileBen> FreezingCold, are you into annealling?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:49:23 < ohsix> no big features, i kind of know what i'm missing; that's why i asked for particulars
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:49:23 < FreezingCold> ohsix: but yeah, is that puppy linux?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:49:27 < ohsix> nope
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:49:36 < FreezingCold> 5MB of RAM sounds pretty small
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:49:43 < FreezingCold> what are you doing on that machine
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:49:53 < ohsix> ubuntu but in a situation i can easily make it debian, and am at some point
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:49:57 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:03 < FreezingCold> ubuntu can get down tha tlow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:06 < d-snp> ehh, it's 5MB free right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:10 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:14 < ohsix> yes, free
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:15 < BohemianHacks> older releases can for sure
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:17 < FreezingCold> I may have misread it
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:18 < FreezingCold> ahhhhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:19 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:25 < ohsix> rest is used on file cache and stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:50:25 < FreezingCold> I read that as 5MB *used*
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:38 < BohemianHacks> ive run natty on a p4
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:43 < d-snp> you know having 360mb isn't all that uncommon nowadays, because of all the vm slices
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:50:55 < d-snp> we have had lots of customers complaining about not being able to compile our hardware
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:51:13 < d-snp> *
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:51:17 < ohsix> nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:51:37 < ohsix> they have balloon drivers though, and you can order more ;D
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:51:47 < FreezingCold> I dunno, I like of like Gnome 3 as a desktop
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:51:59 < d-snp> unity ftw :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:52:01 < ohsix> i want a multicore thing i can host vms on, but the need has not met the expense yet
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:52:01 < FreezingCold> d-snp: you don't compile your hardware?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:52:11 < d-snp> FreezingCold: no we hand assemble that ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:52:26 < FreezingCold> I automate that shit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:52:37 < ohsix> i choose not to do it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:52:40 < ohsix> who wins
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:52:51 < FreezingCold> lol I don't do any assembly
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:52:55 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i like shell too
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:53:08 < FreezingCold> though I am considering getting into a bit of construction
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:53:16 < JFK911> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGtImIP6j3A&t=22m17s  lolll ebay "performance chip"
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:53:17 < ohsix> there are just a lot of implications for how i use my laprop
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:53:27 < FreezingCold> looking at maybe getting an older fanuc to help me out
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:53:34 < dongbag> Man
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:53:46 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I don
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:53:50 < FreezingCold> I dont use my desktop
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:53:52 < dongbag> Living in canada it sure is hard to come by decent prices for test equipment :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:10 < JFK911> canada is a graveyard of old GOULD machines
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:18 < ohsix> dongbag: what are you finding and what do you consilder decent?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:54:26 < FreezingCold> dongbag: tell me about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:27 < evilbetty> :(
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:54:32 < FreezingCold> ohsix: there's hardly any new scopes
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:33 < evilbetty> my day is ruined :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:46 < evilbetty> ugly people in my personal space :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:54:53 < ohsix> test equipment is p. valuable, it just blows when you can't allocate for even an entry level widget
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:55:03 < dongbag> I decided to go for a DS2072A
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:55:17 < FreezingCold> Why the hell do we use dealers for industrial robot?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:55:23 < FreezingCold> why can't I just buy shit directly?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:55:29 < FreezingCold> dongbag: Where are you buying it from?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:55:39 < dongbag> I emailed a few people
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:55:49 < dongbag> Ebay... Rigol
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:55:53 < evilbetty> you can buy shit drirectly, trucks full of it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:05 < dongbag> I live 20 minutes next to the border so I might ship it to a US location and go pick it up
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:11 < JFK911> there you go
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:56:15 < FreezingCold> dongbag: Do you live in Cornwall?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:20 < dongbag> No Vancouver
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:20 < JFK911> you can use the ebay flea market
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:56:27 < FreezingCold> oh right yeah you mentioned that
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:48 < ohsix> if you can go into the states you can go a bit farther for flea markets
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:56:58 < JFK911> yeah get down to de anza
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:57:03 < JFK911> their flea is legendary
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:01 < davo> hi all, i don't know where to ask, is there a channel for digital logic design?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:23 < JFK911> i got one scope i havent looked at yet, the trigger is fucked, it hink theres a 79xx regulator bad
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:59:23 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:59:26 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llRbUHVjP7Q
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T11:59:37 < FreezingCold> the levels of bad
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:42 < d-snp> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:49 < d-snp> I have a friend who builds with fanuc robots
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:50 < dongbag> I don't want to risk buying second hand : /
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T11:59:58 < d-snp> they are really impressive up close I can say
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:00:03 < ohsix> davo: not that i know of, and specific people that do that aren'r around afaik; but the last bunch of times someone asked a question like that there were plenty of people able to answer
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:00:45 < JFK911> FreezingCold: yeah he should have a helpet
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:00:47 < JFK911> helm
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:00:52 < d-snp> FreezingCold: any particular reason you were browsing fanuc robots? :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:00:56 < dongbag> FreezingCold: that guy came pretty close to being paralyzed lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:00:56 < d-snp> a helm? what for?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:00:57 < FreezingCold> are you having a stroke?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:01:02 < davo> ohsix: cool thanks. i'm looking for a simple digital logic simulator that can branch off multiple times from the same inputs
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:01:19 < JFK911> d-snp: cuz it looks like he could have hit his head on the ground
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:01:24 < FreezingCold> d-snp: I'm thinking about maybe buying one. I had some fun with a Thermo (CRS) robot in school last semester
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:01:35 < davo> i've been using this online sim, http://www.neuroproductions.be/logic-lab/, works pretty good but cant seem to branch off the same input multiple times
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:01:40 < d-snp> JFK911: that robot moves 100kg waits at sub millimeter precision
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:01:44 < dongbag> I don't think a helment would stop a robot from crushing his spinal colum lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:09 < ohsix> JFK911: fatfingerist :|
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:12 < d-snp> JFK911: I hope they've done a testrun before :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:18 < evilbetty> disney is making a boy meets world remake :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:02:24 < FreezingCold> d-snp: yeah I'm looking at the S-420iF
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:26 < d-snp> you don't come close to a fanuc robot before having tested it..
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:29 < evilbetty> in this typical dinsye stupid voices way
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:39 < davo> ohsix: yes i need to branch same stimulus to multiple things
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:02:40 < FreezingCold> d-snp: it carries around 100 kg
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:02:51 < davo> ohsix: your saying thats possble with the same config?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:03:11 < ohsix> i'm saying i don't know why you can't literally do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:03:22 < ohsix> what simulator are you using?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:03:31 < d-snp> FreezingCold: cool, what are you going to do with it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:03:35 < davo> i'd love to literally do that if i can with any simluator
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:03:42 < ohsix> you can
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:03:52 < davo> i've only found the simulator at the link i posted above
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:15 < davo> hm, im dumb then no idea how to do that
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:16 < ohsix> also just providing the same stimulus to multiple inputs should work
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:04:20 < FreezingCold> d-snp: I was thinking maybe wood cutting and loading
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:20 < ohsix> oh sorry, missed that
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:04:38 < FreezingCold> d-snp: basically load in a project and get all the lengths and holes done automatically
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:38 < dongbag> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Kpv-ZOcKY
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:41 < davo> how would i provide the same stimulus if the stimulus only allows for one output
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:04:54 < FreezingCold> d-snp: honestly the stuff is so cheap it's pretty easy to justify
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:04:59 < d-snp> ah right, you have some kind of factory/shop?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:02 < d-snp> cheap?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:05:22 < FreezingCold> d-snp: in like 10 minutes of searching I've found the S-420iF as low as $5k
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:26 < d-snp> I thought they ran for about $100k
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:30 < d-snp> wow
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:32 < d-snp> that is really cheap
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:05:35 < FreezingCold> totally
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:42 < d-snp> is that second hand?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:05:47 < FreezingCold> oh yeah.
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:05:52 < d-snp> hmm
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:06:01 < FreezingCold> Anything under $25k will be from around ~2000
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:01 < evilbetty> oh boy
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:14 < d-snp> still weirdly cheap, I don't know that model in particular, but my friends boss definitely paid in the 100k range for theirs
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:24 < evilbetty> half belgium is in shock because a cook on tv cut a living lobster in 2
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:32 < evilbetty> stupid people
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:35 < ohsix> davo: that sim is neat; i was speaking generally about simulators (not web ones) let me see if i can find i would use
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:06:42 < FreezingCold> d-snp: totally believable for a brand new unit. My school bought a few mobile series ones for $30k each new
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:06:45 < ohsix> davo: what are you trying to do with it btw
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:07:23 < d-snp> wow I didn't know they could be had for so little, definitely brings it in the realm of possibilities for small shop automation :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:07:57 < d-snp> do be careful though, you really need to put a fence around anywhere it can reach, they try to stop when they hit something
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:09 < d-snp> but they might have gone through your skull before they realize
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:08:29 < FreezingCold> d-snp: yeah I've smashed one into a desk at low speeds
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:37 < d-snp> my friend made a programming mistake, and it made a pretty big dent in its steel enclosure :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:08:38 < FreezingCold> it dented the metal
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:40 < davo> ohsix: i think i understand what you were saying earlier that i can do the same with multiple stimuli to get the same result
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:41 < ohsix> fanuc? you can program an envelope that it won't go into
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:48 < dongbag> does it have a fleshlight adapter...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:51 < davo> i'm just trying to test a truth table that i have for a K'Map
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:08:57 < dongbag> I have a friend... who want's to know...
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:08:58 < FreezingCold> d-snp: haha yeah I think that's something everyone does
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:09:06 < ohsix> davo: ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:09:07 < FreezingCold> dongbag: sure, but it takes your penis with it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:09:25 < davo> ohsix: i know it's a stupid lazy way to check it, but i just thought i'd try it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:11:00 < davo> ohsix: that's ok, i appreciate your feedback
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:13:05 < ohsix> davo: you could always do it in minecraft with redstone
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:13:44 < FreezingCold> d-snp: I want to do some decent interfacing with a full desktop though, most companies seem pretty against it
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:13:51 < FreezingCold> they love their fucking pendants
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:13:51 < davo> hm, i've never used minecraft, i'll look into it tho :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:13:54 < FreezingCold> stupid things
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:14:06 < FreezingCold> I use it as an overpriced safety button...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:10 < d-snp> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:12 < rkreis> hi all
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:24 < ohsix> http://smartsim.org.uk/ heh neat
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:14:36 < FreezingCold> I wonder if my parents would let me keep that large Fanuc in the garage
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:46 < d-snp> the pendant.. I think it ran some embedded OS that ran a JVM that ran an interpreter for their weird assembly like robot instruction language :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:52 < d-snp> oh no
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:14:56 < d-snp> it was a browser!
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:00 < d-snp> wasn't it?
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:15:04 < FreezingCold> god knows what they do
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:15:15 < FreezingCold> engineers make the worst programmers
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:15:30 < FreezingCold> they know enough to make a shitty system :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:32 < d-snp> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:35 < davo> ohsix, awesome opensource and has a linux port, thanks!
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:39 < evilbetty> lol
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:15:50 < FreezingCold> just hire a few proper system programmers...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:51 < evilbetty> "hacker yelled at baby via IP camera"
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:15:51 < FreezingCold> not hard
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:52 < d-snp> my friend programmed in labView, was actually pretty cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:15:54 < ohsix> davo: ooh this has a free trial; and is one of the big and comples http://www.mentor.com/products/fpga/model
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:00 < evilbetty> i bet the parents didnt change the default password
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:06 < d-snp> they didn't employee any real software devs either
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:16:23 < FreezingCold> d-snp: Now NI knows how to make software
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:31 < ohsix> d-snp: ya i wish there was some open source dataflow languages like it, it is really well suited for certain types of tasks
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:44 < JFK911> oh lawdy NI
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:54 < d-snp> NI?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:16:58 < JFK911> nazional instrumentz
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:17:01 < d-snp> oh right
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:17:12 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:17:14 < davo> ohsix: wow that last one is beefy & awesome, i'll check that one out next if the smartsim doesnt do the job :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:17:24 < FreezingCold> their equipment is very overpriced but it does work
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:17:34 < ohsix> d-snp: max msp and other stuff doesn't count ;D
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:17:47 < JFK911> FreezingCold: lol i like the $2000 ADC and $1000 gpio box
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:17:54 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:17:55 < JFK911> $300 gpib cable
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:18:00 < ohsix> FreezingCold: expensive but with labview it is easy to setup tests and stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:18:00 < FreezingCold> but hey, it really works
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:18:06 < FreezingCold> ohsix: agreed
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:18:07 < d-snp> ohsix: not that it's open source, but the dataflow language in Unreal Engine 4 is very cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:18:16 < JFK911> i have a bunch of NI PCI-488 cards
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:18:19 < ohsix> d-snp: for textures?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:20:40 < ohsix> i'm thinking of streams of values, adding, summing
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:20:43 < d-snp> I'm trying to procedurally create realistic urban buildings using it
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:21:07 < d-snp> yes, so the values are usually floats and vectors that describe positions and intensities
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:21:11 < FreezingCold> d-snp: I wonder how expensive setting up a rail system would be
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:21:16 < FreezingCold> those look so damn cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:21:31 < ohsix> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MZGA7PYmuls/S-bqZJtKP6I/AAAAAAAAACk/JGvSfc3GJXk/s1600/SoftwareCircuito.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:21:49 < ohsix> (maxmsp
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:21:50 < ohsix> )
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:25:49 < ohsix> d-snp: yea it is what they used
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:25:51 < ohsix> neat
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:26:30 < FreezingCold> d-snp: yeah but the robot is frigging heavy
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:26:42 < ohsix> fast drumstick at 4:38 ;D
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T12:27:57 < FreezingCold> d-snp: deadmau5 bought two allen bradley robots for moving around randomly at clubs lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:28:27 < ohsix> that looks like a robot they had at trade shows for a (don't ask, forgot)  motion control vendor
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:28:48  * LeelooMinai emerges after temporarily fixing pcb fubar with a metalworking clamp - that must be the first:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T12:29:29 < ohsix> d-snp: dataflow stuff is great when you have real inputs and outputs like with labview :<
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:36:55 < kizzap> fairly cool?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:39:22 < FreezingCold> hmm, I wonder where my ebay stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:39:23 < FreezingCold> is
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:45:19 < evilbetty> tshirt weather
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:45:20 < sivanov> kizzap: this mould was kept indoors, and it gets to 30C in the office on weekend when no one opens windows, so should be warm enough for stuff to polymerize
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:46:59 < FreezingCold> man my bluetooth rs232 converter won't be here for another week or two :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:47:11 < kizzap> hmmm. strange. if concrete is anything to go by, you might have to wait 28 days...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:47:17 < evilbetty> you should have ordered on adafruit
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:48:02 < FreezingCold> kizzap: actually 28 days in total is about right
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:48:08 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I'm Canadian.
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:48:25 < FreezingCold> so I assume adafruit would add insane shipping on top of their large markup
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:48:31 < evilbetty> canadafruit
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:54:12 < evilbetty> they're all same price class anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:54:16 < Nebukadneza> i also have those in the house oO
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:54:19 < Nebukadneza> bass heavy and mushy
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:54:35  * FreezingCold is listening to piano songs written by Deadmau5
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:54:39 < FreezingCold> seems odd...
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:54:47 < Nebukadneza> if you know how to recognize sextetts you can find some rather cheaply on ebay
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:54:49 < FreezingCold> but meh, it's good elevator music
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:54:52 < evilbetty> long story, i wanted dt990, too expensive, so i got AD700, 2x because first pair was broken, and then some import tax on both pairs, in the end i paid 50eur less that proper DT990
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:55:04 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I've just used my HD-25 II's for years
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:55:07 < FreezingCold> I'm on my second pair
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:55:15 < evilbetty> i prefer open headphones tho
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:55:19 < cryptopsy> what kind of transformer is this?  http://i.imgur.com/JhaErcK.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:55:53 < cryptopsy> i don't know, wondering what the maze on top is
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:56:02 < Nebukadneza> mh, say ... is there a simple symbol for 1..n simple pinheaders in diptrace?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:56:06 < bobo1on1> could be a selenium rectifier
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:56:09 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: my hd-25's aren't isolating enough tb
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:56:11 < FreezingCold> *tbh
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:56:14 < evilbetty> hmm
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:56:15 < FreezingCold> I think I'm losing some of my hearing
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:56:19 < evilbetty> my open ones neither
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:56:29 < evilbetty> and every time i sue them my neighbour starts mowing his lawn
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:56:40 < FreezingCold> I noticed I set my laptop to 40% volume instead of 25% like I used to a few months ago
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:57:05 < evilbetty> you're going deaf
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:57:10 < evilbetty> i have it all the time
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:57:26 < evilbetty> ad i'm still not sure if i'm really going deaf or if its my music having different volumes:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:58:04 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:58:04 < FreezingCold> same
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:58:17 < Nebukadneza> WHYYYY ... does one have to make *every* pattern yourself for f...ing pcb layout?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:58:18 < evilbetty> on my linux box its or youtube playing quiet or a hidden alsa slider not fully open :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:58:40 < evilbetty> i have a VU mter now
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:58:47 < evilbetty> so i can check if its my ears or pc :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:59:02 < FreezingCold> I could probably just check the voltage
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:59:25 < evilbetty> i feel like singing
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T15:59:30 < FreezingCold> would give me a semi-accurate reading
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:59:31 < evilbetty> but my colleagues dont feel like listening
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T15:59:40 < Jimy90> can someone please help me about soldering iron?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:01:23 < evilbetty> you have to hold it on the nonmetal side
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:01:27 < evilbetty> otherwise you burn your hand
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:01:32 < FreezingCold> ooooohhh
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:01:37 < FreezingCold> that's what I've been doing wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:01:46 < evilbetty> indeed
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:02:12 < FreezingCold> I should go get a haircut today
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:02:33 < evilbetty> or a shower :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:03:16 < FreezingCold> i'm thinking both actually =0
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:03:42 < evilbetty> i got the key i got the secreeet
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:06:52 < cryptopsy> why would it be a bridge rectifier, those circuits are small
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:07:11 < FreezingCold> cryptopsy: uh, what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:07:53 < cryptopsy> what kind of transformer is this?  http://i.imgur.com/JhaErcK.jpg
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:07:57 < cryptopsy> FreezingCold: ^
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:08:31 < FreezingCold> kinda looks like a bridge. Check it with your DMM
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:09:00 < cryptopsy> its like, 20x20x20cm
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:09:22 < FreezingCold> again, crack out the DMM
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:09:28 < FreezingCold> it'll answer all your questions to life ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:09:29 < cryptopsy> and then what?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:10:23 < cryptopsy> one more thing, it buzzes really loudly when first started
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:10:28 < cryptopsy> but then, whisper quiet buzzing
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T16:10:58 < FreezingCold> cryptopsy: you can check to see if they're diodes or not
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T16:11:13 < cryptopsy> what you want me to do ?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:14:54 < dhrosa> I've had a friend have a screwdriver shot accross the room by stupidly discharging a cap
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:15:05 < evilbetty> unfortunately i really nearly died from CO as a kid
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:15:06 < smeding> ooh, that sounds like a fun capacitor
2014-04.log:2014-04-28T17:15:23 < FreezingCold> JFK911: or have you?
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:15:25 < cryptopsy> i had a friend in highscool grab a MIG welder wire to try to cut it while it was on
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:15:26 < smeding> i've done that for opening up computer PSUs and never had a problem
2014-04.log-2014-04-28T17:15:47 < evilbetty> i remember my 386 gave shocks by touching the male mains plug
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:17:29 < LeelooMinai> gogool
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:17:35 < James_T> LeelooMinai: lolfail
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:17:50 < James_T> a google is a variety of penis
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:18:14 < FreezingCold> gdogg: you using a 5V RS232 or a standard RS232 converter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:18:19 < ohsix> it's a pun on googol ;D
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:18:21 < LeelooMinai> FOr some everything is a variety of penis
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:18:37 < ohsix> ^ supporting the patriarchy
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:18:37 < madist> thanks. didn't notice it earlier. 120mV on 12V and 50mV on 5V
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:18:39 < gdogg> FreezingCold: I don't have it on me, but I think a standard one, given that it uses standard rs232 cables
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:18:49 < FreezingCold> gdogg: yeah that's standard
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:19:06 < FreezingCold> gdogg: what devices do you use it with?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:19:19 < madist> my keyboard is like a forest of penises. each key is a little stubby penis.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:19:24 < gdogg> I use them for debugging android devices
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:19:29 < madist> i squash the penises down to communicate with you.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:19:39 < FreezingCold> gdogg: really? Since when does Android have DB9...?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:19:39 < gdogg> getting linux dmesg log
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:19:54 < gdogg> hahaha since never. I have an intermediate breakout board
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:04 < gdogg> but the breakout has db9
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:20:09 < FreezingCold> uh, why not use adb?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:19 < ohsix> think about that question
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:22 < gdogg> that requires the usb drivers up and running
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:30 < ohsix> if he could use logcat he probably would
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:41 < gdogg> I want dmesg logs
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:43 < ohsix> i know
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:20:45 < gdogg> I work below the application level
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:21:06 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:21:34  * FreezingCold checks his dmesg
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:21:40 < FreezingCold> wtf, why is EXT4 remounting itself all the time?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:22:04 < gdogg> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:22:08 < ohsix> is it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:22:25 < madist> perhaps your HDD is failing
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:22:29 < ohsix> it will only do that on an error unless it is being directed to do it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:22:37 < ohsix> once it goes ro it stays that way
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:22:45 < FreezingCold> does it do that every suspend?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:22:47 < FreezingCold> maybe that's it
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:22:54 < FreezingCold> madist: I'm thinking that might be it
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:23:03  * madist stabs FreezingCold for raising false alarms.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:06 < iSDP> i think i got 1 relay right
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:08 < R0b0t1> mmm failing hdds
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:08 < gdogg> no kidding
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:09 < ohsix> it shouldn't need to, but who knows what $randomdistro does
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:12 < R0b0t1> do you not have smartmontools
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:15 < gdogg> that's why `dmesg has time stamps :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:23:18 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yep
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:21 < ohsix> you should see suspend messages around it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:23:25 < iSDP> is this right? http://vvcap.net/db/eAPvsIVUlfoDm0y8Le2k.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:23:43 < FreezingCold> ohsix: [20140429:012333~]$ dmesg | tail -50 | sprunge
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:23:43 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/RBde
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:24:19 < R0b0t1> ss23: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shodan_%28website%29 I headdesked so hard I split the table in half.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:24:46 < ohsix> that is being done by laptop-mode-utils or the thing that runs hdparm on your distro
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:25:00 < ss23> It's a fairly bad article, but it loks reasonably 'correct'
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:25:23 < FreezingCold> ohsix: oh, so no worries?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:25:39 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you should probably stop it, but not strictly, no
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:25:42 < IanWizard-Cloud> Hyratel: ohsix: I'm thinking I may get this one: http://www.motiondynamics.com.au/12v-48v-dc-motor-controller-single-direction-75a-or-100a-with-case.html  It's a reasonable price, and seems nice enough.  Everything else is either much more expensive, or for lower voltage (RC stuff usually).
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:26:28 < ohsix> FreezingCold: background on commit= here https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/filesystems/ext4.txt
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:26:33 < Hyratel> IanWizard-Cloud, are you in Aus?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:27:44 < IanWizard-Cloud> No, but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it to me to wait.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:28:18 < Hyratel> you need to find the brand and model so you can source it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:28:31 < IanWizard-Cloud> I was going to.  There's already a nice lever setup going to the middle of the cart, I was going to attach it to that.
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:29:00 < ohsix> FreezingCold: uh i would stop that thing right now, it's opening a 10 minute window for fs corruption should thte power fail
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:29:05 < ohsix> brb
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:31:28 < FreezingCold> ohsix: oh, really?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:32:39 < R0b0t1> ss23: That's the problem. That site actually exist. Which means, there are things for that site to list.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:32:41 < R0b0t1> So.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:33:04 < ss23> R0b0t1: I don't get it o.o
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:33:24 < R0b0t1> peeple st00pid
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:33:33 < ss23> Agree!
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:33:53 < FreezingCold> ohsix: it seems to switch commit=0 right after
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:33:58 < FreezingCold> I don't see the 10 minute window
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:34:11 < FreezingCold> [184039.087982] EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered,commit=600
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:34:15 < FreezingCold> [184039.977580] EXT4-fs (dm-0): re-mounted. Opts: data=ordered,commit=0
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:34:22 < FreezingCold> that seems pretty instant
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:45:10 < ohsix> Duzz: believe it or not, some people think the best sound is colorerd by tubes and speaker elements they  originally heard the music on and stuff
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:45:19 < ohsix> Duzz: transparency isn't a goal and thus something you can't compare it to
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:45:24 < hjf> Duzz: did you notice that i deliberately split a loop there?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:45:37 < ohsix> FreezingCold: 600 seconds
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:45:41 < LeelooMinai> hjf: Make whatever plane you want and then paint the star ground will silk screen - both parties will be satisfied
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:45:49 < FreezingCold> ohsix: right, but see how it changes to 0 seconds right after?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T08:45:55 < FreezingCold> I dunno why it goes to 600 in the first place
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:46:10 < Duzz> hjf, to be honest I didnt look to closely into it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:46:22 < ohsix> replace /bin/mount with a script that calls mount and prints the parent process name
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T08:46:28 < ohsix> or use fatrace or something
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:01:25 < Duzz> I think there is an EEV blog video about how to use their filter if your not use to it
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:02:09 < FreezingCold> Duzz: it's weird, I know a guy who works in engineering management but never bothered to get his P.Eng
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:02:11 < Polesch> First of all, fuck digikey. Second, I am asking about household appliances and consumer electronics that might have some in them.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:02:21 < Polesch> You wouldn't order two caps from digikey.
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:02:36 < FreezingCold> You wouldn't download two caps from digikey.
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:02:37 < Duzz> FreezingCold, I was told it really depends on the industry, some care a lot less than others
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:03:34 < cluelessperson> I use JaMeco.com
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:04:35 < password2> make yer own
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:40:32 < Polesch> Yeah, but I'm not working on anything big, I just need +36V and -36V power supply.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:41:27 < FreezingCold> wtf, do people still use RS232 to connect to server terminals?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:41:34 < FreezingCold> I applied for a job and that was a requirement
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:41:54 < ohsix> what else would they connect with
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:41:55 < password2> what , that you bring your own rs232 adapter?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:42:11 < ohsix> you approximately 'never' have to do it, but intel boards have ipmi and shit so you can do most of them over ethernet
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:42:12 < archivist> FreezingCold, that would go to a concentrator then to a mainframe
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:42:17 < corecode> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:42:37 < Polesch> I already have some large caps, like a 220 µF 400V cap, but is that enough for filtering?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:42:43 < corecode> i wonder how much an old motorcycle will pay, in parts or materials
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:42:43 < FreezingCold> password2: Yeah. Not a problem since I have some, but still weird
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:42:53 < corecode> Polesch: filtering what?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:43:05 < Polesch> Ripple on a power supply
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:43:12 < corecode> what frequency, what current
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:51:30 < ohsix> corecode: 50hz is p. slow :<
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:51:41 < corecode> it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:51:45 < Triffid_Hunter> corecode: that's about right for 50Hz.. this is one of many reasons that switchmode is so popular- at 50kHz you only need 7uF ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:51:59 < FreezingCold> So for capturing VGA via USB, would a VGA -> RCA box and then a RCA capture card be the cheapest?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:21 < corecode> FreezingCold: what resolution?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:27 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: composite only does something like 800x480 resolution, it would look like shit
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:27 < FreezingCold> corecode: any.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:52:29 < corecode> what frequency
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:31 < FreezingCold> any
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:52:39 < corecode> 1x1px at 1Hz?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:45 < FreezingCold> at least 320x320 would be nice
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:52:50 < ohsix> that's not the 'composite' resolution
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:52:55 < FreezingCold> with over 5fps ideally
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:52:56 < ohsix> and there are lots of reasons why it is shit besides that
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:53:00 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: you'd need usb3 something or other with direct vga input.. what is it for? I'm fairly certain it would be massively simpler to use screen recording software on the source
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:53:01 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I know, I gave a random value
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:53:14 < ohsix> FreezingCold: what do you actually need to capture
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:19 < OoTLink> haha
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:20 < OoTLink> one of those days
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:20 < ohsix> just 'vga output' regardless?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:33 < OoTLink> I got a skype im from a lady I know from an MMO
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:53:47 < FreezingCold> ohsix: basically a DIY KVM for overnight work.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:48 < ohsix> no girls in internet
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:53:55 < OoTLink> I was kinda annoyed at her so I intentionally ignored it for a little bit so i didn't look desperate for attention
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:53:55 < ohsix> FreezingCold: o cuz they have those
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:04 < OoTLink> I just remembered about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:05 < OoTLink> 4 hours later XD
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:54:08 < ohsix> FreezingCold: ip kvms that you access with vnc that can do output capture
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:16 < ohsix> ipmi can do that too
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:18 < OoTLink> well not remembre, went to check skype if anyone was on
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:54:20 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I thought they were expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:21 < ohsix> in the chipset
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:23 < OoTLink> then saw the convo and was like haha nice
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:54:33 < ohsix> FreezingCold: well, expensive vs. bodging it all together?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:41 < corecode> 480Mbps ~ 1024x768, 16 bit, 30 fps
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:54:44 < FreezingCold> nothing wrong with a little diy :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:49 < OoTLink> I dislike that MMO so much I qui and hope I never go back xD
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:54:51 < FreezingCold> corecode: yeaahhhh uncompressed
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:54:58 < ohsix> then we're not talking about cost :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:55:06 < corecode> yes, if you want to compress, you need to do more on the usb side
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:55:14 < OoTLink> it feels like quitting smoking though
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T10:55:27 < FreezingCold> ohsix: also, I think I'll have to do some reverse tunneling cause most places have Nazi firewalls
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:55:59 < Polesch> Instead of a transformer with a center tap, could I use real ground?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:56:05 < ohsix> oh good, godwins law is a perfect reason to not keep searching for things
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T10:56:07 < corecode> Polesch: no
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:01:21 < ohsix> wut
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:01:25 < ohsix> ok give me a link to this thing
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:01:35 < LeelooMinai> It's like a groundhog day, only sadder
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:01:37 < FreezingCold> ohsix: cheapest commercial solution is like $200
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:01:37 < evilbetty> woop
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:01:56 < Polesch> It uses MJE15031 and MJE15030
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:02:36 < Polesch> And MJL1302A and MJL3281A
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:21:41 < ohsix> Engen: you can also do ac coupling to get a signal that is biased around some positive voltage to average out to zero, with bipolar swings
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:21:49 < Triffid_Hunter> Engen: remember, voltages are relative differences between two points! absolute voltage doesn't come into electronics at all, you need to be doing HV for that to matter
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:22:20 < FreezingCold> So do LED screens have three LEDs per pixel?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:22:31 < FreezingCold> for red green/blue and yellow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:22:37 < ohsix> 2 for blue typically
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:22:40 < ohsix> depends on the screen
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:22:54 < Engen> I can't thank you guys ever enough
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:22:57 < LeelooMinai> Engen: Anyways, my point is that the whole magic of op-amp circuits is not really due to them being anything special, but from using negative feedback to self-adjust them - maybe try to focus on that, and later all those op-amp circuits will be easier to understand
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:23:06 < ohsix> mikeselectricstuff took apart some LED signage and some old crt jumbotron ones
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:23:14 < FreezingCold> ohsix: so a total of... four?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:23:38 < ohsix> FreezingCold: no hard rule, but yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:23:41 < password2> or 3.5
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:23:44 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: last time I checked, "LED" screens are just a regular LCD that uses a strip of white LEDs for the backlight instead of a CCFL
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:23:45 < password2> :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:23:50 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: what you said would be way cooler
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:23:58 < password2> theres all sorts of creative wys todo it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:24:00 < Engen> yeah the relative difference between two points and in respect to other wires is pretty tricky
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:24:00 < ohsix> and that's what OLED displays are
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:31:42 < Engen> There aren't any examples where they multiply by u(t). u(t) can be either a current or voltage but in either case, we already have the equation for the decay of Vo
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:32:12 < Polesch> This is the DC power supply I've used for over a year now, still love it http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/0-32V-Adjustable-DC-Power-Supply-5A-160W-SMPS-/
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:32:21 < FreezingCold> Why does everyone in here always talk about SMPS?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:32:32 < ohsix> in what way
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:32:37 < LeelooMinai> Because beaky
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:32:40 < FreezingCold> ohsix: like it's always being mentioned
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:32:47 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: he's not even here, it's Polesch this time
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:32:57 < LeelooMinai> Maybe beaky infected him:)
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:33:01 < ohsix> Polesch was talking about a linear supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:11 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: because SMPS are ubiquitous and awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:33:13 < ohsix> we were telling him all the parts would be smaller if it was a switching supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:22 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: but it's not that exciting
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:28 < FreezingCold> it converts power
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:32 < FreezingCold> so what?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:34 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: perhaps you're in the wrong channel?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:33:38 < Engen> All good if nobody has a clue, I'll just talk to my teacher
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:33:43 < ohsix> FreezingCold: there's literally nothing that would fill the negative space, for most talk of supplies
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:33:50 < ohsix> Engen: we talk big but we don't know shit! :p
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:34:00 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: let's talk about FETs or something
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:34:00 < Triffid_Hunter> Engen: I'm fantastic with real electronics problems, but the bizarre rubbish that academia comes up with I always find baffling
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:34:05 < FreezingCold> that's more exciting
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:34:12 < LeelooMinai> I talk small, but know it all
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:34:23 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: IGBTs are nice.. seen the prius ones? as big as a postage stamp!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:34:39 < FreezingCold> What's Prius?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:34:53 < FreezingCold> I refuse to acknowledge they exist
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:34:57 < ohsix> PUNS
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:35:22 < ohsix> Triffid_Hunter: books, huh; fuck them
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:35:31 < ohsix> Triffid_Hunter: if there was a library of alexandria still i would burn it
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:36:02 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: it's an ecological disaster which was marketed as the latest green fad some years ago
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:36:07 < FreezingCold> meh, I'm bored
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:36:13 < FreezingCold> I think I'll watch porn again
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:36:14 < LeelooMinai> I would scan it first, hide the usb stick, then burn it and piss of people
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:36:37 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you can't make conversation happen, do something and ask about it
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:36:43 < ohsix> or generally ask something
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:36:47 < FreezingCold> ohsix: no, I mean bored with everything
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:36:49 < ohsix> or find more people to ask things
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:37:07 < ohsix> heh what does that have to do with switching supplies
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:37:08 < FreezingCold> I'm waiting for a few emails to reply back
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:37:11 < FreezingCold> oh nothing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:38:06 < ohsix> o ic
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:40:22 < ohsix> Engen: what's the step function in that context
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:41:39 < password2> volts
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:42:04 < FreezingCold> password2: I don't like Pi
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:42:13 < FreezingCold> not a fan of that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:42:17 < ldunn> what's wrong with pi ;(
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:42:28 < password2> he like tau
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:42:40 < ldunn> heh
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:42:55 < password2> which is more awesome
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:43:45 < MasterAccurate> http://secrc.lima-city.de/electronics/MagLiteLaser/
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:43:47 < FreezingCold> ldunn: It's an awkward number
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:44:03 < ldunn> in what sense?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:44:13 < password2> FreezingCold, did you se what 31^1/3 is?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:44:24 < password2> and what abour e?
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:44:55 < FreezingCold> ldunn: I don't like how it looks?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:45:03 < ldunn> oooooookay
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:45:04 < FreezingCold> I prefer multiples of two
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:45:14 < FreezingCold> 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, etc
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:45:31 < Polesch> ohsix, is this the type of SMPS you were talking about? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMPS500R-54V-dual-voltage-230V-SMPS-Power-Supply-PCBStuff-Connexelectronic-/131121132595?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e876db433
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:46:00 < password2> FreezingCold, whats 163/(ln163) then
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:00 < ohsix> that and the other one you posted, sure
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:46:06 < FreezingCold> Polesch: Are those very tiny screw terminals or is that very large?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:17 < ohsix> that's pretty compact even
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:22 < Triffid_Hunter> password2: 355/113 is closer :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:37 < Polesch> +- 54V, so a bit much, but looks great
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:40 < ohsix> 80 dollars is a bit but you'd be in for that on the capacitors on the lienar supply
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T11:46:44 < FreezingCold> Polesch: oh it's really tiny
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:46:58 < ohsix> voltages aren't super critical anyways
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:47:09 < password2> and not as nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T11:47:09 < password2> π−(9^2+19^2÷22)^(1÷4)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T13:30:45 < drac_boy> and what did you need for two again rahulan?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T13:30:55 < LeelooMinai> madist: Not on the one I have
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T13:31:04 < RahulAN> it is saying that no space left on device
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T13:31:24 < drac_boy> rahulan that still doesn't explain why you need more than one video?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T13:31:50 < RahulAN> I am working on a project where i need to stream 2 videos
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:14:58 < CoolBear> ZiNC: Any sensor?
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:15:03 < The_4th_Doctor> please refine your query
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:15:14 < Polesch> Temperature sensor!
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:15:27 < evilbetty> ZiNC: http://www.sprut.de/electronic/pic/projekte/usb4all/usb4all_en.html
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:15:30 < evilbetty> i saw that url yesterday
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:15:34 < evilbetty> it does quite some things
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:39:38 < anton02> can i use those to drive a 4A motor?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:40:33 < evilbetty> maybe
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:40:37 < FreezingCold> yay, first callback for a job
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:40:43 < FreezingCold> but it's some shitty local company
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:40:46 < evilbetty> power dissipation is much more important than current rating
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:40:48 < FreezingCold> printer ink refilling...
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:41:12 < evilbetty> if it comes to cooling and now blowing up your transistor that is
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2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:41:33 < MidnightCommando> FreezingCold: one day they'll trust you to load new paper :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:41:44 < anton02> still, 200mA is the transistors max rating so im pretty sure it wouldnt survive 4A
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:41:44 < R0b0t1> No you need a PhD for that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:42:23 < evilbetty> usuallly you reach max power dissipation before you reach max current anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:42:59 < anton02> in h-bridges, do all 4 transistors have the same load i guess is my question
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:43:06 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: that's more or less what I find
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:43:18 < FreezingCold> five bucks says this dude isn't going to offer me more than minimum wage, if that
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:43:23 < FreezingCold> it's the /owner/ who called
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T17:43:25 < FreezingCold> never a good sign
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:43:35 < evilbetty> i think only 2 transistors at a time have current going through, but im not sure
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T17:43:48 < evilbetty> if you open all 4 at same time (by a software mistake) your transistors blow
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:15 < evilbetty> next step is sending all your info to google :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:19 < user123321> I mean, already I think there are changes :D
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:20 < password2> i heard its just the UI , but don't quote me
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T20:36:25 < FreezingCold> yay, today is pretty good
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:31 < evilbetty> with a translate banner, to pretend like its to offer translations instead of collect your data
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:32 < Jan-> I bought subway with it at lunchtime
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T20:36:34 < FreezingCold> one of my friends is passing my resume onto his new employer
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:37 < Jan-> just waved my card near the machine and it went bleep
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:36:46 < user123321> Let me restart to apply the update to 29, brb :D
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:40:27 < Lope> R0b0t1: I can't remove Everything that covers the mobo on the bottom. it'll have no structural strength at all. gotta leave gaps.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:40:28 < evilbetty> bnecause hackers are scared of governments
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:40:34 < R0b0t1> Jan-: I think that's happened, actually... just end up disputing the charges.
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T20:40:43 < FreezingCold> password2: heh, I prefer Visio more than Dia
2014-04.log:2014-04-29T20:40:56 < FreezingCold> Microsoft did a better job for flowcharts
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2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:40:58 < R0b0t1> Lope: The mobo is the structure.
2014-04.log-2014-04-29T20:41:08 < evilbetty> i'm off
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:38:18 < steverrrrrrr> so, there's a wifi chip, but it's not a commonly available chip so noone has yet wrote the open source driver?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:38:33 < steverrrrrrr> in the router
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:38:39 < ryao> steverrrrrrr: Ask in #openwrt
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:38:45 < FreezingCold> steverrrrrrr: I don't understand why hardware creators don't open source all their drivers
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:38:51 < FreezingCold> it seems like it'd be good for their busienss
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:38:56 < steverrrrrrr> security?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:39:13 < ashes> you can get away with a lot more mistakes if no one knows about them
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:39:15 < ryao> FreezingCold: Greed
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:39:40 < FreezingCold> ryao: not really, you could sell more devices if your hardware worked better
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:39:42 < ryao> They want to put a value on stuff and claim it as intellectual property.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:39:45 < Melt_Down> anybody who can explain to my why i can't use 1 Potentiometer for 3 ssvr, but have tu use a triple?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:39:50 < FreezingCold> you're in the hardware business, not the software business
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:39:56 < ashes> try explaining this to a company vice president who knows nothing about software
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:40:00 < ryao> FreezingCold: No one said greed was logical
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:40:47 < FreezingCold> ashes: "We're going to trick those fuckers into buying own crap with a free candy truck."
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:40:49 < ryao> FreezingCold: I recently had a chat with a firm that wants to develop an extension to ZFS. They wanted it to be closed source.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:40:59 < FreezingCold> /s/own/our
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:41:05 < ashes> "we can allow the software community to maintain the driver"... but no one is actually in charge of it. this doesn't compute
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:41:10 < ryao> Their reason was that they needed IP to show to investors.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:42:21 < ryao> I used economic theories to explain why closed source development is bad.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:42:43 < ryao> I said it violated the nash equilibrium.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:42:59 < ashes> it's hippy talk
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:43:07 < FreezingCold> ashes: Look at Android and all the custom ROM hacks
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:43:16 < ryao> I also said it was consistent with Adam Smith's thinking.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:43:25 < steverrrrrrr> is ZFS open source?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:43:31 < FreezingCold> Think so
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:43:37 < ryao> steverrrrrrr: Open ZFS is.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:43:47 < ryao> Oracle's fork is not.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:43:49 < steverrrrrrr> i heard its not in linux because of licsensing issues
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:43:51 < FreezingCold> Probably with some weird Oracle license
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:00 < ryao> steverrrrrrr: That is not the reason.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:14 < ashes> zfs isn't in openbsd because of license issues... it's not bsd
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:17 < ryao> steverrrrrrr: None of the developers want it in Linux.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:44:18 < FreezingCold> I'm okay with Oracle's business model
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:26 < steverrrrrrr> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:44:29 < FreezingCold> ryao: they better hurry up on butter
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:29 < ryao> steverrrrrrr: Myself included.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:44:54 < ryao> If it were up to me, ext4, xfs and others would not be in Linux either.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:45:09 < steverrrrrrr> huh, why, do they complicate things?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:45:12 < FreezingCold> What's wrong with ext4?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:45:20 < FreezingCold> It's nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:45:35 < ashes> freebsd has gone sideways. from being forked from bsd, to free itself from license issues, now it sucks in any binary blob that they can get to run
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:45:54 < FreezingCold> Sony uses FreeBSD right?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:45:56 < ryao> FreezingCold: Many things on many levels, but the issue is that I do not think filesystems should be in Linus' tree beyond the VFS.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:46:18 < ashes> netbsd doesn't care anymore either
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:46:26 < ryao> ashes: FreeBSD does not really have blobs in the main tree. No more than Linux anyway.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:46:50 < FreezingCold> ryao: What's wrong with throwing them in Linus' tree?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:46:51 < ashes> ryao: not in the freebsd base, no, but they add support for blobs
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:47:04 < ryao> FreezingCold: Putting filesystems into Linus' tree means you need kernel updates to fix bugs.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:47:14 < FreezingCold> And?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:47:20 < FreezingCold> Kernel updates are good
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:47:28 < ryao> ashes: That is called loadable kernel module support.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:47:38 < ryao> FreezingCold: Not everyone can do them.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:47:42 < ashes> openbsd is the only operating system i know of that sticks up for free licenses
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:47:48 < ashes> and debian
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:47:57 < ryao> ashes: Gentoo?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:48:02 < FreezingCold> ryao: Why? You've got ksplice if you can't reboot
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:48:16 < ashes> ryao: isn't gentoo happy to add nvidia driver support?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T00:48:27 < ryao> FreezingCold: Rebooting is not the problem. Regresions in hardware drivers are.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:48:55 < ryao> ashes: It is packaged for people to use.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T00:49:30 < ryao> ashes: It also has the license clearly marked. Users need to edit a file to permit it to be installed.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T01:14:37 < ohsix> bbl
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T01:14:46 < The_Coolest> oh ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T01:16:02 < steverrrrrrr> is anyone familiar with portable immersion water heaters, ie beverage heater
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T01:16:36 < g0z> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T01:16:54 < steverrrrrrr> trying to understand the shock hazard, because ive heard people get shocked all the time
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T11:42:22 < Triffid_Hunter> superware: it's pretty trivial to read.. C would be init() { UCISR = 1<<USIWMO | 1<<USICSI } uint8_t spi_transfer(uint8_t send) { USIDR = send; USISR = 1<<USIOIF; while (USISR & (1<<USIOIF)); return USIDR; }
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T11:42:53 < Triffid_Hunter> something like that anyway
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T11:42:56 < evilbetty> :o
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T11:43:04 < evilbetty> hacker
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T11:43:16 < superware> yeah, thanks. but this is just sending, an SPI slave should first know when to start sending
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:42:30 < nights> ohsix: thanks ! take care
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:42:40 < evilbetty> instead of actually yploading every 100ms
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:42:43 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: What are you measuring anyway btw?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:42:51 < evilbetty> nothing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:08 < evilbetty> this is just a test :p
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:43:12 < FreezingCold> test for?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:17 -!- nx5_off is now known as nx5
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:22 < evilbetty> for doing http posts with an MCU
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:26 < evilbetty> and enc28j60
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:36 < nights> another question, anyone know how to record body sounds such as a heart beat with as little as possible of specific hardware
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:44 < Haxxa> Triffid_Hunter sure but really cost wise not viabl
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:43:55 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: budget?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:43:59 < nights> condenser mic im guessing would be good
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:44:13 < evilbetty> a stellaris launchpad in preorder, so $5, and an enc28j60, check ebay
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:44:19 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:44:26 < Triffid_Hunter> evilbetty: enc28j60 are shit, get the updated version
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:44:34 < evilbetty> no need
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:44:51 < evilbetty> they work fine here and they dont produce much feces
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:44:54 < Triffid_Hunter> evilbetty: enc424J600 or so
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:45:03 < evilbetty> thats for arduinohipsters :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:45:52 < speak> Aren't we more hipsters here, not wanting to use something as mainstream as Arduino?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:46:02 < FreezingCold> yeah fuck arduino
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:46:26 < evilbetty> woop i got a banggood coupon: 15% off for sexy pumps
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:46:26 < FreezingCold> speak: It honestly seems so hard to be mainstream hipster
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:46:31  * prippit gives Flea86 vodka
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:46:40 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I bought two dash cams a week or two ago from banggood
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:46:57 < evilbetty> i bought many things there
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:47:00 < Polesch> I can't for the life of me understand what's wrong here, I had 24V DC wall wart, it was just a transformer with a bridge rectifier board, pulled out the transformer because I needed some lower voltage AC. But I only get 1.6V AC out of it...
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:47:14 < evilbetty> $400+ in total
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T12:47:17 < FreezingCold> Polesch: Try putting a load on it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:47:29 < prippit> just throw it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T12:48:04 < corecode> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/EnglishAngoraRabbit.jpg
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:03:03 < prippit> i need another bong
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:03:07 < FreezingCold> alright, time to get cracking at this PIC32
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:03:18 < evilbetty> meh
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:03:35 < evilbetty> i need a $4.5 item but its $35 shipping
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:03:48 < FreezingCold> yay, got an email, I'm making a whole $15 this weekend
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:03:56 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:04:16 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: I'll be needing 20% of that as tax.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:04:27 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I'm not reporting the income :>
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:04:35 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: You just did.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:04:37 < evilbetty> :o
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:04:43 < evilbetty> criminal
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:04:45 < FreezingCold> i'm attending some psych test thing
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:04:46 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Gimme my 20%!
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:04:56 < evilbetty> you're lucky you dont live in belgium
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:04:58  * formulus wonders if userscripts.org being dead has anything to do with the suckiness of firefox 29
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:01 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I'm not even in the 20% tax bracket yet
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:05:14 < evilbetty> you're a bigger criminal for not paying tax on 15 euro rhan stabbing someone
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:14 < FreezingCold> formulus: I dunno if it's firefox, but it's gotta a lot slower for me
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:21 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: You missunderstood, this is 20% you give to me.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:29 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: come and collect it
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:39 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Bah, fine. You win.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:43 < FreezingCold> aww
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:05:47  * CoolBear procrastinates some more.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:05:51 < FreezingCold> I was hoping you'd fly over for your $3CAD
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:06:10 < CoolBear> Heh, that would take initiative.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:06:28 < FreezingCold> I don't even understand what they want me to do
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:06:39 < FreezingCold> apparently it's a test or something, but it's on a computer...
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:06:44 < FreezingCold> why can't i just do it online?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:06:52 < CoolBear> Psych test? Could be anything.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:06:59 < evilbetty> many people are complaining they cant fix their plane because they dont wanna pay $35 shipping on $4.5 tem
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:07:26 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Beware if they ask: "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:07:48 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: Answer "lol never stop"
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:07:49 < evilbetty> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:08:17 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: But honestly, beating your own wife is kinda dumb, it's like keying your own car...
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:08:22 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I totally agree
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:08:26 < FreezingCold> CK Loius right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:08:30 < nights> MEMS microphone seem to be the best
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:08:36 < nights> SpeedEvil
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:08:42 < nights> also found this
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:08:43 < nights> http://www.electroschematics.com/668/electronic-stethoscope/
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:08:57 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Jimmy Carr, but it totally sounds like something CK would say.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:09:06 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: ahh you're right, it was Carr
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:09:08 < FreezingCold> I remember now
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:09:48 < Caelum> where can I take a good electronics class, my community college doesn't seem to have anything
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:10:10 < FreezingCold> Caelum: Google.com
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:10:24 < FreezingCold> Or just ask CoolBear, LeelooMinai and theBear questions like I do
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:10:31 < CoolBear> Caelum: I like this site: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/index.html
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:07 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:09 < FreezingCold> "Juror Decision-Making lab"
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:12 < FreezingCold> that's what I'm doing
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:11:31 < Caelum> CoolBear: thank you
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:36 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: That could be anything :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:46 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: porno orgy?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:11:57 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: One could hope I guess.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:12:08 < FreezingCold> yeah that
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:12:13 < FreezingCold> *that'd be an okay career
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:12:20 < FreezingCold> though I think I'm too picky to be in porn
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:13:32 < evilbetty> and all this postponing orgasms pfft
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:13:46 < evilbetty> longer than 2 minutes is showing off anyway :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:13:52 < Miyu> o.o
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:14:25 < evilbetty> 45, that includes diner before right?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:14:29 < CoolBear> Heh
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:14:43 < FreezingCold> after an hour and a half is when my attention span goes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:14:45 < evilbetty> anyway
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:14:54 < FreezingCold> back to ##electronics though
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:15:01 < CoolBear> One kinda has to realise that not everything one sees on film is real.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:15:19 < Miyu> no way (o/
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:15:32 < Miyu> you mean Hollywood lied to me? :(
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:49:52 < Polesch> I have, but only once
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:50:33 < madist> in what ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:51:57 < Polesch> Oxygen concentrator :P
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:53:14 < FreezingCold> Polesch: yeah, I broke a cheap power charger after 3 minutes with my laptop
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T13:53:23 < FreezingCold> was rated for like 35W and I tried to pull 45W
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:53:52 < Miyu> oops~
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:53:55 < Miyu> no shutdown? :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T13:54:07 < JFK911> super china
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:10:32 < kizzap> hmmm... maybe my idea already exists...nvm then
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:10:50 < Polesch> These chargers are really made like fortresses, annoying having to bring in the powertools
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T14:11:25 < FreezingCold> blight: How big is the file you're trying to upload?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:24:46 < MasterAccurate> hmm I have to search some old circuits for diodes ^
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:24:49 < evilbetty> looks like all HP supplies hehe
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:24:59 < evilbetty> i'm sure mine was filled even more with white stuff
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T14:25:14 < FreezingCold> that's what she said
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T14:25:24 < FreezingCold> :>
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:25:30 < evilbetty> iuuw
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T14:25:38 < evilbetty> she should have kept it to herself
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:07:36 < CoolBear> This may or may not be a problem.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:07:57 < CoolBear> (In my case it was).
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:08:51 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:08:57 < FreezingCold> my PIC32 isn't being detected
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:09:04 < FreezingCold> VDD is going to +3.3V
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:09:12 < FreezingCold> VSS to GND
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:09:36 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: I don't know PIC very well, but does it have settings for external crystals?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:09:56 < CoolBear> (Which is somewhat common on AVR/STM32).
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:10:38 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I'm just trying to detect the chip, there shouldn't be any crystal needed
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:11:29 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: As I said, I don't know PIC very well, but if you set the fuses on an AVR to needing a crystal it'll be somewhat hard to get it to talk without one. (this may or may not apply on a PIC).
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:16:44 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I noticed I have PGED1, PGED2 and PGED3
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:17:54 < superware> Triffid_Hunter: hi, please see http://pastebin.com/M05Dhikz
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:18:36 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: "Just connect the programmer to whichever pair of PGEDx, PGECx lines that is accessible, and the MCLR line,
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:18:40 < CoolBear> and let the programmer do its work. The only restriction is that the PGED and PGEC lines belong to the same set.  The ICSP hardware interface will understand what is going on, and handle the Programming regardless of what previous programming might have been done."
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:18:51 < FreezingCold> yeah k so I've done that right
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:18:53 < superware> Triffid_Hunter: looks right? :|
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:19:30 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: "The ICSP hardware will also force the use of the internal RC oscillator while programming,such that any misconfigured oscillator settings or malfunctioning crystal may be corrected."
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:19:46 < CoolBear> So they do things better than Atmel at least.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:20:06 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I'm only using pins 1, 4 and 5 -> http://wordpress.codewrite.co.uk/pic/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/07/ProgramCircuit.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:20:29 < FreezingCold> And I've tied 19 to GND
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:21:11 < CoolBear> Power also seems handy
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:21:44 < CoolBear> (but this could be supplied othervice I suppose).
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:22:01 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I've tied pin 3 on the PICkit to GND and I've got an external power supply going to the chip
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:22:09 < FreezingCold> measured at 3.2744V exactly
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:22:16 < Leuthihi> lets say I need a 0.1µF capacitor for a circuit, does it matter if I use a metal film or a ceramic one?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:22:49 < CoolBear> Leuthihi: It depends on the circuit, but usually no.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:23:08 < CoolBear> Leuthihi: They have different characteristics.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:23:12 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: Do you think I need Vcap?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:23:51 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: No clue. Possibly. I'm betting datasheet will tell you.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:24:05 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: I don't see it mentioned. http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001168F.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:24:32 < FreezingCold> oh wait
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:24:41 < FreezingCold> "All AVDD and AVSS pins"
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:24:44 < FreezingCold> and VCAP
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:25:47 < evilbetty> :o
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:27:16 < FreezingCold> hmm, diagram calls for a 103
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:27:29 < FreezingCold> I only have a 102 and 104, which way is a a better idea?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:27:33 < JFK911> Bell 103?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:27:36 < CoolBear> Leuthihi: This chart looks handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capacitors-Overlapping-Applications.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:27:44 < FreezingCold> oops
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:27:45 < FreezingCold> never mind
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:27:46 < Leuthihi> CoolBear: Well, I basically want to stock up on some basic capacitors, so I took some circuits I find interesting and simply take parts that they need.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:27:59 < Leuthihi> CoolBear: thanks, I'll look into it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:28:04 < FreezingCold> I thought it was nF, it's actually uF
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:28:24 < evilbetty> 103 µF ?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:28:44 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: don't listen to me
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:28:57 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: If I had to choose I'd go for the bigger one, although in many cases it doesn't really matter that much, as long as something is there.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:29:00 < evilbetty> i thought all '103' notations were in^pF
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:29:18 < evilbetty> as in 10nF
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:29:24 < kfoltman> 10^3 pF
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:31:55 < evilbetty> that would be silly if that 10x notation is in pF
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:31:56 < JFK911> CoolBear: Woah you're just all about this today aren't you!  Now you take millifarads and express them as micros!!!
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:32:00 < CoolBear> JFK911: The 103 means 10 with 3 zeroes after it in pF.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:32:12 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:32:15 < FreezingCold> pwned
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:32:22 < FreezingCold>     Processor: MX250F128B (id 14D00053)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:32:25 < evilbetty> thats what i meant from the first time
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:32:31 < evilbetty> ah well
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:32:37 < evilbetty> silly hipsters :p
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:44:12 < Polesch> Do hobbyists ever go together in groups to buy a large amount of components, or is there rarely much of a price difference?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:44:25 < Polesch> Or just too rare that many need the same components?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:44:31 < FreezingCold> hmmm
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:44:34 < FreezingCold> so I've programmed it
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T15:44:37 < FreezingCold> but my program is broken
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:44:39 < CoolBear> While I am in favor of using nF, not everyone does so, Wima for example go from 6800pF to 0.01uF in their list: http://www.wima.com/EN/tpl_products_pcm25_overview.htm
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:45:21 < Polesch> I don't like how they list values at all
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T15:45:39 < Polesch> Like 4,700 µF is common, why not just write 4.7 mF, really?
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:03:25 < MasterAccurate> 400Volt
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:03:28 < MasterAccurate> minimum
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:03:38 < FreezingCold> I wonder why my code isn't running
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:03:41 < madist> use a microwave transformer. you can get 3 times that.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:03:43 < madist> easily.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:05:10 < JFK911> 1n4005 sorry
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:05:23 < MasterAccurate> 1n400x diodes I have enought ;)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:05:30 < MasterAccurate> need some with more current
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:05:41 < FreezingCold> OMG OMG OMG
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:05:44 < FreezingCold> LED turned on!
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:05:48 < CoolBear> \o/
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:06:21 < MasterAccurate> hmm have some BY399 but I need some 12 or 15V zener diodes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:06:22 < MasterAccurate> ^^
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:06:43 < MasterAccurate> so I will order the BYV29 or other diodes too
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:06:54 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: What are you doing? Joule-thief or something?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:07:10 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Oh, wait, the pic.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:07:27 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: (Sorry, short attention span coupled with very bad memory).
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:07:34 < anton02> what is the voltage drop across this diode? http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/1N4004.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:08:01 < CoolBear> anton02: Depends on current.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:09:15 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: Yeah. Huh weird, the I/O pins don't push much voltage
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:09:15 < anton02> 200mA
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:09:17 < CoolBear> anton02: Fairchild datasheet for 1n400x says 0.6 to 0.9ish from 0 to 1A
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:09:19 < FreezingCold> I'm getting 1.2V out of it
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:09:21 < FreezingCold> odd
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:09:44 < CoolBear> anton02: Says 0.8v typical.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:09:53 < CoolBear> anton02: http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/1N/1N4001.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:10:06 < anton02> thx
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:10:33 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: At what load?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:10:36 < madist> check out that sexy transformer: http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/220971293533_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:10:56 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: never mind, it's due to my incorrect clock settings
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:11:01 < madist> http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/web/350038684098_1_0_1/1000x1000.jpg
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:11:18 < CoolBear> MasterAccurate: hmm, that is nice.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:11:28 < CoolBear> madist: hmm, that is nice.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:11:40 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: So I've set my PLL divider to 12 and my multiplier to 24... That's working against each other, isn't it?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:11:48 < linux_probe> magnetron hv supply?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:12:07 < FreezingCold> System PLL Output Clock Divider (PLL Divide by 256)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:12:08 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Possibly. (sounds logical at least).
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:13:17 < superware> Triffid_Hunter?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:13:29 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: As I said, I have no clue about PICs, I do AVRs and STM32s.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:15:40 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: fair enough :)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:16:40 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: But yeah, your reasoning sounds logical.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:17:11 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: it's weird though, I have /three/ different PLL
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:17:20 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLIDIV = DIV_12        // PLL Input Divider (12x Divider)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:17:20 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLMUL = MUL_24         // PLL Multiplier (24x Multiplier)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:17:23 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLODIV = DIV_256       // System PLL Output Clock Divider (PLL Divide by 256)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:17:52 < FreezingCold> the internal osc is 8MHz
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:19:11 < FreezingCold> chip goes up to 30MHz IIRC
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:20:24 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: You have two PLLs, one system and one USB, each wihth a divider before and after it afaict.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:21:14 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: (Figure 8-1 in datasheet, page 96)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:22:06 < evilbetty> pragma woop
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:22:59 < Haxxa> You know that moment of troubleshooting a really painful problem which you finally get a solution too - I am there now :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:23:05 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: oh, so FPLLODIV is the only thing that matters for the system?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:23:12 < evilbetty> lol
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:23:29 < evilbetty> just saw a pic of an employee wearing a leopard motif bowtie
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:23:37 < evilbetty> i wonder if he's also wearing thongs like that
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:23:45 < evilbetty> not that i really <anna know
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:24:06 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: FPLLIDIV/PLLMULT/PLLODIV should, though I can't find FPLLIDIV just right away.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:24:36 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: yeah I'm ignoring UPLLIDIV for the moment
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:25:00 < FreezingCold> I don't get the difference between FPLLIDIV and FPLLODIV
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:25:19 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Though the PLLODIV is split off and both the input and the output gets out.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:27:19 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: They are on the input and output of the PLL.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:27:47 < FreezingCold> that kinda makes sense
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:27:55 < FreezingCold> so the output probably won't be used for blinking an LED
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:28:20 < CoolBear> This could be due to the PLL having a max freq input I suppose.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:28:45 < FreezingCold> for(unsigned int i; i < 100000000; i++)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:28:51 < FreezingCold> Is that too long or too short of a delay?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:29:07 < CoolBear> Depends on clockrate and clocks per instruction.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:29:16 < FreezingCold> #define SYS_FREQ     30000000L
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:29:23 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLIDIV = DIV_4         // PLL Input Divider (4x Divider)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:29:23 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLMUL = MUL_15         // PLL Multiplier (15x Multiplier)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:29:34 < CoolBear> Usually I do testing to find a fitting delay.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:29:45 < FreezingCold> That should make the clock 30MHz with the internal osc cause it's 8MHz
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:30:18 < CoolBear> Then you only need cycles per instruction and how many instructions the loop compiles to.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:30:37 < CoolBear> It's faster to just compile it with a number and see if that's too fast or slow.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:30:48 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: that's what I did and it's just stuck on
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:31:06 < CoolBear> Does the int overflow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:31:25 < CoolBear> (I'd personally use uint32
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:32:02 < CoolBear> As an unsigned int could be anything.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:32:18 < JFK911> Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:32:22 < FreezingCold> for(uint32_t i; i < 10000000; i++)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:32:24 < FreezingCold> Like that?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:32:41 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Yeah, depending on compiler it should work.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:32:53 < FreezingCold> It's gcc
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:32:58 < FreezingCold> LED still stuck on
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:32:59 < JFK911> im not sure if i actually set up those parameters with #pragma config
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:33:11 < JFK911> maybe that tells the software what should be going on
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:33:19 < evilbetty> i think compiler optimisation may completely remove that for loop
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:33:40 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I do have -O3 going
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:33:47 < evilbetty> and nothing in the for loop?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:33:47 < CoolBear> JFK911: You can plot a chart of crime vs lead in petrol ban, you might find a correlation, but it'd be somewhat hard to prove a causation.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:33:51 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: yeah
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:01 < evilbetty> try putting an inline ASM nop or so in your loop
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:34:16 < FreezingCold> er, what's that?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:20 < evilbetty> that may prevent compiler from optimisation as it doesnt know what to do with asm anyway
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:28 < JFK911> CoolBear: it's a real interesting idea.  since petrol was banned at different times in each country maybe we can investigate other data too
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:29 < evilbetty> an instruction doing nothing
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:40 < evilbetty> no operation i guess
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:34:52 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: What's an example?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:54 < evilbetty> but it does take a cycle
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:58 < MasterAccurate> Very Informative Stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jZrKB5KyM
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:34:59 < JFK911> gcc will show you the assembly it generates too
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:35:09 < JFK911> you can always look at it and see what's missing
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:35:14 < evilbetty> an example, no i dont do arduino, but google does
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:35:15 < JFK911> usually it gives the c inline as comments
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:35:21 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: volatile can also be useful.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:35:58 < CoolBear> JFK911: Well, it'd be an interesting chart, but you can't use it to prove anything conclusive.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:36:42 < FreezingCold> I think I'll just do:             LATBbits.LATB8 = 0;
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:36:42 < FreezingCold>             LATBbits.LATB8 = 1;
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:36:45 < FreezingCold> that should waste some cycles
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:36:56 < JFK911> don't you have any delay in your library?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:37:25 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: this is what I usually do: "for(volatile uint8_t i = 0; i != 100; ++i)"
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:37:42 < evilbetty> that may work too
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:38:11 < evilbetty> but empty for loops are generally dropped
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:38:16 < evilbetty> especially on O3
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:38:18 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Throw a "asm volatile ( "nop" )" in the loop as well and things are more useful.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:38:36 < CoolBear> (Under the assumption that the PIC has a nop).
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:38:56 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: LED is stuck off
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:16 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Too long a delay?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:18 < evilbetty> you sure?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:27 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: my eyes tell me yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:28 < evilbetty> 10 million is a lot, did you wait long enough?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:38 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Drop the delay to 1000 or so, if it stays on, put a scope on it.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:39 < FreezingCold> for(volatile uint8_t i = 0; i != 10; ++i)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:43 < FreezingCold> that's not 10 million
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:46 < MasterAccurate> lol they are taking the usa ^^ nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:47 < evilbetty> and 10 is too low
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:39:49 < FreezingCold> CoolBear: hold on, gotta get a batter
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:50 < evilbetty> thats 50% pwm
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:52 < evilbetty> invisible
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:39:59 < evilbetty> so led may look on at half brightness
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:40:04 < MasterAccurate> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugMmyBUKRy4
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:40:11 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: zippo coming out of it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:40:18 < evilbetty> wat
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:41:58 < CoolBear> That's one fault I haven't seen before. Is it zippo gas or lighters?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:42:12 < evilbetty> smoke :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:42:31 < evilbetty> dont they make lipos too
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:42:34 < FreezingCold> lemme try without -O3
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:42:36 < FreezingCold> nothing still
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:42:38 < evilbetty> hmm that may be zippy
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:42:48 < CoolBear> Zippos don't smoke as I recall... (Well, the one we filled with 95 oct petrol did...).
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:07 < evilbetty> no idea
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:19 < evilbetty> newzippos are for snobs, and old ones for white trash :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:33 < evilbetty> i use a normal BIC lighter from the newspaper store :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:35  * Miyu hi-paws CoolBear :D
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T16:43:42 < FreezingCold> k brb in five minutes, going to get something to check the frequency on this bugger
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:44 < CoolBear> Kitteh! \o/
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T16:43:59 < evilbetty> last time i had a dude in front of me buying a 100euro or so lighter
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:29:58 < madist> advantage of vertical is that there will be an air current in the pipe and better cooling.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:10 < madist> I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:12 < evilbetty> diagonally
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:30:17 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:30:22 < FreezingCold> got my LED blinking like a b0$$
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:27 < evilbetty> and the disadvantage that the wire on the bottom will heat up wire above it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:32 < madist> true.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:35 < g0z> emerse it in water for additional cooling
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:30:39 < evilbetty> FreezingCold: what was the solution,
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:42 < madist> that will reduce cooling efficiency.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:30:48 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: my timing was just fucky
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:52 < evilbetty> or make water flow through the center tube :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:30:55 < evilbetty> see, we told you
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:31:02 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: but your solutions were wrong :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:31:03 < evilbetty> you were going too fast or too slow:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:31:11 < evilbetty> no, my solution is never wrong
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:31:13 < cluelessperson> hm
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:31:16 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: http://paste.debian.net/96570/
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:31:18 < evilbetty> it was just not suiting your particular case:p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:31:20 < FreezingCold> excuse the ugly loops
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:31:23 < g0z> how about your particulates?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:32:04 < evilbetty> ok
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:32:08 < madist> why are we talking about digestive system function again ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:32:19 < evilbetty> resetting the same value on GPIO doesnt seem very clean tho
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:32:32 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: It's not supposed to be clean
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:32:38 < FreezingCold> it's supposed to work and make me happy :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:32:57 < FreezingCold> I'm using an old school pickit 2 to program this fucker as well :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:33:12 < evilbetty> a pickit to program your arduino? :o
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:33:17 < evilbetty> fancy
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:33:23 < FreezingCold> it's not a fucking arduino
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:33:42 < evilbetty> but a pic, seriously, where did you find it? in the 90s ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:33:44 < evilbetty> ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:33:56 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: It's a 32-bit chip and uses gcc
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:34:04 < evilbetty> oh those things
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:34:39 < FreezingCold> http://www.microchip.com/wwwproducts/Devices.aspx?dDocName=en557425
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:34:39 < evilbetty> gcc is from the 80s tho
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:34:48 < madist> -.-
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:34:49 < evilbetty> hehe i'm not that interested in pics :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:34:57 < evilbetty> unless its boob pics
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:07 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I dare you to say that in ##c or ##c++
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:35:09 < anton02> what do you connect to each of the four pins here?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:35:15 < anton02> http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD1901.pdf
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:24 < FreezingCold> well this is a paradox
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:31 < FreezingCold> I want to measure the voltage of my 9V battery
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:35:31 < anton02> input is input for LED?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:35:34 < R0b0t1> neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeroooooooom
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:34 < FreezingCold> but it's in my DDM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:37 < FreezingCold> *DMM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:35:42 < FreezingCold> can I just stick probes into itself...?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:36:02 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Sure.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:36:04 < R0b0t1> ... yes.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:36:29 < FreezingCold> lol measuring itself seemed like an odd thing to do
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:37:03 < anton02> this datasheet is so difficult to read http://www.jaycar.com.au/products_uploaded/ZD1901.pdf
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:37:12 < evilbetty> but it is
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:37:15 < madist> you don't know how to read
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:37:20 < FreezingCold> it doesn't owrk
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:37:24 < evilbetty> gcc was first released in 87 if im not mistaken
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:37:28 < FreezingCold> It must be shorting something out
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:37:42 < anton02> in the input box it mentions stuff relevant to the transistor and not the LED
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:37:48 < FreezingCold> it freees
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:38:01 < evilbetty> dont measure itself
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:38:05 < evilbetty> it created black holes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:38:10 < evilbetty> creates
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:38:11 < FreezingCold> lol it must
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:38:16 < CoolBear> FreezingCold: Try reversing the probes.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:38:20 < FreezingCold> I did
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:38:39 < evilbetty> those pins dont fit the banana plugs very well when reversing the probes
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:38:58 < FreezingCold> it's /inside/ the DMM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:39:03 < FreezingCold> it's a pain to reach
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:39:39 < anton02> maybe the left side is connected to the right side of a photo interrupter
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:39:58 < anton02> i dont see why though
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:40:46 < FreezingCold> damn gcc and it's optimization
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:43:48 < evilbetty> DX opened a EU WH i think
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:44:07 < FreezingCold> Why not in the USA?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:44:41 < JFK911> i think they have one too
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:45:37 < FreezingCold> oh?
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:45:48 < FreezingCold> I haven't ordered from them in awhile I guess
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:45:55 < JFK911> yeah arent some things in some express scheme
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:46:04 < JFK911> same i am not eager to buy there
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:52:50 < JFK911> madist http://www.ebay.com/itm/131163389595
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:52:57 < madist> can you buy 9.4GHz magnetrons online ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:53:23 < evilbetty> ovens or tubes? :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:53:27 < FreezingCold> I feel pretty proud of myself :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:53:37 < FreezingCold> Using an old school pickit2 to program the newer chips
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:53:38 < evilbetty> someone has to be proud of you :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:53:40 < FreezingCold> take that microchip!
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:53:43 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: hey, my mom is!
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:53:44 < R0b0t1> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah firefox updated
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:53:48 < evilbetty> i'm sure she is
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:53:50  * R0b0t1 stab stab stab stab
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:54:02 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Is it just me or did the new releases in the past week get really slow?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:54:24 < evilbetty> you need a good cpu to calculate the rounded tab shape
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:54:32  * FreezingCold checks
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:54:35 < FreezingCold> oh I'm on 28.0
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:54:40 < FreezingCold> so it's not 29.0
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:54:47 < evilbetty> :o and yet you try to fit in with the cool kids
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:54:59 < madist> don't upgrade to 29
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:01 < FreezingCold> wait wait!
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:03 < FreezingCold> i'm updating
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:06 < madist> it has no redeeming qualities
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:20 < FreezingCold> whatever, I keep my package cache for a long time anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:22 < FreezingCold> I can always go back
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:24  * FreezingCold installs
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:33 < evilbetty> every time you'll look  at a ffow window you'll get fcopnfused and think you're using chrome:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:41 < JFK911> is it a good idea to buy bark stop dog shock collar from DX
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:51 < FreezingCold> oh great
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:51 < evilbetty> for SM
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:55 < FreezingCold> an error message already
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:57 < JFK911> you have to wonder why someone would buy that there
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:55:57 < FreezingCold> that was fucking fast
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:55:59 < admin__> hello
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:56:10 < evilbetty> anti bark collars meh
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:56:29 < evilbetty> if your kid is annoying, do you try to explain him why its bad, or do you just throw 220v at it ?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:56:32 < admin__> are anyone know any method to buy this books with pdf format  (i want this books Computer Organization & Architecture: Themes and Variations  1 edition and  The Essentials of Computer Organization and Architecture 4 edition)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:56:34 < FreezingCold> wtf firefox
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:56:41 < FreezingCold> why did you ruin my custom tab setup :(
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:56:51 < evilbetty> if you raise your dog properly you dont need shocking collars
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:57:11 < evilbetty> my neighbours dog barks all day long
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:59:37 < evilbetty> i'm pretty sure if a dog eats poop its because it doesn't get proper food
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T17:59:39 < JFK911> on my skin without fur it feels like a pinch
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:59:53 < FreezingCold> I'm actually okay with the new Firefox release. https://i.imgur.com/aetc1AQ.png
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T17:59:57 < FreezingCold> Looks decent
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:00:08 < FreezingCold> They finally got rid of the stupid firefox logo in the left top corner
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:00:18 < CoolBear> JFK911: If you buy a chinese crappy one you might get one with some omph if you are lucky.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:00:18 < evilbetty> kids who eat their boogers also have a lack of vitamins usually
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:00:42 < JFK911> CoolBear: yes the negative feedback i saw was 'danger'
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:09 < evilbetty> i used to have a neighbour who gave the plastic from around the cheese to his dog
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:16 < evilbetty> and then he complained that the dog killed animals
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:29 < JFK911> how are his children doing
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:01:31 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: just you
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:36 < evilbetty> if you're greedy dont get a dog and you wont have these issues
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:39 < evilbetty> he doesnt have kids luckily
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:40 < R0b0t1> my performance has been pretty constant, or increasing
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:44 < evilbetty> oh no wait he does
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:51 < evilbetty> she's like 35 or so now
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:01:53 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I think it's just me hating slow computers more
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:01:56 < R0b0t1> they seem to have fixed some minor issues with js responsiveness
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:03 < FreezingCold> I'm only using a tiny i3 dual core
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:10 < evilbetty> and one of the most unpleasant arrogant persons i know :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:14 < FreezingCold> with dat 12GB of RAM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:16 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:38 < R0b0t1> >i3
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:40 < R0b0t1> >12gb ram
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:45 < evilbetty> mine only has 6
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:53 < evilbetty> i was out of money after buying a cpu and gfx card
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:55 < FreezingCold> [20140430:110223~]$ free -h
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:55 < FreezingCold>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:55 < FreezingCold> Mem:          9.6G       8.4G       1.2G       785M       449M       5.7G
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:02:55 < FreezingCold> -/+ buffers/cache:       2.2G       7.4G
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:02:59 < evilbetty> don't do that
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:08 < FreezingCold> it was four lines =/
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:08 < madist> so the motherboard super i/o chip has got 3 8 bit GPIO ports
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:10 < R0b0t1> my desktop has 16gb
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:14 < R0b0t1> this laptop has 8gb
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:17 < evilbetty> noone cares for your ram epenis, and certainly not if it means posting several lines of messed up text
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:18 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: you think I need more RAM for i3?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:28 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: no, you need more processor for your RAM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:39 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: which slot do i use
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:47 < R0b0t1> lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:50 < FreezingCold> where is the next process slot
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:03:55 < FreezingCold> i want quad dual processing
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:03:56 < evilbetty> what you need are better pc usage habbits
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:05 < evilbetty> quad dual woop
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:09 < R0b0t1> evilbetty: that's what the RAM makes up for
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:10 < R0b0t1> except
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:15 < R0b0t1> i3
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:04:27 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: To be serious, the reason I have so much RAM is for virtualbox
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:28 < evilbetty> and?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:04:42 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I can run two Windows 7 VMs in the background without crashing
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:04:53 < evilbetty> 2 whole VMs woop
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:05:07 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I'll be able to 1-up you soon
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:05:08 < FreezingCold> and give them a solid 3GB of RAM
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:05:12 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: oh?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:05:15 < evilbetty> nothing like a 20 core opteron for VMing :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:05:24 < R0b0t1> well, on my desktop I was running like 4 vms as a test
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:05:27 < R0b0t1> I could probably run more
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:05:57 < R0b0t1> but seeing as this laptop is utter shit I bought a new one (turning on the gfx card overheats it, so like ???)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:06:15 < FreezingCold> I grabbed my laptop today and actually took off a part of the display panel casing
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:06:17 < FreezingCold> thanks acer!@
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:06:22 < FreezingCold> luckily it snapped back on
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:06:38 < JFK911> well you pick it up by the screen enough times it will fall off
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:07:39 < FreezingCold> I like the sexiness of firefox 29.0
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:07:41 < FreezingCold> cool shit
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:07:54 < evilbetty> my worklaptop is an i5
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:07:58 < evilbetty> but my work image is boated
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:08:04 < evilbetty> so its slow anyway
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:08:10 < FreezingCold> How long does USB and DVI work anyway?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:08:11 < evilbetty> bloated
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:08:21 < evilbetty> 3 minutes
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:08:21 < FreezingCold> I'm thinking of drilling a hole in the wall and putting my desktop in another room
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:08:29 < FreezingCold> that way it wouldn't be so damn noisy
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:08:38 < evilbetty> dvi plenty, usb dunno
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:08:52 < evilbetty> i do 1080p over a 5 meter hdmi cable
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:09:07 < FreezingCold> yeah I need about 5 meters probably
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:09:53 < R0b0t1> evilbetty: Yeah I convinced them to get new laptops here
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:09:56 < R0b0t1> refurbished ones, but still
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:03 < R0b0t1> they were using some old xp ones
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:17 < R0b0t1> made sure they got i5s
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:17 < evilbetty> becore eco crisis we got new laptop every 3 years
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:25 < evilbetty> now i think they expect us to do 4 years
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:10:35 < FreezingCold> I've used my laptop for nearly 4 years I think
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:37 < evilbetty> and then you can buy it for 75 euro if you want
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:10:37 < FreezingCold> probably 3
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:10:59 < evilbetty> my i5 screen and keyb have never been used i got a docking station, so i hope its still gonna be worth 75 eur
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:11:10 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: What do you think of doing BYOD and then using a company VPS for work?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:16 < evilbetty> it should, but 4 years is quite a bit longer thzn 3
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:23 < R0b0t1> yeah
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:29 < evilbetty> wat?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:38 < R0b0t1> well if they buy the "work" laptops I think they could handle 4 years
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:11:39 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: What part are you confused by?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:50 < R0b0t1> as long as people aren't playing catch with them
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:11:53 < evilbetty> anyway my first one, a p mobile 1.6 is in my closet with an uptime of more than 500 days :p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:03 < R0b0t1> BYOD = bring your own device
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:12:07 < R0b0t1> I think that's what he's doing FreezingCold
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:11 < evilbetty> oh, all that fancy managercrap
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:14 < evilbetty> im against byod
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:16 < R0b0t1> running his work computer's disk as a vm?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:21 < evilbetty> mainly because that also means buy your own device
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:24 < R0b0t1> well as a policy it's unfair
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:12:30 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: sort of
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:36 < evilbetty> here for example work gives out iphone or samsung 4
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:44 < evilbetty> if you want a 5 you need to pay a bit more of your own pocket
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:47 < evilbetty> that part is fine
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:12:52 < evilbetty> but it gets completely locked down
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:12:53 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: a VPS could be anything, but yeah a hosted VM
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:13:02 < evilbetty> so some managers pay extra for an iphone 5 that they cant use
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:13:10 < evilbetty> but status is worth a lot of money to some
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:13:16 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: that way Kristy from HR with her ten year old HP laptop will still be able to work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:13:28 < evilbetty> i wouldnt give a single euro for a workrelated device that gets locked down for personal use
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:13:28 < FreezingCold> (sorry for the sexism there)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:13:39 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: You'd lock down the VPS
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:13:45 < FreezingCold> and not the BYOD
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:13:48 < evilbetty> please stick to your pic
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:13:51 < evilbetty> ;)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:13:53 < FreezingCold> =(
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:14:18 < evilbetty> no seriously
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:14:38 < evilbetty> why the hell are you mentioning vpses etc while everyone wants webapps and interfaces
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:15:02 < evilbetty> in my opinion they should just pay smartphone managers less
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:16:17 < jacekowski> why people even bother with BYOD?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:16:24 < evilbetty> status
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:16:35 < jacekowski> why i would use my own devices for work
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:16:39 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: I'm unemployed, but I would assume to save company costs
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:16:43 < jacekowski> it's employers problem to provide me with the tools
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:16:51 < FreezingCold> jacekowski: I'd like to think some people don't hate work
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:16:57 < evilbetty> exactly, status
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:17:10 < evilbetty> work provides you with proper tools, but they're not cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:17:23 < jacekowski> i don't hate work, but in my line of work tools are expensive
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:17:25 < evilbetty> they'd razther use a fancy cool device that is not very productive
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:17:26 < FreezingCold> I think status at work is more about how you use those tools
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:17:49 < evilbetty> i remember when BBs were cool
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:17:56 < evilbetty> with the red blinking email led on your belt
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:18:03 < FreezingCold> the belt was never cool
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:18:05 < FreezingCold> never
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:18:19 < evilbetty> everyone needed a belt thing just to show status, more blinking led = more mail = more important
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:18:37 < evilbetty> managers are not people like you and me :p their brain works differently
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:19:28 < FreezingCold> since we're bitching about random things, I hate when "normal" people give me flack for using a shell
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:19:31 < FreezingCold> "omg stop showing off"
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:19:51 < evilbetty> i bet you were
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:19:59 < FreezingCold> fuck off, I'm not going to open a full blown gui just to copy paste a file
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:20:24 < FreezingCold> usually it's the screen peakers who comment the most
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:20:49 < evilbetty> when you say work, do you mean college? :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:21:25 < FreezingCold> I wasn't speaking about work when I was mentioning using a terminal
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:21:46 < evilbetty> you sound so bro :p you must be from a newer generation than me :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:22:28 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: don't be hypocritical, you use fucking irrsi
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:22:44 < evilbetty> and?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:22:53 -!- alesan [~alesan@12.111.86.11] has joined ##electronics
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:22:55 < alesan> hi
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:06 < petus> alesan: hi
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:23:07 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: Means you love terminals
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:14 < alesan> do you guys know a method to make water "harder"? The pone I have at home it's too soft for my application
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:14  * Miyu uses either mIRC on Windows or LimeChat on OS X
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:15 < Miyu> :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:39 < Miyu> alesan: add limestone to it. Just like in the tapwater here :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:23:44 < evilbetty> no i dont love terminals
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:23:57 < FreezingCold> [11:23:28] -evilbetty- VERSION Bro IRC nigga v0.1
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:23:59 < FreezingCold> very nice
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:24:01 < evilbetty> but i have no choice
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:24:11 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I use hexchat
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:24:11 < petus> terminal is very good :-)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:24:16 < evilbetty> irc ports are blocked
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:24:19 < FreezingCold> alesan: freeze it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:24:25 < evilbetty> anyway smoek
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:24:27 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: Try SSL
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:28:18 < grantsmith> alesan, you can get gypsum from a brew supply store
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:28:35 < alesan> grantsmith, explain?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:28:54 < petus> eStore TI has sale MSP430 with 15% off :-)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:28:59 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: So I have had to go back to windows cli recently.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:00 < grantsmith> alesan, or something called "burton salts". These up the calcium levels in the water
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:01 < alesan> are you saying brewing requires a specific hardness of the water?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:29:16 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: PowerShell is pretty nice, but like, every damn program pretty-prints some table or other
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:17 < R0b0t1> no
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:18 < R0b0t1> pls stahp
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:21 < grantsmith> aleson, for some beer types, yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:27 < admin__> are anyone know any method to buy this books with pdf format  (i want this books Computer Organization & Architecture: Themes and Variations  1 edition and  The Essentials of Computer Organization and Architecture 4 edition)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:29:59 < SYNNACK> I are not know. many books.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:30:04 < FreezingCold> admin__: what's the serial number?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:30:15 < grantsmith> http://www.amazon.com/Burton-Water-Salts-1-lb/dp/B0064OGFXW
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:30:22 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah the output of stuff like ipconfig is insane
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:30:54 < admin__> ISBN-13: 978-1284045611
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:30:55 < grantsmith> alesan, calcium ions are what determine water hardness
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:31:35 < grantsmith> http://www.midwestsupplies.com/gypsum-1-lb.html?gdftrk=gdfV24959_a_7c1306_a_7c6184_a_7c7580&gclid=CJqM-O7DiL4CFYlhfgodJUwArQ
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:31:45 < alesan> grantsmith, yes, for my dough, I'd like to have 150/200 ppm
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:31:56 < admin__> FreezingCold:
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:32:23 < alesan> but my water here has only 10 to 60 ppm according to the water report from the city
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:32:31 < grantsmith> evilbetty, that is a risky way to make beer :)
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:32:51 < evilbetty> its been done for decades tho
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:32:51 < admin__> for 2 book `s   ISBN-13: 978-1284045611  and  ISBN-13: 978-1111987046
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:32:58 < admin__> FreezingCold:
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:33:10 < grantsmith> true
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:33:35 < FreezingCold> admin__: google it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:34:35 < R0b0t1> evilbetty: Europeans have their panties in a twist about stuff like that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:38:58 < grantsmith> lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:39:15 < evilbetty> im gonna get wasted on vodka redbull in a few days
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:39:24 < evilbetty> i'm invited for a 4 day weekend for my bday :p
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:39:37 < admin__> FreezingCold:  but just i find papers
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:39:38 < grantsmith> ah, happy birthday
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:39:46 < evilbetty> but i'm mainly gonna be antisocial and fly RC planes:p
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:39:48 < evilbetty> haha tnx
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:41:36 < evilbetty> vodka redbull gets you drunk at proper speeds
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:41:50 < evilbetty> beer ruins your stomach before you're even drunk
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:41:51 < CoolBear> nathan7: Sure, now you have a bunch of angry idiots, better hope for some more than just the beer-fire superpower.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:41:57 < admin__> FreezingCold:  but just i find papers
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:41:59 < grantsmith> it also dehydrates your brain much faster
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:42:09 < evilbetty> i usually have a stomach full of beer and gas long before i'm drunk
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:42:16 < FreezingCold> admin__: what's in it for me if I find your books?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:42:28 < grantsmith> thats why god invented farting
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:42:45 < evilbetty> there's always the possibility to go to the dark side and look for illegal means to get a digital copy
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:42:50 < evilbetty> but i'm not supporting that
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:43:33 < hjf> for a filter, is it the same to use 2 1uf caps in parallel rather than 1 2uF?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:43:44 < evilbetty> yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:43:48 < nathan7> CoolBear: nah
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:43:52 < FreezingCold> admin__: PM me all you want, my question is still the same
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:43:52 < nathan7> CoolBear: it makes for a cool party trick
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T18:43:54 < FreezingCold> admin__: what's in it for me if I find your books?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:44:02 < nathan7> CoolBear: hand me a beer, I go "nope" *whoosh*
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T18:44:06 < evilbetty> pm, you so lucky
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:46:53 < Astaelan> cluelessperson: lol, I didn't mean to discourage you, sorry you didn't believe me though.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:47:07 < Astaelan> Disheartening when you think you have a good idea and it's shot to shit, I know all too well lol
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:47:08 < nofxx> fahadash, try with something >40v
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T21:47:08  * FreezingCold is stuck on hold
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T21:47:12 < FreezingCold> this is boring
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:47:16 < davidc__> cluelessperson: (printing a mask is hard because you need something that will cure on the PCB without smearing or running, but _not_ cure while its in your printer nozzles)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:47:24 < davidc__> cluelessperson: but lets say you master it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T21:47:27 < cluelessperson> Astaelan, I feel people have not done the work to achieve or realize other possible methods
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:31:53 < Astaelan> y'all wanna make some real coin, start making mods for consoles, not mod chips perse, but things like the XIM. Which takes keyboard/mouse input over USB and translates it to XBox remote input so gamers can use mouse and keyboard on their consoles.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:32:08 < Polesch> Or a 3281A
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:32:28 < Astaelan> The guy who made the XIM, couldn't get them made fast enough, $150 a pop, and he was making at least $100 profit on each. And he was getting them made monthly in batches of 9000+ units.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:32:32 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: And avoid being copied, how?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:32:39 < CoolBear> Those are MJL21193/MJL21194
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:32:44 < Astaelan> It doesn't matter. Let people copy you. Everyone does.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:32:54 < Astaelan> The goal is to make it, produce it, and market it. Marketing matters more.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:34:07 < Astaelan> In fact, I opened my XIM to see what chips he was using. STM32F1 and a TUSB2046 :P
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:34:11 < CoolBear> Polesch: Well, the breadboard isn't really optimal for this purpose, too high currents really. But it works surprisingly well(perfectly actually).
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:34:15 < ShadowJK> Most things profitable aren't really difficult or innovative at all
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:34:22 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: What did he do for the casing?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:34:27 < ShadowJK> it's about seeing a gap in the market and exploiting it
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:34:34 < Polesch> CoolBear, do you know how much current the circuit is drawing?
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:34:41 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: A small ABS enclosure I believe. I can show you a picture.
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:34:56 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: sure, I'm bored as hell on hold
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:00 < Astaelan> http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/xim-edge-adapter.jpg
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:03 < FreezingCold> 20 minutes woot woot
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:15 < FreezingCold> oh that looks pretty custom lol
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:18 < FreezingCold> pretty penny
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:21 < Astaelan> Not really.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:28 < Polesch> And the DC voltage after rectification?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:30 < Astaelan> I would venture to guess each enclosure at cost, was about $5.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:39 < FreezingCold> sure, after the $10k deposit
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:47 < FreezingCold> getting molds made isn't cheap
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:52 < Astaelan> Right, the first units he did wasn't exactly hot shit.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:56 < ShadowJK> I was going to guess $20K tooling cost :)
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:56 < FreezingCold> you gotta be willing to risk
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:35:57 < FreezingCold> ahhhh
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:35:59 < Astaelan> I think the first 900 units that went out, were without enclosures.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:36:03 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:36:04 < FreezingCold> that's right
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:36:05 < Astaelan> And then he sent them enclosures later.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:36:05 < CoolBear> Polesch: Probably around 4A or so, probably a bit more when the caps charge.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:36:32 < Astaelan> So, you know, just gotta be economical about it
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:41:01 < Astaelan> It's become an indirect problem too
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:41:06 < Polesch> I bought some chemicals you see, customs reported it to the police, police ordered the shipment stopped, sent it to analysis, opened a criminal case, interrogated me, then said it was fine, case closed, got it in the mail the day after.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:41:11 < Astaelan> I ordered my reprap from mixshop which is in Canada
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:41:16 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: customs has nearly lost stuff for me
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:41:22 < FreezingCold> once it took literally two months to clear customs
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:41:27 < Astaelan> And after 3 weeks lead time, I'm told it's AT LEAST another week because of them having troubles getting electronics (from China I have no doubt)
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2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:41:45 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: that's the position I"m in right now. It's been 45 days since it landed in customs hands.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:41:47 < Astaelan> To the day.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:41:53 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:42:04 < FreezingCold> I think they just leave it on a shelf
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:42:13 < Astaelan> And 2 months since it was ordered. It took DX about a week to get it out the door, and another week for it to land in customs.
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:42:19 < Astaelan> Now it's stuck there for 45 days. I'd sure like to know why.
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:42:27 < FreezingCold> and two months later are like "yeah, I don't care anymore. *clears without looking at*"
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:42:35 < Astaelan> At this point, I'm going to tell DX to refund my entire order, and keep the shit that came.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:42:47 < Astaelan> Sending out another order doesn't solve anything.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:43:01 < Polesch> DX is very hit and miss
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:48:14 < Polesch> No 78xx though, I would expect to find at least one
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:51:03 < SpeedEvil> melwyn: yes.
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:51:39 < SpeedEvil> melwyn: As a hack, you could also slow down the slew rate
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:52:04 < FreezingCold> sabotender: If you find out, let me know
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:52:22 < melwyn> SpeedEvil, "slew rate" is that the speed of turning the servo?
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:52:31 < SpeedEvil> melwyn: yes
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:52:49 < SpeedEvil> melwyn: Instead of using PWM to say 'go all the way clockwise' - you slowly move it
2014-04.log:2014-04-30T22:52:56 < sabotender> FreezingCold: maybe #diycnc
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2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:53:37 < melwyn> SpeedEvil, good point, because the time it takes does not matter at all. the squirrels will wait for the nut to come out :)
2014-04.log-2014-04-30T22:54:07 < sabotender> i am sad. like really bummed out after learning that the cnc router i had my heart set on did not include ballscrews
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T00:32:27 < FreezingCold> hmm, any useful addons I should get?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T00:32:38 < FreezingCold> I have Adblock Plus, HTTPS Everywhere and Shumway
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:08:37 < smeding> haha wrongplanet
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:08:41 < smeding> pretty much yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:08:44 < FreezingCold> Wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:08:49 < FreezingCold> So my PLL is 17x
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:08:56 < smeding> ohsix: we have an importer in .nl
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:08:58 < LS7Battler> PLL for what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:09:02 < JFK911> we could have had the tip not seated properly, wrong tip, heater pushed back into the handle, who knows?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:09:02 < FreezingCold> LS7Battler: internal osc
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:09:09 < FreezingCold> and my osc is running at 8MHz
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:09:12 < LS7Battler> which internal osciallator?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:09:14 < JFK911> i wasn't the equipment keeper so i didn't try to fix it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:09:16 < LS7Battler> *oscillator?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:09:22 < FreezingCold> ...does that mean my chip is going at 136MHz...?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:09:33 < FreezingCold> LS7Battler: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001168F.pdf <- internal one on this puppy
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:09:34 < LS7Battler> FreezingCold what are you using?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:10:04 < smeding> LS7Battler: he's talking about something else
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:10:05 < smeding> seems like
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:10:22 < ohsix> FreezingCold: did you switch to the pll as a clock source after it locked?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:10:38 < LS7Battler> Yes the block diagram on page 96 has provided a bit of background
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:10:42 < FreezingCold> ohsix: yeah as I change the values my LED speeds up or slows down
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:10:47 < LS7Battler> what's the accuracy on an internal RC oscillator?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:10:52 < LS7Battler> not that good I'd have thought
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:11:09 < ohsix> it's pretty good, better than 1% or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:11:18 < LS7Battler> that's not bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:11:19 < FreezingCold> there's no way this chip is running at >100MHz
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:11:29 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLIDIV = DIV_1
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:11:32 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLMUL = MUL_17
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:11:36 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FPLLODIV = DIV_1
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:11:36 < ohsix> enough for you able to calibrate it to .1% or something with a 6 bit register (don't know about this particular device, though)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:11:50 < LS7Battler> I guess as you're not outputting logic to drive an LCD display or something the timing isn't that critical
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:12:00 < FreezingCold> LS7Battler: just flipping one PIN at the moment
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:12:02 < FreezingCold> but that's impressive
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:12:10 < LS7Battler> high to low?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:12:12 < LS7Battler> wow
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:12:13 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:12:18 < LS7Battler> I guess that's impressive
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:12:21 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:12:23 < LS7Battler> it's a start anyway :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:12:27 < FreezingCold> but I'd expect the chip to crash
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:12:41 < Phosie> Can somebody identify a component please? The square on the left board, bottom center. http://brej.org/gdb2/bush2.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:13:04 < LS7Battler> transformer?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:13:08 < LS7Battler> bottom left?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:18 < R0b0t1> Okay do you have a spare grand?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:28 < Toneloc> *triax
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:31 < sexyboy> i'd get something rather relatively cheaper
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:35:34 < FreezingCold> So I don't own a scope
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:36 < ohsix> The_Coolest: looks fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:43 < sexyboy> just a first kit to play with and learn about
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:35:45 < FreezingCold> How can I measure 136MHz? =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:48 < The_Coolest> ohsix :o
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:49 < ohsix> The_Coolest: what goes in the top left of the first image? is that space important?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:49 < R0b0t1> In other news, my pogo pins arrived.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:56 < R0b0t1> So sproingy.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:35:56 < evilbetty> :o
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:00 < Toneloc> Jan- ah ok, I'm working in broadcast now - so those things mean something to me now :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:36:01 < JFK911> FreezingCold: long i++ ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:11 < ohsix> The_Coolest: where the holes are but no traces or ground pour
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:36:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: hardware timer?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:17 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: O, sorry, it was your board then? :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:22 < The_Coolest> ohsix there's a daughter board right above that spot
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:25 < sexyboy> okay, i suppose i'll aske later
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:31 < sexyboy> ask*
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:36 < The_Coolest> so I can only use the bottom with smd parts,
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:36:41 < JFK911> FreezingCold: wheres that datasheet
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:54 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai this is mine, yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:36:55 < The_Coolest> :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:01 < Toneloc> did/do you work in broadcast Jan- ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:37:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It's the same thing I already showed you, you're probably tired of it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:14 < ohsix> The_Coolest: it will be cheaper to make it as compact as possible, but i don't see any huge problems or anything
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:37:15 < FreezingCold> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001168F.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:17 < JFK911> i never looked at any pic datasheet from you or otherwise
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:19 < LS7Battler> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28ro9i8&s=8#.U2F7DvldWDA
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:22 < LS7Battler> what do you think guys
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:30 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: Ok, then I assume it's that big because it has to fit the old one in size and mounting?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:37:33 < LS7Battler> a far from complete bench power supply :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:37:37 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It looks like I'm overclocking it from 30MHz to 136MHz
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:37:41 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i dont know anything about this chip
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:37:49 < JFK911> FreezingCold: im pretty sure that wont work.  if it's running you arent doing that.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:06 < The_Coolest> ohsix it needs to go into this case: http://www.tnt-audio.com/jpg/sda1000_internal.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:09 < ohsix> JFK911: i asked if he switched to the pll as a clock source, no response
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:29 < ohsix> The_Coolest: neat
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:37 < JFK911> ohsix i think we need to frame it as what did you do with bit 4 MCUPLLPENISPUMP register
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:38:43 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah it's running, which is why I'm confused. If I pump it past 136MHz, it doesn't work
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:44 < JFK911> or whatever it actually is
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:45 < LS7Battler> PENISPUMP?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:38:47 < LS7Battler> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:39:22 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: thanks a lot
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:39:24 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai where?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:39:35 < ohsix> The_Coolest: what is u3?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:39:36 < JFK911> FreezingCold: “PIC32 Family Reference Manual”,  you got this book?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:39:48 < johntramp> hi   when working with bluetooth le, is the gatt table stored on the bluetooth module (bluegigga ble113) or is it on the host mcu?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:39:48 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I should yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:39:55 < FreezingCold> JFK911: and my bad, the device is rated for 40MHz I tihnk
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:39:57 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you must have it open
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:39:58 < FreezingCold> not 30MHz
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:01 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: but i was rarher looking for a complete set of parts i could assemble
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:06 < The_Coolest> ohsix I'll be removing the connectors on the back, only leave the input RCA
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:13 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: but something belowe a grant
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:40:13 < JFK911> FreezingCold: without this book you will never figure it out
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:14 < R0b0t1> sexyboy: Yes. The complete sets are like a grand.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:22 < sexyboy> s/grant/grand
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:23 < R0b0t1> sexyboy: It doesn't get less cheaper if you buy your own parts.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:40:52 < The_Coolest> AD5207
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:41:01 < LS7Battler> any feedback on the attached? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=28ro9i8&s=8#.U2F7DvldWDA
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:41:06 < The_Coolest> this is only 1 half of the amp
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:41:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: are you writing a value to OSCCON?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:41:21 < ohsix> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:41:27 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: well, in theory, i'd like it to walk and be able to do other moves like silly dancing and stuff like that
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:41:30 < FreezingCold> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/50001686G.pdf
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:41:51 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Is there an example project for the board you have?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:02 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: Well, for example, the path from J2 to the via to the left top of C9 - I would just go to the left side. Things like that
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:42:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Yeah I've got a blinking LED and everything going
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:42:04 < FreezingCold> in C++
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:42:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: this is a given example?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:23 < LS7Battler> I can make an LED blink with some transistors, resistors and capacitors
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:26 < JFK911> or what you managed to write?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:30 < LS7Battler> no need for your fancy Microcontrollers :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:31 < LeelooMinai> LS7Battler: Lol, i wrote that I find your routing weird by accident, but this still stands looking at that picture:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:42:35 < FreezingCold> JFK911: mostly given example, the blinking was added by me
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:46 < LS7Battler> hahha LeeloomMinai
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:47 < R0b0t1> sexyboy: Okay well as far as kits go, here's one: https://secure.robotshop.com/en/robophilo-humanoid-robot-kit.html
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:52 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai hm. well that is a power trace
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:42:59 < R0b0t1> sexyboy: They added some so I guess there's a few sub-$1000 ones
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:43:03 < JFK911> FreezingCold: so the best thing to do is to get an example project and remove all the code except the init
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:13 < R0b0t1> But most are ~$1000
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:43:27 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's an empty template already
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:28 < LS7Battler> LeelooMinai a temporary measure which will be recitified when I get a day to finish it off :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:36 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: Yes, so why make it longer than it should be?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:54 < ohsix> should be
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:56 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: thanks, this looks good enough i suppose
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:43:59 < The_Coolest> it links to components on the bottom layer, LeelooMinai
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:08 < ohsix> why should it be shorter or any particular length over what he has now?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:44:12 < JFK911> FreezingCold: oh.  Do you have a debugger?  Can you stop the blinking LED and examine the OSCCON, OSCTUN registers?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:26 < Jan-> I love the name of this website
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:28 < LS7Battler> This channel is like Nerd central,
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:29 < Jan-> letsmakerobots.com :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:30 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: Is it really a power trace? It dissapears in one via at the top
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:36 < ohsix> i love mosfets
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:39 < Jan-> LS7Battler: what'd you expect
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:44:39 < FreezingCold> JFK911: No debugging. It's a PICKIT2 and I haven't set up eclipse
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:44:53 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: will it work with arduino?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:45:01 < JFK911> FreezingCold: OK your first project should be hd44780 lcd driver, so you can print them out
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:02 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai it's a negative rail going to a makeshift regulator
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:10 < LS7Battler> Everyone is discussing frickin' PIC32s and can't configure the internal PLL right to turn an LED on or off, better off with an astable multivibrator in my opinion :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:17 < LS7Battler> :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:21 < sexyboy> R0b0t1: ah it has one built im
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:22 < sexyboy> in
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:45:26 < FreezingCold> JFK911: fun idea
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:35 < sexyboy> i was hoping i could use the yun with it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:45:36 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai http://img.techpowerup.org/140430/Capture1265.png
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:46:27 < ohsix> if he would go to the left why didn't he
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:47:21 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai it should be just a few milliamps
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:47:24 < JFK911> FreezingCold: this microchip website sucks. the reference manual seems to be a separate pdf for each chapter.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:47:31 < The_Coolest> but more vias is no problem to add
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:47:46 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Are you writing to any special function registers?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:47:55 < koolatron1> people still use PICs?  *ducks* :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:47:58 < LeelooMinai> The_Coolest: It's a small thing, but in a more dense board making a lot of small adjustments like that will generate better layout.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:23 < ss23> Be careful, Jan- sometimes spits out hot oil at threats
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:23 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai it isn't very dense I'm aware
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:23 < ss23> :O
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:49:25 < FreezingCold> JFK911: http://paste.debian.net/96678/
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:37 < Jan-> ss23: well yes, but he's generally a good 'bot
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:43 < Jan-> all IRC bots are made to a similar design
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:49:50 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what is "#pragma config" doing
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:51 < ss23> XD
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:49:53 < Jan-> spherical brass body with prominent rivets, optional paint, usually green
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:02 < Jan-> two arms on scissor-action extending mounts
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:50:03 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Setting the config registers
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:11 < Jan-> big googly lenses on top for seeing.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:24 < Jan-> they're super cute :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:50:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: this is how you set them in this platform?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:29 < ohsix> these googlies, they do nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:50:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:38 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai>> http://i.imgur.com/vbUl1ms.png  http://i.imgur.com/7Qz1Jd8.png :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:50:42 < sexyboy> nanyways
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:51:07 < JFK911> FreezingCold: this is strange to me, but ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:51:17 < Jan-> http://www.pwlawrence.com/temp_art/robot_sketch01.jpg I have this filed under "probably R0b0t1"
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:51:23  * R0b0t1 plays with his sproingy pins
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:51:24 < koolatron1> The_Coolest: what is that from, kicad?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:52:25 < Jan-> R0b0t1: Aww don't worry
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:52:26 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai :P it's my digital electronic load board
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:52:26 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: man I need a scope :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:52:28 < Jan-> you're still cute
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:52:34 < The_Coolest> 5x5cm
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:52:34  * Jan- gives R0b0t1's casing a buff
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:53:09 < koolatron1> FreezingCold: saleae's new Logics can do analog now, they look super neat
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:53:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: these dont line up with register names, but you should still look in the reference manual to learn what these parts actually do
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:53:49 < cutesquirrels> ^peter^, shorting base/emitter doesn't seem to have any effect. by "transistor may be short circuit" you mean as in "broken"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:54:32 < ^peter^> cutesquirrels  yes it may not be an ok transistor
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:54:51 < cutesquirrels> ok. good to know. I'll have to harvest another one then :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:54:58 < FreezingCold> well fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:55:04 < FreezingCold> my DMM seems to be breaking down
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:55:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: wait these are "configuration bits"
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:55:08 < ^peter^> What voltage are you using ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:55:30 < JFK911> FreezingCold: im sure you still have to set SFR's in your program
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:55:52 < cutesquirrels> ^peter^, 5v c/e, 2.5v b/e (but hadn't connected the latter yet)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:56:24 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you probably aren't using teh pll as a clock, just check what your clock selection registers are configured to
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:56:25 < cutesquirrels> the transistors datasheet says c/e maximum is 80v
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:57:05 < JFK911> FreezingCold: default settings are shown in reference manual, section 6, starting page 5
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:58:12 < ^peter^> cutesquirrels  yes sounds ok, but 2.5 B-E will be through a resistor, as B-E will never be above 1 volt.    put 2.5 volts solidly B-E will burn it out.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:58:26 < JFK911> FreezingCold: see - bit 14-12 COSC<2:0>: Current Oscillator Selection bits
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:58:44 < FreezingCold> ohsix: when I change the PLL, I can see the speed of my LED change
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:58:51 < FreezingCold> so I'm changing something clock related
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:59:23 < cutesquirrels> ^peter^, I put 120k before B-E
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T01:59:29 < ohsix> FreezingCold: is the pll connected to a prescaler or divider to drive the LED? it doesn't have to be related to the rate instructions are being ran through
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:59:55 < ^peter^> cutesquirrels  good .   try another one then.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T01:59:57 < ohsix> you might use the clock for usb or something and have the core clock still be 8mhz for example
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:00:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what you are setting with those pragmas is shown in the datasheet, 26.1
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:00:40 < FreezingCold> ohsix: well the clock is gonna change how many instructions are run per second
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:00:48 < FreezingCold> and my blinking LED just wastes clock cycles
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:00:56 < FreezingCold> so faster LED = more clocky
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:00:58 < voxadam> I'm looking at an IGBT from Fairchild but the data sheet (http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/FG/FGPF4536.pdf) has me a bit confused. The collector to emitter voltage is 360 V and the pulsed collector current is 220 A. To me that means the device can handle up to 360 volts @ 220 amps but that seems awful high 72000 watts. What am I reading incorrectly?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:01:26 < FreezingCold> man I should have bought a Fluke -.-
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:01:48 < R0b0t1> No, you mean, you should have tricked someone into buying you a fluke
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:02:01 < voxadam> FreezingCold: They're bulletproof. I love mine.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:02:17 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: my UNI-T is dying after two years
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:02:31 < voxadam> My Fluke 87 will probably out live me.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:03:46 < FreezingCold> oh wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:03:52 < FreezingCold> I think the clock of my chip might be crashing it lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:04:00 < FreezingCold> wait that doesn't mater sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:04:02 < FreezingCold> never mind
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:04:11 < JFK911> do you have a xtal connected
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:04:21 < FreezingCold> nope
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:04:27 < JFK911> >_<
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:04:35 < JFK911> so what do you think the rc clock is doing
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:04:38 < cutesquirrels> ^peter^, found another one, works as expected :) thanks for helping me confirm I'm not crazy...
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:04:46 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Oddly enough it's an RC internal
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:04:53 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the datasheet is confusing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:05:47 < JFK911> so thats trying to be some free running 8MHz?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T02:06:27 < Jan-> I think I'm going to have to go to bed :/
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T02:07:24 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Forget about pll for now, turn off dividers, accept 8MHz and see if you can flash LED using hardware timer
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T04:31:21 < blockh34d> to what end though?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T04:31:34 < blockh34d> what good is any of this? stats class?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T04:32:15 < berndj-blackout> i just googled "datasheet vcc filetype:pdf" and got just over 2 million hits, first page is 9 datasheets + 1 appnote
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T04:32:34 < berndj-blackout> no stats classes here. boredom maybe? nostalgia?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T04:32:52 < blockh34d> disectional analysis of the downfall of man?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T13:39:25 < SpeedEvil> madis_: While true if heated very slowly - if you heat it rapidly, you can get somewhat damp wood exceeding 100C.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T13:39:33 < SpeedEvil> Especially on the surface
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:14:48 < madis_> chris_99: ^
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:15:32 < chris_99> mm i've heard of that one too
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:16:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It would be easier and more popular to hack things like oil rigs and power plants
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:17:29 < JFK911> FreezingCold: I think that most people enjoy oil rigs and power plants and that everyone would be against you
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:17:47 < FreezingCold> JFK911: well, isn't it the same deal with traffic lights?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:17:52 < FreezingCold> both are terrorism and not cool
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:18:25 < memesys> this channel have some interest chats
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:18:35 < madis_> So now everything is Terrorism ? I can't wait for the day when farting in an elevator will be considered Terrorism.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:18:58 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it would be hilarious if all the town's intersections only permitted left turns, but that's not possible
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:19:10 < FreezingCold> JFK911: lol, that actually would be awesome
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:19:24 < FreezingCold> btw, you can already force lights to be green without any real "hacking"
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:19:30 < JFK911> FreezingCold: more hilarious i think than if someone started removing nuts and bolts from a pylon holding up a transmission line which serves your home
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:19:47 < JFK911> sometimes.  some are configured to turn red if they belive an emergency vehicle is approaching.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:20:12 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It's an IR pulse. They can be encrypted, but that adds cost
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:20:13 < JFK911> others have separate lamps that light up, telling everyone in the intersection that "a fire truck is coming through"
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:20:37 < JFK911> FreezingCold: it's more like a whitelist than cryptography.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:21:19 < p0g0> then there is the occasion when two or more emergency vehicles signal the light to turn in their favor, and collide, expecting that the light was in their favor...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:21:49 < FreezingCold> JFK911: just back to the traffic light thing, any decent system should be electronically setup so that two greens can't be on at the same time
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:22:10 < FreezingCold> because there's no logical reason for that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:22:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: some of the controllers monitor for this.  If they see that opposing greens are powered they will shutdown and flash.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:22:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:22:41 < JFK911> it's like another computer watches the outputs
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:23:00 < kizzap> lights are all controlled by PLCs.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:23:19 < JFK911> aren't they specialized
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:23:23 < FreezingCold> kizzap: speaking of PLCs, I should fire up RSLogix today and finish setting it up
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:23:26 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I think so
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:23:28 < JFK911> nowadays they talk to each other
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:23:38 < FreezingCold> PLCs seem like a waste of money for something so common and basic
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:24:21 < JFK911> some of the ones near my house have been upgraded, they replaced the controllers, switched to cameras for car detection and now theyve got yagi antennas pointed at each other
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:24:30 < kizzap> JFK, nowadays the local PLC  (in that box at every intersection) controls all the lights, but can be monitored or controlled by a remote master
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:25:01 < JFK911> kizzap: i wouldnt call it a generic plc.  they seem to be specialized semaphore controllers
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:25:05 < kizzap> fun fact: most light systems include a current monitor, that allows techs to see if any of the lights have either blown or are about to blow.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:25:30 < FreezingCold> yeah, that sounds right
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:25:38 < JFK911> the neighboring town has some fiber optic network connecting all the traffic signal controls
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:25:51 < FreezingCold> do they share it at least?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:26:01 < kizzap> so? that is for monitoring/remote contol.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:26:05 < JFK911> i think they bullied it out of one of the telcos in exchange for permission to build plant
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T14:26:11 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:26:14 < kizzap> the local PLC controls that set of lights.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T14:26:40 < JFK911> kizzap: that town also made a big deal out of retiming the lights and introducing some adaptive programming
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:26:36 < anton02> where do diodes go?> http://imgur.com/I4bouyC
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:48:29 < vegetablesalad73> kizzap, at least i think so, will 2x check that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:50:57 < FreezingCold> Hmm, I don't understand how this oscillator works
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:52:24 < kizzap> link FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:53:00 < vegetablesalad73> YES! got it working
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:53:16 < FreezingCold> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/60001168F.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:53:25 < vegetablesalad73> Went with 13.5 V, click was a lot stronger, and now it switches
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:53:32 < FreezingCold> kizzap: I'm getting 32MHz as my clock out
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:53:48 < FreezingCold> kizzap: MUL set to 17
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:53:51 < FreezingCold> dividers at 1 and 1
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:56:15 < FreezingCold> I'm measuring the clock at pin 10
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:56:30 < FreezingCold> which is OSC0/O
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:56:31 < anton02> vegetablesalad73: well thats swtrange considering
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:56:45 < anton02> vegetablesalad73: "must operate" is at 75%
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:57:28 < anton02> vegetablesalad73: i guess your battery is a bit flat5
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:58:00 < kizzap> anton/vegetablesalad73: I am more thinking it might be a 24V relay.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T15:58:24 < kizzap> FreezingCold, what is your master clock?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:59:12 < anton02> 10.5 is 75% of 24
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T15:59:49 < kizzap> anton Must on != trigger
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:00:31 < FreezingCold> kizzap: Internal RC clock is 8MHz
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:00:45 < archivist> approx
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:00:56 < FreezingCold> kizzap: I'm getting a /4 somewhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:01:27 < kizzap> MUL at 17?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:01:33 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:01:38 < FreezingCold> both divs are at /1 to keep it simple
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:02:01 < kizzap> well it isnt a straight /4...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:02:41 < FreezingCold> uh, 8MHz / 1 (IDIV) * 17 (MUL) / 1 (ODIV) = 136MHz
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:02:48 < FreezingCold> 136MHz / 4 = 34 MHz
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:03:22 < kizzap> <FreezingCold> kizzap: I'm getting 32MHz as my clock out
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:03:36 < FreezingCold> Sorry, that was a slip of the keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:03:42 < kizzap> ah kk.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:03:47 < FreezingCold> 32MHz is a number I see more often in life, my brain tends to go there
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:03:53 < FreezingCold> but yeah it's really 34.152MHz
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:04:17 < archivist> the RC osc is an approximate frequency
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:04:34 < FreezingCold> archivist: I know. It's just the /4 I'm not seeing
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:04:55 < archivist> they show an FRCDIV
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:05:23 < archivist> default is 2
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:05:57 < FreezingCold> ah nice. Still missing /2
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:06:35 < archivist> page 97 of the pdf
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:08:35 < kizzap> i suspect COSC.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:09:43 < kizzap> in COSC: 111 = Internal Fast RC (FRC) Oscillator divided by FRCDIV<2:0> bits (OSCCON<26:24>)
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:09:49 < FreezingCold> archivist: I'm looking through my config bits
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:10:07 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/XWgc
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:10:12 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FNOSC = FRCPLL           // Oscillator Selection Bits (Fast RC Osc with PLL)
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:10:40 < archivist> PIC is always entertaining, learning all teh bits and options
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:11:08 < kizzap> FRCDIV is already at div 2, which also affects COSC. Try change the FRCDIV and it might work.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:12:00 < FreezingCold> FRCDIV isn't a config setting in their compiler =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:12:44 < kizzap> part of the OSCCON: OSCILLATOR CONTROL REGISTER
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:12:49 < FreezingCold> apparently I can't use the PLL if I use FRCDIV
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:12:56 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FNOSC = FRCDIV // Oscillator Selection Bits (Fast RC Osc w/Div-by-N (FRCDIV))
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:12:58 < FreezingCold> or
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:13:07 < FreezingCold> #pragma config FNOSC = FRCPLL           // Oscillator Selection Bits (Fast RC Osc with PLL)
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:13:13 < archivist> some bits are set for via programmer
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:13:43 < FreezingCold> still though, the default is /2, not /4
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:15:04 < kizzap> page 98: COSC if you are using 111 as the mode, the clock is divided by 2 again
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:15:11 < FreezingCold> Nope, I was wrong
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:15:20 < FreezingCold> the default is /4
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:15:31 < JFK911> FreezingCold: READ THE REFERENCE MANUAL SECTION 6
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:15:48 < JFK911> you have to write to registers in addition to the configuration bits
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:15:48 < FreezingCold> JFK911: diagram shows /2?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:15:54 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:16:03 < madist> do USB hubs require drivers ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:16:09 < JFK911> root hub driver
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:16:34 < faLUCE> hello, please look at that: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/external_power.html  . at the "#option 2" paragraph it says "Another option is to cut the red wire within your USB cable. Caution should be used to prevent the red wire from shorting to the metal shield."  . I just make a cut on the usb cable, but I don't see any metal shield... what is the metal shield indicated by the previous link?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:16:55 < FreezingCold> JFK911: ...section 6 of what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:17:32 < madist> faLUCE: to get to the red wire you didn't have to go through some metal foil or metal braid ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:17:50 < JFK911> FreezingCold: the pic32 reference manual
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:18:11 < JFK911> FreezingCold: remember last night i asked you if you had the reference manual, and you said no and i told you that you MUST have it open
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:18:20 < JFK911> you will not achieve success unless you read it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:18:22 < madist> real men don't read manuals
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:18:24 < faLUCE> madist: I don't see any metal foil or braid inside the cable
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:39:59 < Hyratel1> faLUCE, tell me, why would you cut up a USB cable, which you could then use nowhere else, instead of cutting a single trace on a PCB that you can then fix with a dot of solder?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:41:14 < FreezingCold> JFK911: found the problem more or less, Microchip hasn't bothered adding a way of changing that config bit with their compiler yet
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:41:16 < JFK911> you're not very creative if you can't imagine how you might use half a usb cable
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:41:26 < JFK911> FreezingCold: im not so sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:41:27 < faLUCE> Hyratel1: 1) because I'm not good in soldering 2) because I have many of these unused usb cables 3) because switching from a cable to another one is faster than soldering and cutting
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:41:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it writes it over any value I try to manually set
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:41:41 < FreezingCold> I tried OSCCONbits.FRCDIV = 0b000; and nope
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:41:42 < JFK911> maybe your settings are not sane.  it might have sanity checks
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:42:15 < JFK911> grep your whole project (includes too) for OSCCON
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:42:36 < JFK911> if i were you i would accept 8 MHz for now until i learned how to use it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:43:08 < Hyratel1> faLUCE, 3) then you can attach a slider siwtch to the jumper
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:44:05 < faLUCE> Hyratel1: ok, then let's ask in a different way: is it safer/unsafer/the-same   if I choose to use the modified usb cable instead of cutting and soldering?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:14 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah, it was just for the hell of it :) I'm running at 34MHz without any problems
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:44:18 < JFK911> Hyratel1: half a usb cable, plus a spring from a ball point pen, is a fantastic way to light a blunt when you lost your lighter.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:26 < FreezingCold> It's an overclock from the rated 30MHz already
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:33 < FreezingCold> I'm getting some 50MHz rated chips later too
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:35 < JFK911> FreezingCold: ok i believe that runs
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:48 < JFK911> FreezingCold: now see if you can use the hardware timer
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T16:44:48 < FreezingCold> probably bump it up to 64MHz
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:44:49 < Hyratel1> cutting the USB cable there are more ways to go wrong
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:45:00 < Hyratel1> you are performing many more cut processes
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T16:45:00 < faLUCE> Hyratel1: why?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T19:14:27 < csrss> Does anyone know a good 3.3V to 5V bidirectional level shifter that can operate up to 10MHz?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T19:14:38 < Hfuy> Ah. Perhaps I could modify a solid-state relay!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:15:50 < madist> WTF
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:17:39 < Polesch> The metal is literally dissolving for each use
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:20:24 < madist> that is not how a soldering iron should look
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:20:50 < Polesch> No shit :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:20:51 < JFK911> Polesch: lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:56:10 < FreezingCold> So.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:56:14 < FreezingCold> Weird issue with my DMM
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:56:25 < FreezingCold> If I leave it on and it goes into sleep mode, when I turn it back on it doesn't work
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:56:33 < FreezingCold> All the lettering/screen is black
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:56:41 < FreezingCold> If I shut it off completely and wait for a few minutes, it works again
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:56:45 < bobo1on1> battery empty?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:57:00 < FreezingCold> brand new battery
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:57:18 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:57:22 < FreezingCold> the low battery light is on
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:57:36 < FreezingCold> it disappears though
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:59:11 < FreezingCold> wtf
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:59:19 < FreezingCold> I'm measuring 5V off a 9V battery?!?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T21:59:32 < Polesch> Sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:59:52 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:59:54 < FreezingCold> it expired a year ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T21:59:58 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:00:00 < FreezingCold> fail
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:08:00 < FreezingCold> "Outside the optimal life use."
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:08:02 < FreezingCold> Better?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:08:22 < corecode> isn't that the name?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:08:25 < corecode> expiration date
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:09:02 < FreezingCold> Yes, but JFK911 doesn't like that word
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:09:09 < JFK911> "expired" like a food product or explosive that's been stored too long
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:09:32 < FreezingCold> Man, explosives sound fun
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:09:41 < FreezingCold> I wish I knew shit about chemistry
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:09:43 < FreezingCold> actually I don't
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:09:46 < FreezingCold> it looks annoying
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:09:59 < Polesch> I can teach you
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:10:23 < Polesch> Which explosives are you into?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:10:25 < JFK911> pour strong acid into a bucket of water
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:10:43 < Polesch> No, opposite
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:10:45 < FreezingCold> Polesch: Is that a serious offer? Because I'm registering for a chemistry course soon
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:10:54 < JFK911> Polesch: what fun is the opposite?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:11:30 < Polesch> The water will instantly boil and fly back into your face along with acid
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:08 < JFK911> i belived this happens when you add water to acid
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:16 < Polesch> Yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:19 < FreezingCold> Are batteries on eBay decent?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:30 < zigggggy> no
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:33 < JFK911> FreezingCold: omg did you miss battery showdown
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:35 < corecode> hi zigggggy
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:38 < corecode> are you back
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:39 < zigggggy> hi corecode
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:40 < FreezingCold> JFK911: missed it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:40 < zigggggy> yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:44 < zigggggy> i am back corecode
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:44 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: better than walmart...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:45 < corecode> did you like it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:48 < zigggggy> no
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:49 < JFK911> FreezingCold: go buy alkalines at walmart
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:53 < zigggggy> 6
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:55 < JFK911> FreezingCold: rayovacs
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:12:55 < zigggggy> ^
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:12:58 < Polesch> FreezingCold, the chemistry channel is alive and well, I'm always there.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:01 < corecode> zigggggy: i think you are hanging out in the wrong area
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:08 < zigggggy> corecode im in shenzhen
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:12 < corecode> zigggggy: http://dangerousprototypes.com/hackercampshenzhen/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:23 < corecode> zigggggy: we had loads of fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:31 < zigggggy> corecode you did?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:34 < corecode> zigggggy: yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:13:35 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: Why are all the high tech companies in mainline china from Shenzhen?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:40 < zigggggy> corecode what did you do
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:13:46 < zigggggy> FreezingCold mainlaind*
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:13:48 < zigggggy> land*
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:13:53 < corecode> FreezingCold: because it is the first SEZ
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:14:07 < FreezingCold> corecode: Does the SEZ actually help for natives...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:14:18 < zigggggy> and because china is embracing captalism
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:14:27 < zigggggy> capitalism*
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:14:43 < corecode> FreezingCold: what do you mean?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:14:52 < corecode> zigggggy: in what area in shenzhen are you?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:14:59 < zigggggy> corecode the shenzhen part
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:15:01 < corecode> ...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:15:34 < corecode> do you ever leave your hotel?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:16:09 < zigggggy> corecode ofc
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:16:09 < FreezingCold> corecode: I'm Canadian, so if I go to a Canadian SEZ, it's not as useful since I still pay Canadian tax cause I live here. If I go to Dubai's SEZ or George Town's SEZ and live there I don't pay Canadian taxes
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:16:11 < zigggggy> i am all over
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:16:27 < FreezingCold> corecode: and I thought it would be the same deal with Chinese and China
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:16:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what if you are a business that would have to pay duties or taxes
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:16:49 < corecode> FreezingCold: no.  it was the first "capitalist" area
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:17:33 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Example?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:17:34 < corecode> zigggggy: you hanging out in the area where all the expats are?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:17:54 < zigggggy> corecode no
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:18:09 < JFK911> FreezingCold: your business in free zone might face lower taxes on profits or wages and your exports might not be dutied?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:18:26 < zigggggy> HEY KLUDGE!!!!
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:18:29 < JFK911> it depends on local rules
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:18:35 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh, yeah sometimes that happens
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:18:39 < corecode> why are you even awake?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:18:40 < corecode> oO
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:18:40  * kludge waves to zigggggy!
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:18:43 < FreezingCold> usually the difference is under 10-20% though
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:01 < kludge> zigggggy: you missed being in china for worker's day!
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:04 < zigggggy> corecode its 3pm
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:09 < zigggggy> kludge we left just in time!
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:19:13 < JFK911> FreezingCold: we have one such free trade zone around an airport in landlocked appalachia for instance
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:19 < corecode> zigggggy: get some awesome bbq
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:22 < corecode> mmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:27 < kludge> JFK911: where is that?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:35 < JFK911> kludge: i saw the sign along 81
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:41 < corecode> i love late night bbq
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:19:44 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Are you gonna link me to the battery showdown?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:19:52 < JFK911> dont remember if its christians/lynch/blacksburg
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:20:07 < JFK911> http://www.batteryshowdown.com/
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:20:11 < kludge> JFK911: Oh, I was hoping it was danville.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:20:16 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:20:19 < FreezingCold> that was easy lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:20:20 < JFK911> kludge: danville seems a bit depressed
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:20:42 < kludge> JFK911: it is, that's why they need a free trade zone.  There is nothing there anymore, not even Ikea, and they have a great, great airport.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:21:07 < JFK911> kludge: also they just spilled something in the river i think
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:21:25 < kludge> JFK911: Yes, I have had Wreck of the Old '97 stuck in my head for a week now as a result.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:21:37 < JFK911> the canadians are making our driving licenses in that factory.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:21:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: You're German?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:22:16 < FreezingCold> IIRC Canada's money comes from Germany now
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:22:18 < JFK911> FreezingCold: a fraction of mein anzestrie ist
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:22:30 < FreezingCold> the hell does that mean? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:22:38 < JFK911> i thought you just got polymer notes and you were making them yourselves
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:22:46 < JFK911> australia's been making mexico's plastic notes.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:22:55 < JFK911> and mexico's had them for a decade or more
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:23:08 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah we get the polymer
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:23:12 < FreezingCold> but we can't make it ourselves
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:23:34 < JFK911> well there is a large banknote producer in germany or austria who print for instance saudi money
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:23:48 < JFK911> im sure if the technology is anywhere else then the krauts have it
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:24:18 < JFK911> i think saudi number plates are anti-counterfeitting and made in germany too
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:24:38 < JFK911> theyve got holographic barcodes or laser marks or something
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:25:34 < JFK911> FreezingCold: do you still have big notes like $500 $1000
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:25:40 < Toneloc> JFK911- what is appalachia really like ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:25:49 < Toneloc> is it full of weird rednceks ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:25:53 < Toneloc> *rednecks
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:25:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: Na, we got rid of the $1,000 note years ago because only drug dealers liked them
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:25:58 < JFK911> Toneloc: most of the rednecks are chill, but some are crazy
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:25:59 < FreezingCold> The $100 is still pointless
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:02 < JFK911> crazy in criminal or religious ways :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:14 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:20  * sabotender hugs JFK911 
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:21 < sabotender> HIII
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:27:25 < Toneloc> FreezingCold-here in europe €500 notes have stopped because drug dealers could carry thousands in their pockets easily
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:27 < JFK911> herro!!!
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:35 < medfly> how is that relevant
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:27:44 < medfly> I've seen people carry 20 bank notes in their pockets just fine
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:32:42 < Toneloc> JFK911-yes, it's became popular- especially where I am- they sell appalachain wine in bars
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:32:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I thought they only made $1,000CAD and not $500
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:32:53 < JFK911> Toneloc: hehe nope ive spent lots of time around sw penna, shenendoah area and smoky mountains so i dont want to see it on tv
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:32:54 < Toneloc> and some places play appalachain music
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:33:01 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i got one from casino niagara
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:33:09 < kludge> Toneloc: we have crazy religious people all OVER the US, we even export them to europe
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:33:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: you're right, wiki says we did
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:33:41 < medfly> and uganda
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:33:48 < FreezingCold> JFK911: those hadn't been made since like frigging pre WW2 though
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:33:58 < FreezingCold> the $1,000 note only stopped a decade ago
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:34:01 < JFK911> it was in the birds series.  i dont remember what color
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:34:15 < JFK911> the series before the braille
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:35:05 < Toneloc> I have come to the conclusion that rednecks live the same the world over- regardless of the country
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:35:22 < JFK911> Well I like people here better than texas rednecks
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:35:32 < Toneloc> well, probably in all Westernised countries anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:35:40 < JFK911> FreezingCold: theres a chance i am wrong, it was a long time ago (bird notes)
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:35:50 < JFK911> i was surprised because we dont have any notes over $100
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:36:10 < FreezingCold> a lot of places don't even take a $50
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:36:18 < FreezingCold> $20s are the only useful thing really
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:36:28 < JFK911> thats funny because $50 is not a lot
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:36:29 < Toneloc> sorry, got disconnected
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:46:04 < FreezingCold> man I feel like such a bitch complaining about marks
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:46:07 < JFK911> Toneloc: I lived on some ag land for a while, and got checks from the government for not planting.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:46:29 < FreezingCold> I have an 75-80% in this one course and I'm constantly asking to see my tests =/
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T22:46:39 < FreezingCold> but fuck, my GPA is a serious matter :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:46:40 < Toneloc> kludge-wow- you were flown to Dublin to fix radios, nice! What sort of gear did you specialise in ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:46:48 < JFK911> you'd see people engage in informal things.  Like the guy across the street advertised sharpening services
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T22:46:52 < shvelo> I
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:10:00 < Toneloc> Your can call the POW's, or whatever political stuff you want- but at the end of the day, this is what they done.
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:10:04 < FreezingCold> what happens if you use a rs232 cable splitter?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:10:16 < FreezingCold> will the clock fuck everything up?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:10:16 < Toneloc> people on the other sides done the same also- not good
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:11:51 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what are you splitting?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:11:59 < JFK911> rs232 is not for multidrop
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:12:22 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I bought a bluetooth rs232 module, and I'm wondering if I have to disconnect it if I plug another wired rs232 device in
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:12:44  * nullvibe cracked the kguard egg to find yet ANOTHER arm processor
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:13:08 < Toneloc> JFK911-Yeah, when I wasn't living here, I enjoyed hearing the stories of the escapes, the robberies etc. But since I have moved here- I have came to see the damage and destruction to people and their lives here- and the legacy of that. So today, to meet a murdered face to face, look you in the eye and speak to you, it's quite an experience
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:14:09 < R0b0t1> It was a hardware issue, they didn't unswap the rx/tx pins, so this means all 50 boards they ordered need hand modification.
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:14:22 < R0b0t1> However, this incident does reinforce the superiority of my work!
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:14:57 < Toneloc> *murderer
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:15:07 < FreezingCold> sanity check
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:15:13 < FreezingCold> is this thing bidirection?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:15:13 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251460640130?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:15:23 < FreezingCold> just a max232
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:15:28 < FreezingCold> er *MAX3232
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:15:53 < nullvibe> sorry, sir. no sanity to be found in canada
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2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:16:59 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: anyway, has TX and RX pins both, so it SHOULD be
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:17:21 < nullvibe> sure the bt module isn't spi?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:17:27 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: yep very sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:17:35 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: the question is, will it output 3.3V or 5V? Does the output voltage match Vcc?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:17:40 < FreezingCold> I think it should match Vcc
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:18:13 < JFK911> Toneloc: i'm not really entertained by much more than the prison escape.  i have a low view of street crime
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:18:31 < drac_boy> hi
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:18:40 < JFK911> throwing explosives over the walls into someone's back garden
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:18:54 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: would have to assume it'd float since there aren't separate 3.3V & 5V pins, nor any sign of a jumper *shrug*
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:19:09 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: so yes, it would float to Vcc?
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:19:28 < JFK911> FreezingCold: is there a pull up>
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:19:53 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you'll never get tx and rx connected properly to three devices for instance
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:19:53 < FreezingCold> JFK911: pictures are here: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/251460640130?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:20:13 < FreezingCold> yeah I've realized that three devices won't work
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:20:18 < FreezingCold> clock probably won't like being shared
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:20:46 < JFK911> rs232 doesnt have a clock
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:21:01 < JFK911> its asynchronus
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2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:39:36 < drac_boy> just wondering but...can you make a circuit with nothing but ust the 7400's and somehow make it remember one or more different binary values (eg 110 vs 101) on its own? it'll always be powered on so I'm not worried about any issues related to cold poweroff memory loss
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:39:37 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Max232 goes both ways
2014-05.log:2014-05-01T23:39:45 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: thanks
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:40:09 < smeding> drac_boy: um, yes?
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:40:16 < smeding> that's what flip flops are for
2014-05.log-2014-05-01T23:40:22 < drac_boy> smeding..mm thanks
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:00:33 < FreezingCold> well fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:00:38 < FreezingCold> looks like I bricked this bluetooth module
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:00:48 < FreezingCold> I set the baud rate too high and there doesn't seem to be a way to reset it
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:00:57 < FreezingCold> http://forum.arduino.cc/index.php/topic,198703.0.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:00:59 < FreezingCold> I did that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:02:12 < FreezingCold> I tried shorting pin 3 to ground
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:04:29 < FreezingCold> gah
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:09:28 < FreezingCold> that's so stupid
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:10:37 < usr> I found this tutorial http://davidhunt.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Motor1.jpg on how to attach DC motor with external power to GPIO, but it doesn't seem right.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:13:22 < Phosie> usr: No common ground
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:13:36 < Phosie> i didn't look at the chart :P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:14:04 < FreezingCold> Phosie: any ideas on how to reset this bugger?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:14:32 < Phosie> Reset what? I haven't been following.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:15:33 < usr> Phosie, should there be some sort of feedback protection ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:15:34 < Phosie> Ugh why can't I find a nice, short LED strip. I just want to light up my desk!
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:15:44 < Phosie> usr: A diode would be a good idea.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:16:45 < usr> and someone in comments said that this transistor connection is wrong, that motor should be connected to collector, is that right ?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:17:23 < FreezingCold> Phosie: the baud rate of a bluetooth module
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:17:27 < FreezingCold> I'm connected over serial
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:17:40 < FreezingCold> I stupidly set the baud rate to a rate it doesn't really work at
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:17:46 < FreezingCold> now I have no way of getting it back down
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:20:00 < Phosie> usr: I'm not very clued up about transistors but I think it depends on if it's npn or pnp
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:21:16 < steverrrrrrr> hey, typed a file with exactly M lines with N+1 characters each (the +1 for the \n), but the file is M*(N+1) + 1 bytes.  i think it's the U+EFF byte.  is it always there?  what's a good way to tell and remove it?  it screws up the CSV parser i'm using
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T01:21:30 < FreezingCold> yeah I tried using that pin to reset it
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:21:31 < GPF_1> it must be deal month.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:21:48 < Phosie> Then I'm not sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T01:21:53 < GPF_1> I got offers up the yingyang from equipment sellers.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:06:17 < Flynnn> Stevenerr: oops, I got it wrong, I thought the graph said red was cathode. You were right, anode is the conventional-flow positive terminal
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:18:48 < nullvibe> hmm. I didn't intend to use these whey containers for submersion, but you have me curious now. I have access to a 17ft deep pond and it's getting nice out, so I might have to try it out this weekend :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:19:05 < Flynnn> nullvibe! ooh, that sounds like an awesome experiment!
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:19:18 < Flynnn> nullvibe: can you email me your results?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:22:25 < nullvibe> email? no. All of my email providers for that sort of thing have decided to be hostile to tor users, and I couldn't be arsed to find a free, tor-friendly one yet
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:30:55 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: Google doesn't even let you search on the internet with Tor most of the time
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:48:39 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: What do you mean?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:49:04 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: the human verification bot is impossible to get past
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:49:06 < R0b0t1> It just doesn't work, or it's blocked, or
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:49:08 < R0b0t1> oh.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:49:10 < FreezingCold> it keeps asking me to enter a code
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:49:10 < R0b0t1> Heh.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:49:12 < FreezingCold> over and over and over
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T02:49:16 < FreezingCold> never goes past
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:49:33 < HTT-Bird> ...weird.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T02:49:34 < R0b0t1> They probably tuned the recaptha to thwart what they thought were bots, but were actually people.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:15:21 < The_Coolest> lol Triffid_Hunter works either way for me :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:15:40 < Triffid_Hunter> The_Coolest: whatever you pressed just shows up as a ? here
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T03:15:46 < FreezingCold> okay so I'm spamming the reset AT code every 1 second for the next two hours
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T03:15:50 < FreezingCold> let's see if that resets my chip
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:15:50 < The_Coolest> :[
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:16:30 < SpeedEvil> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iss-hdev-payload - very cool
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:17:24 < R0b0t1> all your names are teal.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:37:43 < ShadowJK> jadew, no
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:37:49  * nullvibe saw 68k and thought it was about old macs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:56:41 < Triffid_Hunter> cluelessperson: yeah that's pretty normal. also thanks for letting us know it worked :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:57:15  * ketas gives cluelessperson a clue
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:57:24 < zigggggy> :O
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T03:57:51  * ketas gives FreezingCold a warm blanket
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T03:58:14 < ketas> maybe SpeedEvil also needs blanket
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:49:40 < steverrrrrrr> o cool, i must have not searched specifically enoguh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:49:56 < DanDare> JFK911, i was using a "pack" of capacitors lately as for simple point welding machine. poor caps
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T05:49:59 < FreezingCold> time to see if my brute force reset script worked...
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T05:50:01 < FreezingCold> I'm thinking no
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T05:50:02 < FreezingCold> but hey
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T05:50:05 < FreezingCold> maybe I got lucky
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:50:25 < JFK911> DanDare: i wonder how long it will take them to show signs of abuse
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:51:03 < DanDare> JFK911, so, maximum discharge rate is pointed out in cap datasheets ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:57:58 < steverrrrrrr> yea those arent' even the square ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:58:08 < JFK911> i prefer stripped pieces of wire
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T05:58:23 < FreezingCold> i prefer strippers
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T05:58:32 < JFK911> anton02: i think it involves some kind of band gap thing?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:20:15 < password2_> as in lost by heat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:20:21 < password2_> or outputting?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:20:28 < JFK911> which must be negative
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:20:40 < FreezingCold> fuckkkkkk
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:20:49 < FreezingCold> I got an an annoying B+ on my transcript
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:20:49 < FreezingCold> gah
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:21:01  * FreezingCold tries to scratch it off
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:21:18 < FreezingCold> it's all like "A, A+, A, A, A-, AND A FUCKING B+"
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:21:20 < JFK911> B+ for what
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:21:29 < JFK911> sports class i'm sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:21:38 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oddly enough industrial robots (like the 6 axis ones from Fanuc)
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:21:45 < gpunk> u suck
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:21:47 < FreezingCold> and i'm good at that stuff too
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:21:57 < JFK911> FreezingCold: really, whered you lose credit
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:21:58 < R0b0t1> "ASCII data over the Ethernet"
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:09 < gpunk> so measure them dumb bich
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:15 < gpunk> lmao
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:26 < JFK911> whats the difference between power and energy
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:22:29 < FreezingCold> JFK911: The tests. They'd always say questions like "how many digital I/O ports does the model we use in class have?"
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:31 < JFK911> time is included in power?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:32 < gpunk> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:22:33 < FreezingCold> which I have no fucking clue
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:22:37 < gpunk> she is so funny
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:22:58 < FreezingCold> I use something called a DATASHEET to figure that out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:23:16 < gpunk> the worse part
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:23:30 < JFK911> FreezingCold: sure but maybe the idea of that is to prove that you came to lab and got familiar with the widget they had in front of you.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:23:32 < gpunk> is that I think beky is a script of some commercial company
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:23:39 < gpunk> we work for them , for free
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:23:46 < FreezingCold> gpunk: hahaha exactly
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:23:55 < gpunk> jeezuz christ
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:23:59 < gpunk> ban that whore
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:24:18 < FreezingCold> JFK911: well, the problem is that a lot of the information /wasn't/ in the lab, but rather the datasheet
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:24:49 < FreezingCold> JFK911: like sure we had 36 digital I/O ports, but only 12 were wired up in the lab
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:24:56 < FreezingCold> and out of those 12, 10 were burnt out
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:25:05 < shrdlu-> settle down please. gpunk
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:25:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: I have no problem with the idea that you should have the habit to read datasheets. :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:25:25 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I read them on a need-to-know basis :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:25:34 < gpunk> shrdlu-> suck my dick
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:25:35 < JFK911> you should read them when you encounter a thing.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:26:01 < JFK911> gpunk: yeah we don't normally direct profanity at other chatters
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:26:58 < madis_> Fantastic?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:09 < madis_> Fantastik ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:10 < FreezingCold> madis_: What's wrong with whores?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:12 < madis_> doesn't sound right
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:26 < gpunk> i made my case , say what ever even ban me, i am here for the entertainment,
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:28 < gpunk> as u all see
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:29 < FreezingCold> It's the oldest business
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:34 < FreezingCold> don't be judgmental
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:36 < gpunk> *i dont really need advices
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:44 < FreezingCold> advices?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:57  * gpunk is away: Occupé
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:57 < R0b0t1> <FreezingCold> JFK911: The tests. They'd always say questions like "how many digital I/O ports does the model we use in class have?"
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:27:58 < FreezingCold> would you like to buy all of my advices?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:27:59 < R0b0t1> .................................. what
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:28:19 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: what what? ;p
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:28:29 < madis_> in da butt
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:28:40 < R0b0t1> I trained a markov bot on some Machiavelli translations. It sounded way smarter than beaky.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:28:46 < R0b0t1> Was always talking about the romans, though.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:28:50 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: lol the very last question in the course was to look at a blurry schematic and say which robot it came from :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:29:24 < zigggggy> :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:29:24 < password2_> I'm surprised at how audible a hand wound toroid is
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:29:30 < shrdlu-> while on a bucking bronco
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:29:57 < shrdlu-> use a transformer
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:30:11 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: ._.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:30:17 < R0b0t1>                    <_<
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:30:19 < R0b0t1> >_>
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:30:25 < FreezingCold> I couldn't read the labels either
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:30:40 < madis_> password2_: that's what transformer varnish is for
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:30:41 < FreezingCold> the way you were supposed to get the answer is remember the overall look from the textbook
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:30:53 < shrdlu-> next test will be tell them the keyboard shortcuts while riding a unicycle
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T19:30:54 < FreezingCold> I can barely remember where I put my coffee
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:30:56 < madis_> while winding the toroid, you must constantly paint it with varnish
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T19:33:09 < shrdlu-> the wire shoud already be insulated
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:44:06 < linux_probe> it would cause the antenna tuning to change / SWR
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:44:06 < Astaelan> Are you pushing like, 1a?
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:44:16 < moqq> linux_probe: yes, it would
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:44:25 < FreezingCold> Why does this thing have two DB9 ports....?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:44:25 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Arduino-DB9-RS232-RF-Wireless-Bluetooth-Module-HC-06-Slave-Serial-Port-/310733714945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48592c3601
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:50:41 < Astaelan> Most transmitters I've played with you can ramp up quite a ways over their maximum ratings, most of them as mentioned self adjust themselves to compensate for variations in the circuits.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:51:32 < Astaelan> Uh, well, simple answer there is a buck regulator I think? Now I'm going to look like an idiot because I don't know all the terminology heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:51:53 < R0b0t1> So this thing has serial data output but why can't I actually change any parameters via serial.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:51:55 < FreezingCold> stupid fucking circuit
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:51:57  * R0b0t1 stares at unit
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:52:03 < FreezingCold> what the hell is saving the baud rate?!
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:52:04 < moqq> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:52:06 < Astaelan> moqq: At it's simplest, you could just parallel with the right resistors.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:52:27 < FreezingCold> I mistakenly set the baud rate way too high
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:52:34 < FreezingCold> now I can't reset the fucking thing or lower the baud rate
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:52:41 < moqq> ruh roh laptop about to die, thanks for the engagemnt, Astaelan, bbiab
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:52:44 < Astaelan> Or, you can do what you do with uC's, and do bridge caps
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:52:50 < Astaelan> Take care :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:53:04 < moqq> you too, ciao
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:53:46 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Tried bleeding the circuit?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:53:58 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: Bleeding?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:54:08 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Connect to an earth ground.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:54:20 < FreezingCold> Yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:54:27 < FreezingCold> I don't understand how it's saving it =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:54:53 < Astaelan> Well, maybe you damaged a component, try replacing any IC's in the circuit.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:55:01 < FreezingCold> lol na it's not damaged
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:55:27 < Astaelan> I always vote for simple troubleshooting first, heh
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:55:43 < FreezingCold> I can connect to it over bluetooth
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:55:43  * Astaelan has, on too many occasions, made stupid mistakes that took hours to figure out.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:55:55 < FreezingCold> but bluetooth doesn't allow you to change the baud rate
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:56:02 < Astaelan> Right
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:56:18 < Astaelan> Do you have a JTAG direct connect as well?
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:56:33 < FreezingCold> er, it's RS232 3.3V
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:56:39 < Astaelan> Ah, okay.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:57:07 < Astaelan> Is it onboard, or in a cable?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:57:54 < Astaelan> Might be getting just enough voltage if the cable is still connected to your PC or whatever.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:58:02 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Wireless-Serial-4-Pin-Bluetooth-RF-Transceiver-Module-HC-06-RS232-With-backplane-/370999421767
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:58:03 < FreezingCold> it's that
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:58:05 < Astaelan> If it's an in-cable RS232 chip
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:58:37 < Astaelan> Hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T22:58:50 < Astaelan> Do those have a breakout for wired connection too on the back side, or the sides?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T22:59:44 < FreezingCold> I'm connecting to it via RS232 and bluetooth
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:00:57 < chris_99> what is life
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:01:59 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Even so, that's very strange, if you've unplugged it for a good 60 seconds or so, it should not have any charge left in it, even if it has a big cap close to the uC.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:02:21 < jnewt> anyone know where i can get rubber / waterproof buttons for a project i'm working on like this: http://www.ergonomicpartners.com/images/productimages/Enrange-FLEX-6EX.jpg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:02:58 < Astaelan> I've heard of transformers hanging on for 30-40 seconds, but I can't see that holding for more than a couple seconds tops.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:03:43 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Find out what exact chip is used, and see if it has built in non-volatile configuration.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:03:47 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:03:54 < FreezingCold> hard to make out the chip number tbh
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:04:34 < Astaelan> If it does, there is USUALLY a pin you can short to ground to reset it, it's usually an open drain... could be tough to short it though.
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:06:11 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: fyi, I hate those bluetooth rs232 SPI boards, so annoying to work with. You're better off getting one of those USB to dupont with built in 232 lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:06:34 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: I'm already using one of those to talk to one end of the device
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2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:06:53 < Astaelan> haha okay.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:07:25 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Mind if my curiousity asks what you're building?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:07:43 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: I want to be able to cheaply connect older CNC and robots via bluetooth
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:07:59 < Astaelan> Gotcha. That's pret
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:08:04 < Astaelan> er, that's pretty nifty.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:11:32 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: I have a 3d printer on the way, with that and my dremel 3000, I plan to build a DIY CNC machine :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-02T23:11:47 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: nice, bluetooth it :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:12:07 < Astaelan> Yeah, I dunno about bluetooth, my electronics area is a little further than bluetooth will probably transmit nicely, plus a couple walls.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:12:27 < Astaelan> So, I'm leaning towards Wifi actually, with a built in stack.
2014-05.log-2014-05-02T23:12:51 < linux_probe> if your teeth are blue, you may be dead =p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:31:26 < davidc__> You need a hardware FIFO / DMA engine to throw it directly to ram
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:31:38 < davidc__> Now, lots of MCUs have these kind of blocks builtin
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:31:47 < davidc__> I've also used that interface from within an FPGA
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T00:31:53 < FreezingCold> wow, jpg's don't compress at *all*?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:31:54 < Astaelan> But I don't think he'll get what he needs under $3 heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:32:14 < davidc__> Honestly, if you need high-speed comms for cheap, FT232H
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T00:32:28 < davidc__> you can put it into a fairly fast FIFO mode and do 20MByte/sec
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:42:02 < GPF_1> Hmm
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T01:44:10 < FreezingCold> I wonder, as long as you don't include any proprietary software, are software cracks consider original work and legal?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:45:10 < ZiNC> Depends on where you are, I suppose.
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:45:13 < Jan-> it's mainly about the battery yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:45:27 < Jan-> and the regs go weird if you undervolt them, strange whining noises and sudden large current draw
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:45:30 < Jan-> must do protection
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T01:47:00 < FreezingCold> ZiNC: Canada
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T01:47:06 < FreezingCold> Reverse engineering is legal
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:47:40 < ZiNC> Cracks still might not be.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T01:53:50 < FreezingCold> I might try emailing a local law professor for kicks
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T01:54:53 < ZiNC> That's one way to solve the dilemma.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:06:37  * Jan- wakes up
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:06:54 < Jan-> awman I'm going to sleep
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:07:20 < FreezingCold> ah, the great current war
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:07:24 < FreezingCold> it was a hard battle
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:07:28 < FreezingCold> fought over years and years
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:07:40 < FreezingCold> many pens were thrown away over the conflict
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:07:59 < ZiNC> It's not over yet.
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:08:02 < FreezingCold> endearingly giving their dying ink to write out their final arguments
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:08:13 < FreezingCold> ZiNC: it's more like the cold war? :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:08:34 < ZiNC> More like the War of the Voltages.
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:08:37 < Astaelan> ZiNC: Got your data lines solved?
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:09:09 < FreezingCold> a huge load
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:09:12 < FreezingCold> right over everything
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:09:21 < ZiNC> Astaelan: They burned. No OVP. :-/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T02:09:50 < FreezingCold> so think of shit like wheels
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T02:09:59 < Astaelan> ZiNC: Doh. Did you decide what you're going to use?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:01:43 < Hyratel1> *facerubs*
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:01:43 < Hyratel1> NO
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:02:06 < Hyratel1> get a motor controller that runs off your native battery voltage
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T04:02:10 < FreezingCold> +++
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:02:12 < Hyratel1> pololu should have some suitable
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T04:02:19 < FreezingCold> mechanical relay FTW!
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T04:02:32 < FreezingCold> 240V 10A is pretty average
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:02:53 < anton02> Hyratel1: i wanted boost SMPS anyway so i could have a constant voltage output since batteries fluctuate too much
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T04:03:01 < FreezingCold> though 24V coil at like nearly a full watt might be too much :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:03:03 < Hyratel1> anton02, sorry, nope
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:03:23 < anton02> yeah trust me they go from 1.7 down to 1.1
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:03:28 < Hyratel1> get a 2-3v H bridge
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:05:36 < tawr> :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T04:05:42 < FreezingCold> anton02: what in gods name are you trying to do?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:06:03 < the_file> tawr: thats awfully nice of you
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T04:06:08 < tawr> run 2 tiny little 50 cent gear boxes off the wrong damn shield off AA"s - he was worrying about I-stall and max current and all this stuf.. from 4aa batteries.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T05:59:03 < upgrdman> Triffid_Hunter: was ground bounce. thanks.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:00:38 < hjf_> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:02:28 < upgrdman> hjf_: that sucks
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:04:21 < Triffid_Hunter> tawr: nope, last time I wanted a motor driver I made one around the hip4082
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:04:36 < hjf_> taking a credit is SO expensive,
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:40:21 < ashes> or
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:40:27 < steverrrrrrr> ashes: isn't it that you have to have the plan in your head in order to be attempting?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:40:33 < ashes> just put me in a room with him. i will have no choice
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:41:37 < ashes> i would like to start a web site, collecting money, to kill justin beiber
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T06:41:51 < ashes> donate a dollar, whatever you can spare
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T07:38:54 < ashes> what is the best day to kill a man?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T07:39:07 < R0b0t1> upgrdman: my face when
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T07:39:33 < Tech_guy21> anyone, can you help ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T07:40:33 < tawr> Tech_guy21, uhm
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:08 < smeding> doesn't need to be 'physical' but it's protective earth
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:38 < Polesch_> The mains socket has an earth lead, and so does the cord
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:43 < smeding> it's tied to ground somewhere, probably
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:47 < tawr> i used the word physical the accentuate it's earth ground, i mean
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:56 < smeding> call it protective earth :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T12:54:59 < smeding> that's what it's for, afaik
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T17:21:02 < hjf> hackkitten: now you need a blacklight
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T17:22:33 < hackkitten> :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:21:44 < SpeedEvil> It does make sense rather than PIR
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:02 < SpeedEvil> But I have not seen any chipsets to do this on a search - so am wondering what they're using
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:14 < JFK911> SpeedEvil: http://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/5/5Y3GT.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:18 < bobo1on1> could be 2.4 ghz radar
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:32 < SpeedEvil> bobo1on1: Well - yes - presumably - or related
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:40 < JFK911> SpeedEvil: they have a 50 volt drop or so...
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:47 < hjf> i love how macho the boxers are but they're real whiners
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:54 < buttbutter> Alright, neat. Thanks for your help, mgottschlag  ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:22:56 < FreezingCold> man, I fucking hate greedy students
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:22:57 < bobo1on1> SpeedEvil: I know some sensors for a security system that use it, it also destroys 4 wifi channels
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:00 < FreezingCold> some dude is charging me $20 for his notes
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:02 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:04 < FreezingCold> what a cunt
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:08 < SpeedEvil> bobo1on1: quite - that's a concern.
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:10 < password2> but Vin = Vc + Ys
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:11 < hjf> i dont understand whats the bullshit about maidana's "too thin gloves"
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:14 < mgottschlag> which is Y(s) = H(s) * (Vin(s) - Y(s)), move some stuff around and you get the result
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:15 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: there is an easy way to avoid that.
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:20 < JFK911> FreezingCold: go to class
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:21 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: Go to the lectures/...
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:24 < JFK911> FreezingCold: also rtfm
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:25 < hjf> the gloves are made by everlast. why should they be different? :/
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:23:30 < FreezingCold> it's an online class lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:23:38 < bobo1on1> aren't the notes online then
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:24:38 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: Not for the sample questions
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:24:58 < mgottschlag> buttbutter: actually, the problem is that you used Y(s) = H(s) * V_c(s) as well when you moved to the second-last line
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:25:42 < FreezingCold> I don't actually need these notes
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:25:44 < buttbutter> Wait huh
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:25:46 < FreezingCold> I could google it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:26:02 < FreezingCold> but, the same questions have teacher feedback on them
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:26:08 < FreezingCold> which is stupid that they don't give that out /before/
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:26:13 < bobo1on1> what's the class about?
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:26:22 < FreezingCold> calculus
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:26:25 < bobo1on1> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:26:37 < buttbutter> mgottschlag: Oh, I see
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:26:40 < buttbutter> mgottschlag: But aren't both true?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:26:40 < bobo1on1> do you need the notes at all?
2014-05.log:2014-05-03T20:26:52 < FreezingCold> I got 99% on the first module just by reading up on Google, but I'd like to raise my mark up :>
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2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:27:03 < buttbutter> mgottschlag: V_c = Vin - Y(s) AND Y(s) = H(s)*V_c?
2014-05.log-2014-05-03T20:27:20 < mgottschlag> yes, exactly
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:15:13 < Astaelan> screw it, 300 is enough for now
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:15:31 < LeelooMinai>  /msg DipTraceAgent Ok, I got another potential customer - put it on my tab
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:15:38 < LeelooMinai> Sorry, wrong channel
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:16:54 < scottstamp> heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:17:09 < Astaelan> LeelooMinai: Does DipTrace support a lot of direct import formats? One thing that really annoys me is TI's BXL format that requires a special tool to convert it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T05:17:50 < LeelooMinai> What import formats?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T19:26:23  * The_Coolest slaps Polesch_ around a bit with a Tape Recorder (a large one)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:02:11 < Casper> depend on the application
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:03:42 < Toneloc> *do
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:03:44 -!- nullvibe_ is now known as nullvibe
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:03:53 < Toneloc> like LPF
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:17:10 < medfly> madist: they don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:17:15 < madist> Toneloc: I have been thinking along the same lines. If the future is going to be more automation, then people like us have to own land or starve.
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:17:19 < nullvibe> blockh34d: nothing went wrong. we moved BEYOND the basic tedious nonsense and outsourced to lesser developed countries. if you want those kinds of jobs, no one would stop you from moving to whatever country has those jobs at the moment ;)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:17:22 < blockh34d> Toneloc: america is f'd, just move to canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-04T20:17:38 < blockh34d> nullvibe: we exported the jobs to places with no human rights
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T02:39:57 < Astaelan> R0b0t1: yessir.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T02:40:14 < Astaelan> davor: 10 pack for a buck, hard to beat that.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T02:40:25 < FreezingCold> crap trig identities
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T02:40:49 < davor> trying to find something like that on ebay
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T02:40:58 < davor> that site has $50 minimum order
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:00:50 < GPF_1> upgradman: what voltage are you dealing with ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:01:12 < upgrdman> up to 80V maybe
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:01:36 < GPF_1> ok, I have a board with ceramic medium lamp sockets on it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:01:41 < GPF_1> all tried in parallel.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:16:26 < blockh34d> w/in 12
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:16:31 < blockh34d> !!
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:16:59 < GPF_1> not really.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:17:08 < GPF_1> they don't react well at high freq..
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:17:18 < upgrdman> is there a work for that?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:17:20 < upgrdman> word
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:26:40 < yggdrasili> nice JFK911
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:26:53 < OoTLink> I still use one of these because I'm silly
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:26:56 < Red_Onyx> thank you, that's cool
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:27:06 < OoTLink> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=FRDM-KL25Z
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:27:08 < JFK911> i love my beaglebone black
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:31:50 < GPF_1> wich means, it starts looking like a resistor.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:32:42 < GPF_1> basically, there is a point where the forward voltage will start increasing under current
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:35:04 < JFK911> that
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:35:24 < JFK911> im not sure it has to be regulated. most of its low voltage
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:36:14 < OoTLink> this is where I like the ones that can take 5-9v or whatever hehe
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:41:08 < GPF_1> after experimenting with these 22M 2 Watt R's and popping a couple open, I can see why that is the end of the standard scale of R's
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:46:33 < GPF_1> with only 1 watt I was able to split the body of a 22MEG R.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:46:50 < GPF_1> this is with no charring, no heating..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:48:49 < GPF_1> so with that, good night you all..
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:48:59 < yggdrasili> nighters
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:58:32 < OoTLink> oh this is driving me nuts :]
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T04:58:47 < OoTLink> that board is $30, has more power, and it appears to be pin compatible with what we're using on our car
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T05:08:50 < Phosie> ohsix: Then I would be even more bored.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T05:53:53 < madist> Phosie: Nooooooo!
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T05:53:55 < ohsix> look, we helped Phosie
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T05:54:27 < gewt> what the hell is going on in here
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T05:54:37 < gewt> i ask about wire wrapping tools and it turns in to WWII
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:10:40 < magic_ninja-lap> I need to do a report on robotic applications based on technical documents from manufacturers, anyone have any advice
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:10:58 < FreezingCold> magic_ninja-lap: anything Fanuc probably
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:11:00 < FreezingCold> or allen bradley
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:11:02 < ohsix> cryptofascist seems to be in common enough use to go with 'english words prefixed with crypto-' on wikionary
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:11:08 < gewt> yes. pick a university that isn't in the 1960s idea of the 2000s
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:11:15 < FreezingCold> magic_ninja-lap: do welding, it's the most common application
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:11:25 < FreezingCold> or just basic loading/unloading if you're a boring person
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:11:33 < yggdrasili> cryptofacist is that the new dogecoin?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:11:34 < LeelooMinai> I have some observation here - ohsix whined about C++/D on uC conversation being not on topic, and look at him now:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:11:55 < ohsix> look at me go
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:12:10 < yggdrasili> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:12:13 < ohsix> and remember what i was doing is whining, not just asking someone to take a conversation between two people to somewhere private
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:12:13 < LeelooMinai> Just pointing out a hypocrisy:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:12:18 < magic_ninja-lap> FreezingCold, its over multiple applications, I'm more in need of some manufacturer's and databases of technical documents I can use
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:12:20 < gewt> brb porting BCPL to atmega
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:10 < gewt> honestly
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:16 < gewt> i couldn't lift my teletype to throw it
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:18 < ohsix> magic_ninja-lap: i don't know if there is going to be material from a vendor like that that isn't marketing material
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:14:23 < FreezingCold> magic_ninja-lap: look at the example applications section of the sales information, I'm sure Fanuc brags about what they can do
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:24 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:41 < ohsix> sabotender has half the channel on ignore, prepare for shit to get weird
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:14:51 < sabotender> Casper: as do I, but then mine is a wireless rechargeable keyboard
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:15:57 < ohsix> magic_ninja-lap: kuka and fanuc and a few other companies make large articulated arm machines that are really versatile
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T06:15:59 < magic_ninja-lap> FreezingCold, that is a good idea, in fact fanuc is one system we train for to get manufacturer certs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T06:16:25 < ohsix> magic_ninja-lap: they can hold basically any tool and the controllers can be setup with motion memory type thing where you move the end effector and record its movements
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T07:32:32 < inflex> scottstamp: CF is even worse
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T07:32:51 < scottstamp> Well yeah, but I wouldn't dremel CF
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T07:33:36 < scottstamp> I'm glad I gave up smoking 'cause LOL that much inhaled fibreglass can't possibly be doing my lungs any good
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T07:33:53 < magic_ninja-lap> i've tried so many times, i always fail
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T07:34:32 < ohsix> hjf: hm has anyone released any public data on fully characterizing some tube, like if you wanted to get the 'function' of the tube with certain parameters for doing a convolution to simulate it or something, i guess it's nonlinear so i dunno
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T16:23:01 < tawr> Lope, at 13k rpm you should do some water / methanol injection!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T18:03:25 < BW^-> i guess the actual figure is a bit lower
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T18:03:38 < BW^-> nullvibe: this should leave me with an interval that's not too narrow ever anyhow i guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T18:03:45 < BW^-> though sure perhaps it can take an hour to find the right angle
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T18:04:22 < nullvibe> I don't think you understand. it isn't the angle that will get you in trouble, but the radiation pattern
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:20:48 < kludge> ketas: it is called fanfold paper and it is still very popular.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:20:49 < Dark_Fox|Office> That is to say, when it was pressed it would run at normal speed.  Depressing it would slow the machine down for software that couldn't handle the faster speeds- for compatibility purposes
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:20:55 < evilbetty> i have a supermarket here that serlls for other shops
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:20:56 < FreezingCold> ketas: of course
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:20:59 < ketas> so i didn't just see old stock
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:00 < ketas> meh
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:02 < srock> binary printouts
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:05 < evilbetty> still matrix
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:09 < voxadam> I loved my C64. I still have it somewhere. I should really find it. I'm sure my girlfriend would love yet another computer. I could put it in the living room as "art".
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:17 < evilbetty> even dual paper
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:21:19 < FreezingCold> receipt machines also use a similar matrix style printing
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:21 < ketas> it even had teletype printed on it
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:23 < ketas> :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:24 < evilbetty> to have a pressthrough copy
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:54 < evilbetty> i never used the paper tho, i had to handfeed single pages in printer :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:21:56 < Dark_Fox|Office> Man, a couple years ago (Circa 2011), I was working IT and some instructor asked me to install software.  It wouldn't install so I just happened to look at the specs- It required a 386 with a co-processor to install
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:21:59 < ketas> FreezingCold: like in shops?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:07 < Dark_Fox|Office> I'm, quite frankly, surprised it was on a CD to begin with
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:07 < voxadam> I have "fond" memories of that old green and white stripped fanfold paper.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:09 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:14 < srock> is this the antique road show ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:20 < ketas> FreezingCold: don't they use thermal now
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:27 < FreezingCold> ketas: probably now yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:27 < evilbetty> i had the opposite, 2 years ago a mate of my dad asked if i could install windows on a PC he bought for his kid for 200 euro
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:30 < Dark_Fox|Office> srock: Just a bit of greybearding
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:31 < ketas> FreezingCold: which sucks... as content vanishes
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:34 < FreezingCold> but I'm sure you can find some old thing
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:36 < evilbetty> it was a 286 with half a mb ram
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:40 < evilbetty> 2 years ago, 200 euro
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:22:45 < FreezingCold> ketas: yeahhhh, I hate how my receipts go white after a few months
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:49 < Dark_Fox|Office> "HIMEM IS TESTING EXTENDED MEMORY"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:22:56 < evilbetty> i told him he got ripped off and he got his money back tho
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:23:20 < bobo1on1> you tried? lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:23:28 < ryao> evilbetty: Can that run Windows 1.0?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:23:28 < evilbetty> 386 has no historical value
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:23:35 < ketas> FreezingCold: it's designed like this... so you can't file complaints
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:23:43 < voxadam> A guy at my local hacker club was giving aways Teletype Model 15 a couple of months ago. I kick myself for not grabbing it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:23:48 < evilbetty> haha i guess, but old windows versions arent all that handy to get running :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:23:55 < FreezingCold> ketas: but what compliant could you have after two years?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:08 < FreezingCold> it's way paste the warranty
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:10 < FreezingCold> *pasgt
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:11 < ryao> evilbetty: I do not remember if it could run on the 286
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:12 < FreezingCold> *ast
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:14 < evilbetty> i dont think you get anything < windows 3 to work on a normal 386
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:14 < FreezingCold> *past
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:21 < ketas> kludge: i wonder where?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:26 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: what about 2.1?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:29 < evilbetty> i wouldnt know, i once got windows 2 working
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:35 < evilbetty> but i cant remember on what
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:46 < ketas> kludge: i hardly can think about using fold paper
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:24:48 < voxadam> The good old days when running Minix on your 286 was what all the cool kids were doing.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:24:53 < FreezingCold> Windows 3.1 was really the coolest Windows release IMO
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:00 < R0b0t1> voxadam: Now it's gentoo.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:02  * R0b0t1 is SO COOL
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:04 < evilbetty> i had 3.11 with workgroups :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:07  * R0b0t1 freezes the channel
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:08 < ketas> kludge: i mean come up with usage for this in 2014
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:11 < evilbetty> gentoo? :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:25:16 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Why not LFS?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:25:20 < FreezingCold> LFS is much cooler
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:21 < Dark_Fox|Office> I think Windows 95 was the biggest step, though
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:23 < evilbetty> gentoo was cool pre gfx installer and pre scripts :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:25 < ketas> gentoo for workgroups
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:42 < evilbetty> now gentoo is just geekcrap :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:44 < Dark_Fox|Office> 256 colours. Dear god. So many colours
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:52 < ketas> geek c rap
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:25:52 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: I take pictures of my receipts and keep them on my tablet. used one a while back, and the ladies at the store didn't know what to do
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:54 < ryao> I plan to start compiling Gentoo from stage0. :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:55  * mgottschlag is writing a homework about windows right now -.-
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:25:57 < evilbetty> i had 16 colors :(
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:09 < voxadam> R0b0t1: People still use Gentoo? I thought most everybody moved to Arch or CruchBang. Anyway, LFS is far more hardcore than Gentoo.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:26:16 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: lol same, I take pictures of stuff before I throw it away
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:23 < evilbetty> i remember the colors in paint were actually nice, they were made of patterns of 16 colors
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:25 < nullvibe> seems marking on the receipt is how they try to keep people from being able to reuse it :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:37 < ryao> voxadam: Gentoo has far more developers than those two.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:26:46 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you can always print yourself a new fake receipt
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:48 < R0b0t1> voxadam: LFS is hardcore like eating soup with a fork is hardcore.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:26:56 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:26:57 < nullvibe> gentoo NEEDS far more developers since it's far more of a pain in the ass
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:27:00 < FreezingCold> I eat soup with a fork sometimes...
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:00 < R0b0t1> Gentoo is usefully hardcore.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:06 < ketas> nullvibe: reuse, eh?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:27:18 < FreezingCold> what's wrong with a fork?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:18 < ketas> nullvibe: how can you reuse it... it has code
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:20 < ryao> R0b0t1: I like Gentoo. My workstation runs it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:21 < evilbetty> printing fake receipts reminds me of an old phrack article on hacking ID card printing computers at US instances
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:27:21 < FreezingCold> it works for everything
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:24 < voxadam> evilbetty: GUI installers can suck it. I still prefer debian installer.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:29 < nullvibe> ketas: yeah. I guess they figure everyone who's out to return something is out to scam them in some way *shrug*
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:27:37 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: How'd they pull that off?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:41 < R0b0t1> ryao: I like Gentoo. My laptop and server run it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:42 < ryao> Gentoo will not run on the 286 though
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:46 < password2> urg , how do i add a c compiler to mplab X ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:47 < R0b0t1> hint: We've talked before.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:27:54 < evilbetty> by attaching them to a phoneline
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:27:57 < FreezingCold> password2: the auto detect feature usually works
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:07 < evilbetty> and since they all used them you could make perfect fake IDs
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:08 < R0b0t1> password2: look at the menus
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:28:09 < FreezingCold> password2: Are you a Windoze n00b or a Gentoo pwner?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:13 < ketas> nullvibe: besides... you return something... you don't return some piece of paper
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:16 < ryao> R0b0t1: You might like sys-fs/zfs
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:20 < R0b0t1> password2: project settings
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:24 < nullvibe> ketas: these are minimum wage drones given orders by phbs who are totally disconnected from both technology and reality. cannot expect it to make any sense
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:24 < password2> midway
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:40 < evilbetty> anyway story goes some guy bought a machine for over $5000, got his money back from it instantly, but he mad ehimself very suspicious
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:28:43 < FreezingCold> password2: find the settings for adding a compiler
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:28:49 < nullvibe> sabayon seems better than gentoo imho
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:28:56 < FreezingCold> click scan or query or whatever
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:29:04 < FreezingCold> as long as you didnt fuck with the install options, it should find the compiler
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:05 < ryao> nullvibe: Sabayon is a binary Gentoo
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:07 < voxadam> I do have to admit that I'm a little miffed at the Debian SPARC team. I was just thinking about digging up my SPARCstation 20 and put it to good use. Maybe I'll go with NetBSD or something.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:12 < R0b0t1> ryao: It seems like a stable, slightly older version of btrfs. I am currently using ext4 on lvm.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:30 < password2> I'm looking around
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:36 < nullvibe> ryao: yes, this is kind of the point. why waste time compiling when someone did it for you? :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:39 < password2> haven't done PIC stuff in years
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:29:42 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: not following
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:45 < Hodapp> nullvibe: Or if you're using a different compiler version for some purpose.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:46 < evilbetty> doesnt matter
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:29:51 < FreezingCold> FUCK YES IT DOES
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:29:52 < evilbetty> hehe that explains
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:29:52 < FreezingCold> fuck off evilbetty
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:29:55 < FreezingCold> go fuck yourself
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:30:00 < evilbetty> because noone does pic stuff anymore today
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:30:09  * FreezingCold looks at his bin of PICs
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:30:12 < evilbetty> what is your problem?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:30:15 < voxadam> Did anyone ever try running Microsoft Xenix?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:30:17 < R0b0t1> nullvibe: I picked gentoo because typically I end up recompiling a bunch of stuff anyway. A lot of package managers are really... slow.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:30:18 < FreezingCold> haha I'm kidding
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:30:52 < evilbetty> i guess these days you can program pics in a proper language?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:00 < evilbetty> because pic asm is disgusting :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:17 < password2> is XC8 the compiler i want?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:28 < ryao> nullvibe: It is not a wate of time. Compiling it yourself means that the source code is available by default. Security wise, you need to exchange source code as a mechanism to install things to ensure that you have the original source and minimize the potential for a rogue developer to hide malicious changes.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:31:28 < FreezingCold> password2: yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:32 < R0b0t1> Hodapp: I end up compiling a bunch of packages I pulled in from the manager anyway because they're too old
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:35 < voxadam> R0b0t1: Only a truly masochistic geek would opt for compiling ever package from scatch because package managers are too slow. :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:31:36 < FreezingCold> password2: assuming you have a pic16 or pic18
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:31:38 < ryao> s/wate/waste/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:31:59 < FreezingCold> password2: xc32 is nicer though, you got C++ in there. only for pic32 devices
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:32:11 < FreezingCold> but yeah, you probably don't have a pic32 on hand
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:17 < voxadam> ryao: That's what cryptographic package signing is for.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:18 < password2> i have a pic19f1037
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:20 < R0b0t1> nullvibe: So far they're not linked with distcc. I have an i7 4770k with 16gb and a i7 4700HQ with 16gb.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:32:26 < FreezingCold> wtf, pic19?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:33 < evilbetty> showoff
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:35 < password2> *6
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:38 < password2> lel
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:39 < ryao> voxadam: You need to trust the guy signing to not sign an altered version.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:32:59 < ketas> ryao: it's hard to fully trust things anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:07 < ryao> voxadam: If you build the source yourself, you know that the binaries match the sources.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:33:17 < FreezingCold> password2: 16f1037 isn't a valid number either
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:20 < evilbetty> isnt that the main argument of kids compiling from source but never ever read the source or check it
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:25 < ketas> ryao: who wants to read source always
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:29 < nullvibe> ryao: some level of trust has to be granted at SOME point regardless. either you trust the distros, you trust the distro you bootstrap your distro off of (which may or may not be the same), you trust the people providing your binary blobs, or you trust your OEM/BIOS maker
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:33 < password2> ***PIC16f1937
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:33:33 < FreezingCold> password2: but if it really is pic16, then xc8 for shitzlee
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:37 < ryao> ketas: I do not like giving other people the ability to MITM attack the binaries.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:38 < password2> wtf is wrong with me
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:42 < voxadam> ryao: Well, it's either I trust Debian's crytographic web-of-trust or I read every ling of source for every program, library, and kernel I run.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:33:59 < R0b0t1> voxadam: With a single-processor build, most things are complete in about a minute. A build of like, firefox or libreoffice takes less than an hour. A rebuild of everything takes a few hours.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:02 < password2> do i install it with apt-get?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:34:11 < FreezingCold> password2: xc8 probably isn't in apt-get
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:12 < password2> or downlod it seperately
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:13 < nullvibe> since everyone pretty much needs a binary gpu blob to do anything interesting, it's all kind of moot any which way
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:18 < ryao> voxadam: I don't trust Debian to do sane packaging. See OpenSSL
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:19 < R0b0t1> password2, no, download from MCP website.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:34:23 < FreezingCold> password2: separately
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:24 < password2> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:38 < password2> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:44 < evilbetty> this whole openssl thing is a hoax
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:52 < voxadam> I may have an inordanent amount of free time but doing security audits on everything I run. I'd rather build fun shit that could possibly electorcute me.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:34:53 < FreezingCold> password2: I'm not going to tell you how to find it, but search  online for "xclm.c"
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:34:56 < password2> damn my internet is slooow
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:00 < ryao> evilbetty: Commenting out the entropy was no hoac.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:35:02 < FreezingCold> password2: That may or may not unlock the pro features
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:07 < ryao> s/hoac/hoax/
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:08 < nullvibe> debian has proven to be a nice base for embedded work. easier to bootstrap something different off of
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:11 < evilbetty> or you're fast today
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:12 < SpeedEvil> ryao: that wasn't openssl
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:21 < password2> last thing , hopefully , the pickitv3 can power my circuit?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:33 < ryao> I really would like to make it easy to build gentoo with nothing but scripts.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:35:37 < FreezingCold> password2: Most likely
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:39 < evilbetty> if not it'll burn... BURN
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:41 < password2> because i had to add a 5v supply for it to recognise my chip
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:35:49 < ryao> So we don't need to distribute binaries anymore.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:35:50 < FreezingCold> password2: you probably did it wrong
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:00 < ketas> ryao: why did they fuck the entropy anyway?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:08 < voxadam> R0b0t1: I bet the massive cache on that i7 of yours helps keep compile times low.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:11 < evilbetty> strange, i remember when i borrowezd a v2 i could even set the voltage in software
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:11 < ketas> ryao: do you like fbsd ports too
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:36:13 < FreezingCold> password2: it's probably a good idea to disconnect Vcc from the pickit2 anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:15 < ryao> ketas: Rogue developer?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:36:21 < FreezingCold> password2: that way you won't pull too much current off usb
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:29 < ryao> ketas: I use portage on FreeBSD
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:34 < nullvibe> ketas: I like those, actually. they're sane and somewhat standardized
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:36:40 < R0b0t1> voxadam: Yes, the cache gives me a compile boner.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:23 < password2> I'm powering it with a bech supply
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:34 < ryao> Yeah... our IRIX, HP-UX, AIX and Interix support leave things to be desired.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:40 < evilbetty> a beaky supply woop
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:37:44 < FreezingCold> password2: good boy
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:45 < password2> i must say , i love this dev board i laid out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:55 < ryao> Well, Gentoo's IRIX, HP-UX, AIX and Interix support.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:37:58 < ketas> ryao: in the end it's pretty much same... doesn't matter if you sign or checksum binary of source
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:37:59 < FreezingCold> password2: ewwww, you bought a dev board>?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:00 < FreezingCold> yuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:15 < evilbetty> internet is full of geeks today :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:15 < ryao> ketas: It does. The trusted base is smaller with source.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:22 < password2> i wonder ho hard it'll be to unsolder the ~32 pin dip socke
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:25 < password2> socket
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:35 < FreezingCold> password2: why didn't you get a 40 pin zif socket
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:35 < evilbetty> my advice is buy a socket
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:37 < voxadam> R0b0t1: Asside from compiling packages what made you spring for the i7?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:39 < password2> FreezingCold, i soldered my own
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:43 < FreezingCold> Why
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:45 < ketas> ryao: maybe...
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:48 < FreezingCold> ZIF sockets are lovely things
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:50 < voxadam> Are you one of those "serious" gammers or somethign?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:51 < password2> because easy
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:38:55 < FreezingCold> zif is easier
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:38:55 < evilbetty> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:03 < password2> i have a ZIF socket
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:10 < R0b0t1> voxadam: Essentially the fact I compile a lot of stuff anyway. As a plus, running gentoo is no problem.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:11 < evilbetty> i have an i7 too and i played 1 game on it :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:39:12 < FreezingCold> use it
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:15 < ryao> ketas: You only have to trust the code with source. With binaries, you need to trust both the guy building them and the source.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:19 < evilbetty> but its a 1st gen i7
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:20 < R0b0t1> CPU doesn't bottleneck games :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:25 < password2> i want to add it , but a 32pin dip socket is soldered in
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:28 < ketas> ryao: indeed, BUT
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:28 < R0b0t1> CPU bottlenecks compiling
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:39:35 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:35 < R0b0t1> about the worst thing you can do on a CPU is compile something
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:38 < evilbetty> i got it because back then i7 kicked everything's ass :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:39:39 < FreezingCold> I think I smell something melting
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:42 < ketas> ryao: there are always just more than just two people
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:43 < evilbetty> so i got an extreme :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:39:43  * nullvibe dislikes i7s since they're not multi-proc-friendly
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T21:39:43 < FreezingCold> but I have no clue what
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:40:03 < evilbetty> then get a xeon :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T21:40:11 < ryao> ketas: See Debian OpenSSL and imagine what would happen if that was dine to the binary.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:09:34 < evilbetty> on that superlong page woith only a handfull of pci-e ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:09:35 < _abc_> ketas: RH increases with decreasing temperature normally.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:09:36 < ketas> _abc_: and you only need to worry about condensation?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:09:43 < FreezingCold> Did you guys see that $450 1TB SSD?
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:09:45 < FreezingCold> Insane
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2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:09:51 < Nach0z> FreezingCold: the Samsung?
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:09:52 < ketas> _abc_: it surely doesn't condensate there
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:09:53 < evilbetty> i was wrong
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:09:53 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:09:59 < FreezingCold> good old sammy
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:10:00 < evilbetty> its 0.68GB/$1
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:10:05 < Nach0z> samsung <3
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:10:05 < _abc_> ketas: If you use SSDs you need to worry a little. If you use spinning disks which can get cold (shut down etc) you need to worry a lot.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:13:33  * nullvibe blames lack of wear-levelling, among other things
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:13:36 < voxadam> kludge: I totally agree. I really wish the wine industry would get over their love affair with natural cork.
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T22:13:40 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: they die pretty quick
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:13:44 < kludge> _abc_: I have a case of bordeaux that I inherited from my wife's ex when he died, which is almost certainly all bad.  I am afraid to even open some of them.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:13:50 < voxadam> Synthetic corks are so much bette.
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T22:13:53 < evilbetty> a good usb3 stick is pretty fast
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:13:48 < evilbetty> i speak a word of french :p that helps :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:13:57 < evilbetty> baguette, camembert
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:14:11 < evilbetty> sinonson pournepont conclepeze le cochon
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T23:14:17 < FreezingCold> heh, the workforce industry is bullshit
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:14:34 < evilbetty> and they have rusty renaults and peugeots :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T23:14:35 < FreezingCold> classmates of mine who can barely speak english are getting calls for interviews, I'm getting nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T23:14:39 < FreezingCold> bulll
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:14:59 < voxadam> Though, you can get a dedicated server with a Xeon E3 1225v2, 32 gigs of memory, 2x2TB of disk space, and a 200Mbps gaurentee.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:19:36 < evilbetty> i have those thingies
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:19:46 < MasterAccurate> it's easy to spy the police with a SDR stick =D
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:19:48 < evilbetty> but i got fm receivers
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T23:19:53 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: I bricked a nice bluetooth rs232 module
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:19:55 < MasterAccurate> if you are mafioso
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:19:55 < evilbetty> n,ot here
2014-05.log:2014-05-05T23:19:56 < FreezingCold> pretty easy to setup
2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:20:02 < MasterAccurate> digital?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-05T23:20:12 < MasterAccurate> TETRA is just decoded
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:56:03 < JFK911> i can see the liquid fuel being sprayed, and other people photographed it
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:56:15 < alesan> the actual liquid part does not burn, only the wapors
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:56:51 < alesan> the example is more extreme with diesel fuel, if you throw it on the cold ground it will not burn even with an open flame
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:56:59 < SpeedEvil> Liquid can burn - for example - steel.
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:57:07 < JFK911> i made steel burn before
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T01:57:14 < alesan> it only burns in gaseous form
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:02:45 < steverrrrrrr> what is the benefit of turning on a BJT harder when used in saturation mode as a switch
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:02:52 < JFK911> all caps title
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:02:57 < steverrrrrrr> why put more base current
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:03:27 < steverrrrrrr> more than is needed to be in the saturation region
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:03:31 < SpeedEvil> steverrrrrrr: less voltage across collector-emitter - less wattage
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:03:53 < SpeedEvil> steverrrrrrr: Vce always decreses as you increase Ib - even in saturation
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:04 < SpeedEvil> yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:09  * SpeedEvil is not awake
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:16 < ohsix> alesan: replace the valves? if they don't seat it'll be funky, nevermind being bent
2014-05.log:2014-05-06T02:09:28 < FreezingCold> man my stomach has been in a bit of pain all day
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:38 < JFK911> hopefully you can look under the top cover and see if valves are bent
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:43 < ohsix> i don't know what you and JFK911 have spoken about before wrt. did you have an engine skip time where the piston interferes with the valves?
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:44 < steverrrrrrr> oh yes, i see it now
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:09:51 < alesan> ohsix, to replace them, I need to remove the head, right?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-06T02:10:02 < FreezingCold> I really need to stop planning dates in advanced, I should just text "hey, let's hang out in ten" so I don't have to deal with pressure
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:06 < ohsix> yea that's where they are
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:06 < voxadam> This has to be one of the strangest dev boards I've ever run across. It has an ARM Cortex-M3 from ST, a 3" LCD, USB host and device, 2x rs232, SD reader, CANbus RS485, ethernet, FM reciever, IR, and to top it all off a dual channel oscilloscope interface. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARMFLY-STM32F103ZE-board-V3-0-3-0-touch-LCD-/220810059252
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:09 < alesan> and, would it be advisable to remove the head anyway to assess what is wrong?
2014-05.log:2014-05-06T02:10:28 < FreezingCold> voxadam: how much?
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:33 < steverrrrrrr> so it is better to put in more base current dropping 0.7V than have the Vce raise by a tiny bit, assumign the switched load is significantly large
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:34 < voxadam> US$120
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T02:10:46 < ohsix> there's probably something you can do with compressed air to see if they're seating properly withotu removing it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-06T07:26:18 < Grievre> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-06T07:26:24 < Grievre> So what are you asking now?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T02:45:03 < MarkB2> May I ask for a some help with an amplifier feedback problem?  http://imgur.com/0vMJg88
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T02:45:52 < Astaelan> But once the first P layer attracts an electron, N layer is already wanting to give one away, so it's a little confusing what's going on. It's like the N layer is forcing the first P layer to lose an electron constantly, due to the second P layer trying to such through it or something, it's confusing.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T02:48:55 < MarkB2> Or did I manage to construct that matrix incorrectly...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T02:49:40 < Astaelan> Over my head, sorry :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T03:51:32 < tawr> only nickle-based alloys (hastalloy, inconel) are more sluggish than stainless, bleh
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T03:52:03 < tawr> but there is no reason why you can't do it that way. it will work, it just won't be as efficient as it could be (like most things in this world.. compromises have to be made)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T03:54:20 < retrosenator> finally wind is dropping so I can scull into marina
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T03:54:56 < retrosenator> was blowing for 6 hours in wrong direction.. so I sit here anchored amongst 100 huge ships, borneo is weird
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:46:54 < fpt2014> sabotender, I was just trying to figure out the easiest way to download a github repository
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:46:55 < JFK911> KVM switches sometimes think this way too
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:47:02 < Astaelan> My general idea for my model, is to connect a TUSB2046B chip to an MCU, maybe like the STM32F100 (but I have that and the STM32F4 discovery boards, to give a couple a try)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:47:37 < JFK911> well i saw some that actually use separate microcontrollers for each side of the usb
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:47:40 < JFK911> and simply talk to each other
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T05:47:42 < Astaelan> And the TUSB takes care of all the signal mixing, so that I only have to deal with it at the MCU level coming in on one USB data pair.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T06:01:45 < JFK911> ohsix: ever since i hacked on oki 900 firmware i never regret learning the 51
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T06:01:59 < ohsix> i just can't feign realistic outrage at someone using something sufficient but old
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T06:02:06 < ohsix> JFK911: yea they're everywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T06:02:15 < JFK911> ti's the one who applied & sold all these 8051s in TUSB chips
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T06:02:25 < JFK911> cant blame people for buying them
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T09:21:35 < password2> maybe a few pull down resistors will help me
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T09:23:15 < ohsix> turn that frown upside down
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T16:42:02 < vegetablesalad19> is there any read or tutorials on how to interface these type of wireless cards ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T16:42:08 < Ice_Strike> jacekowski why?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T16:42:36 < jacekowski> well, wood is ok, but i don't like it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T16:43:04 < jacekowski> but lack of crimps and wire just twisted under a washer is bad
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T20:27:13 < dhrosa> that should at least give you a lower bound on its resistance
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T20:27:43 < FreezingCold> wow, firefox's flash memory leaking
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T20:28:00 < cerberii> im trying to do the tuning right now
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T20:28:09 < cerberii> analogue digital tuning
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T20:28:14 < cheater> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing#Online_audio_example
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:20:47 < steverrrrrrr> yuo'll want to give your nodes a label, like A, B,C
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:20:54 < steverrrrrrr> and call the voltages VA, VB, VC
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:21:08 < FreezingCold> nice, my dash cam is almost setup
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:21:42 < steverrrrrrr> you can call one of the nodes zero volts if you want, usually it makes it eaiser
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:28:06 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> hahahaha
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:28:10 < smeding> ok i did
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:28:20 < steverrrrrrr> well regardless of whether you make any money, its pretty clear that todays new jobs are digital circuits
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:28:24 < smeding> anyway i started taking fun stimulants today, and they've made it a little more quiet in my head
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:28:43 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> that doesn't seem like a fair test. password2 you should punch yourself hard now.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:30:02 < smeding> steverrrrrrr: and that's analog
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:30:06 < JFK911> i knew what resistors and capacitors are from 30 years ago, do i have experience?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:30:17 < steverrrrrrr> yes, hence why the only time ive seen wye-delta transofmraiotn is on the EIT/FE exam
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:30:25 < password2> i should get more breadboard style proto boards
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:31:10 < smeding> password2: solderless?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:31:17 < smeding> i don't like solderless breadboards that much
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:31:25 < password2> no , you solder it
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:34 < FreezingCold> So my dash cam has an adjustable loop setting, from 2 minutes to 5 minutes
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:31:36 < password2> its the same layout as most breadboards
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:38 < FreezingCold> why wouldn't I want to use 2 minutes?
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:43 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what dashcam did you buy
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:52 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i want longer term storage i think
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: G1WH
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:31:58 < JFK911> FreezingCold: is it from china, korea ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:32:02 < FreezingCold> China
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:32:12 < FreezingCold> But with 2 minutes, it's easier to grab just the bits you want
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:32:18 < JFK911> i think different communities have different dashcam fashions
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:32:18 < FreezingCold> otherwise you have to grab the whole 5 minutes
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:32:25 < JFK911> so far ive seen china, korea, russia, and us police
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:32:43 < JFK911> oh also we got them in school buses
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:32:53 < JFK911> they also record onto a hdd and don't erase "loop"
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:32:58 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Why would you want a loop
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:33:02 < JFK911> but they pointing inside the vehicle
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:33:03 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Store all of it forever, duh.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:33:23 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> ^ that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:33:42 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: no, no
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:33:50 < FreezingCold> loop means it'll break it into 2 minute clips
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:33:55 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> OIC
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:33:58 < FreezingCold> it'll keep saving them until the disk is full
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:34:24 < FreezingCold> That's why I can't see why someone wouldn't want to use anything but 2 minutes
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:34:31 < JFK911> oooh ok
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:34:38 < JFK911> well
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:34:43 < JFK911> have you ever used zoneminder
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:34:46 < FreezingCold> but yeah, what's the point of having 5 minute clips instead of 2 minute clips...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:34:50 < password2> lemme see if i can upload an image
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:34:52 < FreezingCold> no, but I've looked into it
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:34:53 < JFK911> that leaves a mess of millions of tiny files
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:35:08 < JFK911> and it should stay in sync with a sql database...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:35:32 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> Maybe this is why, FreezingCold  If there's any delay between clips, the final footage will have many "blips". Also, if you want a longer video complete, you'd have to painfully assemble many more small clips.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:35:49 < JFK911> its pretty easy to cut and join files with virtualdub
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:35:56 < JFK911> so why not
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:36:05 < FreezingCold> HaiGuiseMrJSL: I think they overlap
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:36:13 < FreezingCold> so yeah you would have to match them up I guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:36:16 < smeding> eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:36:26 < smeding> "if you want a longer video, you have to do editing" is what i'm reading there
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:36:30 < smeding> which is... basically always the case?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:36:43 < smeding> unless you're lazy in which case just concatenate them i guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:36:44 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> That's another reason why you wouldn't want short clips, more overlap, more space wasted, harder to assemble, longer to encode the many clips.
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:37:06 < FreezingCold> yeahhh the space wasted
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:37:13 < FreezingCold> k, I'll go with five minuters
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:37:25 < smeding> storage is cheap
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:37:42 < FreezingCold> right, but who doesn't love to maximize it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:37:49 < smeding> redundant array of inexpensive video hosts
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:37:53 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> Was it a cheap setup, FreezingCold , or is that "by clip" how they are all doing it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:38:01 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: wth recording scheme is that
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:38:41 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: it's fat32, they have to do *something*
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:39:32 < FreezingCold> HaiGuiseMrJSL: it's cheap, but it's a really popular model in Canada
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:39:35 < FreezingCold> and probably the US
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:40:24 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> I thought they'd just be large files, low res., not by clip for small files.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:40:38 < FreezingCold> it's 1080p
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:40:42 < FreezingCold> 30fps
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:41:06 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> Yeah, that ends up a pretty big chunk for 5 minutes sometimes.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:46:17 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Ah.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:46:30 < R0b0t1> Well if they were sensible they'd not be using fat32 ._.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:46:48 < R0b0t1> I guess being able to format flashdrives as ntfs is news to them?
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:47:46 < FreezingCold> really fat32 is going to be standard for another decade probably
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:48:05 < R0b0t1> No.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:48:06 < R0b0t1> No.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:48:07 < R0b0t1> NO.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:48:42 < R0b0t1> There's no niche it fills that anybody has to support obsolete stuff making use of that functionality niche.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:49:07 < R0b0t1> Anything that can read fat32 over usb can read ntfs over usb, and if it can't it should be taken out back and shot.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:49:39 < FreezingCold> ntfs still kinda sucks on linux
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:49:50 < R0b0t1> I mean maybe an embedded device would expect fat32 on something, but obviously your camera under question is current and could have used ntfs.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:49:54 < R0b0t1> What? No it doesn't.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:49:58 < R0b0t1> I've never had problems with it.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:53:14 < R0b0t1> Hell I bet *nix supports crazy ntfs stuff better than Windows does.
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:53:16 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I found it slower over a network compared to ext anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:53:31  * R0b0t1 shrugs
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:53:42 < R0b0t1> I can get 10Mb/s to a samba share just fine.
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:53:51 < R0b0t1> (if the share is set up correctly)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:54:11 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> *nix does support better from what I've seen.
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:54:13 < FreezingCold> but the real reason we use fat32 is because people are lazy
2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:54:27 < FreezingCold> tbh for something like a camera, I'd take better hardware over software
2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:54:49 < HaiGuiseMrJSL> *nix filesystems are better, usually.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-07T23:55:28 < FreezingCold> ZFS seems to be a popular choice
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2014-05.log-2014-05-07T23:56:49 < password2> only 10MB/s ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:01:32 < JFK911> jesus. dave is videoing computer screens
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:01:34 < steverrrrrrr> dang frank, this isnt easy
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:01:39 < JFK911> to show a microscope
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:01:52 < steverrrrrrr> so, i think you're right, the cap charges in the wrong way
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:14:41 < LeelooMinai> Well, the last one is a bit lame, but still:)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T01:15:57 < steverrrrrrr> yep, frank, imagine a cap has some charge on it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:21:09 < FreezingCold> yay, installed both my dash cams
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:21:21 < FreezingCold> still have the wire in my face, but meh it's not too bad
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:22:54 < grim4593> Where do you live?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:23:44 < FreezingCold> Canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:24:04 < JFK911> you got one for forward and one for rear?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:24:32 < FreezingCold> na, I cheaped out and only got a front facing one for now
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:28:11 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: TWO dashcams?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:28:28 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: one for each ca
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:28:29 < FreezingCold> *car
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:28:38 < FreezingCold> 1 + 1 = 2
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:28:50 < FreezingCold> or 1 + 1 = 10 if you prefer it that way
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:35:06 < R0b0t1> Daww
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:36:49 < FreezingCold> [19:34:31]  You are being CTCP flooded from R0b0t1, ignoring *!*@unaffiliated/r0b0t1
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:36:53 < FreezingCold> =/
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:36:57 < FreezingCold> was that really needed?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:37:27 < frankdrey> holy crap inducters are cool
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:38:23 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Extremely.
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:38:38 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: use hexchat btw
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:38:45 < R0b0t1> Hm I should have all CTCP ignored
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:38:45 < FreezingCold> xchat isn't really maintained anymore
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:16 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Takes effort :\
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:22 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: How much were dashcams?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:30 < FreezingCold> sudo apt-get install hexchat
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:31 < FreezingCold> ta-da
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:41 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: $45 each, they record at 1080p
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:39:46 < frankdrey> hmmm, is this simulator trippin'?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:39:51 < frankdrey> my inductor is doing crazy things
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:39:55 < FreezingCold> and another $15 for a 32GB microSD card
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:40:05 < FreezingCold> plus $2.50 for a cooler mount
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:40:42 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold, I was wanting 360° coverage. Only doable without lots of money and manual intervention (for managing video) with a board computer or something.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:40:44 < frankdrey> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05072014-044031pm.php
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:40:54 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: link?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:41:12 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: meh, 360 isn't worth it. Cars aren't *that* important
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:41:30 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: http://forums.redflagdeals.com/aliexpress-genuine-g1wh-w-novatek-nt96650-processor-1080p-dash-cam-51-42-cad-1468499/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:41:40 < oscillate> just install an 8 channel dvr
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T02:41:59 < oscillate> 8 video cameras
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T02:54:38 < FreezingCold> why not 32 cameras?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:01:10 < nullvibe> R0b0t1: car computer, zoneminder, and standalone wireless/wired cams then :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:01:50 < FreezingCold> what if I set off an EMP?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:01:57 < FreezingCold> how will you know who broke into your car?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:02:33 < nullvibe> a decent standalone camera unit is like $50-$100, and you can either have something like zoneminder keep track of everything, or you can have them send back images to storage every so often
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:03:08 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: you can only get the cameras you can see ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:03:28 < FreezingCold> EMP should knock everything out
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:03:46 < nullvibe> anything close, yes. doesn't mean there can't be a camera at distance watching everything though
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:04:29 < nullvibe> gotta think LIKE a smart thief to outsmart a smart thief ;)
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:04:50 < nullvibe> or, you know...landmines
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:10:18 < jadew> it actually felt like an improvement in that area, but I still hate the new tabs
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:10:30 < JFK911> nullvibe: no i am not looking at the vm size
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:10:42 < JFK911> windoze user here
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:10:55 < FreezingCold> I had my first majorrrrrr memory leak with flash in firefox
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T03:11:00 < FreezingCold> ate up a massive 10GB
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:11:01 < nullvibe> there's still columns for it in task manager. just have to turn them on
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:11:12 < JFK911> nullvibe: i have them on
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T03:11:40 < nullvibe> well, I don't trust the in-browser memory listings, because they lie
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T05:32:09 < teus> i had horrible experience with expensive PCB drills, they broke like nothing
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T05:32:12 < sabotender> yes..has happened to me before. but they stay sharper longer when used as directed
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T05:32:14 < oscillate> when sweat drips in my glasses I'm blind
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T05:32:30 < teus> then i went with the cheapest drills from chinese ebay. they flex, and if i break one i dont care, theyre only 10-20 cents each
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T05:32:33 < sabotender> oscillate: what are you doing that makes you sweat so much?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:32:30 < dhrosa> do lithium ions care if they're charged with a small current?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:32:38 < dhrosa> during CC?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:33:56 < ShadowJK> not really
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:40:45 < mfc> can i simply use a wire?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:40:53 < hooliogan132> Im thinking i just need to delete the cameras leds and add them to a separate circuit it would be much easier to do... using a 12v PIR and a simple solid state relay
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:40:54 < R0b0t1> yes.
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:40:58 < FreezingCold> oh nice, I still have a VPN connection to my old college
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:41:03 < mfc> thanks a tons!
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:41:05 < FreezingCold> andddd VNC to the free remote desktops
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:41:05 < hooliogan132> are the leds special?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:41:07 < FreezingCold> nice
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:41:36 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: You do understand the laws around what constitutes "unauthorized access," right?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:41:59 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: it's my account =/ and to be fair, the new semester only started this week
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:42:06 < FreezingCold> so they might clean up all the old accounts soon
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:42:56 < nullvibe> yeah, not unauthorized use
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:43:18 < nullvibe> someone on the other end might be incompetent and/or lazy, but that's about it :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:44:28 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: They can so much as tell the court they didn't grant you access
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:44:32 < R0b0t1> and that's all that would matter.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:44:37 < R0b0t1> It doesn't matter if you still had an account.
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:44:49 < FreezingCold> well, maybe if I log in a few years from now
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T18:45:04 < R0b0t1> You made it sound like it shoulda been deleted already, lel
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:45:22 < FreezingCold> I thought it was
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T18:46:01 < FreezingCold> but yeah the court wouldn't listen to that, because the semester literally ended days ago and there's still legit uses for my account (like getting data off the network drive)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:04:40 < Hyratel1> hmmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:04:43 < dhrosa> I hate 0805/0603 LEDs :(, why is the direction marker on the back!?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:05:02 < password2> they are little under 3mm in length
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T19:05:45 < FreezingCold> I smell flowers
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T19:05:47 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T19:05:51 < FreezingCold> there's flowers in front ofme
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:05:53 < password2> i think its 1208 , if I'm not mistaken
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T19:05:54 < FreezingCold> that would explain it
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:06:10 < dhrosa> this li-ion charger is clearly not accurate, it's been charging at 0.1amps for 28 minutes... and its delivered a total of 47maH?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:06:27 < dhrosa> wait nvm
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:06:29 < dhrosa> I can't do math
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:41:29 < Gigs-> I guess the benefit is that the arms only knead a small section at a time
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:41:35 < _abc_> That's as strong as 4 men ;)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:41:58 < alesan> SpeedEvil, those gears are available for 9 bucks on the Internet, but Cotsco made it so simple to get a fully new one...
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:42:03 < SpeedEvil> :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:42:05 < _abc_> How come you people have room for these monsters?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:47:45 < _abc_> and ...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:48:10 < alesan> ahhh forget about it, the first thing dealers do is to completely ruin the paint of cars
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:48:20  * _abc_ saw that coming
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:48:25 < r0b-> hey _abc_
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T19:48:31 < _abc_> hi
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:34:27 < Hodapp> people still use the TI-83+?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:34:39 < FreezingCold> Is it possible with Android to "forward" USB OTG devices to a VNC connection?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:34:46 < FreezingCold> I tried to find a usbip port with no luck
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:35:55 < FreezingCold> Well, I found one but it's partly written in Korean
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:35:56 < zigggggy> HODAPP
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:35:59 < FreezingCold> And doesn't work either
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:37:05 < Hodapp> ZIGZOG
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:37:07 < Hodapp> WHAT
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:39:47 < zigggggy> hi :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:40:42 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: There's a protocol for USB over TCP/IP.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:40:49 < R0b0t1> I dunno what it's called, but I know there is one.
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:40:53 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yep, it works very nicely
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:40:57 < FreezingCold> usbip
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:49:29 < archivist> about time too
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:50:24 < Polesch> Yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T22:50:57 < FreezingCold> nice, what model?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:52:33 < Hodapp> zigggggy: hi!
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:52:58 < Polesch> Agilent U1272A
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T22:53:12 < SpeedEvil> Polesch: has it arrived yet?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:16:44 < hagbard> But, I'll be honest - I have never used one myself. I don't know how forgiving the whole situation is.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:17:14 < hagbard> Also, my university, where I got most of my experience, was a somewhat, "fuck it. good enough for government work." type of place - noone ever measured anything.
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:17:16 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Bluetooth-Wireless-White-Keyboard-for-PC-Macbook-Mac-ipad-2-iphone-/301120059673?pt=US_Tablet_Docking_Stations_Keyboards&hash=item461c277919
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:17:17 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:17:20 < FreezingCold> wonder how decent that is
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:18:06 < hagbard> They'd run 100m of om4 multimode and try to light it up with 10GBase-LRM.. Of the four pairs, only two worked. Solution? Run another four pairs of singlemode.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:18:11 < hagbard> and buy more expensive optics.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:18:25 < FullDive[Seya]> Now then, would you be able to make an audio amplifier for a speaker using a 2N3771?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:36:11 < R0b0t1> Polesch: wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:36:13 < R0b0t1> Polesch: all my wuts
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:36:45 < R0b0t1> Is VAT like a import tax or general tax? Does it intentionally end up being protectionist?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:36:50 < FreezingCold> fuck, I always hate getting calls for job intervies
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:36:53 < FreezingCold> *interviews
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:37:04 < FreezingCold> I'm unemployed and kinda want a job, but at the same time I hate it
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:38:04 < R0b0t1> What kind of jobs are these?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:38:14 < R0b0t1> I am at a job, look at how much I am on IRC!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:16 < davidc__> Most Wifi chipsets actually have an ARM inside to run the baseband
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:22 < davidc__> or mips
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:39:31 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: all technician jobs
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:39:32 < FreezingCold> so no IRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:34 < R0b0t1> yeah but can you access the arm/mips? from what I've found usually nope
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:37 < ohsix> no you need  a wifi widget
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:50 < davidc__> R0b0t1: atheros has an open-source firmware for one of their product lines
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:39:55 < R0b0t1> hmm.
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:40:04 < davidc__> https://github.com/qca/open-ath9k-htc-firmware
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:09 < FreezingCold> it's a health care installer that just called me
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:15 < FreezingCold> they better have actually read my resume
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:15 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: ew
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:26 < FreezingCold> if I walk into the interview and they ask about experience, I'm gonna be pissed
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:40:27 < ohsix> you can get a module with an antenna and everything in it, but not the other way around
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:35 < FreezingCold> "READ MY FUCKING RESUME" will be my response
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:38 < FreezingCold> well, probably no
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:40:42 < FreezingCold> but in my head I'll say that
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:40:53 < ohsix> they'll have called you in to elaborate about it
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:41:06 < R0b0t1> well, that's what would make sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:07 < FreezingCold> that's probably the case honestly
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:12 < FreezingCold> it annoys me
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:15 < FreezingCold> hence why I hate interviews
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:20 < FreezingCold> don't call me unless you actually want me
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:24 < FreezingCold> and you aren't drunk
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:41:31 < FreezingCold> but that's usually a different reason lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:42:07 < R0b0t1> "The value 199409L signifies the 1989 C standard as amended in 1994, which is the current default; the value 199901L signifies the 1999 revision of the C standard. Support for the 1999 revision is not yet complete. "
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:42:10 < R0b0t1> Excuse me, gcc?
2014-05.log-2014-05-08T23:42:25 < R0b0t1> >stdc99 not supported fully
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:43:14 < FreezingCold> maybe 1991
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:43:24 < FreezingCold> 1999 is still pretty new bro
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:43:35 < FreezingCold> why do you think rappers say "party like it's 1999" in songs still?
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:43:38 < FreezingCold> because it's recent
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2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:48:57 < FreezingCold> oh, the job posting doesn't even ask for experience
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:49:05 < FreezingCold> i might get it... though probably at something stupid like $12/h
2014-05.log:2014-05-08T23:49:09 < FreezingCold> whatever I guess, it's close to my house
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:13:10 < darsie> Hey, why have you stopped talking?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:13:43 < FreezingCold> I ran out of things to say
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:13:58 < FreezingCold> I called up and have an interview tomorrow, so I guess that's news
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:19:58 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:20:27 < sabotender> ah, a nice teeth brushing and gargle with denatured hydrogen peroxide
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:20:45 < sabotender> ooh, good luck, FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:20:49 < sabotender> :-D
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:21:09 < R0b0t1> sabotender: Try it with ~20%
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:21:11 < R0b0t1> trololololo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:27:30 < ub|k> http://imgur.com/dtL28Rz
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:27:32 < ub|k> any clue?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:28:00 < FreezingCold> darsie: installing health care equipment at old rich peoples houses
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:28:09 < FreezingCold> ever heard of shoppers drug mart? that's the company
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:28:14 < FreezingCold> it's massive in canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:28:18 < darsie> no
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T00:30:52 < FreezingCold> brb
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:58:54 < SpeedEvil> If there is one path with a billion times the resistance of another - a billionth of the current will flow
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:59:43 < utopian> Enough zaid
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T00:59:44 < utopian> Thankz
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T01:01:11 < steverrrrrrr> does the ground has resistnace?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T01:01:20 < cambazz> well i am having some trouble with serial protocols, namely spi. i got this GY951 module, and i programmed it into transmittting 12 bytes from spi
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T01:01:34 < cambazz> on the arduino side, i also made it receive spi
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T02:09:16 < Mdx4> HF <-- military surplus NOW :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T02:09:25 < JFK911> L2140 and L2160 series inductors are too much
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T02:09:38 < JFK911> and this thing set up very tightly
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T02:09:50 < FreezingCold> For most robot controllers from the 90s, do you think they'd be using a MAX232 on the DB9 connector?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T02:10:00 < JFK911> normal adhoc engineering is to stretch coils out until it works
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T02:10:05 < JFK911> but this dont produce a very efficient result
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:49:38 < Mr_Sheesh> probably best if the DPDT switch has a central 'off' position, too, FullDive[Seya]
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:49:47 < FullDive[Seya]> Mr_Sheesh, I wish it did ;-;
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:49:49 < FreezingCold> How many voltages are car chargers again?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:49:49 < FullDive[Seya]> Such a shame it doestn'.
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:49:50 < FreezingCold> 9V?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:49:55 < FreezingCold> oh 12V
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:50:02 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: 14v
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:50:07 < Mr_Sheesh> Triffid_Hunter - Good thought, and I can get a cheapie camera and rip out the filter, worst case, that'll do TY :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:50:12 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: Mr_Sheesh: monochrome cameras rarely have ir cut filter
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:50:20 < Triffid_Hunter> Mr_Sheesh: yw :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:50:58 < Mr_Sheesh> break before make to fix the typo
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:07 < Triffid_Hunter> LeelooMinai: yeah that's the one, shouldn't matter too much for experimenting
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:10 < JFK911> Mr_Sheesh: arent they the cheapest sort?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:51:22 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: how many amps?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:23 < Mr_Sheesh> JFK911 - I just haven't seen any, I'll have to look
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:32 < JFK911> sorry i didnt realize that most people have them in phones
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:51:37 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: no idea, it's FullDive[Seya]'s project
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:42 < JFK911> i avoid this phone stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:51:49 < Mr_Sheesh> my phone doesn't but the new camera is s'posed to be inbound
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:51:49 < FreezingCold> who's FullDive[Seya] ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:52:03 < FullDive[Seya]> Me.
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:52:37 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: oh wait, you're asking about your car charger, got crossed conversations :/
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:52:47 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:52:58 < ohsix> hot crossed buns
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:53:02 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: depends, they advertise what current they can handle
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:53:14 < JFK911> i have some crappy small mono cameras around here
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:53:31 < JFK911> i figured they were more common
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:53:38 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: is dual USB ports asking a lot?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:53:42 < FreezingCold> I'm asking because I burnt two out
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:54:08 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: you want a 12v lead acid charger with usb ports?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:54:23 < FreezingCold> uh, like the cig lighter
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:54:38 < ohsix> fuse, outlet
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:54:42 < FreezingCold> sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:54:52 < FreezingCold> yeah, I guess cig lighter isn't that accurate anymore since they don't come with lighters
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:54:53 < utopian> I'm eslfix
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:55:14 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: phone charger won't take much, usb port will only give 5w or so.. 10w at 12v is less than an amp
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:55:33 < FreezingCold> see I didn't thinking I was asking too much...
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:55:36 < FreezingCold> shitty electronics
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:56:19 < JFK911> that lighter connector is stupid why cant we destroy it
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:56:29 < FreezingCold> cause LEGACYYYYYYYYYY
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:56:38 < FreezingCold> and the auto industry is pretty retarded
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:56:39 < JFK911> it is a terrible connector
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:56:58 < FreezingCold> dude, these are the same people who think they need to reinvent a nav system for every car lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:56:59 < JFK911> especially if the connectors being used with a lighter
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:57:15 < JFK911> well they cant agree on a standard yet
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:57:30 < FreezingCold> Why not USB...? Everything except my laptop would be fine with that
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:57:31 < pnorman> I've built stuff with those connectors. They're annoying to build with.
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:58:00 < pnorman> FreezingCold: well, lighter connectors can do 10A at 12V, doubt USB can
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T04:58:09 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: usb3 has a new high power spec that could run many laptops
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:58:23 < Triffid_Hunter> pnorman: all the ones I've seen are rated 15A
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:58:27 < JFK911> 10A if everything is nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T04:59:26 < Cprossu> 10A and melting stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:00:05 < Cprossu> (was thinking about a cigarette lighter and a crappy inverter)
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:00:13 < Cprossu> 10A and melting stuff :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:00:25 < ohsix> there really isn't such a thing as a nice set of connectors either
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:00:30 < FreezingCold> hmm, aside from my car, I wonder where I can find a 12V source
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:00:38 < JFK911> many connectors are nicer than the 12v auto penis
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:00:38 < FreezingCold> might just change some battery together
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:00:39 < ohsix> replace it with a #10 base and screw things in amirite
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:00:44 < FreezingCold> *chain
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:00:52 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: got any 3S lipos for RC stuff?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:01:01 < FreezingCold> na
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:01:19 < JFK911> powerpoles can be made pretty cheap
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:02:37 < JFK911> same thing with fastons molded into a housing, which would be better
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:04:02 < FreezingCold> brb grabbing 9V's
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:05:25 < FreezingCold> so I assume the springy side is the +14V?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:06:09 < FreezingCold> k I've got 15V
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:06:13 < FreezingCold> close enough
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:07:49 < Noxz> so.. how possible is mili-micro etching of silicon is at home?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:08:22 < davidc__> Noxz: mili-micro?
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:08:41 < Noxz> a slight refference to what LeelooMinai mentioned
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:09:03 < Noxz> like, I am interested in MEMS.. but not really for the purpose of MEMS.. more so for making tiny gears
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:09:47 < FreezingCold> the center pin is +14V, no?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:11:23 < FreezingCold> yeah shit is broken
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:14:10 < JFK911> yeah center pin of the penis is +14v
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:14:12 < JFK911> the sides are ground
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:19:20 < FreezingCold> yeah this one was the same
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:19:26 < FreezingCold> finally managed to read the name of the frigging tiny chip
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:19:27 < FreezingCold> FR9886
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:19:46 < FreezingCold> let's see if it's truly rated for 1A or not...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:20:23 < FreezingCold> i'm going to take a wild guess and say no
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:20:47 < FreezingCold> wtf it's rated for 2.5A
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:20:58 < FreezingCold> *HOW*
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:21:29 < FreezingCold> how can such a tiny chip manage over 10 watts
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:22:05 < FreezingCold> oh, there we go
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:22:07 < FreezingCold> it's lying
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:22:47 < FreezingCold> it can only do 2W
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:23:22 < FreezingCold> How can I tell from looking at a PCB if it's exposed pad or not?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:25:45 < JFK911> prayer and giant light
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:25:47 < JFK911> i guess
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:25:54 < FreezingCold> but it's under the circuit lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:26:28 < JFK911> most pcb are not fully opaque
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:26:40 < JFK911> you can see through them with luminous power
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:27:18 < LeelooMinai> Unless they are 4 layers and up:)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:27:55 < LeelooMinai> Usually they do - power and grond planes are usually inside
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T05:28:01 < LeelooMinai> ground*
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:30:58 < FreezingCold> I just heated the pins up and pried it off lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:31:09 < FreezingCold> it's an exposed pad, so it's not as bad as it could have been
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:31:32 < FreezingCold> still, it's only rated for 416 mA for TWO usb ports
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T05:34:40 < FreezingCold> idiots
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:16:07 < DanDare> I see
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:16:24 < Casper> hjf_: my main issue is: how to use many of them without them interfering with each others....
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:16:32 < Casper> and having a reliable communication
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:17:07 < JFK911> FreezingCold: hey look http://www.sq.com.tw/index.php/en/product/inside-soc
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:17:11 < hjf_> Casper: never used them, but the mrf24 are reliable
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:17:23 < utopian> wat
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:17:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: what's that for?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:17:49 < JFK911> FreezingCold: didnt you just rig up some dashcams?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:17:53 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:17:55 < Casper> the guy that made the site...  kinda fucked up
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:18:00 < JFK911> FreezingCold: these are dash-cam soc
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:18:03 < Casper> the labels are 2x1.25"
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:18:07 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I didn't have to solder a BGA though :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:18:18 < Casper> so he made the site so it print on 2x1.25"
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:18:21 < JFK911> FreezingCold: LAZY
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:18:37 < Casper> add the tiny margin, and you ends up with more than 1.25"
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:18:39 < JFK911> but seriously you never thought about firmware hacking a device?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T07:18:41 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'll pay $100 if you fly out to my place and install that chip in  my car
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:18:44 < Casper> most likelly 1.26"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T07:19:08 < Casper> so a proprelly configured label ends up with a correct label and an empty one
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T09:30:42 < tawr> I was just a driver that went in circles
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T09:30:45 < DanDare> Well, they will say, ocasionally (Hey, I didn't know youo could scream that loud" :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T09:31:34 < Frigid_Cryotank> DanDare: Well, I once clapped my hands when a design engineer used a metal screwdriver to crowbar an expensive IC out of a socket.  He didn't know the power supply was off...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T09:31:53 < DanDare> hahahah
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:33:23 < joem_> i have a 24V 20A 480W power supply that decided to set itself on fire
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:33:40 < R0b0t1> was it fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:33:42 < joem_> worth trying to fix? or just replace it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:33:46 < joem_> scared the crap outta me
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:34:00 < R0b0t1> I mean you can look at it I guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T17:34:15 < R0b0t1> did it stand up to the fire pretty well...?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:30:18 < FreezingCold> Why does recharging a non-rechargeable battery sometimes sorta work?
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:32:36 < FreezingCold> you create a nuclear device
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2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:39:43 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold, there's actually a variant of alkaline batteries that are rechargeable
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:39:54 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: yeah I was reading that on stack
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:40:25 < SpeedEvil> shitty rechargables.
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:40:52 < SpeedEvil> About their only virtue is when you need low-current light rechargables that can be recharged several times
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:40:55 < SpeedEvil> Which...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:45:09 < medfly> and I thought I use a lot of batteries with my small mp3 player that runs on one :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:45:20 < SpeedEvil> They last almost forever in there
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:46:14 < ShadowJK> headphones (welll, hearing protectors with bluetooth and stuff) runs a pair of AA per week
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:49:00 < FreezingCold> I remember my dad used to insist we use rechargeable batteries, and he would literally keep them for a decade lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T22:49:13 < FreezingCold> they'd die before the end of the day if you needed to use them in a camera or something
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:49:40 < SpeedEvil> It depends on the battery and the way  it's treated.
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T22:49:52 < SpeedEvil> NiCd can last a very, very long time if treated well
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2014-05.log-2014-05-09T23:06:58 < ShadowJK> They looked at options, and finally concluded that the cheapest way to power it, is to just go buy a bunch of D alkalines and stuff it full of them
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T23:07:58 < FreezingCold> I just love it when huge investment companies rip off websites word for word lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T23:08:11 < ShadowJK> 9,216 batteries, to be exact :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-09T23:08:22 < R0b0t1> that's... a lot of batteries.
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T23:08:24 < FreezingCold> I'm reading a Canadian FTZ that was copied word for word from a US FTZ, so it starts talking about the American benefits lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T23:08:44 < R0b0t1> That's okay, FreezingCold, we know there's only one country that matters.
2014-05.log:2014-05-09T23:08:51 < FreezingCold> CANADAAAAAA
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:12:17 < SpeedEvil> Seeker`: is it a buck converter?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:12:28 < Seeker`> SpeedEvil: yus
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:16:31 < FreezingCold> lol, HR companies
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:16:48 < FreezingCold> this one that contacted me believes they can get a fully licensed electrician for $30/hr
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:16:50 < FreezingCold> hehehehe
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:20:27 < ShadowJK> I know electricians with S2 license that would be overjoyed to work for $30/hr
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:21:48 < Seeker`> even @ 120C/W, that should only be 5C over ambient
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:21:53 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: what country...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:22:42 < ShadowJK> Finland :-)
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:22:45 < FreezingCold> ahh
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:22:58 < ShadowJK> Coworker recently passed the exam
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:22:59 < FreezingCold> the only way to get certified is to work under somebody already certified, and they're all apart of unions, which pays out $50/h
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:23:09 < FreezingCold> funny how canada claims we're a free market
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:23:11 < FreezingCold> bulllllshitttttt
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:23:14 < ShadowJK> I discovered it's sort of like that here
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:23:30 < ShadowJK> You can't just take exam
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T00:23:39 < FreezingCold> yeah, fucking stupid
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:23:40 < ShadowJK> Well, you CAN, but it wont mean anything
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T00:24:02 < ShadowJK> You need to have attended 3 years of education in some specific field
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:12:16 < voxadam> 20 MHZ 8-bit AVR, 32KB flash, 1k EEPROM, 2K SRAM,...
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:12:33 < voxadam> Plenty capable for little one off projects.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:12:34 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: There you go - it's hilarious
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:12:46 < FreezingCold> soooo, I'm gonna buy a mechanical keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:12:48 < FreezingCold> bout time
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:12:53 < voxadam> LeelooMinai: What would be reasonable in your mind?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:13:03 < voxadam> An 84 MHz ARM
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:13:03 < FreezingCold> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823830001
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:13:04 < voxadam> ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:13:14 < FreezingCold> I also bought a OTG cable so I can plug it into my Nexus 7 tablet hahaha
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:13:20 < FreezingCold> I should totally carry around a keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:13:45 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: First of all, 8-bit for hobbyists is silly - it's 2014 and there's no need to stick to limitations that were there in 80s because that was cutting endge tech then
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:14:04 < FreezingCold> there's no reason to use arduino ever
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:14:10 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:14:14 < FreezingCold> use a M0/M0+
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:14:21 < FreezingCold> works with most applications
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:14:22 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: Use M0
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:14:42 < voxadam> The M0/M)+ is a great MCU.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:14:49 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: You can buy $10 Nucleo board with nice arm on board and detachable programmer thrown in "for free"
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:15:15 < FreezingCold> voxadam: for hobbyist, I would recommend PIC's new PIC32 lineup, they use straight GCC
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:15:21 < FreezingCold> it's quite nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:15:54 < LeelooMinai> I would go with ARM - it's much more future-proof
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:16:09 < LeelooMinai> And you can use gcc of course
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:16:50 < LeelooMinai> voxadam: If you like those overpriced Arduino shields, Nucleo boards have even compatible headers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:21:28 < hagbard> zigbee? zigBOO!
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:22:00 < LeelooMinai> That's another thing - I would never go with Atmel - they have history of overpricing stuff... There are much nicer choices like STM and NXP
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:22:12 < FreezingCold> for microchip you can usually get their crap in DIP
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:22:16 < FreezingCold> so you dont need a dev board
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:22:54 < LeelooMinai> Compare it to $10 STM dev boards
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:23:05 < LeelooMinai> Which are not worse in any respect
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:23:45 < voxadam> I should get a couple of those STM32 Discovery boards to play with.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:27:57 < d-snp> I can't find any documentation about the device, the whole company is some obscure swedish business that doesn't seem like it's changed much since 2006
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:28:18 < FreezingCold> d-snp: what device?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:28:29 < d-snp> a Craycom(r) RFID tag reader
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:28:49 < d-snp> their slogan is: "Stays in touch"
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:28:51 < FreezingCold> what kind of power input does it take?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:28:55 < d-snp> yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:29:06 < d-snp> oh eh a circular one :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:29:12 < d-snp> it fits almost any adapter..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:34:19 < Astaelan> ElJaso: As in more consistent.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:34:46 < joem_> yeah, the magnetic flux field generated by just a couple of coils is turbulent and... "dirty"
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:34:47 < FreezingCold> d-snp: what's the stock voltage?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:04 < joem_> also, you have to look at coil impedence
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:07 < ElJaso> Ah, so the efficiency really doesn't change by adding more coils?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:13 < joem_> a 2-turn coil would likely vaporize even without a load
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:22 < Astaelan> ElJaso: I may be wrong, but I believe you'll have more voltage variation with less coils.
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:35:34 < d-snp> FreezingCold: I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out, LeelooMinai told me to look at the regulators, and there's one big one that's configurable from 5-20v
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:41 < d-snp> so that's no good I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:35:44 < joem_> ElJaso, whats it for?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:35:50 < nofxx> joem_, FreezingCold  ahh...   thanks
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:36:10 < ElJaso> Uh, I need to do a high school physics project
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:36:16 < FreezingCold> d-snp: meh, just feed 3v to start and slowly raise it until the device clicks on. Based on that, you should be able to guess (ie, if it clicks on at 4V, it probably wants 5V)
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:36:17 < joem_> i built a diy spot welder out of a transformer
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:36:23 < LeelooMinai> d-snp: If it's 5-20V, you could try 12V and see if anything gets too hot
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:36:26 < joem_> 120 turns on the primary, and 4 turns on the secondary
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:36:35 < FreezingCold> nofxx: thanks for what? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:36:36 < ElJaso> And I was thinking of finding the relationship between the number of coils and efficiency, but I guess that wouldn't work
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:36:41 < FreezingCold> what did I do lol?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:36:48 < nofxx> FreezingCold, zener answer
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:36:56 < FreezingCold> wasn't me :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:37:12 < nofxx> hahah sorry... was SpeedEvil ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:37:30 < FreezingCold> I'll take credit anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:37:32 < FreezingCold> you're welcome
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:37:36 < joem_> perfect transformer: http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02307.png
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:37:46 < joem_> transformer with flux variance: http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/02336.png
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:38:34 < d-snp> alright, I like both those approaches, thanks FreezingCold, LeelooMinai :) I'll just try a bunch of adapters
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:38:39 < ElJaso> Hm
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:38:53 < FreezingCold> d-snp: do my approach. use a bench power supply that you can change
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:38:58 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai is making life hard :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:11 < d-snp> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:15 < ElJaso> So, is that just caused by the eddy current?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:21 < LeelooMinai> What if he doesn't have one? :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:22 < d-snp> I don't have a bench supply yet
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:26 < SpeedEvil> flux variance - you mean core saturation?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:39:41 < FreezingCold> d-snp: didn't you say you have a variable supply?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:39:47 < d-snp> I do have a variac, and a regulator circuit, can I combine those, would that work?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:40:05 < FreezingCold> [18:24:19] <d-snp> could I power it from a variable power supply? test what the lowest voltage it is that it turns on?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:40:05 < d-snp> FreezingCold: I was considering getting one :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:40:27 < LeelooMinai> d-snp: Just put finger on he reulator ic and plug in some 12V or less supply:)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:40:37 < FreezingCold> I don't have one, most of my life is 3.3V or 5V at the moment
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:41:06 < LeelooMinai> d-snp: There's small chance the plug has weird polarity, - on tip though
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:41:20 < d-snp> oh lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:41:31 < LeelooMinai> d-snp: But it's small, and you can check the pcb to figure out if this is the case
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:42:18 < LeelooMinai> I have one wall wart that has - though
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:42:24 < d-snp> it's like these guys are deliberately make this thing hard to power :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:42:41 < d-snp> never let swedes design your hardware!
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:42:55 < FreezingCold> d-snp: it's always easier to follow the ground
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:43:05 < FreezingCold> don't try to follow the positive voltage
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:43:16 < FreezingCold> just see what goes to the shield
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:43:18 < LeelooMinai> Mutilauer boards usually have power and ground planes inside
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:43:24 < LeelooMinai> multilayer*
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:43:33 < mutilator> mutilator boards!
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:44:21 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: it'll still go to another connector that's easier to tell
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:44:35 < d-snp> the power is split into a ribbon cable, that goes into a 10 pin header, no shields on the main board
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:44:48  * LeelooMinai notices that her stomach is trying to tell her something
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:44:53 < LeelooMinai> Time to ride the fridge
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:45:54 < FreezingCold> hey, my middle name is fridge ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:46:05 < FreezingCold> okay, sorry, promise that's the only creepy comment I'll make :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:47:00 < d-snp> Freezing "Fridge" Cold?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:47:26 < d-snp> are you a dragonball z villain?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:53:35 < kurt_> And this is exactly why email is not going away.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:54:27 < d-snp> people who say e-mail is dead should say that to my inbox :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:54:32 < FreezingCold> god damn this helicopters are annoying
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:54:34 < FreezingCold> *these
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:54:41 < FreezingCold> they've been flying over my house all day
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T01:54:58 < d-snp> maybe.. you should let the hostages go..
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:55:15 < FreezingCold> we get it, Canada has left afghanistan; I don't get why we have to spend so much money on gas for flying around for lawls
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T01:55:27 < FreezingCold> d-snp: there's none left to let go :>
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:02:33 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold, I am sure the transit is a marginal cost of the whole crusade
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:02:53 < FreezingCold> still, a waste of money is a waste of money
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:02:55 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: never mind that it may not even be military choppers :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:03:29 < ohsix> ride the fridge
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:03:31 < FreezingCold> they are military shoppers, civilian/rescue/police are usually much quieter
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:03:35 < FreezingCold> ohsix: [18:46:57] <d-snp> Freezing "Fridge" Cold?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:03:48 < ShadowJK> The thing to know is: So far nobody has succeeded at conquering afghanistan. If you think you're very special and awesome, go ahead and fail like everyone else
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:04:15 < d-snp> .. were there people trying to conquer afghanistan?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:04:49 < ohsix> raid in bungling bay
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:05:00 < FreezingCold> d-snp: nobody really knows what they were doing there
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:05:32 < FreezingCold> Iraq was "understandable" but afghanistan didn't make any sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:05:40 < FreezingCold> it's an uneducated country that can't do crap
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:05:54 < d-snp> I thought they were there to look at how fucked up things are, and stand idly by :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:05:58 < FreezingCold> if there's a terrorist you want to kill who lives there, just fly over and bomb his house.
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:06:03 < FreezingCold> like how the US deals with Pakistan
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:06:11 < FreezingCold> much more cost effective
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:06:16 < d-snp> meh
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:06:54 < d-snp> I think afghanistan deserves a bit more credit than that, but it's true that our presence there is a bit weird
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:19:31 < ShadowJK> Joule is energy
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:19:42 < FreezingCold> d-snp: all the smart ones leave
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:20:07 < Astaelan> ShadowJK: Great, at least I'm getting some of the shit solid in my head, but what's the abbreviation for energy?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:20:50 < ShadowJK> Astaelan, uh?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:21 < ohsix> plugging it in
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:23 < OoTLink> uhh
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:25 < Casper> define moderm display specs
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:41:28 < FreezingCold> I feel like such a smuck right now
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:28 < ohsix> as long as analogue is ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:29 < OoTLink> sony gdm-fw900
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:37 < OoTLink> has higher res than almost all desktop LCDs do
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:41:37 < FreezingCold> I'm downloading some stupid chat app because a girl asked me to =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:50 < ohsix> my triniboobietron did 2560x something at 100hz
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:41:58 < OoTLink> yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:42:05 < Casper> my 17" nec was doing 2048xsomething
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:47:25 < LeelooMinai> If you want more than 1920 buy a smarphone:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:47:38 < OoTLink> ^ and that's what drives me mad lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:47:54 < hoverboard> y dawg
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:48:07 < FreezingCold> wtf, why do I have dick pics getting sent to snapchat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:48:08 < mutilator> yea but that 7" or 10" screen cost $200 itself
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:48:12 < FreezingCold> i dont even use snapchat
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:48:14 < mutilator> if not more
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:48:37 < OoTLink> no it didn't lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:48:50 < FreezingCold> I can't even block someone unless I add them to my friend list
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:48:52 < FreezingCold> bullshit
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:49:07 < hoverboard> delete snapchat
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:49:11 < hoverboard> that's for teenage girls anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:49:19 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: That's the app your gf asked you to install? :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:49:32 < FreezingCold> Not my gf, but yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:49:46 < FreezingCold> I wasn't going to, but I caved
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:50:11 < OoTLink> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:50:13 < hoverboard> I have it, one chick sends me stupid pics that I can only look at for 3 seconds
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:50:38 < Inkrement> You are not alone there bro :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:50:59 < OoTLink> but she's not my gf, nor do I have any chance of that happening XD
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:51:01 < FreezingCold> meh, I usually wouldn't, but this girl is actually somewhat interesting
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:18 < JFK911> If chatroulette can identify penis photos, then so can a virus.  Maybe someone wrote a virus that uploads your penis collection to snapchat.
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:51:18 < FreezingCold> i don't really care if we date or fuck or whatever, she's nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:25 < hoverboard> I think we just figured out what the ladies are using to seduce men lately
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:34 < OoTLink> yea FC
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:39 < hoverboard> "snapchat" 8 guys: oh yeah that one chick blah blah...
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:40 < OoTLink> tat's pretty much how I feel about that friend too xD
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:51:52 < OoTLink> but she doesn't use snapchat
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:52:01 < OoTLink> or maybe she does and that's how I should figure out she doesn't like me XD
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:52:02 < FreezingCold> she's attractive enough that I would be fine with any outcome
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:52:11 < OoTLink> oh my the fucking comcast
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:52:28 < LeelooMinai> Nad they say that looks are overrated
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:52:28 < hoverboard> have you tried moving your rabbit ears?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:01 < Inkrement> what's wrong with comcast? :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:53:06 < FreezingCold> a random thought, I'd really like to date a russian chick
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:09 < Inkrement> I don't pay too much for it
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:53:15 < FreezingCold> not russian-canadian, real russian :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:22 < hoverboard> I wouldn't pay too much to date a russian chick
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:53:23 < FreezingCold> that accent is pretty awesome
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:53:25 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you're in luck, this is a dating channel
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:53:33 < FreezingCold> ohsix: what else would it be...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:34 < JFK911> Inkrement: comcast operations are complex and they have trouble staying on top of everything.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:41  * hoverboard suchrussiaverylegs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:53:49 < JFK911> some other providers, dont seem to even care (charter)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:00 < Inkrement> I'll tell you what
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:54:04 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Watch The Americans and think again:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:08 < Inkrement> Comcast's "tech support" blows
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:16 < Inkrement> I do their jobs better than they do
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:54:17 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: lemme check imdb
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:25 < Inkrement> I had to help my landlord get their modem fixed
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:32 < JFK911> ah i never tried to ring them.  what do they do, Inkrement, try to upsell you?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:36 < Inkrement> s/landlord/landlords
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:54:38 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: is keri russell playing the russian?
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:47 < LeelooMinai> Yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:54:48 < Inkrement> That, and tell you "you need new equipment"
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:55:01 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: lol, born in cali
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:05 < Inkrement> I said "no, you dumbfucks need to change the config and stop mac limiting to three devices on the modem"
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:21 < Inkrement> I wish i could do an indian accent in text
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:24 < ohsix> CHODE JUST DO IT
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:30 < ohsix> you told them
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:32 < OoTLink> I have a new type of failure with comcast
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:34 < JFK911> comcast has india call centers now?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:55:37 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: [19:53:12] <FreezingCold> not russian-canadian, real russian :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:41 < ohsix> those 'mac limits' are called cpe's
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:42 < Inkrement> I got an indian dude, yea
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:42 < OoTLink> what happens is the connection yo-yos
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:55:42 < FreezingCold> JFK911: everyone has india call centers
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:51 < OoTLink> it'll go fast and slow and fast and slow
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:55:53 < FreezingCold> [19:55:39] <Inkrement> I got an indian dude, yea
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:56 < hoverboard> do you even Bhopal bro
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:56 < ohsix> and you usually, literally have to upgrade the stuff, they're not set arbitrarily
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T02:55:57 < FreezingCold> let's take that out of context
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:55:58 < hoverboard> jajajajajaj
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T02:56:06 < ohsix> you can also get: a router
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T03:38:49 < alesan> or "quick coupler"
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T03:39:54 < pclov3r> would poor shielding in a USB cable cuase a device to come up as unorganized?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:03:50 < ball> FreezingAlt: Yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:03:52 < crised> Astaelan: on the server
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:04:04 < FreezingAlt> ball: I'm just majorly lagging
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:04:14 < FreezingCold> [16:04:05] * Ping reply from FreezingAlt: 3.49 second(s)
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:04:17 < crised> Astaelan: Linux Server, java program listening to  a specific socket
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:04:23 < Astaelan> Well, PPP is link layer stuff. Usually (from my experience) you require a device supporting PPP at the hardware level.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:04:28 < Astaelan> Such as old modems did.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:05:46 < shauno> ppp's quite normal in software.  pptp uses it
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:05:52 < ball> Who was asking about CSD?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:00 < FreezingCold> oh sexy, 100 wpm on my laptop keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:04 < FreezingCold> that's a new record
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2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:16 < Astaelan> crised: For your need, you could as likely just use transmission of a password in the first few bytes, failing to receive it, drop connection.
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:20 < ball> FreezingCold: You have a strange definition of "sexy".
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:26 < Astaelan> PPP is overkill for your needs, but if you insist on using it, you have some learning to do.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:26 < crised> Astaelan: I'm forced to use this archaic gateway, because it's GPRS and has RS485, and is $150
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:41 < crised> Astaelan: I can't mess in the gateway configuration
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:42 < FreezingCold> ball: you wouldn't bang a 100 wpm typist?
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:50 < FreezingCold> ball: it's quite the pants droppee
2014-05.log:2014-05-10T23:06:52 < FreezingCold> *dropper
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:54 < crised> Astaelan: I can only configure it with a simple program
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:06:56 < Astaelan> crised: Then you got some learning to do.
2014-05.log-2014-05-10T23:07:05 < ball> crised: CSD can be handy if you're moving data between two places and don't need it to go via the Internet.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:04:27 < cathode> JFK911 - what did you get rid of this time?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:05:08 < The_Coolest> JFK911 so what garbage did you get rid of?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:05:22 < cathode> i find that craigslist is good for getting rid of crap too. especially if it is heavy or costly to dispose of, people will take it for free
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:05:55 < FreezingCold> hmm, so I'm looking for a cover for my keyboard
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:07:12 < dhrosa> Evidlo: why not just a 555 timer?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:07:57 < Evidlo> dhrosa: The pwm frequency needs to be configurable with a micro
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:08:18 < dhrosa> what speed of PWM? most micros can already do PWM at a range of frequencies
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:08:22 < dhrosa> what frequency*
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:08:39 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: Why not just change the duty cycle?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:08:57 < Evidlo> I'll see if I can find it on the schematic
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:09:20 < Evidlo> FreezingCold: but how do you configure a 555 with a microcontroller?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:10:39 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: why on earth would you use a 555 if you already have a microcontroller?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:11:10 < Evidlo> I need to control 8 motors and I don't want to run pwm everywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:11:17 < Evidlo> noise and all that jazz
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:11:32 < FreezingCold> Hmmm, I need to find a soft case that fits a 135 mm X 285 mm X 20 mm keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:11:46 < Evidlo> bubblewrap
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:11:50 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: are all the motors different speeds?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:11:52 < FreezingCold> er
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:11:55 < FreezingCold> different frequencies
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:12:01 < Evidlo> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:12:05 < Evidlo> identical motors and drivers
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:12:37 < FreezingCold> Do you need to adjust the speed independently, or do you just need on/off?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:12:52 < dhrosa> what pwm frequency do you need? a few 100 hz is not going to couple very high noise onto other wires at all
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:12:54 < FreezingCold> I'm thinking PWM with an AND gate
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:13:46 < Evidlo> Yes I definitely need speed control.  This is going on an ROV
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:14:01 < FreezingCold> ROV?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:14:05 < FreezingCold> rover?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:14:16 < Evidlo> I was talking to someone about running pwm straight.  They said it'd probably be fine but it would never be done in industry
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:14:22 < Evidlo> underwater robot
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:14:34 < DanDare> what
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:15:03 < JFK911> cathode: The_Coolest: part of a broken HDD
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:15:08 < dhrosa> Evidlo: have you considering using a LED driver IC, like the tlc5947? it's serially controlled, can control 24 channels w/ pwm
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:15:12 < JFK911> and lol its totally worth putting it in a box
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:15:15 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: how big are these motors?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:15:38 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: you're going to need a FET or BJT regardless
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:15:39 < Evidlo> 24-50v, 4A continuous, maybe 7-10 peak
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:15:43 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:15:45 < FreezingCold> straight PWM
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:15:46 < FreezingCold> good one
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:16:12 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: buy a variable speed controller meant for a PLC
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:16:41 < FreezingCold> 200 watts sounds like a pain
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:16:42 < Evidlo> The motors have sealed housings in them for the drivers, which are now all burnt out
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:16:55 < hjf> aw crap
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:17:01 < hjf> i wrote this program to decode RC6
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:17:20 < hjf> RC6 they use for like TVs only
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:17:35 < hjf> i only had a TV remote to test, now i got an audio remote.. oops
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:17:46 < hjf> well. RC5 is easier anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:17:47 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:17:56 < Evidlo> dhrosa: Is there anything smaller?  I only need one channel
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:18:18 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: I thought you said you needed 8
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:18:29 < FreezingCold> [22:11:06] <Evidlo> I need to control 8 motors and I don't want to run pwm everywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:18:29 < Evidlo> One channel for each housing
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:18:43 < FreezingCold> what robot are you repairing?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:18:54 < FreezingCold> How did they do it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:19:19 < Evidlo> I'm repairing these to go on a new bot.  They were previously rs485 until they all blew
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:20:11 < FreezingCold> rs485 is a protocol, not a driver
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:20:14 < FreezingCold> or a circuit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:20:40 < Evidlo> I don't know what you're asking then
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:20:44 < cathode> JFK911 - i sold several dead hard drives on ebay for like $10-12/ea
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:20:51 < cathode> a few months ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:20:52 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: what's the name of the old bot?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:21:20 < Evidlo> FreezingCold: Model N.  It wasn't purchased.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:21:49 < Evidlo> Or PotatOS.  These motors went on both.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:24:09 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: btw, are these three phase motors or DC motors?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:26:31 < Evidlo> FreezingCold: DC brushed
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:27:35 < Evidlo> I dhrosa's suggestion of using an led driver
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:28:08 < FreezingCold> MOSFET
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:28:09 < Evidlo> I'm just trying to find one controlled serially or by an analog voltage
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:28:37 < Evidlo> I already have the h-bridge designed, just need the pwm signal to drive it
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:29:17 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: get a MOSFET rated for 250W constant with 400W peak
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:29:59 < FreezingCold> your favorite electronics part site should carry some
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:30:11 < FreezingCold> you may need a heatsink too, it might loss a few watts
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:31:24 < DoYouKnow> ok, it's still not working
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:31:37 < DoYouKnow> I added the resistors (30 ohms)
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:31:42 < Evidlo> I have the hbridge finished already FreezingCold
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:32:53 < DoYouKnow> I also have Data+ connected to data+ on the cable and data- connected to data-
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:33:06 < DoYouKnow> is this a linux issue at this point?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:33:16 < DanDare> Evidlo, im curious. Whats the problem using the uC PWN output?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:33:42 < FreezingCold> DanDare: that's what I'm trying to tell him to do
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:33:50 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: mosfet is for the variable voltage
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:34:01 < FreezingCold> it's got zero to do with the direction
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:35:20 < Evidlo> What variable voltage is there on the control side?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:35:35 < DanDare> Evidlo, its not maybe a good idea using it "straight" out from the uC to the Hbridge. Just isolate it using a mosfet or optocoupler
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:36:36 < FreezingCold> DanDare: that's another problem
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:36:47 < FreezingCold> http://www.robotpower.com/products/osmc_info.html
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:36:49 < FreezingCold> random link
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:36:54 < Evidlo> I think my  micro only has 6 pwm outputs
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:37:38 < FreezingCold> so switch your micro
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:37:44 < FreezingCold> what are you using at the moment?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:37:50 < DanDare> I guess most PWM produced by uC are directly tied to interrupts. I mean, no matter you have code lag, once it was programmed it will keep working
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:37:59 < FreezingCold> you tailor your micro to your project, not your project to your micro
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:38:05 < dhrosa> no, uCs have dedicated PWM hardware
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:38:05 < Evidlo> stm32f103
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:38:16 < dhrosa> the PWM is not dependent on interrupts
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:39:08 < JFK911> cathode: someone gave $25 for a board (other guys sell the board for $60 but offer a service to do rework in the price)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:39:18 < DanDare> ah right, ok.. im just mixing terms
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:39:31 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: probably the f4 series has more PWM
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:39:36 < ec|ipse> Why don't capacitors have leakage ratings? Is it under a different term that I'm not noticing?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:39:46 < dhrosa> yeah caps have leakage current ratings
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:39:49 < JFK911> ec|ipse: they leak when you reverse polarity or exceed WV
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:44:04 < Astaelan> JFK911: I was able to tin the relay side, but the broken connector just wouldn't hold.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:44:15 < dhrosa> if the resistors are meant for impedance matching, then you'd want them before the cable
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:44:18 < Evidlo> DanDare: Any idea if they make these in smaller packages?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:44:19 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: you know what, you can probably just bit bang the I/O ports fast enough eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:44:26 < Astaelan> It's definately copper, color is pretty dead give away, and it's very soft.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:44:45 < DanDare> Evidlo, not sure :( i never played with it really
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:46:47 < Astaelan> JFK911: Yeah, the clip type, male on the relay, female on the wires.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:46:48 < DanDare> Evidlo, http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/product.do?id=TL594
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:46:54 < FreezingCold> oh nice, my prof raised my grade
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T05:47:04 < FreezingCold> wonder why
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:47:15 < Astaelan> And the male connector broke off one contact of the relay, it's a tough solder, but there is no reason why it shouldn't hold on the connector itself...
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:47:26 < JFK911> Astaelan: i think solid copper is to soft to make faston terminals from.  wouldnt copper be less brittle too?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T05:47:28 < Astaelan> If it'll hold on the relay side, and it broke clean, then why not the connector
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:03:29 < JFK911> Your PayPal Account is Now Overdrawn to -$5,000
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:03:35 < Astaelan> Something like that.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:03:39 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Neoprene-Carrying-Protection-Sleeve-Case-for-Apple-Wireless-Keyboard-Magic-Mouse-/221433027756?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Cases_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item338e6fdcac
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:03:43 < FreezingCold> this seems overpricecd
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:03:55 < Astaelan> Collections kept trying to reach me, kept passing it on to the next guy, I kept sending in formal letters, and each time, never heard back from that handler.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:03:59 < Astaelan> Eventually they stopped contacting me.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:04:05 < FreezingCold> just get a lawyer
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:05 < JFK911> Astaelan: so that sucks.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:11 < Astaelan> I take it as having won the case, since my credit wasn't affected.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:04:12 < FreezingCold> I don't understand why people don't like using lawyers
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:04:15 < FreezingCold> it makes life so much easier
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:19 < JFK911> its not worth fighting if he has the cash
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:21 < Astaelan> But Paypal in their infinite wisdom felt the need to ban me.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:22 < srock> i just got 5000 in my nigerian account
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:04:34 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: I already won. Why get a lawyer?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:04:45 < Astaelan> To force paypal to let me use their service? I rather boycott.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:05 < JFK911> Maybe you can complain to the Nuck Department of Banking Regulation / Departement Regulateurs de Banques Nuques
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:28 < JFK911> They are the only ones who can tell them to do anything or not
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:32 < Astaelan> Maybe, but statute of limitations is over, that was like over 10 years ago now
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:42 < Astaelan> Bottom line, paypal has the right to deny anyone service for any reason.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:44 < Astaelan> So fuck'em.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:05:47 < FreezingCold> same with visa?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:55 < JFK911> Eh this could be seen as discrimination down here
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:05:56 < Astaelan> Sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:06:01 < JFK911> And i thought you guys were more sensitive to that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:07:47 < Astaelan> Paypal definately is.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:07:53 < Astaelan> 10+ years ago, that wasn't a known fact.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:08:01 < JFK911> paypal dont want to look at your contract and arbitrate it
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:08:06 < FreezingCold> JFK911: for example, lawyers *always* pay for traffic court
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:08:12 < FreezingCold> there's never a reason /not/ to use one
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:08:15 < FreezingCold> aside from being stupid
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:08:25 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you have to pay to visit court?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:08:36 < FreezingCold> usually no
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:09:11 < Astaelan> Anyway, short answer, no ebay :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:09:33 < JFK911> I bought something on ebay from a banned paypal user
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:09:42 < JFK911> ebay let him collect my payment through "squirrel" or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:06 < Astaelan> I'm sure I could use ebay, but being the paypal umbrella, it's mostly principle that I don't even bother.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:12 < ball> Never buy equipment from squirrels
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:18 < ball> ...they chew the damn cables.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:10:19 < FreezingCold> ball: racist
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:10:28 < FreezingCold> some of my best friends are squirrels
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:28 < JFK911> I wasnt unhappy with the squirrel guy
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:10:32 < FreezingCold> hard workers
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:35 < JFK911> He did me right
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:10:47 < Astaelan> JFK911: That's the killer thing. The sellers are the ones who get boned most of the time.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:11:05 < Astaelan> JFK911: I sell something, legit, buyer pays, charges back, I get screwed. If I don't reimburse paypal, I get double screwed.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:11:47 < Astaelan> Visa has insurance, they don't go charging random sellers to recover costs.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:11:49 < JFK911> I got a chargeback/hold once
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:11:52 < JFK911> scary email
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:11:55 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: bahahahahahahaha
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:12:03 < FreezingCold> oh you poor sole believing that
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:12:04 < JFK911> the user closed his vpn and logged in again after he sent me $3k
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:12:13 < JFK911> and paypal noticed that after an hour
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:12:16 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Hey, high interest rates is at least face value :P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:12:19 < FreezingCold> you know visa does 1-5 chargebacks a year with NO questions asked right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:12:30  * ball would make a poor sole.  More of a freshwater fish.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:12:30 < Astaelan> Yes, but it's not the seller who gets screwed. Been there.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:12:39 < FreezingCold> the seller does get screwed
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:12:43 < FreezingCold> they reverse the payment
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:12:52 < Astaelan> Only within the first 30 days.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:13:00 < FreezingCold> "Only" still counts
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:03 < JFK911> sometimes visa will decide to fuck both parties, keep the chargeback from the vendor and the customer pay for the charge
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:10 < Astaelan> Which more and more is why sellers are delaying shipping with lead times and shit.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:15 < boostedcabbage> but yeah. being a seller on paypal is dumb
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:29 < Astaelan> Suffice to say, I'll trust a direct visa payment before I'll trust paypal anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:39 < Astaelan> Paypal is way way too arbitrary, and entirely in their own favor.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:13:43 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: you just write it off as a loss
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:13:45 < FreezingCold> nothing big
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:13:49 < FreezingCold> it's a part of the business plan
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:13:51 < Astaelan> I'm not saying Visa is great, b ut I've had MUCH less issue with credit cards.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:14:44 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Neoprene-Carrying-Protection-Sleeve-Case-for-Apple-Wireless-Keyboard-Magic-Mouse-/221433027756?pt=US_Tablet_eReader_Cases_Covers_Keyboard_Folios&hash=item338e6fdcac
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:14:45 < FreezingCold> man
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:14:48 < FreezingCold> that feels so expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:14:50 < FreezingCold> but I want it...
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:15:00 < JFK911> neoprene, do you understand what that is
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:15:00 < Astaelan> If paypal was held to higher standards, they'd be alongside visa. But paypal gets away with some bad shit.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:15:10 < ossifrage> Anyone working with low power stuff? (<10uA while idle)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:15:27 < FreezingCold> JFK911: fabric?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:15:30 < Astaelan> ossifrage: Uhm, anyone working with microcontrollers? :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:15:36 < Casper> paypal should be declared illegal
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:15:42 < FreezingCold> oh stop it
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:15:48 < FreezingCold> this is such a circlejerk
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:15:55 < JFK911> FreezingCold: tis a flimsy foam rubber
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:16:15 < JFK911> paypal are regulated as bank and moneytransfer agent though
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:16:18 < LoRez> Casper: eh...  I like that they exist to MITM for shoddy merchants, I just wish they were more reputable
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:16:34 < Astaelan> lol, this is why I just said no ebay, everyone has their paypal opinion. Personally I find them fine as a credit card transaction platform and even in terms of most people who use it as buyers, it's fine.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:20:09 < JFK911> ossifrage: this is not uncommon
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:21:28 < JFK911> somoene sued ebay and some attorney appeared for ebay
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:21:42 < JFK911> neither of these three got to trial
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:21:45 < FreezingCold> [23:15:51] <JFK911> FreezingCold: tis a flimsy foam rubber
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:21:47 < FreezingCold> that's what I want
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:21:56 < ossifrage> I've been considering mixing lipo + small solar panel to try and offset the self discharge rate, but I suspect it will just be annoying for the user
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:22:03 < JFK911> o ok
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:22:11 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's for carrying on the bus
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:22:51 < JFK911> ive had some that have worn out way too fast
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:23:32 < FreezingCold> I need a new laptop case too =/
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:23:39 < FreezingCold> the zipper pocket broke
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:24:17 < JFK911> http://www.amazon.com/Zeroshock-15-inch-Widescreen-Notebook-Case/sim/B000HA4EX2/2
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:24:22 < JFK911> i got one of these zeroshocks
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:24:23 < JFK911> its awesome
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:25:09 < FreezingCold> same!
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:25:12 < Nitrxgen_> gays r gay
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:25:15 < Nitrxgen_> o shit wrong channel
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:25:21 < FreezingCold> that's the exactly case I have except 13.3
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:25:30 < FreezingCold> and white
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:25:30 < JFK911> yeah ive got a subnotebook zeroshock
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:25:36 < FreezingCold> cause white is the best color
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:25:37 < JFK911> i was amazed when i saw it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:26:02 < FreezingCold> I'm trying to "downgrade" from carrying a laptop all the time
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:26:22 < JFK911> i usually dont carry a cellphone even
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:26:32 < FreezingCold> I need to carry a cell phone for tethering
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:26:38 < dhrosa> I usually don't carry pants even
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:26:55 < FreezingCold> who the fuck carries pants?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:27:17 < Noxz> I do, when I bike to work, because I would havce cycling bibs+jersey on
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:28:41 < FreezingCold> btw, I've discovered that I hate driving
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:28:45 < FreezingCold> and commuting in general
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:29:06 < FreezingCold> I drove 40 minutes today to somewhere, hated every minute of the trip
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:29:08 < FreezingCold> it's so annoying
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:29:14 < FreezingCold> you can't do anything
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:29:21 < Nitrxgen_> when looking on element14 catalogs... I'm looking for a logic level mosfet but nothing seems to filter by that... is there something else I can filter by?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:29:30 < dhrosa> Nitrxgen_: threshold voltage?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:29:36 < Noxz> I usually take a light rail to work
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:29:38 < FreezingCold> other drivers are retarded too, so you can't even have fun going fast
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:29:42 < FreezingCold> Noxz: that would be decent
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:29:59 < dhrosa> Nitrxgen_: you'd want a fet with a threshold voltage below 5V / 3.3V / whatever, ideally much lower
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:04 < JFK911> you should drive if you are driving
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:14 < Nitrxgen_> dhrosa, vds? indeed
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:30:14 < Noxz> FreezingCold# 25 mins on the train
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:18 < dhrosa> Nitrxgen_: no
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:24 < Noxz> 17min bike ride
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:27 < Nitrxgen_> vgs* typo
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:32 < dhrosa> v_th, vgs (threshold), vgs (th), or something along the lines
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:36 < dhrosa> Nitrxgen_: yeah gs
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:30:38 < Noxz> then more time to change outa my cycling shit
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:30:42 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I can't understand how one lane being closed on the highway shuts things down to 10km/h, even though there's TONS of room to merge in
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:30:45 < FreezingCold> it's just like wut
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:30:46 < FreezingCold> wut wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:31:08 < Nitrxgen_> dhrosa, and that basically gives me results of LL fets? I'll test
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:31:10 < Engen> this $20 iron does electronics no justice
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:31:19 < Engen> hakko or weller gents?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:31:59 < dhrosa> wat, I clicked the mosfets section on element14, and it takes me to a 404 page
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:32:04 < JFK911> FreezingCold: because they're on the phone
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:32:28 < JFK911> Engen: whats easier for you to buy
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:32:33 < FreezingCold> JFK911: still, no excuse for being retarded
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:32:45 < dhrosa> Nitrxgen_: i'm on newark/element14, there's a filter by Threshold Voltage Vgs Typ column
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:32:54 < FreezingCold> like if you have a real mental disorder that prevents you from thinking logically, I guess that's acceptable
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:33:08 < Engen> JFK911: good point, hakko it is!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:03 < Nitrxgen_> cathode, I use one
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:14 < JFK911> i can't wait until cars are driven by computer, then other cars then will behave predictably and i'll be able to have fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:25 < Nitrxgen_> it's got a little slider to adjust fuel/temp
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:35:34 < FreezingCold> JFK911: why don't people use cruise control already?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:42 < JFK911> many don't have it
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:35:45 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:49 < dhrosa> JFK911: that sounds like a classical game theory problem
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:50 < cathode> aye i wasnt sure if that was accurate enough for delicate work, Nitrxgen_
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:35:52 < FreezingCold> "many"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:35:55 < JFK911> many
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:36:02 < JFK911> sometimes they have it and it's broken
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:36:08 < dhrosa> JFK911: if all of your opponents are perfectly rational, you can win by being irrational
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:39:01 < FreezingCold> Why don't we have fully automated parking already?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:39:07 < FreezingCold> that's another gripe I have with the world
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:39:15 < JFK911> fact: every time brakes are used on a highway, this is an error
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:39:25 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:39:44 < anonnumberanon> FreezingCold, because you haven't done it, what are you doing?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:03 < FreezingCold> I just crash into the car in front of me to push it forward
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:04 < FreezingCold> usually works
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:05 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: We do.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:40:11 < R0b0t1> Well, someone's made it.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:18 < FreezingCold> I know, but why isn't it standard?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:40:22 < R0b0t1> They were showing it off a fe- oh.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:40:23 < R0b0t1> Money.
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:29 < FreezingCold> it's like what, $50-100 worth of sensors?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:30 < FreezingCold> if that
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:40:42 < JFK911> years of software development that hasn't yet been paid for.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:40:47 < Nitrxgen_> Triffid_Hunter, do you know any for at least 60V drain-source?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:40:59 < FreezingCold> JFK911: do it once and then just steal the code from different models
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:00 < R0b0t1> JFK911: Well they aren't paying for it by not putting it in anything, that's for sure.
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:06 < R0b0t1> I don't even see it advertised on luxury cars
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:13 < R0b0t1> used to be a big thing
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:19 < JFK911> i saw it advertised on deluxe japan cars in the past
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:26 < JFK911> i dont know what was actually sold
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:41:27 < FreezingCold> Does Nissan do it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:28 < R0b0t1> >in the past
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:28 < R0b0t1> see
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:31 < JFK911> but they were talking like you can do it now
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:39 < JFK911> i think it was toyota/lexus but im not sure
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:41:46 < FreezingCold> even Tesla hasn't done it yet
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:41:55 < JFK911> it could have been renaultssanfiniti
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:42:17 < FreezingCold> infiniti is meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:42:24 < FreezingCold> seems like they overcharge
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:42:30 < JFK911> story of japan
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:42:31 < FreezingCold> compared to the "standard" nissan brand
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:42:35 < anonnumberanon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzIau8BvTsg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:43:12 < galactic_pretty> asdf
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:43:42 < Nitrxgen_> galactic_pretty, y u do dis
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:44:09 < galactic_pretty> i don't understand
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:44:17 < galactic_pretty> ahh
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:44:18 < JFK911> FreezingCold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_parking#Present
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:44:52 < galactic_pretty> yes, you do this?
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:44:52 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Do you use bumblebee?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:44:53 < JFK911> nissan not mentioned at all
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:45:00 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah, how did you know?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:46:11 < Triffid_Hunter> Nitrxgen_: nope, you sacrifice Vgs(th) or Rds(on) for that, frequently both but there should be a few around that are adequate
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:46:15 < Haffa> the tech in volvo trucks is pretty neat
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:46:21 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Okay what distro do you use
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:46:22 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Haha.  If you read the "german language" of "this wikipedia entry" it actually points to an article about automatic parking _lots_
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:46:41 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: Arch
2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:46:46 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: How do you know all this about me...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:46:59 < R0b0t1> Well you're telling it to me as we speak
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:47:38 < FreezingCold> but guessing bumblebee is a wild shot in the dark
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:48:11 < galactic_pretty> say speak tell  differences are difficult
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:49:42 < galactic_pretty> i need english patch brain
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:50:23 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean...
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:50:31 < R0b0t1> there's like one choice to use optimus
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:50:55 < galactic_pretty> http://tvpot.daum.net/v/v82ffwzwOOFwHGl3D3tjjDl  <---korean patched child
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:51:02 < R0b0t1> well now I forgot what I was going to ask you but I assume I'll remember in a few minutes if I don't find it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:51:43 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: but it's so unlikely for me to have a hybrid system
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2014-05.log:2014-05-11T06:51:50 < FreezingCold> I'm just really surprised you knew I did
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:55:26 < galactic_pretty> do re mi pa sol ra si do re mi~ pa~ ssol~ ra~~ si~~~ ddddo rre~ mmi~ ppa sssol~ rraa~ ssi die~
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T06:55:55 < Technicus> Hello, I have two SN74LS193 ic: < http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sdls074/sdls074.pdf >, and I am trying to count to 80 with them.  Here is my design: < https://github.com/Technicus/Digital-II-Final-Project >.  I am having trouple with the count. The first counter gets to 15 thenthe next counter incuments to one, but the first counter skips one count.  What count should I be resetting the first counter?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T08:56:55 < JFK911> sabotender: http://i.imgur.com/j9pPFTU.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T08:57:09 < JFK911> sabotender: i dont know if you can tell which parts are new.  but you need a press
2014-05.log-2014-05-11T08:57:26 < Fatal> (and they ain't cheap)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T08:57:29 < galactic_pretty> ls is related to corruption on nuclear generating station.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-11T08:57:49 < cathode> corruption?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:05:05 < sirpatrick> tawr: Do you work with VFD
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:05:08 < tawr> i can almost guarantee you'll be fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:05:10 < sirpatrick> professionally *
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:05:19 < cathode> if i burn the motor out well... i only spent $60 on it
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:05:48 < cathode> at that point i will probably end up moving up to a 3hp or even a 5hp motor and a matching VFD
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T11:06:05 < tawr> sirpatrick, well, I haven't done it professionally. I am somewhat of a jack of all trades, my main profession is custom fabrication and welding, and I also do tons of mechanic work, but do electrical, electronics, you name it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:15:53 < galactic_pretty> i hope that lee and present president are killed by peoples so soon.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:18:02 < johnflux_> wtf have I walked into
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:20:23 < galactic_pretty> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:21:18 < FreezingCold> heh, this is annoying
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:21:20 < FreezingCold> I
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:21:25 < galactic_pretty> i have never heard of that
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:21:30 < FreezingCold> the hiring manager left me a message, but now he won't pick up
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:21:53 < galactic_pretty> pick up you?
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:22:08 < FreezingCold> pick up his phone
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:22:19 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:22:25 < FreezingCold> hey sabotender
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:22:31 < sabotender> :-D
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:22:56 < anicca> johnflux_: ask here. or in #sparkfun.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:31:52 < galactic_pretty> http://www.parkoz.com/zboard/view.php?id=express_freeboard2&page=1&sn1=&divpage=172&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=287219
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:33:39 < FreezingCold> oh wow, I'm a forgetful persno
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:33:41 < FreezingCold> *person
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:33:52 < FreezingCold> I just remembered it's probably the dude's lunch break
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:33:59 < FreezingCold> we talked about that too during my interview lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:35:32 < FreezingCold> [12:21:23] <FreezingCold> the hiring manager left me a message, but now he won't pick up
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:35:49 < galactic_pretty> ahh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:37:12 < galactic_pretty> have you ever heard of korea ferry accident on tv?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:37:27 < FreezingCold> I haven't had my head stuck in the sand for the past month, so yes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:38:04 < galactic_pretty> answer to my question?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:38:11 < JFK911> i'm going to repair this http://i.imgur.com/N4zNj3G.jpg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:57:55 < Casper> mephx: or depending on your toolbox, you may have some wire lying around that you can use between the psu and the jack
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:58:06 < blight> does anybody know which way is better to clip high input voltages (for a logic analyzer): 1) series resistor + zener diode to ground 2) pullup resistor and series diode to input so the input will pull low and the resistor will pull up?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:58:08 < Casper> or desolder the wire to the jack and tap there, or alike
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:58:14 < FreezingCold> oh hey, it's my birthday
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:58:18  * FreezingCold parties
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T19:58:20 < FreezingCold> or not
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:58:39 < mephx> Casper: its board mounted =(
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:58:59 < mephx> I don't have the unit with me right now
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T19:59:07 < mephx> will do the readings later
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:12:09 < Casper> even at high...  it attenuate the signal and add more crosstalk
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:12:57 < Casper> so it may actually show less of a problem than it is in reality... I think
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:13:46 < FreezingCold> FUCK YEAH
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:13:48 < FreezingCold> FUCK YEAHHH
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:13:56 < FreezingCold> got offered the job, maybe
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:14:18 < FreezingCold> I might fail the drivers history report though...
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:14:19 < user123321___> Is Ethernet-Over-Powerline worth getting?
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:14:23 < FreezingCold> I still have my learners
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:15:20 < Casper> user123321___: I read mixed review on those
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:18:33 < anicca> does your job involve driving a car ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:18:34 < LeelooMinai> I would just figure out how to wire the house with proper cat cables
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:18:36 < user123321___> Hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:18:41 < anicca> ^ FreezingCold
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:19:04 < FreezingCold> anicca: Yeah, health care equipment installation and maintenance
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:19:10 < user123321___> LeelooMinai: Could I just insert ethernet cables through the same tube that run ordinary wires? Is it easy?
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:19:46 < anicca> FreezingCold: not couriering cocaine across state boundaries ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:19:47 < LeelooMinai> user123321___: That is too specific to your house - you would have to investigate.
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:19:52 < LoRez> not unless you're running 600V rated ethernet cable (in the US)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:19:59 < anicca> healthcare maintenance sounds so boring
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:20:14 < FreezingCold> anicca: I would hope couriering cocaine pays better than $30k/yearly
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:20:15 < user123321___> LeelooMinai: Cool. What is the type of ethernet cables I should look for?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:20:42 < user123321___> LeelooMinai: Without compromizing speed or lagging.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:21:52 < user123321___> for best speed and low latency
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:22:06 < linuxthefish> cat5e is fine for 99% of home stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:22:11 < LeelooMinai> user123321___: You want cat5e at least I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:22:30 < FreezingCold> man, I have to drive to the police station I think to drop off my criminal background check
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:22:38 < FreezingCold> I literally have no history and I'm still paranoid to go
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:22:54 < linuxthefish> lol all my ethernet cable goes outside then back in again
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:22:59 < user123321___> LeelooMinai: Cool. :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:23:23 < LeelooMinai> For a year or so I had my ethernet cables outside too - they were entering my room in by window:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:23:28 < LeelooMinai> Suck in the winter though
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:23:40 < LeelooMinai> So eventually I did it properly
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:23:42 < anicca> FreezingCold: wear a shirt and trousers that have no pockets
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:24:06 < user123321___> LeelooMinai: xD What is the maximum length you remember having?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:24:18 < user123321___> Did it cause any latency issues?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:38:30 < hjf> i'll order the F4 and xmos boards
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:38:35 < hjf> $15 each
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:38:43 < FreezingCold> Does this URL work for anyone...?
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:38:43 < FreezingCold> http://www.ottawapolice.ca/en/contact-us/find-a-police-station.asp
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:38:46 < intranick> im seeing a backhoe idle for 30 seconds or more at a time while his dump truck goes and dumps
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:38:51 < FreezingCold> the map seems to be hidden =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:39:01 < hjf> does ti still sell the $4.30 msp430 board?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:39:05 < jimi_> how can i check if the neutral wire of a circut is complete?
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:39:06 < intranick> only takes backhow a minute to fill it or so
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:43:46 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I live right across the street from a police station AND a fire brigade. It is odd; and noisy
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:44:04 < FreezingCold> ha, sucker
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:44:26 < sabotender> well, let's just say that the crime rate in this particular complex is quite low
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:44:51 < sabotender> and fire inspections are routine and on time twice a year
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:46:18 < FreezingCold> they'll find all his meth
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:46:25 < sabotender> nasty
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:46:41 < sabotender> have you SEEN what meth does to you?! I wouldn't dare
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2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:47:08 < FreezingCold> brb rebooting router, usb is stuck
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:47:21 < R0b0t1> >reboot router
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:47:23 < R0b0t1> >usb is stuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:47:24 < R0b0t1> ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:48:55 < hjf> thats for fags
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:49:07 < hjf> also acceptable is an image.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:49:12 < R0b0t1> hi r0b-
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T20:51:18 < r0b-> how are you?
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T20:51:25 < FreezingCold> good good
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T23:04:33 < Lirezh> 0-0.3V
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T23:04:52 < SpeedEvil> Jan-: exfat was _never_ designed to be portable.
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T23:04:54 < Lirezh> a filesystem likely patented by microsoft
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T23:05:05 < FreezingCold> fucking bitch of a sister, took both my bus pass and car keys today
2014-05.log:2014-05-12T23:05:09 < FreezingCold> didn't bother leaving either of them
2014-05.log-2014-05-12T23:05:09 < SpeedEvil> Jan-: It was explicitly designed to be patent encumbered and require expensive licences.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-12T23:05:24 < Jan-> it works on everything else
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:26:52 < medfly> hey guys
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:27:22 < medfly> I want to use a 555 to create an astable circuit. specifics not so important. I'm using PSpice to get the hang of how I want it to work, but I'm having trouble getting it to worked.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:27:30 < medfly> all I'm doing is copy pasting designs on google images and even that doesn't work
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:39:59 < Jan-> hmm, I totalled up the full amount twice and it came out way different
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:41:19 < medfly> oh wow, I Don't think I care about which frequency this thing as, as long as it is high enough
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:41:34 < FreezingCold> I like how wikipedia doesn't put as much gore in some of the articles anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:41:55 < medfly> I want to use a 555 as astable circuit, then use a filter to get a ~125KHz circuit out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:41:59 < medfly> err
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:42:29 < SpeedEvil> medfly: unless you use quite sharp filters
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:42:32 < medfly> okay
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:42:41 < medfly> how should I get a 125KHz sinusoidal?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:42:46 < FreezingCold> Why are you using a 555?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:42:54 < FreezingCold> just use pwm out of any microncontroller
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:42:55 < SpeedEvil> What are you trying to do?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:43:06 < FreezingCold> do you have a pic16f887 or something lying around?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:43:10 < medfly> SpeedEvil: implement this thing: forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/105889-World-s-simplest-RFID-reader
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:43:22 < medfly> SpeedEvil: better link http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/105889-World-s-simplest-RFID-reader
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:43:59 < medfly> I am stoopid
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:44:11 < FreezingCold> medfly: just use a microcontroller
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:44:17 < FreezingCold> 555's are anooying
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:44:44 < medfly> how
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:44:45 < FreezingCold> they're stupidly expensive too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:44:51 < medfly> stupidly expensive?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:44:54 < medfly> I saw one for like 12 cents
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:45:02 < FreezingCold> not in small batches
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:45:04 < medfly> if that's expensive I must be fucking loaded
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:45:09 < FreezingCold> which is what I assume you're doing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:45:29 < medfly> yes very small batch, one :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:45:40 < nofxx> attiny < $1  nice mcu
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:45:42 < FreezingCold> medfly: what microcontrollers do you have around you?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:46:00 < FreezingCold> nofxx: no, use NXP's Cortex-M0/M0+ DIP packages
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:46:09 < FreezingCold> or for QFN, usually ST is cheaper
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:46:27 < Jan-> SpeedEvil: Sadly phil finds your knowledge of battery control ICs impressive
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:46:31 < nofxx> FreezingCold, sounds nice, gonna check my suppliers hehe (tayda/futurlec/ali.....)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:46:35 < Jan-> despite the fact that we have no way to design or build the actual device :
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:46:49 < medfly> I have nothing, just buying for this purpose
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:46:51 < FreezingCold> nofxx: iirc the cheapest arm chip is 60 cents, nxp lpc810 or 812
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:47:03 < medfly> I can get a microcontrolle to get a 125KHz sinusoidal?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:47:07 < FreezingCold> yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:47:12 < FreezingCold> pwm and throw a cap on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:47:34 < nofxx> FreezingCold, didn't even knew there was ARM dip!
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:47:38 < FreezingCold> nofxx: lpc810m021fn8fp
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:47:44 < medfly> what. what should I be looking for?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:00 < nofxx> medfly, actually we gave you 3 mcu options... PIC, AVR or ARM
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:48:03 < FreezingCold> medfly: well, what MCUs do you have right now?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:05 < ShadowJK> Jan-; can you have mechanical on/off switch and ignore the standby power consumption?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:48:08 < medfly> FreezingCold: I have nothing.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:08 < nofxx> resuming the opera*
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:15 < Jan-> ShadowJK: that's one idea.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:16 < medfly> I'm buying stuff just for this
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:34 < medfly> I only know ARM as being the architecture
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:34 < hagbard> medfly: so.. pick one and dont look back!
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:38 < Jan-> othersie you have to hold a fet on the whole time
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:48:39 < FreezingCold> medfly: get a few lpc810m021fn8fp for the cheapest option, or stm32f0/f4 for more features
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:42 < Jan-> literally THE WHOLE time
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:52 < medfly> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:48:58 < medfly> what. that's the thing I should be getting?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:49:01 < nofxx> FreezingCold, gonna check out this lil arms now, but please just a few words hehe... you just compile C and trow on it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:02 < medfly> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:03 < medfly> ok...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:08 < Jan-> and I'm not sure how to do the whole reset-when-charging thing either
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:10 < Jan-> that gets complicatyed
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:49:11 < FreezingCold> nofxx: it uses straight up gcc
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:50 < ShadowJK> Jan-; red "batt empty" light instead of actual cutoffs?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:49:53 < nofxx> FreezingCold, I see, no OS
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:54 < medfly> awww, I don't find this stuff on the one website that seemed to have OK shipping
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:49:57 < medfly> I hope others have it
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:50:08 < FreezingCold> nofxx: MCUs don't do OSes
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:50:17 < FreezingCold> usually you want a MCU to be cheaper and "more real time"
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:50:22 < FreezingCold> I know that's a horrible way of wording it
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:50:25 < nofxx> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:50:30 < nofxx> but true
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:50:32 < hagbard> aka no overhead
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:50:37 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:50:56 < medfly> is this stuff ARM as in the architecture???
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:51:21 < medfly> damn
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:51:24 < FreezingCold> well cortex m*
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:51:28 < medfly> that's one cheap ass computer :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:51:37 < FreezingCold> cortex a* is for computers/phones
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:51:53 < medfly> so how exactly do I use this for making anything?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:52:03 < hagbard> medfly: Well, you hook it to stuff.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:52:12 < medfly> certainly
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:55:25 < medfly> how is it any better when there is an MCU creating the pulse?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:56:20 < nofxx> I believe FreezingCold meant the problems to get the correct frequency out of the 555
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:56:35 < medfly> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:56:51 < medfly> well, yes, that is a problem. but like I said, a pulse is actually wideband. is it really such a problem, it feels like no
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:58:26 < medfly> since it is used to lower frequency with a diode, I don't think accuracy is very important
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:58:32 < medfly> get in the range :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:58:37 < FreezingCold> nofxx: yeah, I just said the 555 is outdated
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:58:38 < FreezingCold> it works fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:58:39 < medfly> I could be wrong though
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:58:49 < FreezingCold> but I would use a mcu unless you need some super accurate timing
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:58:55 < medfly> naaaah
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:58:59 < medfly> I would give it a try
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:59:11 < medfly> I'd just like to decide in advance everything I want before actually trying things, because shipping is expensive for me
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T00:59:21 < nofxx> FreezingCold, all cheap cortexes are LPC* ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:59:47 < medfly> all right
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:59:54 < medfly> this stuff stopped me from getting sleep, too exciting
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T00:59:57 < nofxx> found some nice ones... 1114, 2103
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:00 < medfly> j/k I went to bed early
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:00:02 < FreezingCold> nofxx: well, the cheapest anyway. ST usually gets cheaper when you need more aftures
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:05 < medfly> good night :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:00:08 < FreezingCold> *features
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:00:23 < nofxx> FreezingCold, thanks
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:26 < medfly> thanks, I'll get the ST stuff. I really don't mind the price difference
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:29 < medfly> should I get several?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:30  * SpeedEvil enjoyes cheese sauce and fish.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:33 < medfly> is this something people want some of?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:00:44 < FreezingCold> medfly: IIRC ST doesn't make any DIP packages
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:00:48 < FreezingCold> you'll probably need to get a dev board
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:00:50 < nofxx> medfly, an MCU is always good to have (bunch of)
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:01:15 < FreezingCold> nofxx: the 2103 isn't dip, is it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:01:23 < medfly> all right
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:01:27 < medfly> FreezingCold: what is DIP?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:01:41 < nofxx> FreezingCold, no, LQFP...
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:01:42 < FreezingCold> basically something large enough that a human can easily solder it
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:01:47 < FreezingCold> and fits in a breadboard
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:02:02 < nofxx> hehe, I find smd easy to solder... problem is good PCB (making in home)
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:02:03 < FreezingCold> nofxx: lpc1114 is a 28 or 40 pin dip I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:02:11 < medfly> oh, should I get LPC then?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:02:12 < LeelooMinai> medfly: DIP is obscure IC pacgaging tech from previous millenium
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:02:23 < medfly> I do want to use a breadboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:02:25 < FreezingCold> you still need it for hobby objects...
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:02:28 < medfly> probably won't solder for the time being
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:02:46 < FreezingCold> then you either need DIP, breakout board or a dev board
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:03:11 < medfly> cool cool cool.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:03:26 < nofxx> FreezingCold, shoud be both packages, I see 1114 48 LQFP too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:03:46 < medfly> okay, g'night
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:09:15 < DoYouKnow> hey, anyone here done any experimenting with the HC-05/BC417 boards/chips?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:09:22 < DoYouKnow> for bluetooth
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:09:35 < nofxx> FreezingCold, found LPC1114 DIP28, $3  nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:10:02 < DoYouKnow> I'm working with a hacker on trying to get RSSI values out of the device
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:10:37 < FreezingCold> oh yeah those fuckers are fun
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:10:41 < FreezingCold> I broke my HC-06
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:10:48 < FreezingCold> do *not* set the baud rate too high
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:10:51 < FreezingCold> you can't reset it
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:10:55 < DoYouKnow> ok
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:10:56 < FreezingCold> which is stupid
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:11:46 < DoYouKnow> there has to be a better way to discover bluetooth devices that are undiscoverable than enumerating them one-by-one
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:11:57 < DoYouKnow> and to get RSSI values out
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:12:26 < FreezingCold> Why?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:13:53 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... Cobalt drills ftw - had to make a hole in a chunk of steel and it went through like it was nothing:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:14:09 < LeelooMinai> Was upgrading my probe holder: https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/13983802130/
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:14:16 < DoYouKnow> FreezingCold: for fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:14:40 < Jan-> is cobalt hard
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T01:14:59 < DoYouKnow> FreezingCold: well, this other hacker guy I think wants to get the RSSI values so he can detect people
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:15:12 < LeelooMinai> When added to steel alloy it makes it hard - I think cobalt drills have 5% of it or so
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:15:32 < LeelooMinai> They are harder than HSS
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T01:15:48 < LeelooMinai> But not as brittle as carbide drills
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T07:58:48 < gdogg> beaucoup
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T07:59:10 < JFK911> Flea86: the roll I dont like is .015 diameter.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T08:01:29 < JFK911> interesting what are the different melting points
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T17:36:53 < evilbetty> here if you have your holidays paid out you loose a lot of money
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T17:37:19 < evilbetty> ooh its been a while that i had a poopoomoment at work
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T17:37:22 < evilbetty> brb
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T17:37:33 < dhrosa> stats*
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:13 < R0b0t1> Not anymore.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:15 < JFK911> Polesch: brushless motor from washing machine.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:56:30 < FreezingCold> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:33 < evilbetty> i think we should make a bank account and every time someone starts an AC DC westinghouse edison or tesla discssion they have to send money
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:38 < evilbetty> the alternative would be a ban
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:40 < Astaelan> hjohnson: But, it seems to be going the other direction, more focus on communication speeds over shorter runs.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:56:43 < FreezingCold> wow, that was an unconformable bus ride home
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:43 < hjohnson> evilbetty: hehe
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:56:46 < FreezingCold> I really had to go lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:56:46 < R0b0t1> hjohnson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-voltage_direct_current
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:01 < R0b0t1> So glorious.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:02 < evilbetty> me too
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:02 -!- hovercraft is now known as hoverboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:03 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: oh, sure, for long-haul distribution, that's a different beast.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:05 < JFK911> FreezingCold: you went 1 or 2 on the bus?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:13 < hjohnson> er long-haul transmission
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:15 < JFK911> did people stare?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: neither on the bus, 2 when I got home
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:18 < evilbetty> and then i came back from poopootime and i couldnt find my own text back so much ppl are chatting
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:22 < evilbetty> its disturbing
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: type 7?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:37 < R0b0t1> hjohnson: But you can keep it DC even longer if you want.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:37 < FreezingCold> type AB
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:37 < evilbetty> and causes stress
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:42 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: yep
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:57:48 < JFK911> FreezingCold: thats not on the bristol chart.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:54 < evilbetty> but its 22h
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:57:59 < evilbetty> nice time for a smoke and porno
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:58:35 < FreezingCold> it's always time for porn
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:58:52 < evilbetty> what if your poo isnt on the chart?.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:58:53 < JFK911> a belgian porno, must be full of tulips and windmills
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:58:56 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: sure, but then you're replacing simple pieces of equipment (pole/ground mount transformers) with complex pieces of electronics (DC-DC converters) that are mounted all over the place and in all sorts of situations
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:03 < evilbetty> what
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:59:12 < FreezingCold> I think when I'm super rich I'll just hire a few female porn stars to hang out at my place
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:14 < evilbetty> tulips and wwindmills are dutch you bastard
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:24  * evilbetty feels extremely offended
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:59:25 < FreezingCold> if I want two at all times, I'd need what, bout 9?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:28 < ZiNC> Can anyone (dis)recommend breadboard power supplies off eBay? A few different designs there, I wonder if some are more stable or cleaner.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:59:32 < FreezingCold> that gives some overlap
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:39 < evilbetty> we belgians hate (to be compared with) the dutch
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T22:59:47 < FreezingCold> cause I need 8.4 porn stars assuming they work for 40 hours per week
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:51 < JFK911> en welke taal spreekt je?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T22:59:52 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: your typical 15kVA pole transformer (enough to service one or two houses) is about 95% to 97% efficient.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:03 < evilbetty> vlaams!
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:07 < evilbetty> godverdomme
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:00:12 < FreezingCold> wow, if I paid them $100/hr each that'd run nearly $2 million dollars per year
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:00:15 < FreezingCold> yikes
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:19 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: if you go to DC local distribution, you're going to need a DC-DC converter that has similar efficiency, costs about the same, and is as reliable.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:26 < JFK911> i thought vlaams were what you get when you light wood on fire
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:33 < ZiNC> And BTW, can these things usually pass thru 5V?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:42 < evilbetty> yes or a dutch soaked in gasoline
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:00:43 < FreezingCold> Did Charlie Sheen have to pay his hookers?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:47 < JFK911> lolll
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:49 < R0b0t1> hjohnson: And AFAIK that's not too far out of the question - the biggest issue is just getting someone to DO it, and nobody wants to because nobody is interested.
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:00:54 < evilbetty> anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:03 < evilbetty> i need to switch accounts for porn
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:05 < FreezingCold> cause he was living with two for awhile
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:07 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: why?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:10 < R0b0t1> So, I mean, I can agree it's not "easy" but neither was getting a grid up in the first place.
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:18 < FreezingCold> do that shit in regular mode
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:22 < FreezingCold> do it as root
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:23 < evilbetty> because my porn account homefolder is encrypted ;)
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:33 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: the thing is that it doesn't really solve much in the way of problems, the current system works, is cheap, reliable, and generally quite efficient
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:37 < FreezingCold> Why not encrypt your whole hard drive evilbetty ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:01:43 < FreezingCold> it looks way worse just to encrypt your porn...
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:50 < JFK911> you probably impersonate a dutch to seek porn
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:52 < evilbetty> i'd rather hide my porn than having to watch it together with a mate who accidentally found it and wants to see it
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:01:56 < hjohnson> R0b0t1: (and note that I'm only talking about local/municipal distribution here, not long-haul transmission)
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:02:05 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: would you open it for law enforcement?
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:02:11 < FreezingCold> I would open mine for porn
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:11 < evilbetty> hehe sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:18 < Polesch> JFK911, something like this http://www.tdcm-motor.com/products/electric-hub-motors/250w-rear-hub-motor/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:21 < evilbetty> whats a few goats in jailtime these days
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2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:02:30 < FreezingCold> 0.0
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:41 < hjohnson> evilbetty: are you in alambama or mississippi?
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:42 < hjohnson> ;)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:02:56 < evilbetty> haha ineurope
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:03:01 < evilbetty> and not in schotland
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:03:01 < JFK911> depends if the goat is over age six
2014-05.log:2014-05-13T23:03:05 < FreezingCold> oh, goats are probably fair play there
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:03:13 < JFK911> Polesch: interesting idea
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:03:26 < evilbetty> if i was in the middle east it would be allowed to do a goat but only if she is female, and if i marry her after
2014-05.log-2014-05-13T23:03:29 < Polesch> I just want to convert my bicycle to electric
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:19:07 < hjf> http://cdn01.am.infobae.com/adjuntos/163/imagenes/011/005/0011005841.png?0000-00-00-00-00-00
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:19:13 < bulaia> so sad
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:19:14 < evilbetty> thats annoying:p
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:19:26 < FreezingCold> woot woot, sent all my documentation to the manager, let's hope I get this job
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:19:43 < FreezingCold> he wasn't expecting me to get the documents for at least a few weeks, so the next day should be somewhat impressive :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:19:47 < hjf> alec baldwin arrested in NY for ...biking? wrong way
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:19:51 < evilbetty> im surprised by the german
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:19:55 < FreezingCold> alec baldwin can bike?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:20:05 < hjf> bicycle
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:20:14 < hjf> handcuffed and all
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:20:18 < evilbetty> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:20:19 < FreezingCold> LOL
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:20:23 < evilbetty> but who
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:20:23 < FreezingCold> he wears a visor
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:20:37 < FreezingCold> http://static2.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1790569.1400005534!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/alec-baldwin.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:20:39 < FreezingCold> is that sweat...?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:21:00 < evilbetty> still, who? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:21:03 < bulaia> why is he all wet
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:21:07 < evilbetty> heard the name before ofc
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:21:10 < evilbetty> but no idea
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:21:39 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: he's old. The only show I know him from is 24 Rock
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:21:40 < FreezingCold> er
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:21:42 < FreezingCold> 30 rock
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:21:50 < FreezingCold> he's a bit racist too
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:21:59 < bulaia> racist eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:22:29 < LeelooMinai> I bet when he gets out of the cell, he will do that again, but this time with a Hammer
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:22:34 < evilbetty> i don't like you foreigners either :p so what :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:39:34 < tawr> prototypes have to stay together, that means soldering. that's the only answer to your problem. if you don't want to take time to improve yourself, no one here can help you except yourself
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:40:19 < FreezingCold> bulaia: my bad, he isn't racist
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:40:23 < FreezingCold> he's homophobic
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:40:30 < evilbetty> if its common led strip you may be lucky and find connector
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:40:31 < FreezingCold> well, he might be racist too lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:40:39 < faLUCE> tawr: I'm not interested in your philosophy, I only would like to know why my idea would not work
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:40:49 < evilbetty> that shoves over strip, but its true that you just should practice a bit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:42:24 < tawr> evilbetty, obviously you don't apply to that demographic
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:42:25 < evilbetty> and i think i can count the slaps around my ears on 1 or 2 hands
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:42:31 < umquant> seriously. It blows. I am always assumed to be entitled and am always given shit when looking at jobs because of my age
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:42:33 < FreezingCold> umquant: what's wrong with this generation?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:42:52 < evilbetty> nothing really :p its just different
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:42:57 < FreezingCold> We're about the same level of fucked up as the past one
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:02 < Duzz_> Hey, what can I use as an equivalent to locktight 3621 for a high temperature glue to hold bottom side components to a board during reflow?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:08 < LeelooMinai> There are generations?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:18 < LeelooMinai> How did the buirths get synchronized? :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:22 < LeelooMinai> births*
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:26 < Duzz_> they cant sell it in Canada
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:43:34 < umquant> FreezingCold: I just know all my peers are whiny shits lol.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:38 < evilbetty> i just think that previous generations heard LOTS more "no"s
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:43 < tawr> LeelooMinai, ever do what I told you for your dial indicator?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:43:51 < FreezingCold> umquant: so are adults?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:43:58 < tawr> Duzz_ one second, i have a loctite poster somewhere
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:44:08 < LeelooMinai> tawr: No - so far I just use them to hold probes so it's not important
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:44:08 < faLUCE> LeelooMinai: no, I would  wrap the tape and the contacts with another tape
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:44:12 < umquant> FreezingCold: yup lol. I was just circlejerking with the generational comment
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:44:15 < evilbetty> i hate locktite for that
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:44:21 < evilbetty> i need locktite but no clue what one
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:44:27 < evilbetty> there should be only 1
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:32 < Duzz_> 3621 is more like a glue that wont melt at 245
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:40 < tawr> Duzz
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:45 < tawr> it's a heat-cure filled epoxy
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T01:46:49 < FreezingCold> what's wrong with soldering
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:50 < Saginata> evilbetty: weak one is sometimes to weak for the bigger ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:53 < hjf> okay
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T01:46:54 < evilbetty> personally i dont mind soldering at 35eur/hour
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:53:13 < G________> that's not the appropriate use of irony
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:53:20 < G________> that's simply coincidence
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:53:22 < G________> fyi
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:53:43 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: F = LC?
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:53:45 < FreezingCold> wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:53:46 < FreezingCold> RC
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:53:51 < OoTLink> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:53:57 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:01 < ss23> G________: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/irony
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:54:03 < FreezingCold> I haven't done filters in such a long time
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:13 < OoTLink> G I think it was ironic because he really pushed on us how important it was to remember that because it might come up in a job interview
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:20 < OoTLink> it did, and I fucked it up XD
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:20 < G________> lol ss23 I love the oatmeal
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:54:32 < FreezingCold> 1/2pi RC
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:54:32 < FreezingCold> righhhtttt
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:33 < OoTLink> *shrug*
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:33 < ss23> http://s3.amazonaws.com/theoatmeal-img/comics/irony/7.png YOU IRL
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:54:43 < OoTLink> maybe i should have made a 2nd order op amp instead :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:54:52 < FreezingCold> I remember it now
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:55:08 < G________> So does everyone in here build hardware, or are there any software people?
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T03:55:17 < FreezingCold> probably both?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:55:21 < OoTLink> G________, why not both?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T03:55:30  * OoTLink watches the merriachi band walk in and start playing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:34:26 < ZiNC> May depend on the country, too.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:35:26 < OoTLink> llol it's not that but
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:35:29 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: khakis and throw on a dress shirt
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:35:38 < FreezingCold> suit makes you look desperate
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:35:44 < OoTLink> I go to the store in jeans and a tshirt, or basketball shorts and a tshirt
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:35:52 < FreezingCold> unless you're applying for a bank/business role
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:35:56 < OoTLink> I don't have khakis lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:36:05 < FreezingCold> /s/khakis/tan pants
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:36:13 < OoTLink> I don't have tan pants
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:36:17 < FreezingCold> dress pants?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:36:23 < OoTLink> I could just go for that I guess :D
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:36:31 < OoTLink> black pants, dress shirt
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:36:35 < OoTLink> not tucked in?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:36:42 < OoTLink> lol I've gone in jeans and a dress shirt before
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:36:49 < FreezingCold> tucked in would be better
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:37:03 < OoTLink> but khakis come on man it's an engineer job not best buy
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:37:04 < FreezingCold> depends on the shirt, but the dress shirts I own would look really silly if I didn't tuck them in
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:38:26 < FreezingCold> well, I'm applying for technician jobs
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:38:35 < FreezingCold> you're not gonna wear dress pants to the office
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:38:47 < hjf> i'm making a PCB for my audio amp. it's an input selector, digital volume control, and mono+LPF for the subwoofer,
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:38:59 < hjf> should I do a separate 'digital' board for control?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:39:14 < hjf> like, i want to use a PIC+ethernet
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:39:36 < FreezingCold> :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:39:38 < FreezingCold> oh PIC
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:39:39 < FreezingCold> why
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:39:59 < hjf> embedded ethernet, familiarity with the stack, doesn't really matter...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:42:15 < OoTLink> I want to say on the back of a camera but even those are 16:9
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:42:17 < OoTLink> I had one lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:42:42 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: the guy who repairs broke shit and installs some stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:43:11 < OoTLink> lol here's a cute russian word
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:43:13 < OoTLink> pochemuchka
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T04:43:17 < OoTLink> someone that asks too mayn questions
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T04:44:45 < FreezingCold> brb in 45, picking up family member
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:07:35 < dhrosa> I was thinking of having two sets of battery packs, that I'd carry around at all times and swap between, then I realized... you could also just have a bigger pack in the first place
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:08:05 < iWalrus> not a stupid idea though
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:08:09 < iWalrus> leave one on charge
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:08:31 < FreezingCold> http://www.huntingtonproperties.ca/featured/100-gloucester-street-6th-floor-ottawa-office-space
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:08:34 < FreezingCold> assuming my math is right
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:08:56 < FreezingCold> is that $14k per MONTH?!
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:09:08 < FreezingCold> or per year?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:10:03 < iWalrus> if it's 18 a day? or hour?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:10:05 < iWalrus> wat
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:10:53 < dhrosa> I  wonder why 18650s are so popular in the ecig community, searching for 18650s on ebay either gives you ecigs or flashlights
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:11:16 < iWalrus> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:11:40 < FreezingCold> iWalrus: it doesn't say, and I feel stupid emailing to ask lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:12:19 < tawr> that's an easy answer
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:12:29 < tawr> and i'm qualified to answer it, because i've spent entirely too much money on ecig stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T07:12:52 < FreezingCold> and the answer is?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:12:53 < tawr> extremely high energy density, and extremely high current output. there are 18650's that can do 30A.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:12:59 < tawr> per cell.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T07:13:11 < dhrosa> why do you want 30A in your face
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:12:30 < dhrosa> anyone got reccomendations for measuring 20-30A DC currents?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:12:38 < dhrosa> I mean, for integrating a current sense into something
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:12:38 < mrdata> suree
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T08:12:49 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdn_nZzvQL8
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:13:26 < mrdata> measure voltage drop across a small series resistance
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:13:30 < mrdata> like 0.002 ohm
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:13:56 < dhrosa> mrdata: I was worried about parasitic resistances
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:14:19 < dhrosa> any solution besides make the trace wide as fuck?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:14:23 < mrdata> power loss is I^2 R
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:15:29 < mrdata> so, on 30A that will be around 900 R. a .002 ohm series resistance will therefore draw 1.8 watts
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T08:15:45 < FreezingCold> What brand of OLED's does Lockheed use for their F-22 and F-35 helmets?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:16:44 < mrdata> dhrosa make the trace use all the layers you have, and connect them all with closely spaced vias
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:20:17 < sabotender> dhrosa: some sort of advanced venting?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:21:48 < dhrosa> "thermal resistance layer", not sure how sticking another layer between the cathode and anode helps, but apparently it does
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:22:33 < tawr> dhrosa, you can't have that cell, i don't think
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:22:38 < tawr> i think that's the entire series of cell
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:27:58 < password2> nice
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:28:03 < password2> i need 10
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:28:10 < tawr> heh, I use the words "howdy" and "bud" quite often
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:28:22 < dhrosa> I've previously bought cells frmo this dude, and they measured to be the rated capacity, so i'm pretty confident on the 2900s he's sending me
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T08:28:26 < ss23> 17:27:51 < sabotender> mmh I like it when men say howdy
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T09:31:06 < Hyratel1> of your wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T09:31:25 < mrdata> i have to check if enough space is available, but okay
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T09:38:02 < Engen> inb4 molten copper
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T09:38:50 < mrdata> ok wait, i see 14A ampacity / 1.0 mm strand; then why not 266A for a 19-strand bundle?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T19:53:49 < fiola> Hodapp: I sympathize.  I found BlueZ docs sufficient to write interface code for a laser scanner many years ago, but couldn't find anything helpful for connecting up with A2DP at all.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T19:54:12 < password2> how can i make enough money to buy me a battery pack for my panel?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T19:54:27 < Hodapp> fiola: And as I understand it, they've since done an overhaul.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T19:55:02 < Stooby> I once took a big chunk out of some cheap multimeter leads when i was probing inside of a computer powersupply... tipped the probe slightly and tapped one of the heatsinks with it :(
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T19:55:19 < Stooby> a heatsink apparently energized to 240v :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T21:58:02 < victhor> (buydisplay.com)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:00:31 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, another interview this week
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:00:35 < FreezingCold> shit man, $22/h
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:00:39 < FreezingCold> ENTRY LEVEL
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:01:10 < FreezingCold> and it's overnight on the weekend, so I may still be able to take the other job I interviewed for last week
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:02:33 < victhor> I had found some on aliexpress, but the listing is now gone, and it included a 320x240 screen, which I didn't want. I was planning to use a 640x480 LCD.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:03:04 < nullvibe> any thoughts on getting a small embedded device's case open without cracking it? this thing HAS no screws, and the gap between the molded top and bottom pieces is too narrow to get even a small screwdriver into
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:04:08 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: bend it open
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:04:19 < FreezingCold> there's usually little clips that hold it with pressure
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:04:26 < nullvibe> it's too inflexible for that
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:04:45 < nullvibe> the little white box is what I'm trying to open: http://w2.dane-memory.com/mediastreamer/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:06:04 < nullvibe> seems to be pretty well-made and sturdy, which turns out to be something of a problem for people like me who need to get it open to get at the console pins :/
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:06:15 < FreezingCold> looks like clips or glue
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:06:34 < FreezingCold> is it just a RK3066?
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:06:40 < FreezingCold> or allwinner a10
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:06:47 < nullvibe> there are internal pics here: http://forums.hackaday.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4136
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:08:00 < nullvibe> ah, yes 24Kc-based "Atheros AR9330 (Hornet)"
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:09:32 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:09:33 < FreezingCold> that's slow
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:09:57 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: ...just read how the other guy took it apart
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:10:10 < FreezingCold> "This required connecting to the serial console which required popping open the case which was no easy task. I basically used a knife and cut along the seam around the top until i was able to get under the lid and pry the rest off. No permanent damage, yay!"
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:10:30 < nullvibe> yes, but look at the picture
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:10:36 < nullvibe> he left horrible tool marks
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:10:52 < nullvibe> was hoping there might be a better way
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:12:26 < FreezingCold> AND I THREW ON THE GROUND
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:12:38 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:16:36 < nullvibe> wonderful
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:17:28 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: btw, feel free to suggest something "faster" that's <= $40 WITH a sturdy chassis :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:18:15 < Polesch> R0b0t1!
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:19:20 < shvelo> by Gaben's beard, what's happening here
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:30:00 < Fatal> how many pennies did it run
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:30:47  * Jan- deletes lots of spam :/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:31:36 < _688as> will work 4 bbq
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:44:22 < malinus> what are some good multi-purpose transistors, in the 0-5V <2A range
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:44:35 < malinus> I need to go past the limit to get free shipping, hehe
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:45:39 < hjf> greyfox: you may want to add some resistors in series
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:46:14 < JFK911> i got a china parcel
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:46:26 < chris_99> anything funky?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:46:31 < JFK911> we'll see
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:47:45 < kfoltman> chris_99: me
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:47:55 < JFK911> beijing is fantastic
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:47:56 < chris_99> is it good? it sounds cool anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:48:05 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I love how Canada Post doens't give a fuck about lying on customs
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:48:08 < kfoltman> chris_99: you need time to explore the markets properly
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:48:34 < kfoltman> chris_99: other than that - food is good, people are nice... the bad parts are the smog and the car horns
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:48:45 < kfoltman> ALL. THE. TIME.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:49:01 < chris_99> i've been to the Japanese one but i think they're a _lot_ smaller in comparison.  Haha, yeah i imagine the food is cool
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T22:49:27 < JFK911> FreezingCold: probably it cost more in labor than they'd collect for GST for small packets from china
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:49:37 < kfoltman> chris_99: for some things (pre-made wires, basic components, phone spare parts) there's simply nothing to compare it to
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:50:12 < chris_99> do they have lots of weird exotic components too
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T22:50:22 < greyfox> mdorenka_, Do You know how big resistors do I need? .. How to count it? My usecase is that I have joined laptop and raspberry pi
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2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:15:44 < Jan-> well sure but if it never gets finished at all, what's the point
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:16:53 < JFK911> I still breadboard almost everything I want to try.  Once this year I haven't and I was basically copying an app note.
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:18:06 < JFK911> tester device
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:18:26 < FreezingCold> "A copy of your highest form, of completed education."
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:18:30 < FreezingCold> Does that mean my resume or my diploma...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:19:03 < davor> what is usually the voltage amplitude of headphone audio outputs?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:19:05 < JFK911> work at home resending money
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:19:23 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:19:41 < JFK911> money mule scam
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:19:54 < JFK911> people believe they can actually make big money doing mechanical turk like work
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:20:09 < JFK911> they're told to receive a scam wire and send payments out
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:20:14 < JFK911> so they do and then the scam wire is recalled
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:20:27 < JFK911> then the police come asking why they stole all this money
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:21:39 < FreezingCold> anywy
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:21:43 < FreezingCold> I can't type
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:22:05 < FreezingCold> so, are they referring to my resume or diploma?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:22:16 < davor> I would say your diploma
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:25:16 < FreezingCold> wtf, I call my college to ask a question, and I get a message saying "We're now closed as it's 4:30pm"
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:25:20 < FreezingCold> ...at 4:25pm
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:26:55 < blocky> laziness from a bureaucracy? shocking
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:27:42 < blocky> heh well put
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2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:57:59 < FreezingCold> Are direct deposit forms considered confidential?
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:58:08 < JFK911> hm 1mA base current is making transistors hot
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:58:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: what work at home are you trying, you're obviously working with foreigners
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:58:27 < hjf> JFK911: it's like a QFN
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:58:31 < hjf> 3x3mm
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:58:32 < JFK911> hjf: neat!
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:58:34 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Probably.
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:58:38 < FreezingCold> JFK911: direct deposit is how you get paid as an employee in Canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-14T23:58:44 < hjf> JFK911: http://www.murataamericas.com/udcdc
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:58:57 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: so I shouldn't email it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-14T23:59:58 < JFK911> FreezingCold: your last question showed they dont speak english well.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:07 < R0b0t1> Well, if you email it, that's supposedly your choice to make it not confedential.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:11 < R0b0t1> So... mail it, not email it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:15 < R0b0t1> Or deliver it in person.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:21 < JFK911> hjf: wow thanks im going to look at this
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:24 < R0b0t1> Or encrypt it.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:00:33 < FreezingCold> JFK911: there's a difference between lazy copy-paste writing and broken english
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:00:36 < FreezingCold> this girl is the former
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:00:47 < JFK911> ok as long as you're sure
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:00:54 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah I guess I'll just bring it in on Friday
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:01:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's a very real company, my classmate works for them :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:01:10 < FreezingCold> just retarded HR firm does that hiring
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:01:35 < JFK911> oh ok a lot of the scams are done by foreigners
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:01:37 < JFK911> congrats on the work
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:01:55 < FreezingCold> haven't got it yet...
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:02:01 < FreezingCold> but my friend got hired on the spot
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:02:21 < FreezingCold> so, fingers crossed
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:02:25 < FreezingCold> $22/h starting wage
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:04:15 < nullvibe> what kind of job is THAT?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:04:39 < FreezingCold> night shift medical assembly line
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:04:40 < nullvibe> that's practically mexican wages here, and I'm about as far from mexico and as close to canada as one can get
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:04:50 < FreezingCold> day shift gets $18/h
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:04:57 < nullvibe> ah, assembly line. gotcha
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:05:03 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: wait, are you saying that's really good or really bad?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:05:10 < FreezingCold> $22/h is amazing for starting in North America...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:05:29 < nullvibe> for unskilled labor, it's pretty good
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:05:55 < FreezingCold> it's not unskilled =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:05:57 < nullvibe> for skilled labor (>= bachelor's level), it's on the virge of slave wages
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:04 < FreezingCold> technical diploma required
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:13 < FreezingCold> so bout half a bachelor's
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:16 < JFK911> a specific diploma?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:23 < xorm> i was doing PCB layouts at $15/hour
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:24 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah, they *only* hire from my program
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:24 < xorm> :/
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:29 < JFK911> oh neat
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:30 < xorm> i was also 20
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:30 < nullvibe> wow, "cert" required. sounds like a mechanic, only without the ridiculous pay
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:36 < JFK911> FreezingCold: have you had a job before
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:06:36 < xorm> and a temp
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:44 < FreezingCold> JFK911: nope
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:50 < JFK911> FreezingCold: do you want advice
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:52 < FreezingCold> take it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:57 < FreezingCold> that's my advice
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:06:58 < FreezingCold> :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:00 < _688as> ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:00 < _688as> 22:59 < FreezingCold> $22/h is amazing for starting in North America...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:02 < _688as> LOL
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:03 < JFK911> sure but then what
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:10 < FreezingCold> quit?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:23 < JFK911> here goes: 1. Shut up 2. Do what you're told 3. Shut up 4. Shut up 5. Put your pride on the shelf, you're the new guy 6. Shut up
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:29 < nullvibe> _688as: californian? :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: solid advice :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:36 < _688as> negative
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:36 < JFK911> your career will be long and successful
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:36 < FreezingCold> thanks
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:45 < FreezingCold> _688as: do you really think $22/h is a poor wage?!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:07:47 < JFK911> you can forget about #5 after a while.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:07:58 < _688as> FreezingCold: for someone with a useful skill, yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:08:14 < JFK911> $44,000 / year
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:08:18 < nullvibe> good, then I can call it by its PROPER name in my mind... freakifornia
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:18 < FreezingCold> _688as: you do understand that I'm coming straight out of school with no employment history right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:23 < FreezingCold> I'm lucky I even got an interview
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:08:24 < JFK911> we have lawyers leaving university that don't earn this
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:26 < _688as> FreezingCold: what major
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:08:34 < ktwo> hey, anyone knows why my Infrared receiver TSOP 38khz goes mad, when i turn on my AMOLED screen? ^^ does it emit so much IR light? why does an LCD not?^
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:38 < FreezingCold> _688as: robotics, technical diploma
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:50 < FreezingCold> JFK911++
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:08:57 < _688as> "technical diploma"
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:58 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: actually, it also depends on if that $22 is US or canadian. if canadian, it's only like ~$20/h
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:08:58 < FreezingCold> this is the first time I've ever heard $22/h is a poor starting wage
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:06 < _688as> what's that, like a 2 year degree?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:09:08 < FreezingCold> _688as: community college diploma? I dunno what americans call it
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:09:09 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:09:15 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: Canadian
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:18 < xorm> ktwo, well you've got a shit ton of LEDs strobing fast
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:18 < _688as> that makes more sense
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:19 < Fatal> some internships pay that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:40 < Fatal> great for areas with small populations though
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:45 < _688as> yeah my 3rd internship in college payed $23/hr
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:09:48 < FreezingCold> dude, full out engineers in Ottawa only get paid $30/h starting *if* they're likely
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:09:54 < ktwo> xorm, mh but shouldnt they emit "visible" light?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:05 < xorm> ktwo, mostly.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:10:09 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Yeah but in 2 years they can switch jobs and make 100k
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:10:10 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: then the only way it's a good wage is if the cost of living is less there than it is here. which would be difficult, considering midwest, USA is about the cheapest in the country
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:10:12 < FreezingCold> _688as: co-op in my city peaks at $18/h for forth year
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:15 < _688as> i got hired as an engineer right out of college for $80k/year
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:17 < xorm> any LED has essentially a spectral bell curve
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:10:32 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh yeah that's very true. I'm going to uni this fall most likely since I'm still 18
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:34 < ktwo> ah, ok, and LCD does not?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:34 < _688as> 1 year later got offers for $100k/year
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:44 < xorm> if it's central wavelength is 680nm for example, you'll get a bit of radiation at 720
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:10:59 < JFK911> _688as: of course 100k is probably not worth so much as when you started
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:00 < xorm> how much depends on the particular LED
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:11:06 < FreezingCold> _688as: do you live in Cali or something?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:09 < _688as> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:13 < _688as> east coast
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:11:22 < FreezingCold> Miami?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:24 < Fatal> 60k is more of a common engineering salary to start at
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:30 < nullvibe> _688as: I have way more experience than most people my age due to both my hobby and my first position in industry, but they also kinda cheated me since I was only making $40k for five years
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:11:31 < FreezingCold> fetcher: yep, hence the $30/hr
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:11:35 < Leuthihi> Some days ago I mentioned my "strange built-in wifi which stops working occasionally until I do a sleep-wakeup cycle of the notebook"
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:11:53 < FreezingCold> this is the first place I've ever heard of people saying $22/h isn't good starting wage lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:09 < _688as> it's not a good starting wage for someone with a bachelor's degree
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:12 < nullvibe> I don't even consider anything less than $60k these days, because anything less than that I can make in the stock market and using far fewer hours of my time
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:17 < Leuthihi> Not I made a little program which checks whether the computer is still connected, and if not, it automatically makes it sleep and wake up.... and it works like a charm!
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:21 < _688as> i don't know about your crazy canadian college
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:12:31 < FreezingCold> _688as: in engineering maybe. I know very few people with bachlor's who made $60k out of the door
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:36 < Fatal> yeah, that guy is uninformed
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:12:38 < FreezingCold> my other potential job offer is $15/h
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:12:39 < JFK911> FreezingCold: I think its not bad but if you screw it up you're flipping burgers
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:12:46 < _688as> FreezingCold: then they wasted their time/money going to college
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:56 < _688as> s/college/university/
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:56 < Fatal> i know folks with masters degrees starting at 20~ hr
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:12:57 < FreezingCold> agreed, still doesn't change it though
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:12:59 < _688as> for you non-americans
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:16 < _688as> Fatal: masters in English or Anthropology probably
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:13:20 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: ALL engineers who exercise ANY sense get at LEAST $50k/yr here with a bachelor's
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:31 < _688as> ^
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:37 < _688as> even ones without any sense
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:38 < _688as> really
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:13:39 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: yeah as I said $60k starting
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:52 < nullvibe> and again, I'm in one of the lowest cost of living areas in the US. for freakifornia and elsewhere, it's more like $100k minimum
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:13:54 < JFK911> i know technicians making 100k with only high school and years of experience
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:14:20 < _688as> for software engineers, college degrees are optional
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:14:27 < _688as> especially in the security community
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:14:43 < FreezingCold> JFK911: >years
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:15:15 < FreezingCold> well, as an 18/20 year old I think it's a pretty fair rate?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:19 < Fatal> yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:22 < nullvibe> JFK911: because of hazard pay working in freakifornia or other non-"stand your ground", no-weapons states? :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:15:27 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:40 < JFK911> nullvibe: no because they are experts at what they do
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:45 < Fatal> my first job out of hs, i made 12/hr
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:51 < Fatal> first internship was 16
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:15:58 < Fatal> you are doing well
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:16:05 < JFK911> nullvibe: maybe part of it was they got hired during one of the waves of labor shortages
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:16:06 < FreezingCold> assuming I get an offer
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:16:21 < FreezingCold> Fatal: where do you live?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:16:25 < Fatal> midwest
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:16:32 < nullvibe> JFK911: I don't even know how many high-paying jobs I had to turn down because they were either in freakifornia or new york
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:16:47 < FreezingCold> what's wrong with new york?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:16:49 < FreezingCold> seems nice
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:16:57 < nullvibe> I prefer to be somewhere where I'm NOT likely to get mugged or murdered and the criminal never caught though
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:21 < Fatal> with what housing costs, that's not far off
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:24 < xorm> i'm in the bay area and i haven't been murdered yet
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:24 < nullvibe> I can only do that in stand your ground states who don't try to restrict my right to open and concealed carry
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:17:29 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: new york isn't that unsafe. more numbers = more crime
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:38 < _688as> nullvibe: i might be moving to PA from maryland
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:41 < _688as> so happy about that
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:47 < xorm> new york is astoundingly save given how many people live there
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:17:53 < _688as> first thing i'm gonna do is apply for LTCF
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:18:18 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: except you can't murder your murderer, and far too many murders go unsolved there. I have this thing about that...if someone murders me, I want every opportunity to be able to reciprocate before I go :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:18:33 < nullvibe> insta-justice ftw
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:18:54 < _688as> i walk around with a frag grenade with the pin pulled at all times
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:19:01 < nullvibe> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:19:36 < xorm> and get all geared up for what they think of as an eventual situation
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:19:43 < Jan-> nobody's really called "fran blanche"
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:19:46 < Jan-> she's kidding
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:19:57 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you're more likely get get murdered in Kansas City compared to NYC
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:01 < _688as> xorm: i actually just like going to shoot at the reange
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:10 < xorm> i do too
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:11 < _688as> range
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:12 < _688as> and hunting
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:20:24 < _688as> FreezingCold: per capita deaths might be higher in KC
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:27 < xorm> i like guns, but i think some people get into it for weird reasons
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:20:36 < FreezingCold> _688as: it is, I'm reading it off wiki
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:20:38 < FreezingCold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#Crime_rates_per_100.2C000_people_.282012.29
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:39 < _688as> but if you consider population density or murders/mi^2
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:20:45 < FreezingCold> per york is 5.1/100,000
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:46 < xorm> the firearm self-defense fantasy
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:50 < _688as> i'd bet NYC is worse
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:20:53 < FreezingCold> *per capita
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:20:55 < nullvibe> xorm: not me. there was a time I was in the hospital and hallucinating as a result of delirium. thought the nurses were trying to kill me ("angels of mercy"), and that's when I decided that allowing anyone to get away with anything that grievous would be totally unacceptable
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:21:06 < JFK911> I bought my gun because I saw a bear in my yard.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:21:08 < FreezingCold> _688as: population density doens't factor into this
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:21:12 < FreezingCold> raw numbers do
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:21:19 < JFK911> The bear actually got mud all over my car on thanksgiving morning.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:21:24 < _688as> FreezingCold: i think it does
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:21:42 < _688as> when you're talking about getting mugged/attacked/murdered when walking city streets
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:21:49 < xorm> nullvibe, you formed an idea in a delirious state and had it inform your daily life?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:22:13 < FreezingCold> _688as: most murders aren't random
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:22:20 < JFK911> dont matter if hes black or brown, if theres a bear between me and the house i'mma shoot it
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:22:23 < nullvibe> as strange as it sounds, I like the idea of being able to HAVE a gun more than actually CARRYING one. Reason being is that it's a deterrent to criminals. crime can run unchecked as long as criminals know that their victims are totally helpless (as in NY & freakifornia)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:22:46 < _688as> FreezingCold: the one's i'm concerned about are
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:22:49 < _688as> ones*
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:22:57 < JFK911> im not thinking a crackhead is considering 'does he have a gun' before doing anything
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:23:12 < FreezingCold> _688as: you're way more likely to get hit by a car
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:23:22 < nullvibe> crackheads are easy. it's the more calculating sociopathic sorts that are a problem
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:23:30 < _688as> FreezingCold: yes but that's out of my control
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:23:33 < FreezingCold> don't be an idiot (walking around in bad areas at 4am) and you have nothing to worry about
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:23:36 < FreezingCold> you can control that
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:23:44 < FreezingCold> it is in your control, you could never leave your room
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:23:48 < _688as> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:23:53 < student81> hello
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:24:01 < _688as> so just be like most people on IRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:24:07 < student81> perhaps everbody can help
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:24:15 < student81> i search an datasheet of
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:24:23 < FreezingCold> _688as: I bet nobody has died due to getting hit by a car while on IRC yet
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:24:28 < FreezingCold> It's possible
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:24:30 < FreezingCold> but unlikely
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:24:34 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: it doesn't matter WHERE I go or WHEN, actually. I'm muscular enough and tall enough to be intimidating to a LOT of people. Scared people (criminals or otherwise) are more likely to shoot first and ask questions never
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:25:03 < malinus> FreezingCold, I was once driving while chatting on irc
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:25:06 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: someone got arrested for wearing google glass while driving. they COULD have been using irc while doing so :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:07 < malinus> it got pretty close
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:13 < student81> i search datasheet from OHCM D494CD
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:25 < student81> you know who i can found it
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:33 < JFK911> student81: do you have a photo
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:25:42 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: so you shouldn't be that scared of nyc. Why would a criminal jump you instead of a stupid tourist?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:43 < student81> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:25:46 < student81> wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:26:09 < FreezingCold> _688as: I bet NYC numbers are way raised just due to the tourists being stupid and getting mugged
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:26:10 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: because they're desperate and know I can't legally have any form of weapon on my person, nor can I legally defend myself
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:26:24 < xorm> are you a felon
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:26:30 < FreezingCold> me?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:26:59 < JFK911> against the law to defend yourself?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:27:01 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: again, it still makes more sense to mug a smaller person and/or tourist
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:27:17 < FreezingCold> criminals don't seek out making their crimes harder than they need to be
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:27:24 < FreezingCold> if they believed in hard work, they would most likely be working..
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:27:32 < nullvibe> JFK911: it's not a stand your ground state. you're required to run rather than fight, even when the former will just make you more dead more quickly
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:27:50 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you said you're a big guy, you could easily out run a tiny crook then :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:28:03 < student81> wait
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:28:12 < student81> i must search of an pic
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:28:13 < FreezingCold> meh, I guess it's an American thing to want to whip out their big guns to compensate for their tiny gun
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:28:22 < nullvibe> perhaps, but I'm not superman. I can't outrun bullets, OR deflect them
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:28:31 < JFK911> nullvibe: that sounds pretty ridiculous to me.  i'd like to be ticketed for my weapons in nyc
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:28:59 < FreezingCold> what the fuck, what kind of criminal pulls out a gun and starts shooting in a public area?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:05 < nullvibe> JFK911: if you so much as get stopped while passing THROUGH nyc with them in your vehicle, you might wind up in jail :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:29:10 < FreezingCold> you understand that never happens, and when it does, it's major national news right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:29:11 < JFK911> FreezingCold: charles whitman was one
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:29:14 < FreezingCold> BECAUSE IT RARELY HAPPENS
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:29:18 < FreezingCold> >was one
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:28 < JFK911> nullvibe: firearms yes but im not bringing those to nyc
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:29:31 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: a desperate criminal, and it DOES happen. see: spree killers
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:42 < student81> don´t found an pic
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:45 < student81> sorry
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:50 < student81> it is an ic
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:29:51 < JFK911> i have pepper spray and sometimes a flashlight
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:30:01 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: just say you want to carry a guy because you think it's cool and I'll drop the whole thing
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:30:17 < FreezingCold> because there's no logical reason to carrying a gun "for safety"
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:30:44 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i have a logical reason to carry a gun for safety.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:04 < FreezingCold> if I was obama I'd probably kill myself in frustration
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:04 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: it isn't because it's cool, because I want to compensate for anything, OR because I enjoy the thought of EVER having to harm anyone with it. It's for the reason I already stated -- justice
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:20 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you enjoy the thought of harming someone for "justice"
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:31:23 < JFK911> I have even open carried in the post office
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:31:26 < JFK911> And the bank
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:36  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:37 < FreezingCold> americans..
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:31:39 < nullvibe> If someone shoots me, I have to assume I'm dying, and if I'm dying, the only way I know I can get justice is if I make them die before I do ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:45 < JFK911> FreezingCold: I have BEARS
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:31:54 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: Why do you even bother paying for a local police force?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:32:01 < FreezingCold> if you want to handle these things yourself, then it's a waste of moeny
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:32:09 < FreezingCold> move to a cartel controlled city in mexico
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:32:09 < nullvibe> good question. I guess because the government forces me to
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:32:28 < nullvibe> freaking cops take over an hour to respond here, and it's probably worse in NY
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:32:35 < JFK911> According to state law even if I shoot a bear the carcass is property of the governor until a policeman signs it over to me.  So I need the police
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:32:38 < FreezingCold> were you born in Texas by any chance?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:33:08 < FreezingCold> I'm trying to figure out which american stereotypes are correct lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:33:18 < nullvibe> that's assuming they show up AT ALL. one time it took them over eight hours to even call back. I literally could have been dead, buried, and the perp could have been safely out of reach in Cuba
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:33:46 < JFK911> oh florida
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:36:15 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: you know, maybe whipping guns out at the first shot isn't a good idea, because then how can you tell who was the first shooter?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:36:18 < nullvibe> could even "shoot" soundwaves like those anti-riot devices
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:36:21 < FreezingCold> NRA doesn't think shit through
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:36:59 < JFK911> NRA are there to make money, not any kind of justice or to make the world a better place
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:37:35 < nullvibe> ...for criminals
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:37:43 < xorm> but it keeps them from killing each other with guns
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:02 < nullvibe> criminals don't care about the laws, so they carry regardless. the only people who are disarmed are the innocent people they prey upon
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:11 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: last comment before I leave
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:11 < JFK911> nullvibe: The audience is different, but the idea is the same.  If they don't promote their causes they won't get funded.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:21 < Demolishun> can a SSR that has an AC output be used to control DC?  It is a zero crossing turn on I believe.  Crydom D2425.  I can control it with DC, but I wanted to control DC with it if possible.  The application is to put 20 to 24Vdc on a heated bed on a 3d printer.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:22 < FreezingCold> most guns in Canada used in crime are stolen from LEGAL OWNERS
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:30 < FreezingCold> take away the legal owners, less guns to steal
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:33 < FreezingCold> of course there's still some
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:35 < FreezingCold> but much less
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:37 < JFK911> Why isn't it a crime to leave your gun where it can get stolen then?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:39 < xorm> the UK hardly has guns
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:43 < FreezingCold> crazy jimmy can't steal his dad's gun anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:44 < xorm> you're not going to get shot there
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:45 < nullvibe> JFK911: they're called special interest groups for a reason, and it's not for love of money
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:38:55 < xorm> they might stab the shit out of you though
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:38:56 < FreezingCold> JFK911: in Canada it is
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:39:00 < FreezingCold> good luck proving it
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:39:02 < JFK911> nullvibe: the first interest is to keep the group running
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:39:05 < Demolishun> stock up on guns and shoot the canadians.  they wont shoot back...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:39:06 < xorm> i was in dublin once and this guy threatened to stab me
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:39:52 < Demolishun> and you will be blamed
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:39:56 < Demolishun> in the uk that is
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:40:16 < Demolishun> nullvibe, thanks, i will try it when i get my power supplies in
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:40:51 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: doesn't seem to be a problem for Switzerland, but then, nearly everyone there is military-trained
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:01 < Demolishun> i have the crydoms on hand so i figured why buy more
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:41:03 < FreezingCold> well yeah, trained people don't count lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:12 < nullvibe> they're even REQUIRED to keep their guns close at all times during the mandatory period of active service
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:20 < EponymicCycloid> Hey guys. I keep destroying soldering tips. What am I doing wrong?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:23 < Demolishun> nullvibe, sounds like the swiss understand history
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T00:41:47 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: point was the cultural part. america's culture is broken, everyone KNOWS its broken, but everyone blames the weapons instead
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:50 < EponymicCycloid> The tips get all crusty and the only way to make them usable is to scrape them off with a knife, which is obviously not good for them either
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:41:57 < xorm> EponymicCycloid, use a sponge or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T00:42:00 < JFK911> nullvibe: i took a free membership when it was offered to me.  I don't think I will put the nra stickers on my truck, because i don't want criminal thinking he might be able to steal a gun from there, or a policeman thinking he has to order me out of the car with hands up
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:26:50 < JFK911> Wow, the original cabinet was terrible.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:27:09 < Jan-> this was more a sort of computer desk my grandpa built.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:27:12 < FreezingCold> fuck I lost my glasses
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:27:18 < FreezingCold> I hate sharing a house
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:28:17 < JFK911> Jan-: Oh, many people built their own cabinets for the funky zx81.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:28:37 < JFK911> And rigged up scrap keyboards from terminals and other things
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:29:51 < cjbirk> hi
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:36:40 < FreezingCold> brb kexec
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:36:57 < cjbirk> http://lifehacker.com/5966625/make-an-attractive-portable-powered-speaker like this :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:37:39 < ShadowJK> Tachyon`, Yeah I mean I remember him talking on IRC when developing this, never caught the name of the project, but saw the wiki link and knew it was Winston's project
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:37:45 < Tachyon`> ahhh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:38:33 < ShadowJK> didn't boot anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:38:41 < Tachyon`> I think green is RAM failure
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:38:44 < Tachyon`> not sure what yellow  means
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:40:30 < Jan-> I could probably spend a while on youtube trying to find an old amiga tune I can only remember by the way it sounds, right :/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:41:19 < ShadowJK> right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:42:13 < SpeedEvil> (I don't know that that exists)
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:42:18 < ShadowJK> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:43:03 < Jan-> IT'S ALIIIIIVE!
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:43:25 < FreezingCold> There we go, got my wireless Apple keyboard paired
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:43:30 < FreezingCold> Need to get used to typing on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:43:41 < FreezingCold> fuck alt is in such a weird location
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:43:45 < Jan-> SpeedEvil but I don'ty have 10 hours
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:44:19 < Jan-> I remember finding the tune on an old amiga format coverdisc in some freeware type compendium thing
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:44:22 < Jan-> it went...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:44:25  * Jan- hums the tune
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:44:26 < FreezingCold> the command button is where i expect the alt button
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:44:27 < Jan-> ...you know it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T01:45:42 < FreezingCold> totally
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:45:50 < ShadowJK> As a teengar, my only source of music was tunes on random amiga floppies
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:46:32 < Jan-> uhhuh
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T01:46:45 < Jan-> and I am tortured by the memory of this one tune I fear I'll never hear again
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:12:38 < dhrosa> for my battery pack, I'm planning to put balance leads of course, and also a temperature sensor + thermal fuse for every series group, anything else I should do?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:12:50 < dhrosa> temperature sensor to hook up to a micro so I can manually view temps
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:13:29 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:13:30 < dhrosa> maybe a normal fuse too?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:13:35 < FreezingCold> I just fell for my own screensaver
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:13:42 < dhrosa> blue screen?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:13:44 < FreezingCold> it freezes the screen and still lets you move the pointer around
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:13:54 < FreezingCold> I was like WTF why can't I do anything?!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:21:06 < ShadowJK> It's easier to use as a generator than as a motor, afaik
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:21:58 < FreezingCold> meh, 90 wpm on a bluetooth keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:21:58 < Dark_Fox|Office> ANy of you guys blog or something? I want to record my projects online but I'm not sure what to use
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:22:01 < FreezingCold> that's decent
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:24:54 < scottstamp> Dark_Fox|Office, https://github.com/tryghost/Ghost
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:32:38 < Firehopper> http://t.co/gwsy3LI4hk < tactical bacon?! lasts 10 years!
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:35:13 < FreezingCold> I like how I can type fast on shitty keyboards
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:35:17 < FreezingCold> bahahahahaha
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:36:10 < berndj-blackout> i bought some switches today, they read "16 (6) A 250V AC T100" - what is the meaning of that 16 (6) notation?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:36:11 < hjf> what do you guise thinks of my board
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:36:12 < hjf> http://i.imgur.com/1wNyyUi.png
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:36:32 < FreezingCold> boring
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:36:56 < FreezingCold> you should place all your resistors to make a swastika
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:37:16 < FreezingCold> then send it to a Israeli PCB fab
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:37:25 < FreezingCold> and claim it was the auto routing that did that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:38:02 < blight> or draw little dicks all over
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:38:26 < FreezingCold> why not both?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:38:43 < blight> i didnt say it was an exclusive or :p
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:47:03 < FreezingCold> so I just noticed I have three keyboards on my computer right now
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:47:05 < FreezingCold> laptop keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:47:07 < FreezingCold> usb dell keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:47:11 < FreezingCold> and apple bluetooth keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:47:15 < FreezingCold> I'm using the latter
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:48:37 < JFK911> interesting, i think i lowered a transistors beta by zapping it too much current
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:48:49 < AR__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KZu0ECeMNk
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:48:50 < AR__> LOL
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:48:52 < FreezingCold> give it too little current and it should go back to normal
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:48:54 < FreezingCold> AR__: what is it
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:49:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: no it is lower than it used to be at low current
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:49:12 < JFK911> but im not sure it was connected properly
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:49:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: you missed the joke
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:49:25 < JFK911> no i didn't i dismissed it as ajoke
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T02:49:31 < FreezingCold> =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:50:35 < JFK911> at 10 uA base current it said >1999, at 1mA it said 1250
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T02:50:45 < JFK911> then after the "heating episodes" the betas were 500 and 90
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:18:22 < antibuddha> nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:18:47 < antibuddha> i recently got a new made in china guitar because it was on sale
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:18:52 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: yeah my college didn't teach people properly about voltage regs, everyone kept burning them
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:07 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: I screwed up with the PCB
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:19:10 < JFK911> i bought china strings because i found a guitar and am not serious
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:26 < FreezingCold> Seeker`: lol, put it in backwards?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:37 < Seeker`> FreezingCold: I have my shutdown pin connected to the input voltage, rather than connected to nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:40 < FreezingCold> JFK911: all the strings are mostly made in china anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:45 < FreezingCold> hahahahaha
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:19:47 < FreezingCold> niceee
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:20:24 < Seeker`> just soldered up another one that started having the same problem as the last one. Cut the shutdown pin with a stanley knife and it'll sit there giving out 50mA @ 5V quite happily. It starts to get a bit warm at 500mA though
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:20:32 < crocket> http://www.gawminers.com/the-black-widow-13-mh-s-asic-scrypt-miner-week-three/ says it consumes 320W. What is 320W here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:20:34 < FreezingCold> oh nice, my door checker just arrived into Canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:20:36 < crocket> 320W/second?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:20:48 < FreezingCold> kWh?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:21:00 < crocket> FreezingCold, http://www.gawminers.com/the-black-widow-13-mh-s-asic-scrypt-miner-week-three/
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:21:16 < crocket> Its power consumption is 320W.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:21:25 < FreezingCold> so 320W per hour
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:21:32 < FreezingCold> sorry, Wh, not kWh
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:21:41 < FreezingCold> well, it could be 0.320 kWh if you want
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:21:50 < crocket> hell
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:21:56 < FreezingCold> what's hell?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:22:04 < crocket> nothing
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:22:08 < Seeker`> crocket: it means it consumes 320 joules per second
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:22:35 < FreezingCold> it costs bout 3 cents an hour to run in most places in NA
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:22:49 < FreezingCold> assuming 10 cents per kilowatt
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:23:15 < Seeker`> cheap power. £0.16 per KWh here
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:23:26 < FreezingCold> what's that in real money?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:23:39 < Seeker`> probably about 22 cents
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:23:47 < FreezingCold> Quebec is like 10 cents, Ontario is around 15 cents
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:24:03 < Seeker`> 0.16 GBP = 0.27 USD
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:24:08 < crocket> ok
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:24:13 < FreezingCold> http://www.hydroquebec.com/publications/en/comparison_prices/pdf/comp_2013_en.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:24:13 < oscillate_> its all a little loony
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:24:39 < FreezingCold> Why is Winnipeg so cheap?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:24:44 < FreezingCold> Is it because nobody wants to live there?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:25:20 < oscillate_> loonie
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:25:45 < FreezingCold> so if you live in san francisco it would cost nearly $1k a year in power to run
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:25:53 < oscillate_> its all a little loonie damnit
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:26:12 < FreezingCold> 0.320kW*365 days*24 hours * 0.334 price per kW
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:26:22 < FreezingCold> /s/kW/kWh
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:27:47 < FreezingCold> crocket: what city you from?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:27:56 < crocket> south korea
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:27:59 < FreezingCold> ohhh
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:01 < FreezingCold> ouch
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:28:08 < crocket> Probably 0.1USD/kWh
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:08 < FreezingCold> you're probably going to get murdered on the power usage
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:13 < FreezingCold> hahaha you wish
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:51 < crocket> FreezingCold, Considering 320W/hour, it doesn't cost much.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:52 < FreezingCold> oh wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:57 < FreezingCold> korea has nuclear
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:28:58 < FreezingCold> I forgot
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:29:13 < crocket> Oh, we're doomed.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:29:16 < crocket> We have nuclear fission.
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:29:23 < crocket> The next fukushima.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:29:27 < FreezingCold> naa
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:29:45 < FreezingCold> cyber.kepco.co.kr/ckepco/front/jsp/CY/E/E/CYEEHP00201.jsp <- link off wiki
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:29:47 < FreezingCold> doesn't load here
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:29:57 < FreezingCold> but wiki says the price is from 0.05 to 0.50 USD per kW
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:30:04 < FreezingCold> 0.05 is cheap, 0.50 is super expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:30:05 < crocket> FreezingCold, I calculated, and it was close to 0.1USD/kWh
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:30:13 < FreezingCold> yeah I guess that's doable
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:30:16 < FreezingCold> pretty impressive
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:30:47 < FreezingCold> yeahh the price I'm seeing is 0.06 USD + service charges
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:31:24 < FreezingCold> crocket: set aside 300k won to be safe
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:35:24 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:35:37 < antibuddha> theres only a few places in the usa where kw costs more than 25ish cents
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:35:39 < ashes> it's 26C here, and i hate heat
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:35:49 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:35:58 < ashes> 14C is nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:36:10 < sabotender> ashes: I do not like the heat either
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:43:36 < antibuddha> so making cats extinct wont fix the problem
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:43:41 < ashes> without my cat, i would have very little contact with another creature
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:44:04 < srock> now kill the dogs
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T03:44:12 < FreezingCold> hey sabotender
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:44:33 < ashes> my cat likes to sleep near my head
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:44:52 < ashes> it's nice to know something is there that cares about you
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T03:44:54 < srock> you eat too much dog meat
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:12:51 < hjf> yay for eagle's ERC
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:13:00 < hjf> WARNING: PIN V- CONNECTED TO V+
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:13:16 < hjohnson> antibuddha: actually, most of the mercury in fish comes from all the coal fired power plants in China
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:13:34 < FreezingCold> wtf, you can build a nuclear reactor for under $100 mil?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:13:50 < FreezingCold> I'm reading that India's clone reactor was just $79 million
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:14:01 < FreezingCold> 100 MW
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:14:27 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: it all comes down to how you do your accounting
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:14:41 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: and I wouldn't trust any safety critical piece of equipment from India
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:14:54 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: well Canada did all the engineering
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:15:06 < hjohnson> sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:15:09 < FreezingCold> but I'm saying any other country /could/ buy Canada's plans and do it themselves
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:15:13 < slee> heh india
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:15:21 < slee> i have heard things
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:15:25 < FreezingCold> and you could easily buy them off India for under $5 million
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:15:29 < hjohnson> I've been there far too many times
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:15:34 < FreezingCold> probably more like $100,000 if you paid the right people lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:15:53 < slee> a former colleague was told by his travel insurer that if he got sick there they would move him to singapore rather than risk him in the indian hospitals
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:16:02 < FreezingCold> ha
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:16:06 < slee> despite the expense
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:16:17 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: though that number seems awfuly low... hek the heavy water needed for the reactor is worth a significant portion of that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:16:38 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: yeah I wasn't sure how they got it that low
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:17:19 < FreezingCold> wow, pakistan did it for $63 million dtoo
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:17:26 < FreezingCold> 137 MW
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:18:56 < hjohnson> but it all comes down to how you do the accounting... typically, in the west, the price given includes at least an estimation of the full lifecycle cost, including decomissioning etc...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:19:05 < hjohnson> whereas I doubt those numbers include that part of the equation
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:19:20 < FreezingCold> question, isn't 0.50$ still insanely high?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:19:31 < hjohnson> for what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:19:46 < FreezingCold> 69 million dollars / 137 megawatts
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:19:56 < hjohnson> eyah, those are really small reactors
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:20:07 < hjohnson> your typical CANDU is on the order of 600MW to 1GW
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:20:22 < FreezingCold> how does $500 per kilowatt make ANY sense?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:20:25 < FreezingCold> my math must be wrong
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:20:44 < hjohnson> makes sense if they're being used as breeder reactors for plutonium
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:21:04 < FreezingCold> still sounds too expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:21:20 < FreezingCold> given that it costs canada like 0.20 cents a kilowatt and we had massive budget overruns
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:21:20 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold, meanwhile, French EPR reactor in Finland is approaching 4 BILLION euros, HALF A DECADE over schedule, and nobody knows the final cost orcompletion date
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:21:24 < FreezingCold> where am I fucking the math up?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:21:44 < slee> in finland?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:21:45 < slee> where?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:22:05 < hjohnson> the Darlington Nuclear power plant, cost ~$5 billion, of which $1.5 Billion was for the heavy water
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:22:20 < FreezingCold> right
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:23:11 < FreezingCold> [20140514:212231~]$ tungsten "5 billion dollars / 3.5 gigawatts"
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:23:23 < FreezingCold> Unit conversions
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:23:23 < FreezingCold> C$1.43 per watt  (Canadian dollars per watt)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:23:36 < FreezingCold> yeah the math is wrong lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:23:38 < R0b0t1> your prompt is the date?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:23:39 < R0b0t1> :|
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:23:46 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: problem?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:24:01 < ShadowJK> slee, yes in finland
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:24:17 < slee> ... yeah i figured that much. where in finland?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:24:24 < ShadowJK> Olkiluoto 3
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:28:47 < ShadowJK> Never visited Rauma though
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:28:54 < TheLoneMilkMan> Should this crimping tool ( http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DHCRVSC ) work as a cheaper version of this ( http://www.pololu.com/product/1929 )? I'm not looking for a great crimping tool, just one I can get cheaply and quickly. These are the type of pins I'm using ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/360639696464 ). They also seem to be of the Dupont type
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:29:13 < TheLoneMilkMan> I asked around yesterday and this seems to be the best option right now
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:29:18 < FreezingCold> "The boat's emergency buoys and escape capsules had been welded to the hull to prevent losing them at sea, so escape would require the crew to make a free ascent in Arctic waters."
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:29:18 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:29:26 < FreezingCold> what's the point then!?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:29:33 < FreezingCold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-429
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:30:15 < ShadowJK> The staff were keen to point out "Those side by side cameras, the one on the left is ours, the one on the right is united nations"
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:30:19 < hjohnson> heh... one of our ferries here declared a mayday from drydock
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:30:24 < hjohnson> (the ship capsized... in drydock)
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:30:41 < slee> oops.
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:30:48 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I keep forgetting, are you the FL dude who works on ships>?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:30:58 < hjohnson> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:31:05 < hjohnson> i'm from .bc.ca
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:31:11 < hjohnson> and I don't work on ships, though I have a sailboat
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:31:17 < FreezingCold> damn it, I keep forgetting who it is
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:31:41 < slee> well, if you're visiting finland, Tampere is pretty good for being a tourist
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:31:56 < slee> aside from the far north, it was my favourite place
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:32:21 < slee> you missed out on the Mayday festivities though
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:33:42 < hjohnson> yeah, been there
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:33:57  * hjohnson has been to Finland probably a dozen times over the past 4 or 5 years?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:34:20 < JFK911> what do they eat in finland?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:34:34 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I was forgetting to remember it makes those watts every hour...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:34:47 < hjohnson> it was funny, I brought my GF with me once... was walking through the square in Hamenlina, and all the kids were staring at her.. realized it was pretty uncommon for them to see a chinese woman in the flesh :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:34:51 < FreezingCold> /(365*24) * 1000 (to kilo)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:35:05 < FreezingCold> lol, asian women are rare now?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:35:14 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: in rural Finland, eyah
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:35:26  * The_Coolest slaps slee around a bit with a Knife
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:35:33 < FreezingCold> a black person must be some ultra gem
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:35:53 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: so india's reactors are bout 5 cents a kilowatt
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:35:59 < slee> JFK911: we had an amazing Lappish meal in rovaniemi... brown bear, snow grouse, heaps of salmon, heaps of reindeer. it was extraordinary
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:36:25 < JFK911> slee: no elk/moose?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:36:34 < slee> nup
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:37:16 < slee> i liked it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:37:31 < slee> i liked the snow grouse most though
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:37:32 < R0b0t1`> FreezingCold, yes, your prompt is a problem :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:37:45 < slee> and the reindeer
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:38:02 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1`: you don't like time stamping?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:38:34 < R0b0t1`> what there's a dragon in the nmap build script
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:39:12 < slee> hjohnson my travel buddy is a finnish lady (though born and raised here in AU)... she looks like a finn and knows a bit of their impenetrable language. was very helpful
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:40:00 < FreezingCold> man I do love my bluetooth devices
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:40:09 < FreezingCold> it's such a sick protocol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:40:29 < FreezingCold> I use a wii mote for presentations lo
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:40:36 < FreezingCold> /s/lo/lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:40:38 < jaggz-> there's no #taxes channel
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:40:53 < FreezingCold> only suckers pay tax
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:42:21 < hjohnson> I'm guessing montreal just won, or at least scored
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:42:31 < FreezingCold> can you hear the screams?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:42:42 < hjohnson> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:42:49 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:43:23 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I see on twitter people are blaming the canadian ref
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:51:13 < ShadowJK> facing "wut u meen ais nawt deeyaling"
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:51:22 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: were we talking about arm the other day? cheap nxps vs cheap avrs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:52:38 < ss23> I like that quote
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:52:47 < R0b0t1`> what does that even mean
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:52:50 < ShadowJK> Which quote
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:52:52 < FreezingCold> nofxxx: yep
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:53:07 < FreezingCold> question, instead of picking fruit, is it bad just to cut the stem off right above the fruit>
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:53:08 < FreezingCold> ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:53:21 < ShadowJK> "I think you are mitaken, I am not a drug dealer" one?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:53:26 < ShadowJK> mistaken*
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:53:44 < FreezingCold> so you cut off the torus
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:53:59 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: what dev tools you suggest I get? JTAG prog? some parts? expeculating cuz the month delay between china and home
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:54:08 < slee> i totally love their ash-blonde hair. hardly anyone that tries to do ash-blonde with chemicals gets it right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:54:23 < nofxxx> I see those arms have ISP miso/mosi too, can I use say a usbasp to burn em? hehe
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:54:33 < FreezingCold> nofxxx: 5V RS232
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:54:45 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: hehe nice, got a few ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:54:49 < FreezingCold> nofxxx: 5V/3.3V reg
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T04:54:53 < FreezingCold> those are both ~$1
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:54:55 < ShadowJK> slee, ash blonde, as in, old?
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T04:55:05 < slee> not really
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:01:03 < nofxxx> B&K? linux support? looking for a linux friendly, looks like hantek is the option...
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:01:23 < FreezingCold> what are you talking about?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:01:24 < FreezingCold> I'm lost
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:01:47 < slee> linux support what?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:01:57 < slee> nobody even uses linux on desktops
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:06:35 < nofxxx> slee: arch + gnome 3... way better than my os x
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:06:38 < R0b0t1`> Yes, but if you're going to complain about unity I'd point at Debian, which is just as good...
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:06:59 < nofxxx> I refuse the even talk to you if you were meant winshit, as I don't count it as an option, or OS
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:07:18 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: a linux/osx friendly usb osciloscope
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:07:31 < FreezingCold> there isn't really any
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:07:34 < FreezingCold> too small of a market
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:07:38 < nofxxx> need a JTAG programmer too... is there some openhardware nice one?
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:07:39 < FreezingCold> just get a rigol
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:07:50 < R0b0t1`> nofxxx: openocd
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:07:50 < slee> i'm normally a mac guy on the desktop. but if i had to choose between windows and linux desktops i'd pick windows every time
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:07:56 < R0b0t1`> nofxxx: see what that project supports
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2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:08:12 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: looks like hantek one works.. saw some screenshots heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:08:18 < ShadowJK> During the recent XP mayhem, I installed Ubuntu for some people, because they hard on the news that Ubuntu can fix XP mayhem. So far no complaints, other than that people who have both Ubuntu and Win8 machines complain how win8 has such crappy apps, and their ubuntus have awesome things like gimp and inkscape
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T05:08:31 < ShadowJK> It's quite fascinating :-)
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:08:49 < FreezingCold> nofxxx: works yes, good no
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:08:58 < FreezingCold> they can't be real time anyway due to usb bandwidth
2014-05.log:2014-05-15T05:09:08 < nofxxx> FreezingCold: hum... I see
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:04:39 < bulaia> gangster like this?!?!! https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=800610196617342
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:04:55 < bulaia> warning: dont punch your screen
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:05:14 < ohsix> what if i was already
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:05:23 < bulaia> swag
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:06:40 < password2> bullshit retrosenator we have AC
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:07:04 < password2> then winter will bother me less
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:53:26 < Xantos> Is it a mosfet solution ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T08:59:11 < Polesch> Xantos, are MOSFETs soluble?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T09:49:22 < efc> it seems like its a glorified 8 bit latch but still there's some other stuff, more if you do all of ieee1284
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T09:49:59 < ampharmex> Anyone?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T09:53:30 < tawr> so, I got a VFD, except it's a graphics VFD that's almost 6" long and 1" tall
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T09:53:39 < tawr> i wonder how in the hell im going to drive this thing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T12:35:21 < nnumerals> what engineering software are you talkin about medfly??
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T12:35:29 < medfly> I heard PSpice is costly
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:30:38 < tawr> in fact very few warn electric winches even have a thermal fuse
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:30:57 < tawr> the only self-braking are the worm-driven Ramsey's
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:31:31 < tawr> tonsofpcs, I had never seen those before - cool
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:31:39 < _abc_> Yes a self locking worm gear would be a good idea on any winch.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:46:58 < _abc_> heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:47:04 < LeelooMinai> I bought something almost same, but cheaper, and attached it to my bench - in the hopes it will be a bit safer: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/noma-gfci-power-bar-4-outlet-0527268p.html#.U3UnrfldWRM
2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:47:04 < _abc_> Any Bakelite? ;)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:47:17 < Hyratel> several
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2014-05.log-2014-05-15T23:47:37 < ossifrage> it only happened when it was very cold and only on outlets that where drawing at least some minimal load
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:16:30 < zap0> i guess the big question is:  could a small panel change a battery pack suffeceintly during the daylight hours to sustain the nighttime usage of a web server.. given the nighttime usage of the web server will be minimal.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:16:41 < FreezingCold> man I hate how my online school insists I use Microsoft Word
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:16:44 < FreezingCold> fuck it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:16:52 < Hyratel> you're still very specifically NOT answerign the questions we are asking
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:17:01 < FreezingCold> I bet they use LibreOffice behind the scenes
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:17:07 < Hyratel> WHAT IS THE BOARD'S POWER DRAW
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:17:39 < Hyratel> you need to test the power draw of the board, then calculate that as a WattHour rating
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:17:42 < zap0> is something like this suffeient?    http://www.dx.com/p/solor-power-panel-auto-car-battery-charger-71635
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:22:51 < The_Coolest> going to add pads on the power traces/planes to connect external power supply
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:22:54 < Hyratel> I'm not. you're flatly refusing to provide required information for the question you asked
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:22:57 < hjf> The_Coolest: no idea i saw one from LT that had like 1mVpp noise and i was impressed
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:23:12 < FreezingCold> hjf: how's that PLC system coming?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:23:19 < hjf> The_Coolest: LT1931 or A
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:23:21 < The_Coolest> hjf, that is impressive
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:23:42 < hjf> FreezingCold: the case arrived today, i'll start wiring tomorrow
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:23:59 < FreezingCold> hjf: case for what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:24:05 < FreezingCold> I assume you're DIN racking all of this
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:24:19 < hjf> FreezingCold: the PLCs are panel mount
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:24 < hjf> eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:26 < hjf> DIN mount
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:31 < The_Coolest> hjf I'm trying to figure out how to turn a resistor divider on/off for a sine wave
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:31 < hjf> the VFD is panel mount
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:24:34 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:35 < zap0> Hyratel, you appear to have no imagination.  are you human?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:24:36 < FreezingCold> yck
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:37 < The_Coolest> say with a mosfet
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:24:44 < hjf> FreezingCold: no, that's actually good
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:24:50 < Hyratel> zap0, you appear to be unable to answer a question. are you human?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:04 < The_Coolest> hjf did you see this one? http://www.beis.de/Elektronik/DPLCM/VFD/DPLCMVFD.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:25:05 < hjf> FreezingCold: this goes inside a sealed case. the VFD has a bare heatsink, i'll use the panel (metal) as a sink
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:06 < Hyratel> show me some boards and we can work this out
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:09 < zap0> which question?   where is it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:25:26 < FreezingCold> hjf: and that case is DIN?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:28 < Hyratel> "show me a few of the boards you're looking at maybe using"
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:36 < Hyratel> "and we can figure out how much they draw"
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:46 < zap0> already answered that twice.   i haven't chosen one yet.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:25:55 < Hyratel> which will directly lead to the size of battery and solar panel you'll need
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:26:01 < Hyratel> THEN YOU CAN'T FUCKING GET AN ANSWER
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:26:08 < hjf> FreezingCold: the case is just a box 90x60x30, and it has a sheet metal...thing inside
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:26:13 < Hyratel> this is all math
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:26:22 < Hyratel> there is no imagination involved
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:26:28 < hjf> you put the DIN rails wherever you want
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:27:51 < hjf> The_Coolest: i'm working on an AV receiver thing now. i'm using LEDs behind black glass
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:28:05 < The_Coolest> :o
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:28:21 < The_Coolest> Nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:28:25 < hjf> FreezingCold: http://mla-s1-p.mlstatic.com/10847-MLA20034747408_012014-O.jpg
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:29:40 < hjf> FreezingCold: http://www.seva-tec.de/media/image/thumbnail/frequenzumrichter-siemens-230-volt-bis-1-kw_720x600.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:30:05 < hjf> that light blue panel is optional. cheap motherfuckers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:30:18 < zap0> what about a Raspberry PI?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:30:41 < dhrosa> what would happen if you tried to ship lithium ion batteries through USPS and they rejected it, back to sender?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T04:30:42 < FreezingCold> hjf: that's a cute Siemens module
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:31:27 < dhrosa> I bought a batch of 40 cells from this person, and then two days later a batch of 10. The batch of 40 cells is still in its first steps in USPS tracking, the 10 cell package is a few steps later, even though it shipped last
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T04:31:39 < dhrosa> I'm kind of worried that USPS stoppped the package of 40 or something
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T07:09:03 < dhrosa> and then when it doesn't, more bypass caps!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T07:11:52 < Casper> and when all work, overclock till it fail, drop a notch and sell it as factory overclocked... and then when the customers complain about unstability, tell them to de overclock...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:55:06 < evilbetty> ##cookingqueen
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:55:23 < cheater> kludge: people (visitors) aren't really bothered with the speakers tbh
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:55:24 < kludge> cheater: I am sure they are!  But they are not the only ones, get a few more who make more conventional speaker systems.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:55:41 < cheater> kludge: yeah...
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:55:53 < _abc_> http://phys.org/news/2014-05-australians-flaming-falling-sky.html they should tell the aliens to quit tossing the garbage out the window when passing already
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:56:20 < FreezingCold> awww fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:56:20 < kludge> cheater: ALL of the reps are going to helpful.  Some will be competent, some won't be, but this is a market where the reps and dealers HAVE to be helpful because otherwise they will be stepped on.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:56:22 < FreezingCold> this job is just assembly line :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:56:24 < FreezingCold> wtf why would they pay $22/hr instead of just fucking automating most of it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:56:31 < evilbetty> not the first time space stuff falls down there is it
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:56:41 < _abc_> No, but usually it is less spectacular
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:57:13 < Leuthihi> who in here wanted to disassemble the fly zapper again?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:57:16 < evilbetty> or was asked to pay
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:57:27 < _abc_> FreezingCold: There must be something to it. Do you have to assemble in a fridge? Anything they forgot to tell you?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:58:00 < FreezingCold> _abc_: they fucking hand place smt parts
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:58:02 < FreezingCold> I shit you not
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:58:12 < FreezingCold> no wonder the place has to have 900 employees
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:15 < The_Coolest> evilbetty http://img.techpowerup.org/140516/Capture1301.png does this look ok to you? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:32 < Leuthihi> smt, surface mounted.... t?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:38 < vietminer> what you guys think about grid-tie, worth it to spend money to decrease electric bill?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:58:39 < _abc_> FreezingCold: You moved to China?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:44 < Leuthihi> thing?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:46 < evilbetty> i'm more of a butt man, but it looks grey and blue
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:53 < evilbetty> crap
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:58:54 < FreezingCold> _abc_: the chinese wish they got $20USD/hr placing parts :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:58 < evilbetty> 2 mins to finish 2 tasks
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:58:59 < JFK911> is 50mV voltage drop in saturation extraordinarily low for a bjt?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:59:00 < _abc_> FreezingCold: I suspect $22/h will be if you do your quota. Which you won't.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:59:16 < FreezingCold> _abc_: na it's through a stupid HR agency that pays me
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:59:18 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i got a china device with hand soldered smt
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:59:20 < jaxdahl> surface mount tech
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:59:24 < FreezingCold> _abc_: they can fire me though
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T18:59:49 < _abc_> $22/hr in a place with what minimum wage? $11?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T18:59:58 < FreezingCold> $10.75
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:00:10 < FreezingCold> I'm pretty sure the designers of this factory wanted to place it in China, but couldn't get FDA approval for that
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:00:14 < _abc_> So figure out if there are hidden barbs.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:00:23 < JFK911> FreezingCold: are you building glucose meters lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:00:26 < _abc_> Canada no?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:00:27 < FreezingCold> _abc_: my friend already works there
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:00:31 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:00:37 < _abc_> So ask him
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:00:37 < FreezingCold> that's what they ended up doing
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:20 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I did, that's where I got a lot of the information
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:01:21 < _abc_> I can buy glucose meters and blood pressure meters, automatic, from China, sold here, for like $15-$25 each, new.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:21 < FreezingCold> http://www.abbottpointofcare.com/products-and-services/istat-cartridges.aspx
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:24 < FreezingCold> that's all they build
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:29 < FreezingCold> oh they make the meters in china
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:32 < FreezingCold> I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:01:39 < FreezingCold> but the cartridges are in canada
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:01:44 < _abc_> I have heard of some Abbott. Maybe not that one.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:02:01 < anick> Abbott is a big pharma company.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:02:08 < _abc_> Yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T19:02:12 < FreezingCold> yeah
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:03:06 < Jan-> hihi!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:46:10 < berndj-blackout> it says 20A / 10AX - i'm guessing the 'X' is for "reactive"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:46:53 < guanche> http://s22.postimg.org/3ssch7ahb/floppy_tachometer.png
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:47:01 < guanche> the schematics of the board
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T19:47:13 < JFK911> berndj-blackout: that sounds fantastic
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:18:42 < tawr> it's called "coping" or "saddle", Jan-
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:18:49 < Jan-> oh there you go :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:18:55 < tawr> on 2" aluminum pipe? how thick is it
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:19:01 < FreezingCold> How does this thing have so few parts on it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:19:01 < Jan-> I uhoh, like normal scaffold
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:19:02 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Aptinex-PICKit2-Mini-USB-PIC-Programmer-Debugger-/181149529943?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a2d5a7757
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:19:07 < Jan-> it's like 3-4mm I guess?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:19:29 < JFK911> FreezingCold: its just a microcontroller
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:19:35 < tawr> for a structual weld on 1/8" on 2" aluminum 90 degree saddle, I'd probably want about 1/16" gap at most
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:19:53 < Jan-> how would you do that
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:20:01 < Jan-> can't use a grinder, right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:20:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: here's the schematic though https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N5OJ3Lrwri0/TFBMGqLLYPI/AAAAAAAAAA8/UYSEoZK_eRg/s1600/PickitSchv1.JPG
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:20:07 < tawr> but realistically, a good weld could be done up to 1/8"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:20:09 < tawr> gap
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:20:31 < Jan-> ever heard of the six Ps?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:20:37 < tawr> Jan-, 1/8" could probably pass UT / x-ray with a good welder
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:20:38 < JFK911> FreezingCold: What's missing?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:01 < JFK911> I see 5 trannies
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:14 < JFK911> VPP is not high current man
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:18 < Jan-> ShadowJK I'm not sure if it's OK to use an angle grinder on non-ferrous metals
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:21:29 < FreezingCold> I guess...
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:31 < JFK911> angle grinder works on plastic, wood, bricks, concrete
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:31 < tawr> so up to 1/8" gap is fine. jan, there is a fwe ways to do it. die grinder with a carbide burr to clean the edges up
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:21:37 < tawr> and a carbide saw to do the original coping cut
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:50:21 < Jan-> Perhaps if we get you a ford f150 and a shotgun rack
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:50:31 < intranick> my state beat the shit out of the confederates
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:50:35 < Jan-> you just have to refer to everyone as "y'all" and wear a stetson with a really curly brim.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:50:43 < FreezingCold> god pickup drivers are the worst
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:50:45 < Jan-> ooh that's true they did didn't they!
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:50:48 < tawr> Jan-, what's funny is intranick WANTS a f150
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:50:52 < FreezingCold> it basically says "I'm an uneducated dick"
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:51:04 < Jan-> FreezingCold: it's OK if they've actually got some gear to haul
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:51:06 < Jan-> that's a hall pass
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:51:15 < tawr> Nothing more fun than primp, self-proclaimed intellectuals in tiny jap cars though
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:51:26 < FreezingCold> Jan-: usually the dick stereotype still applies
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:51:38 < Jan-> tawr you do have to be careful though
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:51:51 < FreezingCold> tawr: cheap hondas and toyotas are fine as long as the driver admits they're cheap crap
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:51:56 < tawr> to those judging another man's penis length on an arbitrary scale they created to help them go through life.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:52:01 < ShadowJK> Jan-; here, rebellious types used to have confederate and ussr flags side by side
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:52:06 < ShadowJK> it was kinda weird.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:54:11 < tawr> West, west, Jan-
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:54:20 < Jan-> whereas I introduced tawr to alabama's "born country", and caught him tapping along to it :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:54:30 < FreezingCold> intranick: meh, they're overpriced
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:55:46 < JFK911> 2sc897 appears to have C-E short, should I open it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:56:23 < tawr> Jan-, if you send me some sketches from your company i'll look them through and help you design if you'd like
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:56:39 < Jan-> we're not so much a company, phil's self employed
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T20:56:45 < intranick> FreezingCold: you sound salty
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:56:56 < Jan-> but the basic idea is a battery mounting plate for broadcast cameras, some sort of quick release arrangement
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:57:08 < Jan-> if you google for "sony v-mount" or "anton bauer gold mount" you'll get the idea
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T20:57:11 < tawr> Jan-, have him send a few sketches to me :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:07:36 < antibuddha> like drunk people walking around lost
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:08:15 < thewanderer1d> anick: about 6A at maximum brightness, according to the spec
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:08:30 < anick> or heatsink
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:08:41 < FreezingCold> fuck I'm annoyed
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:08:56 < FreezingCold> this stupid teacher dropped my midterm mark down from 99% to 96%
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:08:58 < FreezingCold> what a prick
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:09:10 < FreezingCold> he made a bunch of mistakes
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:09:15 < FreezingCold> I've already sent in an appeal
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2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:09:27 < FreezingCold> but... I have to send in documents for university now
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:09:33 < FreezingCold> so they'll see the incorrect 95% most likely
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:09:53 < FreezingCold> he's a taker
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:10:01 < FreezingCold> i steal dem hoes and 0.7 volts
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:11:09 < antibuddha> my sister was studying speech pathology for 2 years and dropped out because she didnt like the teachers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:14:21 < thewanderer1d> so I suppose it counts as a drop alright, even if switching the low side
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:14:50 < kludge> anick: probably not, it's just a random yard mushroom.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:15:38 < anick> definitely not psilocybin.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:15:52 < FreezingCold> antibuddha: fuck them, I know I'm right
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:15:53 < FreezingCold> :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:15:58 < FreezingCold> that's my policy with tests and assigments
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:16:04 < kludge> It would be a good place to sit under, if one were very small.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:16:21 < antibuddha> when 2 people use the same gmrs frequency do they hear each other? or is there a way to prevent that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:22:04 < kludge> thewanderer1d: that is the wonder of operating in saturation mode.  When the transistor is on, it develops very little heat because the Ron is low, when the transistor is off it generates no heat because the Roff is almost infinite.  It's only when it's _in-between_ that it produces heat so the goal is to keep it there for as short a time as possible.
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:22:06 < rainmanjam> without blowing out the amp
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:22:34 < kludge> rainmanjam: That would be a splitter network.  How many watts are we talking here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T22:22:35 < FreezingCold> antibuddha: man STDs are scary shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:22:56 < anick> 6A is still a bit on the high side for anything smaller than a SOT-223
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:23:12 < kludge> rainmanjam: AND, why do you want to transmit from 5 antennas at the same time and do you care about relative phase?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T22:24:42 < zigggggy> hey kludge! i am here
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2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:36:15 < tawr> and has more phd's than letters in the alphabet
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:36:37 < bobo1on1> really? then he's the biggest troll on the internet
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:36:55 < Polesch> This multimeter is starting to annoy me
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:37:50 < FreezingCold> tawr: beaky is also a CIA agant
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:37:51 < FreezingCold> *agent
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:08 < FreezingCold> hold on, I can find the logs
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:38:14 < tawr> Polesch, what's it doing?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:38:25 < tawr> you can't get annoyed at an Agilent meter..
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:28 < FreezingCold> May 16 15:10:10 <anick>	beaky works for the CIA. He has access to all your informashuns.
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:38 < tawr> fuck. that proves it FreezingCold
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:42 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:44 < FreezingCold> totally confirmed
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:38:51 < tawr> wait a second
2014-05.log:2014-05-16T23:38:57 < FreezingCold> what second?
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:39:19 < tawr> http://www.slashdot.org/2014/5/16/Beaky-ousted-as-CIA
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:39:21 < tawr> holy shit it's true
2014-05.log-2014-05-16T23:39:52 < Boohbah> ousted?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:38:28 < FreezingCold> we sure talk about the fbi a lot here
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:38:32 < FreezingCold> [20140516:173759~]$ cat .config/hexchat/logs/freenode-##electronics.log | grep -i " fbi " | wc -l
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:38:32 < FreezingCold> 44
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:38:50 < FreezingCold> [20140516:173816~]$ cat .config/hexchat/logs/freenode-##electronics.log | grep -i " fuck " | wc -l
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:38:50 < FreezingCold> 1135
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:38:59 < R0b0t1> <beaky> especially in arduino schematics
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:01 < R0b0t1> it was that bit
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:01 < FreezingCold> [20140516:173840~]$ cat .config/hexchat/logs/freenode-##electronics.log | grep -i " shit " | wc -l
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:01 < FreezingCold> 2075
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:05 < R0b0t1> that let me know you were not serious
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:06 < jorick> excessive use of cat
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:13 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: are you not trained in arduino math?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:19 < FreezingCold> jorick: fuck you I like my cat
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:24 < R0b0t1> 5 + 5 = 99
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:28 < R0b0t1> it's within an order of magnitude
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:37 < FreezingCold> [17:39:22] <beaky> btw is arduino suitable
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:37 < FreezingCold> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:39:37 < jorick> your cat is superfluous
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:53 < FreezingCold> arduino is never the answer
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:39:59 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: grep "pattern" /guile | wc -lelelelelelel
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:07 < FreezingCold> ....what will that do?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:40:07 < R0b0t1> jorick: I recently had to retrain myself.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:40:12 < R0b0t1> Not use cat.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:20 < FreezingCold> wc: invalid option -- 'e'
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:24 < FreezingCold> :>
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:40:26 < R0b0t1> just an l
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:40:27 < R0b0t1> :>
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:30  * FreezingCold upgrades troll level
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:39 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I still like typing cat, my fingers are used to it
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:40:45 < FreezingCold> I always forget where to put the file name for grep
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:41:03 < FreezingCold> I feel like it should be grep [file] [pattern]
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:41:07 < FreezingCold> but it's the other way around IIRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:41:42 < jorick> no, files goes last (you can have multiple files)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:42:33 < FreezingCold> files should go first
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:42:36 < FreezingCold> just saying
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:42:48 < FreezingCold> or have grep --input [file] as an option
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:42:58 < FreezingCold> that's why my cat is awesome
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:42:59 < JFK911> lame
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:43:27 < FreezingCold> you're lame
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:43:39 < FreezingCold> your as lame as beaky's arduinos
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:43:47 < FreezingCold> ohhhhhhhh rekt
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:44:02 < FreezingCold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:45:42 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T00:45:58 < sabotender> FreezingCold: agreed
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T00:47:49 < dhrosa> uou need 44ksps at best
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:31:50 < The_Coolest> lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:10 < FreezingCold> yay, my new keyboard came in the mail
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:34:12 < The_Coolest> Plagued with what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:19 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold which one is it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:22 < FreezingCold> Not very good with it yet, only typed like 80 wpm on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:35 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: das ultimate, blue switches
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:43 < FreezingCold> it's blacked out, no key lettering
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:34:46 < JFK911> whyd you pick blue
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:34:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I like the clicky?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:34:56 < JFK911> oic
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:05 < FreezingCold> JFK911: It's usually the fastest to type on
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:11  * The_Coolest high-fives FreezingCold
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:11 < FreezingCold> and I don't gave
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:12 < FreezingCold> *game
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:15 < The_Coolest> I've got the same one
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:15 < JFK911> i like brown the best
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:29 < JFK911> what do you think of the feel
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:30 < The_Coolest> split ftw
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:34 < FreezingCold> What are browns again?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:42 < The_Coolest> tactile
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:35:45 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I like it, it's much lighter than I expected
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:49 < JFK911> they have a very slight bump instead of a loud click
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:49 < The_Coolest> but without the click
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:35:49 < The_Coolest> ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:00 < JFK911> the action's the same, you dont have to press the key all the way down etc etc
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:36:01 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: If you like spartan looks, you coulg get one of those Apple keyboards with just one button, like their mouse
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:08 < JFK911> yeah they got the spring force perfect in these
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:24 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai for windows you'd need 3
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:24 < JFK911> they're from germany what do you expect
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:36:27 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: serious question, did they ever made a concept like that
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:36:28 < FreezingCold> ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:30 < The_Coolest> Ctrl + Alt + Delete
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:43 < JFK911> try not to bottom out
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:36:49 < JFK911> once you learn this you'll go a lot faster
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:36:52 < FreezingCold> I usually always bottom on
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:36:54 < FreezingCold> *out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:00 < JFK911> on shitboards you must do that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:07 < FreezingCold> bad habit probably
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:15 < FreezingCold> on blues, don't you kinda have to bottom out?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:18 < JFK911> nope
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:19 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold there are special rings you can put on the buttons to quiet down the bottoming oout
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:20 < JFK911> try it slowly
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:20 < The_Coolest> out*
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:22 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: No, but I remember a troll "ad" that was fooling people they released a one-button keyboard:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:28 < The_Coolest> on browns it makes it near silent
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:28 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: fuck that, I like the noise
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:33 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:36 < The_Coolest> me too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:46 < LeelooMinai> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:37:47 < LeelooMinai> :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:37:52 < FreezingCold> JFK911: that seems to be pretty hard to get it the right distance
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:38:06 < FreezingCold> I don't know if I can type fast without bottoming out
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:38:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: the click should be right near that point
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:38:11 < JFK911> it takes some practice
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:38:17 < JFK911> when you get it, you'll go faster
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:38:18 < FreezingCold> heh, will I actually type faster?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:38:21 < JFK911> yes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:38:29 < electronics> Hi gusy
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:38:59 < The_Coolest> but I think you're right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:39:16 < LeelooMinai> "everything is just a few hundred clicks away" - lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:39:16 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:39:44 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: I just hit 103 wpm with bottoming out
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:39:56 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai I've seen that a long time ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:40:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: did you see typeracer
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:40:10 < LeelooMinai> Me too - I just remembered it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:41:02 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I use 10fastfingers
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:41:11 < FreezingCold> it uses more common words that I actually know how to type
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:41:22 < FreezingCold> I usually think of typing in terms of words, not letters
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:41:25 < JFK911> haha typeracer will put up shit like shakespeare and bob dylan
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:41:35 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai http://www.ifans.com/forums/attachments/keyboard-ctrl-alt-del-jpg.67156/
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:41:35 < FreezingCold> yeah I can't type letter by letter
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:41:52 < JFK911> how can you code then
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:42:05 < FreezingCold> I code probably at like 30 wpm
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:42:12 < FreezingCold> well, maybe 50 wpm
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:42:18 < FreezingCold> but not anywhere close to 100 wpm
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:42:29 < The_Coolest> Oh I don't think I'm that fast
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:42:33 < LeelooMinai>  The_Coolest: That is not funny any more... but it was during win95 era:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:42:40 < The_Coolest> yeah :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:42:43 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: how fast can you type normal stuff at?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:42:53 < JFK911> i used os/2 until NT was usable
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:43:00 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai>> you still need it when you log in on a server OS
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:47:54 < JFK911> i mostly bought intel boards i feel like thats why i didnt have issues
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:48:03 < The_Coolest> I had my program running on NT3.51
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:48:37 < FreezingCold> yo, I should totally carry my Das around and use it with my Nexus 7
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:48:40 < The_Coolest> but later I had to give that up, as I moved to a newer VS version and 2k became the minimum usable OS due to compiler limitations
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:48:46 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, I need to buy some tiny pc with parallel port for my CNC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:48:47 < FreezingCold> I wonder how much of a dick I would be if I brought this thing to class
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:48:55 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: dude, android
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:48:56 < FreezingCold> otg
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:49:04 < FreezingCold> ohhhh parallel
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:49:09 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai there are PCI cards, won't they work?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:49:34 < LeelooMinai> It's advisable to have this "real" port - I intend to run linuxcnc on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:49:38 < The_Coolest> FreezingCold heh.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:49:47 < SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PCI-E-Express-controller-Parallel-Printer-Adapter-Card-/320895334224?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item4ab6da3750
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:49:58 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai just find some old PC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:50:06 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: just heh?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:21 < LeelooMinai> I don't want old pc... I want cheap modern one, preferably silent
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:32 < The_Coolest> Well I have one
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:35 < JFK911> use a beaglebone
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:50:37 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I don't even think those USB - parallel ports work for what you want
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:38 < JFK911> it has parallel gpios
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:39 < The_Coolest> it's actually semi-modern
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:50:39 < FreezingCold> even if you were okay with the lag
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:50:50 < JFK911> theres a $5 housing for it at mouser now
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:51:00 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai It's a pretty old motherboard, but sports a Phenom II x4 2.8ghz
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:51:03 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Yes, I am not going to try that route - I will probably just buy motherboard with parallel port
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:51:04 < The_Coolest> 4gb of ram
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:51:11 < The_Coolest> so it's not total crap
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:51:20 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: hold on
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:52:35 < ShadowJK> lol?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:53:33 < FreezingCold> The_Coolest: I wonder how loud a usual university lecture is
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:53:50 < FreezingCold> my college program was really small and it was practical anyway, so no notes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:53:52 < The_Coolest> why?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:54:05 < FreezingCold> like, could I use my das in class or na?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:54:15 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, newegg has whole category in motherboards called "embedded solutions" - some kind of tiny motherboards with CPU, etc.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:54:16 < FreezingCold> would the blues going at 100 wpm piss people off?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:54:28 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: yeah usually intel atoms, they're overpriced IMO
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:54:43 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai I think that wouldn't be a very good idea
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:55:04 < The_Coolest> LeelooMinai look into AMD integrated ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:55:16 < LeelooMinai> I don't really need it to be tiny
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:55:18 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: IIRC usb -> serial -> parallel works as a "real" device
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:55:19 < The_Coolest> APUs such as E350 or E450
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:55:40 < FreezingCold> heh, AMD got into that game?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:55:59 < The_Coolest> a long time ago
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:56:22 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: just get an old PC you already have and throw a PCI parallel card in there
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:57:12 < LeelooMinai> Hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:57:18 < voxadam> Why do Japanese electronics manufactures think that backing their demo videos with a 1970s porn soundtrack is a good idea?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:57:24 < voxadam> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ-JjS6Pl0w
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:57:33 < FreezingCold> voxadam: is there moaning?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:57:48 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-to-RS232-DB9-COM-Serial-Cable-DB25-Pin-Adapte-Converter-PC-Parallel-Port-/121187102657?pt=US_Parallel_Serial_PS_2_Cables_Adapters&hash=item1c37506fc1
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:57:49 < FreezingCold> maybe?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:57:53 < voxadam> The Japanese don't moan.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:58:05 < voxadam> It's a very restrained socienty. :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:07 < FreezingCold> yeah asian porn does suck
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:58:10 < voxadam> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:58:11 < electronics> Damn i just got a Pavlov boner
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:12 < FreezingCold> honestly not impressed at all
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:15 < FreezingCold> Americans do it best
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:24 < FreezingCold> Malibu porn = wni
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:26 < FreezingCold> *win
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:58:51 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: I have nice usb to serial/parallel boxes - I think edgeports or something liek that, but the linuxcnc people say its a terrible idea
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:59:11 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: those fuckers don't even know how to install a real time kernel on their own lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:59:23 < FreezingCold> they thought they needed to create an entire distro for a frigging package haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T01:59:31 < LeelooMinai> I mean people who wrote the linuxcnc software:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:59:43 < FreezingCold> I'm saying the same thing
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T01:59:55 < FreezingCold> just add depends=(linux-realtime) for arch
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:00:01 < FreezingCold> I'm sure debian has the same deal
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:00:10 < The_Coolest> http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/500x_chain-usb1.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:00:14 < LeelooMinai> E, I think they researched it first...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:00:35 < The_Coolest> I think that should work
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:00:36 < The_Coolest> :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:01:06 < LeelooMinai> hdmi to IR
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:01:10 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: off topic, but is RTLinux still supported?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:01:21 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Supported where?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:01:25 < FreezingCold> I thought I heard some rumors that it was getting commercially dropped
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:01:53 < LeelooMinai> I have no idea - I am just researhing what I need to get things going for CNC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:02:06 < FreezingCold> oh, it seems intel has taken over a bit
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:02:06 < LeelooMinai> It's a bit confusing though
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:02:13 < FreezingCold> what's confusing?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:02:20 < FreezingCold> I found it pretty easy, shoot me questions
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:02:21 < LeelooMinai> The whole software stack for CNC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:02:40 < FreezingCold> well, they have made a mess of their packaging if that's what you mean
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:03:05 < LeelooMinai> And also the whole motion controller vs parallel port business
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:03:24 < FreezingCold> controller is a better idea
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:03:33 < FreezingCold> otherwise you're just praying that the parallel port is fast enough
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:03:40 < FreezingCold> which is sometimes/usually is
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:03:47 < LeelooMinai> INdeed, but it's not supported by linuxcnc nor mach 3 and such
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:04:00 < FreezingCold> which isn't supported? controller or port?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:04:07 < LeelooMinai> motion controllers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:04:20 < LeelooMinai> I read that mach 4 will s uport some
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:04:20 < FreezingCold> that's because everybody wants to design theirs differently
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:04:28 < FreezingCold> the market is really split
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:04:39 < LeelooMinai> That's what I meant by "mess"
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:04:40 < FreezingCold> And OEMs are pricks, so it's just hobbyists
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:05:00 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: dude, any semi-heavy machinery software /will/ piss you off
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:05:17 < LeelooMinai> So far I decided to start conservativelly and dedicate one pc with parallel port to the CNC and see how it goes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:05:41 < LeelooMinai> I will htink about motion control later
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:05:52 < FreezingCold> don't do motion control unless you want to put a lot of time into it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:06:15 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: I saw some nice startups like, e, what was it, smoothieboard?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:06:28 < FreezingCold> you know, I don't have the money right now, but I was thinking in a bunch of situations I bet it's worth it just to outsource the software driver, and give it to the community to fix
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:06:42 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: meh, I don't really follow the startup scene
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:07:11 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but what do you do really? You have some CNC setup?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:07:32 < FreezingCold> Nothing. I'm a dreamer. I just read how to do everything and then do nothing
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:07:42 < LeelooMinai> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:08:15 < LeelooMinai> Sounds a bit depressing
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:08:45 < FreezingCold> I guess it is to some point, but I enjoy planning
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:08:54 < FreezingCold> one day I'll do something big
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:09:04 < LeelooMinai> https://www.flickr.com/photos/100017731@N03/14189595041/
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:09:19 < LeelooMinai> I am almost done with my CN platform - doing small pieces like this now
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:09:28 < LeelooMinai> mounts for digital readout scales, etc.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:09:40 < FreezingCold> weird question, does the FDA ever approve manufacturing outside of the USA, and how does that work with inspections?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:10:28 < FreezingCold> my recruiter mentioned FDA approval, but I'm wondering if she actually got it right or not
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:11:26 < FreezingCold> http://www.fda.gov/InternationalPrograms/
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:11:29 < FreezingCold> well that was easy to find
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:11:29 < LeelooMinai> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157471
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:11:36 < LeelooMinai> New MB with printer port:)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:11:52 < FreezingCold> ASRock is a really nice company
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:12:00 < FreezingCold> they're like the motherboards of Rockchip
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:12:20 < LeelooMinai> I remember they wre some kind of Asus related spin-off?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:12:43 < LeelooMinai> That was supposed to make cheap MBs, but later they got a bit fancier
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:12:44 < FreezingCold> yeah, IIRC they're fabless
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:12:56 < FreezingCold> I guess fab isn't the right word here since they don't make chips
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:12:59 < FreezingCold> but you know what I mean
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:13:28 < LeelooMinai> Hmm, it has com ports too
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:13:36 < FreezingCold> Taiwan engineering is weird, I can't decide if I like it or not
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:13:37 < R0b0t1> ASRock makes okay stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:13:58 < LeelooMinai> "This motherboard is specifically designed for mining Bitcoins," ... lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:11 < FreezingCold> hahaha
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:12 < R0b0t1> Heh.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:14 < FreezingCold> cashing in on bitcoins
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:18 < R0b0t1> Link?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:23 < FreezingCold> [19:11:22] <LeelooMinai> http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157471
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:23 < R0b0t1> I wish to laugh heartily
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:29 < LeelooMinai> I just linked it - the same one with printer port
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:33 < R0b0t1> Oh are you kidding me
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:34 < FreezingCold> " This motherboard is specifically designed for mining Bitcoins, the revolutionary digital crypto-currency that may be used anywhere in the world. The abundant onboard PCIe slots guarantee fast GPU mining, while the additional power connectors provide advanced system stability while mining."
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:39 < R0b0t1> well now I think less of ASRock
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:51 < FreezingCold> lol everyone was/is cashing in on bitcoin crazy
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:14:52 < LeelooMinai> It's just marketing stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:14:56 < FreezingCold> fucking amd bro
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:15:12 < FreezingCold> I don't understand how they managed to raise their prices that much just due to bitcoin
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:15:23 < FreezingCold> they were selling out right away for their top end cards
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:15:28 < R0b0t1> Answer is simple
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:15:34 < R0b0t1> people were still buying
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:04 < FreezingCold> wanna know a secret? do you know why I trust the USD more than bitcoin?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:10 < FreezingCold> it's not because I trust the US government
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:16:18 < LeelooMinai> It just happened that AMD approach to GPUs made them faster at mining - a lot of simpler stream processors, instead a bit less, but more powerful in Nvidia
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:21 < FreezingCold> it's because I trust them to fuck with anyone who fucks with their currency
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:48 < FreezingCold> bitcoins are going to get broken one day
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:51 < FreezingCold> not anytime soon
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:16:54 < FreezingCold> but some day
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:02 < CESSMASTER> you know why i trust the USD ore than bitcoin?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:06 < CESSMASTER> because the USD is actual money
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:10 < CESSMASTER> with which you can buy actual stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:13 < FreezingCold> "actual money"
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:13 < CESSMASTER> like big macs
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:15 < LeelooMinai> So far they survived a lot of events that seemed pretty catastrophic
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:20 < FreezingCold> you know that term doesn't really work right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:22 < CESSMASTER> from people who aren't weird internet libertarians
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:29 < FreezingCold> you can cash out bitcoins
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:32 < CESSMASTER> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:32 < FreezingCold> bitcoins /are/ real money
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:33 < CESSMASTER> for real money
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:35 < FreezingCold> just not very good money
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:37 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: You and CESSMASTER's comments were the same.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:42 < R0b0t1> It's real money because it's backed by force.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:17:53 < CESSMASTER> basically
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:17:58 < FreezingCold> I agree, except I still say bitcoin is real weak money
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:18:00 < CESSMASTER> but more importantly it's backed by big macs
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:18:15 < FreezingCold> can you picture what would happen when a currency gets zero day'd?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:18:16 < R0b0t1> The best definition of money I was made aware of was the one involving taxes.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:18:16 < FreezingCold> oh god
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:18:29 < R0b0t1> You can't have money without a government, because money pays taxes.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:19:00 < FreezingCold> pretty accurate
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:19:17 < FreezingCold> look at all the countries with shit govts that don't know how to manage money, they all go back to using the USD
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:19:36 < drac_boy> hi
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:20:23 < FreezingCold> the exceptions are tiny govts that can't afford regulating a currency, but ignore that
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:21:22 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: interesting, so FSMLabs does the commercial stuff for RTLinux
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:21:38 < drac_boy> any of you think that a 12v>24v dc converter that can also handle an engine starter's load as well seem plausible on budget or its probably a bit too out of the field?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:21:55 < FreezingCold> I can give you a really shitty method
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:22:09 < FreezingCold> drac_boy: 12V to 5V (usb car charger) and then boost 5V to 24V
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:22:18 < FreezingCold> enjoy dat efficiency thou
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:23:00 < drac_boy> umm I kinda doubt 5V traces could handle the load?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:23:15 < JFK911> traces arent meant for voltage anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:23:20 < R0b0t1> drac_boy: "on budget" is what makes it impossible
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:23:54 < R0b0t1> Soo... yes, a converter exists, it's called a charger + battery.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:24:06 < drac_boy> thats not a converter
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:24:08 < FreezingCold> drac_boy: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DC-DC-4-5-32V-to-5-42V-Boost-module-5v-to-12v-24v-12v-to-24v-36v-exceed-LM2577-/161145360061?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2585030ebd
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:25:06 < drac_boy> freezingcold did you read? 4A is going have hard time turning engines :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:25:17 < drac_boy> unless...hmm...you had a small 2-cylinder vw :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:25:40 < FreezingCold> drac_boy: oh, I thought you just meant that it had to deal with the engine creating voltage spikes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:25:42 < R0b0t1> drac_boy: Sure it's a converter. One of the stages is chemical.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:26:00 < drac_boy> freezingcold..ahh ... yeah its the other way around sorry :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:26:53 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: hmm, I wonder how RTLinux compares to QNX
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:27:09 < FreezingCold> QNX had so much promise, but it seems that the grumpy old farts at blackberry are killing it
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:27:27 < FreezingCold> wow, they got bought out four years ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:27:31 < FreezingCold> time sure flies
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:30:33 < impulse> FreezingCold: they get bombed back to the USD
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:31:00 < malinus> would a normal Li-ion battery survive exposure to vaccum, or might it leak or something?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:31:06 < R0b0t1> freed from the opression of non-USD currency*
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:31:17 < R0b0t1> malinus: I'd expect it to survive.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:43:41 < upgrdman> pull some capacitors from a crt monitor pcb. looks like film caps, but: how many nF/uF? and it says DC2000V, but it looks like they're not polarized... so why dc?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:43:43 < upgrdman> http://farrellf.com/temp/hv_caps.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:44:32 < FreezingCold> impulse: damn, the iraqis didn't accept the freedom USD bombing
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:44:38 < FreezingCold> they're still using their own currency IIRC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:44:51 < FreezingCold> rich afghans use USD though
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:45:07 < FreezingCold> and by "rich" I just mean not living paycheque to paycheque for food
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:47:55 < R0b0t1> malinus: I knew you were going to space.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:47:57 < R0b0t1>               knew it.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:48:42 < malinus> R0b0t1, :D. You wanna come with me?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T02:49:29 < FreezingCold> Did someone mention coming?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:49:45 < ODB2> going where, precisely?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T02:49:58 < R0b0t1> ODB2, space, apparently.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:01:42 < upgrdman> thanks
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:04:52 < ODB2> upgrdman, I am still puzzled by that HV cap
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:05:06 < upgrdman> ok. fair enough.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:07:18 < FreezingCold> https://i.imgur.com/WzBM7pD.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:07:21 < FreezingCold> I'm so cool
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:08:41 < JFK911> how much is the filco
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:08:48 < JFK911> i have a real cherry
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:09:29 < upgrdman> i wonder if this was a beaky project   https://imgur.com/qjHKbXL
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:09:54 < [ill]will> lollerskates
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:12:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911: mine is a das, not a filco
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:00 < FreezingCold> I got real cherries too
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:02 < FreezingCold> mx blue
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:13:07 < JFK911> no cherry made my whole kb
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:12 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:13:12 < JFK911> i know you got the da$ kb
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:13:17 < JFK911> how much cost the filco and the rosewill
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:19 < FreezingCold> wasn't that bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:26 < FreezingCold> $135 local pickup
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T03:13:32 < FreezingCold> rosewill blows
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:14:00 < JFK911> well the kb i had sold for $200 but i got a bunch of used ones from cash registers
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:14:07 < JFK911> only the number pad enter was ever used apparently
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T03:14:14 < ODB2> not as cool as me: http://oi60.tinypic.com/sn1atf.jpg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:08 < OoTLink> hard drives?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:08 -!- hoverboard [~hoverboar@unaffiliated/hoverboard] has joined ##electronics
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:16 < Username_> External hardrives
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:24 < OoTLink> man
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:31 < OoTLink> I bet the air conditioner works great like that now that you're standing lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:13:33 < OoTLink> only one thing that bugs me
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:26:12 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/FGasSce.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:26:23 < OoTLink> except with a couple bottles of water on the table. yay.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:26:54 < Username_> someones trendy
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:28:14 < anonnumberanon> BOOOOOM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSWdZVtXT7E'
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:28:25 < anonnumberanon> "Interstellar new trrailer"
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:28:29 < OoTLink> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:41:18 < dhrosa> 28mph is his max speed
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:41:25 < OoTLink> I still can go fast on a bike
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:41:32 < OoTLink> I can run fairly fast too for someone with no training rofl
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:42:00 < ohsix> yesterday was like the perfect weather to not spend too much energy warming up, and to not overheat
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T09:43:44 < ohsix> today sucked though, was too cold
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T10:56:45 < jsoft> Ahh I see, valid point :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T10:56:51 < slee> at worst it will be a dead short, ie. no more resistance than plain wire
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T10:57:17 < jsoft> Cool, thanks :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T10:57:30 < slee> you can test it with a multimeter, also.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:19:29 < JFK911> _abc__: best practice is to prove it before you use it
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:19:46 < JFK911> we have had electricity for 100+ years
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:19:57 < JFK911> and many of those years there was no regulation
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:20:26 < JFK911> how do you know which pin in the schuko is neutral?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:20:37 < JFK911> unless you have the france/belgian version with the male ground pin
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:21:23 < _abc__> You don't care because the 3rd ground spring does what is needed
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:22:11 < FreezingCold> man it's kinda cold today
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:22:19 < FreezingCold> 14C
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:22:22 < JFK911> And if you want a 2-pin cord?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:22:29  * hooliogan132 tunrs of a soldering iron for FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:22:35 < _abc__> And we now have the combined Schuko+pin gaining more hold, which is better.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:22:36 < JFK911> either the skinny europlug or with the "disc"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:23:17 < _abc__> 2 pin cords are allowed only on IP20 units with no exposed metal.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:24:06 < JFK911> so every sony bluray player with a metal chassis has a 3 pin cord?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:24:18 < FreezingCold> hooliogan132: meh, I just put a long sleeve shit on
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:24:18 < _abc__> Must
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:24:20 < FreezingCold> *shirt
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:25:01 < FreezingCold> huh, ebay is registered in germany?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:25:40 < FreezingCold> and wow, I had no idea ebay was written in java...
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:25:42 < _abc__> There's an exception for units otherwise grounded, fex in a cable installation. The cable shield does it then.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:26:06 < JFK911> I remember using 2 pin unpolarized cords with metal settops in europe
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:28:14 < _abc__> No, city cable systems
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:28:49 < JFK911> usually the ac power is on the center conductor :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:29:08 < FreezingCold> Does Switzerland have nice corp tax or something?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:29:16 < FreezingCold> turns out ebay ag is registered there
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:29:21  * hooliogan132 turns off the soldering iron and scoulds FreezingCold for wasting eletricity
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:29:22 < _abc__> I think they use dc here. 50v or so
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:29:58 < JFK911> thats easier to filter at taps but i wonder how long its useful for
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:30:04 < FreezingCold> hooliogan132: I could just turn my desktop on and let it idle
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:30:05 < JFK911> i have 90 vac on my cable system
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:30:09 < FreezingCold> that would heat the room up pretty quick
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:30:12 < FreezingCold> would also be noisy
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:30:15 < hooliogan132> MOOM FreezingCold's wasting electricity again
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:30:25 < _abc__> Well I assume it has multiple feed ins.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:30:25 < JFK911> im not sure if there are any copper-extender amps left in the plant
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:30:38 < JFK911> but they are using it now to feed emta power supplies
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:31:17 < _abc__> Emta is what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:31:33 < JFK911> the cablemodem that talks sip and has telephone jacks on it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:32:08 < hooliogan132> my home is self heated by its own appliances as well FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:32:18 < _abc__> Lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:32:20 < JFK911> they also got these TA's that work outside so they can run a usual pair to the customer
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T19:32:42 < FreezingCold> hooliogan132: gotta love electronics
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:33:10 < hooliogan132> seriously turning on the radiators is a bad idea
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T19:33:15 < _abc__> Boat anchor people heat their houses like that eh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:14:09 < SuperBrainAK> emitter is the collector and collector is emitter
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:14:32 < FreezingCold> ugh I hate shaving
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:14:41 < FreezingCold> my face feels so uncomfortable
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:14:44 < JFK911> dont shave then
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:14:46 < SuperBrainAK> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:14:56 < SuperBrainAK> or shave more often
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:15:00 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I had an interview and thought stubble might look unprofessional
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:15:08 < JFK911> oh you're right
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:15:25 < SuperBrainAK> i use an electric razor so i dont cut myself
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:15:30 < JFK911> you can only do that when you have a lot of experience
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:15:36 < FreezingCold> I usually constantly keep the "stubble and hungover" look otherwise
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:15:41 < FreezingCold> SuperBrainAK: same.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:15:54 < R0b0t1> obviously the only choice is a full neckbeard
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:16:15 < SuperBrainAK> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:16:41 < SuperBrainAK> i leave most of my beard intact after a little pruning
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:16:53 < FreezingCold> I don't understand why people would grow a neckbeard
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:16:56 < FreezingCold> it makes no sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:16:58 < FreezingCold> ...why?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:17:36 < SuperBrainAK> LM317's are fun :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:17:46 < SuperBrainAK> so are 5v laptop fans
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:18:07 < FreezingCold> SuperBrainAK: see the top "blade" here? https://yugster-production.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/image/image/5491/braun_190_mens_shaver_1.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:18:16 < FreezingCold> I use that to shave cause it keeps it short but not to the skin
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:18:24 < SuperBrainAK> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:18:29 < mknawabi> http://imgur.com/JjTJTcE <--- do the ccfl ends look normal or is the silver bad?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:18:48 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: is that from your work?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:18:53 < mknawabi> its a monitor
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:19:09 < SuperBrainAK> i only use that part on my norelco first then i go back with the actual "razor" part and get down the rest of the way
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:19:21 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: the room looks really industrial
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:19:42 < mknawabi> used flash, its a wine crate
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:19:49 < mknawabi> theres a little medicine bottle of marijuana on the top left
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:19:49 < mknawabi> ;)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:19:57 < SuperBrainAK> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:19:58 < FreezingCold> SuperBrainAK: yeahh I do that if I need a full shave too. But usually I just stop before the razor part
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:20:05 < SuperBrainAK> ah
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:20:19 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: it looks like you could crack your head open easily on that floor
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:20:24 < FreezingCold> it looks like a hospital
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:20:33 < FreezingCold> and probably contains more drugs than one
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:20:37 < FreezingCold> ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:21:21 < FreezingCold> So I managed to sell my stupid PIC16F877A dev board
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:21:26 < FreezingCold> got a nice $20 for it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:21:31 < FreezingCold> plus $5 for an old lab book
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:21:33 < SuperBrainAK> if only i had a little to22 ic that would do current limiting like this lm317
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:21:38 < mknawabi> http://imgur.com/fs94Fk1 view w/o flash :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:21:39 < stamit> hi, i came to spam you with links to my website
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:21:46 < FreezingCold> stamit: cool
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:21:55 < stamit> it's stamit.gr
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:22:24 < stamit> and i have a message board at stamit.gr/talk which i had to turn off registrations because of the spam
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:12 < stamit> i'll do you a completely manual public turing test
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:15 < SuperBrainAK> stamit spamit damit :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:23:18 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: you just gave a DEA agent a boner
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:34 < mknawabi> for...weed??
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:36 < mknawabi> haha..
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:42 < SuperBrainAK> im bored, waiting to go to work...
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:47 < mknawabi> the grad cylinder is for photo developing chemicals
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:23:50 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: your place just looks perfect to take photos for a raid
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:23:51 < stamit> SuperBrainAK: i have my wonderful oscillator design uploaded there, in a private section
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:23:59 < FreezingCold> mknawabi: doesn't matter, you can brag about it on the news
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:24:24 < stamit> ok bye
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:24:35 < stamit> i spammed you enough today
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:24:37 < FreezingCold> stamit: fuck off
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:24:39 < FreezingCold> stay here
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:24:45 < FreezingCold> stamit: YOU CAN'T LEAVE
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:24:52 < stamit> do i fuck off or do i stay here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:24:59 < FreezingCold> you fuck off by staying here
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:25:15 < FreezingCold> idiot
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:17 < stamit> ok, i'll stay here some more
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:25:25 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: are you an OP
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:25:31 < FreezingCold> I always forget who's an OP here
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:39 -!- r0b-[d] is now known as r0b-
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:25:48 < FreezingCold> r0b-: sup
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:48 < LeelooMinai> No, I am not. I thik, hmm, smeding is?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:50 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:50  * SuperBrainAK shoves stamit in a vibranium alloy holding cell
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:25:55 < smeding> i'm an op
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:25:55 < r0b-> nm FreezingCold
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:02 < FreezingCold> r0b-: how dem hoes?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:07 < r0b-> heh wtf
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:13 < sabotender> smeding: o/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:17 < FreezingCold> r0b-: I thought you were into gardening?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:21 < FreezingCold> :?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:23 < FreezingCold> :>
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:32 < r0b-> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:32  * SuperBrainAK pokes r0b- in the eye optics
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:34 < r0b-> smartass.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:36 < smeding> why did you need an op FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:44 < theBear> "Electrophilic aromatic substitution" no no no ! i don't care how little chemistry I know, that is NOT a real term
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:48 < FreezingCold> smeding: Because I need somebody to love?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:26:56 < FreezingCold> smeding: No actual reason, I was just wondering who's an OP
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:26:59 < theBear> btw, sulfuric acid is kinda amazing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:27:10 < SpeedEvil> theBear: hey
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:33:53 < SuperBrainAK> but yes for something small like maybe an rv there could only be 12v or 24v plugs
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:34:04 < SpeedEvil> DC was essentially impossible to efficiently convert voltages.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:34:20 < SuperBrainAK> yea back in the day it was
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:34:31 < FreezingCold> Isn't 500 kV pretty efficient?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:34:35 < FreezingCold> for long distances anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:34:39 < stamit> lately we got semiconductors
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:35:06 < SuperBrainAK> thats why 60/50hz where so popular because all you needed was the transformer bridge and cap
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:35:10 < FreezingCold> IIRC manitoba uses DC lines
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:35:23 < SuperBrainAK> thats weird
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:35:28 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: was
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:35:41 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: nope. They run a large amount of DC lines
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:35:43 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: The technology wasn't really developed for HVDC before 1940?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:35:51 < FreezingCold> "The two transmission lines, each nearly 900 km long, operate at +/- 450 kV and +/- 500 kV DC, with converter stations at Gillam and Sundance, and the inverter station, Dorsey, near Rosser. The combined capacity of the two HVDC lines is 3420 MW, or about 68% of the total generation capacity in the province."
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:36:03 < FreezingCold> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoba_Hydro
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:36:15 < SuperBrainAK> nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:36:21 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: In the context of 'why diddn't it start out DC'
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:36:34 < FreezingCold> oh yeah I'm not talking about history
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:36:37 < FreezingCold> I'm talking bout today
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:37:03 < SpeedEvil> DC is much more dangerous and annoying from a low voltage (under several hundred volts) perspective
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:37:12 < SpeedEvil> (but over 24v)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:37:22 < SpeedEvil> It is much harder to switch and fuse
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:37:44 < FreezingCold> Anyone got suggestions on how I should mount these little modules? I've got a bluetooth module, 5V <-> standard RS232 and a 3.3V/5V power supply
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:37:51 < FreezingCold> no mounting screws on any of them
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:38:35 < SpeedEvil> Duct tape
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:38:36 < SuperBrainAK> SpeedEvil, most likely because sure currents from filter caps are several hundred amps for a few amp supply
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:38:41 < SuperBrainAK> *surge
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:38:45 < SpeedEvil> SuperBrainAK: No.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:38:45 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: hegh
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:38:47 < SpeedEvil> SuperBrainAK:
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:39:04 < SpeedEvil> SuperBrainAK: The issue is switches and fuses when they break contact arc
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:39:13 < SpeedEvil> With AC, this arc stops a half cycle later
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:45:18 < theBear> does that count ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:45:38 < bcsllc> common practice with multiple ematches is to put them in series
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:45:42 < bcsllc> so if one is bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:45:44 < FreezingCold> what's the max voltage a AMS1117-3.3V can accepted?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:45:49 < FreezingCold> http://www.advanced-monolithic.com/pdf/ds1117.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:45:49 < bcsllc> test led doesnt work
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:45:53 < FreezingCold> if I'm reading it right, only 12V?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:46:05 < FreezingCold> I'm wondering if I can use my laptop power supply that gives off 19V
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:46:10 < FreezingCold> cause the DC barrel fits nicely
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:46:12 < bcsllc> when firing the igniter, 24v is used
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:46:26 < bcsllc> big heaty SLA batts
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:46:29 < bcsllc> heafty
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:47:34 < bcsllc> so thats 12 amps
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:47:36 < anick> 3420MW ? I'd like to see the MOSFETs in that smps.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:47:40 < bcsllc> running thru the match, correct ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:48:27 < SuperBrainAK> FreezingCold, it looks like a max of 15v n
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:48:29 < SuperBrainAK> *in
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:48:44 < SuperBrainAK> anick, probably SCR's
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:48:59 < SuperBrainAK> BIG SCR's
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:49:12 < SuperBrainAK> or a million smaller ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:49:25 < SuperBrainAK> :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:50:24 < FreezingCold> SuperBrainAK: yeah 19V won't go well
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:50:37 < anick> SuperBrainAK: SCRs don't work so well at DC
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:51:00 < adyer> FreezingCold look in the absolute maximum ratings - 15V
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:51:18 < SuperBrainAK> not if you have a push/pull driver
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:51:24 < SuperBrainAK> for the SCr;s
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:51:31 < SuperBrainAK> *SCR's
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:51:53 < anick> wat
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:52:34 < SuperBrainAK> and 19v - 5v = 14v loss x current draw = magic smoke
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:53:03 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:53:06 < SuperBrainAK> :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:53:12 < FreezingCold> yeah I think I'll just use 5V off USB to power it up
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:53:25 < SuperBrainAK> or a buck converter
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:53:36 < SuperBrainAK> get a car usb charger
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:53:42 < FreezingCold> it's for an industrial robot, I don't/can't crack it open
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:53:51 < FreezingCold> cause it's not mine (yet)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:53:54 < SuperBrainAK> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:53:55 < SuperBrainAK> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:54:23 < SuperBrainAK> so the robot has that regulator in it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:54:39 < FreezingCold> well yeah inside the controller I'm sure it has a bunch of different voltages
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:54:48 < FreezingCold> but I'm trying to do it plug and play
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:54:56 < SuperBrainAK> ah
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:55:24 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: If they tasked you with getting it working
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:55:24 < R0b0t1> just open it up
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:55:24 < R0b0t1> I mean:
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:55:36 < R0b0t1> *person walks in room to see expensive thing's parts strewn across floor, looks at R0b0t1*
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:55:38 < FreezingCold> it's not tasked lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:55:38 < R0b0t1> "What?"
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:55:47 < FreezingCold> I don't even go to the school anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:55:59 < R0b0t1> well then steal it and hope they don't come after you
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:56:01 < FreezingCold> I just wanna try making an android app for the hell of it to control a robot
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:56:12 < SuperBrainAK> nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:56:34 < FreezingCold> man I'm really pissed I bricked this bluetooth module
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:56:46 < SuperBrainAK> oops how did that happen?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:57:33 < FreezingCold> I set the baud rate too high and there's no reset
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:58:18 < anick> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC_converter#Modular_Multi-Level_Converter_.28MMC.29
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T22:59:01 < JFK911> hah
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:59:02 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:59:14 < FreezingCold> I can't believe there's no reset for it honestly
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T22:59:28 < FreezingCold> like how do you engineer something with a reset that doesn't reset the memory...
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:00:33 < adyer> how high did you set it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:01:25 < FreezingCold> I'd rather not say...
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:01:34 < FreezingCold> it's embarrassing
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:01:51 < SuperBrainAK> did you accidentally type the baud rate twice?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:01:52 < anick> thyristors with frickin' laser beams! http://www.efo-power.ru/pub/power/IGBT/articles/fotoupr_keys_impulse.pdf
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:02:08 < FreezingCold> 1382400 bbps
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:02:27 < JFK911> interesting
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:02:38 < SuperBrainAK> and where did that number come from?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:02:48 < FreezingCold> there's present codes for the baud rate
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:02:51 < FreezingCold> I picked the highest one
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:02:54 < SuperBrainAK> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:02:59 < SuperBrainAK> ah
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:03:12 < FreezingCold> so question
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:03:23 < FreezingCold> my USB RS232 converter is acting weird
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:03:28 < FreezingCold> the transmit signal is always high
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:03:29 < FreezingCold> wut
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:04:00 < JFK911> it grounds to make a mark
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:04:12 < FreezingCold> JFK911: What?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:04:20 < FreezingCold> It didn't use to do this
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:04:34 < JFK911> i dont know the rs232 polarity
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:04:38 < JFK911> the ttl polarity is ground = mark
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:04:40 < FreezingCold> If I connect the RX and TX pins together, shouldn't it echo stuff back at me?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:04:45 < JFK911> yes it should
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:04:56 < JFK911> did you ground it
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:03 < FreezingCold> yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:05:06 < JFK911> oops
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:20 < FreezingCold> well grounded it to a usb power supply
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:23 < FreezingCold> which comes from the laptop
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:23 < FreezingCold> so
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:05:24 < JFK911> possibly time for a new charge pump
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:27 < FreezingCold> sorta
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:33 < FreezingCold> so I burnt it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:05:34 < FreezingCold> how?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:05:37 < JFK911> possibly
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:05:42 < JFK911> short to ground
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:05:47 < JFK911> they all arent robust enough to deal with that
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:06:01 < FreezingCold> wait, so where exactly did I go wrong?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:06:06 < FreezingCold> I just connected gnd to gnd
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:06:06 < JFK911> ground tx wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:06:09 < JFK911> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:06:10 < FreezingCold> I didn't
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:06:23 < FreezingCold> not intentionally anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:06:26 < JFK911> you shouldnt need to ground a loopback either
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:07:01 < FreezingCold> I don't get why it's constantly tramismitting
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:07:17 < FreezingCold> I just connected TX to RX and it's constantly receiving
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:07:38 < FreezingCold> I can't echo back
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:08:00 < sabotender> moo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:09:36 < hjf>  is it safe to disconnect one of the phase wires from the VFD while it's running?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:09:43 < hjf> i want to simulate a fault condition
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:10:15 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I connected two units together and yeah they're just transmitting high
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:10:16 < FreezingCold> wut why
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:10:27 < FreezingCold> can't pass data
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:10:32 < archivist> hjf a good way to kill stuff
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:10:43 < FreezingCold> brb gonna try rebooting
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:10:51 < hjf> archivist: how else can i force a fault in the VFD anyway?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:11:10 < JFK911> cheers sabotender
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:11:37 < sabotender> JFK911: I finally managed to fix that damn amp
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:12:14 < archivist> you get an over volt and the stop braking and freewheel
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:12:28 < archivist> adjust the ramps
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:12:55 < hjf> ramp down to 0s and pull the analog input to 0 from max?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:12:55 < JFK911> sabotender: how?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:13:13 < sabotender> JFK911: turns out the power supply system was hosed. I was not able to narrow down the error specifically, I just started to replace components that were likely suspects. Turns out it was a faulty capacitor that looked quite normal on the outside
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:13:55 < archivist> hjf there is a setting for the slowing down ramp, without breaking resistors the motor generates an over voltage
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:13:57 < JFK911> sabotender you didnt try the hair dryer on it ?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:14:00 < FreezingCold> hmmm, gonna try downgrading kernels
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:14:12 < FreezingCold> actually, I'll just use my debian machine
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:14:14 < FreezingCold> brb
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:14:30 < sabotender> JFK911: pardon? I am not familiar with that troubleshooting technique
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:14:51 < JFK911> sabotender many screwy caps can gain enough to run whatever oscillator when they are heated
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:18:09 < Meisterbrau>  http://qoinpro.com/d8514189e15be36b7a0866b56992af7d dont regret free bitcoins daily by signing up
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:18:11 < Meisterbrau> by not
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:19:14 < sabotender> whenever I see a website that has to use a unique spelling of something, such as 'qoin', it comes off as a bit dodgy
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:19:24 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yeah so even on a different computer the transmit signal is just stuck high
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:19:35 < Polesch> I have many regrets about bitcoin too.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:21:03 < FreezingCold> well fuck, how did I burn these modules out?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:21:50 < Polesch> I never believed in bitcoin as a serious currency, just some lame shit that could never work. But I bought some from a friend so I could buy drugs on silkroad, I never did that purchase, so I was stuck with the bitcoins at the time, like 14 bitcoin. Then just one day I decided to install Windows 7, did a full install. Downloaded the wallet and only then realized they were stored on my
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:21:51 < Polesch> actual HDD.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:22:24 < FreezingCold> I still have my 0.25 bitcoins that I mined myself
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:22:29 < FreezingCold> took like three days
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:22:32 < FreezingCold> got bored and shut it off
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:22:59 < SuperBrainAK> ill bet my pc could do a decent amount of mining
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:23:18 < FreezingCold> *could have
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:23:23 < FreezingCold> mining is pointless now
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:23:46 < Polesch> Mining can't be profitable anymore, even with the modern ASICS you'll spend more on your electricity bill than you earn in BTC.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:23:47 < SuperBrainAK> yea i heard btcoins arent used anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:24:17 < SuperBrainAK> power your pc from solar :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:24:29 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:24:29 < sirdancealot> SolarCoin!
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:24:37 < FreezingCold> my transmit pin is sending 1.5V
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:24:44 < FreezingCold> and my RX pin is sending 3.3V
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:24:46 < Polesch> Just jump on the next thing, litecoin or dogecoin
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:25:07 < SuperBrainAK> that was my first though when i saw one of those little miner boxes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:25:16 < SuperBrainAK> power it from solar! :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:25:51 < Polesch> Anyone know what the lifespan is like on solar panels?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:25:53 < FreezingCold> wtf, how did I burn out these modules
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:25:56 < FreezingCold> how?!
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:26:19 < SuperBrainAK> depends on where you live
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:26:43 < Polesch> Do they just degrade slowly by the heat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:26:55 < SuperBrainAK> kinda
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:27:19 < FreezingCold> so, are you guys FOR sure it's safe to tie the RX and TX pins together?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:27:19 < SuperBrainAK> it is mostly the plastic used to protect the PV cells that goes foggy
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:27:23 < Polesch> Good thing I live nowhere hot
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:27:25 < FreezingCold> I'm going to try it again....
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:28:06 < SuperBrainAK> im in AZ it is HOT but solar is a fairly big business here because we get so much sun
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:28:23 < SuperBrainAK> it can be sunny even when it is raining :D
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:32:58 < SuperBrainAK> instead of one big inverter you have a bunch of tny ones
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:33:25 < SuperBrainAK> and also to reduce losses in the transmission lines going to the big inverter
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:33:29 < FreezingCold> guys, is it safe to tie the RX and TX line together?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:33:34 < FreezingCold> from a signal device
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:33:38 < FreezingCold> just so it echoes to itself
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:33:55 < SuperBrainAK> because ac at high voltage travels better than dc at hgh voltage
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:34:19 < SuperBrainAK> i dont know anythng about rs-232
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:34:28 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:34:32 < Polesch> SuperBrainAK, I've never seen anything close to a "nice" sine from an inverter, and on many of the sub $120 ones many appliances don't even work
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:34:39 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I'm blaming you if I break another chip :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:34:44 < R0b0t1> Polesch: they sell true sine inverters
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:34:46 < R0b0t1> they're a few grand
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:35:00 < Polesch> Yeah, but how true are they really?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:35:45 < R0b0t1> Polesch: Preeety good.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:35:56 < Polesch> http://burnaby.canadianlisted.com/trailers-mobile-homes/true-sine-wave-inverter_1057948.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:35:59 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah you're right
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:36:01 < FreezingCold> it echoes back fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:36:01 < Polesch> That one looks nice on the fluke
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:36:02 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:36:04 < FreezingCold> my modules are broken
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:36:30 < R0b0t1> Polesch: I mean do you really need a true sine inverter?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:36:38 < R0b0t1> Also lol that one is probably made to look great when you test it
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:36:40 < Polesch> No, just curious
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:36:58 < R0b0t1> physics
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:37:09 < Polesch> But if I want to power my house of solar power I'd want an inverter as close as the real one as possible
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:37:11 < R0b0t1> useless questions get useless answers
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:37:30 < FreezingCold> and 1 MV is pointless if you only have 1 nA
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:37:36 < anick> is it absolutely impossible to search for unicode characters on the internet ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:37:36 < R0b0t1> Polesch: Most things you run might not really care. Well, motors I guess. Motors would care.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:37:51 < R0b0t1> anick: ASCII master race
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:40:12 < Polesch> Nope
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:40:17 < sabotender> aw
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:41:01 < Polesch> But I'm building a vacation home on the Philippines in a couple of years, and I'd want that to be powered independently.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:41:58 < FreezingCold> Polesch: that would be fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:41:59 < sabotender> oh sweet
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:42:09 < R0b0t1> Polesch: Yeah that was what I was getting at, but I forgot about large appliances with motors.
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:42:09 < SuperBrainAK> Polesch, build yourself a small MSR :D
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:52:26 < SuperBrainAK> the circuits are fried
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:52:50 < ketas> get spare smoke
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:53:07 < umquant> ketas: Man I wish that was possible lol.
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:53:53 < FreezingCold> so I've learned that these stupid 5V rs232 converters have no tolerance
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:53:56 < FreezingCold> burnt two out
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:54:07 < FreezingCold> pl2303 clones
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2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:54:21 < FreezingCold> gonna move back to CH340 with a max232 to step down to 5V
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2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:54:53 < ketas> add tvs too?
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:55:00 < FreezingCold> what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:55:01 < JFK911> i think the module i use is called um232
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:55:02 < SuperBrainAK> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/10622
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:55:05 < SuperBrainAK> :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:55:18 < FreezingCold> I haven't burned out a single CH3490 yet
2014-05.log-2014-05-17T23:55:20 < umquant> LOL
2014-05.log:2014-05-17T23:55:25 < FreezingCold> *er CH340
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:12:47 < pindola> E76470 10V
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:14:13 < FreezingCold> for db9 connectors, which side is usually male and which is female?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:14:30 < LoRez> the side with the pins is male
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:14:36 < FreezingCold> ... I know that
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:14:41 < FreezingCold> I mean for controllers and such
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:14:49 < LoRez> controllers of what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:14:55 < FreezingCold> the controller is usually female, and the computer is usually male right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:14:57 < LoRez> you can put many things on 9 pins
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:15:07 < FreezingCold> PLCs. Robots. Etc
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:15:27 < drac_boy> or am I probably out of luck without going with a big oversized unit?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:15:46 < pindola> ON THIS pcb there are tall circular  components that look like capacitors they say E76470 10v on the top of them. WHat are they
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:25:03 < SuperBrainAK> yea
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:25:20 < pindola> hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:25:21 < SuperBrainAK> that is 470uf @ 10v :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:25:27 < FreezingCold> do I actually need an OTG cable?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:25:49 < SuperBrainAK> yay its time to go to work :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T00:25:50 < FreezingCold> or can it automatically switch the data pins?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:26:05 < SuperBrainAK> see ya
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:26:15 < pindola> so the green one isnt a polymer cap its a electrolytic?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T00:26:19 < pindola> oh bye
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:07:43 < Jan-> sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:07:50 < Jan-> the problem is I'm sort of limited to what's available on ebay
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:07:50 < FreezingCold> so for future reference, is 115200 a pretty safe baud rate?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:08:07 < Jan-> the ones I want are much lower voltage anyway
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:08:10 < FreezingCold> I don't want to brick my bluetooth module again...
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:08:17 < Jan-> for protecting against a stepdown power supply going over voltage
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:18:41 < Kevin`> I suspect you just touched two pins on the plug when removing it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:20:09 < Jan-> I don't usually get that annoyed by politics, but in this country we're seriously considering putting *child protection* out to tender.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:20:18 < FreezingCold> For remote PLC programming, what's the best way of getting access at a client's site?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:20:21 < FreezingCold> 3G?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:20:27 < Jan-> I mean - what? We're going to have kid welfare put out to the lowest bidder? that's insane!
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:20:57 < FreezingCold> Jan-: the fact we have unwanted children in 2014 pisses me off. There's so many methods of birth control
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:21:06 < FreezingCold> that's why I won't talk about abortion
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:21:11 < deepy> Seems like it, thanks for the help. I'm a bit of an extrme hypochondriac sometimes
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:21:13 < FreezingCold> it should be a moot point
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:21:29 < Jan-> I think the bigger problem is children that are wanted but the parents just don't know they're inadequate
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:21:51 < FreezingCold> Jan-: most of the people I know of who went through the welfare systems were accidents
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:22:13 < Jan-> I was an accident.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:22:27 < FreezingCold> How'd that turn out?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:22:35 < Jan-> Pretty well.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:22:39 < Jan-> I like to think :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:22:55 < FreezingCold> still, it would have been nicer if you're parents actually planned you and were ready
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:23:22 < Jan-> they moved halfway round the world for me
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:23:33 < FreezingCold> so they probably were ready, but didn't have the idea
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:24:40 < FreezingCold> are these MAX chips from china clones as well?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:25:17 < FreezingCold> I'm just tired of burning out chips lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:26:01  * WilliamWS plays dead.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:26:08  * FreezingCold kills WilliamWS for real
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:26:10 < FreezingCold> play that bitch
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:26:33 < mozzarella> is it only CMOS chips that can die from static electricity?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:26:42  * WilliamWS R.I.P William W. S. 1775 - 2014
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:27:06 < FreezingCold> what's the latency on SMS usually?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:27:07 < SpeedEvil> mozzarella: no
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:27:16 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: from seconds to hours
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:28:54 < kfoltman> Jan-: I think your government is certifiably insane
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:43:30  * bulaia not an electricity guy
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:43:39 < SpeedEvil> http://www.fimfiction.net/story/9904/my-little-denarians
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:43:56 < sabotender> depends. if you are forcing it to go beyond spec, you might shorten the life of the item in question
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:43:57 < FreezingCold> bulaia: how many amps does it need?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:44:06 < FreezingCold> the easiest trick would just to put a diode across it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:44:10 < FreezingCold> because that drops bout 0.7V
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:44:19 < Jan-> I don't know dresden files well enough
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:44:25 < FreezingCold> neat trick I learned from Microchip
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:44:27 < sabotender> this is often because of heat buildup, you might need to connect a sink
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:44:37 < FreezingCold> sabotender: yeah I dunno his specs
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:44:58 < Jan-> SpeedEvil: I'm going to infer things from your intimate knowledge of fimfiction.net
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:06  * FreezingCold goes on an eBay shopping spree
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:45:07 < Jan-> (and bookmark it)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:09 < FreezingCold> that was fun
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:12 < FreezingCold> $20 of random RS232 parts
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:45:30 < SpeedEvil> :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:33 < bulaia> FreezingCold: idk
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:45:49 < bulaia> i seriously just spliced the wires and away i went
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:55 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: these little buggers are quite nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:45:55 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/131057934173
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:45:56 < bulaia> :X
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:46:25 < WilliamWS> Anyone knows of someone building thermocouples at home?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:46:31 < sabotender> FreezingCold: hmm useful little dealie
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:46:34 < SpeedEvil> WilliamWS: what do you mean?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:46:43 < WilliamWS> thermoeletricity generator
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:47:09 < Jan-> *sigh* y'know one way to make this little over-voltage warning device would of course be a microcontroller
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:47:14 < SpeedEvil> WilliamWS: you can't reallly build them at home - you need to use semiconductors, not metals
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:47:15 < FreezingCold> sabotender: yeah it's nice, the 5V supply isn't connected if you use USB to power it I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:47:17 < Jan-> so many things are easily solved with micros
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:47:40 < FreezingCold> sabotender: hold on, I can check
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:47:45 < SpeedEvil> WilliamWS: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-6A-72W-TEC1-12706-Heatsink-Thermoelectric-Cooler-Peltier-Cool-Plate-Module-/400622394013?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item5d46f49a9d
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:47:58 < WilliamWS> SpeedEvil, you are destroying my dreams, just now that I got some plutonium.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:48:48 < sabotender> SpeedEvil: those aren't very efficient and the cooling is not that great. I have seen those in mini usb powered desktop refrigerators
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:48:56 < FreezingCold> sabotender: oh.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:48:57 < sabotender> and I am like, meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:49:01 < FreezingCold> the 5V isn't directly connected :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:49:07 < WilliamWS> SpeedEvil, I am most interested on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:49:11 < sabotender> FreezingCold: yeah I noticed
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:49:11 < FreezingCold> it still runs through the regulator
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:49:55 < FreezingCold> sabotender: hold on, lemme measure the voltage drop
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:49:59 < bulaia> how much does a usb relay go for?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:50:39 < SpeedEvil> sabotender: No, they're not very efficient. Metal ones are worse.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:50:47 < FreezingCold> bulaia: meh, just build one
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:50:55 < Saginata> bulaia: 5€?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:50:55 < FreezingCold> bulaia: trigger it via rs232 if you're lazy
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:01 < SpeedEvil> bulaia: they are very cheap
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:04 < bulaia> im dum man
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:51:28 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: looks crappy
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:41 < bulaia> anything on amazon perhaps? ebay sellers NEVER ship to me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:45 < bulaia> :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:51:47 < FreezingCold> why?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:49 < SpeedEvil> bulaia: where are you?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:50 < WilliamWS> SpeedEvil the thermocoupler said to be used on the RTG, what is it? Do you know?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:51:58 < SpeedEvil> WilliamWS: No.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:01 < bulaia> the most isolate land mass on the planet
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:06 < bulaia> shipping isnt fun
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:52:07 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: why crappy?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:13 < SpeedEvil> bulaia: pitcairn?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:16 < bulaia> ooh next question though
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:52:17 < FreezingCold> I live in Canada and everybody ships to me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:31 < bulaia> yea i live on islands
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:40 < Saginata> why?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:43 < bulaia> theyll ship here. ill just owe them a limb
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:52:55 < bulaia> can i put a switch inline in the usb cord which powers the headlamp?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:52:57 < FreezingCold> bulaia: check ebay sellers with free shipping
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:53:15 < bulaia> FreezingCold: generally doesnt apply to me
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:53:38 < FreezingCold> bulaia: are you from the british virgin islands or cayman islands?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:53:39 < SpeedEvil> bulaia: you would generally take the above, and a USB cable, cut the red wire, and plug the cut red wires into the relay - done
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:53:58 < bulaia> i dont use ebay as a result. after each order id get an email saying 'SORRY SHIPPING ISNT FREE TO YOU, IT'S 59.99'
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:54:09 < FreezingCold> kik
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:54:11 < FreezingCold> lol*
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:54:17 < bulaia> SpeedEvil: i mean right now without a relay
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:55:52 < bulaia> im in the US, technically
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:56:06 < kfoltman> hawaii? puerto rico?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:56:10 < FreezingCold> Hawaii?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:56:14 < bulaia> yeh
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:56:32 < bulaia> ill order a usb relay off amazon
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:56:45 < bulaia> but in the meantime i want to use this as a desklamp
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:56:59 < bulaia> very poor lighting in my house
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:57:05 < FreezingCold> sabotender: okay, I get 4.905V out of the reg
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:57:09 < bulaia> these usb headlamps are amazing
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:57:18 < sabotender> FreezingCold: oh sweet.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:57:24 < bulaia> or .. 3AAA headlamps :>
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:57:34 < SpeedEvil> USB headlamp probably isn't a thing. :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:57:35 < sabotender> ugh my room is too hot, my router is beginning to overheat and crash
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:58:37 < bulaia> all i have are resistors which are prolly too much
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:58:55 < SpeedEvil> bulaia: any broken power supplies?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:58:58 < bulaia> 100 ohm
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:59:00 < FreezingCold> sabotender: Off direct USB I get 5.025V
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:59:03 < bulaia> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:59:14 < bulaia> as a matter of fact i just tossed everything :x
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:59:24 < FreezingCold> So I'm only losing 120 mV off the reg
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:59:26 < bulaia> might have an old laptop power brick
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T01:59:39 < FreezingCold> bulaia: is it true that the locals are pretty racist?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T01:59:55 < bulaia> not really
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:00:47 < bulaia> this is funny. i just spent a semester doing e&m physics and i cant apply it to this simple dc circuit
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:00:51 < bulaia> i fail
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:06 < FreezingCold> sabotender: interesting though, the datasheet says it's out of spec
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:15 < FreezingCold> the datasheet calls for 10 mV max
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:19 < FreezingCold> I'm getting 120 mV
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:29 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I might buy one just to have one. Even though I have a gigantic lab-type PSU
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:39 < bulaia> FreezingCold: actual racism here is mostly from americans
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:01:48 < FreezingCold> sabotender: they fit in breadboards perfectly. Great for ;abs too
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:01:49 < bulaia> locals are more xenophobic than racist
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:02:02 < bulaia> and for good reason: assholes fucked this place up
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:02:15 < FreezingCold> ....
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:02:23 < FreezingCold> yeahhhhh
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:02:32 < FreezingCold> xenophobic, racist, I don't care, I don't want either
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:02:42 < bulaia> me neither
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:03:00 < FreezingCold> and "fucked this place up" by throwing money at it? lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:03:06 < FreezingCold> I always laugh at that one
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:03:17 < sabotender> WilliamWS: I just opened the case. It was surprisingly easy. It was burning hot to the touch. I could almost cook an egg on it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:03:23 < bulaia> i take it youre not familiar with the history of it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:04:28 < sabotender> +d. I have one and it is darn excellent. Quite solidly made
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:04:47 < Jan-> I tried one of those super-expensive ones with the mechanical keys in them
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:04:55 < Jan-> it was really cool, but I worry I'd just break it really fast anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:04:58 < FreezingCold> bulaia: the USA stole it from the local natives as usual, no?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:05:08 < FreezingCold> that's how history usually works
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:05:12 < mozzarella> I use a realforce keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:05:12 < Saginata> Jan-: buy a model M
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:05:18 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I am sorry I lost ya. How is it out of spec again?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:05:20 < bulaia> no, they stole it from a lot of people
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:05:49 < Jan-> model m?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:06:24 < bulaia> large black eye in american history which isnt taught
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:06:31 < sabotender> I thought those mechanical keyboards (non chicklet-type) were supposed to last indefinitely
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:06:39 < sabotender> How did you manage to break it? Did you sit on it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:06:39 < FreezingCold> sabotender: k so if I feed it anywhere between 2V and 12V, it should be able to output within 10 mV. So if I feed it 5V, I should get 4.990V. But no, I get 4.905V
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:06:41 < i336_> they apparently do
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:07:19 < i336_> also, is my math wrong or does "30VA, 9V, 1.67A" not make any sense at all?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:07:35 < FreezingCold> bulaia: and in the process, raised the standard of living and the GDP
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:07:37 < Saginata> my Model M spent like 15 years in the army, then I used it for 5 years
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:07:47 < Saginata> and it's still fine
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:07:51 < sabotender> FreezingCold: wait, you are able to feed it up to twelve volts and it will still spit out three to five volts?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:08:00 < i336_> wait, hold it, it's 2x9V, 1.67*18 = 30, I read the datasheet wrong :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:08:34 < i336_> Saginata: ha, nice :>
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:08:37 < FreezingCold> sabotender: It has actually two regs on it, one 3.3V and one 5V. The problem is that it forces the USB voltage (already 5V) through the 5V reg again
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:08:44 < sabotender> I kinda want to gut an apple IIe and put new tech inside it and just use the keyboard :-P
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:08:48 < bulaia> FreezingCold: no, actually the standard of living was on par with america at the time and since theyve reduced the agricultural base to about nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:08:50 < FreezingCold> sabotender: and yes, up to 12V
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:08:57 < Jan-> an original IBM keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:08:59 < Jan-> like, from the 70s?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:09:01 < i336_> FreezingCold: O.o, that is messed... up, how does that work?!
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:03 < Jan-> do they even work on modern computers?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:05 < bulaia> actually killed the economy and built a fake one in its place
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:23 < bulaia> fun tidbit
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:28 < sabotender> bulaia: they built a fake economy in its place?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:36 < mozzarella> i336_: they use a DIN connector, most of them
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:09:36 < FreezingCold> i336_: well, it's meant to provide an output on USB, not an input...
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:37 < i336_> bulaia: where's that?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:09:54 < i336_> FreezingCold: I mean a computer-USB / keyboard-PS2 adapter
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:09:54 < FreezingCold> i336_: there's also a DC barrel socket in it, but those cost more for AC adapters usually lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:09:56 < sabotender> lordy, there are so many simultaneous conversations that I am having trouble figuring out who is talking to whom
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:10:04 < bulaia> until the 90s the military was the main source of income as agriculture died and was replaced by housing developments
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:10:06 < i336_> FreezingCold: O.o
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:10:07 < FreezingCold> i336_: keyboard controllers are designer for both IIRC
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:10:26 < i336_> FreezingCold: _today's_ are able to handle both, yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:10:35 < bulaia> in my lifetime ive witnessed this. and also a complete depletion of reef life
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:10:37 < i336_> FreezingCold: I'm referring to the kind with a USB-based PS2 converter chip in them
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:10:42 < Jan-> do model M keyboards last if you type like I do?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:10:45  * Jan- pounds on the keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:10:47 < i336_> Jan-: yes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:06 < i336_> Jan-: the mechanism is not affected by pounding, you're just stressing the frame
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:13 < Saginata> I used to hit space and enter really hard
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:20 < Jan-> i336_ you'd have thought that applied to bubble keyboards too
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:11:20 < FreezingCold> bulaia: it's not quite utilitarianism, but know the saying "it's not about the means, it's about the results"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:24 < Jan-> only it doesn't
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:27 < i336_> Jan-: mmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:31 < bulaia> i usually dont bother since people usually arent interested in perspectives other than the one theyve been told
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:32 < Jan-> my return key has gone all floppy
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:42 < Jan-> and the space bar is loose at one end
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:11:53 < bulaia> FreezingCold: and i live here and i can tell you: the results suck dick.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:55 < i336_> Jan-: also, do note... when you hunt on ebay for a PS/2 converter, make sure it's not just an mechanical adapter, and has a protocol converter chip in it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:11:58 < mozzarella> you're a monster
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:08 < mozzarella> or at least you type like one
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:10 < sabotender> oh dear
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:12:12 < FreezingCold> bulaia: yeah I agree they probably are killing the reef and wildlife, but I think that probably would have happened anyway with tourism
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:13 < Jan-> i336_: I know the ones you mean, you get the basic ones with some keyboards
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:12:14 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: who?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:19 < i336_> also, where's the iolani palace?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:21 < Jan-> presumably the keyboard knows how to deal with it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:27 < Jan-> but an old one wouldn't
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:12:30 < bulaia> FreezingCold: tourists dont dump munitions in reefs
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:33 < Saginata> Jan-: http://saginata.elektroda.eu/m.wav
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:40 < i336_> Jan-: yes, you need one with a protocol converter IC in it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:12:45 < Jan-> uhhuh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:13:03 < i336_> Jan-: I've seen blue ones that do both mouse and keyboard, they seem the cheapest at the moment
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:13:09 < bulaia> thats about the only place you can see fish now
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:13:19 < FreezingCold> bulaia: now I'll admit this goes into an area I totally don't know, but I thought there had only been a few incidents of dropping weapons by mistake? And the pouchers cause lots of issues, no?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:13:27 < bulaia> haha no
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:13:36 < i336_> Jan-: I'd personally shy away from the kind with little leads coming off them - *yank* *snap* "woops" :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:14:44 < sabotender> nothing a little alcohol couldn't clean up
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:14:47 < Jan-> it's noticeably heavier
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:14:47 < SpeedEvil> Jan-: Can be easy enough to clean
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:14:49 < FreezingCold> Wow, I tried to google "it's not about the means, but the results" and all Google told me was about HPV tests
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:14:52 < FreezingCold> pretty sure I don't have HPV
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:14:54 < FreezingCold> but thanks google
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:15 < bulaia> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:18 < i336_> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:26 < sonic2wb> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:15:29 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:42 < sabotender> (eyeroll)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:44 < bulaia> if the ends justify the means then o/ o/ o/ heil
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:15:45 < FreezingCold> fuck you sabotender
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:15:47 < FreezingCold> you ruined it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:15:59 < sabotender> on that note, I am off to watch voyager
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:16:12 < FreezingCold> bulaia: thank you!
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:16:14 < Saginata> Jan-: with the IBM you wouldn't notice, it's like 2.5kg by itself I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:16:16  * i336_ rearranges sabotender's TV so its picture is upside down
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:16:18 < FreezingCold> bulaia: Consequentialism
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:16:21 < i336_> Jan-: also, IBM model Ms are.... very very very fun to disassemble and put back together again, but it's possible to make them look boxed-brand-new
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:16:22 < FreezingCold> that's what I was looking for
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:17:00 < bulaia> so was using the marshallese for radiation experiments on human subjects justified?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:17:29 < blackOff> no one cares
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:17:35 < blackOff> :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:17:36 < FreezingCold> well, I know most of the WW2 tests were pretty much fails
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:17:45 < FreezingCold> the nazis found a bunch of information about death that really don't matter
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:00 < Saginata> Jan-: do you type while other people in your house try to sleep?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:08 < blackOff> what's the alternative to [ transportation : fuel ] ??
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:18 < Jan-> Saginata: often.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:18:22 < FreezingCold> Saginata: I just bought a fucking Das Cherry MX blue, this shit is gonna wake everyone up :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:24 < blackOff> no wobbling the earth
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:32 < blackOff> moon zambonies won't quite cut it on land
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:18:32 < FreezingCold> I used it at 3am last night and nobody complained though
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:18:50 < Saginata> FreezingCold: I have the same now
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:18:52 < Jan-> I guess a 1990 keyboard might need a bit of retro-brite :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:18:58  * FreezingCold goes *click* *clank* *click* *clank* *click* *clank* *click* *clank* *click* *clank* 
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:19:05 < Saginata> it's significantly quiter than the Model M
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:19:07 < blackOff> is light speed something that is banned in any country?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:19:13 < FreezingCold> Saginata: did you get the one with blank key caps? :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:19:22 < Saginata> FreezingCold: yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:19:28 < FreezingCold> FUCK YEAH!
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:19:50 < FreezingCold> Saginata: https://i.imgur.com/WzBM7pD.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:04 < Saginata> oh yeah, the same
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:06 < i336_> found it!
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:20:07 < FreezingCold> it looks so bad ass
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:13 < i336_> Jan-: watch this like 20 times: http://cdn.overclock.net/7/76/
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:20:14 < FreezingCold> I just got it yesterday evening
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:15 < i336_> woops
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:17 < Saginata> it gets dusty easily
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:19 < i336_> Jan-: http://cdn.overclock.net/7/76/761b0078_vbattach197802.gif
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:20:24 < FreezingCold> Saginata: I still slam down too hard on the keys though
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:20:30 < FreezingCold> but I got up to 103 wpm which was nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:43 < Jan-> sorry i336_, I can't see pics
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:47 < i336_> Jan-: aww :<
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:51 < Saginata> I don't believe in "too hard"
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:20:53 < i336_> Jan-: text console? :P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:21:04 < FreezingCold> Saginata: you're not supposed to bottom out from what people tell me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:21:05 < Jan-> it's a long story
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:21:17 < bulaia> FreezingCold: i wasnt talking about the nazis
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:21:18  * i336_ sits down and looks at Jan- attentively
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:21:24 < bulaia> i was talking about america
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:21:28 < bulaia> unfortunately
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:21:47 < FreezingCold> I know, but I only know bout the nazis did so I referenced them
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:22:26  * i336_ pokes Jan-
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:22:41  * i336_ inquires what kind of text rendering setup Jan- is using
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:22:41 < FreezingCold> Saginata: I noticed it matches my WIi mote very nicely
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:22:41 < Saginata> FreezingCold: I guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:22:54 < Saginata> I don't know if I bottom out usually
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:22:59 < Storyteller> in general, the US has engaged in some nonconsentual testing, but for the most part, it was highly limited and controlled by oversight
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:22:59 < FreezingCold> oh I know I do
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:22:59 < bulaia> anyway even if the ends justify the means, the ends here are shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:23:00 < Jan-> i336_: http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:23:07 < Saginata> I definitely do on Enter and space
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:23:57 < bulaia> hawai'i
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:24:04 < Storyteller> oh, hawaii is pimp
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:24:04 < Jan-> i336_: close your mouth, or I'll drop a marble in it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:24:05 < FreezingCold> bulaia: most place everyone are poor as shit...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:45:52 < i336_> gunarm_: TX and RX are the positive lines :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:46:23 < i336_> gunarm_: what kind(s) of nokia cables do you have?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:46:35 < FreezingCold> theBear: not true
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:46:40 < bulaia> Storyteller: professional student and aspiring fool
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:01 < Oldmanbeefjerky> hi all, im looking at buying a new computer, i have lots of money now and plan on selling my toshiba qosmio to help pay a little for the new computer
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:05 < gunarm_> i336_, you know what, i was thinking of the USB cables, you mean *old* nokia data cables dont you?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:12 < Oldmanbeefjerky> im looking at these 3 http://www.mytoshiba.com.au/products/compare?sku=PSPLTA-0DW068&sku=PSPLTA-0DX068&sku=PSPLTA-014001&#
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:47:16 < FreezingCold> theBear: you've got +- 9V standard RS232 (usually DB9 connector), you've got 0/3.3V RS232 and you've got 0/5V rs232
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:17 < bulaia> working on a bachelors of silly in masochistic endeavors
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:22 < gunarm_> i doubt I have those anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:24 < i336_> gunarm_: if they're old enough, they're USB-to-serial converters. :>
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:27 < theBear> i wonder if i'm seeing "i got a hammer and everything looks like a nail now" here... recently got a cool modern basic bench supply, something like 25a max sustained at 0-16v... also got a netbook on the bench with a shorted power input.. damned tempting not to think or check anything and use my kickass new supply to do the old "more power till it smokes, the bit that smokes was broken" :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:27 < bulaia> (mechanical engineering)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:47:42 < FreezingCold> theBear: get one of those db9 usb serial connectors, they're really handy
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:47:44 < FreezingCold> I love mine
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:45 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i cant see the justification in the extra $1000 for the high end model compared to the cheaper $3300 one
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:47:46 < i336_> gunarm_: so yes, they have a USB plug on them, but they're for phones that are so old they're RS232-only
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:48:04 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: are you looking at a laptop or desktop?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:48:27 < gunarm_> i think the oldest one I had was for the nokia n900 open smartphone, i think it was just a simple mini usb cable
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:48:33 < theBear> FreezingCold, i'm no expert and not arguing, but i thought the original old standard recommended the roughly +-10v levels against blah load/impedance etc etc, BUT still barely considered 0/3.3(or 5) to be valid levels
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:48:39 < Oldmanbeefjerky> laptop
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:48:42 < bulaia> Storyteller: how about you
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:48:43 < i336_> gunarm_: yes, that's not RS232. :P *reopens amazon page :P*
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:00 < i336_> t's k xD
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:01 < Oldmanbeefjerky> again, link http://www.mytoshiba.com.au/products/compare?sku=PSPLTA-0DW068&sku=PSPLTA-0DX068&sku=PSPLTA-014001&#
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:13 < bulaia> rs232 is the type of usb relay im supposed to be looking for right? i know nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:49:13 < FreezingCold> theBear: You're correct. The devices that use 3.3V RS232 would break if you feed them 9-10V
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:49:24 < theBear> FreezingCold, oh i know, but times are tough, and now i got this new damned machine i found on the curb i gotta get ANOTHER new cable or adapter thingy 'cos i'm too old fashioned to be able to use more than one video output, heck, i never even seen the other two, just read about them :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:28 < Oldmanbeefjerky> currently i have the x500
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:42 < Oldmanbeefjerky> really looking to upgrade
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:49:42 < FreezingCold> theBear: it's because people have basically written the RS232 protocol to work with TTL off microcontrollers
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:49:44 < FreezingCold> that's why
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:49:57 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i was wondering though why one model is so expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:08 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah generally  :(  are diodes or zeners REALLY that much hassle ? pfft, kid (designer)s these days
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:10 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: dude, get a thinkpad x1 if you're going to put down so much money
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:50:13 < Oldmanbeefjerky> when it just has an extra 16bg ram and more ssd hd
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:19 < FreezingCold> theBear: meh, nothing else needs 9V :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:26 < FreezingCold> 5V is much easier to play around with
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:50:29 < Oldmanbeefjerky> thinkpad? ill look into that
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:30 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, obsviously, otherwise neither of us would know any of this detial :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:50:39 < gunarm_> i336_, well http://www.myopenrouter.com/article/52395/How-to-Debrick-or-Recover-NETGEAR-R7000-R6300v2-or-R6250-Wi-Fi-Routers/ only uses TX/RX/GRND  so maybe voltage of the TTL adapter doesn't matter?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:50:56 < FreezingCold> theBear: the MAX3232 is exactly for fixing this problem
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:01 < Oldmanbeefjerky> im looking for a big screened high performance laptop
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:51:06 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, but ya know, got yer shiny (not so) new laptop with serial port, plugin yer barcode scanner or pos whatsit or receipt printer and blowup the port :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:12 < i336_> gunarm_: no, VCC is irrelevant, the 3.3V/5V applies to the voltage on the TX/RX pins.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:22 < gunarm_> ohh i understood it backwards
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:24 < i336_> gunarm_: the page says: "1 x USB-TTL 3.3 V adapter cable e.g. FTDI TTL-232R-3V3"
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:51:28 < FreezingCold> theBear: laptops really shouldn't have RS232 anymore..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:43 < Oldmanbeefjerky> dude, levono thinkpad sucks
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:51:47 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:48 < i336_> gunarm_: so, the board uses 3.3v logic (predictable, most networking stuff is 3.3v)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:52 < Oldmanbeefjerky> only has 256gb hdd
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:53 < theBear> gunarm_, oh sorry, i got lost, yeah, vcc is only needed if you gotta power a chip or buffer or something, you only need the data lines and SOME reference, which in this modern relatively sane world is generally a common gnd (aka 0v)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:51:58 < Oldmanbeefjerky> and only i5 processor
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:13 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: dude, it's a super light ultra book
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:52:18  * i336_ puts Oldmanbeefjerky in a box, hides the box under 20,000 thinkpads, and then forgets where he put it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:52:22 < Oldmanbeefjerky> but it sucks ass
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:32 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: would you rather carry a massive brick?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:52:34 < Oldmanbeefjerky> im after performance
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:36 < FreezingCold> that's what the toshiba is
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:39 < FreezingCold> then get a desktop
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:41 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, and outside of banks that still use wise terminals almost as old as me it is VERY rare to see a serial anything in the wild now,but ya know, i been fixing things for a long time, this stuff makes me sad
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:52:42 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i dont carry it anywhere
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:50 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: high end laptops are a huge waste of money
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:52:58 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: buy a $1k laptop and a $2k desktop
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:53:02 < FreezingCold> you will be much happier
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:53:18 < FreezingCold> theBear: industrial electronics still love their rs232
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:53:31 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i would preffer to stay as i am now, i do still need to move my laptop around and take it places
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:53:36 < FreezingCold> [19:52:41] <Oldmanbeefjerky> i dont carry it anywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:53:48 < Oldmanbeefjerky> not in the traditional sense
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:53:51 < Oldmanbeefjerky> occasionally
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:53:52 < theBear> this is the only laptop (netbook) i ever paid for, only computer i ever got new from a shop... was under $300 with all the ram upgrades and stuff, it KICKS ASS ! at the same time, it was literally unusable with the stock win7 install
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:53:56 < FreezingCold> if you only need to move it a little, then a desktop is still fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:04 < i336_> theBear: xD
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:12 < Oldmanbeefjerky> how do i use the desktop in my car, or camping?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:54:24 < FreezingCold> You use the $1k laptop for that
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:54:25 < theBear> FreezingCold, probly, but they got heavy duty mid-strength-lightning-storm protected ins and outs and screw terminals and din rails and crap :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:29 < Oldmanbeefjerky> or when i ride over to a friends house or go to uni
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:50 < theBear> i sometimes draem of going to uni one day
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:53 < i336_> Oldmanbeefjerky: those are travel-then-sit-still situations. you could use an arndale octa board for that
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:54:53 < FreezingCold> theBear: I love DIN rails, I wish they were popular in the electronics world
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:54:56 < i336_> Oldmanbeefjerky: 8 core ARM board FTW?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:55:09 < FreezingCold> theBear: I dream of uni admission nightmares
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:55:11 < i336_> Oldmanbeefjerky: you have to hook up your own screen, but it lasts for truly hours =P
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:55:24 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: you know anything high powered will barely last two hours on battery right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:55:26 < theBear> heh, sometime in the last couple days i finaly ticked over and got a proper grownup driving license ... no more plates in the window, no more kerfews, i can even have a beer and a half before driving now !
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:55:35 < Oldmanbeefjerky> ok, so asume i get the 1k laptop, i cant do shit with it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:55:41 < FreezingCold> excuse me
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:56:02 < Oldmanbeefjerky> all i ever do is high end gaming, video editing, occasional minecraft
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:56:08 < theBear> FreezingCold, it's funny how all this overlapping stuff gets so niche and industry-specific, but i noticed over the years VERY few people ever see the other industry/whatever and notice or see a better solution, lke we have
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:56:20 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: fine, waste your money. I was trying to be a realist
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:56:33 < Oldmanbeefjerky> my current laptop barely gets the job done
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:56:45 < Oldmanbeefjerky> also, a second system is out of the question
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:56:59 < theBear> if you got money to waste, i can build you 3 working laptops from the spares pile in the other room, and you can buy me food for the rest of the week, everyone wins :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:57:00 < FreezingCold> theBear: I can't wait until the CS world merges more with the industrial electronic world
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:57:07  * drac_boy is still waiting for some nice non-netbook laptops but isn't sure I want to go into the whole story atm
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:57:10 < FreezingCold> that will be fucking awesome
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:57:41 < theBear> i dunno man, i may be a cs AND a ee, but i don't like the idea of those code monkies getting anywhere near anything real i gotta be responsible for maintaining :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:57:59 < FreezingCold> but think about the automation they can do in software
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:58:11 < FreezingCold> OpenCV could replace half the PLC sensors in most factory lines
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:58:12 < Oldmanbeefjerky> sorry but im crystal certain about the qosmio, i just dont know why there is such a huge price difference between these models http://www.mytoshiba.com.au/products/compare?sku=PSPLTA-0DW068&sku=PSPLTA-0DX068&sku=PSPLTA-014001&#
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:58:30 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: because they're preying on suckers like you who want to waste money
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:00 < theBear> speaking of top of the line multi-k-$ desktops, this 'new' xeon/post core2 thing i just got plugged in at the desk here yesterday is CRAZY fast ! i can watch 1080p AND do postprocessing in realtime now !~
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:12 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i dont intend to upgrade for at least another 5 years
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:59:14 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: they charge $1k for 16GB of RAM hahahahahaha
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:16 < theBear> what's a kwyjibo ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:17 < Oldmanbeefjerky> my qosmio has lasted surprisingly well
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:18 < Oldmanbeefjerky> i got it in 2011
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:20 < Oldmanbeefjerky> no, 2010
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T02:59:23 < theBear> err, qosmio
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:59:36 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: sorry, and an ssd
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:59:40 < FreezingCold> I love that
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T02:59:55 < FreezingCold> fucking $1k for 16GB of RAM and 256GB SSD
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:00:12 < FreezingCold> that's just too good
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:00:17 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: buy it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:00:20 < FreezingCold> it's an amazing deal lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:00:28 < FreezingCold> /s
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:00:49 < Oldmanbeefjerky> so thats seriously it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:01:02 < FreezingCold> Oldmanbeefjerky: and yet you wonder why I'm telling you all of them are overpriced crap
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:01:04 < Oldmanbeefjerky> there wouldnt be any other performance differences
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:01:24 < Oldmanbeefjerky> crap or no, its still the best laptop ive ever seen
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:01:31 < FreezingCold> you can drop an SSD in in ten minutes
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:01:37 < FreezingCold> RAM in under 2 minutes
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:01:57 < FreezingCold> just buy a base system with the fastest CPU you want and upgrade the RAM and hard drive yourself
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:01:57 < Oldmanbeefjerky> short of alien ware performance wise, within the reasonable price range, though, alienware sucks ass since its made by dell
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:02:06 < theBear> i say lose track, stay a few years behind the times and wear blinkers, like me ... then when you spot a machine in a pile of rubbish on the verge and take it home and fiddle it into workiness,it's the most mindblowingly modern fast thing you ever used !
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:03:03 < theBear> what's the deal with alienware ? do they license a design to a normal brand or make their own or what ? i'm sure i've seen them around with things like acer(asus? pfft) logos on them
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:03:08 < Oldmanbeefjerky> 3 years ago i bought this laptop for $2600, the qosmio x500, the lowest end x500, up till now its been the fastest most awsome thing ive ever seen
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:03:27 < theBear> i've never spent that much money even in a week !
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:03:37 < FreezingCold> if you have money to blow, buy an ultrabook and a desktop...
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:03:43 < FreezingCold> ultrabooks are pretty nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:04:00 < FreezingCold> use cloud computing if you have a serious render job, or VNC in home to set it up
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:04:02 < i336_> theBear: what verges do you visit, and how do you find them? :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:04:28 < i336_> theBear: the 800MHz Duron I found on a verge (which I'm using now) is slower than the box it replaced (which doesn't work anymore =P) O.o
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:04:35 < theBear> if you have money to go workout a way to sponsor my err, life :)  i'm not a genius, but there ain't a lotta things out there i can't do, and a supply of food, cigarettes and liquor would keep me loyal for many many years to come
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:05:03 < FreezingCold> theBear: don't you have a full time job that pulls six?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:05:18  * i336_ subsitutes "house, food, bed and lots of computers" and agrees completely with theBear 
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:05:37 < i336_> hmm, and speakers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:07:43 < i336_> that way you know when to get the car^H^H^Htruck out :P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:07:54 < theBear> FreezingCold, six ? that's a good one, i was getting close until my err, infirm-ment err, damn, 3 years ago, give or take, since then i got a bit better and worked maybe 4 months, last year i worked 2 days in jan after the break, since then i just kinda pension around with my walkey stick trying not to look too miserable :]
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:07:54 < i336_> (and daisy-chained tow-trailers :D)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:08:10 < i336_> :/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:08:56 < FreezingCold> theBear: so you could have made an quarter if you worked full time?!
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:09:00 < FreezingCold> *a
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:09:07 < theBear> i336_, it's a dual edged sword, you get carried away with your own "i gotta strip that for parts one of these days, i do it this time, ooh, and that, ooh and . . ." and then you start seeing all this fancy flatscreen and pc parts and stuff everywhere and start trying to race collecting testing and re-scrapping stuff you don't want before the date
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:09:12 < Oldmanbeefjerky> holy crap i found a seller on ebay selling Qosmio X70-A014 new for $2300
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:09:22 < i336_> theBear: meep, ha, yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:09:25 < theBear> FreezingCold, a 1/4 ? that's a lot more than 6, or are we not following each other thru ambiguity ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:09:42 < FreezingCold> theBear: six = $100,000, quarter = $250,000
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:09:44  * i336_ gets the idea "find the oldest skill you have (eg, oldest programming language you know) and put that out there"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:10:41 < theBear> but this year the tvs were EVERYWHERE, and having all this time on my hands, i got carried away :) well, i'm sure i'll get 3 or 4 32" or bigger ones working out of the mess where my walkways used to be in the loungeroom and kitchen, just kinda, lost momentum :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:11:57  * i336_ inquires what model flashlight Firehopper is using
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:12:10 < i336_> theBear: \o/ XD
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:12:14 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, and doing electronics and audio and lighting tech and related stuff, breaking 6 numbers ain't easy, and it don't exactly change in leaps and bounds, it's all small negotiations yearly or if you get a new job happening, it's just a kinda limited career path if ya wanna make the silly monies, fortunately, i don't worry about that stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:13:13 < i336_> theBear: find a startup company-boutique-design shop type environment. you could be the go-to engineer for all the young "electronics designers" to run to when they get ohm's law upside down again.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:13:16  * i336_ hides
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:13:32 < theBear> oh, anyone remember who i was talking to yesterday about web/mapping stuff ? restarted the client and don't feel ike trawling thru ALL my /msg logs to remind me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:13:35 < i336_> s/electronics designers/electronics design artists/
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:13:46 < FreezingCold> theBear: but you still managed to do it without working full time
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:13:55 < i336_> theBear: what text did you specifically say?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:13:59 < FreezingCold> brb food
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:14:03  * i336_ will try and hand it to grep
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:38:06 < FreezingCold> my god
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:38:13 < FreezingCold> I keep falling for my own screensaver
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:38:23 < FreezingCold> this is embarrassing
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:38:25 < sonic2wb> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:38:58 < sonic2wb> LOL ive took a screenshot of my desktop and apon uploading it to imgur tryed to make its mouse move
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:38:59 < sonic2wb> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:39:13 < theBear> FreezingCold, lol, even after all these years we all get caught occasionally
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:39:20 < FreezingCold> my screensaver is a screenshot of my desktop before I locked it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:39:26 < FreezingCold> and the mouse point still moves normally
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:39:26 < sonic2wb> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:39:32 < theBear> oh, i thought it was the os-crash faker :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:39:39 < FreezingCold> the trick is that the mouse pointer looks slightly different
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T03:39:45 < FreezingCold> so if you pay attention you can tell
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:40:45 < sonic2wb> anyone good with diptrace in here?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T03:41:00 < Firehopper> to get on the mailing list, you need to sign up for a freebe when one comes around :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T04:56:51 < FreezingCold> wut
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T04:57:00 < FreezingCold> my PIC32 is only drawing 40 mA?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T04:57:05 < FreezingCold> plus two LEDs
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T04:57:07 < FreezingCold> tat sounds too low
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T04:57:09 < FreezingCold> *that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T06:16:36 < nsgn> Forgot about handspring entirely. Man.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T06:16:42 < nsgn> Had one.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T06:16:49 < Casper> erik-k: I'ld suggest more to go real lithium... 3 shall work fine
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T06:19:21 < FreezingCold> does this actually come with the driver or is it just the casing?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T06:19:22 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Portable-USB-2-0-DVD-CD-DVD-Rom-SATA-External-Case-Slim-for-Laptop-Notebook-OH-/261340063970?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3cd914e8e2
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T06:20:07 < nsgn> Casper, erik-k, It appears the motor is spec'd 12v 1.2a. Which of your suggestions would be most suitable for long term use with that?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T07:06:03 < kizzap> all I need to mount is the main power switch, it will have cables going to the rear where the transformer/fuse/IEC+filter is.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T07:07:42 < theBear> mmm, just checking, it's err, less than usual to use pcb as general case material 'cos it ain't as cheap as crappy mass produced metal
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T07:07:48  * erik-k observes the wget... Down to 50KBps... up to 100... 600... 47... hovering at 40..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T07:08:56 < kizzap> it is only for a front panel :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T07:11:09 < erik-k> Speaking of PCB materials... I've seen some of those transparent flexi-pcbs that are used to make flexible stripline cables...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T21:58:21 < kfoltman> Hyratel: oh yes, and the "careful" part is a problem too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T22:00:52 < kfoltman> part of my problem was that I was using 18mm plywood and not 5mm aluminium, but still
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T22:03:28 < GyrosGeier> hmm
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:45:05 < ashes> tawr: sure
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:45:37 < FreezingCold> oh cool, who's having a knife fight here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:45:39 < FreezingCold> ashes?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:45:42 < FreezingCold> please setup a live streawm
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:46:03 < ashes> i'm feeling bad for not defending a woman
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:46:33 < FreezingCold> I haven't been following, but how do you know she hadn't attacked someone right before you saw what you saw?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:46:40 < tawr> hell, i've competed in idpa and 3-gun competitions for years. i've taken countless courses. i de-escalate shit at every possible convinience, so far 100% success rate.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:46:51 < ashes> it's worse, because if it was the other clerk i would have defended her quicker
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:46:59 < tawr> ashes, get over it. no one was physically harmed. how can you defend the honor of a gas station attendant?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:00 < FreezingCold> oh right, tawr is the gun blazing american :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:18 < tawr> FreezingCold :P i'm a pacifist
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:20 < FreezingCold> ashes: did they just get robbed?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:31 < ashes> FreezingCold: no
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:38 < FreezingCold> she got knifed as well?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:41 < tawr> FreezingCold- they were mean to her
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:47:44 < tawr> and said bad words
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:44 < FreezingCold> LOL
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:47 < FreezingCold> seriously?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:47:57 < FreezingCold> I saw something about knifes here
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:48:02 < tawr> i brought that up
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:48:06 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:48:10 < FreezingCold> yeah ashes stay out of it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:48:32 < tawr> talking about training etc, how all the preperation in the world doesn't mean jack shit, it just means, if he's better than you - you die. if you're better, you both die
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:48:37 < FreezingCold> feel free to flirt with the cashier after they leave but don't be a whiteknight
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:48:46 < tawr> whiteknights get knifed.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:48:47 < tawr> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:49:01 < ketas> knifucked
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:49:10 < FreezingCold> if you live in any high tax country, why not use the police you paid for?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:49:15 < FreezingCold> that's how I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:49:27 < FreezingCold> but yeah this was nowhere close to police
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:49:40 < FreezingCold> this is just ashes thinking he can get laid like a disney movie
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:49:53 < ashes> martial arts training helps. if you train right, some things become automatic, like pushing a knive away from you
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:14 < tawr> right down the center of your palm :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:50:15 < FreezingCold> or you know, just don't get in those situations
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:20 < tawr> ^this
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:37 < ketas> ashes: push it right into you
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:50:39 < FreezingCold> I've never had a knife pulled on me or a gun
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:51 < FrankZappa> I have used weapons for self-defense.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:55 < FrankZappa> not fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:50:55 < ketas> FrankZappa: but penis?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:01 < ketas> FreezingCold:
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:03 < ketas> hahaha
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:07 < GyrosGeier> also, http://explosm.net/comics/2587/
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:07 < FreezingCold> FrankZappa: Florida?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:07 < tawr> FreezingCold - pm
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:09 < FrankZappa> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:19 < FreezingCold> ketas: luckily I've avoided seeing any penises in public
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:42 < ashes> i somehow avoided penis attacks, so far
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:49 < FreezingCold> tawr: meh, why PMs? just chat here
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:51 < ashes> uh
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:51:51  * tawr helicopters ashes - violently
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:51:56 < FreezingCold> too much clicking in different windows for me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:52:04 < ashes> except once, but it was still avoided
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:52:07 < FreezingCold> tawr: wait, the drunk dude was her coworker?
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:52:08 < tawr> bahah
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:52:41 < FreezingCold> just leave drunk people in public alone
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:52:48 < FreezingCold> if they're bothering other people, call the cops
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:52:51 < FreezingCold> problem solved!
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:53:34 < ashes> cops here are normally pretty professional
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:53:43 < ashes> with me
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:54:07 < ashes> i avoid it because police stops get recorded
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:54:11 < FreezingCold> the ones here walk around too much like they're in packs, but other than that they're somewhat okay
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:55:17 < ashes> i called them once, because i picked up a girl, brought her home, she got drunk and started punching me. i offered to walk her home (in winter), and she wouldn't leave
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:55:32 < FreezingCold> the main problem here is that our police are picked from the less educated jocks from high school
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:55:44 < GyrosGeier> the ones here come in two kinds: friendly and relaxed, and unfriendly and petty
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2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:55:53 < FreezingCold> but as long as you pretend you're helping them, just deal with the proper court system later
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:55:57 < FreezingCold> those guys are actually educated :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:08 < tawr> ashes, all I was trying to say with my comments earlier is that you most likely cannot defend yourself against a knife. in a fist-fight things can go wrong in a second. so what if he was rude - everyone was okay after the fact, that is the only thing that matters. period. any sort of confrontation would escalate the situation. you did the right thing, he left, no one was hurt. that is
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:09 < tawr> the BEST outcome possible, period.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:17 < WakkoWarner> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9ctzce0i5ma4ud/Photo%2018-05-2014%2001%2042%2030%20pm.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:22 < GyrosGeier> the latter group gets rather friendly though if you are wearing a suit and tie while being drunk and disorderly
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:33 < WakkoWarner> This,is my alarm clock
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:56:46 < FreezingCold> WakkoWarner: This,is an unneeded common
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:47 < tawr> No one got punched and now has brain damage laying in a hospital bed. no one got shanked and bled out on your floor. no one got shot. you did everything right
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:49 < GyrosGeier> because that means that you are in a fraternity, and quite likely have been drinking with their boss
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:56:52 < ashes> tawr: i probably did the right thing, but i still don't like it
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:57:05 < tawr> ashes, get over it. if you white knighted, someone would have gotten hurt.
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:57:07 < WakkoWarner> How,do i set the time on it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:13 < FreezingCold> ashes: so what exactly happened...? someone was just rude?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:15 < FreezingCold> is that all?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:19 < FreezingCold> that's worth talking about?
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:31 < ashes> FreezingCold: i feel bad
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:57:34 < WakkoWarner> Yeah i cant figure it out
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:52 < FreezingCold> ashes: you should feel bad if you fucked a girl without a condom and didn't tell her you had HIV
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:55 < FreezingCold> that's where you feel bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:57:58 < FreezingCold> this isn't where you feel bad
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:58:10 < ashes> a man verbally attacked a woman, and i didn't do anything
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:58:21 < tawr> boohoo.
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:58:24 < FreezingCold> I'm not saying it's right, but that happens daily on customer service jobs...
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:58:26 < FreezingCold> they're used to it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:58:30 < FreezingCold> doesn't mean you should do it
2014-05.log:2014-05-18T23:58:43 < FreezingCold> but yeah it's a part of the job, hence why most people try to quit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:59:12 < tawr> ashes, i've watched a man scream at a woman. grab items and throw them around the store in front of her. knock over tables. but he never once got close to hitting her
2014-05.log-2014-05-18T23:59:15 < tawr> which is what i was waiting for
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:05:09 < WakkoWarner> tawr: nothing different on the display
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:05:19 < FreezingCold> wow, google books is frigging impressive
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:05:27 < FreezingCold> upload epub's directly
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:05:32 < FreezingCold> perfectly for book piracy
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:06:00 < tawr> FreezingCold, imo book piracy doesn't exist
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:06:16 < WakkoWarner> Nope doesnt change
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:06:18 < tawr> (excluding teen-pop ebooks)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:07:04 < FreezingCold> tawr: textboook piracy?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:07:15 < WakkoWarner> That does nothing
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:07:45 < tawr> FreezingCold, net neutrality!
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:07:46 < tawr> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:08:12 < WakkoWarner> I dont know why it doesnt work
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:08:30 < FreezingCold> hmm, I feel like noscript might be slowing down my browser a bit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:08:35 < d-snp> does a constant voltage divider exist? basically a component that would take a voltage source, and then divide that voltage over two outputs, no matter what the load on those outputs?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:08:51 < WakkoWarner> The display just flashes like it does when i plug it  in
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:09:20 < gdogg> hey guys.. what are soldering iron tips made off? and how is it they wear out? I have one that's definitely seen better days. Filing it down a bit it looks like it's coated in copper? I'm guessing filing it is no good
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:10:00 < drac_boy> could use a relay but that seem a bit dumb..anyone here have any suggestion on how to build a cutoff-on-low-battery circuit? (its for 24v vehicle battery)
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:10:09 < d-snp> hi drac_boy :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:10:13 < FreezingCold> woah, my cities library made google street view inside of them!
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:10:38 < d-snp> drac_boy: relay doesn't sound too dumb..
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:10:55 < FreezingCold> fuck man google has everything
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:11:00 < FreezingCold> why don't they form a new country?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:11:07 < d-snp> lol FreezingCold is it good enough that you could find a book?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:11:11 < WakkoWarner> Anyone know how to set the time, it doesnt seem to like holding down the time button, maybe it needs to be in a different mode (on off auto or alarm)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:11:17 < tawr> gdogg. you are not supposed to file it
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:11:28 < FreezingCold> d-snp: haha well I'm looking at how they now allow you to upload your own street view maps
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:11:52 < WakkoWarner> Once again heres the clock https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9ctzce0i5ma4ud/Photo%2018-05-2014%2001%2042%2030%20pm.jpg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:13:45 < tawr> gdogg, do you have any rosin flux (liquid)
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:13:57 < gdogg> tawr: I have rosin paste
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:14:01 < tawr> d-snp, relays usually have 3 positions. NC / common / NO.
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:14:26 < FreezingCold> man now I really want a nexus 7
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:14:42 < d-snp> about the constant voltage divider.. I would imagine it worked using two voltage regulators in parallel...
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:14:43 < tawr> gdogg - throw some rosin on the hot iron where you want to re-tin and hope you can re-tin it, but usually soldering iron tips have a special coating to prevent oxidization
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:18:45 < tawr> then you knew you were buying a pirated version
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:19:02 < tawr> "Let me sell my 500 dollar software for 5 dollars!"
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:19:07 < Saginata> people still buy pirated CDs?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:19:08 < FreezingCold> I actually like noscript a lot
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:19:11 < tawr> "I won't need to use it ever again!"
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:19:13 < Saginata> instead of downloading?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:19:25 < Saginata> this brings back memories
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:19:28 < FreezingCold> WakkoWarner: just get a student key if you're a student
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:19:32 < FreezingCold> tons of colleges offer it for free
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:19:43 < FreezingCold> my college gave me a free key
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:19:48 < FreezingCold> still works even though I don't go there
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T00:20:14 < WakkoWarner> FreezingCold: does 6th form education count?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:20:18 < helloworld_> hello
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T00:20:31 < tawr> gdogg - lol. live and learn. I will say that when it comes to soldering and electronics - a good iron is indispensible. the better the quality the better the work. there's always exceptions, but it holds true
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:06:16 < t4nk466> any one
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:06:27  * pepsi smokes t4nk466's pot
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:07:17 < t4nk466> potentiometer
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:33:26 < cerberii> players who break the summoners code lose 23% more games
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:33:40 < cerberii> it could be that they are angry they are losing and break the code
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:01 < FreezingCold> https://i.imgur.com/LQXnTOP.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:02 < FreezingCold> Fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:06 < FreezingCold> what wires are what....?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:12 < FreezingCold> It's a thermostat
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:42:36 < ipatrol> tbh, I'd have to see the back of the board
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:48 < FreezingCold> I assume it has the following: hot, common, fan, heat and AC
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:42:59 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: back of what...?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:43:06 < ipatrol> back of the circuit board
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:43:06 < FreezingCold> It goes into the wall lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:43:11 < LeelooMinai> H is heater?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:43:15 < FreezingCold> the labels are right there in the front
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:43:37 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: maybe. RC = cool, RH = heat
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:44:10 < FreezingCold> found the model number
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:44:11 < FreezingCold> White-Rodgers 1F80-261
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:44:18 < FreezingCold> PDF time!
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:44:33 < LeelooMinai> http://www.doityourself.com/forum/thermostatic-controls/483133-wifi-thermostat.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:44:35 < ipatrol> FreezingCold: actually, I figured that out before you did, because you aren't the first to ask
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:44:53 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: figured out what? the model?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:45:01 < ipatrol> http://www.justanswer.com/hvac/7jk9v-white-rogers-1f86-344-thermostat-i-m-trying.html
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:45:04 < ipatrol> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:45:31 < ipatrol> "C G O Y" is a pattern fairly specific to White Rogers models
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:45:39 < dhrosa> should my lead acid battery's voltage  be DECREASING slightly during charging?...
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:45:54 < ipatrol> dhrosa: no
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:45:59 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:46:02 < ipatrol> disconnect it NOW
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:46:03 < GPF_1> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:46:03 < FreezingCold> this thing doesn't actually have power?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:46:04 < GPF_1> :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:46:11 < FreezingCold> terminal C is empty...
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:46:13 < dhrosa> disconnected
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:46:29 < dhrosa> I was using a smart charger, it rose to like 12.75, thenslowly dropped to 12.66
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:46:32 < FreezingCold> fuck, so I actually shouldn't have loosen the wires
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T02:46:34 < FreezingCold> idiot
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:47:15 < ipatrol> dhrosa: usually that's a sign of a short somewhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T02:47:34 < dhrosa> where, internally in the battery or something?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:02:51 < ipatrol> the benefit with lead-acid batteries is they can support a very large load for their weight, essential for automobile starter motors
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:04:02 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:04:16 < FreezingCold> so the idiots who ran my thermostat didn't bother running neutral
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:04:23 < FreezingCold> so it *has* to be battery powered
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:04:26 < FreezingCold> lazy fuckers
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:05:08 < ipatrol> it has to be DC powered
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:05:26 < timemage> FreezingCold, i suppose you could go find an old mercury one.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:06:10 < ipatrol> you could combine a power rectifier with a voltage regulator to simulate a battery while using mains power
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:07:52 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: it's not DC powered
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:07:57 < FreezingCold> the 24V switched voltage in coming in
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:08:04 < FreezingCold> I believe anyway, I didn't measure it
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:08:13 < FreezingCold> but the neutral wire just isn't there to wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:09:29 < ipatrol> is there a ground?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:10:09 < Kevin`> FreezingCold: what's wrong with your current thermostat that you need to replace it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:10:26 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: nope
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:11:08 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: nothing, just had to replace the batteries. I noticed that the idiots who set it up forced it to be battery operated
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:11:22 < Kevin`> oh, eww
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:11:36 < ipatrol> well, there has to be a power and a ground *somewhere*, that's circuits 101
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:11:39 < FreezingCold> yeah. Fuckers ran some kind of weird cat5/phone cable that has five wires
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:11:54 < Kevin`> FreezingCold: I would either run a new cable or replace the themostat with a mechanical one
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:02 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: it doesn't
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:12:03 < Kevin`> 5 wires should be enough
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:12 < FreezingCold> it's switched high
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:15 < ipatrol> FreezingCold: trace the wires from the battery holder
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:17 < FreezingCold> and battery operated
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:20 < FreezingCold> http://www.emersonclimate.com/en-us/resources/faq/white_rodgers/documents/0037-6288.pdf
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:21 < FreezingCold> page 3
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:12:24 < Kevin`> mine has 4 wires I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:28 < FreezingCold> figure 5
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:12:31 < Kevin`> (no neutral)
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:12:39 < FreezingCold> they skipped out on the common wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:13:24 < Kevin`> so what do each of the 5 wires on yours do?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:13:36 < FreezingCold> so I have hot cooling (input), hot fan (input), hot heating (input), 24 v heating transformer (output), 24 v cooling transformer (output)
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:13:46 < FreezingCold> it's switched high
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:13:54 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: lolwut? they ran separate control trafos for heating and cooling?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:14:00 < FreezingCold> Bird|otherbox: haha yeah....
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:14:08 < FreezingCold> not sure why
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:14:23 < FreezingCold> I thought 24V was 24V, but maybe it's a safety regulation?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:14:34 < Kevin`> input? is there some other device doing control?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:14:35 < FreezingCold> cause the AC unit is outside and "exposed to the elements" right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:14:48 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: input, switched on, whatever you want to call it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:14:59 < Kevin`> mine just has return, fan, hot, cold
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:15:06 < dhrosa> the huge tabs comingout of a SLA are  safe to solder  to, right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:15:07 < ipatrol> so figure 5, but with only 4 wires?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:15:22 < ipatrol> dhrosa: no! hold on!
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:15:24 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: yep. see the note towards the bottom about skipping out on C?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:15:34 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: right, because that makes sense.
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:15:37 < dhrosa> should I use those spade connector thingsthen?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:15:38 < timemage> dhrosa, huge?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:16:11 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: my device actually doesn't have any 24V running though it, it could be 1V or 36V, it doesn't care
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:16:24 < timemage> dhrosa, if i'm guessing right (and that's a big if), they're quick-connects / fastons or various other names.
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:16:24 < dhrosa> these guys: http://www.pre-lead.com/sealed-lead-acid-battery.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:16:32 < Kevin`> FreezingCold: unless you have some extra function you are using, why not rewire it to make sense and give yourself an extra common wire?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:16:37 < ipatrol> FreezingCold: untill you connect the neutral
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:16:48 < joebobjoe> Given a set of boolean functions, what is an algorithm to compose those functions to satisfy a given truth table?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:17:08 < timemage> dhrosa, yeah, you can buy what you need from a typical hardware store.
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:17:10 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: Yeah, in theory I could remove the RC or RH wire (add a jumper) and find neutral
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:17:18 < FreezingCold> but I'm not sure where these wires even go to be honest
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:17:31 < FreezingCold> and they might actually have a reason for separating the transformers
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:17:33 < Kevin`> yeah, learn everything before starting
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:17:35 < FreezingCold> I'm not an HVAC guy
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:18:38 < ipatrol> FreezingCold: go to RadioShack and buy a small length of wire of the appropriate gauge
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:18:51 < Kevin`> not so small, likely
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:19:03 < ipatrol> I assume you already have wire cutters
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:19:07 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: there's no current running though it
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:19:10 < FreezingCold> well there is current
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:19:11 < FreezingCold> but not much of it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:19:16 < Kevin`> and i'd personally re-run a new cable rather than add a wire to the cable
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:19:18 < FreezingCold> I assume it's switching something larger
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:19:21 < ipatrol> Kevin`: I mean, not excessively large
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:19:22 < Kevin`> I mean the length
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:19:27 < FreezingCold> yeah I have like 500 feet of cat5
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:20:54 < Kevin`> the colors are unfortunate on cat5 though, label things so any contractor yells at you slightly less when they see it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:21:07 < FreezingCold> ipatrol: I already have 24V
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:21:11 < FreezingCold> just no 0V :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:21:26 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: the colors are already very confusing
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:21:27 < dhrosa> timemage: what section of digikey wouldI find those connectors under?
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:21:32 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: https://i.imgur.com/LQXnTOP.jpg
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:21:55 < Kevin`> yeah those don't look entirely normal
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:21:56 < timemage> dhrosa, "terminals" probably.  but you could just take the battery with you to home depot or somewhere like that.
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:22:12 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: my dad got sears to do it... big mistake
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:22:18 < timemage> dhrosa, you need the correct size.  the battery datasheet may say.  i'm just guessing quarter inch.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:22:19 < FreezingCold> Sears or any store contractor sucks
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:22:34 < dhrosa> shipping time's not an issue for me, I'd rather order than go to home depot
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:22:39 < dhrosa> I can measure the width
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:23:13 < timemage> dhrosa, you can use the term "blade" also.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:23:53 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: actually, you do need the heavier gauge thermostat wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:24:05 < Bird|otherbox> network/phone wire is too skinny for thermostat work
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:24:13 < dhrosa> wow SLA voltage tanks after 10.5ish
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:25:02 < ipatrol> otherwise the current running through will fry the wire, and start an electrical fire
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:31:33 < ipatrol> maximum load per terminal is 1.0 A
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:31:52 < ipatrol> so the wire needs to be able to handle 5A @ 24VAC
2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:33:16 < FreezingCold> Bird|otherbox: it's worked for five years? =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:33:42 < dhrosa> wow why can I not find this connector
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:34:32 < timemage> dhrosa, http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/connectors-interconnects/terminals-quick-connects-quick-disconnect-connectors/1442842
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:37:19 < timemage> dhrosa, for whatever reason digikey doesn't call them "terminals".   they're sold in "terminal kits" in stores.  mouser lists them under Connectors > Terminals
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:41:20 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: what I'm saying is the wire they put in is heavier gauge than network or phone cable
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T03:41:36 < ipatrol> FreezingCold: try 18 gage wire for the neutral
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T03:41:50 < ipatrol> seperate from the main CAT5 cable, likewise for the hot
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:50:48 < dhrosa> ... the duct tape would help with that
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:50:55 < blackOff> la la la
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:50:58 < R0b0t1> GPF_1: If you do it right, and get the good tape, it's surprisingly waterproof.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:51:03 < R0b0t1> I prefer gorilla tape though
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:51:14 < dhrosa> isn't gorilla just a brand of duct tape?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T04:51:14 < R0b0t1> also electrical tape
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T05:09:26 < JFK911> dhrosa: hammonds good at customizing their stuff.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:13:11 < scottstamp> "they"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:13:16 < pepsi> silicon labs
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:13:21 < pepsi> SiM3U
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:13:45 < scottstamp> Ahh. Not a family I'm familiar with at all. :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:13:55 < scottstamp> ashes, Adafruit says it's JST-PH, it's JST-PH
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:15:06 < pepsi> http://www.silabs.com/Support%20Documents/TechnicalDocs/SiM3U1xx-SiM3C1xx-RM.pdf
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:15:16 < pepsi> page 482 is all i really know about whats going on inside
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:15:29 < scottstamp> Bummer. That's what I'm liking with these LPC micros, even if NXP decides to drop them (never gonna happen in any foresseable product lifetime imo) there are plenty of shops that make Cortex M0-4 ucs
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:15:33 < pepsi> some fets do stuff, and then there's an internal resistor making a divider with mine :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:25:17 < pepsi> so there seems to be some voltage being lost even with an open circuit.. but they dont describe that
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:25:33 < scottstamp> pepsi, it looks like the voltage is constant but it changes depending on what range you're setup to measure
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:25:36 < x86_64> ...is there a convertor from colors to numbers?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:26:14 < pepsi> so do i just assume it really is going from 3.1V down to 1.65?
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:26:17 < sonic2wb> Hey electronics guys, getting a sample order from atmel what would be good to get (arduino wise besides the avr lol)
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:26:25 < pepsi> with an open circuit, i get 3.1V in all modes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:26:47 < scottstamp> Try throwing a small 10k load on it and see what happens
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:26:51 < sabotender> how ya been
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2014-05.log:2014-05-19T08:27:53 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T08:28:33 < x86_64> i have the brains for it, but i don't have the eyes for it D:
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:44:05 < evilbetty> specialisation dentist? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:44:09 < davor> lmao
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:44:16 < davor> there's a separate college for dentists here :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:45:01 < evilbetty> my mom is dentist assistant :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:45:06 < evilbetty> but she didnt have to study for it
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T12:45:15 < evilbetty> well,, she did, but not at school :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T22:00:40 < JFK911> but i had to see if that battery was charged
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2014-05.log-2014-05-19T22:01:39 < JFK911> it took me 7 years to blow it
2014-05.log-2014-05-19T22:01:54 < anick> that was one badly-charged battery
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:00:18 < Jan-> it's an RS232 protocol designed to talk to PCs, but you could look at what methods it exposes.
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:00:23 < smeding> Jan-: no funny packages either :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:00:37 < Callmea> My project, is to create a serial protocol + ssoftware to use old color palms as graphics card + lcd screen over serial. I have already written most of primitive calls
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:00:39 < FreezingCold> speaking of RS232
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:00:44 < FreezingCold> what's the P2 header do here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:00:45 < FreezingCold> http://www.lctech-inc.com/Hardware/Detail.aspx?id=67f4ee1a-7412-4d12-87f6-7d00d52566ca
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:01:09 < Callmea> FreezingCold, hello :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:01:18 < Jan-> smeding: so um
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:01:21 < FreezingCold> hey Callmea
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:01:26 < bunder> Callmea: wouldn't rs232 be slow for graphics?
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:01:31 < Jan-> basically the reference plus 741 plus fet/scr/whatever approach is fairly sane?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:01:42 < Jan-> bunder: this is just a text one
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:01:45 < smeding> FreezingCold: at a guess probably the same signals
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:02:01 < Cylta> Callmea: probably will be useful for using them as small computers for quadrocopters and smart houses =)
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:02:05 < FreezingCold> so the head pin connects to... T2OUT, unknown, R2OUT and unknown
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:02:09 < Callmea> FreezingCold, maybe it s cheaper to make a pcb with a max232 and capacitors like i did?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:02:26 < smeding> Jan-: i'd stick to the thing someone has actually designed
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:02:35 < FreezingCold> Callmea: this module is $1.50 for just one with free shipping :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:02:49 < Callmea> bunder, yes serial is limited, but it will be only commands, alll graphics functions and commands will be on palm
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:02:54 < FreezingCold> pretty frigging cheap
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:03:16 < Jan-> yeah
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:03:17 < smeding> Jan-: the circuits there all use a zener or a tl431 (precision reference), a thyristor or triac and some ancillary stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:05:25 < smeding> Jan-: i'm not, i get that it's a team effort, but English doesn't have a singular/plural second person pronoun unfortunately
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:05:30 < Callmea> FreezingCold, i paid my max232N 1,32 € and salvaged capacitors for old pcbs :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:05:51 < FreezingCold> Callmea: so you paid more for it? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:06:26 < Callmea> Cylta, at the begin I want to use only letters for functions, but i t ask myself if it s a good choise, because it s unreadable
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:06:57 < Jan-> mc3423 seems reasonable
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:07:11 < smeding> Jan-: except i checked that one and it doesn't seem to be sold much anymore
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:07:30 < Jan-> they're on ebay
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:07:40 < bunder> no substitue part?
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:07:40 < smeding> there's probably a replacement available
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:07:42 < Callmea> FreezingCold, maybe you r right, I don t know the real price on max232 boards, but i bought it in a little real shop, somoe expensive.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:08:03 < FreezingCold> Callmea: I love getting prebuilt stuff from Shenzhen
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:08:14 < smeding> hmm, they don't list one no
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:08:46 < bunder> i'm pretty sure i bought my max232 off mouser
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:08:56 < Callmea> FreezingCold, i m like you but now, i prefere diy. On my max232 board i ve added many connectors for differents projects :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:13 < Jan-> people sell them for like £3 on ebay
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:09:31 < FreezingCold> I just like buying stuff that already has a proper connector soldered on it
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:32 < smeding> Jan-: if you don't need them on the long term, go for it
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:09:32 < FreezingCold> makes it easier
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:38 < GPF_1> hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:41 < bunder> glad i bought mine a couple years ago
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:46 < Jan-> it doesn't say what sort of SCR
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:48 < bunder> i just hope i still have it heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:09:55 < Callmea> yesterday i ve buyed a usb to serail (232) converted, very dispaointed. Too slow in comparaison of the real232 with my jdm programmer like :/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:10:04 < FreezingCold> Callmea: really?
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:10:08 < FreezingCold> I love my USB to serial conector
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:10:11 < FreezingCold> *connector
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:10:13 < FreezingCold> works wonders
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:11:00 < Callmea> FreezingCold, realy. it s a pl2303 circuit, and only tested on windows. Maybe a bad cheap, or windows issue with it :/
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:11:04 < FreezingCold> Off topic, but I wonder how much a Mandarin translator costs
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:11:12 < FreezingCold> Callmea: oh no I avoid those pl2303 modules
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:11:15 < FreezingCold> they're shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:11:44 < Callmea> I occur :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:11:56 < bunder> mandarin translator?  why bother, they can't get our language right either
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:12:00 < FreezingCold> Callmea: it looks stupid but get a CH-341 (pretty much all of the blue USB <-> serial connectors use this chip) and then get a MAX3232 board
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:12:04 < bunder> hell, we can't get our language right lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:12:28 < FreezingCold> Callmea: the usb <-> serial (db9) claim they're the crappy pl2303, but they're actually the ch-341
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:13:29 < FreezingCold> Callmea: I burnt out two pl2303 modules earlier this weekend; my ch-341's are still going strong after months
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:13:38 < FreezingCold> the casing does have a defect though... it falls off if you pull it lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:13:46 < Callmea> I read info on it, I thank you FreezingCold , i will test it :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:13:55 < bunder> aww nuts, speaking of adapters, i lost my db9 to rj11 adapter
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:14:29 < FreezingCold> cisco is the stupid company that does that right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:14:29 < Callmea> FreezingCold, i ve got a blue model, maybe i need to try ch 341 drivers?
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:14:43 < FreezingCold> Callmea: Are you using Windows or Linux?
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:14:47 < FreezingCold> cause I'm only using linux
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:15:00 < vectory> bunder: your language? most of it isn't even yours, it's the roman's viking's etc ;)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:15:09 < Callmea> I m using most of time linux, but often windows too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:15:46 < bunder> http://ca.startech.com/Cables/Serial-Parallel-PS-2/DB9-DB25/DB9-to-RJ45-Modular-Adapter-Female-to-Female~GC98FF
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:15:53 < bunder> omg, startech still exists
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:03 < FreezingCold> Callmea: plug it in and check dmesg. If it's a ch-341, it'll get picked up as that automatically
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:30 < FreezingCold> [20140519:191619~]$ dmesg | tail -10 | sprunge
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:30 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/GRDL
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:34 < FreezingCold> that's the nice adapter
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:48 < FreezingCold> [20140519:191624~]$ dmesg | tail -10 | sprunge
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:48 < FreezingCold> http://sprunge.us/XEQY
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:16:51 < FreezingCold> broken connector lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:17:42 < Callmea> Thanks i m on windows now, I noteyour dmesg log and I ll test it later :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:17:52 < bunder> that sounds like a linux problem, i had detection issues with my tv capture card too
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:18:12 < FreezingCold> bunder: it's not a linux problem. The transmit pin is stuck (hardware)
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:18:17 < FreezingCold> it used to work briefly
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:18:26 < bunder> i see
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:18:48 < FreezingCold> an easy test is to tie the RX/TX pins and see if it echoes back what you type
2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:18:53 < FreezingCold> if it doesn't, it's broken
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:19:02  * Jan- pokes smeding
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:19:39  * smeding beeps loudly
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:42:17 < FreezingCold> heh, trying to brute force a serial reset =/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-20T02:44:20 < FreezingCold> doubt it'll work
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:44:26 < Jan-> eh I give up
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:44:35 < Jan-> mutter why is this so hard
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T02:44:44 < bulaia> when in doubt, quit out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T10:19:44 < ohsix> jfet!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T10:21:12 < input-z> What sort of circuit would it be?
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T10:21:13 < intranick> i now know what to buy for the next family "white elephant" gift
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T11:19:44 < anic_> eww grannies singing songs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T11:19:58 < anonnumberanon> Brigitte Bardot pls
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2014-05.log-2014-05-20T11:20:10 < evilbetty> wtf
2014-05.log-2014-05-20T11:20:23 < evilbetty> and joe dassin
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:26:24 < Cylta> SpeedEvil: is morse code faster?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:26:42 < naquad> today at the hostpital i've seen a guy reading smoe braille book, he was reading it pretty fast. i would say something like 2-3 minutes per page
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:26:47 < berndj-blackout> morse code can be faster than i'm able to touch-type :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:29:32 < FreezingCold> yay, my otg cable came in!
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:29:42 < FreezingCold> The car remote shell I bought doesn't fit though :(
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:31:21 < SpeedEvil> I can understand 'screen reader' output at 240WPM or so.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:31:53 < SpeedEvil> My understanding is that this speed is not achieved by most braile readers ever.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:49:13 < LeelooMinai> Looks like a shark fin
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:49:45 < Cylta> what generator would you recommend to look at, to excite using small power(less, than 1W) very high power LC circuit(up to 100W inside)? probably inductivity-three-point generators, like armstroung or hartly?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:50:33 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Is this for your CNC machine?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:50:58 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: What? This is my osilloscope...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:51:03 < cheater> LeelooMinai: is this your photo?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:51:14 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I mean the power supply or whatever you're measuring
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:51:15 < cheater> LeelooMinai: how much did that red grip for the probe cost?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:51:22 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:51:25 < FreezingCold> was gonna ask that too
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:51:39 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I just made the photo, but it's my bench...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:51:52 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: what the hell are you measuring?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:51:55 < FreezingCold> that's my question :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:52:15 < LeelooMinai> cheater: Those cost about $15 or so from China - they are for machinist readouts really - holders for them
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:52:37 < LeelooMinai> But I used them to hold probes - they have magnetic bases
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:52:49 < LeelooMinai> They are pretty nice to adjust though
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:52:56 < LeelooMinai> ust one knob does all
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:53:16 < LeelooMinai> When you tighten that one big knob it makes all joints rigid
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:53:28 < FreezingCold> oh nice, my bluetooth rs232 replacement module came in already
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T01:53:30 < FreezingCold> that was quick
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:53:32 < cheater> LeelooMinai: can you link me up to where i can buy that?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:54:02 < JFK911> harbor freight has some but they probably arent as good as hers
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T01:54:08 < LeelooMinai> cheater, they are on aliexpress for example: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Magnetic-Base-holder-Free-Shipping-Dial-Indicator-Gauge-3D-Center-Locking-Magnetic-Base-Stand-Holder-Centre/1710431638.html
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:22 < R0b0t1> Now, if they know the thing that occurs is different because of the relative ranges of the temperatures...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:34 < R0b0t1> s/and/in/
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:12:39 < FreezingCold> xorm: do you not google drugs before you take them?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:47 < GPF_1> hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:50 < Inkrement> Well, apparently doing this changes the crystalline structuer of metals?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:51 < R0b0t1> No, NSA would find him.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:12:57 < Inkrement> I'm not a metallurgist
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:02 < Inkrement> So I don't know about metals and craps
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:06 < xorm> it wasn't a matter of "what drug is this"
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:13:10 < FreezingCold> hmm, i should run a full image backup soon
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:11 < xorm> i didn't have rolling papers
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:13:20 < FreezingCold> xorm: more of a "how do I take this drug without fucking myself up"
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:22 < xorm> so i was trying to make do with what i had, and asked for advice
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:13:31 < FreezingCold> weed is stupid anyways
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:33 < GPF_1> I understand they just caught some malware people?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:13:39 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: for what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:45 < R0b0t1> GPF_1: "malware people"
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:13:48 < GPF_1> something to do with software called BlackShade?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:14:04 < R0b0t1> >buy pentesting software
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:45:01 < FreezingCold> How secure is a 4 digit bluetooth passcode?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:45:40 < ss23> My understanding of bluetooth was "LOL NO SECURITY"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:46:35 < R0b0t1> You can represent 0-9 within 4 bits so let's assume 4 bits of entropy per digit. 4*4=16 bits of entropy, or a search space of 2^16.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:46:36 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:46:50 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: you sure it isn't 10^4?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:47:00 < R0b0t1> You can get a slightly worse estimate if you do it in base 10 instead of base 2, but that's generally less meaningful.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:47:21 < R0b0t1> worse = means bad things, not less accurate
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:47:50 < FreezingCold> you're not gonna have to brute force anything beyond B'1001
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:47:57 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: 10^4 guesses. In the context of "how secure" that's kind of not the best answer to give.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:48:43 < R0b0t1> <R0b0t1> You can get a slightly worse estimate if you do it in base 10 instead of base 2, but that's generally less meaningful.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:48:56 < R0b0t1> <R0b0t1> You can get a slightly worse estimate if you do it in base 10 instead of base 2, but that's generally less meaningful.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:49:02 < FreezingCold> I get it :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:49:21 < FreezingCold> I'm just wondering how bad of an ideal it would be to control an industrial robot with bluetooth
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:49:54 < R0b0t1> An absolutely terrible idea (with stock communication stack).
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:50:09 < FreezingCold> Well, wouldn't range be a security measure it inself?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:50:12 < FreezingCold> *itself
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:50:16 < R0b0t1> There's usable TLS for bluetooth and/or you can use the pin system differently iirc.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:50:26 < Cylta> FreezingCold: you could realise DH inside
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:50:34 < FreezingCold> Cylta: DH?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:50:50 < R0b0t1> Diffie-Heilman(sp)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:50:54 < Cylta> deffi-hellman or something like that. assymetrical encryption key exchange
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:50:59 < R0b0t1> People have done it.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:51:16 < FreezingCold> wouldn't work with off the shelf modules though
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:51:23 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Range is some physical security but what are you protecting against?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:51:33 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Yes it would.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:52:46 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I'm looking at a already finished RS232 bluetooth module, unless I add hardware on the other side, I don't see how that's gonna happen
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:53:00 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: people hacking with the systems for the hell of it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:53:38 < R0b0t1> I mean... is it a bluetooth serial module, specifically? This would limit how you can implement it, but it's still implemable.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:54:01 < FreezingCold> the module I'm looking at claims it's class 2, so that would be ~10 meters
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:54:17 < R0b0t1> <R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Range is some physical security but what are you protecting against?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:54:24 < FreezingCold> [19:52:57] <FreezingCold> R0b0t1: people hacking with the systems for the hell of it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:54:36 < FreezingCold> people like me?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:54:47 < R0b0t1> If the module is not specifically bt-232 you could copypasta the TLS people already made
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:54:57 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: If the luls are great enough, it will be hacked
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:54:58 < R0b0t1> but okay
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:55:06 < R0b0t1> you are not intended to protect against someone too dumb to live?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:55:15 < R0b0t1> intending*
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:55:25 < FreezingCold> http://makezineblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/hc_hc-05-user-instructions-bluetooth.pdf
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:55:28 < FreezingCold> that's the module
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:55:34 < R0b0t1> What about sabotaging production... for luls?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:56:08 < FreezingCold> I'm starting to think it may be a moot point with a 30 foot range anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:57:20 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I still don't understand how I'd be able to throw TLS over top of it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:57:39 < R0b0t1> Well if it's on top it's not "really" tls
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:57:46 < R0b0t1> but you can implement a key exchange
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:58:07 < R0b0t1> I mean this really depends on what you want to do, do you want to make a robot arm move, or implement some crypto?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:58:16 < FreezingCold> move mostly
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:58:20 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: these robots are usually a dumb terminal at the far end, so I don't think it'd be that easy
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:58:38 < Mad7Scientist> So we never decided on what the idel battery voltage is for cordless drills
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:58:46 < Mad7Scientist> 120VDC is not a good choice
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:58:51 < FreezingCold> 120VAC
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:58:54 < FreezingCold> :>
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:59:18 < Mad7Scientist> I'm thinking 3.6 volts would be the best
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T02:59:36 < FreezingCold> how the fuck do we go from 120VDC to 3.6VDC?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T02:59:40 < R0b0t1> Mad7Scientist: Priorities - 1) Adequate torque. 2) Adequate use time. 3) Cost. 4) Extra torque.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:00:54 < R0b0t1> You obtain #1 by increasing voltage or increasing current, the first of which increases #3 and decreases #2, the second of which might increase #3, but less than V, and might decrease #2, but less than V.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:01:17 < Mad7Scientist> <Mad7Scientist> What's everyone's opinion on the best cordless drill voltage?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:01:18 < Mad7Scientist> <JFK911> 120
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:01:35 < JFK911> i like 120 vac
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:01:37 < FreezingCold> yeah, but how did you think 3.6V was the next logical guess?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:01:50 < FreezingCold> had you said 50VDC it would have made a bit of sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:01:53 < FreezingCold> but... 3.6V?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:01:54 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:01:54 < R0b0t1> So they settled at ~24-36V (some older drills use 12V) because the amount of voltage you can supply is quantized by the cell chemistry and the number of cells and fits those 4 criteria well.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:02:00 < FreezingCold> I do like my 24V
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:02:04 < R0b0t1> If you spend more money, you can get 42-48V drills and batteries.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:02:05 < Mad7Scientist> It's a simple issue of how much voltage drop is in the wires, motor brushes, and speed controller
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:02:08 < R0b0t1> They sometimes come on mowers.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:02:22 < FreezingCold> 24V is a nice level for industrial equipment
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:02:38 < Mad7Scientist> cars start on 12v
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:02:42 < Mad7Scientist> a whole engine!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:03:15 < sonic2wb> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:05:41 < Mad7Scientist> my 1.2 volt electric tooth brush works fine after nearly 20 years with the original NiCd
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:05:59 < Mad7Scientist> Most battery packs are ruined from over discharging, and the effect becomes worse with higher voltages
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:07:06 < FreezingCold> wtf
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:07:13 < FreezingCold> google is claiming google is trying to hack my emails
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:07:21 < Mad7Scientist> notice how battery voltages keep going up! 3.6v then 6v then 7.2v then 12v then 14.4 then 18v now somebody has to sell 19.2v
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:07:38 < R0b0t1> Mad7Scientist: They're not, they supply more torque.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:08:19 < Mad7Scientist> If that is true, it is not logical
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:15:20 < GPF_1> crawling speeds.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:15:34 < R0b0t1> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:15:38 < SpeedEvil> make it just crawl, then stall it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:15:50 < FreezingCold> GPF_1: it's kinda funny, is there any site I should report it to for the laws?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:15:52 < FreezingCold> *lawls
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:16:03 < GPF_1> don't know
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:05 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: vanning will get you put in the slammer :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:16:09 < GPF_1> why would google tell you that ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:26 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Obviously, you can report it to the FBI... if you actually have information.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:30 < FreezingCold> they said it was a suspicious login
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:16:32 < Firehopper> https://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/14038379970/ < fun dev board :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:16:34 < JFK911> oh, i do hear a high pitched noise
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:38 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: lol it was google who told me about it :p
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:45 < FreezingCold> they emailed me saying they blocked themselves
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:16:50 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Doesn't it give you geoip? Probably from someone who skimmed your username.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:16:56 < R0b0t1> Probably from China/Malaysia
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:17:01 < GPF_1> was there a link for you to click on?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:17:07 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: it gives me an internal Google IP address
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:17:10 < FreezingCold> I shit you not haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:17:15 < JFK911> i just didnt figure they would do something besides the cheapest thing
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:17:52 < GPF_1> speed controls for drills are more or less standard these days
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:18:07 < GPF_1> they come in like 4 different sizes from the generic market.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:19:40 < GPF_1> they have drill type speed controls in the handle.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:19:48 < GPF_1> 50 amps
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:19:52 < GPF_1> easy
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:20:03 < FreezingCold> the ipv6 address shows that the address is controlled by Google
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:20:16 < GPF_1> one of our models that gets used, uses a 555 timer as the PWM and one MOSFET.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:20:23 < FreezingCold> it's in the 2607:f8b0 range
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:20:57 < GPF_1> ah, the 16 bit format IP's
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:21:18 < GPF_1> well, you can reset easy knowing that at least it comes from a newer PC!
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:25:07 < FreezingCold> but google doesn't need to hack my account
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T03:25:11 < FreezingCold> they already have my password
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:26:39 < R0b0t1> Technically, they do not.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T03:26:43 < R0b0t1> Well they might.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:00:03 < FreezingCold> so with my nice OTG cable, I can now hook up my Das Blue MX mechanical keyboard to my Nexus 7
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:00:11 < FreezingCold> I should take this fucker on the bus
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:00:47 < R0b0t1> ._.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:01:20 < FreezingCold> if I continue with school and transfer to uni, I could bring it to lectures too
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:01:23 < FreezingCold> now that would be good
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:03:32 < ohsix> .
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:03:48 < ohsix> if the lecturer lets you bring in a computer you might as well leave
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:04:30 < FreezingCold> uh
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:04:32 < ldunn> bringing a Das with blues to a lecture sounds like a good way to get kicked out
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:04:33 < FreezingCold> how old are you ohsix ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:04:53 < FreezingCold> ldunn: I'm kidding lol. I bought a small apple bluetooth keyboard for class
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:05:16 < FreezingCold> I also type at >80 wpm, so I can picture it getting very annoying very quickly with blues
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:05:18 < ldunn> :P I bet some daft people have done it, though
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:06:24 < FreezingCold> I dunno, seems like an odd thing to bring to class
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:06:38 < FreezingCold> how many people who have blues also go to university and have also attempted to bring them to class?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:07:14 < ldunn> I'd wager too many ;( (but I do not know!)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:08:23 < FreezingCold> apple actually makes a pretty decent keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:08:36 < FreezingCold> it's not terribly accurate, but it's fast
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:08:46 < FreezingCold> I find I hardly made typos with a mech keyboard
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:08:54 < FreezingCold> *I hardly ever make typos
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:08:55 < ohsix> how do you make an inaccurate keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:09:07 < Casper> too soft keys
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:09:11 < FreezingCold> ohsix: keys that are easy to bump into
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:09:11 < Casper> bad key shape
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:09:14 < FreezingCold> and what Casper said
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:09:24 < R0b0t1> see: most laptop keyboards
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:09:26 < FreezingCold> Full keycaps are much easier to hit compared to compact designs
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:09:32 < ohsix> you might be looking for a different word, then
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:09:48 < FreezingCold> accuracy seems decent to me
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:10:20 < Casper> hmmm this might be more complicated than I previously expected...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:10:30 < FreezingCold> Casper: What are you working on?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:10:45 < Casper> transparent proxy, squid being on another machine than the router, and on the lan side...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:10:54 < Casper> on the same interface that is being proxyed
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:17 < ohsix> perhaps
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:18 < Casper> specially that microsoft throttle the speed slower than our connection speed
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:12:21 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:23 < ShadowJK> windows update is probably not cacheable
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:28 < ohsix> you can stage the updates somewhere local
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:33 < Casper> it is not, but you can force it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:12:40 < FreezingCold> yeah, those types of proxies are pretty pointless unless you're running to a massive number of users and your bandwidth sucks dick
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:12:51 < FreezingCold> like if you're stuck on satellite
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:12:56  * ShadowJK hasnt run any analysis on his squid logs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:13:02 < Casper> server set a do not cache, expire in 1970 and the client issue a force refresh
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:13:22 < Casper> FreezingCold: microsoft limit the bandwidth at like 900kB/s
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:13:36 < ShadowJK> but squid used to be very useful for the ase of having 50 firefox tabs-as-bookmarks when ff crashed, and subsequently restored all tabs
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:13:51 < FreezingCold> Casper: can't you parallel the shit of them? That's what I used to do for .iso's
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:14:02 < Casper> downloading the update take as much time as installing them
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:14:08 < Casper> FreezingCold: windows update do not parallel
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:14:32 < FreezingCold> Casper: I mean download the updates manually and throwing them in the right folder
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:14:40 < ohsix> folduh
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:14:48 < Casper> that "may" work, and is actually plan B
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:15:12 < FreezingCold> Casper: I'll write a program that does it for $250 :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:15:26 < ohsix> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb332157.aspx
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:15:29 < Casper> FreezingCold: too bad, I have one that could do it easilly
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:15:32 < ShadowJK> What blows my mind is that even with a fast haswell, raid-0 SSDs, and fibreoptic interwebs, windows update is still fucking sloooow
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:15:51 < Casper> ohsix: that is no-good
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:15:52 < FreezingCold> Casper: on a serious note, just look at the number (like KB960714) and find it on microsoft's side
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:15:53 < ShadowJK> it's like they had wait loops in there so that it runs slow everywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:16:01 < ohsix> can you be specific
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:16:07 < ohsix> that's what people use
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:16:19 < Casper> that require a windows server + windows update server + all windows pro and up clients, in domain
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:16:31 < ohsix> ShadowJK: since 22 or something firefox only loads on click
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:16:34 < FreezingCold> Casper: wait, how many systems are you updating here?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:16:36 < FreezingCold> I thought it was one
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:16:36 < Casper> totally unacceptable in a repair shop
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:16:53 < Casper> FreezingCold: working in a computer repair shop
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:17:00 < FreezingCold> ahh
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:17:01 < FreezingCold> do you own the shop?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:17:04 < Casper> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:17:08 < ShadowJK> ohsix; yeah I set this up before ff even started with the current version number scheme
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:17:16 < FreezingCold> Casper: fuck it then, don't write any scripts for them
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:17:42 < ohsix> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd939928%28v=ws.10%29.aspx#client
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:17:46 < hjf> ohsix: so i went to the distributor to get help. i let them upsell me. they asked the engineer (like, real, university engineer not english type "engineer")
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:17:50 < Casper> I actually might succede to get the other idiot throw out
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:18:15 < FreezingCold> ohsix: oh right, I totally forgot about Windows' deployment services
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:18:19 < FreezingCold> or whatever they call it now
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:18:20 < ohsix> as for the host  Windows® Small Business Server 2011, Windows Small Business Server 2008, or Windows Small Business Server 2003 with SP2
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:18:23 < Casper> and the second guy is an issue for me
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:18:25 < ohsix> plus more
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:18:39 < Casper> :D
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:18:41 < hjf> ohsix: instead of an inductive sensor, or any other silly stuff...he suggested this http://mla-s1-p.mlstatic.com/modulo-final-limite-de-carrera-porton-ascensor-multiples-uso-12752-MLA20065344349_032014-O.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:18:47 < FreezingCold> Casper: If you can run the whole shop yourself, just pouch all the clients and open your own shop
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:06 < R0b0t1> That may or may not be written into his contract as illegal.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:09 < ohsix> hjf: nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:19:10 < Casper> FreezingCold: too much paperwork
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:20 < dhrosa> so, my smart charger charges SLA batteries with CC then trickle
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:25 < ohsix> hjf: better a probe thing than a microswitch i guess?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:34 < dhrosa> I notice that on two of my batteries, it chooses to output fullsafe voltageimmediately
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:19:37 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: It usually doesn't result in any punishment as long as you don't do anything retarded like steal a database with client contact info
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:40 < dhrosa> this sounds like high internal resistance on the battery?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:19:48 < ohsix> ShadowJK: lel that was one of the reasons i ran polipo on my laptop :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:19:52 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: just remembering people's name isn't a crime and you won't get in legal trouble
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:19:59 < FreezingCold> their lawyer might threaten you, but meh
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:02 < dhrosa> oo, it's rapidlydecreasing now
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:04 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: If it's in his contract he will
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:05 < ShadowJK> what's polipo?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:06 < Casper> but anyway, even if I attempted to do that...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:09 < hjf> ohsix: no, it's a microswitch in an IP68 case, but instead of a rigid arm, it has that spring thing. rated up to 120C even.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:11 < Casper> I wouln't survive
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:13 < dhrosa> maybe I spoke too soon, I did start them while fully discharged
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:18 < ohsix> FreezingCold: where's your disclaimer about not being a lawyer
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:19 < Astaelan> [20:13] <Casper> FreezingCold: microsoft limit the bandwidth at like 900kB/s <--- You downloading from MSDN? Because I get 13MB/sec, caps my connection.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:21 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: those contracts are usually unenforceable
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:29 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I don't have to give one since I'm not an lawyer :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:33 < Casper> the store is mostly an extension of my boss...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:34 < R0b0t1> hjf, so this engineer can read advertising pamphlets.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:37 < R0b0t1>                       wow
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:42 < R0b0t1> much impress
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:20:47 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: no, I just abuse the shit out of parallel downloading
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:50 < ohsix> ShadowJK: small caching proxy, can do offline browsing http://www.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr/~jch/software/polipo/
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:20:57 < Casper> Astaelan: check your windows update speed, no the msdn...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:01 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: That was more towards casper, but okay :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:09 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: yeah I noticed that after I hit enter lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:21:09 < hjf> R0b0t1: yes. you'd be surprised at the sheer amount of "engineers" that don't even bother to do that
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:11 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: ... Barring specific local laws, they're enforceable, mainly because you agreed to it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:21:16 < Casper> Astaelan: somehow microsoft decided to throttle that server for who knows what reason
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:34 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: they can't be forced if they're considered unreasonable. It's like EULA's
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:21:40 < Astaelan> Casper: Most of the updates can come off MSDN though too, especially if you're talking big updates, but even windows update doesn't throttle me at 900kb/sec, however that may be related to me using MSDN installations (bypassing throttles?)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:42 < FreezingCold> saying you can't work for yourself is unreasonable
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:46 < FreezingCold> so yeah, won't fly
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:21:51 < ohsix> FreezingCold: do you know who decides what's unreasonable?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:21:55 < hjf> R0b0t1: but seriously, have you seen Festo's catalog? IT'S A FUCKING PHONE BOOK, with hard cover!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:00 < ohsix> this is after 'we've sued'
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:22:03 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the court and not your previous employer
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:10 < Astaelan> Casper: THe only time I've heard of them throttling is when they release a new product... surprising you're getting capped at 900kb/sec on windows update even.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:18 < Astaelan> So, I wonder if a new product went out...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:21 < R0b0t1> I mean, there's good precedent supporting customer-stealing clauses in contracts... but anyway, to recap
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:28 < Casper> basically, my boss do service at business, on site... the job I get at work is half his client, the jobs that are too long/expensive for on site (like virus cleanup, windows install)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:32 < R0b0t1> you'd go up and tell a judge that you did not read your employee contract
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:22:34 < FreezingCold> http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/167128
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:39 < R0b0t1> (i.e., that you are too dumb to live)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:46 < hjf> now i wonder how much they will ask because the part they showed me was Schneider
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:22:55 < Astaelan> Casper: Might be worth installing squid in your environment then, if you do a lot of updating.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:23:01 < ohsix> you can get charged with all sorts of great stuff for stealing customer information too
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:23:03 < hjf> ima bet $600 being schneider. lol.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:03 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: you can read it, sign it, and yet still not get it forced
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:23:20 < Astaelan> Casper:  Squid could cache all that within your intranet fairly easy.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:28 < ohsix> <FreezingCold> i am not a laywer, but
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:43 < FreezingCold> it's the internet, anyone can be a lawyer
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:45 < FreezingCold> :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:23:47 < hjf> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:23:55 < hjf> reminds me of an argument i had with an idiot in slashdot
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:56 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I am talking about nonsolicitation, not noncompete
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:23:57 < FreezingCold> I could be a lawyer cat for all you know
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:01 < Casper> also, a squid proxy could get usefull at some of my boss client...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:03 < hjf> some dude called "Bill the Engineer"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:09 < Astaelan> Casper: Yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:15 < Astaelan> Casper: For multiple station installing forsure.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:24:17 < FreezingCold> hjf: "Hey it's Bill the engineer, here's your personal bill"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:19 < R0b0t1> noncompete involves other things usually, like not going into the same line of work
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:24 < Casper> 60 employe on a plain 20Mbit connection, and they visit mostly the same sites
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:30 < Astaelan> Or even that.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:40 < ohsix> put some buns in it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:41 < ohsix> done
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:24:45 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: saying you can't open your own shop is pretty noncompete
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:47 < hjf> and he was talking about constitution bullshit. and that laws can't limit the freedoms the constitution "
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:50 < Casper> hmmmm I wonder...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:24:56 < FreezingCold> anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:57 < R0b0t1> Casper: Oh, nice call... assuming the content is a good fit for caching.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:24:58 < hjf> laws regularly limit the freedoms of constitution.......
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:04 < FreezingCold> Casper doesn't want to do it anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:05 < FreezingCold> so
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:06 < Astaelan> Casper: but me personally, when I was in that niche area of having to deal with windows updating and stuff, I either used Ghost to image common hardware, or I had all the current updates on a memory stick ready to go. Last resort, I usually slipstreamed an ISO with it all for install.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:08 < FreezingCold> moot convo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:15 < Casper> I'll talk to my boss about that... the updates there! might be why it's so slow sometime...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:15 < ohsix> CONTRACTS? FUCK EM
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:22 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: Ewww, isn't Ghost by Norton?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:23 < FreezingCold> dd FTW
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:27 < hjf> Casper: what sites? squid nowadays is only good for whitelisting/blacklisting sites. forget caching
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:33 < Astaelan> FreezingCold: Oldschool days :) About 15-20 years ago now.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:38 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:25:39 < FreezingCold> fair enough
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:41 < R0b0t1> Casper: Also in an office setting, you can have the updates be scheduled.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:51 < Casper> Astaelan: slipstream on french seems to never work proprelly
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:25:53 < hjf> what updates
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:02 < Casper> R0b0t1: it's not a true office setting
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:05 < Astaelan> Casper: Oh, I can't speak to the international versions sorry.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:14 < Casper> it's some real estate agents
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T05:26:14 < FreezingCold> Casper: ##windows
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:16 < R0b0t1> Casper: With 60 computers, it should be
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:16 < ohsix> Casper: you don't have sbs or 2003/2008 server somewhere in the building?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:26:23 < hjf> you can't cache windows updates with Squid
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:11 < Casper> yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:22 < Astaelan-> Time to run your own line in :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:27 < Hyratel> hjf, this is the state it was in when you were assigned to it?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:32 < Casper> and they have the fastest uplink available there (10Mbit) for an acceptable price
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:42 < Casper> the next step is a thousand dollar per month
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T05:49:51 < Astaelan-> Casper: Or moving to another location.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T06:04:47 < R0b0t1> should list mm^2..
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:50:02 < FreezingCold> ugh, my room reeks of axe
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:50:08 < FreezingCold> I used it to kill a bug outside my window
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:50:20 < ss23> Not worth
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:50:24 < MjrTom> sensible use for it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:50:25 < ss23> I would've put up with the  bug
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:50:36 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: yeah that was my thinking
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:50:51 < FreezingCold> I've literally had this can for years
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:50:52 < MjrTom> except for the part where now your room stinks of axe...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:50:59 < FreezingCold> well, I mostly aimed it outside
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:51:01 < jazz> So I found an old tiny TV from 1979 I'd like to use for a project. I need composite input (3 color plug) the TV only has video input for an antennae. Does a converter exist? What would it be called?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:51:23 < FreezingCold> jazz: I used to use a VCR to convert the video
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:51:26 < FreezingCold> that was the easiest
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:51:47 < jazz> The antennae input is composed of two wires with "claws" screwed in
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:52:11 < jazz> That's what I was thinking, but I wasn't sure. I haven't messed with this stuff in a while :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:53:20 < upgrdman> ohsix: smelly body spray for young men
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:53:25 < ohsix> rite
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:53:36 < MjrTom> * stinky
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T07:53:52 < FreezingCold> sticky
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:53:57 < ohsix> i'm not a fan, either
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T07:54:10 < ohsix> i think they made old spice up their game in the commercials tho
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:12:31 < ohsix> one of the benefits of sticking with a vendor is most of the devices work largely the same
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:12:38 < ohsix> synaptics is pretty big, too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:14:29 < ohsix> hm
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:14:35  * zigggggy wakes up sleeptyper
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:27:20 < ohsix> there is
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:27:33 < ohsix> dealing with changing humidity and shit is something you need to do to make them work well
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:27:39 < metacollin> Yeah.  I mean I guess maybe just to see if they could
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:28:02 < metacollin> And there was no one around to punch them in a dick and yell “NO” at them
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:28:16 < ohsix> what article was it linked from?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:49:23 < metacollin> I am just generally curious, I’ve never had a chance to talk to someoen who did that haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:49:45 < Kevin`> a dsp is just a differently-optimized cpu
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:50:04 < ossifrage> metacollin, the DSP was tuned to working on pixels, but what you actually did with the instructions was all software
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T08:50:05 < FreezingCold> yay, my new bluetooth rs232 module works!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:50:11 < metacollin> Yeah, by someone I mean worked on a processor (of any kind)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:50:20 < metacollin> Ooooh I see.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:54:10 < ossifrage> dhrosa, yeah they didn't want to spend money on the next speed grade up, but at that point it was in the noise
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:54:38 < ossifrage> You couldn't fit enough of the chip in it to make for much of a demo
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T08:56:03 < ossifrage> Speaking of $10k FPGAs, I worked with a guy that worked with telescopes and he told me that for one sensor they went through something like 1000 wafers to get one that was as close to perfect as they could get
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T08:57:43 < moistcherry> FreezingCold, you may want ##hoverboard
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:01:02 < FreezingCold> so I got my android streaming data to an rs232 SSP module, going into a MAX3232 (3.3V RS232 to DB9 +-9V), going to a USB RS232 CH431, which finally goes to my PC
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:02:19 < metacollin> is it one of those HC-05/HC-06 modules?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:02:57 < metacollin> the bluetooth rs232 module I mean
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:03:03 < FreezingCold> you bet
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:03:35 < FreezingCold> hc-06 because it's $3.50 instead of $4
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:04:09 < Kevin`> the console data, I assume? otherwise you'd just use a bluetooth module in each computer
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:04:21 < metacollin> I have a number of them, aren’t they awesome? I mean, I am really amazed how well they work considering how cheap they are
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:04:37 < FreezingCold> Kevin`: lol what I currently have setup is completely pointless
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:04:39 < FreezingCold> it's just for a test
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:04:57 < FreezingCold> hey I wonder how this android app knows what baud rate to use?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:06:10 < metacollin> I’ve seen that one, I remember it being one of my favorites actually
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:06:25 < FreezingCold> I bricked my first HC-06 by setting the baud rate too high :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:06:28 < metacollin> I bet the set designers hated it though haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:06:49 < ossifrage> I would love for the folks doing Games of Thrones to do a Startrek reboot....
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:07:16 < ossifrage> Think of all the redshirts and their timely demise (at least one per episode)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:08:42 < metacollin> Really? I didn’t think you could brick them.  You can force them to boot up (or whatever) in command mode at a hardcoded baudrate, 57600 I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:09:08 < FreezingCold> How? I tried resetting it a million times and the baud rate was always saved
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:09:22 < FreezingCold> the default baud rate is 9600 from the factory btw, doesn't really matter though
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:09:25 < metacollin> One sec, lemme find the page
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:13:08 < FreezingCold> I tried a bunch of things with no luck
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:14:41 < metacollin> Well, I mean, you can always just reflash the firmware (including turn it into a full hc-05 which has a much richer set of features, can be master or slave, etc).  But I *think* you can toggle some line low or high or have it pulled low or high as you power it on or something, and it will ignore the user set baud rate and use 9600.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:15:01 < FreezingCold> I thought it was soldered differently than a hc-05?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:15:02 < ossifrage> With something like that you would think they would just implement autobaud and be done with it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:15:16 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: doesn't sound the most reliable
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:15:43 < metacollin> ossifrage, for $3 a module, I really don’t have expectations for anything ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:15:51 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, yeah autobaud can suck on reset depending on order of operations
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:15:53 < metacollin> I bought a bunch of HC-06s and flashed them to HC-05s. They’re identical physically
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:15:58 < metacollin> just different firmware
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:16:02 < FreezingCold> woah that's fucking cool
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:16:07 < FreezingCold> did you blog about it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:16:11 < FreezingCold> send it to hackaday
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:16:44 < FreezingCold> metacollin: I don't have a parallel programmer, how did you do it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:16:53 < metacollin> http://byron76.blogspot.com/2011/09/i-hope-you-have-good-time-soldering.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:17:02 < FreezingCold> oh, you
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:17:04 < FreezingCold> you're robin?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:17:07 < metacollin> no no
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:17:17 < metacollin> that’s the thing I read to do it =P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:17:41 < FreezingCold> you used a parallel port?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:19:11 < metacollin> Yeah, though I had to do it on Keanu, my server.  It’s some older socket AM2 AMD motherboard that has a parallel port
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:20:33 < FreezingCold> I wonder why they don't program them all to HC-05
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:22:10 < metacollin> I wonder about stuff like that too.  Its not just these.  I mean, there are lots of much more significant products (like oscilloscopes etc) that come in several variations of a model, with 3 digit sums of dollars difference in price between them, and the only difference is software.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:22:14 < sabotender> moo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:22:23 < anic_> dumass sabotender
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:22:46 < FreezingCold> metacollin: silly question, can SPI be protected?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:22:49 < dhrosa> it's probably so they can sell it for multiple markets?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:22:50 < sabotender> ah i love grocery runs in the middle of the night. practically empty
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:22:54 < dhrosa> FreezingCold: what do you mean protected?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:23:02 < metacollin> what do you mean by protected?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:23:06 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: well.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:23:13 < FreezingCold> the firmware needs some weird software to flash
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:23:15 < FreezingCold> but it's just SPI
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:23:41 < dhrosa> you could use a bus sniffer and see what it is?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:23:45 < jpa-> sure, you can pass encrypted data on SPI?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:23:56 < FreezingCold> jpa-: I meant if I can dump it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:24:15 < dhrosa> they probably don't go through the trouble of encrypting stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:24:48 < metacollin> SPI is just a protocol to send bytes, its just the medium for communication, it doesn’t help at all with what you actually say over it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:24:52 < FreezingCold> metacollin: did you bother with the data extraction?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:25:15 < FreezingCold> hmm, it might just be easier to get a parallel port
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:26:33 < ossifrage> You would think a little use of OTP fuses would make it much harder for people to just replace the firmware to get new functionality
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:26:39 < metacollin> I mean, you could sniff the spi, but it would be way more work than creating an account on their website and just downloading the thing hehe
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:27:08 < davidc__> There are devices which can do 'secure boot', and some of which can boot from SPI flashes
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:27:20 < FreezingCold> metacollin: I'm googling now, where the link?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:27:24 < ossifrage> FPGAs with signed bitstreams
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:28:17 < metacollin> Plus, you don’t have to encrypt anything.  You can make a part only flash firmware that has a valid digital signature, and boom, your SOL unless you have the private key to sign your own firmware (or use a program from the manufacturer that signs the firmware as part of the upload process)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:29:07 < FreezingCold> http://pfalcon-oe.blogspot.ca/2012/04/opensource-sensor-node-firmware-for.html
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:29:23 < jpa-> most manufacturers want protection both against "tampering" (replacing the fw on a device you own) and reverse-engineering (getting hold of the firmware)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:29:24 < ossifrage> metacollin, but that functionality has to be in ROM to be useful and developing ROM firmware like that is expensive
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:29:48 < FreezingCold> metacollin: could you DCC me the program?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:31:04 < FreezingCold> oh, it's a windows program too
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:31:10 < ossifrage> Often the presence of a rom bootloader make reverse engineering
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:34:38 < FreezingCold> metacollin: you didn't install bluecrap  in a VM by any chance, did you?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:35:58 < metacollin> http://electropi.mp/bluesuite24.zip
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:36:42 < metacollin> Naw, I actually installed windows on a parition on the comp with the parallell port pretty much entirely to flash these hehe
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:14 < FreezingCold> noice!
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:17 < FreezingCold> thank you
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:37:17 < metacollin> er wait, I think I had XP on a partition already, to unbrick an lg phone. Yeah, now I eremember
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:30 < FreezingCold> what's up with these __MAXOSX folders?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:34 < FreezingCold> you're not a...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:38 < FreezingCold> no...
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:39 < FreezingCold> you can't be...
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:37:41 < metacollin> I’m a unix using bad mother fucker
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:37:45 < metacollin> (OS X)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:37:48 < metacollin> and FreebSD
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:48 < FreezingCold> 0.0
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:37:55  * FreezingCold faints in horror
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:37:59 < metacollin> none of that linux shit.  Linux is for twats
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:38:01 < metacollin> kidding
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:38:31 < metacollin> but seriously, unix is better ;).  My god, the linux kernel is a nightmare
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:38:41 < metacollin> shit, I just opened pandora’s box/can of worms from hell
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:38:48 < metacollin> It’s just my opinion/preference
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:38:53 < metacollin> not a big deal
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:39:07 < FreezingCold> metacollin: so I guess the way I bricked it was because the baud rate is set in the SPI flash
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:39:12 < FreezingCold> and you can't reset it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:39:16 < FreezingCold> without reburning the firmware
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:39:21 < metacollin> bummer
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:39:29 < FreezingCold> brb looking for computers in my house
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:39:49 < metacollin> Well, I mean, I guess the question is, how bad do you want to unbrick something that cost $3?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:40:30 < FreezingCold> hush
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:40:32 < FreezingCold> no logic allowed
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:41:05 < OoTLink> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:41:14  * OoTLink is happy with all of the above when it comes to OSes
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:43:00 < FreezingCold> well, I also wanna get the hc-05 firmware on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:43:06 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, my old dell has a parallel port
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:43:08 < FreezingCold> I never knew that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:44:13 < metacollin> I have serious ethical objections to the GPL and tools/software licensed under it, so try to avoid them whenever possible.  But otherwise, I am perfectly fine with any OS
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:44:34 < FreezingCold> hmm, can vbox do lpt passthrough?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:44:47 < dhrosa> wee, time to try soldering to a lithium ion cell
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:45:17 < metacollin> So like I would use proprietary, closed source stuff if that was an option over fascist  GPL bullshit any day.  But I really prefer to stick with BSD/MIT/Creative Commons stuff as much as possible
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:45:39 < sabotender> whats up, FreezingCold?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:45:41 < metacollin> FreezingCold: I really doubt it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:45:50 < metacollin> but I don’t know for sure
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:45:54 < FreezingCold> metacollin: damn it, only for windows hosts
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:45:54 < FreezingCold> as if
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:46:04 < FreezingCold> this is the first time in awhile I've seen a windows only thing :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:46:08 < FreezingCold> sabotender: just hacking around
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:13 < ossifrage> metacollin, I don't see how you can actually avoid the GPL, pretty much every product you have has GPL code in it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:15 < sabotender> liez WINE :-P
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:46:32 < FreezingCold> sabotender: I don't think wine would work with this
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:46:40 < FreezingCold> but good idea, I will check
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:42 < metacollin> FreeBSD does not have GPL code in it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:49 < metacollin> Clang/LLVM is GPL free
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:49 < sabotender> very few apps will refuse to run under wine these days
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:46:58 < metacollin> openssh/openssl, GPL free
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:06 < metacollin> I mean, what else do you need?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:12 < metacollin> (I’m joking)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:47:14 < FreezingCold> sabotender: oh right, wine does allow lpt redirection
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:17 < intranick> GNU would be sooo much better without stallman
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:20 < intranick> i hate that motherfucker
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:47:22 < FreezingCold> likewise
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:23 < metacollin> Fuck stallman
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:24 < intranick> with a living pssion
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:30 < metacollin> dude high five
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:35 < intranick> i hate him worse than i hate bill gates.  and i dont care for gates.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:47:40 < FreezingCold> stallman needs to get laid
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:44 < ss23> He be crazy :O
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:47:48 < FreezingCold> at least we know bill gates has gotten laid at least twice
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:48 < intranick> he needs to stop being a fucking fat ass!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:53 < ossifrage> Meliorate, maybe a FreeBSD kernel doesn't but I bet there is a ton of GPL code in the full OS
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:54 < intranick> he's a fat fuck that has too much money for nothing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:47:57 < intranick> and thinks he's top shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:01 < ss23> If for no other reason than to get nicer code
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:03 < sabotender> intranick: really? why? Gates is a philanthropist
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:48:07 < FreezingCold> oh sorry, bill gates has gotten laid at least three times
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:48:15 < FreezingCold> I noticed he has a third child
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:48:17 < intranick> true FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:29 < ossifrage> they don't have to be his ;-p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:29 < intranick> sabotender: gates himself isnt bad, his company makes a shitty product tho
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:29 < dhrosa> woo, I've successfully tinned a cell, and it wasn't  terrifying!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:42 < sabotender> for some time, I thought Gates was a closet homosexual, but then I saw the kids
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:48:46 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:53 < sabotender> ...not that there's anything wrong with being homosexual :-P
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:48:53 < FreezingCold> na, gates seems pretty straight
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:56 < metacollin> I love how his “Free” software foundation, its license, has the word “Free” in it like 43 times, despite being a huge list of restrictions.  The “free” software foundaiton sues people for license violations.  I’m sorry, but free means unrestricted.  Which is not what the GPL is.  It’s free kind of like how if you’re not something, you say you are a whole lot, like free in Free Software Foundation or republi
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:48:57 < metacollin> People’s Republic of China
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:49:03 < FreezingCold> stallman is a textbook neckbeard
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:15 < intranick> gates wife was hot as shit at one point
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:19 < ss23> GPL is a cancer! :O
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:49:21 < FreezingCold> metacollin: you'd probably like the LGPL more
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:49:22 < intranick> FreezingCold: so true!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:37 < intranick> GPL kinda abandoned everything it stood for
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:43 < sabotender> I remember that his wife wanted an iphone, but Gates pulled a hissy fit and wouldn't allow it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:51 < intranick> and when they tried to peg GNU onto the name Linux i about lost it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:49:52 < sabotender> heh even she hates windows based phones
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:50:00 < intranick> thats when i knew stallman was just another fucking rich boy with a neckbeard
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:50:45 < sabotender> intranick: when you have as much money as Gates does, you can AFFORD to have a hot wife.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:50:55 < FreezingCold> I think women see iphones like jewelry?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:50:55 < intranick> sabotender: ROFL
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:51:07 < intranick> FreezingCold: thats all iphone is good for is a fancy piece of jewlery
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:51:08 < FreezingCold> sabotender: she's not ugly, but she's not hot
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:51:26 < FreezingCold> like I would probably bang her if she was 20 years younger
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:28 < sabotender> I highly doubt she married him for HIS looks, as he isn't attractive at all, even when he was younger
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:30 < intranick> i cant say too much about gates, he supported charter schools
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:51:31 < FreezingCold> but wouldn't pay for it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:34 < intranick> i love the charter school concept
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:36 < dhrosa> I'm on the CSAIL mailing list (mit research group), I get richard  stallman emails everyday, they're pretty hilarious
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:46 < intranick> ... project based out of the box learning, individuality over sardines in a fucking can
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:52 < dhrosa> s
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:51:54 < intranick> .... i went to a charter school in highschool
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:52:15 < metacollin> I mean, I understand the logic behind it, but the backlash has caused any sort of commercial support of GPL stuff to die off, to the point that an entire toolchain, LLVM, was made by a coalition of large private, for-profit companies entirely so there was a non-GPL toolchain, and made it free, open source, and released under the BSD license.  LLVM, of course, largely developed by Apple and Google
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:52:23 < FreezingCold> sabotender: GATES?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:52:25 < FreezingCold> sorry caplocks
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:52:42 < speak> I'm a bit uneducated on the matter, why all the Stallman and GNU hate?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:52:52 < FreezingCold> metacollin: so I haven't bothered writing anything worthy of caring about, but sell me on BSD vs LGPL :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:53:07 < speak> Because of GPL?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:53:33 < FreezingCold> because he's a fucking loser
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:53:50 < FreezingCold> and makes the open source world look bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:53:54 < sabotender> FreezingCold: yeah, Gates is actually one of the moderately GOOD wealthy people
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:00 < sabotender> Oprah is another
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:54:06 < FreezingCold> lol oprah
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:54:08 < FreezingCold> I dunno
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:54:14 < FreezingCold> she seems like she's just in it for the money
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:22 < ss23> speak: Kind of different (though related) issues. GPL is stupid because it's a licence that's anti-freedom. Stallman is hated because it's a) crazy and b) hurting software more than helping. GNU is hated mainly because of the bad code quality and archacic ways of doing things
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:54:24 < FreezingCold> and she gives stupid advice to people who believe her
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:31 < ss23> At least, that is how I would sum it up, maybe incorrectly
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:35 < sabotender> compated to the Coke (sp) brothers?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:43 < metacollin> And the biggest open source hardess there is,  Theo de Raadt (guy in charge of openbsd) has said companies always give back to the open source community when you license stuff under BSD stuff, and there has never been any of the problems that stallman kind of understandibly assumed would happen.  Basically people aren’t as big of dicks as stallman thought they were and so the GPL is unecessary and kind of just bullying wit
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:49 < Viper168_> gates, through microsoft has fucked so manty people over
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:54:52 < Viper168_> *many
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:54:53 < FreezingCold> sabotender: at least they don't pretend they aren't in it for the money
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:55:05 < speak> ss23: Cool. thank you
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:55:09 < Viper168_> even if he does some good, it doesn;t undo the lives he has messed up
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:55:21 < ss23> metacollin: Cut off at kind of just bullying wit
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:55:28 < sabotender> FreezingCold: that's why i added the word 'moderatively', as they all do crappety crap crap things every once in a while
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:55:34 < metacollin> crap
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:55:37 < metacollin> with copyright
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:55:56 < FreezingCold> interesting, blueflashcmd seems to work
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:56:03 < FreezingCold> err:winedevice:ServiceMain driver L"Parspi" failed to load
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:56:07 < FreezingCold> that does worry me a little
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:56:34 < speak> I do hate "info" with a passion over "man" :P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:56:49 < FreezingCold> man seems okay to me?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:57:12 < ss23> Information wants to be free!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:57:12 < speak> Oops maybe my English failed me there, what I'm trying to say is that man rocks, and info sucks donkeys
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:57:43 < FreezingCold> oh yeah I see what you mean now
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:57:48 < FreezingCold> it could go either way with the first way you typed it
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:58:13 < metacollin> BSD/MIT license grants anyone permission to do anything they want with the code, including change it, use it in a closed source program, sell it, it doesn’t matter.  They just can’t claim they wrote the original code, and it also has a second clause about how there is no warranty and the copyright holder is not responsible for anything blah blah
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:58:34 < sabotender> man page?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:58:41 < sabotender> sorry, i lost the context
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:58:52 < FreezingCold> sabotender: man man
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:58:54 < FreezingCold> man info
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:59:03 < sabotender> ah
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:59:04 < metacollin> man woman
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:59:07 < FreezingCold> or info info
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:59:08 < FreezingCold> info man
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T09:59:09 < sabotender> O_o
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:59:10 < FreezingCold> if you'd prefer
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:59:28 < FreezingCold> but sabotender has said he prefers man man and man info
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T09:59:34 < FreezingCold> :>
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:00:12 < sabotender> actually I perfer man (me) woman :-P
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:00:27 < FreezingCold> or man man women?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:00:36 < sabotender> yeppers
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:00:39 < Miyu> o.o
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:00:40 < FreezingCold> you probably meant (me) women
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:00:41 < speak> metacollin: Got to say the BSD/MIT license sounds mighty good
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:00:45 < FreezingCold> hahaha
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:00:55 < FreezingCold> sabotender enjoys his devil's threesomes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:37:16 < Kevin`> shouldn't, the voltage difference is too low to make sparks
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:37:26 < dhrosa> okay
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:38:30 < FreezingCold> metacollin: haha, CSR wants $250 for their USB SPI programmer
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:38:42 < metacollin> yeah, I saw that too
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:39:15 < metacollin> ohsix, I was talking about menuconfig which I thought was included with the kernel source
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:39:18 < ohsix> 23:38 < metacollin> not a big deal
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:44:01 < metacollin> But I mean, still Kconfig…I don’t undertstand why there is anything beyond a simple .conf that is just a list of constants that can be passed to make.  That’s what the *BSD kernels are, and every single module, option, parameter, etc is thoroughly documented in one man page entry, and everything is consistent and logical.
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:02 < FreezingCold> see this cable?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:02 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/S1-E-PCI-Slot-Header-Serial-DB9-Pin-COM-with-Parallel-DB25-Pin-LPT-Cable-Bracket-/141129811659?pt=US_Internal_Port_Expansion_Cards&hash=item20dbfe06cb
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:10 < FreezingCold> see the 2.54mm or whatever pinout?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:26 < FreezingCold> What's the spreader called that makes the pins two rows apart so they fit in a breadboard?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:44:29 < ohsix> muh freedoms
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:32 < FreezingCold> I used to have one, but I fucking sold it yesterday
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:44:33 < FreezingCold> gah
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:45:00 < Kevin`> metacollin: you can use it like that, if you are insane or want to change a specific thing quickly. the dependency handling and built-in documentation is nice though
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:45:04 < Boohbah> metacollin: and that is why bsd supports a fraction of the hardware that linux does
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:45:35 < metacollin> my point is linux was written by indedependant contributors instead of a team of developers in close contact and discussion and plan together/etc, and so there is a quality-compatibility trade off.  Linux has way more things and works with way more hardware.  FreeBSD has a relatively tiny slice of supported hardware, but man, is that a nice kernel.
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:45:49 < metacollin> Debian even has a distro of itself that is debian, but running on the freebsd kernel
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:45:56 < nnumerals> write your own support
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:46:03 < nnumerals> or get out of that sector
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:05 < FreezingCold> it's not called a pin spreader
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:08 < FreezingCold> bahhh
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:12 < FreezingCold> what's the little fucker called?!
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:46:22 < ohsix> intranick: nobody is trying to take peoples work, before android you could say that it wasn't true for approximately no existing systems, and they still built it with gcc
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:46:24 < nnumerals> you shouldn't be using it if you can't do what you want with it
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:37 < FreezingCold> I know what I want to do with it, I used to have one :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:42 < FreezingCold> I just don't know what it's called
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:46:42 < metacollin> Boohbah, it’s true.  It’s quality vs. quantity.  I use hardware that freebsd supports, so in my case, I go with quality
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:46:47 < FreezingCold> it's a breakout I guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:46:54 < metacollin> but thats my situation
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:47:33 < ohsix> while you sow some more 00:09 < metacollin> and as you can imagine, that is just one huge clusterfuck of confusion
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:48:27 < metacollin> what do you mean?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:48:54 < metacollin> I am not trying to confuse anyone but apologies if thats what I am doing =(
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:48:59 < metacollin> nvm I need to STFU anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:49:05 < FreezingCold> metacollin: so it's a row of double stacked 13 pins right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:49:15 < FreezingCold> I need to add more space cause otherwise my breadboard will short it ouit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:49:39 < Boohbah> "I would imagine that the windows kernel is significantly better than the linux kernel"
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:49:45 < FreezingCold> hehehe
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:49:47 < Boohbah> metacollin: troll harder noob
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:50:21 < metacollin> Um, that’s an opinion, and perfectly valid one, and uh, how is that trolling?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:57:05 < Kevin`> that's not something that requires speculation
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:57:11 < Kevin`> stability is user-visible
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:57:21 < FreezingCold> oh, what do you know, my gpg subkey expired last week
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:57:26 < FreezingCold> can't believe it's been a year already
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:58:05 < metacollin> Is that seriously all it takes to get a stick up all your asses? Come on, get past the level of a kid that gets angry when other people don’t like the exact same things as they do, FFS.  =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:58:24 < ohsix> http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/GNU a lot of this stuff is system software you would need to have or write an equivalent for, and almost _all_ of the system stuff is considered a de-facto part of the platform
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:58:46 < ossifrage> Why don't we talk about net neutrality, that should be something we can agree on (sic)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:58:48 < ohsix> metacollin: implying that is the only reason people respond?
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:59:00 < Engen> ossifrage: you're not going to have a 'fun' time with electronics then if you base 'fun' on symmetry of pin distribution
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T10:59:01 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: that sounds pointless
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:59:01 < nnumerals> net neutrality is over
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T10:59:06 < nnumerals> all the companies are buying each other
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:03:09 < tinystoat> well it was interesting whilst it lasted :)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-21T11:03:55 < FreezingCold> huh, this is the first time I've ever forgotten to renew my key chain before it expired
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T11:04:01 < FreezingCold> not a big deal, I rarely use it anyway
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:05:14 < evilbetty> its a beatiful day here :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:05:31 < evilbetty> a kid hit on the head with a plank with nails, and a guy tortured with a hot bbq fork :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:20:35 < ohsix> metacollin: i wasn't referring to the kernel itself, though, just the software i would have to replace wrt what intranick was saying about 'GNU/Linux'
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:20:52 < metacollin> I never claimed anything was or wasn’t woprk
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:20:54 < tinystoat> evilbetty: try to get them to simply wash their hands after using the bathroom ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T11:20:56 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/26-Pin-Extension-Board-Module-Expansion-for-Raspberry-Pi-extension-board-/181405501744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a3c9c4930
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T11:21:01 < FreezingCold> i'm looking for that, but cheaper
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:21:05 < evilbetty> that would be a good start
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:21:23 < metacollin> and my or anyone elses agreement or disagreement is irrelevant
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:21:34 < evilbetty> i wash my hands every time, and i never had to tap my kayboard upside down in the almoqt 10y i work here
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:23:51 < ohsix> metacollin: this was done at length, though you did qualify it as opinion 01:21 < metacollin> and my or anyone elses agreement or disagreement is irrelevant
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:24:02 < metacollin> I said the word ‘work’ like, ‘a work’, as in something someoen creates is ‘a work’, like the mona lissa or some code .
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:24:11 < tinystoat> ohsix: you know people stopped talking about this ages ago why did you dredge it back up? :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-21T11:24:15 < FreezingCold> metacollin: it's called IDC (26 pin)
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:24:27 < ohsix> tinystoat: i went to read it when i said i needed to :]
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:24:30 < metacollin> ohsix: metacollin: that is the definition of duplication of effort, you don't get to claim that it's not work if it is work you prefer or agree with
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:24:42 < ohsix> 01:19 < metacollin> duplication of effort initially, I should have qualified stuff and said things in a far too general/sweeping manner.  alternatives are certainly not duplication of effort, unless they offer no
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:41:44 < metacollin> I honestly thought I knew it correctly, and I am not sure how I got it so switched around, but yeah, whoops
2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:42:11 < ohsix> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Unix_history-simple.en.svg this isn't the one i was thinking of, but look at the legend for the orange nodes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:42:40 < ohsix> the source was available, generally, and passed around universities liberally
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2014-05.log-2014-05-21T11:42:56 < ohsix> so you could write drivers and stuff
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:13:04 < FreezingCold> metacollin: I know you're not here but I wanted to mention something else about GPL
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:13:06 < FreezingCold> If I write my own code and release it for free, I stand more to gain by releasing it GPL
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:13:44 < FreezingCold> because if a commercial solution picks it up, there's a pretty good chance they'll legally have to give me their improvements
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:40:22 < LeelooMinai> Then you will probably pay x10
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:40:35 < TheLoneMilkMan> I turned this project into a school project so I need it done by the beginning of June
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:40:36 < FreezingCold> I should build a CNC machine this summer
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:40:49 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: how much is your build costing you?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:41:06 < TheLoneMilkMan> I think I'll just look for screws then
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:41:41 < TheLoneMilkMan> A thermal pad doesn't seem neccasirly. I've talked to someone who's used the lights I used and they've had them running for years without one
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:41:54 < TheLoneMilkMan> *necessary
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:42:02 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: I did not keep track of prices, but I think frame material, e, maybe $500, screws and crap $100, ballscrew and rail set maybe $400, and drivers, I don't know, maybe $100 and PSU. I guess <$1500 or so
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:42:16 < FreezingCold> Hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:42:26 < FreezingCold> That's more than I thought tbh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:42:51 < LeelooMinai> Well, you can go cheaper, but it won't be that nice:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:43:04 < FreezingCold> How'd the frame cost so much?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:43:24 < LeelooMinai> Tons of aluminum basically
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:43:41 < LeelooMinai> Plates, etc. - it's not exactly cheap
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:44:03 < LeelooMinai> You can skimp of this, but rigidity will suffer, and I said no:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:44:08 < LeelooMinai> on*
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:44:43 < FreezingCold> I heard using a concrete frame isn't a bad idea
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:44:46 < FreezingCold> never seen it done though
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:45:11 < LeelooMinai> E, concrete frame... What are you building an insustrial-size machine?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:45:14 < TheLoneMilkMan> I've finally completed wh
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:45:22 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: sure :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:45:29 < FreezingCold> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/mechanical-calculations-engineering-design/73940-portland-cement-concrete-machine-base-post576401.html#post576401
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:45:31 < TheLoneMilkMan> Ahh. IRC on phones is not nice
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:45:39 < FreezingCold> TheLoneMilkMan: get a keyboard like a sane person?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:45:46 < FreezingCold> I bought a bluetooth keyboard just for that
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:46:11 < theBear> TheLoneMilkMan, all depends how very boring your on-location work for that day is :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:46:31 < theBear> FreezingCold, oooh nice, you get 'netbook size' or real-size keyboard ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:46:32 < TheLoneMilkMan> Oh hmm never thought of that. Idk I don't use it too much
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:46:38 < Polesch> What's the possiblity that someone might tap into the keyboard bluetooth signal and decode your keystrokes?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:46:45 < theBear> TheLoneMilkMan, me neither, but on that RARE occasion it's a lifesaver :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:46:45 < TheLoneMilkMan> I should get one of those laser keyboards
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:46:50 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: This looks nice, but I think you will spend a lot of time on getting the tech to mold this thing to a reasonable state.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:46:54 < FreezingCold> theBear: it's meant for an Apple iMac, so it's pretty much full size
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:47:01 < FreezingCold> theBear: hold on, picture
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:47:28 < theBear> Polesch, probly depends on the specific implementation... 'raw' bluetooth sniffers aren't common or even uncommon afaik, and all that car-whisperer stuff (look it up if you don't know, kinda cool) is about VERY poor implementation
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:47:30 < theBear> s
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:47:38 < theBear> FreezingCold, oh of course, standard mac keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:47:50 < theBear> well standard some-kinda-mac... i remember seeing them years ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:47:57 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Also, I kind of wonder how the table is moved...
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:48:08 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: it isn't
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:48:14 < LeelooMinai> Sure it is...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:48:20 < LeelooMinai> It has rails...
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:48:33 < FreezingCold> haha I know, he's using a massive 1kW motor
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:48:36 < FreezingCold> or claiming he will anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:48:42 < LeelooMinai> Ok, but whre is it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:48:50 < theBear> i been considering a keybaord recently, and if i could ever give up having a 'fullsize' qwerty/slide actually in my phone (really narrows choices for upgrades :) recently, thus also wondering if a fullsize 'backpackable' keyboard is a good idea, or a smaller maybe large-pocker size one
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:07 < FreezingCold> theBear: https://i.imgur.com/Fg49Val.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:14 < FreezingCold> theBear: full size
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:49:25 < theBear> which leads to 'hmm, made my first usb-otg cable the other day, if i got a backpack/room i can always use a normal cheap usb keyboard thru that'
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:33 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: The frame looks cute, but this picture is missing a lot drive-related components
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:38 < FreezingCold> IMO the apple one is the best
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:43 < FreezingCold> because it's decently priced used
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:49:46 < theBear> ooh fullsize mines numpad, that's kinda cool
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:49:47 < FreezingCold> I think I paid $30 for mine?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:50:01 < FreezingCold> theBear: meh, I wouldn't get a numpad for a bluetooth keyboard
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:50:10 < Firehopper> http://shop.evilmadscientist.com/productsmenu/tinykitlist/652 < I want one of these
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:50:34 < LeelooMinai> Dave once got one I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:50:36 < FreezingCold> meh, not a fan of 555s
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:50:37 < theBear> sounds likely... mass production is good for cheapness... not like those little phone-aimed tiny and/or foldup ones that maybe sell a few thousand internationally (or whatever a really tiny number is in this kinda area)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:50:50 < FreezingCold> theBear: the tiny phone ones are unusable
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:50:54 < theBear> FreezingCold, indeed, jsut when i think of 'desktop' keyboards i think of the extra bit on the right end
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:50:55 < LeelooMinai> I remember him unpacking this 55 timer
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:51:14 < FreezingCold> 555*
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:51:19 < FreezingCold> ;)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:51:54 < theBear> FreezingCold, mmm, for anything i can't do with thumbs on my actual phone (assuming i don't move on from built in hw keyboard) it's probly gonna be tricky/annoying on even a netbook sized keyboard.. hmmm, i bet that apple one is real thin too, and some kinda cool feeling hi tech metal
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:52:06 < FreezingCold> it is indeed :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:52:28 < FreezingCold> it doesn't scream "fucking loser" in public either which is a plus
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:52:29 < theBear> i'm not huge on 555's 'cos i haven't played enough to know them from memory and have to do maths and lookup pinouts etc, but that ain't gonna stop me using one later today :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:52:37  * LeelooMinai got TI ad about their new fastest ADC - the IC is close to $400 though:p
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:52:46 < theBear> lol, and err, what bluetooth peripherals DO scream that in public ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:53:09 < FreezingCold> theBear: well, I assume if I bought my Das with an OTG cable t would scream that
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:53:24 < theBear> ahh :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:53:58 < FreezingCold> For CNC milling, is a magnetic clamp a bad idea?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:54:08 < FreezingCold> /s/clamp/vice
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:54:22 < FreezingCold> /s/vice/vise
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:54:41 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: If you have a steel table...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:54:55 < LeelooMinai> If it's alu - you are sol:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:55:19 < FreezingCold> you'd attach the vise with screws or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:55:34 < LeelooMinai> Sometimes they use holes, sometimes t-channels
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:55:36 < FreezingCold> http://www.earthchain.com/images/eet-z.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:55:37 < theBear> hmm, if anyone ever finds themselves very annoyed at some default or missed tickbox that lands all their personal phone contacts on some gmail account, "Contact Remover Plus" is a free (android) app that makes it VERY easy to identify and move back/around-between-contact-storage-options-currently-available (ie. sim/phone memory/whatever else might be setup for sync/acct) ...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:55:46 < theBear> that's my tip for thismorning
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:56:07 < FreezingCold> theBear: my fucking windows phone won't sync google contacts
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:56:13 < FreezingCold> I have to manually export them
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:57:10 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: stupid moment, I guess this really limits on what you can machine out lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:57:47 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Machinists use this kind of clamp sets often: http://i.imgur.com/au0xzhM.png
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:57:54 < theBear> that's a bit rough, been a few years since my last windows phone (first droid/first new phone since '03 <grin>) but i ended up paying 5 or 10 bucks for err, pfft, some little set of app/executables (maybe win + droid or winmobile + droid or whatever) that made everything go smoothly, but no remote options... can lookup the name if ya want, from memory they had a few handy things along those lines over the years
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:58:17 < FreezingCold> na, I don't like adding all these hacky apps
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:58:17 < LeelooMinai> They have clamps that look like stairs on the end - you canuse those to clamp on different heights
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:58:31 < FreezingCold> I rooted/jailbroke/whatever the hell my WP7 to get WP7.8
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:58:42 < theBear> still, i'd rather manual export than finding some inconspicuous looking action or reboot or sync has landed a whole bunch of stuff i don't trust to be stored elsewhere
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:58:51 < LeelooMinai> The set is not too expensive from KBC - I thought maybe using that, but that means holes in the plate
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:59:07 < theBear> i'm not overly paranoid or anti-google, but at the same time, IF google does leak in any way, there are some things i rather keep to myself
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:59:13 < LeelooMinai> Or t-slots
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:59:21 < FreezingCold> theBear: Google already has everyone GPS'd
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:59:40 < theBear> heh, last winmobile i ever used was 2005, but mostly 2002/2003/2003se(MUCH better than the previous 2)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T00:59:47 < LeelooMinai> Like in The Person of Interest
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T00:59:53 < FreezingCold> pretty much
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:00:03 < FreezingCold> at least google uses the info for good like tracking traffic
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:00:48 < theBear> FreezingCold, mmmm, and i got mixed feelings on that one... i like the idea of ssid <> location to do quick-assists for location-finding (rather than waiting for a gps to initial--sync on a slow/bad day) but i don't really like the idea of that information being publically available/accessible
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:01:24 < FreezingCold> one phone sending data doesn't give public information, it's a cluster that does
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:01:29 < FreezingCold> the cluster info is public
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:01:39 < theBear> FreezingCold, afawk they do, but aside from the foilhat ravers out in webland, ever since i saw how willingly google helps chinese govt control things i kinda been a bit wary
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:01:45 < LeelooMinai> There always be someone who will be able to access it - just a matter of how much money they have
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:01:57 < FreezingCold> not really about money
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:02:04 < FreezingCold> police forces can do it to
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:02:18 < FreezingCold> though that's only the RCMP/FBI that does
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:02:18 < LeelooMinai> Yes, I mean besides people that have that access by law
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:02:31 < FreezingCold> local police are pretty incompetent
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:02:34 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, but being a bit sneaky, maybe a custom/fake client, definately with some wardriving and spreadsheets, people have a much better chance, if not definate way, of finding the physical location of an ip
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:02:35 < FreezingCold> tech wise anyway
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:03:11 < LeelooMinai> They can drive cars though, in most cases:)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:03:22 < FreezingCold> theBear: you can probably already calculate the location just by pinging and knowing which towers give out which subnets
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:03:50 < FreezingCold> would give you a pretty large range, but still
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:03:59 < theBear> also localised (and most in general recently) search results bug me, i think i should get basically the same results as i did a year or 2 ago for a given search phrase/terms, and that someone on the other side of the country or world should be able to do the same
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:04:12 < FreezingCold> you could create a fake BTS in the location and try to use that to pin point the phone after
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:04:37 < theBear> FreezingCold, i mean more like my public ip like i use right now to talk to you, and to serve various things, being more easily trackable to my actual address/server location
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:04:38 < GyrosGeier> so
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:04:41 < GyrosGeier> parts ordered
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:04:51 < GyrosGeier> tomorrow, learning to solder
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:05:06  * GyrosGeier shivers with antici-
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:05:30 < GyrosGeier> -pation.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:05:32 < FreezingCold> theBear: same. The method I'm saying is that I go to your city, wardrive to see what IPs are given out where, see which BTS you're most likely connecting from, create a fake BTS, convince your phone to hop to mine, play a game of "hot or cold" and find you
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:05:34 < theBear> i assume that side of things (the 2nd tick in most android gps settings page,) is a kinda cache of gps-location vs currently visible/connected wifi networks
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:06:04 < theBear> FreezingCold, i ain't saying that won't work, just that what 'worries' me is the 'opposite'
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T01:06:22 < FreezingCold> well yeah, it'd probably be easier and way cheaper to dox you
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T01:06:43 < theBear> also i kinda guess/assume that included in that caching i just described, would be a link between my wifi (lan) ssid and my public ip
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:25:00 < theBear> and while we asking what people think words mean, "that's totally pants !"  silly saying in some circles, mostly british-rooted ones, positive or negative ? (i know, but ya gotta admit, it could go either way, or sound wrong eitehr way, i mean, pants ? pfft)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:25:37  * theBear hums the robocop "time to get serious" theme
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:27:30 < Jan-> I'm looking forwar dto "guardians of the galaxy"
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:27:32 < Jan-> it sounds like a grin
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:28:05 < theBear> mmk, i'll keep my eyes open... i don't know about any current/'pop culture' or movies or stuff :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:40:45 < R0b0t1> theBear: That's a neat solution.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:40:50 < R0b0t1> Probably, you know, not the best way
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:40:52 < R0b0t1> but cool.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:41:14 < theBear> ooh, shops just opened, payday today, i'm sure a decent meal will send me to sleep, only had 'instant noodles' last day and a half and as usual, when i'm a bit (more than usual) underfed i get movie-strength insomnia.. dozed on and off last couple nights, but probly just under half as much as one should sleep, and being in and out likely not even all of that time was 'good' sleep
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:41:17 < R0b0t1> The two-ammeter one
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T02:41:20 < theBear> which is a neat solution ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T03:49:49 < ohsix> kickers2: you use it the exact same way in a circuit as in that diagram
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T03:50:46 < LeelooMinai> kickers2: You should use op-amp instead, to have linear control over this
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T03:50:56 < FreezingCold> ahhh, how I love having an .edu email address
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T03:51:01 < ohsix> LeelooMinai: we're all on the same page with v=i*r right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T03:51:48 < ohsix> you could instead, tell him how the linear region is only part of the operating region of the mosfet
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:11:37 < FreezingCold> hjf: I'm liking it man!
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:11:47 < FreezingCold> hjf: if you don't mind me asking, how much did you get paid?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:13:12 < jaxdahl3> hjf, will it get UL certified like mine?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:13:45 < ohsix> will it get buns
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:14:42 < sabotender> i thought it was difficult to get something UL certiied?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:14:56 < ohsix> it costs money.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:15:04 < FreezingCold> What
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:15:08 < FreezingCold> What's UL?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:15:08 < jaxdahl3> sabotender, not that hard for an industrial control panel
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:15:16 < ohsix> underwriters laboratories
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:15:26 < ohsix> trade mark for certification
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:15:39 < jaxdahl3> use only UL parts, follow some guidelines and have an inspector come by and check it out and put a sticker on
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:15:42 < hjf> FreezingCold: $850
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:16:07 < FreezingCold> hjf: Is that a lot compared to the local currency?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:16:08 < FreezingCold> seems kinda low
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:16:20 < sabotender> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UL_%28safety_organization%29
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:16:24 < hjf> FreezingCold: that's more than 2x the average salary and 4x the minimum salary
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:16:45 < jaxdahl3> UL 508A
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:24:54 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: It is not wrong
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:25:02 < anic_> upgrdman: isn't DC resistance already described in Q ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:25:36 < upgrdman> anic_: maybe? :) im hand winding my shit, and don't have an LCR meter
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:25:40 < hjf> FreezingCold: re: price. this is the first stage of (at least) 4 more parts. the following parts are only minimal modifications to the current panel (add more temperature modules which just attach to the right of the one already in place)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:26:09 < hjf> FreezingCold: obviously the following stages will be as high or even more as what i'm charging now :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:27:47 < hjf> FreezingCold: also it's hard to convert USD to pesos since there are two very different exchange rates. one is the government's "official" (where i'm being paid the equivalent of $1050) and other is the "illegal" market USD which is the equivalent of $708
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:27:47 < LeelooMinai> extorsionist!
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:28:01 < anic_> what's so bad about torsion ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:28:42 < upgrdman> nice gif
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:28:44 < upgrdman> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:29:13 < hjf> also at 30% annual inflation, i really need to work as quickly as i can. as days pass, my original 8500 pesos bill is slowly eroding away by inflation
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:29:25 < FreezingCold> hjf: that sounds backwards, why would you use the illegal exchange?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:29:36 < FreezingCold> the govt exchange sounds like a way better deal to use?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:30:14 < FreezingCold> you're from... Argentina?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:30:16 < hjf> yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:30:22 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, memory pwn
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:30:22 < hjf> you can't actually buy the official rate
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:30:33 < FreezingCold> oh :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:30:36 < hjf> you need an authorization from the government
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:30:40 < hjf> which they don't give
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:30:49 < hjf> so you're stuck buying black market dollars
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:32:01 < FreezingCold> damn
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:32:05 < FreezingCold> speaking of market stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:32:20 < FreezingCold> I really need to apply for a few new bank accounts and some credit cards
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:32:58 < anic_> and change your name and appearance while you're at it ?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T04:34:54 < hjf> FreezingCold: just so you understand how crazy the economy is here, the central bank removed from circulation 48B pesos, or (average) 4.8B dollars. central bank reserves are 28.3B
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:35:30 < hjf> you know what happens when you suddenly remove 4.8 billion dollars from a country with a population of 40 million?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T04:35:51 < ohsix> trickle down money from the rich people right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T05:42:03 < Oku71> it's basically a tandom economy.. I dont even think it's 'cracked down upon' expect in the papers..
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T05:42:06 < FreezingCold> ebay got hacked?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T05:43:03 < hjf> Oku71: still 700km away from the falls
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T05:43:12 < Oku71> FreezingCold:  a few months ago; only now talking about it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T05:44:10 < FreezingCold> Oku71: if it wasn't for the shareholders we wouldn't hear about it at all
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T05:44:35 < hjf> Oku71: the government knows exactly where all the black market USD places are, and they also provide USD to the so the "blue" doesn't blow up (it has, today. over 70cents in 2 days)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T05:44:47 < theBear> what's a blue ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:17:49 < Oku71> yeah from what I understood (was told); most of the argentine factories just assembled stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:18:43 < hjf> Oku71: now. in the 80s and even 90s they made boards and CRTs here. also placed and soldering of components. earlier than that (late 70s) there were even transistor factories
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:19:23 < FreezingCold> so this is stupid question
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:19:23 < FreezingCold> https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-txoUBJNqeCE/TosxmTi6tHI/AAAAAAAAAbY/2BtqNr5v6VA/s1600/spi.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:19:31 < FreezingCold> for the db25 connector
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:19:44 < FreezingCold> Do I use pin 1 of the male or female side?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:20:08 < Casper> same
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:20:17 < FreezingCold> Casper: what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:20:23 < FreezingCold> it's reflected
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:20:28 < Casper> pin 1 is the same on both
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:21:28 < Casper> and another cop that burned the stop while speeding...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:21:54 < upgrdman> i think he means pin1 as viewed from the wire side or user-facing side
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:21:59 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:22:30 < Casper> look at the connector for the pin 1 label :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:22:43 < R0b0t1`> It shouldn't matter... pin1 will end up mating with pin1 unless you do something really weird.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:22:56 < FreezingCold> Casper: I did after I brought it up :p
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:26:27 < FreezingCold> nice, this cable has the right pins already soldered on
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:27:25 < Oku71> hjf:  neat - so are you an engineer?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:27:38 < FreezingCold> yeah, he's a cool one too :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:28:39 < Oku71> yeah?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:29:35 < FreezingCold> fuck I need another desk
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:29:37 < FreezingCold> I already have two
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:36:04 < R0b0t1`> FreezingCold: I need a 4 dimensional manifold which I can rotate through reality.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:36:19 < R0b0t1`> much more convenient than a desk
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:49:08 < hjf> FreezingCold: i can't legally say i'm an engineer (ingeniero)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:49:25 < hjf> because that's a title, comparable to Doctor
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:49:43 < FreezingCold> likewise
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:49:49 < FreezingCold> ...what t heck is an R1220 resistor?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:50:26 < hjf> speaking of engineering
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:50:34 < hjf> i found these cool limit switches for $20
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:54:28 < Engen> Hi guys, just wondering for those of you who work with verilog, is there a certain 'copypasta' you place at the beggining of every file for the sake of documentation?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:54:54 < FreezingCold> "FreezingCold is my God"
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:56:02 < upgrdman> Can I have a moment of your time to talk about FreezingCold, our lord and savior? </AnnoyingChristian>
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:56:36 < FreezingCold> I'm not a religion, I'm a relationship
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T06:57:25 < Engen> Or maybe a text that you guys would recommend for someone learning verilog?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T06:57:57 < FreezingCold> Believe in FreezingCold, and knowledge will come to you
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:25:06 < boostedcabbage> anchorman is a classic
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:25:14 < boostedcabbage> loved stranger than fiction
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:25:17 < sabotender> Ive never seen it before
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:25:25 < FreezingCold> i couldn't finish it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:25:26 < sabotender> I am currently downloading My Couin Vinny
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:25:31 < FreezingCold> it's just not funny
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:25:38 < FreezingCold> it's all cringes and that's it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:25:43 < boostedcabbage> it's stupid funny
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:26:03 < boostedcabbage> but yeah.. worth a shot
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:26:05 < FreezingCold> no, it's just stupid
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:26:09 < boostedcabbage> depends on your humor i guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:26:22 < sabotender> I like stupid funny far more than crude funny. Americans have a thing with crude humor...that I just don't get
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:26:29 < boostedcabbage> obviously it's all opinion
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:27:13 < sabotender> boostedcabbage: American Pie. much?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:27:24 < boostedcabbage> what about it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:27:50 < sabotender> crude. I saw the previews that played before another movie I was watching at a cinema and swore to never see it
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:27:52 < FreezingCold> American Pie is funny
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:27:54 < sabotender> and to this day I have not
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:03 < FreezingCold> those are pretty good
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:09 < FreezingCold> even the last one is decent
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:28:15 < boostedcabbage> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:28:20 < boostedcabbage> grandma's boy
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:28:24 < boostedcabbage> k go
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:30 < FreezingCold> what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:28:34 < boostedcabbage> download it
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:41 < FreezingCold> download what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:45 < FreezingCold> me or sab?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:28:50 < boostedcabbage> everyone
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T07:28:55 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I don't like crude humor. A few years ago, a couple of friends of mine dragged me to JackAss 3. Horrible. Just terrible.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:29:41 < boostedcabbage> but really.. grandma's boy is funny if well done stoner humor is your thing
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:29:43 < sabotender> If there were a day that I would need Brain Bleach (tm) most, it was that day.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:29:53 < sabotender> boostedcabbage: I like stoner humor.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:48:53 < CESSMASTER> go to classical music concerts
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:48:59 < sabotender> please listen, that will show you how serious they are
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:49:03 < CESSMASTER> they remove people on oxygen tanks for breathing too loudly
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T07:49:18 < JFK911> motorola surplus auction
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:16:27 < ohsix> also they might have just changed the error message, lul
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:16:36 < ohsix> instead of saying it's a const violation, say it's read only, uno
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:50:06 < Hyratel1> dhrosa, does it seem to crawl onto the metal aroudn where you're applying heat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:50:37 < dhrosa> i'm not exactly sure what you mean Hyratel1? it's not balling up together like it would if I dropped solder onto wood or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:50:41 < dhrosa> it's spreading out over the metal
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:50:54 < Hyratel1> then it does sound like it's "wetting"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T08:52:59 < dhrosa> I think this battery pack project is actually going to make me use up my 1lb reel of solder
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T09:28:05 < sabotender> LAWL this is hilarious
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T09:28:46 < ohsix> no it isn't
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T09:39:32 < FreezingCold> huh, the new michael jackson album is actually decent
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T09:39:45 < FreezingCold> sounds like justin timberlake.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T09:39:59 < FreezingCold> probably now that he's dead sony can make whatever they want without him bitching
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:44:54 < FreezingCold> sabotender: meh, I don't mind him
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:44:57 < FreezingCold> seems like a cool dude
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:45:33 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: Antibiotics are over prescribed anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:46:13 < ohsix> another one huh
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:46:53 < FreezingCold> another what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:47:05 < ohsix> another person that thinks such a thing
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:47:31 < FreezingCold> wtf, one of my distant relatives makes $200k at a not so well known uni in the states
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:47:35 < jpa-> depends on country, of course
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:47:39 < FreezingCold> ohsix: you don't believe in evolution?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:48:11 < ohsix> i believe doctors have agency and random people generally can't make such a statement
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:48:41 < FreezingCold> ohsix: dude, this is a pretty well known and accepted fact
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:48:41 < jpa-> in some places doctors are quite reluctant to give antibiotics even if there is a need (such as suspected borreliosis from a tick, which may be quite difficult to diagnose accurately)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:48:45 < ohsix> also you're not conflating people using antibiotics, and use in animal husbandry are you?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:49:05 < FreezingCold> https://www.google.ca/#q=antibiotic+resistance+site:edu
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:49:08 < FreezingCold> About 146,000 results (0.26 seconds)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:49:21 < ohsix> haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:49:31 < Polesch> jpa-, antibiotics won't treat borreliosis anyway, that's a nonsense idea..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:49:39 < ohsix> i see you chose another angle to demonstrate your point
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:49:46 < FreezingCold> https://www.google.ca/#q=antibiotic+resistance+overprescribed+site:edu
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:49:49 < ohsix> oh both of you guys are here, great
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:49:50 < FreezingCold> About 2,520 results (0.42 seconds)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:50:12 < FreezingCold> ohsix: do you even understand what antibiotics are and how they influence evolution?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:50:25 < ohsix> https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=freezing+cold+dumb&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:50:26 < jpa-> Polesch: why does wikipedia disagree?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:50:32 < ohsix> About 4,410,000 results (0.39 seconds)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:51:12 < FreezingCold> https://www.google.ca/#q=oh+six+shit%27
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:51:15 < FreezingCold> About 94,200,000 results (0.17 seconds)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:51:25 < Lope> My blender has some input protection where the MOV fried recently when I was running my blender off the same multiplug as a angle grinder. I think possibly the angle grinder made an inductive kickback and the spike nailed the MOV hard. what sucks is that MOVs self destruct and can only protect the device once then need to be replaced. Surely a better design would be like a pair of zeners at 350v and then a mov at 400v?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:51:50 < FreezingCold> What's MOV? I keep thinking you're talking about assembly
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:51:52 < Lope> (using a modified sine wave inverter as power source)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:52:00 < ohsix> ehr
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:52:01 < Lope> FreezingCold: me too :p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:52:26 < ohsix> might just be the inverter and how it acts under load too
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:52:33 < FreezingCold> ohsix: So do you believe that bacteria don't evolution with antibiotics?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:53:00 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i believe you are not ootlink's doctor
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:53:08 < Lope> ohsix: possible, but regardless, my blender's surge protection should not self destruct so easily.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:53:17 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Fuck OoTLink, I'm just talking in general
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:53:26 < FreezingCold> As long as he doesn't die I won't feel bad
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:53:26 < ohsix> Lope: they're mostly to stop fires :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:53:38 < FreezingCold> if he dies I'll feel bad for a little bit
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:53:44 < FreezingCold> and then go back to porn
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:54:16 < Polesch> As if doctors know more about this than anyone else?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:54:20 < Hyratel1> FreezingCold, meal oxide varistor. it's a safety failshort
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:54:38 < ohsix> <generic hyperbolic statement about porn>
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:54:39 < FreezingCold> Hyratel1: then it's totally out of my league :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:54:50 < FreezingCold> ohsix: that's usually how I solve a rough day?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:54:59 < Polesch> Doctors are clinicians, general practitioners, they get patients. They are not scientists, microbiologists or somehow working for the better good of everyone
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:55:01 < FreezingCold> I don't see how that's generic just because it's a common way of solving problems
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:55:25 < ohsix> yea yea doctors are in the business of making you sick, fuck them
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:55:26 < FreezingCold> Polesch: and I'm pretty sure most doctors will still tell you that antibiotics are over prescribed
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:55:36 < FreezingCold> Polesch: of course they'll say it's not them but the shitty other doctors :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:55:37 < Polesch> Of course they do
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:55:55 < ohsix> if most know that, how does it persist?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:55:57 < Polesch> Many of my friends are doctors
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:55:58 < speak> ohsix: Your use of sarcasm doesn't hide the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about, either :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:56:12 < FreezingCold> Polesch: oh right, you're the rich dude who lives near miami?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:56:23 < FreezingCold> the electronics boat guy?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:56:26 < ohsix> speak: i make no allusions about being a doctor or a lawyer, that's kind of my point, too
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:56:29 < Polesch> Norway, bunch if intelligent friends :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:56:34 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:56:42 < speak> I just see a lot of aggression and snarkiness towards everyone, while simultaneously not actually providing any counterproof or any sound arguments
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:04 < FreezingCold> speak: I linked to thousands of edu sites confirming what I was saying
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:57:04 < Polesch> And just because medicine has the highest grade requirement in this country, a lot of the smart kiddies take it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:57:04 < ohsix> when a sound argument comes up you let me know
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:57:12 < ohsix> it hasn't happened even once yet
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:12 < FreezingCold> [03:49:42] <FreezingCold> https://www.google.ca/#q=antibiotic+resistance+overprescribed+site:edu
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:27 < speak> FreezingCold: Indeed, and ohsix thought you were playing a numbers game (aka how many google results you were getting)
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:37 < FreezingCold> Polesch: yeah that's pretty much the main reason why people like becoming a doctor
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:57:39 < speak> Because he's too busy being snarky to even try to understand
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:43 < FreezingCold> Polesch: getting paid and getting laid?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:57:52 < Polesch> Yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:53 < FreezingCold> speak: me or ohsix?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:57:58 < speak> FreezingCold: ohsix
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:58:04 < FreezingCold> yay! it's not me!
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:58:08 < FreezingCold> I win
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:58:12 < ohsix> it's not snark, anyone that gives medical advice that isn't a doctor is a fuckface
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:58:13 < FreezingCold> I don't care about the antibiotic thing
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:58:30 < FreezingCold> ohsix: you shouldn't stab yourself with a plastic fork to commit suicide
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:58:37 < ohsix> he did not provide 'proof' of anything either
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:58:40 < FreezingCold> you gonna try that now cause I'm a fuckface? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:58:54 < ohsix> if you're going to trot out words for things you're really expected to know what they are
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:58:54 < mozzarella> guys
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:59:01 < sonic2wb> yo
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:59:02 < mozzarella> where can I get 4000 series ICs
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:59:16 < ohsix> ti, on semi
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:59:18 < ohsix> st
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:59:22 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: I would suggest the internet
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T10:59:29 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: seriously though, what country and how many?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T10:59:36 < ohsix> motorola used to second source a lot of stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:00:19 < ohsix> i just want to hilight how the concept of counterproof, as was offered, is beyond idiotic
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:00:22 < mozzarella> FreezingCold: Canada, I just want assorted ICs to play with
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:00:25 < evilbett1> woop and meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:00:38 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: not ottawa by any chance?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:00:43 < ohsix> evilbett1: PROVE IT
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:00:48 < mozzarella> I want the basic AND OR NAND stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:00:56 < mozzarella> FreezingCold: no, Quebec
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:02 < evilbett1> i cant, its just that they want my money
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:01:04 < FreezingCold> ah, then I can't offer you freebies :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:09 < evilbett1> and it annoys me
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:01:13 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: why not the TTL 74xx?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:26 < ohsix> mozzarella: have you already got bored with simulators?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:01:30 < mozzarella> FreezingCold: well, I heard CMOS is better than TTL… dunno
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:34 < evilbett1> with the women at least you know they're gonna become mom, now they expect us to collect a present for some dude that never ever said his gf was pregnant
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:46 < mozzarella> ohsix: wat
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:01:48 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: TTL is used more I believe, no proof though
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:01:50 < mozzarella> what kind of simulator
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:00 < evilbett1> i'm a fan of the cd4000 series:p
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:18 < jpa-> no-one uses TTL anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:23 < ohsix> you can just use the low power stuff if you ever end up building something with it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:24 < evilbett1> the numbers in the 4000 series are easier to remember:p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:02:37 < FreezingCold> jpa-: heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:45 < jpa-> only thing good about TTL is that it's harder to kill by ESD :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:02:45 < FreezingCold> 3.3V is kinda TTL
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:02:48 < ohsix> st and ti and a bunch of companies have even lower voltage logic series
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:03:01 < FreezingCold> 3.3V TTL is usually accepted by 5V TTL
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:03:06 < speak> ohsix: The proof was all over the page FreezingCold linked. You weren't asked to provide counterproof without first presenting you with a lot of valid sources that backed up what FreezingCold was saying
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:03:33 < ohsix> mozzarella: something like http://ozark.hendrix.edu/~burch/logisim/
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:03:36 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: I got bored of basic IC's fast
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:03:52 < jpa-> FreezingCold: yes, 3.3V CMOS output does work with 5V TTL input, but that does not mean that anyone uses TTL inputs anymore
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:03:59 < jpa-> FreezingCold: every microcontroller nowadays is CMOS
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:04 < ohsix> speak: allow me to demonstrate that, https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=speak+is+an+idiot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:11 < ohsix> speak: refute my statement
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:04:18 < FreezingCold> jpa-: I guess
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:21 < evilbett1> wow
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:04:23 < ohsix> FreezingCold: at least got the joke, or started with the joke
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:29 < ohsix> -:
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:32 < evilbett1> i just noticed a mysterious bag behind me belonging to noone
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:04:35 < FreezingCold> ohsix: which joke? My memory is zero
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:38 < evilbett1> i hope its not a bomb
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:04:47  * FreezingCold adds evilbett1 to a database
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:04:57 < ohsix> FreezingCold: using the google result count as proof of something
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:04:57 < BlastHardcheese> ask Noone what's in the bag
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:01 < evilbett1> good, its cleared out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:09 < evilbett1> we found the owner
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:09 < speak> ohsix: Wow you're really dense, aren't you?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:18 < ohsix> speak: yes, i'm dense
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:05:22 < speak> It was already established that FreezingCold wasn't going for result amount
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:05:27 < FreezingCold> ohsix: don't really want to talk about it anymore, but I was saying you could pick any one of those articles.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:29 < ohsix> speak: provide counter proof
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:35 < speak> I thought it was anyway, but apparently you didn't get that simple concept
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:05:36 < FreezingCold> I didn't want to force one university on you
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:47 < evilbetty> hackers!
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:50 < ohsix> speak: nothing was established! it wasn't an argument
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:05:50 < speak> It was about what was IN that page FreezingCold linked, not the result amount
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:05:52 < speak> Duh
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:06:21 < ohsix> speak: they were so voluminous in number that FreezingCold didn't even need or want to cite one he found definitive, or even read
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:06:43 < speak> ohsix: There is nothing in the page you linked talking about "speak being dumb", whereas the pages FreezingCold linked had links full of university papers on antibiotic resistance
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:06:52 < FreezingCold> oh fuck it guys
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:06:53 < FreezingCold> move on
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:07:16 < ohsix> speak: REFUTE MY SUPER LEGIT AND SOUND AND _VALID_ ARGUMENTS BRO
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:07:22 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:07:31 < ohsix> one of these things is not true, because snark
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:07:47 < FreezingCold> there's my final argument
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:07:50 < FreezingCold> in a youtube video
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:07:57 < evilbetty> its gonna be a beautiful day
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:08:04  * FreezingCold doesn't actually know the lyrics, hopefully it's to do with letting it go
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:08:05 < speak> ohsix: You're using sarcasm again because you're empty of real arguments
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:08:20 < Polesch> jpa-, looks like I'm wrong. Short term administration of antibiotics is the common treatment of lyme disease. The problem is that long-term treatment is not recommended, and antibiotic treatments do not seem to lessen smyptonms. Lyme disease is complicated, mostly because of the recent surge in fake diagnoses
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:08:23 < ohsix> speak: and somehow my sarcasm is your argument
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:08:24 < ldunn> FreezingCold: joke's on you, it's about antibiotics
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:08:29 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:08:41 < speak> Anyway, I just wanted to hilight how silly you are, I know this is a moot conversation :P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:08:45 < ohsix> Polesch++
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:08:47 < FreezingCold> ldunn: "let it go wild on the prescription pad"
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:00 < ohsix> being wrong is great
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:05 < jpa-> Polesch: yeah, it's pretty annoying if it is not treated quickly
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:18 < ohsix> speak: i am not a doctor
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:44 < ohsix> ok 3 of you
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:48 < BlastHardcheese> ##electronics: medicine discussion
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:09:50 < Polesch> Lyme disease is also spread over several stages, antibiotic treatments are not recommended for the later ones
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:09:58 < FreezingCold> BlastHardcheese: speaking as your electronics doctor
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:10:14 < speak> ohsix: You're probably one of those who think all cops become cops because they want to help other people
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:10:16 < FreezingCold> oh cool, I have some motorola 74xx chips on this board
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:10:19 < ohsix> electronics doctor is a vanity title given to him by the board of regents
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:10:19 < FreezingCold> it's pre PCI I think
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:10:20 < BlastHardcheese> FreezingCold: Do androids dream of electric sheep?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:10:22 < FreezingCold> what's before PCI?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:10:31 < FreezingCold> BlastHardcheese: that's in a superchick song IIRC
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:11:00 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ikYVGFZ-0
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:11:07 < ohsix> speak: i ... you're just a loon. if i were, you are conflating two very different things and implying almost no doctors are doing it not out of self interest
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:11:07 < FreezingCold> I think anyway
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:11:18 < FreezingCold> oh maybe not...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:11:29 < BlastHardcheese> >implying
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:11:33 < speak> ohsix: Of course there are good doctors as there are good cops
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:11:38 < ohsix> nah we're making sweeping character statements now
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:11:55 < ohsix> because we didn't give speak a platform to talk shit about doctors like he really wanted
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:12:03 < speak> ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:12:11 < rkreis> FreezingCold: ISA?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:12:14 < speak> It was nice to rant, sorry for the offtopic
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:12:35 < FreezingCold> rkreis: good guess!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:12:45 < Polesch> These days a good doctor is one that gives the patient whatever he wants and don't make him leave empty handed
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:12:50 < FreezingCold> rkreis: I love how they were able to make an entire card with mostly  DIP chips
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:13:18 < ohsix> Polesch: in a sense that is true but it does not imply that they're harming people because of it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:13:23 < rkreis> as opposed to making an entire card with just one TSSOP-2300 chip?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:13:55 < evilbetty> meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:13:57 < FreezingCold> rkreis: they even used through hole resistors
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:13:59 < FreezingCold> and no smd resistors
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:14:09 < ohsix> Polesch: the people they are treating are active participants in their own medical outcomes, you can't do anything about a person that is sure bad things will happen
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:14:33 < rkreis> FreezingCold: seen some *huge* cards
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:14:47 < ohsix> doctors don't really understand probability in outcomes and patients don't understand what tests even mean
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:15:05 < ohsix> healthcare triage had a good video on it, and bayes theorem
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:15:18 < FreezingCold> rkreis: yeah, my card is massive
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:15:26 < FreezingCold> I wonder if they even make slots that big
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:15:33 < FreezingCold> heh, that wasn't that great of a sex joke
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:15:34 < FreezingCold> fuck it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:15:47 < BlastHardcheese> ask your mom
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:15:56 < FreezingCold> she's dead
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:15:58 < rkreis> i was going to continue how they had some systems with two slots, but that doesn't seem appropriate anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:04 < ohsix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql2jEJ-6e-Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF1T7KzRnrs
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:08 < Polesch> ohsix, tuberculosis used to be easily treatable with most antibiotics, now you have multiresistant TB strains that won't respond to most antibiotics, only newer and more expensive variants that poor patients can't affort.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:10 < BlastHardcheese> so what
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:16:28 < FreezingCold> BlastHardcheese: I don't feel like digging
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:32 < mozzarella> I don't know how those simulators work (  ;____;)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:38 < ohsix> Polesch: that may as well be a factual statement, and i can't say shit about it
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:16:42 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: they're loads of fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:16:50 < ohsix> i'm not a doctor
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:17:04 < ohsix> that fits what i've heard in the press and stuff, though
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:17:06 < mozzarella> are the leds supposed to light up or am I just allowed to check the voltage drop across them?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:17:07 < FreezingCold> i'm not not not a doctor
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:17:08 < mozzarella> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:17:24 < FreezingCold> mozzarella: uh, wtf are you doing?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:17:28 < Polesch> ohsix, now you can try to figure out why. I'd say it's evolution and overuse of antibiotics.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:17:50 < Lope> whenever reading about surge/spike protection the stuff I've read has not ever mentioned the combination of zener (or opamp and vref) with a triac/SCR. that should provide the high current capability required for blowing a fuse... typically they only mention gas tube (leaky, oldschool and expensive), zener (too weak), MOV (too slow and self destructs, not reusable)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:17:56 < ohsix> FreezingCold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIYF9exhm-Q
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:18:04 < ohsix> Polesch: heh no
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:18:25 < ohsix> i said might as well, but you are also not a doctor
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:18:37 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the fuck is that show?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:18:59 < ohsix> FreezingCold: just a garbage non sequitir cuz i was already at youtube
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:19:07 < Polesch> If I can prove to you that there exist patients that was given antibiotics for TB that would do fine without, does that help?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:19:20 < FreezingCold> ohsix: it looks like real production money went into that
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:19:23 < FreezingCold> that's what's alarming
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:19:53 < ohsix> Polesch: no, that does not make either of us doctors, i only care about proscriptive statements
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:20:22 < ohsix> if you're not offering medical advice i don't care
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:27:54 < evilbetty> mine isnt very digital
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:27:56 < FreezingCold> oh fuck guys
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:28:03 < evilbetty> it just goes up till you stop pressing :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:28:06 < ldunn> FreezingCold: see what you've done
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:28:09 < FreezingCold> we might get the ICE sat back with SDR!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:28:12 < ohsix> cheater: isn't that implied in your question? you guys' are great at this
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:28:19 < FreezingCold> http://spacecollege.org/isee3/isee-3-reboot-project-status-and-schedule-for-first-contact.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:28:24 < FreezingCold> IT'S HAPPENING
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:28:26 < FreezingCold> holy shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:28:48 < cheater> ohsix: stop yourself before you get too far again
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:28:49 < ohsix> Polesch: 'or flu' ;P
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:03 < evilbetty> what is happening?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:08 < ohsix> cheater: i'm suggesting >here< that you didn't or can't read
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:08 < evilbetty> more space waste? :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:29:18 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: the opposite
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:29:22 < FreezingCold> they're keeping it in space!
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:29 < theBear> heh, you know yer on a budget when you are almost outta distilled water and you seriously consider distilling your own instead of just buying a 5 litre bottle for a few bucks :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:35 < cheater> ohsix: why are you stirring up shit again?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:29:52 < ohsix> cheater: 01:29 < cheater> ohsix: why are you stirring up shit again?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:14 < evilbetty> :/
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:14 < cheater> theBear: here's an example of ohsix taking a perfectly civil conversation and making it into a one-sided fight
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:24 < Polesch> And I had this morning planned out for masturbation, now it's already late and I have to get dressed :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:30:31 < FreezingCold> Polesch: it's never too late
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:32 < ldunn> you poor thing
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:30:34 < FreezingCold> do it on the drive to work
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:39 < cheater> it's really getting boring
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:40 < ohsix> cheater: you definitely don't know what the fuck you are talking about, or you are making shit up
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:30:41 < FreezingCold> you only need one hand to drive anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:46 < evilbetty> with emphasis on moron :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:30:59 < theBear> i'm a big boy, i kinda figured i should scroll a few pages and pay attention :-) as they say in "Run Fat Boy Run", don't excassibate the situation :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:31:02 < ohsix> FreezingCold: Polesch: speak: evilbetty: do you support cheaters 'interpretation' of events
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:14  * intranick electrocutes theBear 
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:20 < ohsix> because, you guys were actually here and shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:34 < theBear> both of you, we are happy man, we have nice thoughts, we don't do things that are. . . wrong, to do
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:39 < evilbetty> wat is your question?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:31:47 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I haven't been listening anymore and I don't care
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:52 < evilbetty> i'm not really readibng cheater's complaining or whatever he's doing
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:31:58 < ohsix> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:12  * intranick electrocutes theBear again
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:19 < evilbetty> im not reading anything :p like most ppl here i'm just adding extra text in the window
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:30 < ohsix> anyways according to cheater you should be angrier
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:30 < ldunn> must...increase...entropy...
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:32:34 < theBear> FreezingCold, oh, and that wasn't a GREAT sex joke, but it made me smile
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:39 < ohsix> ldunn: get angry
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:42 < ldunn> gr,
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:43 < evilbetty> especially since i switched to black text on white bg :p its not very clear
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:50 < ohsix> huehahehuh
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:32:51 < evilbetty> but it draws less attention with colleagues
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:32:53 < FreezingCold> theBear: awww, thanks <3
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:33:06 < theBear> Lope, it's called a crowbar circuit (force fuse to blow, lock on till power off/reset kinda deal)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:33:20 < evilbetty> :o
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:33:45 < evilbetty> good old blow fuse on purpose
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:35:36 < Polesch> cheater is cool, I want him on my team
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:35:43 < Polesch> Go go
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:35:46 < ohsix> can you post the line where i started speaking with FreezingCold
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:04 < evilbetty> fuckers
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:14 < theBear> i have it on good authority that it takes 2 to tango (perhaps >=2, i'm no ballroom dancer) and have also noticed personally (in irc land, in real life i'm the bear, things are different,) that after an emotional disagreement, that you have to actively put effort into re-associate-ing (vs keep-enemy-ing) a person or things just go on and on and noone comes out happy
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:21 < FreezingCold> ohsix: no
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:22 < FreezingCold> fuck off
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:26 < FreezingCold> fuck off everyone :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:26 < ohsix> FreezingCold: NO U
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:28 < evilbetty> they changed a dropdown list that started empty, so you could still type in the crap, to a nonempty, so now i need to mouseclick, and scroll through 200+ entries
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:34 < FreezingCold> ohsix: YOU'RE A WHORE
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:35 < ldunn> tangoing with more than 2 sounds difficult (but I've never tried it)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:39 < cheater> ohsix: i don't care where you started talking, i just care about you stopping talking, because when you talk it's just a load of bs and attempts to annoy people
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:41 < evilbetty> and i need to do that many times/day
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:36:49 < ohsix> FreezingCold: that's just a vanity shirt, it wasn't true
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:36:56 < theBear> on a personal note, i'm not at all fond of quoting fairly recent and particularly very recent irc lines in the same channel
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:37:01 < evilbetty> and its one of those dropdowns that do not select the entry based on what you type
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:37:04 < FreezingCold> ohsix: that's not what your boyfriend told me last night
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:37:08 < Polesch> Can't we all just hate on Google instead?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:37:11 < ohsix> cheater: 'you don't care', you are starting shit, the end
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:37:32 < ohsix> cheater: no bullshit was said by myself
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:37:40 < FreezingCold> bullshit
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:37:44 < ohsix> you WERE NOT HERE OR READING if you can state that
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:37:54 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i am not a doctor
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:37:59 < FreezingCold> yea you are
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:03 < theBear> why can't everybody just get along  :-( i've got fish that dwarf these fish to fry in my mind-pan right now, and i ain't gonna drag my giant fish into irc with me, but man, surely everyone likes me, consider it a personal favour ? <grin>
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:38:04 < FreezingCold> dirty liar
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:06 < ldunn> What a frightening thought
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:10 < cheater> theBear: ohsix keeps on starting childish arguments all the time - you said you've noticed it and were annoyed by it, and the only reason you let it slip was because you used to be buddies with him. then you told him to cut it out and he didn't, over MONTHS. when are you going to take action and remove the most bothersome person on this channel? sure you have a soft spot for that guy but letting ...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:13 < ohsix> that was a vanity t-shirt too ...
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:16 < cheater> ... him ruin this channel for that reason is ridiculous.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:38:16 < FreezingCold> HEY EVERYBODY, OHSIX IS A LYING DOCTOR
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:38:27 < FreezingCold> cheater: give it up
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:38:31 < FreezingCold> letttt itt gooooo
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:38  * linuxfish_ slaps theBear around a bit with a large trout
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:44 < linuxfish_> no fish >:(
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:38:53 < cheater> theBear: step up to your responsibility finally and kick him out, there's nothing else you can try any more, he's obviously impervious to reason and pleasant arguments
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:39:13 < FreezingCold> theBear: you're an OP?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:39:31 < cheater> i mean i look at the channel at a RANDOM time and it's again ohsix, again talking shit to someone, telling them "you don't know shit", etc.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:39:36 < cheater> how is that even acceptable chat?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:39:37 < FreezingCold> theBear: Do you watch Family Guy?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:39:38 < theBear> i didn't exactly say that, i said he had been out of sorts (paraphrased) for some period, and not really much else...  and while we at it, don't be dragging me into public arguments with things i said in confidence
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:39:56 < evilbetty> give itt up for celine dion
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:40:01 < Lope> theBear: yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:40:05 < theBear> FreezingCold, of course, don't i have a responsible kinda atmosphere all around me at all times ? <grin>
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:40:30 < ohsix> theBear: but that's how you drag yourself into this 'argument', to give it more weight, he really wants you excited!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:40:35 < theBear> FreezingCold, not religiously, but i'm very fond of it, for the very (random/ill-related/abstracts) reasons many dislike it
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:40:38 < ohsix> you know
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:40:42 < FreezingCold> I thought that atmosphere stench was just gas
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:40:49 < cheater> theBear: you're an op here, you have some responsibilities, you fail to follow them because you have a soft spot for the guy. confidence or not, doesn't matter, you're lapsing in your duty.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:40:55 < theBear> takes more than this to excite me, and like i say, much bigger fishes in my mind-pan
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:41:01 < ohsix> everyone pounces on theBear every fucking time he is on (myself included) and it's really not fair
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:41:08 < cheater> theBear: if you weren't, i wouldn't be bringing this up. but the situation has gotten really ridiculous by now.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:41:12  * FreezingCold pounds theBear 
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:41:12 < evilbetty> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:41:13 < FreezingCold> wait
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:41:17 < FreezingCold> that didn't come out right
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:41:18  * ldunn watches
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:41:24 < ohsix> theBear: he just called you out man
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:41:33 < FreezingCold> FIGHT FIGHT
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T11:41:38 < FreezingCold> ohsix: who's fighting?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:42:11 < ohsix> i dunno
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T11:42:12 < cheater> theBear: if you have bigger fish to fry than taking care of this channel, then pass on your op status to someone who gives a crap. :(
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:50:56 < evilbetty> the ones with a springed flap
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:50:59 < evilbetty> non cig
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:51:11 < Hfuy> Got a link handy? Not sure what you meam.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:51:35 < evilbetty> errr
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:52:05 < evilbetty> http://www.buybits.com/images/productimages/main_hella25cmadaptor.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T12:52:13 < evilbetty> that male one
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:32:04 < theBear> recently i had a multimeter err, athon here at home, i got more working than i know what to do with now ! you know, battery here, clean the selector there, get out a snapped off banana shroud there
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:32:31 < theBear> even my cutte little 'pocket' sized ratshack one i got first before i was even a teenager
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:36:53 < evilbetty> woop
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:34 < theBear> sidenote about one of my favourite advertising 'white lies' ... even the top of the line current/post 80s or mid 90s 7+ tube (including 100w output stage, all tube) marshall amplifiers, and speicifcally all models of 'valvestate' they made (even the very few that DID contain a single actual tube inside), all of these use a set of 4 3mm green leds, 2 pairs series and opposite way around in the feedback loop of an opamp,  as the actual distortion s
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:34 < theBear> tage, and it sounds AWESOME ! i ain't gonna debate how much it does/doesnt' sound like a tube distortion stage, but they both sound very decent and very usable, 'cept 3mm green leds are way cheaper, last practically idefinately, and opamps need way less tricky power supply than any modern tube
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:55:40 < FreezingCold> LOL
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:43  * _abc_ reads backlog and guffaws at ipatrol's predicament
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:44 < evilbetty> i even forgot to put leads in my DMM
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:55:48 < FreezingCold> an automated system just hung up on me
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:55:51 < FreezingCold> that's a first
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:54 < ipatrol> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:55:56 < FreezingCold> never had that happen before
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:55:58 < evilbetty> did you misbehave?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:56:05 < FreezingCold> "You seem to be having trouble, goodbye"
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T20:56:09 < FreezingCold> I shit you not
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:56:10 < ipatrol> it must be Agent Smith!
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:56:15 < _abc_> evilbetty: That is better than leaving the leads in the current inputs then measuring volts. I find it clever that some meters beep at you if you try to do that.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T20:56:37 < theBear> and if anyone doubts, go to theg-image machine and ask for valvestate schematic, or maybe jcm2000 (top of the line fewyears back, probly still with a few suffix letters,) or soemthing and be entertained right near the gain knob part of the circuit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:05:13 < evilbetty> and that other vid where he gets electrocuted
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:05:21 < evilbetty> while saying you have to watch out in tube amps
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:05:46 < theBear> ooh sidenote, all the 5 tubes pictured on that diyaudioprojects link earlier, are crap, ironically the ancient old-manufacturing-processes rca ones are probably the most solid (aka non-microphonic due to halfass construction) and reliable and decent behaving ones in there :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:06:05 < evilbetty> ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:06:05 < theBear> ipatrol, hmm, that sentence sounds familiar to my brain :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:19:57 < _abc_> JFK911: In this country, at least.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:20:03 < theBear> but that's my trick, how everyone else do it ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:20:08 < _abc_> JFK911: Nowadays someone sells them on ebay
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:20:20 < shrdlu-> oh man, in those markets in the far east, you can pick from hundreds of premade cases then get the fascia routed in the store
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T21:20:29 < evilbetty> i hope the led really was reversed, then i can demand an apology for being called stupid
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:29:00 < evilbetty> my tv has an ARM tho
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2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:29:24 < nullvibe> Hodapp: I by no means am an expert, but I strongly favor mips over arm atm
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:29:29 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:29:29 < Mad7Scientist> is MIPS good for network processing?
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:29:38 < FreezingCold> cortex a9 killed the market
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:29:49 < evilbetty> ah well who cares anyway
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2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:29:54 < FreezingCold> they took over
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:04 < R0b0t1> nullvibe: You favor... mips.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:07 < R0b0t1> mips.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:09 < nullvibe> mips seems to maintain a consistent instruction set, whereas you're sol with anything in arm land over a couple years old
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:10  * R0b0t1 squints at nullvibe 
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:13 < evilbetty> i could root my tv but i dont wanna brick an expensive tv
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:13 < _abc_> Mad7Scientist: very good
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:30:22  * FreezingCold squirts at nullvibe 
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:23 < Hodapp> Mad7Scientist: MIPS is still used in a lot of networking hardware.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:24 < nullvibe> having to dig through ancient debian code to find something that works is utter b.s.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:39 < _abc_> Mad7Scientist: Also like 80-90% of hard voip phones are mips based
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:30:44 < R0b0t1> Mad7Scientist: I wouldn't say it's good, so much as it is typical.
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:30:49 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: meh, the new cortexs are widely supported
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:30:57 < nullvibe> FreezingCold: for the next two years maybe
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:10 < _abc_> It is good because it has a simple mix of hw and code which is known to work and is fastish
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:13 < R0b0t1> nullvibe: Compatibility isn't a huge issue. The compilers still *exist*, after all.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:18 < nullvibe> then they'll fuck over the instruction set again, support will be dropped in linux for the current line, and the headaches start all over again
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:31:23 < FreezingCold> BullDoger: it's be around for years and years
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:31 < R0b0t1> _abc_: That can be said of anything that becomes standard.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:38 < nullvibe> R0b0t1: exist != easy to bootstrap
2014-05.log:2014-05-22T22:31:42 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: the  ARM v7 instruction set is ollddddddd
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:46 < guanche> most photocopiers are also mips-based
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:31:53 < R0b0t1> "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" certainly applies but there's positives that ARM offers.
2014-05.log-2014-05-22T22:32:00 < _abc_> Also mips have a built in thing which is an external coprocessor support out of the box. So a lot of set top and voip boxes seem to use this to hang a hardware crypto device and or video decoder on that interface, and that is FAST
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:34:06 < mozzarella> alright guys
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:36:45 < john_f> http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:48:54 < bulaia> i usually just steam/boil then dip the fat ends into some mayo
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:49:11 < bulaia> cant really get artichokes here. when theyre available theyre like $5ea
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:50:00 < sabotender> yeah but i dont have a steamer. The artichokes are grown locally here in large amounts. On sale for 1.75USD ea
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:50:51 < sabotender> bulaia: that is too much for an artichoke. It had better be the size of a head of lettuce for that much
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:50:57 < bulaia> exactly
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T03:51:02 < bulaia> thats why i dont buy them
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:32:01 < DanDare> nullvibe, buying a new laptop is like playing with luck. But I understand repetitive failures over the time tends to make some people twice about brands
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:32:01 < TheLoneMilkMan> I could probably look into that though in case I find a more permenant place
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T04:32:14 < FreezingCold> TheLoneMilkMan: yay, college!
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T04:32:25 < FreezingCold> fun way to waste 4 years of your life :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:32:26 < oscillate> the Dean of the college?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:32:50 < DanDare> for me, they dont really give a crap about this (small) parcel of users tha know what they are using. its all programmed obsolescence imo
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:32:54 < ohsix> DanDare: it really isn't
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:33:10 < DanDare> *think twice
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T04:33:12 < FreezingCold> DanDare: laptops really vary from model to model
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:33:14 < ohsix> everyone has had a shitty laptop and a failing hard drive
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T04:33:20 < FreezingCold> brand doesn't real;ly make a difference
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T04:33:30 < FreezingCold> aside from Apple
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:33:32 < nullvibe> DanDare: well, I have a slightly better understanding of the arm ecosystem, so the arm company itself is partially to blame. but for as good as they generally are for linux support on x86, they're equally horrible with it on arm
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:33:48 < ohsix> arm butt-o-sphere
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T04:34:52 < DanDare> well, wife called again... i better keep waiting for the third call. 10:30 PM, you know, things starts getting a little strange :/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:00:12 < nullvibe> xeon-enouf: the 220v lines I've seen typically have the one terminal rotated 90 degrees
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:00:23 < ashes> i have problems with mplayer and bluray quality videos
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:00:27 < ohsix> xeon-enouf: yea there are 3 or 4 of them in common use, depending on when the house was built or refit for electric
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:00:35 < nullvibe> not sure I've seen anything 220 that wasn't 3 phase and had any other plug
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:06:54 < theBear> ashes, huh ? i picked up this here xeon something something i never heard of with ddr3 4gb ram and big hd and graphics card with 3 outputs only one of which i even plugged (like, ever, i never used a hdmi cable, letalone this displayport things, letalone have any) in there, off the curb a few months ago !
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:06:55 < nullvibe> no fglrx, and the radeon code that the freebsd people imported for 10 is extremely problematic
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:07:24 < nullvibe> ashes: and that's in addition to the radeon code lacking hardware texture compression support, which is required for some directx games
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:07:26 < ashes> i have been screwed several times by nvidia, and i'm done. i do not listen to their promises. i'm done. i don't buy nvidia
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:07:43 < FreezingCold> So I hooked up my software defined radio remotely
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:07:45 < FreezingCold> wonder if it's gonna work or not
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:07:47 < FreezingCold> gqrx is broken so I can't test
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:07:49 < FreezingCold> nvidia has been fine for me
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:07:59 < sirukin> ahoy. I'm looking to make a portable wireless access point. So, I need a way to power it. That can easily fit in a backpack. I would like to also dual use the battery pack for raspberry pi projects in the future.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:13 < sirukin> So, I've decided on the 6600mAh battery here. https://www.sparkfun.com/products/11360
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:08:27 < FreezingCold> hmmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:08:31 < FreezingCold> sound is choppy
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:34 < ohsix> nullvibe: the world has moved on from user mode setting drivers
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:46 < ohsix> nullvibe: they have kms support for the intel cards
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:51 < xeon-enouf> found it; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/NA240vPlug.JPG/170px-NA240vPlug.JPG   ..i was hoping for a full chart, showing them like this (even though this is only 2), http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:220sb.svg
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:52 < nullvibe> ashes: I hear you, and I've been there, but there isn't much we can do BUT buy nvidia if we want usable BSD desktops atm. write a letter to AMD/ATI asking for proper BSD support, and get the community to sign it :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:08:53 < FreezingCold> wonder if that's my software or my remote setup
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:55 < ohsix> also they don't support um, drm2
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T05:08:57 < FreezingCold> gonna guess it's the remote setup
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:08:58 < sirukin> Now, how would I go about converting 5v to 12v using a usb to dc dongle cable?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:09:01 < ohsix> which implies kernel mode setting
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:09:06 < ohsix> SO
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:14:42 < ashes> ohsix: nvidia comes to conventions, running linux to demonstrate new hardware
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:14:45 < ohsix> nullvibe: you aren't stuck with linux, you're just a fuckwit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:15:08 < ashes> nullvibe: 3 years ago nvidia said they would help with a tegra2 open source driver. never happened
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T05:15:18 < nullvibe> ohsix: congratulations. this is the slowest you've ever been in getting to full troll mode
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:12:58 < JFK911> ohsix: looks like western electric
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:17:30 < FreezingCold> this is annoying
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:17:31 < FreezingCold> got some stupid scratch flyer from a local business that claims I won $25k
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:17:35 < FreezingCold> it pisses me off because I know there's a catch but I still have to look it up -.-
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:17:54 < JFK911> you won $25k off new siding for your brick house
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:18:10 < FreezingCold> see here's where it makes no sense
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:18:28 < FreezingCold> it gives you the option of $25k in cash, a car, a truck... orrr.... a fucking $500 walmart gift card
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:18:38 < FreezingCold> "up to a $500 gift card" to be exact
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:18:51 < JFK911> whats the business
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:19:10 < FreezingCold> haha car dealership, that's how I know it's a scam
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:19:19 < JFK911> do you get those fake keys in the post too
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:19:26  * hjohnson needs to figure out the load capacitors for these crytals
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:19:33 < JFK911> what xtals?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:19:36 < FreezingCold> JFK911: what's that?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:19:39 < hjohnson> should I just use ye olde 22puff?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:19:48 < FreezingCold> xtals are PIC fuse settings
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:20:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i dont really know what the gimmick is, but we get flyers with fake car keys on them
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:20:14 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it's on a first come first serve basis
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:20:15 < JFK911> usually something like "come down to see what you win"
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:20:24 < FreezingCold> I'm guessing the employees claim all the prizes or something
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:20:37 < hjohnson> http://www.abracon.com/Resonators/abm8.pdf those little guys
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:20:49 < JFK911> what freqs?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:21:13 < FreezingCold> JFK911: bingo. They're trying to convince me to go into their shitty dealership
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:21:15 < FreezingCold> fuck them :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:21:31 < FreezingCold> "See dealer for details"
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:21:31 < hjohnson> 16 Mhz and 14.375 (or whatever the rs232 freq is)
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:21:40 < JFK911> 22pF sound good for that
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:21:51 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: why not use the internal osc?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:21:52 < JFK911> of course if you lay out a footprint you can change the value later
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:21:58 < hjohnson> oh, *facepalm* it says 18pf for load capacitor
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:22:01 < JFK911> lol free running osc
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:22:09 < JFK911> hey 22pf was pretty close
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:10 < FreezingCold> JFK911: what?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:22:19 < JFK911> it's not very stable/accurate
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:29 < FreezingCold> so?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:22:33 < JFK911> he mentioned uart
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:38 < FreezingCold> again, so?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:22:43 < JFK911> its kind of tricky to receive without stable timing
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:43 < FreezingCold> rs232 works fine with the internal osc for me
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:48 < FreezingCold> it's not tricky
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:22:55 < FreezingCold> works perfectly fine here
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:23:12 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: well, my hardware uart doesn't have an internal xtal
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:23:13 < hjohnson> the xmega does
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:23:17 < JFK911> i think you've made limited experiments
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:23:21 < hjohnson> but I generally don't trust internal oscillators
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:23:25 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I know I have
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:23:44 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: what do you mean your hardware uart? you mean the uart device you're hooking the PIC up to?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:24:13 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: depends how smart the receiver is.. I've come across at least one that used the exact edge timing to resync the bitclock so you could be +/-10% or more and it'd be mostly ok esp with manchester or similar
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:24:13 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: my project needs 12 serial ports
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:24:30 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: so I'm using an exar octal UART and then 4 of the onboard USARTs on the atmel
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:24:39 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: just tie them all together
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:24:58 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: you can set the PIC to clockout the osc on one of the pins with a fuse setting
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:00 < Polesch> Is the hardened photoresist usually removable by acetone?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:00 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: this seems more useful when there are more marks
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:10 < hjohnson> well, I"m not using a PIC, but yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:25:19 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: oh, thought you were
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:26 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: more marks?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:35 < anick> Polesch: photoresist or pcb mask ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:25:42 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: I'd rather use a proper frequency for the serial... I'm already feeding the 16MHz off to the CANBus
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:49 < Polesch> anick, no idea :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:25:55 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: consider you send a 0x00.  you get a mark for start, eight spaces, and a mark for stop, so there are no edges between the start and stop bit.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:26:11 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: yes, hence me suggesting manchester encoding
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:26:41 < anick> the green stuff cannot be removed by any solvent.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:26:41 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: oh, well of course, manchester is designed for clock recovery
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:26:42 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: meh. So what are you building?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:26:52 < Polesch> anick, so there is this resin that you can spray on the copper clad board, that will only harden when exposed to UV. And you can expose it through a stencil.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:26:55 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: NMEA data multiplexer and telemetry unit for my boat
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:05 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:09 < anick> Polesch: that can be removed. its supposed to be removed.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:26 < anick> with what, will depend on the particular photoresist formula.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:27:34 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I know you might be doing it for the fun of it, but isn't there aftermarket solutions for that already?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:34 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: But then it's not asynchronus, wouldn't you say?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:35 < Polesch> Yes, but do you need any special solution or do most nonpolar solvents work
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:39 < anick> sometimes is NaOH
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:27:47 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: kinda sorta, but they're remarkably expensive
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:27:54 < anick> Polesch: depends on which photoresist you're using.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:28:04 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: of course it's async, sync would require a separate clock signal
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:28:12 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: anything boat is expensive
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:28:19 < JFK911> Triffid_Hunter: But manchester is data xor clock, so there's a clock.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:28:26 < bulaia> http://i.imgur.com/4qMFL4r.gif
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:28:46 < Triffid_Hunter> JFK911: clock still needs to be extracted and reconstructed at the receiver, regardless of how easy that might be
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:28:49 < JFK911> I think whether the clock is inband or oob, it's still a clock
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:28:50 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: in this case, though, it's also doing stuff that I've not seen before... it will also dump telemetry out to a remote site either vi satellite or GPRS
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:28:57 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I do fine boats pretty pointless :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:29:17 < hjohnson> so that we can keep an eye on the boat's position, battery state, etc... remotely no matter where she goes
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:29:19 < JFK911> I think you can't drive a uart receiver from such a recovered clock because most uart receivers need a multiple of the data rate to work
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:29:49 < JFK911> the typical uart divides the bit period into sixteen portions and tries to find a threshold of marks in the middle
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:31:13 < hjohnson> that's why I have 2 primary crystals on my project.. 16MHz for the main CPU, and 14.57425231434132412341234134 for the UART
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:31:20 < anick> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:31:23 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: what do you do with a boat?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:31:29 < FreezingCold> aside from trying to bang chicks on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:31:31 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: Sail her around
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:31:44 < anick> FreezingCold: if you have a boat you don't have to "try"
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:31:45 < JFK911> this used a preamble for sync so a software loop could interperet it by watching the gpio and shifting bits
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:31:51 < hjohnson> yeah, it'd be a pretty special kind of chick to want to get laid on this boat.. (and i'd mary her in a heartbeat if that was to happen)
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:32:08 < FreezingCold> anick: that only counts if you have a massive yacht and you're somewhat famous
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:32:11 < FreezingCold> or pretty rich
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:32:15 < FreezingCold> or fucking hot.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:32:25 < FreezingCold> but the latter usually gets you laid regardless
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:32:39 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: lol, so you just boat around?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:33:43 < FreezingCold> so the domain registry of my country is holding a networking event; what exactly is the point of these?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:34:22 < hjohnson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91153284/IMG_0131.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:34:39 < FreezingCold> yeah not gonna get you laid
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:34:47 < hjohnson> that was on our big trip last year, heading up through some stunningly beautiful terrain
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:35:04 < hjohnson> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/91153284/image003.jpg and that's her out of the water
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:35:08 < hjohnson> (she's 27 feet long)
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:35:26 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: you need to be more like this. http://ca.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2013424/rs_560x415-130524155709-1024.Leo.ms.052413_copy.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:35:54 < hjohnson> meh, that costs too much money to operate
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:36:09 < hjohnson> when we're using the noisemaker to move through the water, we burn a gallon of diesel every 3 hours :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:11 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: but look at what you could /operate/ with that
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:36:14 < hjohnson> and that's at full throttle
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:36:17 < hjohnson> meh
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:36:18 < iWalrus> trivia tiem
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:23 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: move your eyes to to left
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:29 < FreezingCold> I would love to operate that
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:39 < FreezingCold> or the middle
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:40 < FreezingCold> or the right
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:36:47 < FreezingCold> pretty much any of them aside from leo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:37:00 < hjohnson> yeah, bunch of gold digging
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:37:07 < hjohnson> none of them are all that attractive
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:37:23 < FreezingCold> seriously?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:37:29 < FreezingCold> I beg to differ
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:37:29 < hjohnson> not to my eyes
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:37:45 < FreezingCold> all of them are +8/10 except the blonde with sunglasses
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:37:51 < hjohnson> meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:37:51 < FreezingCold> she's 7/10
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:37:57 < JFK911> their mouths must be closed
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:38:05 < hjohnson> if you go for chicks with big tits and who are only interested in guys with fancy boats, sure.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:38:09 < FreezingCold> JFK911: no, they should be open?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:38:14 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: perfect!
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:38:22 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: what else do you want?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:38:38 < JFK911> so is it a bad idea to request a number plate with the state seal and the old state police radio callsign
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:38:52 < FreezingCold> no, do it
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:39:40  * hjohnson rpefers smart chicks
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:39:57 < hjohnson> then again, my last gf was a 4'11" 90lb chinese chick, so meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:40:09 < FreezingCold> JFK911: get this with "NAL" as your license plate. http://files.ontariogovernment.ca/sites/default/so_graphic_licence_ont06_023216.png
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:40:15 < hjohnson> anyhow
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:40:26 < JFK911> yours to discover
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:40:26 < hjohnson> I use my boat to have fun on the water and go places. :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:40:28 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: heh, that almost seems too small
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:40:40 < FreezingCold> JFK911: hahaha I didn't even notice how that played into it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:40:48 < hjohnson> Sagres is seamenlike and shipshape, but she's certainly no luxury yacht
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:41:01 < hjohnson> (but doing very well for a 40 year old fiberglass boat)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:41:08 < JFK911> theyve had that on number plates for 15 years now or more in ontario eh
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:41:15 < FreezingCold> yeo
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:41:16 < hjohnson> she sailed from Seattle to San Francisco on her own bottom about 10 years ago
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:41:24 < hjohnson> came back to the PNW on a truck though
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:41:48 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: I know this is gonna come off really rude, but didn't 4'11" feel like a child?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:41:51 < Polesch> A friend of mine spent all his savings buying a warehouse stock of old Nokia 6310i and thought he could make a living and earn selling them off. What a fool.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:42:11 < FreezingCold> Why a Nokia 6310i?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:42:27 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: not really
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:42:28 < Polesch> Who knows..
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:42:39 < FreezingCold> retail never brings in big bucks
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:42:56 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: heh. I feel like I wouldn't want to go under 5'4"
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:43:17 < Polesch> I guess he found an auction for a warehouse full of them, and thought he had lucked out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:44:18 < Polesch> Let me check
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:44:44 < Polesch> About $14.5 per phone, which I thought was a lot
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:44:49 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:45:03 < FreezingCold> what year was this?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:45:09 < FreezingCold> 2005/2006?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:10 < JFK911> wow im sure it would be a stretch to get $10 for one today
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:11 < Polesch> This week
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:14 < JFK911> :o
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:45:21 < FreezingCold> hahahaha are you fucking serious?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:45:25 < FreezingCold> he deserves it
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:32 < JFK911> here they give out basic phones like that to poor people
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:40 < Polesch> He just announced it on his facebook that his website is open, selling them at $115
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:42 < Polesch> Haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:45:51 < JFK911> hope you liked and wished him luck
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:46:53 < JFK911> arr i have proms to burn
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:47:07 < Polesch> Proms?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:47:08 < FreezingCold> who does he think his target audience is?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:47:19 < JFK911> read only memories
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:47:35 < FreezingCold> if he sells them for $20 in inner city locations he might be able to target drug dealers who need a burner phone
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:47:39 < FreezingCold> that's the only market I can think of
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:47:53 < FreezingCold> but even drug dealers might think the phone sucks too much
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:48:20 < JFK911> drug dealers cant change imei yet?  its 2014
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:48:32 < anick> on a PCB there's a pad for a 2 terminal device labeled "A1". What do you think "A" could be ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:48:36 < Flea86> hjohnson: Nice boat! :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:48:49 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I thought it was somewhat hard to change the IMEI on most phones. I know the ESN is pretty easy
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:49:14 < anick> FreezingCold: in theory IMEI should be in ROM, but cheap China phones have everything in the same flash memory.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:49:38 < Polesch> Police here are too incapable, drug dealers don't bother with disposable phones
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:49:41 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: speaking of smart chicks, I really want to bang one right now
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:49:48 < FreezingCold> she's away for another week though
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:49:49 < anick> keep wanting
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:49:59 < FreezingCold> I missed my chance when we hung out before she left. Damn it
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:50:13 < FreezingCold> still beating myself up over that
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:50:55  * anick points in the direction of #hornyteenagerschat
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:51:07 < FreezingCold> heh, she's... 22 or 23?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:51:10 < Polesch> The drug dealers in this area are mostly middle aged single women with dogs
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:51:12 < FreezingCold> and she thinks I'm 20
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:51:19 < FreezingCold> so past the teenager point :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:51:28 < anick> so stop talking like one
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:51:34 < FreezingCold> Polesch: weeds?
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:51:39 < Polesch> Mostly
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:51:47 < FreezingCold> Polesch: was referring to the show actually
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:51:56 < Polesch> Oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:52:03 < FreezingCold> anick: Class finished like a month ago and I haven't found work yet
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:52:10 < FreezingCold> so it's pretty much the only thing on my mind
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:52:22 < Polesch> I never watched weeds, but I guess that captures it
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:53:17 < hjohnson> FreezingCold: amusingly, i'm 6'2"
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:53:21 < hjohnson> and like 220lbs
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:53:36 < hjohnson> Flea86: she's a good boat
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:53:39 < hjohnson> easy to sail
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:53:49 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: jesus christ
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:53:50 < hjohnson> though we almost ran her up on the rocks yesterday because the engine fialed
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:54:05 < FreezingCold> hjohnson: was eye contact even possible lol?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T08:54:37 < FreezingCold> Polesch: it was a good show, I recommend it
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:54:40 < Polesch> One of the women in the area even take her rounds every day with an ankle monitor on, lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T08:55:07 < hjohnson> hrmm.. so should i run the PPS signal from my gps receiver to an input on the microcontroller
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T09:04:20 < JFK911> something you can interrupt on edge i think
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T09:04:59 < JFK911> FreezingCold: those handsets are so old that i think someone figured out the imei by now
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T09:05:28 < JFK911> gsm sets dont have esn (i think thats what these are yea?)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T09:10:05 < OoTLink> hmm this nzxt case looks nice in black/blue
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:21:42 < Astaelan> Of course. Provided it holds sufficient voltage and can provide the required current over the use period.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:22:00 < Astaelan> Take into account things like battery voltage drop over time.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:22:12 < Astaelan> You may need a higher voltage battery, with higher mAh to last a duration of real use case though
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:22:26  * GyrosGeier goes home
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:22:36 < Astaelan> IE, a 9v 500mAh probably isn't going to run your device very long.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:22:41 < Astaelan> But it probably will run it.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:36:34 < JFK911> The cellphone is going to be frequently busy doing cellphone stuff.
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:36:43 < Astaelan> That's another factor
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:36:50 < LeelooMinai> baudtack: I would use big ee part online places: Mouser, DigiKey, Farnell, FutureElectronics, etc.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:36:50 < FreezingCold> fuck
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:36:52 < Astaelan> Interfearance from noise floor of the phone and it's own field around it.
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:36:56 < FreezingCold> fucking prick school
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:37:07 < FreezingCold> I requested my transcript a week ago and they only bothered sending it today
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:37:12  * nullvibe would still try some trickery involving induction and some sort of relay
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:37:13 < JFK911> baudtack: arrow, avnet, onlinecomponents, master electronics, also
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:37:23 < FreezingCold> now I might not get the transfer I need to university because it might be late
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:37:25 < FreezingCold> what pricks
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:37:34 < dony> nullvibe: is that for me? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:37:38 < Astaelan> dony: That little transceiver I posted does upto 115200 baud. I consider it slow speed, but...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:54:40 < Astaelan> Well, STM32F100's are $10 too
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2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:55:25 < FreezingCold> Astaelan: haven't been following, but hc-06/05 are like $4 for bluetooth serial
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:55:32 < dony> Astaelan: by latch do you mean connect?
2014-05.log:2014-05-23T23:55:33 < FreezingCold> 2.54mm connectors
2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:55:39 < Astaelan> nullvibe: That's why I do it as a hobby lol. But what you need to do, is just come up with ideas, build them, and get the experience. One day something will pop up that actually is useful and you can do a production run, then start your own shop :)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-23T23:55:56 < Astaelan> dony: Yes, it's generally referred to as latching when one device is paired to another. Pairing is another common term for it.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:31:37  * Astaelan won't say what he was doing with LED's a couple weeks ago.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:31:51 < Inkrement> So I jerry rigged em into my comps USB ports
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:31:51 < Inkrement> No bigs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:31:54 < Inkrement> Nothin happened
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:32:04 < Astaelan> No. You connected LED's to 5v USB with no resistors.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:32:05 < Inkrement> And I figured out what each of the pins control
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:26 < Astaelan> nullvibe: It'll draw all the current it can unresisted.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:38 < Astaelan> I'm surprised the LED didn't pop, short, and fry his USB port.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:50 < evilbetty> fry usb ports
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:52 < Inkrement> Dude, I'm like...McGuyver
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:55 < evilbetty> i had usb ports shoted
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:33:57 < evilbetty> shorted
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:12 < ohsix> why
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:15 < evilbetty> it is a jst connector where the metal pins hold in place with a little hook
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:30 < ohsix> because it's an arm?
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T01:41:31 < FreezingCold> god animals are annoying
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:32 < Astaelan> I have a hell of a time following this place. I read a message, flick eyes over to see who said it and it's moved 3 lines :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:37 < evilbetty> i multimetrered with my testprobes on those sides, actually pushing the little hooks in
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T01:41:46 < evilbetty> so the metal part of conenctor slided out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:31 < Walrus23> not sure
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:31 < Astaelan> ^ quote that.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:40 < Walrus23> LOL
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:27:42 < FreezingCold> I wonder how expensive fuel is for a rotax 914 (Predator drone uses that engine)
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:42 < Astaelan> "not beagle. it has EAGLE in it's name"
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:46 < Walrus23> bEAGLE
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:27:47 < nullvibe> just saw someone link an article somewhere on irc a week or so ago
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:28:33 < Walrus23> explain said pun
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:28:44 < nullvibe> yeah, well. go easy on me. I'm fragile and can't stand much PUNishment :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:28:49 < Walrus23> blergh
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:28:50 < FreezingCold> what's 87 AKI fuel?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:28:51 < Astaelan> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:12 < Walrus23> the only puns i know is when i type helo in an email to a networking lecturer and they get it...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:19 < FreezingCold> oh wow
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:24 < Astaelan> Walrus23: Simply put, he said it's not "beagle" because it should have eagle in the name, and well, beagle does.
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:26 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: 87 AKI = 87 octane
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:27 < FreezingCold> rotax engines use regular gas
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:29 < Walrus23> LOL
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:37 < Walrus23> yes i saw that, Astaelan
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:38 < Firehopper> https://www.flickr.com/photos/firehopper/14038379970/ < the arm for my flashlight :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:40 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: yes.  many of the Rotax engines run on mogas
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:40 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: yeah I thought you needed some special kind of fuel for aircraft engines
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:45 < Walrus23> i should make it clear, i'm not farmiliar with regex
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:29:51 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: wanna build a UAV with me?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:29:59 < evilbetty> regex can be learned
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:30:02 < evilbetty> and forgotten :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:30:05 < HTT-Bird> FreezingCold: its generally higher HP/higher compression aviation piston engines that use 100LL
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:30:12 < Astaelan> Walrus23: oh, well, regex is a pattern matching expression language.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:30:13 < HTT-Bird> say if you had a Beech 58
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:30:28 < Walrus23> ok
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:41:51 < Astaelan> http://www.udoo.org/features/ for those interested, bit up on the black.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:42:09 < evilbetty> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winnipeg_Is_a_Frozen_Shithole ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:42:19 < FreezingCold> HTT-Bird: Why are engines measured in hp first instead of kW...?
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:42:22 < FreezingCold> kW seems more useful to me
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:42:32 < JFK911> FreezingCold: Some countries do this.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:42:36 < JFK911> australia and japan?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:42:49 < JFK911> yes kw is more sensical
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:43:02 < evilbetty> i think my taxes are calculated on kW
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:44:06 < evilbetty> when they install a tracker in our car
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:44:09 < Astaelan> nullvibe: It has both a dual core, AND a quad core onboard.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:44:16 < evilbetty> to spy on where we are and when, and tax us for it
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:44:27 < FreezingCold> nullvibe: rockchip rk3188 or rk3066
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:44:48 < evilbetty> same cpu as in those android hdmi sticks
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:05 < ipatrol> HTT-Bird: when they are separate units, does the equalizer usually come before or after the mixer?
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:45:28 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1-Piece-New-ROCKCHIP-RK-3066A-RK3066A-BGA-IC-Chip-/271422558674?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f320b91d2
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:29 < evilbetty> don't you equalize he end result thats mixed?
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:45:29 < FreezingCold> interesting
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:32 < JFK911> i drive a "small for usa" 4 door car which consumes avg 9l/100km when i practice hypermiling techniques
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:34 < HTT-Bird> ipatrol: after, likely, although you can have EQs before as well
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:45:37 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: that's what I was suggesting to use
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:53 < evilbetty> me too 20 minutes ago but everyone ignored me
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:45:59 < nullvibe> here in the US, our kW are already taxed like crazy
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:48:00 < evilbetty> and dont most mixers have a effects in/out
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:48:01 < ohsix> someone put porq near the bbq and i was uncontrollably torn away from the stimulating conversation
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:48:36 < ohsix> FreezingCold: they are measured in kw, but in dumb america people speak horsepower!!11
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:48:50 < ohsix> also 'brake horsepower' is measured at the wheels
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:49:06 < FreezingCold> speaking of chips, is there any decent place to get one-off BGA assembly done?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:49:06 < ipatrol> HTT-Bird: assuming a rackamount-type unit
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T03:49:11 < FreezingCold> in china of course
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:49:15 < HTT-Bird> ohsix: wait until you run into an old diesel-electric loco, where tractive effort's measured in amps
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:49:34 < ohsix> old? all of them are diesel electric
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T03:49:55 < ohsix> why do they do it in amps, to sum all the engine outputs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:06:35 < Inkrement> I have zero idea what this thing is rated for though
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:06:47 < Inkrement> Asta: Honestly, I have no idea what my input is
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:06:50 < Inkrement> I think it's 5V
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:07:06 < Astaelan> Inkrement: well that's a start, figure it out. Grab a multimeter. And if you don't have one, unplug everything and go buy one,.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:07:15 < Inkrement> Yea, no
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T04:07:17 < Inkrement> I HAD one
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:15:32 < Astaelan> Yeah that's what I plan to do with this timer.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:16:03 < Astaelan> It'll be free running, every 1uS, and increment a tick count, from that the main code will use a "Delay" function that watches the count.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:16:32 < Astaelan> This is really just preliminary so I can test it all out, heh
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:16:45 < Astaelan> But, it helps me realize what utilitarian stuff I need to build for any other project I may do.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:17:53 < Astaelan> ohsix: So ignoring the prescaler value itself, it seems like prescaler takes it from core clock down to 1mhz here, and then period is now 1mhz, and is being adjusted again, to provide 1khz.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T11:17:59 < ohsix> HEHEH theres a clock security thing that assures nobody is tampering with the clocks
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:27:11 < ohsix> zap0: then what dictates whether to or too is appropriate in that place, in that sentence?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:28:06 < FreezingCold> gpio
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:28:07 < FreezingCold> gpio
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:29:23 < ShapeShifter499> general purpose input and output (pins)?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:29:27 < zap0> ohsix, the intent of the sentence dictated the appropriate word, it is likely in the right place grammatically, and spelled almost correctly, thusly it is not gramatically incorrect, it it merely a spelling problem.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:29:30 < Haffa> RTL DCTL RCTL DTL CTDL HTL ECL PECL LVPECL TTL MOSL CMOS BiCMOS I2L
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:29:32 < FreezingCold> shiftplusone: yep
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:29:34 < Haffa> deal with it.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:29:52 < FreezingCold> Haffa: in a childish gambino song it sounds like he's saying "gpio"
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:29:57 < kizzap> anyone know if it is ok to put some super glue into a ringing inductor that may or may not have been the victim of a dropped PCB?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:30:22 < Haffa> kizzap: try it and let us know of the results
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:33:40 < zap0> i disagree, and say it's 49/51
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:34:07 < anick> zap0: what if the misspelt word is another word ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:34:11 < ohsix> you're ignoring implicit information that i'm invoking in your and my understanding of english and language
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:34:50 < FreezingCold> Haffa: http://rapgenius.com/Childish-gambino-earth-the-oldest-computer-the-last-night-lyrics
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:34:54 < FreezingCold> at the end
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:34:55 < FreezingCold>  GPOY (x6)
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:34:59 < FreezingCold> Y sounds like I
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:35:20 < FreezingCold> and while awkward, GPOI is still correct
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:35:26 < ohsix> not like i can play the grammar game, i had to look that shit up
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:36:26 < zap0> anick, you have to choose either grammar or spelling as dominant, otherwise you are left with the academic lingistic dilemma, that this form of communication is nothing but cultural audio symbols.
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:36:32 < kizzap> ok so maybe not superglue, how about liquid electrical tape?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:36:50 < ohsix> and it's not a dilemma
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:36:51 < Cylta> http://imgur.com/IeCvKOX - how to calculate inductance of wave-winding? (when alpha is small, so radial lines are much closer, than tangential)
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:37:00 < zap0> kizzap  http://imgur.com/gallery/jPJhXbJ
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:37:17 < FreezingCold> zap0: that should be a gif
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:37:42 < zap0> FreezingCold, read 1st comment
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:37:45  * kizzap dances
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:37:54 < FreezingCold> zap0: I can't read
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:38:01 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T13:38:11 < FreezingCold> i'm psychic
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:38:15 < ohsix> 'di' means two, and there are very few true dilemmas, just like dichotomies!
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T13:39:13 < ohsix> what type of error did you make in describing the linguistic problems with ambiguity as a dilemma
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:32:50 < theBear> have we been comprimised ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:33:00 < theBear> i know i have, but that's not what this is about
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:33:01 < FreezingCold> wow, I'm amazed how many sites amazon hosts
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:33:03 < FreezingCold> they're fucking everywhere
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:33:14  * theBear suspects they are only on the web
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2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:34:04 < FreezingCold> it's funny, instagram is hosted by Amazon
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:34:04 < ohsix> heh i just got a captcha that said 'linux embed'
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:34:09 < FreezingCold> ..and they're owned by Facebook
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:34:18 < FreezingCold> you'd think facebook would have some extra server space eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:34:21 < ohsix> s3 is big
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:34:36 < ohsix> why would facebook take that over
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:35:00 < FreezingCold> ohsix: because it seems weird to pay another company to do something you've poured millions of dollars into doing yourself
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:35:20 < theBear> i'm surprised you could make out that many letters.... or am I thinking of captcha 2 - the reckoning perhaps
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:35:37 < ohsix> FreezingCold: but they didn't, heh
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:35:48 < FreezingCold> ohsix: they didn't what?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:35:54 < password2> capthca 2 is horrible
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:35:55 < FreezingCold> they own instagram
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:37:21  * intranick drags out the leads and hooks theBear  up
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:38:00 < password2> 5 turns!?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:38:09 < SuperBrainAK> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:38:14 < password2> you'll have the most horrible efficiency
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:38:41 < SuperBrainAK> what is the voltages in and out?
2014-05.log:2014-05-24T14:38:54 < FreezingCold> 5V in, 100V out?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:39:25 < password2> why?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:40:39 < password2> ...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:43:41 < password2> and?
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:43:52 < password2> the point of that statement being?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:44:26 < kizzap> leave it password2
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:44:39 < password2> nah
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T14:44:46 < password2> you want like 10mH
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T16:19:15 < evilbetty> 3
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T16:19:20 < evilbetty> 3 is a nice value
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T16:19:21 < kizzap> 7
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T19:14:37 < scottstamp> guanche, wut? This one's the LPC812 board, the v1, afaik it's compatible with everything but their really high-end stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T19:14:44 < scottstamp> And I think that's just an issue of clock speed
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2014-05.log-2014-05-24T19:15:04 < guanche> the lpcsxpresso I received had an lpc1114
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T19:15:06 < LeelooMinai> Long time ago I decided that ground wire is the one I verified to be ground - color is not important
2014-05.log-2014-05-24T19:15:26 < guanche> and another beefer one as a link to program it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T02:14:05 < Saginata> theMCmythos: maybe you're looking at the wrong ones?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T02:14:09 < Saginata> link
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T02:44:23 < FreezingCold> strawberry
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T02:48:45 < Oscillate> well lets finish off those gems
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T02:49:17  * FreezingCold pulls out his diamond rod
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:08:10 < FreezingCold> quiet here
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:08:31 < LeelooMinai> You scared everyone with the diamond rod
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:10:15 < upgrdman> they were in awe of his rod
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:11:16 < LeelooMinai> I think I am ready to go M0 -> M3, because, well, trace support
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:15:41 < JFK911> i think i had an m3 even before i heard there was an m0
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:15:47 < JFK911> now isnt there an m4?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:16:00 < LeelooMinai> Sure, but m0s are usually much cheaper
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:16:16 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: exactly
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:16:24 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: oh cool, which M0 do you have?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:16:29 < FreezingCold> STM32F0?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:16:31 < FreezingCold> Or NXP?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:16:35 < LeelooMinai> STM
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:16:55 < LeelooMinai> It's pretty nice, but I really want this trace functionality
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:17:09 < LeelooMinai> Also, some locking support that M0 does not have
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T03:30:33 < Engen> If we have a kmap that is entire full of 1's, does that correlate to just the selection of inputs that spawns that kmap?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:31:52 < FreezingCold> oh yay kmaps!
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:32:22 < FreezingCold> Engen: if the kmap is just 1s, you can assume that the output (A for example) will always be 1
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:32:24 < FreezingCold> so A = 1
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T03:32:31 < FreezingCold> and ignore the inputs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:00:12 < OoTLink> So we got 4th place in natcar lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:00:13 < OoTLink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcuWstRIXlU&feature=youtu.be
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:00:18 < Engen> FreezingCold: yep yep I follow
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:00:23 < Engen> hopefully this should work then
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:00:49  * Engen dislikes Xilinx
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:00:56  * Engen begins Verilog
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:02:39 < ohsix> JFK911: or where one bit is out of order on nearby pins or breaks the pattern (if not next to, in some order)
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:02:58 < bcsllc> anyone have minimodem installed on a Linux box ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:03:00 < GPF_1> thinks it's time for some conductance and susceptance
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:03:10 < FreezingCold> Engen: I follow what?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:03:12 < FreezingCold> yo OoTLink
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:03:18 < bcsllc> that is willing to encode a file for me ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:03:18 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: you caused a shitstorm fight the other day
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:03:28 < Engen> FreezingCold: what you said to do with kmaps
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:03:42 < FreezingCold> Engen: oh. short term memory here
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:03:49 < OoTLink> FC: how so?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:05:04 < antibuddha> im trying to draw a quadratic equation where it goes up to 20,000 on x axis and the fucking graph is only showing the first 5 numbers on x
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:05:05 < OoTLink> was it something about xilinx vs altera?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:05:07 < OoTLink> I doubt it lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:06:06 < ohsix> FreezingCold: heh no he didn't
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:06:24 < ohsix> OoTLink: someone made a comment about you being sick or something way after you left
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:06:29 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: Nope, ohsix and a bunch of other people were fighting over antiboitics
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:06:32 < antibuddha> LeelooMinai: are any of those u suggested me online java app
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:06:42 < OoTLink> OH
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:06:54 < OoTLink> lol wow I am surprised I started a shitstorm on that
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:04 < ohsix> good, because you didn't ;D
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:09 < ohsix> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:11 < ohsix> a/AURHAPRAIJFJIAPR
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:07:21 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: ohsix doesn't believe in evolution, so he didn't get my comment that use of antibiotics can be bad
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:28 < ohsix> antibuddha: don't take calories they cause obesity
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:07:34 < FreezingCold> ohsix: they do
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:34 < OoTLink> I took the antibiotic because I got bit and the bite didn't get disgusting or anything but it was considerably warm compared to the rest of my arm so
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:07:38 < ohsix> FreezingCold: no, that was your straw man
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:07:48 < FreezingCold> that was your mom
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:07:49 < OoTLink> the doctor suggested I take them if that happens so I did
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:03 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: speaking as your doctor, I would suggest not
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:04 < OoTLink> I think that's the 2nd time I've ever taken antibiotics ever
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:10 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i thought i was being fair in not bothering you about it after you said you weren't interested, to carry on like that seems to tell me that i shouldn't have
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:20 < ohsix> OoTLink: you're dead, you got the superbug
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:39 < ohsix> google confirms it
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:41 < FreezingCold> ohsix: i'm kidding here
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:47 < FreezingCold> I'm poking fun at OoTLink
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:48 < ohsix> FreezingCold: ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:48 < OoTLink> guess that would explain why my stomach has been crappy the past week
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:49 < OoTLink> lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:55 < FreezingCold> OoTLink is dying
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:56 < antibuddha> evolution requires that we keep dying from bacterial infections, unless u happen to be a valuable member of society then u can risk creating superbugs by eating your dam antibiotics
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:08:57 < OoTLink> so outside of that how's everyone
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:08:59 < ohsix> FreezingCold: ?????????? he literally didn't do anything, is that the joke?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:09:07 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: do you have any valuables I can have if you die?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:09:14 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: what's your net worth?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:09:19 < antibuddha> 5 dollars
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:09:20 < OoTLink> ok ok I might not be that valuable but I just got a job working on satellites
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:09:23 < OoTLink> .. so gimme a break lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:09:34 < ohsix> you would 'create' superbugs regardless of any single persons use of antibiotics
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:09:37 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: meh, I can probably fetch $50,000USD for your organs
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:09:51 < ohsix> you know what you do every day? you support a colony of living organisms in your arm pits and shoes, and gut
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:09:54 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: but it has to happen before you completely die, cause I can't sell a lot of them otherwise
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:10:27 < antibuddha> ohsix people also stink, so evolutionarily people stay away so as not to catch their superbugs
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:10:28 < ohsix> in your shoes especially, they live over time
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:10:35 < antibuddha> i dont wear shoes
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:12:54 < LeelooMinai> You can also run Ipython locally
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:13:12 < ohsix> OoTLink: it's not necessarily good to sterilize everything, cuz what you miss can be a problem; but what's left behind doesn't cause flesh eating diseases or something
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:13:26 < ohsix> they generally just smell and cause food to go off
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:13:32 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: what's lpython?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:13:37 < FreezingCold> and why would I use it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:13:45 < OoTLink> the reason I clean my keyboard/mouse a lot is I don't like them to get gross
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:14:05 < ohsix> OoTLink: yea i just ordered a new one because of one keycap: due to hair you can see on the back, though it is very clean
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:14:08 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: It's kind of Mathematica notebooks, but based on python + all python scientific libraries
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:14:12 < OoTLink> ew
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:14:15 < LeelooMinai> kind of like*
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:14:19 < ohsix> shruggin
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:14:25 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: why not just use python with math libraries?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:15:17 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: You don't see how a "notebook" is convenient?  YOu can put the equations there, graph them, manipulate, etc. and have this in one nice browser-viewable page
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:15:33 < LeelooMinai> It's interactive
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:15:35 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: oh.
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:15:43 < FreezingCold> I thought it was just a precompiled crap
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:15:47 < FreezingCold> *prepackaged
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:15:53 < ohsix> it would be nice to see someone use xul/xulrunner/whatever firefox stuff for notebooks, with first class mathml and a bunch of stuff it could be pretty sweet
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:16:20 < ohsix> then you wouldn't have to make it java and do a bunch of typesetting and have it be shit in a lot of respects
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:16:29 < ohsix> native audio io and junk, gl
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:30:37 < LeelooMinai> If someone murders him one day, he will have evidence on internet
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:31:23 < upgrdman> lolwut   nsfw    http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1400883990151.gif
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T04:32:55 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: that's ohsix's ride
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T04:34:44 < Triffid_Hunter> upgrdman: top up HCl occasionally.. etch is Cu(s) + Cu2+ --> 2 CuCl, regenerate is 2HCl + 2 CuCl + O -->2 CuCl2 + H2O. hm, I wonder if ozone would help?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T05:18:50 < hjf> http://i.imgur.com/maQ5YZT.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T05:19:17 < CESSMASTER>  :(
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T05:27:30 < azonenberg> http://www.amazon.com/Precision-Solder-Crucible-Earbud-Headphones/dp/B00K9X8OEM/ref=sr_1_14?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1400984790&sr=1-14&keywords=spray+flux+-remover
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T14:37:47 < intranick> "you brought a meth lab.. to the airport?"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T14:43:20 < bunder> 29 is still 29
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:31:12 < Polesch> I have never in my life seen a youtube video ad, how do they work?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:31:18 < Polesch> Long?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:32:47 < anick> what's really funny is that sometimes youtube will block a video "not available in your region" but they will not block the ads.
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:33:13 < Toneloc> Polesch-it varies, some will be 15 seconds duration and you must watch them
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:33:30 < Polesch> In the start of the video?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T15:46:09 < Polesch> Maybe they want to gain some marketshare in that area now that Google is losing credibility
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:17:08 < _abc_> "There?s also the question of their development process: they started building a router with an Arduino, then moved on to a Raspberry Pi, a Beaglebone, Intel Atom-powered Minnowboard, the Gizmo Board, PandaBoard, and Wandboard" - sounds familiar from discussions here >;) Not the SOAP, the 'development process'
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:21:45 < FreezingCold> _abc_: lmfao
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:21:52 < FreezingCold> I can't take anything with Arduino seriously
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:22:07 < _abc_> It's okay they are now copying an open source sister project.
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:22:08 < FreezingCold> it's like programmers saying they're going to create a super program using Visual Basic
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:22:12 < _abc_> Aka suck up to thy sister ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:22:47 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Avoid saying that with sarcasm in front of noble well paid ceo's. It may cost you your job. Thou shall not damage thy ceo's 'vision'.
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:23:04 < FreezingCold> _abc_: Sorry :( I'm really bad with sarcasm
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:23:06 < FreezingCold> I blame IRC
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:23:44 < FreezingCold> On a serious note, who actually develops using VB?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:01 < _abc_> Yes, unfortunately. Quite a lot of moderately serious apps are VB
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:04 < LeelooMinai> Masochists?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:05 < _abc_> Including in banking
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:24:11 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:18 < _abc_> More like Neanderthal browed idiots
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:24 < _abc_> Also Point of Sale stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:24:40 < FreezingCold> huh, who knew
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:48 < _abc_> and probably easily 90% of internal data reporting/visualization stuff used by small to medium companies
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:24:55 < MrMobius> Im writing VB code right now :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:24:57 < FreezingCold> I doubt anybody actually does this, but Qt is really great for developing GUIs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:01  * _abc_ kickbans MrMobius 
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:25:02 < FreezingCold> MrMobius: :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:10 < LeelooMinai> MrMobius: Should not said that... :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:17 < MrMobius> snobs :P
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:25:30 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: didn't you use VB for your database program?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:30 < _abc_> This is not about gui development. You get a vba control for <insert your wish here> plonk it on a screen, compile, app is done
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:30 < MrMobius> it cant be worse than coming here and saying you use an arduino
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:25:49 < FreezingCold> sounds like C++ libraries
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:25:50 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Are you insane? :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:25:59 < _abc_> It was Java of course!
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:26:01 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: you used something shitty windows language, no?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:08 < _abc_> And she coded her own version of Swing too
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:26:11 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I would take java over VB any day
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:15 < _abc_> Ugghh
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:28 < archivist> java...wash your mouth out
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:37 < chris_99> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU&noredirect=1
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:42 < _abc_> Let's talk about Java inheritance model in the context of aggregate database objects. Maybe not? Thought so.
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:26:48 < LeelooMinai> No, I used SWT - that's what Eclipse uses. It's a light layer on top of native controls + framework - it's pretty nice actually.
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:26:49 < FreezingCold> archivist: I wouldn't use it, but Java isn't nearly as bad
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:26:57 < FreezingCold> it's usually programmers who suck at Java and use it in awkward places
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:27:16 < FreezingCold> eBay's backend is written in Java IIRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:27:20 < chris_99> Java actually has a decent VM
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:27:23 < _abc_> I know very little Java - by choice...
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:27:34 < _abc_> chris_99: It has one now, was not the case for 15 years
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:27:45 < chris_99> _abc_, huh
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:27:59 < _abc_> 'what app starts up slower than the os boots'? - 'answer: any java app pre circa 1998'
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:28:05 < FreezingCold> _abc_: It's massively popular in the government and educational institutes
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:07 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:28:15 < _abc_> FreezingCold: So is VB...
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:28:17 < FreezingCold> _abc_: healthcare.gov was written in Java too
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:28:28 < FreezingCold> so you have two ends of the spectrum right there
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:28 < sabotender> I think Code:Blocks is superiour
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:32 < LeelooMinai> Also, most misconceptions come from the association Java == applets.
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:28:42 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: oh god applets are the worst idea ever
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:44 < _abc_> Also let's not talk about support library requirements. I have yet to see a machine that does not need an upgrade or downgrade of Java to run some <random> Jave proggie
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:55 < sabotender> Java? Excuse me while I go lose my lunch
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:28:56 < _abc_> *Java
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:29:02 < sabotender> blargh
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:29:04 < _abc_> So Java is portable cough.
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:29:07 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, programmed Java at work for years and I think I did not write one applet
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:13 < FreezingCold> wtf, eBay doesn't have ipv6?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:29:16 < _abc_> Strong men can carry it around ;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:24 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:28 < _abc_> FreezingCold: You some hacker dude?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:39 < FreezingCold> _abc_: always hacking them VB apps
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:43 < FreezingCold> backtracing IPs
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:29:52 < FreezingCold> we're on IRC after all, a meeting place for hackers
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:29:54 < _abc_> http://hackaday.com/2014/05/09/bunnies-laptop-gets-a-900mhz-scope-addon/ 900Msps scope...
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:30:03 < FreezingCold> but you need to get them online for at least 30 seconds to complete a trace
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:30:07 < sabotender> oh _abc_ turns out your suspicions were correct, it was a malfunctioning cap
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:30:15 < FreezingCold> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:30:16 < _abc_> Nice. Worky now?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:30:18 < _abc_> sabotender:
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:30:21 < sabotender> sure does
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:31:02 < _abc_> read the fricking text for a change LeelooMinai
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:31:06 < LeelooMinai> But ADC with that bandwidth costs hundred of dollars:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:31:23 < sabotender> strange thing is that the cap appeared normal on the outside. Oh well. Not that I am complaining. Just thought that they would usually expand slightly before kicking the bucket.
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T16:31:23 < FreezingCold> _abc_: watch that video
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T16:32:02 < apo_> http://p.0au.de/7edc9a07/magic2.png whee
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:31:06 < FreezingCold> why not use this cool thing called the internet for cooking?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:31:13 < FreezingCold> I hear it has everything
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:33:32 < JFK911> since i dont own an amd cpu my internet is not hot enough for cooking
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:35:28 < archivist> you need an intel P4 for cooking
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:40:46 < FreezingCold> my intel i3 cpu is sitting a lovely 66C
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:40:53 < JFK911> idle?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:40:59 < FreezingCold> just web browsing, music and IRC
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:41:11 < FreezingCold> but a part of the problem is that I'm on my bed
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:42:20 < JFK911> from a "indonesian cooking for westerners" book: "cook until the house is filled with its pungent aroma"
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:42:24 < LeelooMinai> Hmm... I have not checked CPU temp for years:)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:44:22 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/W3gWfqs.png
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:44:26 < LeelooMinai> rrd?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:44:43 < JFK911> http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:45:08 < FreezingCold> that's a desktop though
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:45:10 < FreezingCold> i'm mobile
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:45:16 < JFK911> you may have seen these graphs before as part of "cacti!"
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:45:27 < FreezingCold> I can actually smell warm plastic often
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:45:43 < LeelooMinai> Damn, but I remember in old PCs with some Athlons and what not I would get like 70C easily
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:45:43 < FreezingCold> not sure if it's the plastic softening or the glue
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:45:44 < JFK911> my portables dont run that warm
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:46:04 < FreezingCold> I throttling a little at 83C IIRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:46:17 < LeelooMinai> Those intel CPUs are pretty nice these days
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:46:27 < JFK911> yeah im surprised FreezingCold is so hot
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:46:34 < JFK911> maybe his fan broke or he clogged with dust
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:46:49 < FreezingCold> heh, it's not that dusty
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2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:46:58 < FreezingCold> fan is still going
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:47:02 < JFK911> id expect i3 to be like my i7's which are not that warm until they are heavily loaded
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:47:09 < LeelooMinai> Or used butter instead of thermal paste
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:47:15 < apo_> Huh... http://p.0au.de/7edc9a07/magic2.png the pullups R5/R7 and R6/R8 have the same values (10k pullup, 5.6k for the others). I'd have thought they'd be different
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:47:36 < FreezingCold> http://ark.intel.com/products/52220/Intel-Core-i3-2310M-Processor-3M-Cache-2_10-GHz
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:47:40 < FreezingCold> max temp is 85C
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:47:59 < LeelooMinai> It's going to die one day:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:48:03 < JFK911> apo_: ?? two of the same voltage divider?
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:48:11 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: IIRC people replace the thermal paste on Acer a lot because they suck at it
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:48:14 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: been going for years
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:48:16 < JFK911> apo_: they both drive the same transistor why not?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:48:24 < bunder> i think my i7 920 idles around 30 too
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:48:39 < bunder> no idea what my i5 laptop idles at, i know its hot
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:48:42 < JFK911> yeah and you cant do so much on an i3 as a 7
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:49:03 < FreezingCold> laptops are just hotter
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:13 < JFK911> i passed over the i3 stuff it looked like "the new celeron" to me
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:25 < bunder> doesn't help that window's acpi sucks
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:25 < JFK911> maybe i3 has some cache
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:26 < apo_> JFK911: they don't >_>
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:29 < LeelooMinai> E, they are still much nicer for the price
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:49:38 < JFK911> apo_: they both are same type
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:49:49 < FreezingCold> bunder: not running windows >3
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T17:49:51 < FreezingCold> * <3
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:50:22 < JFK911> bunder the cpuz hwmonitor tool is ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:50:40 < bunder> that's not free is it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T17:50:43 < JFK911> its smart enough to report on hard disks and gpus
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:11 < tawr> Polesch - phys.org
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:15 < JFK911> tawr: thats fine with me because most buyers wouldnt be checking
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:21 < bertrik> make a 3d printer using light :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T18:22:35 < FreezingCold> heh, I hope there's a new kernel out
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:36 < ketas> why 3d printer
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:39 < tawr> bertrik - lol don't think so
2014-05.log:2014-05-25T18:22:48 < FreezingCold> I wanna have an excuse to reboot
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:22:52 < ketas> you could just make the item
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:23:22 < tawr> i believe they're going to flash the world's brightest xray source at a gold cup, then right as it irradiates and is about to 'kaboom', they're going to be shooting a free electron laser into the other side and hopefully get something besides a 'bang' out of it
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:23:24 < JFK911> the radioactivity sounds better for the envrionment
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:23:31 < blackOff> lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:24:29 < Polesch> The only practical use I've found for gold is high conductivity with high corrosion resistance
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:24:57 < blackOff> yeah, that's pretty much all it's used for
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:27:36 < Polesch> That too
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:28:09 < bertrik> I've once sputtered gold in a sputtering machine
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:28:38 < Polesch> I personally think that profitable mining of asteroids is beyond the limits of reality. But who knows..
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:28:44 < usr_> if schematic just says 0.22 for capacitor, is that 0.22uf or 22uf ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T18:28:59 < JFK911> 0.22
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:18:06 < Polesch> Okay, first experience with KiCad is bad.
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:18:35 < LeelooMinai> Polesch: Do you have to use it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:18:46 < Polesch> No, what are some better alternatives?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:18:59 < LeelooMinai> I recommend DipTrace
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:19:08 < LeelooMinai> Or pirating Altium
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:19:31 < Polesch> So I downloaded this project, which is in .cmp .gpi .plc .sol .stc .sts
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2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:34:55 < Polesch> Anyone else disappointed that Sacha Baron Cohen won't play Freddie Mercury in the new movie?
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:35:24 < Jan-> potting
2014-05.log-2014-05-25T23:35:29 < Jan-> basically set it in epoxy resin
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T00:14:39 < nnumerals> that's probably 10x the size + get some better cells
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T00:14:56 < SpeedEvil> The numbers don't work unless you leave it in the sun.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T00:15:06 < SpeedEvil> And if you leave it in the sun, it gets dmagingly hot.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T00:15:25 < nnumerals> even if it's reflecting or using artificial light?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T05:38:08 < Casper> the problem is that at 14V, the car will want to take 100-200A
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T05:38:22 < JFK911> whys that
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T05:38:30 < Casper> drained batt = bad
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T05:38:51 < Casper> something have to limit the current
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T05:38:57 < Casper> until the batt is near full
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:31:09 < FreezingCold> What kind of equipment do you need to put a satellite connection on a RC plane?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:31:44 < theBear> heh, a satellite would be the tough bit :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:00 < zigggggy> BEAR
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:09 < ohsix> the radio
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:11 < theBear> hey, that's me !
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:23 < ohsix> iridium does all that junk
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:32:24 < FreezingCold> theBear: general dynamics did it somehow
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:24 < zigggggy> bear :) do you have breakfast?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:32:36 < FreezingCold> General Atomics*
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:36 < theBear> yeah, i spose that i do
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:32:51 < ohsix> they have satellites too, but you can't buy time on theirs
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:33:18 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I'm talking about using commercial satellites
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:33:33 < Casper> FreezingCold: you basically need a tracking dish
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:33:44 < ohsix> FreezingCold: http://www.iridium.com/ProductList.aspx?productCategoryID=2
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:33:45 < Casper> like those they use on boat...
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:33:55 < FreezingCold> Casper: right, but the Predator and Reaper don't seem to have one
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:33:58 < Casper> the problem is that the dish itself is kinda big
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:34:08 < Casper> link to photo?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:34:13 < ohsix> FreezingCold: the hump in the front is a radome
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:34:15 < FreezingCold> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/MQ-9_Reaper_CBP.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:34:25 < FreezingCold> ohsix: that's pretty small
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:34:34 < Casper> the bump at the front seems to be the hidden dish
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:34:42 < ohsix> actually pretty huge ... huhuuhuhuh
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:34:48 < ohsix> find images that show scale
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:35:35 < JFK911> but they do a lot of that
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:35:53 < JFK911> (this is why brazilian truckers can use the us military satellites)
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:35:54 < FreezingCold> ohsix: well, commercial planes do it for internet
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:36:03 < ohsix> evilbetty: heh they have other caches based on the screen size
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:36:07 < theBear> i got special bear juice
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:36:11 < Casper> FreezingCold: http://www.signalmarine.com/images/Product/large/58329.jpg
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:36:14 < ohsix> FreezingCold: not iridium :\
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:36:35 < FreezingCold> Casper: interesting, so it turns inside the dome
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:36:41 < Casper> yup
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:36:47 < ohsix> http://satphones.eu/en/satellite-phones/563-iridium-9523-core.html
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:36:54 < JFK911> i remember the first iridium ground station i worked at
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:37:14 < JFK911> i broke something and stayed there for 40 hours to fix it
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:37:35 < FreezingCold> ohsix: fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:37:36 < ohsix> racist
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:37:48 < ohsix> FreezingCold: costs even more to use it
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:37:52 < FreezingCold> can't I use a SDR or something?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:38:05 < JFK911> i think this handset is a SDR.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:38:09 < sabotender> moo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:38:30 < sabotender> zigggggy: o/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:38:58 < JFK911> Casper: it was before this site was activated, i had been trained on some control software but hadn't actually used it yet
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:38:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: $1,000 fo that?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:39:22 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Why can't I just use a commercial satellite that sells internet plans?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:39:23 < JFK911> Casper: i configured it improperly, it was undocumented and didn't handle errors well, i had to learn the technics behind it and reinstall it alll
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:39:34 < Casper> FreezingCold: I'ld say for RC you need something faster than that dish, but should be quite simmilar
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:39:53 < FreezingCold> Casper: would be fine if you limited the turning angle
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:39:55 < ohsix> FreezingCold: they won't sell you a receiver or antenna you can use
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:40:01 < FreezingCold> turning speed*
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:40:09 < FreezingCold> ohsix: can't I use my own and not tell them?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:40:25 < ohsix> can you with directv?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:40:26 < JFK911> are you sure viasat doesnt have any mobile vsat package
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:40:30 < Casper> FreezingCold: actually, you need very fast dish movement due to whatever wind you will get
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:41:31 < FreezingCold> ohsix: http://www.xplornet.com/plans-pricing/business-plans-pricing/
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:41:50 < FreezingCold> 5Mbps for under $100/m
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:42:06 < ohsix> keep looking
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:42:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: will viasat sell to you in canada?  because they resell for telesat in usa
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:42:25 < FreezingCold> JFK911: xplornet for sure does, I entered my postal code
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:42:27 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Why?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:42:42 < ohsix> 23:31 < FreezingCold> What kind of equipment do you need to put a satellite connection on a RC plane?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:43:09 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Aren't the uplink connection and equipment separate?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:43:17 < ohsix> are they?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:43:32 < Casper> FreezingCold: some operator may cut you if your signal vary too much...
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:43:39 < JFK911> look at the antennas on these drones that the cia remote controls from langley
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:43:53 < JFK911> they are flying 15,000 miles away
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:44:04 < FreezingCold> JFK911: again, that's my hardware, not the satellite right?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:44:14 < FreezingCold> Casper: They shouldn't be able to tell I'm flying based on that, rain has the same effect
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:44:15 < Casper> they do time sharing, and add some delays so the satellite receive all the data in the right order without overlaping and with the minimum dead time
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:44:25 < FreezingCold> oh I'm okay with lagging
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:44:35 < JFK911> if you don't lease a "channel" your uplink must request a timeslot for transmission
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:44:38 < ohsix> so now that your original question has been answered
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:45:01 < ohsix> what do you want it for
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:45:07 < Casper> few degree off and you fuck up another customer's signal
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:45:17 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh. heh. Still would work if I don't fly 24/
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:45:18 < FreezingCold> 7
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:45:30 < Casper> 15db separation or so depending on which polarity you use
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:45:32 < ohsix> cuz gsm will work, as possibly a microwave link, line of sight
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:45:44 < JFK911> my own experiments, i got 650 ms pings or so when i had an assigned timeslot
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:46:07 < FreezingCold> Casper: how do those "mobile" sat phones not fuck everyone up?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:46:07 < JFK911> it went up to 1400 when they changed the network to make everyone ask permission to transmit
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:46:15 < ohsix> huhuhuh @ having the device know about tower locations and automatically flying near them in case of signal loss
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:46:34 < Casper> FreezingCold: dedicated frequency, no other satellite can use those frequency
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:46:38 < Casper> so very wastefull
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:46:43 < ohsix> even assuming you have all this shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:46:49 < JFK911> this equipment used circular polarization, i dont think its easy to screw up like H/V
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:47:10 < ohsix> your local authority on air space won't license it, or if they find out, worse
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:47:43 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I'm not saying I'll do it, I'm just interested
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:47:44 < JFK911> so long as you dont fly by pearson's control tower on the way to crash the cn tower you will be ok
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:47:48 < Casper> you know, I always wondered how easy it is for law enforcement to actually figure out where a signal jammer is
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:47:59 < JFK911> Casper: requires luck for them.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:49:53 < Casper> JFK911: yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:50:16 < Casper> ohsix: sure, but the antenna is behind the police station
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:50:21 < JFK911> Casper: don't jam the reverse (input) control channel, it will simply switch to an alternate
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:50:21 < FreezingCold> Casper: I've heard the RCMP will find unlicensed radio broadcasts within a few days even if no major complaints are filed
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:50:33 < FreezingCold> if it's a DoS...
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:50:37 < FreezingCold> I would guess mere hours
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:50:37 < Casper> and I beleive they also have cellphone equipment
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:50:48 < JFK911> Casper: probably better to eavesdrop, a loonie says the key is something like 123123123, 00000000, 11111111 or something similar
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:50:54 < Casper> FreezingCold: I doubt that they would
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:51:05 < JFK911> these guys have poor memories and they fear proper key management
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:51:21 < Casper> JFK911: I'm not even sure that they encrypt
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:51:26 < FreezingCold> Casper: I have no proper sources, but that's what I heard anyway
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:51:28 < Casper> as the radio is available on the net
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:51:38 < FreezingCold> Casper: I can listen to local police scanners already lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:51:49 < FreezingCold> got my cute little usb sdr
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:51:57 < JFK911> Casper: I bought some of those radios because their frequency is interesting
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:52:11 < Casper> FreezingCold: but what I know is thay the CRTC don't care that those intelligent meters for electricity violate the laws
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:52:24 < JFK911> they came with a sticker saying the crypto stuff was removed per CSIS approved procedure
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:52:27 < Casper> grand mother's cordless phone is near unusable due to those meter
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:52:29 < JFK911> and they removed the digital board
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:52:45 < FreezingCold> Casper: isn't it just spamming 815MHz? that's unlicensed and they're under the power limit IIRC
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:52:46 < JFK911> Casper: why dont you eavesdrop on the meters then, you can learn how to feed them data
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:52:48 < ohsix> Casper: do they?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:52:58 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I wanted to do that, but I don't have one :(
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:04 < Casper> FreezingCold: somethging like that, but they violate the law
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:07 < ohsix> Casper: how are they licensed, i don't know canadas things
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:16 < Casper> the law say that the device must not cause interference
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:19 < FreezingCold> ohsix: they aren't licensed because they use the open spectrum
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:29 < Casper> correction
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:30 < FreezingCold> Casper: everything causes interference
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:33 < Casper> they stole the open spectrum
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:40 < FreezingCold> now that I agree on
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:44 < ohsix> you still have to keep your power levels and stuff in check in 'free' bands
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:53:45 < JFK911> other devices that use ISM are regulated under the idea that they must also accept any interference received
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:50 < Casper> FreezingCold: they broadcast continuously, jamming the frequency
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:50 < FreezingCold> ^
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:53:54 < FreezingCold> JFK911^
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:54:16 < FreezingCold> Casper: it's so sad, they could have created a provincial wide WiFi mesh for mere millions
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:54:17 < JFK911> that's from us part 15 i dont know crtc's ideas
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:54:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: we copy-pasta the US laws
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:54:31 < ohsix> so how do they remail illegal without canadas fcc' licensing them in the first place, or letting them keep running
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:54:39 < ohsix> remain
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:54:49 < FreezingCold> ohsix: again they aren't
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:54:56 < Casper> but the law in canada say: only licensed compagny that reside in canada can fill a complain with the crtc
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:54:58 < FreezingCold> [02:53:45] <Casper> FreezingCold: they broadcast continuously, jamming the frequency
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:55:05 < FreezingCold> that's all they do
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:08 < Casper> all those compagny are based in the usa
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:55:10 < FreezingCold> so very dickish, but legal
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:16 < Casper> so can not fill a complain
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:18 < ohsix> then not illegal
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:55:22 < FreezingCold> Right
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:32 < Casper> the crtc admitted that the meter was illegal
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:37 < Casper> but they received no valid complain
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:38 < ohsix> then they're not violating things
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:55:38 < FreezingCold> It's like if they just ripped up the first few feet of your lawn and left it like that for the lawls
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:40 < Casper> so won't act
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:55:41 < ohsix> which is it
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:55:50 < FreezingCold> Casper: link please
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:56:00 < FreezingCold> Casper: it better end in gc.ca
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:56:03 < Casper> FreezingCold: don't have it anymore
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:56:11 < Casper> and it was posted on the crtc web site
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:56:27 < ohsix> smart meter stuff is connected to 'radio sickness' woo and other bullshit in the US
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:56:46 < FreezingCold> Casper: I can't find it
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:56:50 < Casper> ohsix: actually, it can be true
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:56:52 < ohsix> i have to be careful evaluating statements like that
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:57:02 < FreezingCold> ohsix: this is the only site I found with information lol http://www.ve3ncq.ca/wordpress/?page_id=10
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:57:03 < Casper> those meters transmit in a too powerfull way too
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:57:05 < Casper> few watts
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:57:08 < FreezingCold> dat 1999 website
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:57:13 < FreezingCold> Casper: no they don't
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:57:36 < Casper> FreezingCold: yes they do, however the power rating that they say is: average power
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:57:42 < Casper> not peak power
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:57:45 < ohsix> Casper: we're talking about different laws, JFK911 and i know a bit about part 15 and generally don't see anything afoul of it by what you say
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:57:48 < Casper> I think it's 3W of power
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:58:07 < ohsix> if you transmit very rarely it can be fairly high
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:58:07 < Casper> average power is more like... 0.05W
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:58:37 < ohsix> FreezingCold: ack
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:58:39 < ohsix> This paper has become one of the highest ranked resources on the web addressing Smart Meter interference problems. This article has been updated to incorporate new research.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:58:49 < ohsix> 'research'
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:58:58 < FreezingCold> I didn't even read it
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T09:59:00 < FreezingCold> I just saw the website
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:59:14 < JFK911> Under part 15, you could operate other devices that broke the smart meters, but they should have some useful purpose
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:59:26 < JFK911> probably in canada youd be in kingston for that though
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:59:28 < ohsix> too much speculation immediately
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:59:42 < Casper> hydro quebec did a really dick move with the meters...
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T09:59:48 < ohsix> reads like concern trolling
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:00:13 < ohsix> i'm sorry you still have a 900mhz phone somewhere, fwiw
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:00:18 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:00:21 < FreezingCold> oh good
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:00:31 < FreezingCold> I thought I blew out a channel on my headphones
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:00:36 < JFK911> the 900mhz phone works around wifi and microwaves
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:00:38 < FreezingCold> i went from 22% volume to 90%
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:00:42 < FreezingCold> gave me a heart attack
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:00:55 < Casper> "all meter must be replaced by smart meter. If you want to stay with the old meter, you need to first let the installer install the new meter, then apply for the old meter. A meter change of (something like 350$) fee will be applied. A 200$ annual fee will apply for meter reading"
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:00:59 < ohsix> Technically, there is absolutely no way for any analog radio device to “filter out” this interference since it is co-channel interference and not a design deficiency. In other words, the undesired Smart Meter signal overpowers the desired signal on the same frequency, and there’s no filter or other technology that could eliminate it. The occurrence of interference is much more frequent than once “every minute or so” as stated. In one recent sampl
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:01:18 < ohsix> fm is resistant to that, and 'analog' AAAAND more than likely what all those devices use
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:05:02 < Casper> bbl
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:05:11 < ohsix> FreezingCold: this guy is dum
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:05:20 < JFK911> Casper: the true french canadian way to handle this is to incite labor unrest and encourage strikers to sabotage
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:05:24 < FreezingCold> ohsix: Who?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:05:31 < FreezingCold> ohsix: oh, the website dude?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:05:36 < ohsix> yea
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:05:56 < ohsix> I KNOW THIS TO BE FACT BUT THERE IS JUST THIS WEBPAGE
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:06:14 < ohsix> is this the canadian answer to 'rf gives me headaches'
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:06:43 < FreezingCold> haha
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:07:20 < ohsix> i am also not a lawyer but i will be posting statutes if i find relevant ones
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:07:41 < JFK911> are you sure you arent a lawyer?  you didn't call them statues
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:16:37 < ohsix> you'll mess with the current detect and feedback if you connect them together
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:17:43 < Jymmm> I need to send the laser a 12V and 5V signal, I was going to use a PC PS, if it wont' blow up anything
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:17:53 < ohsix> FreezingCold: can you find some info on those meters, specifically if they are 'class ii' devices
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:18:06 < FreezingCold> ohsix: meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:18:07 < FreezingCold> lazy
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:19:14 < ohsix> sure but i'm reading the statutes
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:19:16 < ohsix> :<
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:27 < JFK911> heres onie
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:27 < James_T> We have a times relay on our off-peak power
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:30 < James_T> *timed
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:23:44 < FreezingCold> JFK911: it wouldn't be terribly hard to do
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:23:51 < FreezingCold> but probably would result in jail time
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:52 < sabotender> i hate smart meters. my house will be off the grid and won't have one
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:53 < ohsix> http://www.altestore.com/store/descfiles/aee/kwhbases/ALRNEMA3RBASE_2_250px.jpg
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:23:54 < James_T> JFK911: you need smart meters for solar back-feed here
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:06 < ohsix> JFK911: i was also thinking of the mechanical ones i've seen / have; smart meters are going to have tons of space inside
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:26 < JFK911> ohsix: they still might have the relay mounted on the meter box, and the meter plugged into the relay
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:27 < evilbetty> its a fishing club, so there's ppl during the day, so i wrote a letter and put it in their mailbox this morning
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:28:29 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: call mom
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:38 < JFK911> ohsix: thats the style i've seen
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:47 < evilbetty> i dont have contact info otherwise i'd just call the responsible person at night
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:28:50 < FreezingCold> night peoples
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:56 < ohsix> http://emfsafetynetwork.org/smart-meters/smart-meter-fires-and-explosions/ HEHEHEHE
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:28:56 < JFK911> the police should be able to contact the RP
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:29:02 < JFK911> and issue an invoice for responding to false alarms
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T10:29:13 < ohsix> FreezingCold: o/ not illegal don't listen to cranks
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:29:22 < evilbetty> calling cops without a first talk/warning is something for city people who dont talk to eachother
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:29:57 < ohsix>  On December 18, 2012 a PG&E meter reader whistleblower tells the California Public Utilities Commission judge that:
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:33:07 < ohsix> Jymmm: yea, the time to talk shit about the old ones is passed :p
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:33:11 < OoTLink> err was reading an article about the fires
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T10:33:25 < ohsix> Jymmm: this could easily just be from replacing thousands of meters
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:29:26 < rkreis> fahadash: you mean FSK?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:29:31 < theBear> was just staring into the distance thru that kapitel schem/link from before... strikes me how very similar a oscillator/timer that runs on hvdc is to a standard household 'lighting dimmer switch'
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:20 < FreezingCold> oh fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:22 < FreezingCold> fuck fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:24 < FreezingCold> I can't believe I did that
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:25 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:31:26 < Leuthihi> theBear: Hmm, I like that idea. The problem is ther there's quite a bunch of extra resistors and caps for the 4N25 (probably to get a sane voltage for it) which kind of turns the whole thing into a more complicated network.
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:28 < FreezingCold> I lost out of a job because I forgot to click a link
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:30 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:32 < FreezingCold> fuck me
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:34 < FreezingCold> god
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:38 < FreezingCold> wh
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:31:40 < FreezingCold> why
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:31:59  * LeelooMinai smells magic smoke
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:32:23 < FreezingCold> fuck me
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:32:32 < FreezingCold> I can't believe I did that
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:32:51 < r0b-> what did oyu do?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:33:07 < FreezingCold> r0b-: so for this job, I passed the interview and everything
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:33:22 < theBear> Leuthihi, hmmm, 4n25 with a pullup( or down) driving the triac ? you can replace the input side of that with a led 'cos that's what the input side of it is, except you could see what your led is doing... but that only narrows it down to the opto or a resistor on the triac side of it or the triac
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:33:24 < r0b-> and?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:33:29 < FreezingCold> and they sent me some random testing stuff online which was required by their regulations (apparently they said it didn't really matter)
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:33:40 < FreezingCold> and I told myself I'd do the test tomorrow... and that was 10 days ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:33:46 < FreezingCold> the online test expired after 5 days
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:33:48 < theBear> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:33:50 < theBear> but... time to finesse my fly by the cuff sketti sauce and make some sketti to eat it with
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:33:59 < r0b-> ouch
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:34:17 < theBear> l8r dudes, enjoy your electrons
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:34:18 < FreezingCold> I'm going to try to bullshit it like I did the test and it just didn't go through
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:34:44 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Unless one of those people is in this channel, that is:)
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:35:07 < Leuthihi> theBear: I guess I'll try that first. (replacing the 4n25 input with a LED)
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:35:10 < FreezingCold> I still can't believe I did that
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:35:16 < FreezingCold> god
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:35:21 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:35:57 < cerberii> what did you do
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:36:40 < FreezingCold> [12:33:00] <FreezingCold> r0b-: so for this job, I passed the interview and everything
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:36:42 < FreezingCold> [12:33:25] <FreezingCold> and they sent me some random testing stuff online which was required by their regulations (apparently they said it didn't really matter)
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:36:43 < FreezingCold> [12:33:36] <FreezingCold> and I told myself I'd do the test tomorrow... and that was 10 days ago
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:36:44 < FreezingCold> [12:33:42] <FreezingCold> the online test expired after 5 days
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:36:56 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Tell them you thought the test was a phishing site
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:37:09 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: they told me about the test during the interview
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:37:34 < LeelooMinai> Tell them you thought someone was impersonating their interviewer
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:38:10 < FreezingCold> really the only way out I have is to pretend I did the test and it just didn't work
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:38:19 < Jackies> hello all
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:38:33 < Jackies> hey tawr ,remember me? :D
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:38:56 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: They will be suspicious anyways, so your are sol probably already
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:39:08 < FreezingCold> heh fuck
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:39:37 < madisk> you should respect your subconscious.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:39:44 < Jackies> guys, wanted to ask if anyone got any info about the russian npn transistor KT805
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:39:54 < madisk> if you postponed the test till it was too late, your subconscious didn't want you to get that job.
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:39:56 < FreezingCold> god
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:40:04 < Jackies> I can't find any cross reference to it, do anyone know its manufacturer
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:40:05 < FreezingCold> madisk: I simply forgot about it
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:40:11 < zap0> in soviet russia transistor switches you
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:40:11 < madisk> FreezingCold: yeah right.
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:40:17 < FreezingCold> madisk: it didn't cross my mind until I got a message this morning about another jon
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:40:19 < FreezingCold> *job
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:40:34 < FreezingCold> and was like "hey, what about the other job?"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:41:07 < madisk> its probably a fear of change and fear of leaving your parents home, buried deep in your id.
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:41:28 < FreezingCold> but I submitted all the paperwork for the other job...
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:41:36 < FreezingCold> which just pays less lol
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:42:34 < FreezingCold> $15/h vs $22/h
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:43:20 < fahadash> rkreis, Yes. theBear, FSK
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:43:51 < fahadash> I am trying to think of a design which turns power on or off based on just the shift of frequency
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:45:10 < FreezingCold> fuck me man
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:45:13 < FreezingCold> I'm so upset
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:48:29 < FreezingCold> and it's completely my fault
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:49:21 < fahadash> move on
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:49:31 < fahadash> You'll be someplace else, someplace better soon
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:50:06 < FreezingCold> $22/h starting?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:50:29 < FreezingCold> my runner up job that I'm calling back about today (which may just be to tell me I didn't get it) is $15/h
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:50:58 < Leuthihi> theBear: when I remove the 4n25 and put a LED where its input is supposed to be, it indeed flashes shortly when I short the trigger.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:51:07 < fahadash> FC, Why not if you deserve it ?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:51:26 < LeelooMinai> fahadash: That sounded like something told to person that is jut dying
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:51:37 < FreezingCold> fahadash: =/
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:51:54 < edoardo> x /= 2
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:52:05 < FreezingCold> I think I'm worth at least two minimum wage crackheads, not only one and a half
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:52:07 < LeelooMinai> x>>1
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:52:14 < FreezingCold> (minimum wage is $10.75)
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:52:20 < edoardo> LeelooMinai, i was just going to write that :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:00 < fahadash> Screwing up and losing job is normal human behavior.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:06 < fahadash> It happens
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:53:16 < JFK911> FreezingCold: maybe you should apply for disability pension
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:26 < edoardo> think about who hasn't got any job
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:53:27 < JFK911> FreezingCold: obviously if that slipped then you cannot control your thoughts
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:29 < LeelooMinai> Excuses, excuses
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:31 < edoardo> like me ;_:
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:53:45 < FreezingCold> JFK911: ironically the job I'm hoping for now works with the disablied
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:53:50 < FreezingCold> disabled*
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T19:53:54 < fahadash> see ya
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T19:54:05 < FreezingCold> fahadash: I guess, thanks
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T20:27:04 < JFK911> thats why i figured you had an hp when you said 32v
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T20:27:38 < FreezingCold> yuck, 32V
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T20:27:44 < FreezingCold> bitch please, 24V
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T20:28:49 < Leuthihi> plot twist: it's a plotter
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:32:15 < blackOff> and not working on more
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:32:25 < LeelooMinai> Yes, the earth will tip off to one side and it will crash
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:32:52 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:32:53 < blackOff> i'm just curious why they don't powergrid the roads and use electronic/laws of physics
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:32:56 < FreezingCold> so I accepted a job offer!
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:32:58 < blackOff> they're screwing everyone over
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:32:59 < JFK911> interesting do you think we could alter the orbit or other behavior of earth by moving lots of mass to one side
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:01 < madisk> http://www.mds975.co.uk/Images/radios/737kcs_crystal_Group-H_John_Skykes_001.jpg
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:33:05 < FreezingCold> I'm now employed and unpaid!
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:33:06 < FreezingCold> yayyyy!
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:09 < blackOff> it's madly stupid
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:33:13 < JFK911> FreezingCold: nice, what's your job?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:20 < blackOff> everything underground would be 100x better for the entire planet
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:33:27 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I setup and sometimes repair health care equipment
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:28 < _abc_> JFK911: We just tell everyone we buried $1000 in one place and all stupidity will storm that place. That should do it.
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:30 < blackOff> and we technically wouldn't require mass transit
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:33:34 < FreezingCold> JFK911: mostly wheelchairs I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:45 < blackOff> you could go at nearly any speed
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:33:55 < blackOff> all you have to do is keep grounded
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:34:08 < blackOff> literally impossible to do anything but spin out
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:34:10 < blackOff> like mariokart
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:34:39 < _abc_> FreezingCold: Explain the unpaid part?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:34:45 < FreezingCold> _abc_: er
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:34:48 < FreezingCold> underpaid*
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:34:51 < blackOff> i don't trust the world's leaders
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:34:51 < FreezingCold> typo
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:34:57 < blackOff> they are fucking dead people walking
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:34:57 < FreezingCold> I'm paid, just not enough
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:35:01 < blackOff> 100% of them or greater
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:35:28 < _abc_> archivist: Is this a thing for Cold War style bomb warning things or something else? https://www.flickr.com/photos/russell_w_b/152501300/in/photostream/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:24 < _abc_> csmrfx: But you can use an adapter and then it works
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:30 < pnorman> nVidia cards let you use 3+ monitors without using displayport, right?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:34 < _abc_> csmrfx: Typically costs $5 or less
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:37:40 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I'm getting $15/hr
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:45 < csmrfx> _abc_: can you tell me why not?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:37:53 < FreezingCold> which I guess isn't horrible for an 20/18 year old
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:54 < _abc_> csmrfx: Different physical shape!
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:37:56 < csmrfx> UK probably relies on hot being at one side
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:03 < pnorman> I suppose it doesn't matter, given I have the adaptor
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:25 < csmrfx> _abc_: I mean, can the power wire be changed
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:41 < _abc_> Normally you cut off the plug if molded and put on a plug for your country
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:42 < csmrfx> or is there more to UK wall outlets than there is to euro
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:38:43 < FreezingCold> yay i can update my linkedin account lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:47 < blackOff> $15/hr is huge
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:49 < archivist> dont know, but do know this is the detector electronics for the bomb http://www.collection.archivist.info/searchv13.php?searchstr=pd1044
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:38:52 < _abc_> csmrfx: No, the rest is the same.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:39:40 < blackOff> or damn near a decent sized house / year
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:39:59 < blackOff> without OT
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:40:26 < blackOff> you can buy 5,000 sq. ft of drywall for $1000
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:40:40 < FreezingCold> blackOff: sarcasm?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:40:41 < JFK911> super, i can have cheap paper walls
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:40:42 < blackOff> all your appliances for around $8k
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:40:50 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: you could just fiber it up
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:40:59 < blackOff> a bathroom is around $5k
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:13 < _abc_> archivist: So is that one of the warning thingys or not?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:21 < _abc_> The box shown
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:27 < csmrfx> Do you think that a UK 240V device could always rely on hot being on one side, only?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:32 < blackOff> a basement makes things sorta expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:41:35 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: lol... what does "fiber it up" mean in your strange language? :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:36 < _abc_> (or can't you talk about it...)
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:41:43 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: FIBER IT UPPPPPP
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:41:55 < blackOff> cement is $1/12"x12"x4"
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:42:04 < csmrfx> I mean - shuko can be inserted in 2 different ways, but UK plugs only one way
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:42:05 < LeelooMinai> "Yo, just fiber it up dawg!"
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:48:34 < FreezingCold> blackOff: again, why?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:48:36 < FreezingCold> it's not
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:49:04 < blackOff> marijuana plants grow like 7ft in 3mo
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:49:09 < blackOff> how big of planks do you need to be happy in a home
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:51:12  * erik-k supposes it's all a matter of perspective... A reasonably sized house for a family around here would be ~5 year's work to buy at $15/hr, assuming zero taxes or any other expenses...
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:51:45 < blackOff> depends, you can always buy one now and build later
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:51:55 < FreezingCold> erik-k: I don't want a family, so I'm good there
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:02 < blackOff> you see a lot of 3bed/2bath for $35k
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:03 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:12 < sabotender> talking about building a house?
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:12 < blackOff> i say add about $5k/year
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:23 < blackOff> until you have everything
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:52:30 < FreezingCold> the main reason I'm not too upset is because I'll probably quit in September to go back to school
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:31 < erik-k> o_O where on earth is this?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:52:32 < FreezingCold> which I didn't tell them
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:33 < sabotender> I am way ahead of you lot there, as I actually plan on building one and have been planning for the past three yeards
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:35 < blackOff> shingles are about $1/sq ft
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:37 < sabotender> *years
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:52:48 < FreezingCold> yeah I can't buy a house here that works for under $200,000
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:52:53 < FreezingCold> even that would be pushing it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:52:58 < blackOff> all across the US
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T21:52:59 < FreezingCold> a "family" house costs $400,000
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:53:06 < blackOff> except metropolis areas
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:53:24 < sabotender> ew and I hate prebuilt cookie-cutter homes that are built like a stack of cards...with all that wood and sheetrock
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T21:53:29 < blackOff> if you're buying from a bank, they are ripping you off
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:00:59 < edoardo> this rtl8186 gets so hot
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:01:06 < madisk> must be very disorienting to go from a trailer to a 3000 sqft house
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:01:44 < sabotender> madisk: I was trying to push the conversation to wind and solar talk which IS on topic in this channel
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:01:46 < FreezingCold> why do I smell gas?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:01:54 < edoardo> FreezingCold, i farted
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:02:03 < FreezingCold> no, like car gas
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:02:06 < FreezingCold> gasoline
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:02:06 < sabotender> stop breaking wind
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:02:08 < edoardo> FreezingCold, i farted
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:02:33 < sabotender> petrol? were you recently in a car with leaky injectors?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:02:36 < FreezingCold> brb going to see what's up
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T22:02:44 < FreezingCold> sabotender: it's coming from the backyard I think
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:02:49 < sabotender> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:03:11 < blackOff> what about nuclear talk
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T22:03:20 < blackOff> you can own the power plants in the US
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:34:57 < zigggggy> during the day time or night time?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:35:13 < theBear> i dunno, are you tough ?
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T23:35:16 < FreezingCold> [16:32:42] <sabotender> bleh, swampy pits
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T23:35:17 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:35:17 < ketas> hmm... i have 238v in mains
2014-05.log:2014-05-26T23:35:29 < FreezingCold> ketas: british>
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:35:32 < zigggggy> bear not as tough as a bear :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:35:32 < ketas> no
2014-05.log-2014-05-26T23:35:37 < theBear> better than 255
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:00:31 < ShapeShifter499> I have a adapter that appears to be a DA-15 to usb (for a old joystick I have) can I use it for a jtag adapter?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:00:48 < ShapeShifter499> Even if I have to do a little diy mod
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:00:52 < FreezingCold> DB15 *
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:00:53 < ketas> theBear: why you don't sleep
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:00:57 < FreezingCold> and no, it's not jtag
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:00:57 < csmrfx> I lose insurance cover if I do psu repairs
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:00:59 < FreezingCold> it's serial
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:01:02 < FreezingCold> there's a difference
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:01:06 < ShapeShifter499> hmm
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:01:11 < FreezingCold> people use the words interchangabely
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:01:33 < jimi_hendrix> JFK911, thanks! anything else i should be aware of for audio stuff that i might not think of?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:01:42 < ketas> theBear: i hope your physical problems will not cause any pain when sleeping?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:01:45 < theBear> ketas, i dunno, never expend any energy, don't drink enough anymore, don't smoke enough anymore, disturbed in the head, maybe my dreams were too loud or something ?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:02:40 < JFK911> jimi_hendrix: these are big enough that they should be nice though
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:02:43 < hjohnson> man, why are those little rotary switches so bloody expensive?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:02:54 < ketas> gameport adapter for usb?
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:02:54 < FreezingCold> theBear: but they're often used for serial
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:03:01 < hjohnson> I'm looking for a little octal selector switch like you used to have for setting SCSI ID
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:03:02 < ketas> basically adc?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:03:05 < JFK911> jimi_hendrix: also i heard guys say edcor trafos are very nice
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:06:31 < hjohnson> :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:06:43 < hjohnson> DIP switches may be the way to go, tbh
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:06:56 < ketas> how many id's you need?
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:07:14 < FreezingCold> dip it up
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:07:21 < hjohnson> only like 8
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:07:35 < ketas> hmm, how many you get with 2
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:07:36 < ketas> 4?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:28:37 < oscillate> I bought a piece of beef tenderloin earlier for $7.99 a lb,its about 3.5lbs and I'm going to cut it into 3 or 4 steaks and flame kiss it
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:28:46 < hjohnson> nice
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:28:57 < hjohnson> with a piece that size though, i'd be tempted to slow roast it
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:29:05 < FreezingCold> heh fuck
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:29:13 < FreezingCold> I'll only make like $500 a week after taxes probably
2014-05.log:2014-05-27T00:29:15 < FreezingCold> some bullshit
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:29:15 < hjohnson> (for easter, I did a wonderful bonless leg of lamb)
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:29:41 < hjohnson> stuffed the bone cavity with sauteed onion/shallot/rosemary/salt/pepper and coated the outside in the same.
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T00:29:47 < hjohnson> turned out fantastic
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:29:41 < upgrdman> made some progress on my constant-current boost converter for my 100W LED :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVEzkq3qxXQ
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:30:41 < Casper> it's funny how "easy" it is to make CC OR CV... but CC AND CV is a real pita :(
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:30:43 < Lokomotiv> upgrdman, why so complicated?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:31:15 < Lokomotiv> upgrdman, I have several of those, but have not had enough time to work on them
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:31:23 < upgrdman> what's complicateD?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T07:32:02 < Triffid_Hunter> Casper: well CC and CV would require a constant load
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:07:53 < MjrTom> a transistor, a thumb tack, a ball of putty, and some aluminum foil...
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:07:57 < Casper> stiv2k: can be different voltage
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:08:04 < cerberii> its better to do it when it works than to brick it and then try replacing stuff
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:08:06 < Casper> stiv2k: it depend on the turn ratio
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:08:16 < Triffid_Hunter> cerberii: but it seems to me that as long as 1) you want the new sound driver, 2) the new driver doesn't support your bios and 3) your OS can't read DSDT tables correctly, then you're gonna have to rehack the new bios image
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:08:55 < cerberii> yah or i guess I could try installing the new sound driver in winblows
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2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:14:41 < stiv2k> cerberii: interesting... is it hard to do? what are you trying to do then?
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:14:53 < Triffid_Hunter> stiv2k: that's what virtualbox is for
2014-05.log-2014-05-27T08:15:20 < cerberii> i've even run it on an amd machine or two, but its far too unstable
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:53:05 < Polesch> Yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:53:06 < Loshki> Polesch: fifth time is a charm. Adjust your technique before it kills you...
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:53:10 < guanche> or is it just some range, ah
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:53:23 < Fleck> JFK911: not working w/o connection, or I messed something, replacing with LM358 did the trick... :/
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:54:21 < guanche> would like to see how it works
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T00:58:52 < FreezingCold> Can you forward texts or na?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T00:59:45 < Loshki> !help
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T00:59:59 < FreezingCold> !fuckoff
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T01:00:17 < Loshki> FreezingCold: talking to me?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:01:16 < guanche> heh, I thougth that to-92 was a 7805 or similar
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T01:01:24 < FreezingCold> Loshki: sure lol
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:02:14 < guanche> have you checked the triac is switching properly Polesch? if that's a triac
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:02:32 < Polesch> Which?
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T01:02:36 < ohsix> FreezingCold: boo
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:02:54 < guanche> the to-92 at the left side Polesch
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:21:00 < BW^-> ohsix: i can't buy those here
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:21:36 < ohsix> you can use their datasheets
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:21:42 < BW^-> um aha
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:22:04 < BW^-> ohsix: do you see that their datasheets have matches compared with the two URL:s I gave above?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:22:18 < guanche> it looks like a small 3 phase induction motor, the black encoder is what the diodes on the board (on the white thing) use to check the rpm's Polesch
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:22:32 < guanche> that black plastic-like gear
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:07 < ohsix> guess what happens with a warm restart
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:10 < LeelooMinai> LOng time ago decided that not having UPS is a bit silly
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:25 < ohsix> takes like 3 minutes to probe all of them
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:38 < koolatron1> zigggggy: one sec got sidetracked by work n stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:39 < ohsix> what he did was totally silly amirite
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T01:39:48 < LeelooMinai> Unless you have some crappy PC you don't care of, and do not use it much
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:10:54 < zigggggy> koolatron yeah but what about all the other averagely compensated people who need housing there?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:10:59 < ohsix> i'm constantly trying not to completely write you off
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:11:37 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: Do you even know how hilarous it is you thinking I don't understand something and making those elaborate "proofs"
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:11:48 < ohsix> now i'm wondering what the term is for intellectual telegraphing
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:11:49 < LeelooMinai> ohsix: It's just absurd
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:26:11 < veek> gets boring saying the same old hihi's
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:26:19 < JFK911> herro
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T03:27:19 < ohsix> whoops
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:41:08 < WilliamWS> dhrosa oh, sorry I just thought about the nick name because it sounds like some asian word
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:41:22 < hagbard> WilliamWS: any other particulars on that h-bridge? current requirements? MOSFET? BJT?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:41:55 < WilliamWS> ohsix, I need to find one that my supplies can find.
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:42:10 < FreezingCold> can you just join two 3.5mm plugs and they'll play at equal volumes?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:42:17 < ohsix> onsemi second sources parts, you can probably find one with a common part number
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:42:19 < FreezingCold> or is that going to be bad for the devices?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:42:29 < WilliamWS> hagbard, I just want to drive a bipolar step motor of say 1A max
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:42:59 < ohsix> http://www.onsemi.com/PowerSolutions/parametrics.do?id=407
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:43:23 < ohsix> from a quick look those are almost all second source
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:44:31 < FreezingCold> Is it okay to connect two 3.5mm outputs to a single 3.5mm input?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:45:03 < WilliamWS> FreezingCold, depend on whwere those 2 outputs came from
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:45:33 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: you need resistors if you want to mix them.. line-level outputs probably won't get damaged but headphone outputs are another story
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2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:45:53 < mrdata> FreezingCold, is this audio?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:45:56 < WilliamWS> Hello Triffid_Hunter, how are the kangroos?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:46:09 < WilliamWS> mrdata \o
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:46:14 < jimi__hendrix> so im reading about amplifiers, and the book talks about how gain, from the perspective of the output stage, makes the load look bigger. why is that?
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:46:19 < FreezingCold> Yes, this is audio
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:46:19 < mrdata> hi WilliamWS
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:46:21 < mrdata> wassup
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:46:27 < FreezingCold> WilliamWS: two cell phones
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:46:37 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: I was going to ghetto "mix" them by adjusting the volume on each
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:47:02 < mrdata> iirc, RCA cables are something like 48 ohm impedance; the audio signal is supposed to be +/- 1 volt P2P
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:47:26 < WilliamWS> FreezingCold, are you planing to record the cellphone audio using a computer soundcard or something similar? If true, well you need some smoothing way to mix then.
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T04:47:41 < FreezingCold> WilliamWS: it's going to go to a car's aux
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:47:44 < mrdata> so, if each gets a 50 ohm R, is that good enough, Triffid_Hunter?
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T04:48:06 < WilliamWS> ohsix, I am checking onsemi for parts that I pray for every god to find on the nearest shop.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:03:12 < Triffid_Hunter> mrdata: line out typically expects to see at least 600R, headphone outputs are happy down to 8R or so
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:03:22 < boostedcabbage> veek: yeah. was rhetorical
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:03:27 < veek> :p
2014-05.log:2014-05-28T05:03:32 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: the volume changes the voltage of the output, not the impedance or current which is what's relevant here
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:03:54 < Triffid_Hunter> if you have one headphone output pulling positive as hard as it can while the other one pulls negative as hard as it can, you're asking for something to go pop
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:04:07 < Triffid_Hunter> and they'll pull as hard as they can even for tiny signals if the output impedance is too low
2014-05.log-2014-05-28T05:04:21 < WilliamWS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwDOUYV2peg <= nice anthem.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:38 < Jan-> whoops
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:38 < Jan-> what's that for
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:39 < Jan-> emergency backup for several nuclear power stations?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:39 < mofomeat> nucular
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:39 < dhrosa> nyukular
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:39 < Jan-> oh yeah right
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:01:39 < dhrosa> oh, as in multiple kinds of flux?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:01:49 < FreezingCold> hey so at work today I was looking at a limit switch
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:02:07 < FreezingCold> and they had a diode and a resistor between the signal and the output
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:02:09 < FreezingCold> Why?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:02:36 < dhrosa> SpeedEvil: http://www.elexp.com/ProductDetails.aspx?item_no=060702&CatId=c98e6dbc-415b-4cfe-8661-15f3ec0b88ec :D
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:03:05 < dhrosa> i'm confused by how many names element 14 has
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:03:09 < FreezingCold> the software is broken so I'm just gonna throw a wire across the diode and resistor to constantly activate it
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:03:12 < dhrosa> I think they're Newark here in the US
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:03:33 < SpeedEvil> multicore is solder with lots of tiny cores of flux, not one single one
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:03:46 < FreezingCold> so yeahh, wtf are the diode and resistors for?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:03:48 < dhrosa> interesting
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:03:56 < mofomeat> what irc client are y'all using, btw?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:13 < SpeedEvil> quassel
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:24 < superbia> weechat
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:26 < LeelooMinai> quassel here too
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:04:36 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK: why not hexchat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:45 < mofomeat> or sexchat?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:54 < LeelooMinai> exchat
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:04:58 < superbia> bitchx
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:00 < ShadowJK> FreezingCold, didn't learn of its existence until quite recently
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:05 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai isn't getting enough action?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:18 < superbia> things are getting a bit stiff down there
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:20 < mofomeat> superbia we might be the only 2 using bitchx still
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:22 < LeelooMinai> I am - looking at small fpgas now
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:30  * FreezingCold unzips
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:35 < FreezingCold> OHH FPGAS
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:35 < ShadowJK> I went through a BitchX phase
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:43 < ShadowJK> are any of the BitchX people still around?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:44 < FreezingCold> YOU MOVE SO PERFECTLY
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:49 < superbia> mofomeat: ur alone.. im on weedchat
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:57 < FreezingCold> OHH H GOD YES SWITCH LIKE THAT
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:05:59 < mofomeat> hah
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:05:59 < FreezingCold> FASTER
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:06:12 < ShadowJK> The BitchX people were kinda shady :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:06:23 < superbia> boots with the FUR
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:31:00 < sabotender> pardon?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:32:13 < Jan-> fniggh?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:32:46 < FreezingCold> so at work today I was looking at a limit switch , and they had a diode and a resistor between the signal and the output. Why?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:32:51 < FreezingCold> the software is broken so I'm just gonna throw a wire across the diode and resistor to constantly activate it
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:34:32 < hjf> shit
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:34:39 < hjf> apple paid $3B for Beats
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:34:53 < sabotender> FreezingCold: good question. sounds pretty silly. unless it was an LED or something, but then it would still be silly
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:35:02 < sabotender> hjf: beats? overpriced headphones?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:35:03 < FreezingCold> sabotender: it looks silly
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:35:09 < hjf> sabotender: yes
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:35:21 < hjf> sabotender: to match overpriced computers
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:36:05 < sabotender> FreezingCold: it would be silly if it were an LED to let the user know that there is activity on that line, I would never do it that way. But I guess they need to sink some current and prevent a backdraw for some reason?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:36:18 < FreezingCold> sabotender: there's no LED
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:36:21 < sabotender> I know, it all sounds stupid and I am grabbing wildly in the air for reasons
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:36:22 < FreezingCold> it's inside a controller
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:36:28 < sabotender> oh
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:36:37 < sabotender> a protection circuit maybe?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:36:48 < FreezingCold> well yes, but why?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:37:09 < FreezingCold> like the wires are a foot long, if it's that sensitive, won't they get fucked up from noise?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:40:14 < sabotender> FreezingCold: depends on the wire
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:40:27 < sabotender> are these wires shielded? or just plan jane wires
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:40:35 < FreezingCold> but heh, so think it's okay to solder it?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T01:41:56 < sabotender> what the wire? as long as you remember to tin it first, I don't see any reason why not. But I would like to see what that thing is
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:45:20 < FreezingCold> hell I can't even get the switch out of the socket, it's gonna be a shitty solder job lol
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:47:00  * sabotender eyes FreezingCold. What is this switch you are referring to
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:47:40 < FreezingCold> it's a safety limit switch on an cylinder
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T01:48:50 < FreezingCold> the software is fucked up and I don't have a dev kit or the time to figure it out
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:53:58 < AR__> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:54:11 < GyrosGeier> so "active high", "inactive very high"?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:54:33 < SpeedEvil> GyrosGeier: Logical high - active - may not be a high voltage.
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T02:54:36 < FreezingCold> nice, I set up a little call forwarding loop between my personal and work phone
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:54:37 < SpeedEvil> REad thedatasheet.
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:54:47 < SpeedEvil> If it has a little line over it, it's active low.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:56:50  * zigggggy looks inside refrigerat0r
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:57:01 < GyrosGeier> ah
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T02:57:08 < JFK911> FreezingCold: so you got work now eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:57:09 < Firehopper> hey zig :)
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:57:12 < zigggggy> Firehopper is it true that you can hop over fire?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T02:57:17 < GyrosGeier> "high" is defined as "above supply voltage"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:02:18 < AkashicLegend> PoE?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:02:49 < Triffid_Hunter> power over ethernet
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:03:56 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yep, started on tuesday
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:04:13 < FreezingCold> it's a bit too hands on for me, but eh
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:04:19 < JFK911> oh that was yesterday
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:04:20 < JFK911> hands on what
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:04:27 < Firehopper> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXfWxnGJLQ&feature=youtu.be < first video :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:04:28 < FreezingCold> changing tires and crap
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:04:30 < FreezingCold> that's annoying
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:04:36 < JFK911> changing tires or wheels?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:04:46 < FreezingCold> well, tires would be a better word
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:04:51 < FreezingCold> wheelchairs
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:05:07 < JFK911> those are solid tires arent they?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:05:13 < FreezingCold> haha nope
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:05:17 < JFK911> they're pneumatic?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:05:19 < FreezingCold> these things are like a fucking car
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:05:30 < FreezingCold> yeah, you've got the tube and tire and everything
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:05:32 < FreezingCold> like a bike
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:05:46 < FreezingCold> the software on them is painful
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:05:54 < JFK911> oh so you dont need special machinery to mount the tire?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:06:03 < FreezingCold> nope, just bolts and nuts
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:06:15 < FreezingCold> oh god, the controllers are horribly made too
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:06:33 < FreezingCold> the software works I guess... but still crappy
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:06:38 < JFK911> are these wheelchairs or motorized shopping carts for obese people
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:06:53 < FreezingCold> usually disabled people, insurance covers it
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:06:59 < FreezingCold> you do get quite a few obese people
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:07:07 < JFK911> you met patients or saw their files?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:07:12 < FreezingCold> met
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:07:23 < FreezingCold> busy days
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:08:08 < FreezingCold> anyone who doesn't support assisted suicide should tag along for a day
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:08:22 < JFK911> are you seeing things that make you sad
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:08:32 < FreezingCold> ish.
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:08:47 < FreezingCold> I don't think I'd have a reason to live if I was like most of these people
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:08:49 < Polesch> Anyone attempted suicide here?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:08:56 < Polesch> It's very nice.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:09:03 < JFK911> "tighten the strap for my oxygen tank sonny, when it rattles around it squeezes my catheter bag"
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:09:04 < FreezingCold> I thought attempting sucked?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:09:22 < JFK911> probably sounds like a hamradio ragchew
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:09:56 < FreezingCold> the first day there was an old guy who lost most of the movement in his hand, so we had to fix up a new joystick that was super sensitive
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:10:02 < FreezingCold> that was fun, he was so nice about it
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:10:09 < JFK911> yea, technical too
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:10:25 < FreezingCold> he was an electrical engineer, so he also picked up really quickly on how to properly control it
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:10:30 < FreezingCold> and his daughter was hot
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:10:30 < JFK911> and you are helping people and their quality of life
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:10:39 < ossifrage> LeelooMinai, yeah I'd much rather use altium, but I'm stuck using eagle, never looked at diptrace
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:11:28 < Polesch> One was slightly accidental
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:11:41 < LeelooMinai> Define "close":)
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:11:58 < Polesch> Close as in "Oh shit thank God I'm conscious"
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:12:03 < FreezingCold> I don't think i've ever dated a red head now that I think about it
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:12:05 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:12:10 < LeelooMinai> I mean a meteorite can fall on anyone, so they are close to dying all the time
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:12:35 < FreezingCold> probably not appropriate to get a patient's daughter's phone number on the job
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:12:48 < Polesch> Like I made a bunch of toxic gases in my room once, and blacked out on the floor
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:12:53 < JFK911> FreezingCold: No
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:13:10 < Polesch> Because I couldn't breathe
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:13:16 < JFK911> FreezingCold: did you get permission to forward your personal phone to work?
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:13:24 < FreezingCold> I think it's fine to hit on the nurses, but so far all of them have been pretty old and not that hot
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:13:37 < FreezingCold> JFK911: no, but like half the employees use their personal phone as a work phone
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:13:54 < JFK911> ok be careful
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:13:56 < FreezingCold> and don't even pick up the work phone
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:14:13 < FreezingCold> yeah it should be fine
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:14:49 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the depressing part is seeing people who have made choices that clearly ruined their lives
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:14:50 < ossifrage> LeelooMinai, diptrace was a fail, tried to run in in win and it said: "Novarm DipTrace (2.3) is not allowed to run on WinXP (5.1)" "Setup Aborted!"
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:14:57 < ossifrage> ^win^wine
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:15:00 < FreezingCold> JFK911: and often continue to make them
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:15:09 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i think thats less depressing than a tragic accident
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:15:19 < FreezingCold> I don't know
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:15:30 < FreezingCold> an accident would give me more faith in humanity
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:15:33 < LeelooMinai> ossifrage: You should not complains about "shitty" software, if you don't even run Windows:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:15:42 < JFK911> humanity is severely broken
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:15:55 < FreezingCold> I don't know how to deal with the patients who mentally aren't there
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:15:58 < ossifrage> LeelooMinai, meh
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:16:15 < FreezingCold> it's hard to wonder "why are you even alive?"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:16:19 < LeelooMinai> ossifrage: Wanted Linux? Suffer:p
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:16:21 < FreezingCold> *hard to not wonder
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:17:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: i imagine as someone with a working brain it can be frustrating, but all observers are sensitive to patience and respect i think
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:17:28  * zigggggy pets ossifrage
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:17:30 < FreezingCold> oh yeah obviously all of this stays in my head and doesn't leave my mouth
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:17:46 < FreezingCold> the obese patients are probably the most depressing
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:17:46 < ossifrage> LeelooMinai, I would suffer a vm for altium (and solidworks) but not something like diptrace
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:18:00 < JFK911> ossifrage: its on rutracker
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:18:13 < FreezingCold> I would honestly be okay if we went all Nazi and had a forced government meal plan to control weight and fitness
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:18:15 < ossifrage> I suspect the reason I started using eagle was because they had a linux port
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:18:48 < FreezingCold> we take the cocaine away from the drug addicts, why can't we take food away from the obese?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:19:42 < JoeLlama> http://hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/national-ad.jpg
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:19:48 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: How?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:19:59 < LeelooMinai> That was sarcastic;)
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:20:17 < JFK911> FreezingCold: so you saw a few overeaters then?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:20:19 < FreezingCold> But really, what could go wrong? Let doctors and nurses do it
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:20:38 < FreezingCold> they're more than knowledgeable enough to make safe decisions
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:20:40 < JFK911> they already have inpatient programs for people who want it
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:21:44 < JFK911> when society pays for it directly i think they can be more forceful
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:21:46 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: we force people not to use heroin, how is that any more fair?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:11 < JFK911> heroin addiction has more social consequences
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:17 < p0g0> This is starting to sound like a review of the Greek Tragedies mashed up with the 7 deadly sins...
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:22:17 < FreezingCold> No, it doesn't.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:32 < JFK911> some people have the same relationship with food though.
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:22:32 < FreezingCold> More people die from weight complications than heroin
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:38 < p0g0> JFK911: really?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:39 < JFK911> yeah it does, criminal activity
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:22:47 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: That's a rather extreme comparison/analogy
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:22:48 < mofomeat> p0g0 by far
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:22:55 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, but eating yourself to death takes longer
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:01 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: it's supposed to be extreme
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:05 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: you're assuming that overeating is the sole cause of obesity.. it's a very naive viewpoint. I eat 3x what some people twice my size do, so clearly it's not that simple at all
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:15 < FreezingCold> ossifrage: but by that logic, murder is okay if I do it over a few years
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:29 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: if you want to see one of the primary causes for yourself, go down to your local supermarket and try to find food with no added sugar
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:23:34 < mofomeat> Triffid_Hunter: that's got to be a lot of 2nd breakfasts
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:23:36 < JFK911> p0g0: i think the consequences of a single heroin case are more likely to be worse than of a single overeating case
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:40 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, it is more like slow suicide
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:23:54 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: right, which is why you'd need doctors to decide on what each person should be allowed to eat
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:23:55 < JFK911> the obesity case is going to cost a lot of money and probably won't commit crimes
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:23:58 < p0g0> JFK911: crime is what we make it- if there were piles of free heroin, would the junies commit proerty crimes?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:23:59 < Triffid_Hunter> mofomeat: I've taken to having tibetan style tea because eating two full meals 5x a day is damn expensive
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:24:08 < FreezingCold> JFK911: a single one vs one case, yes
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:24:14 < FreezingCold> but it's a social issue right now
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:24:19 < mofomeat> Triffid_Hunter: crazyfast metabolism, I take it?
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2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:24:26 < Triffid_Hunter> FreezingCold: no, you need to have ample food available that has more fat and less sugar
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:24:33 < Triffid_Hunter> mofomeat: must be
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:24:50 < zigggggy> u want mofomeat!!
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:24:52 < FreezingCold> Triffid_Hunter: if shitty food couldn't legally be bought, pretty sure all the stores would begin to store the food that was legal
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:24:54 < zigggggy> i*
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:25:09 < p0g0> JFK911: recently, the state I live in has moved on the 'pill mills'...the result, heroin addiction has jumped about 4x...is that better?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:27:35 < JFK911> so about food, many people use it as a modulator for depression
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:28:00 < _688as> because they learn to associate sugary/delicious/fattening foods as rewards
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:28:05 < JFK911> you get someone like this with a rough life, its no surprise if they become overweight
2014-05.log:2014-05-29T03:28:12 < FreezingCold> I'm off to bed, night folks
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:28:16 < ss23> _688as: Because it *is* a reward
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:28:23 < _688as> lol ya
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:28:27 < JFK911> i dont have this relationship with food, it's hard for me to understand.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:39:04 < _688as> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:39:10 < _688as> tilapia disgust me
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:39:27 < p0g0> JFK911: that depends on where they are in the food chain, the bigger predators are heavy with metals compared to ones not so predatory.
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:39:29 < _688as> it's so cheap because they use them to clean up all the bass shit at bass farms
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T03:39:30 < ohsix> over unity fish!
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T04:19:09 < ohsix> so far they're all great
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T04:19:22 < ohsix> the first videos (and lectures) are setup to introduce people in the lectures to the course, too
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:07 < eftm> holy shit lol. what do you want me to do with that?
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:15 < hjf> upgrdman: it's an investment fund. i chose the "stock mix" investment
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:16 < Terrenkt> eftm, http://www.gigampz.com/index.html
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2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:23 < password2> 15 compounded over 365 days is 37783%
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:35 < Terrenkt> I thought you needed IR illuminators
2014-05.log-2014-05-29T07:00:37 < password2> *1%
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:27:42 < mrdata_> looking to interface AVR to some LEDs
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:28:37 < mrdata_> the AVR will generate a pwm output for its analog outputs, and i want to switch on an array of LEDs to show the levels
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:29:12 < mrdata_> the way the old fashioned graphic equalizers were done
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:30:03 < mrdata_> so, i can output a value 0-255
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:30:17 < FreezingCold> man, I can't tell if this is a headache or just me being a bitch
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:30:19 < Robin__> now many leds in the array?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:30:21 < FreezingCold> gonna go with the later
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:30:25 < Robin__> *how
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:30:35 < mrdata_> Robin__: unknown as yet; at least five methinks
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:30:37 < mrdata_> no more than 8
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:32:06 < mrdata_> Robin__: i'm not seeing it; how would that work?
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:32:21 < SpeedEvil> It's quite eas to screw up and accidentally end up with an inductor of a tenth of the value
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:34 < FreezingCold> wtf fucking medical equipment
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:39 < FreezingCold> i shit you not with this tory
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:40 < FreezingCold> *story
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:52 < FreezingCold> we buy 4 button switches for $600
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:56 < FreezingCold> it's just a plastic case
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:32:57 < FreezingCold> no PCB
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:33:02 < FreezingCold> goes to a DB9 connector
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:33:02 < FreezingCold> WUT
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:33:29 < SpeedEvil> And it's illegal to make your own.
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:33:33 < SpeedEvil> Isn't regulation fun!
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:34:22 < FreezingCold> actually this one isn't
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:34:31 < FreezingCold> I'm collecting a list of equipment I can legally make
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:34:47 < JFK911> FreezingCold: yeah dont you want to own the button panel factory now
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:35:12 < anton02> how much margin of error should you add to an inductor due to imperfections of winding a wire around the torroid yourself as opposed to buying a pre-fab one?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:35:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: totally
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:35:53 < ^peter^> anton  also the range of variation in core material  :)
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:36:00 < FreezingCold> lol, first thing I did this morning was soldered two safety limit switches because the software was acting up...
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:36:25 < JFK911> oh they let you solder on these things?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:36:30 < FreezingCold> the funny thing is no
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:37:00 < JFK911> yeah, soldering on vehicles is a nono.
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:08 < FreezingCold> it's a no-no to the manufacturer
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:37:13 < hjf> lol
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:37:15 < hjf> Digi-Key Confidential: Do Not Distribute or Forward
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:37:17 < hjf> haha
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:18 < FreezingCold> but the other techs couldn't figure out the software
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:37:20 < ^peter^> anton  The actual winding is not liable to be a problem, unless you really made innovations in winding technique
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:26 < FreezingCold> and the kid wanted his wheelchair back
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:36 < FreezingCold> so I was told "fuck it, make it work" more or less
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:44 < JFK911> FreezingCold: REALLY!
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:37:45 < FreezingCold> and we all knew this would work on the first try
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:38:00 < FreezingCold> JFK911: yo, they were gonna glue it until I suggested soldering it...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:38:19 < JFK911> FreezingCold: with stupid telecommunications equipment, if i exhausted all the authorized processes, i HAD to send the problem to the factory or home office engineering
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:38:39 < JFK911> i wasn't allowed to remove fasteners from most equipment for field repairs
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:38:42 < FreezingCold> yeah, that's how it works here too
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:38:43 < FreezingCold> but
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:38:50 < FreezingCold> sometimes rules get bent
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:38:59 < JFK911> as long as your superior signed off on it
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:39:11 < FreezingCold> yeah it wasn't my job at all
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:39:20 < FreezingCold> I mean I wasn't the one in charge of the chair
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:40:03 < FreezingCold> I suggested that they just remove the wire bridge once the software gets sorted out and was told "lol, it's staying like that forever"
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:40:36 < JFK911> now the software wont get fixed; some people might find this alarming
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:41:00 < FreezingCold> the software is painful to look at
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:41:10 < JFK911> but its someones job to do so isn't it?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:41:21 < FreezingCold> no, I mean like the entire system
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:41:42 < FreezingCold> my company probably wouldn't want me to reverse engineer and rewrite an entire platform
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:41:47 < FreezingCold> and if they did, I would want a raise haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:43:09 < blackOff> they don't own the rights?
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:43:13 < blackOff> what is to reverse engineer?
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:43:30 < blackOff> sounds messed up
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:43:55 < FreezingCold> blackOff: the company I work for doesn't have the time or interest
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:44:22 < FreezingCold> we use excel spreadsheets for tracking customer appointments haha
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:13 < anton02> how do you make a 4channel stepper motor board with transistors
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:18 < anton02> only
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:25 < blackOff> excel is fine
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:31 < anton02> k
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:33 < blackOff> thats what its for
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:45:43 < FreezingCold> blackOff: how the hell are you supposed to tell if something got missed or pushed away?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:45:47 < FreezingCold> unless you're staring at it 24/7
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:51 < blackOff> click a macro
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:45:57 < blackOff> or read it
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T01:46:01 < blackOff> since it is missing a line
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:46:20 < FreezingCold> macros
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:46:21 < FreezingCold> yyeah
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T01:46:23 < FreezingCold> not happening
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:12:06 < JFK911> FreezingCold: wow @ excel crm
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:12:36 < sabotender> moo
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:12:47 < sabotender> whatcha been up to JFK911
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:13:35 < JFK911> dutys been calling me as the mayor of crazy town
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:20:11 < FreezingCold> fuck, why am I getting job offers now instead of last summer when I was unemployed?
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:20:15 < FreezingCold> that's some grade A bullshit
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:22:18 < JFK911> it will happen again when you finally get your first credit card
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:25:00 < FreezingCold> what will happen?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:34:05 < blackOff> haha
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:35:57 < FreezingCold> it's just the safety coating that cracked
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:54:28 < LeelooMinai> Not that making a robot is bad, but $16k is sad - no one will buy it:)
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:55:18 < bunder> if it will do my dishes, i'll buy it
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:55:39 < LeelooMinai> Even if it did dished, it would be overpriced
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:55:51 < FreezingCold> isn't some african terrorist group selling women as dishwashers?
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:55:52 < blackOff> it's tiny
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:55:54 < ohsix> Bird|otherbox: did you ever find out where that message was coming from? it's not from the usb stack
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:56:02 < FreezingCold> they're probably asking less than $16k
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:56:04 < bunder> price is realtive, robots live forever :P
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:56:10 < bunder> relative*
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:56:14 < blackOff> ...
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2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:57:06 < FreezingCold> blackOff: no, they require maintenance too
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:57:13 < FreezingCold> and blowjobs can be unsafe
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:57:14 < bunder> core i5, eh...  cool
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:57:28 < blackOff> wear a condom
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:57:35 < blackOff> and stop being gay
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:57:51 < FreezingCold> blackOff: No, I mean a robot ripping your dick off
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:58:04 < blackOff> it's still a dude robot
2014-05.log:2014-05-30T02:58:09 < FreezingCold> a condom won't help with 100 kg of thrust
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:58:29 < blackOff> 100kg is just right
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:59:22 < bunder> that thing is cute, i could use it to tell door-to-door salesmen to screw off
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T02:59:32 < blackOff> i would steal it from you
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T03:44:24 < ace4016> oh, you meant for using cat5 (why not cat6?)
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T03:44:34 < zwer> yeah
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2014-05.log-2014-05-30T03:45:07 < curatrix> http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=QC3660&CATID=90&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=1037#5
2014-05.log-2014-05-30T03:45:44 < zwer> since the connection is digital, does it mean the signal quality can't be degraded? i either get the signal or I don't
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:03:52 < nitero> nah it's always cool in here from my experience, though somewhat limited i admit hehe
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:03:58 < Kev> "the use of the company's production of normally closed type vibration sensor SW-420D"
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:05:57 < LeelooMinai> You are right - some kind of moule that shorts contacts inside when something moves.  Ok,s till, there's tons of stuff on ali with pir - he will probably find something
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:07:15 < LeelooMinai> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/10ps-lot-High-sensitivity-PIR-Module-with-Relay-control-sensor-module/742893246.html
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:07:25 < LeelooMinai> ^ here is pir equivalent
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:07:44 < FreezingCold> yay, friday!
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:07:52 < FreezingCold> bossing ass day at work
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:07:56 < LeelooMinai> And here is one only, $16 though: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-Shipping-low-noise-high-sensitivity-PIR-Module-with-Relay-control-Pyroelectric-Infrared-sensor-module-with/386136705.html
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:08:02 < FreezingCold> yearly invatory
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:08:14 < FreezingCold> inventory *
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:08:19 < LeelooMinai> invadory
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:08:22 < Kev> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/HC-SR501-Infrared-IR-PIR-Relay-control-sensor-detector-module/1180636962.html 5.5€
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:08:23 < Engen> Morning \o
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:08:34 < FreezingCold> I don't know why we bother. 8 years ago we were missing 3 million dollars, and last year it was "only" $75,000 missing
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:08:45 < LeelooMinai> Right, $7 - that seems reasonable
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:09:36 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Must be a big company:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:10:03 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: not really, there's like a dozen technicians and a dozen sales employees
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:10:40 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: If someone grabbed $3 mil, you should grab few $k for EE toys:)
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:10:51 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: man it's not even interesting stuff
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:10:52 < LeelooMinai> They would not even notice
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:10:55 < FreezingCold> it's crap like headrests
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:11:06 < FreezingCold> there's not even a single oscilloscope from what I can see
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:12:06 < FreezingCold> I think I'm going to offer to write a Android app and manage their stock inventory
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:12:11 < FreezingCold> QR code everything
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:12:28 < LeelooMinai> Yes, and request $100k for that
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:12:38 < LeelooMinai> It's a bargain for them apparently
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:12:55 < FreezingCold> I was thinking like $25,000 setup fee and then maybe like $5,000 to $10,000 monthly
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:13:08 < FreezingCold> contracted
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:13:21 < FreezingCold> That seems fair for them, no?
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:13:47 < LeelooMinai> Yes, but ehy will probably go with some bigger company
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:14:03 < FreezingCold> for $25,000?
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:14:09 < FreezingCold> I doubt any company will do it for less
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:14:17 < FreezingCold> that's pretty cheap
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:14:50 < JFK911> im kind of skeptical about using android as a warehouse computer
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:15:13 < FreezingCold> JFK911: not as a computer
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:15:14 < FreezingCold> as a scanner
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:15:26 < FreezingCold> basically techs will scan the part if they're going to steal it or move it
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:15:36 < FreezingCold> or adding a new part in if they ripped something apart
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:15:36 < JFK911> interesting idea
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:15:49 < JFK911> you imagined a db schema for this yet?
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:16:19 < FreezingCold> haven't figured out all the fields yet, but honestly anything would be better than what they have right now
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:16:21 < FreezingCold> which is more or less nothing
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:16:33 < JFK911> my idea for this problem would probably to give it to only the person in the inventory cage
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:17:03 < FreezingCold> there's a bunch of people grabbing stuff though, it can't just be one person
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:17:50 < JFK911> that's part of the problem
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:20:19 < FreezingCold> JFK911: oh yeah that's easy stuff
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:20:28 < FreezingCold> my question is more regarding how much I can sniff out of the company
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:20:49 < FreezingCold> cause it is a big job tbh
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:21:14 < JFK911> it would be smaller if you implemented these ideas already
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2014-05.log:2014-05-31T02:21:29 < FreezingCold> brb kexec
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:21:53 < nitero> employees be stealing stuff when a company of 24 people makes enough to lose 3 mil a year... crazy...
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:41:40 < GyrosGeier> also, their recommended land pattern is larger than the chip
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:42:18  * GyrosGeier carefully avoids printing lines on top of the pads
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:43:07 < JFK911> you should have a script that cuts pads and holes out of the silkscreen layer
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T02:54:47 < Neutron4> is it just that the duration of the spike is shorter at higher capacitor voltages than at lower voltages?
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:25:57 < JFK911> IanWizard-Cloud: Yes that whole idea is about the detrimental effect it would have
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:26:00 < jaroldd> so what would be ideal panel? high PWM frequency, or lowering current?
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:26:20 < jaroldd> or, if not ideal, better of the two
2014-05.log:2014-05-31T03:26:32 < FreezingCold> ah that was fun
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:26:39 < CAPACITATOR> jaroldd: fixed brightness LEDs driven at their most efficient levels
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:26:44  * CAPACITATOR derps
2014-05.log-2014-05-31T03:26:57 < JFK911> IanWizard-Cloud: Usually we dont want any voltage drop on a battery cable; 200 mV or more could be seen as a problem
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T05:51:07 < ohsix> DEEP BLACKS
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2014-05.log-2014-05-31T05:54:38 < KaleidoL> hehe, he lonely
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T02:31:37 < Hyratel> because it'd make a nifty design for a life support system or w/e
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T02:31:53 < Jan-> gewwo
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T02:32:00 < Volkard-> its about 1 ft 5 inches by 3 feet 7 inches
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T02:32:01 < Jan-> smnrk
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T02:32:03 < Astaelan> Volkard-: One tank is fuel, what's the other tank?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T07:59:32 < ohsix> there's a snuke in her snizz
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:01:35 < FreezingCold> So I'm looking at buying some drill bits for work
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:01:40 < FreezingCold> and I have no idea what common sizes are
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:02:08 < ohsix> for like literal work, or your job
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:02:16 < ohsix> they don't have a distsributor they get that stuff from?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:02:34 < FreezingCold> job
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:03:02 < FreezingCold> not really... it's most somewhat handy guys, and tbh I'm trying to avoid asking stupid questions like what drill bits to get...
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:03:21 < FreezingCold> if you guys think I'm an idiot, whatever, you don't pay me ;)
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:03:23 < ohsix> wikipedia is comprehensive about drill bit sizes
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:03:31 < ohsix> eh
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:03:45 < ohsix> well it'd be for whatever your job is, so you can't really get around asking them
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:03:53 < ohsix> or knowing the work sizes
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:03:58 < ohsix> like screw and fitting sizes
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:05:13 < FreezingCold> fuck, I already forgot my paypal password
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:07:54 < FreezingCold> ohsix: heh I guess
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:08:04 < FreezingCold> stuff like 1/2" and 1/4" seem to be common
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:08:22 < tomax> http://www.keelog.com/diy.html
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:10:11 < FreezingCold> huh, can you actually use paypal to pay with a savings account?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:10:19 < FreezingCold> they just confirmed mine, but I thought that wasn't allowed
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:12:04 < FreezingCold> lemme try to withdraw a penny
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:12:41 < R0b0t1> Protip: They can withdraw whatever they want from your account for any reason.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:13:10 < FreezingCold> oh it takes 6-8 days
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:13:31 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: hmm. I don't sell stuff with paypal right now, so i assume it's safe
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:13:42 < FreezingCold> Like how is a seller gonna do a chargeback on a buyer lol?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:14:54 < FreezingCold> I might unlink it from my savings account or wherever I decide to hold most of my money
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:15:00 < ohsix> 'they want'
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:16:31 < FreezingCold> ohsix: what?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:20:44 < JFK911> FreezingCold: its weird that you dont have a supplier for that stuff already
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:21:28 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the other techs just use their own crappy personal tools
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:21:37 < FreezingCold> I'm expected to bring my own crappy tools too
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:23:39 < JFK911> how often will they go missing
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:24:06 < FreezingCold> not really that often
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:24:14 < ohsix> 22:12 < R0b0t1> Protip: They can withdraw whatever they want from your account for any reason.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:25:04 < FreezingCold> ohsix: not seeing the point
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:25:34 < FreezingCold> I don't have any money for them to take
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:25:37 < ohsix> paypal is a they and they have wants
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:25:39 < JFK911> heres the fud
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:26:20 < JFK911> im sure its been more than ten years now and paypal hasnt stolen from me
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:26:29 < ohsix> anyone with a routing number for your checking can get money from it, it's up to you to not authorize it
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:27:44 < FreezingCold> uh, can't they be brute forced pretty easily then?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:27:54 < FreezingCold> it's what, five numbers if you know the bank?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:29:18 < ohsix> you'd have to be another bank, i guess i should have qualified 'anyone'
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:31:49 < ohsix> the waiting time is for authorization and shit
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:45:45 < FreezingCold> man screw drivers and shit are so confusing -.-
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:47:15 < OoTLink> my brother's stupid obsessionw ith vcrs
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:47:21 < OoTLink> I feel like buying a vcr and smashing it with a sledge hammer
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:47:37 < FreezingCold> why vcrs?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:47:49 < OoTLink> because he's an asshol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:49:17 < OoTLink> and now he keeps walking up behin me asking him to show me a vcr
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:49:24 < OoTLink> he peed his pants earlier and hasn't changed for whatever reason so
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:50:12  * OoTLink sighs
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:50:31 < OoTLink> we have plenty of clean clothes for him and if I tell him to change he'l scream at me real loud
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:50:47 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: oh, is he like 5?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:50:53 < OoTLink> he's like 30
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:50:58 < FreezingCold> [01:49:17] <OoTLink> he peed his pants earlier and hasn't changed for whatever reason so
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:50:59 < FreezingCold> uh
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:51:05 < OoTLink> autism. causing relatives early deaths since god only knows when
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:51:11 < FreezingCold> ouch
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:51:36 < OoTLink> lol sorry had to vent for a mment there
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:51:36 < OoTLink> >>
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:52:03 < OoTLink> lately he's got this backwards thing going on
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:53:26 < OoTLink> let's replace an 8 year old computer with a 12 year old one. totally logical
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:53:26 < scopes> hehe sheriff
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:53:35 < OoTLink> best part is he watches youtube videos a lot
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:53:49 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:53:53 < scopes> r u a grampa
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:13 < OoTLink> well, the thing is for most things, a powerpc mac is just a giant brick these days
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:54:21 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: I find it difficult to work with mentally disabled people
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:24 < OoTLink> anything related to the internte is going to lead to frustration
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:31 < scopes> r u a grampa
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:54:34 < FreezingCold> I know some people are great with it, but I'm not on
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:34 < OoTLink> so I know what would happen, I'd waste $50
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:54:35 < FreezingCold> *one
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:42 < OoTLink> I'd get him the imac g4, he'd whine about how slow it is
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:45 < OoTLink> then he'd "take it to his room"
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:54:56 < OoTLink> next day he'd sneak a funny looking garbage bag downstairs and yell at me if I ask what it is
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:55:00 < OoTLink> then I'll find imac parts in the bag :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:55:13 < FreezingCold> fuck, I forgot my ebay password too
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:55:31 < OoTLink> I dunno, I couldn't have the heart to do that anyway those are pretty machines and I'd rather remember them as a distant memory
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:55:39 < OoTLink> so I ordered him something else already XD
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:55:44 < OoTLink> hopefully he ends up being happy with it
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:56:00 < FreezingCold> fucking dick
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:56:02 < FreezingCold> so annoyed
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:56:05 < OoTLink> FC: it is. It really is XD
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:56:48 < FreezingCold> ugh I keep forgetting passwords lately
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:57:13 < OoTLink> I remember mine but I've been slowly moving everything over to lastpass :\
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:57:23 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:57:28 < OoTLink> I hate using a password manager
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:57:35 < FreezingCold> I forgot another password
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:57:42 < OoTLink> but having a half dozen tiered passwords is a recipe for disaster when everything's getting hacked all the fucking time
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:57:45 < OoTLink> fucking hackers
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:57:52 < OoTLink> can't they find something better to do than screw everyone over all the time
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:59:07 < Notionwork> How's your evening goin?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:59:37 < OoTLink> all good here lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T08:59:43 < OoTLink> how's it going for ya
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:59:57 < FreezingCold> FUCK
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T08:59:58 < FreezingCold> FUCK FUCK FUCK
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:00:01 < FreezingCold> Fucking remember
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:00:09 < JFK911> is lastpass a web service thing
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:00:23 < JFK911> ooh yeah
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:00:26 < JFK911> waht happens when it gets hacked
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:00:37 < madist> FUCK
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:00:40 < Notionwork> Badass. I just dug a huge firepit
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:05 < OoTLink> http://i.minus.com/iTKaBLWQturn8.gif
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:01:05 < FreezingCold> god fucking damn it
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:20 < madist> I write all my passwords on a piece of paper and stick it on my monitor.
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:22 < OoTLink> JFK: That's what I'm waiting for hahaha
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:30 < madist> of course I don't allow strangers into my house.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:47 < Notionwork> haha
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:47 < OoTLink> which thankfully uses a different username/pass combo than anything else I have XD
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:50 < scopes> sheriff
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:01:54 < FreezingCold> I'm getting so angry right now
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:54 < OoTLink> unless my bank gets hacked
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:01:57 < OoTLink> then it's checkmate bitch
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:13 < scopes> hue the sheriff agin
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:15 < JFK911> honestly
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:23 < OoTLink> same jfk, it's unfortunate though
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:02:27 < FreezingCold> I think yahoo might just be blocking my account right now
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:02:29 < FreezingCold> it's probably that
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:02:30 < FreezingCold> those pricks
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:35 < OoTLink> ordinarily I prefer giving my cc info to the store and letting them use whatever service they use
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:37 < Notionwork> But IMHO http should implement elliptic curve crypto
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:02:45 < OoTLink> using paypal is giving ebay carte blanche to monopolize cc processing
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:03:31 < scopes> royal confederacy
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:03:38 < OoTLink> dude the only problem with cash is you start a change hoarde
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:03:56 < fahadash> Or have some easy to remember passwords, like lines from your favorite movie
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:03:57 < FreezingCold> today has been a shitty day
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:07 < fahadash> Here is one.. 4815162342
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:11 < OoTLink> fahadash: correct horse battery staple
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:21 < FreezingCold> this hot 30 year old yoga teacher wanted to come over to my house to hang out during her breaks next week
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:25 < FreezingCold> but I have a fucking job
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:29 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:31 < OoTLink> me too.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:34 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Are you crazy ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:50 < OoTLink> I start work 3 weeks after I graduate
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:50 < FreezingCold> fahadash: Depends
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:04:50 < fahadash> FreezingCold, What job is more important than a chance for your manhood ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:55 < Notionwork> Take a day off yo
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:04:58 < OoTLink> :|
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:05:10 < OoTLink> FC take a long lunch/
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:12 < FreezingCold> Notionwork: ugh I would but it's not a sure thing
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:18 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Resign
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:05:23 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:28 < FreezingCold> fahadash: I'm tempted to lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:05:29 < OoTLink> don't do that
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:30 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Tell your boss how terrible person he is
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:42 < FreezingCold> she broke up with her boyfriend a few weeks ago
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:43 < FreezingCold> so
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:05:53 < fahadash> FreezingCold, There you go. Revenge sex
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:05:55 < OoTLink> :D
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:06:18 < Notionwork> oh fuck yeah, do a long lunch!!!
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:06:23 < FreezingCold> my parents and sister are gone for a fucking entire week in a month or two
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:06:32 < FreezingCold> dude, I'm going to clean and remodel the shit out of my house
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:06:32 < Notionwork> Yoga teachers are amazingly flexible normally
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:06:33 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Her ex got hooked with a girl, she is looking to tell him that she is getting sleeping elseswhere too
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:06:44 < Notionwork> haha
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:06:55 < password2> your parents and sister fuck for a wweek?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:08 < fahadash> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:11 < FreezingCold> password2: not funny, but they're going away for a week
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:14 < FreezingCold> and I have the house to myself
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:20 < password2> :D
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:24 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:26 < FreezingCold> I was going to have to go with them, but they're letting me stay home since I have a job
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:27 < Notionwork> Omg don't even thibk about it.
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:31 < fahadash> FC, he got you good. From your words "for a fucking"
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:43 < FreezingCold> ...which I will not be doing during that week lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:45 < OoTLink> FC how old are you
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:46 < OoTLink> o_O
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:48 < FreezingCold> gonna ask to take the week off
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:07:52 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: 20ish
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:07:56 < Notionwork> Do it, take a long lunch, have her come over for some awesome sex
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:08:03 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Please don't do that to your penis, take a day off
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:08:08 < Notionwork> How did this get instigated?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:08:10 < OoTLink> and they're letting you stay home
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:08:11 < fahadash> FreezingCold, You are at the best age yo
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:08:14 < OoTLink> I dunno XD
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:08:21 < OoTLink> I'm 20ish too though *high fives*
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:08:29 < JFK911> FreezingCold: your workplace sounds like a pretty slack, shoot from the hip kind of place.
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:08:43 < OoTLink> I want some women shenanigans like that bwahhaha
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:08:54 < FreezingCold> honestly I have the worst timing with women possible
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:08 < fahadash> 17 is the age when a man gets perfect errections, it start to decline then.... So 20 is not so bad. Dont wait to get old
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:09:10 < FreezingCold> I've ranted on here how I get drunk calls at 2am with no money for a taxi and no bus
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:11 < OoTLink> JFK: you mean like if he told them the truth they'd let him do it? XD
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:09:22 < FreezingCold> JFK911: meh, it's busy sadly
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:31 < scopes> smoke doobies for good errect
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:37 < OoTLink> fahadash i don't know what that means
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:38 < JFK911> i wouldn't like it, i like more policies and procedures
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:09:46 < JFK911> i think they're necessary for quality
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:09:56 < FreezingCold> but dude, 30 year old yoga teacher
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:09:59 < FreezingCold> oh god
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:10:01 < FreezingCold> please
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:10:03 < FreezingCold> please god
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:03  * OoTLink sighs
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:08 < JFK911> is she married
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:13 < fahadash> OoTLink, You know why there are Cougars ? Older women dig those young boys because of the quality of errection
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:16 < OoTLink> almost all the chicks in my dance class look amazing
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:17 < OoTLink> ;\
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:10:19 < FreezingCold> JFK911: [02:05:35] <FreezingCold> she broke up with her boyfriend a few weeks ago
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:28 < ohsix> q.e.d erection
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:10:51 < scopes> huff old dooty then he gets a date
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:10:55 < fahadash> FreezingCold, She is a cougar. Let the nature help you buddy
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:04 < OoTLink> 30 is not a cougar
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:08 < Notionwork> omg if she's 30, GO FOR IT
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:12 < fahadash> Some of them are
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:16 < Notionwork> 40 is a cougar
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:25 < The_4th_Doctor> 50
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:28 < Notionwork> Some are yes
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:11:28 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: yes it is, it's old enough for me to still be happy and count it as cougar without it getting creepy
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:11:33 < FreezingCold> 40/50 is creepy
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:11:41 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Don't fucking tell us that you'll pass.... Its turning us off even further
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:43 < The_4th_Doctor> it depends
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:43 < veek> i opened up a spy-cam and it's got something like this: KA\n A-1120Q06403\n FT01F12 - googling isn't turning up anything.. which is the serial no and which is the product-number
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:11:48 < Notionwork> Ahh, 40 is hot as fuck
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:06 < FreezingCold> fahadash: man I've got to start working from home
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:08 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Once or twice won't hurt.
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:12:13 < ohsix> topic
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:12:26 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:28 < fahadash> FreezingCold, You are working from home ? All you'll need is 30 minutes. Then ask her to leave
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:12:30 < OoTLink> admittedly
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:40 < FreezingCold> fahadash: I need more than 30 minutes..
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:12:42 < OoTLink> or a long lunch break
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:48 < FreezingCold> I want repeat visitors
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:12:50 < OoTLink> sheeh you can take a 2 hour lunch
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:12:58 < fahadash> FreezingCold, You can take viagara ahead of time, so you'll be ready :P
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:13:09 < Notionwork> Hey AC power question. Aren't both lines hot in AC since current switches back and forth?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:13:10 < FreezingCold> again, I still need more than 30 minutes
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:13:13 < FreezingCold> anyway
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:13:21 < FreezingCold> I'm getting a bit too excited over this
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:13:34 < fahadash> Notionwork, I had this question earlier. I was told about the Phases
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:13:39 < FreezingCold> it's just that I missed my last milestone goal a few weeks ago :(
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:13:53 < FreezingCold> while I was still legally under 18 I wanted to get 25+
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:13:55 < ohsix> you are highly refined consumers of the female and not at all coming off like you're 13 and talking about all the boob you've touched
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:14:05 < FreezingCold> but, I failed
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:14:09 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Women who do yoga are hot as hell. You are missing a big opportunity
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:14:11  * FreezingCold sighs
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:14:22 < FreezingCold> fahadash: I'm very aware, hence the angry part of me lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:14:25 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:14:38 < Notionwork> Yeah, I was told in #arduino that one line is hot in 120V and two in 240V which doesn't make shit sense to me, since 240V can still be 1 pahse
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:14:43  * fahadash is picturing a woman who does yoga
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:14:45 < ohsix> I DO SO MUCH SEX THAT I HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT ON IRC TOO
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:15:03 < FreezingCold> ohsix: it's more of when I'm not getting sex during the times I should, then I talk about it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:15:14 < ohsix> 'should'
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:15:23 < FreezingCold> should
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:15:30 < FreezingCold> the world owes me
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:15:35 < fahadash> Has electronics ever helped a man have better sex ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:15:44 < The_4th_Doctor> no
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:15:50 < The_4th_Doctor> science fact
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:15:53 < ohsix> maybe you guys can network, jerk eachother off
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:16:04 < The_4th_Doctor> that does not count
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:16:09 < fahadash> In an odd way, it actually might have ruined it
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:16:14 < FreezingCold> fahadash: there's a cute girl I know who I get to talk to about electronics with :D her boyfriend probably wouldn't like me trying to make a move though, and neither would she
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:16:20 < ohsix> 'it'
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:16:34 < FreezingCold> that doesn't really count since i'm nowhere close
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:16:40 < FreezingCold> take the boyfriend out and maybe
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:07 < fahadash> So boyfriend is a "Resistance"
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:14 < ohsix> all women are there for you to do things to
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:16 < Notionwork> haha
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:24 < ohsix> the only problem there is the boyfriend and her feelings
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:38 < fahadash> ohsix, And distance too
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:52 < fahadash> I cant be with any woman in Thailand, too far
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:17:54 < FreezingCold>  awww fuck, I don't have the house to myself until august
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:56 < monkwitdafunk> Electronics can be a better way to live with in your own home
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:17:59 < fahadash> And the dinner bill
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:18:02 < OoTLink> lol
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:18:52 < FreezingCold> ohsix: she's a decent person, so the boyfriend is heavy resistance
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:19:15 < ohsix> i don't think you're getting the point of my contents
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:19:17 < OoTLink> my team mate on the car project is an ok looking woman :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:19:20 < ohsix> comments lal
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:19:26 < OoTLink> she is like
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:19:59 < OoTLink> I worked with her for about a year and I feel like I could learn more about someone from a 30 minute bus stop convo
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:20:00 < FreezingCold> I can't wait until I start to get to take calls for work on my own
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:20:00 < OoTLink> xD
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:20:14 < FreezingCold> hopefully I'll be able to get a few hot nurses' numbers
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:20:24 < ohsix> surreptitiously
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:20:51 < upgrdman> fahadash: are you familiar with how transformers work?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:20:52 < FreezingCold> I can't afford a place right now, but I really need to live with a girlfriend
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:00 < fahadash> OoTLink, I don't suppose you could get any attention for a car-woman while a yoga-woman is being discussed
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:04 < ohsix> do you think women want to stay around while you talk about them as a resource
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:35 < monkwitdafunk> Is calling answering and sms all you need?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:21:38 < FreezingCold> ohsix: my penis is also a resource
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:38 < fahadash> upgrdman, The coils run the magnetic fields to the other coils which make the electrons flow ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:21:41 < FreezingCold> and I'm fine with that
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:41 < Notionwork> fahadash, that still doesn't make sense to me. Even if it is single phase, the current is still switching 50/60 times a second, so I don't see how you can have one terminal always be - and the other always be +
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:43 < OoTLink> fahadash: no she's an EE woman
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:21:52 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: you found the one
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:55 < OoTLink> car women are awesom
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:21:59 < OoTLink> fc trust me i didnt' xD
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:01 < upgrdman> really, you did that?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:08 < Notionwork> upgrdman: Its funny that AC outlets have polarity plugs too
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:18 < upgrdman> you prolly touched neutral, which is tired to ground at your breaker
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:27:19 < fahadash> upgrdman, Thanks for your patience. I will go back to discussing FreezingCold's sex life now
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:26 < OoTLink> fahadash maybe it's like how people would climb ac radio towers
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:29 < OoTLink> that were running at >1kv
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:36 < OoTLink> without turning the power off
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:41 < monkwitdafunk> They care about demolition, framing and cabling in data trades contruction
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:52 < upgrdman> Notionwork: polarized ac connectors isn't a bad thing.
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:27:56 < monkwitdafunk> One floor at a time
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:04 < FreezingCold> fahadash: if you pay me a salary, I could just spend all day having sex pretty much
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:18 < FreezingCold> wouldn't want to record it though
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:23 < OoTLink> I couldn't
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:24 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Can you video-tape it ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:39 < FreezingCold> I don't think there's any pictures of my penis on the internet, and I want to keep it that way
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:39 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Then why the hell you expect me to pay that ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:40 < Notionwork> upgrdman: I just don't see their point, since the polarity is always switching
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:46 < ohsix> repulsive
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:48 < FreezingCold> fahadash: knowing that your helping out a fellow human?
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:28:48 < fahadash> FreezingCold, How would I know that you did have sex ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:50 < monkwitdafunk> Dont waste your money on webcam unless it is good
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:54 < ohsix> that's what this is, the effect on women
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:54 < OoTLink> is it weird that in the past few years the only woman I've met that was rather obviously interested in me was a lady cop?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:55 < OoTLink> :|
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:28:57 < Notionwork> upgrdman: is it because of hot and neutral?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:29:00 < upgrdman> Notionwork: one of those is neutral, which is kinda ground.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:29:01 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Can you put that on a live feed ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:29:02  * OoTLink gets out that song on spotify
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:29:04 < OoTLink> wee oh wee oh wee
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:29:17 < FreezingCold> fahadash: I'll save a item/token from each one
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:29:33 < FreezingCold> I'll pick something they won't expect
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:29:40 < FreezingCold> like randomly steal a single sock
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:29:41 < upgrdman> and if two different ac powered things don't agree on "polarity" you could have problems
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:29:47 < fahadash> FreezingCold, I would like to ses things in action. Souvinirs dont work
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:07 < ohsix> if the device is 'grounded' on the neutral and you get it backwards, you get a hot drill
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:09 < Volkard-> Hello
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:30:12 < FreezingCold> fahadash: how do I know you won't record the live feed?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:25 < Volkard-> My new Lambo arrived today.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:30:33 < fahadash> FreezingCold, Then record it and sell it. You want humans to help you, you have to help them back
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:35 < Notionwork> ohsix: Right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:39 < Volkard-> Pretty exciting.
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T09:30:52 < upgrdman> FreezingCold: true him. "masterbaters creed"
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:52 < Volkard-> https://imgur.com/a/eJCkE
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:53 < Notionwork> ohsix: So it's about grounding, bot polarity
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T09:30:54 < Volkard-> There it is.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T10:31:50 < password2> now all ats will fear my room
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T17:47:11 < veek> anyone use Eagle 6 on linux?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T17:53:35 < FreezingCold> hmmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T17:54:38  * hackkitten idly hops on the ceiling~
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T17:56:19  * bunder gets the broom
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:42:37 < synx508> with some little light bulbs
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:43:04 < theBear> heh, you mean so you can sell it for a tidy profit and make sure they stay far far away from passing any of your valued audio thru right ? :)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-01T20:43:40 < FreezingCold> oh cool, Telsa's LED lights are using PWM I think
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T20:43:55 < FreezingCold> or they arne't running at 60Hz at least
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:43:59 < synx508> most automotive LEDs are PWMed
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:44:03 < theBear> whilte yer at it grab a rock from the garden and attach it to a spare iec lead somehow and tell them that for ultimate sonic clarity they'll only ever wanna use that matching power cable SPECIFICALLY built to match that very unit :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:44:43 < synx508> not sure the audiophiles are the exact same market as boutique outboard, or indeed stomp boxes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:44:59 < theBear> heh, i wouldn't hold a lotta hope for a tesla working much at all if they can't handle pwming some leds elegantly and at least a little beyond your average human-eye-detectable rate :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:45:04 < synx508> all crazy in their own ways though
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:45:34 < archivist> plenty of crazy types to sell to
2014-06.log:2014-06-01T20:45:41 < FreezingCold> synx508: I didn't know that before
2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:46:04 < synx508> theBear, what's in the card rack at the bottom of the rack?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-01T20:46:32 < Hyratel> Noxz, because the circuit is not symmetrical
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:21:52 < ezrl> cany anyone explain what micron technology exactly does?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:21:54 < Callmea> I have wrote the parser for my serial palm color lcd driver (in progress), it works. It will published in open source licence, and i would to know what kinds of functions Arduino/mcu users would want to have. I thank you
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:22:13 < Callmea> The goal is to pilot a color palm pda lcd (16 bits and 8 bits) over a serial connection (in order to use with arduino and other stuffs). I have implemented a doubler buffer, graphic primitives, color functions, baudrate settings and some other stuffs
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:22:20 < FreezingCold> I feel like I forgot to do something this weekend
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:22:24 < FreezingCold> something important
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:22:29 < TheMahmoud> is btc more trusted than gold?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:22:30 < jacob___> bbq?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:23:00 < boostedcabbage> TheMahmoud: in the same way, gold is only worth what value we give it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:24:34 < boostedcabbage> nah.. i'm in fiat right now
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:24:40 < brick> hacker got the cash
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2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:25:11 < FreezingCold> cash got the hacker
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:25:15 < boostedcabbage> i sold 4.25btc last time we were around 620
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:25:19 < boostedcabbage> haven't bought since
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2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:25:53 < FreezingCold> I tried to sell my BTC
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:25:57 < FreezingCold> but so much fucking hassle
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T04:26:03 < FreezingCold> so I just kept my massive 0.25
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:26:11 < boostedcabbage> what country?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:26:17 < brick> accounts empty hacked
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T04:26:43 < boostedcabbage> rather straight forward in the US with coinbase
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:08:50 < wyager> Sometimes shitty chinese stuff is actually better than the even shittier equivalent most people get
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:08:59 < mattwj2002> I will stick with Amazon and monoprice
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:03 < FreezingCold> huh
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:12 < FreezingCold> why the fuck is my university application already in appeal?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:16 < boostedcabbage> comes from the same places potentially
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:18 < wyager> mattwj2002: A lot of the stuff on both of those sites will be from alibaba
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2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:28 < wyager> FreezingCold: What do you mean “in appeal"?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:33 < bunder> FreezingCold: forget to pay your tuition?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:40 < mattwj2002> right but I feel they weed out a lot of the crap
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:42 < FreezingCold> it's going to the "Committee" for review
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:09:53 < FreezingCold> all i did was submit new transcripts after they said I was missing a required course...
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:54 < avis> i think the original xbox from a long time ago is actually chinese
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:55 < mattwj2002> no always but more than going to alibaba directly
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:09:59 < mattwj2002> *not
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:10:15 < wyager> avis: I think all xboxes ever are chinese
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:10:22 < bunder> are you sure they got it?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:10:33 < FreezingCold> bunder: uh yeah, that's why they updated my application
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:10:35 < wyager> FreezingCold: Where are you applying?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:10:39 < FreezingCold> but i don't understand why it needs a full appeal...
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:10:48 < bunder> dunno then, maybe its just routine
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:10:51 < FreezingCold> wyager: just a local university, I live in Canada
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:00 < ShadowJK> It's not that high quality can't be manufactured in china, it's more that people buy more of the low quality stuff. :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:00 < boostedcabbage> what electronics aren't from some sweatshop where they sleep next to the work?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:11:07 < FreezingCold> bunder: Probably. Still annoying, I'd rather they just accept me and leave me alone
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:12 < bunder> i went to a shitty career college, so i've never had to deal with that stuff
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:11:15 < FreezingCold> ShadowJK++
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:19 < avis> probably on alibaba
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:11:22 < FreezingCold> bunder: likewise
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:30 < avis> go bankrupt
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:11:41 < FreezingCold> except my parents are bugging the shit out of me to "get a real career and work for the man" for the rest of my life
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:11:53 < bunder> i work in a hospital, close enough
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:01 < FreezingCold> bunder: neat, I'm somewhat ish the same
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:04 < wyager> FreezingCold: Did they actually say “work for the man"?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:08 < boostedcabbage> FreezingCold: get a skill set, start a business.. profit.. etc
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:12:12 < avis> bunder, what kind of hospital ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:15 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: That's my idea...
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:12:17 < wyager> They probably don’t care where you work as long as you’re not destitute
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:12:30 < bunder> avis: you know, a hospital...
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:31 < FreezingCold> wyager: Pretty much they think the only "good" way of life is to be working for someone else
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:12:43 < avis> bunder awesome i hope
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:45 < FreezingCold> Fuck that, I'll probably kill myself before 30 if I do that
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:51 < wyager> FreezingCold: Well, I mean, you always work for someone else
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:12:55 < FreezingCold> or be a happy alcoholic
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:12:56 < bunder> the pay is good, the users and the equipment suck
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:01 < wyager> Even if you’re at the top of the food chain you still work for your customers
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:02 < FreezingCold> bunder: Agreed.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:05 < bunder> take from it what you will heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:07 < boostedcabbage> working for people is pure aids
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:11 < FreezingCold> wyager: But you can actually take pride in your work
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:11 < boostedcabbage> being someones bitch is lame
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:25 < wyager> FreezingCold: Sure, but you can do that working for someone else
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:30 < FreezingCold> bunder: invacare is shit
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:32 < wyager> I work for someone else and I take pride in my work
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:32 < boostedcabbage> people will only work hard enough to keep their jobs
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:40 < bunder> i'm not familiar with invacare
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:41 < wyager> boostedcabbage: Some people, maybe
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:41 < FreezingCold> wyager: that's rare
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:48 < wyager> FreezingCold: Not in my industry
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:53 < wyager> Maybe I just surround myself with good people
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:13:57 < wyager> but we all like what we do
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:13:57 < FreezingCold> bunder: What industry?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:02 < bunder> IT
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:04 < wyager> (computer stuff, for me)
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:05 < mattwj2002> define being someone's bitch?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:05 < avis> hospitals are also some of the creepiest places on earth
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:14:08 < FreezingCold> bunder: Pride?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:12 < boostedcabbage> wyager: why make money for other people when you can make it for yourself?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:15 < bunder> hmm, apparently invacare makes wheelchairs?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:14:17 < FreezingCold> avis: na, long term facility cares.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:21 < wyager> boostedcabbage: Do you think I don’t get paid
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:21 < wyager> ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:14:27 < FreezingCold> avis: They fucking lock old people in until they die
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:32 < norkle> wyager: you know you need it.
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:14:35 < FreezingCold> bunder: yep, that's my job.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:37 < mattwj2002> are you talking about like fast food?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:41 < wyager> norkle: I need what?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:52 < norkle> that sweet ice tea.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:53 < avis> i'm not sure if i can get my ear fixed anywhere and i have insurance
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:14:58 < boostedcabbage> wyager: everyone who works gets paid
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:10 < wyager> boostedcabbage: Right, so I *am* “making money for myself”.
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:15:18 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: unpaid internships?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:15:21 < FreezingCold> the americans have that
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:15:21 < bunder> FreezingCold: so you're in mississauga?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:23 < avis> there are thieves who do nothing but that
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:23 < mattwj2002> I am someone's bitch
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:15:26 < boostedcabbage> FreezingCold: haha true
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:26 < wyager> I’m not mad that someone else benefits in the process
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:30 < boostedcabbage> stupid fucks
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:15:31 < FreezingCold> bunder: close ish, what made you guess that?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:42 < boostedcabbage> interships are great for people like me
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:43 < bunder> googled invacare
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:49 < wyager> boostedcabbage: The way I see it, I pay my employer a decent amount to connect me with their customers
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:15:56 < bunder> you're probably closer to me than LeelooMinai
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:03 < wyager> dhrosa: The flashlight websites
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:11 < wyager> Search for “aw battery” to find them
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:16:13 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: The Canadian government called me in for an interview for an internship at freaking $12/hr haha, AND only for a two month contract
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:23 < boostedcabbage> wyager: if you can roll the dice in your favor, all the power to you
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:16:30 < boostedcabbage> FreezingCold: contract work for $12?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:31 < boostedcabbage> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:16:33 < FreezingCold> bunder: IIRC invacare is amiercan based
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:34 < mattwj2002> I think most people are someone's bitch
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:45 < dhrosa> wyager: thanks!
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:16:48 < mattwj2002> depending on how you look at it
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:16:53 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: I know, I accepted the interview and I just plan on showing up and being like "wut, so how bout dat pay?!"
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:17:03 < bunder> i guess google picked it because the search was from canada
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:17:08 < boostedcabbage> FreezingCold: what's teh job?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:17:24 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: shipping and receiving. but chances are I won't make it to the interview because I can't get time off easily at my new job
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:17:54 < bunder> if minimum wage wasn't $10/hr, i'd say that's okay for S+R
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:17:55 < mattwj2002> FreezingCold: I hope you will use proper English though :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:18:00 < boostedcabbage> FreezingCold: is it a real contract position 1099 for tax pusposes in the US.. or would you be an actual employee with benefits?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:18:36 < sirderpalot> cash? :D
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:18:37 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: no benefits because I think that only kicks in after 6 months
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:18:56 < bunder> yeah, if you get benefits, you have to pay and wait first
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:18:57 < mattwj2002> I make a good middle class income but I have so much debt from school....I am anything but rich
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:19:16 < FreezingCold> Formal education is such a rip off
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:19:17 < boostedcabbage> $12 contract is a joke.. should be $20 for basic things
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:19:31 < hjf> I wonder why live TV on a channel looks MUCH better than recorded programs
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:19:35 < FreezingCold> boostedcabbage: I'm a full time employee at the moment for frigging $16/hr -.-
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:19:45 < FreezingCold> I think I'll quit if I get this other job interview
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:19:52 < FreezingCold> $22 3 days on, 4 days off
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:19:56 < mattwj2002> FreezingCold: I totally agree formal income is way too expensive
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:03 < hjf> maybe it's because the channel is part of the same company that owns the cable company and it's sent uncompressed or something like that?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:04 < bunder> welp, i gotta go teach some nurse how to refill a barcode printer, bbl
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:20:07 < FreezingCold> mattwj2002: Why can't we just learn online and take exams?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:20:17 < wyager> FreezingCold: We can
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:23 < sirderpalot> derp. i make >$100/hr
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:23 < wyager> people still pay for college, for some reason
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:20:26 < FreezingCold> wyager: Where?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:29 < boostedcabbage> to be honest, formal education isn't necessary in many fields. you can either do the job or not
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:36 < boostedcabbage> specially IT
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:39 < boostedcabbage> programming, etc
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:20:46 < FreezingCold> wyager: There's only one Canadian university that's online, and it's fucking more expensive than going to a normal school
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:20:49 < mattwj2002> especially when your step dad and mom make too much and because your step dad was a douche you end up with a crap load of debt
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:20:49 < FreezingCold> which is very WTF
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:10 < boostedcabbage> in those fields you won't learn anything you can't learn from the internet
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:21:20 < FreezingCold> agreed
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:21 < hjf> boostedcabbage: oh yes, because programming has like EXCELLENT engineering. just imagine if engineers did their work like programmers do. "fix a bug" on a bridge
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:23 < kanthalaraghu_> Hey guys, good morning. I''m from India.. Electronics stud.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:41 < mattwj2002> howdy kanthalaraghu_
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:42 < sirderpalot> kinky
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:21:45 < FreezingCold> kanthalaraghu_: Are you friends with beaky?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:46 < boostedcabbage> and if you don't get  afree ride, you have a mortgage payment when you get out without a job, because you have no experience
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:48 < dhrosa> I  hope stud means student :p
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:21:55 < wyager> FreezingCold: There are a few major unis in america that are playing with this right now
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:21:55 < FreezingCold> I'm a fucking stud
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:21:58 < wyager> Can’t remember which
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:03 < kanthalaraghu_> nope, this is my first time.. on this network.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:06 < hjf> also, good fucking luck learning shit like calculus off a video on the internet
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:06 < boostedcabbage> hjf: i don't understand the comparison
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:22:09 < FreezingCold> wyager: I applied to ASU online but again it was really expensive for what it was
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:22:18 < FreezingCold> hjf: it's not hard, it just requires some drive?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:18 < wyager> Also, yeah, computer science is incredibly meritocratic and you don’t need a degree to make great money
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:38 < mattwj2002> I have two degrees in IT networking
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:40 < boostedcabbage> hjf: lol.. you think you need to do to school to learn calc?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:22:42 < FreezingCold> hjf: I've never really learned from school teachers. I've had ONE good math teacher who helped me out a lot
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:22:43 < FreezingCold> that's it
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:44 < boostedcabbage> s/do/go
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:50 < hjf> boostedcabbage: you don't?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:22:54 < FreezingCold> hjf: no
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:57 < boostedcabbage> hjf: no
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:22:59 < hjf> boostedcabbage: GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:23:00 < hjf> I DO
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:23:05 < FreezingCold> you're an old fart
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:23:16 < FreezingCold> who doesn't have enough motivation to get off his ass and do something productive
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:23:20 < wyager> hjf: They have books on the subject
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:23:23 < avis> o
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:23:25 < FreezingCold> and by doing so, you're holding the rest of us back
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:23:25 < wyager> Good books
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:23:29 < avis> i'm extremely disabled
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:24:33 < kanthalaraghu_> I see people talking about Computer Science stream in an electronics .. chat network. What is it ? DId programming overwhelm you all ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:24:37 < Hodapp> I go to conferences for free booze and other crap.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:24:56 < sirderpalot> kanthalaraghu_: CS is counterstrike and corporate sabotage
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:25:07 < FreezingCold> hjf: without sounding like an entitled prick, it's a waste of the time if there's not enough people smarter than you
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:09 < boostedcabbage> kanthalaraghu_: really?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:19 < mattwj2002> avis: are you still here?
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:25:22 < FreezingCold> in community college I only had two other classmates to go to for talks
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:25:25 < FreezingCold> and I'd just call them
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:26 < boostedcabbage> "in an electronics"
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:25:27 < FreezingCold> no need for class
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:33 < mattwj2002> avis: for the record both of my parents are on disability?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:39 < hjf> ok let me ask you a question
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:25:43 < hjf> you learn by yourself
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:54:30 < jerware> What are those non prototyping boards called that you can solder onto after making your breadboard "sloppy copy" ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:54:46 < upgrdman> breadboard.
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:54:50 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-06.log:2014-06-02T05:55:01 < FreezingCold> I didn't write the sexual harassment quiz
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:55:21 < jerware> no these are one that you solder onto.
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:55:44 < upgrdman> breadboard are avail in solderable and solderless
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T05:55:47 < upgrdman> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12070
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T06:41:58 < brick> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=steampunk+desktop&qs=n&form=QBIR&pq=steampunk+desktop&sc=2-17&sp=-1&sk=
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T06:42:31 < Ech74> brick: ok,, now thats cool
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T06:42:54 < Ech74> I needd an old world treasure map
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2014-06.log-2014-06-02T06:43:19 < MjrTom> and highly phlogisticated
2014-06.log-2014-06-02T06:43:19 < brick> http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Steampunk+Desktop+Theme+Windows+7&Form=IQFRDR
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2014-06.log:2014-06-03T00:53:32 < FreezingCold> FUCK YEASH
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T00:53:38 < FreezingCold> First university acceptance letter!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T00:56:24 < brick> free credit cards
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T00:56:41 < brick> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T00:56:46  * Casper wonders where to buy 6/3 cable cheaply
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T00:56:48 < d-snp> FreezingCold: what college are you going to?
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T00:57:23 < Casper> the length I need is ~225$ !
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T00:57:37 < d-snp> :|
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:23:58 < hjf> damn, this is so frustrating
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:24:09 < CaptHindsight> SpeedEvil: http://www.phidgets.com/index.php  this about the closest thing I can find
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:24:12 < FreezingCold> [17:53:57] <Casper> oh good, but be sure that the program is good
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:24:14 < FreezingCold> it's all shit
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:24:15 < hjf> the layout sucks, and the worst part is, i don't know if it'll even work
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:24:20 < FreezingCold> [17:56:40] <d-snp> FreezingCold: what college are you going to?
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:24:27 < FreezingCold> d-snp: I haven't decided yet
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:25:16 < FreezingCold> university is such a massive waste of money and time
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:41:32  * zigggggy pets Killerwolfie
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:42:28 < d-snp> FreezingCold: not necessarily
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:42:41 < d-snp> I both learned a lot and gained a lot from my time at uni
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:43:17 < LeelooMinai> I am using some JAE connector, and their tech drawing is the reverse of FCI - it's perfect. Feels weird to actually see proper one.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:43:38 < stiv2k> how are the keys on a laptop keyboard wired? what does it mean when a handful of keys are not working all concentrated to the right side of the keyboard
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:43:59 < LeelooMinai> http://i.imgur.com/g2bl4Oq.png <- I don't think those guys forgot anything there
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T01:44:05 < FreezingCold> d-snp: it's still a waste IMO
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:46:58 -!- Kane [~Kane@ADijon-257-1-123-43.w90-48.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Night all o/]
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:47:14 < LeelooMinai> They use special aspartime paper
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T01:47:45 < LeelooMinai> s/i/a/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:10:21 < nullvibe_> slave religion, slave to your beliefs. slave submission, die for your beliefs ♪
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:10:35 < bulaia> ♪
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:10:50 < CaptHindsight> priest and altar boy?
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:12:11 < FreezingCold> *gschem
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:13:33 < nullvibe_> Having trouble finding you a good link that isn't on a business site
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:18:57  * ohsix projects helplessness all over himself
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:19:18 < bulaia> might want to wipe it off before it crusts over
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:19:33 < FreezingCold> and I love 80s
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:19:36 < ohsix> when it crusts i throw it at other people
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:19:48 < bulaia> 80s were great! except the music and the hair
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:19:54 < FreezingCold> and aids
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:19:56 < bulaia> and crappy cars
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:20:01 < FreezingCold> and stds
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:20:09 < bulaia> and reaganomics
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:20:19 < LeelooMinai> And no internet
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:20:21 < FreezingCold> And AIDs
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:20:33 < bulaia> and cold war
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T02:20:43 < FreezingCold> and the explosive of STDs
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:21:05 < bulaia> look, nobody wants to hear about the frothing stds you got in the 80s
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:21:20 < springbok> I had internet in the 80s (well...NSFnet).  But yeah...AIDS and the rest sucked and not in a good way.
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T02:21:39 < bulaia> now it's NSFWnet?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:45:27 < openfly> that's the wiring diagram
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:45:28 < fahadash> I am working with LM317T regulator. I need to know if I could use 470 Ohm resitor for R1. Can someone help me ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:45:30 < ohsix> JFK911: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.version-control.git/57643/focus=57918
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T05:45:31 < FreezingCold> my god so happy about canada's new Anti-Spam Legislation
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T05:45:39 < FreezingCold> finally a first where canada is actually good at digital law
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:45:43 < openfly> i THINK i can wire the condensor directly to a recepticle
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:45:47 < openfly> there's not much going on
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:46:07 < openfly> there's really just that relay
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:46:33 < on3pk> JFK911, Well, right now its just every now and then I end up soldering something
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:47:44 < JFK911> openfly: to me it looks like they dont even care about the green ground from the power cord
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T05:47:54 < FreezingCold> finally I can threaten legal action for the lawls to newsletter asshats
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:48:05 < JFK911> openfly: i would look for a part number on the relay so i could try and figure out what it does
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:49:52 < on3pk> Thanks for the suggestions, guys
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:50:14 < JFK911> openfly: i see one line connected to the power cord, and the other line connected to thermostat
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2014-06.log:2014-06-03T05:50:43 < FreezingCold> fuck man, I have to fill out this stupid safety and sexual harassment worksheet
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:50:44 < JFK911> probably the hot from the cord goes to the thermostat and lamp
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:50:53 < JFK911> the other wire from the thermostat is probably the 'hot' for the relay
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:50:58 < ohsix> JFK911: click my liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:51:38 < openfly> hrmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:51:48 < openfly> i'd love to add a proper neutral...
2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:51:50 < JFK911> openfly: this could be why three wires go to the motor
2014-06.log:2014-06-03T05:51:53 < FreezingCold> [22:50:50] <ohsix> JFK911: click my diiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiink
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2014-06.log-2014-06-03T05:52:05 < openfly> i guess i could pull the relay out and put it on a multimeter and see if i can figure out what its doing.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:03:05 < FreezingCold> oh god fuicking bug bites
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:03:16 < LeelooMinai> I don't know - here in Canada they do not seem to care... especially for cheap stuff, but I also got scope from China for $350 and it was fine too
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:03:18 < FreezingCold> I feel like a meth addict when I scratch them
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:03:35 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: the policy is anything under $100 does not get checked at all
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:03:44 < FreezingCold> over $100 and it's a hit or mess
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:03:46 < FreezingCold> *miss
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:03:49 < ohsix> eh?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:03:52 < ohsix> really?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:03:59 < ohsix> and they accept the value stated on the customs form?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:04:00 < LeelooMinai> Right, I guess Italy has some strange policies
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:04:07 < FreezingCold> ohsix: this is all unofficial
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:04:09 < Emmedics4> Here too FreezingCold, if you mark it as "Gift" is a false attestation..
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:04:16 < ohsix> that doesn't sound like a policy then
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:04:17 < FreezingCold> Canadian customs don't give a crap
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:04:25 < FreezingCold> ohsix: de facto
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:04:39 < Emmedics4> You can send back, or pay a fine...
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:05:00 < ohsix> unofficial de-facto
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:05:06 < ohsix> these words they don't go together
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:05:15 < ohsix> i mean, i know what you mean
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:05:18 < FreezingCold> ohsix: recently they've also started letting American goods in for free
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:05:20 < ohsix> but they words
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:05:25 < ohsix> they!
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:05:27 < FreezingCold> too much cross border shopping for them to handle
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:05:39 < FreezingCold> so their mindset is "fuck it"
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:06:28 < LeelooMinai> hjf and his argentina is worse though - they cannot even import stuff in a reasonable way
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:06:40 < LeelooMinai> They are really fubared there
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:06:44 < FreezingCold> can't you buy a mini country inside argentina too?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:06:48 < ohsix> actually his problem is _he_ can't, but importers can
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:01 < ohsix> i don't remember why he said he couldn't just get one of the importer licenses
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:07:08 < FreezingCold> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015734/One-MILLION-acre-estate-goes-sale-Argentina-ideal-wine-making.html
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:11 < ohsix> hjf: BEEP
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2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:07:19 < FreezingCold> hjf: BOOP
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:25 < ohsix> hjf: DING
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:07:29 < FreezingCold> hjf: DONG
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:32 < ohsix> ^5
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:33 < iWalrus> *WALRUS*
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:07:40 < ohsix> googoo gajoo
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2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:08:25 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: so yeah, we could make a little country inside Argentina
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:09:00 < ohsix> or you could _say_ you're going to, and say it will be a libertarian fantasy land, and take all of their money
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:09:01 < elimirks> Hey guys. What is a triple-channel switch usually called? Something like this, but with only one switch to connect all 3 connections http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-NEW-2-54mm-Red-Pitch-3-Bit-3-Positions-Ways-Slide-Type-DIP-Switch-/231017649411?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35c9b99503
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:09:16 < ohsix> elimirks: contactor?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:25:25 < biberao> hi
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:25:32 < ohsix> analog meters are pretty expensive tho
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:25:43 < biberao> who can help me fix the sdcard slot of my rasp pi?
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:26:25 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: is there a hockey game on tomorrow?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:26:39 < LeelooMinai> No idea
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:27:03 < FreezingCold> I was hoping I could use that for cover when I go over to a friend's house
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:27:07 < ohsix> Neutron6: you can generally use the mechanical null on the front panel to do all the work, same as on an electronic meter
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:27:37 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: fuck yeah, one game at 8pm
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:27:43 < FreezingCold> so the game will end at like 11pm
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:27:49 < FreezingCold> and then I can pretend the buses don't run anymore
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:27:52 < Neutron6> so you can usually move the pointer on them?
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:27:57 < FreezingCold> so I'll "get a ride" to work tomorrow
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:28:03 < Neutron6> as long as the backing has the correct print?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:34:14 < Neutron6> ohsix: they probably are. I was hoping to find some $2 ones :P
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:34:25 < SpeedEvil> Or may not, if you are unlucky and get a high Vgs(th) one
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:34:29 < shrdlu-> FreezingCold, why are you using a hockey game for cover?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:34:54 < FreezingCold> shrdlu-: because I don't tell my parents when I'm with a girl anymore. I stopped making that mistake years ago
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:34:56 < magicpacman> I have a microphone amplifier that outputs a signal from 0-5V. I need to connect it to an ADC on my Beaglebone Black but that can only handle 0-1.8V. What is the best way to attenuate the signal so that all the frequencies will be preserved but the signal will be adjusted to fit in the 0-18V range?
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:34:58 < Nitrxgen> SpeedEvil, I've been using some fets that kept failing and I couldn't understand why, I did everything, even put in the gate driver but the mosfet I was using blew up in my hand
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:35:26 < Nitrxgen> SpeedEvil, so they were defective mosfet batch, used working fets and it works good now, I just left the circuit in
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:35:33 < FreezingCold> shrdlu-: regardless even if she's just a frien
2014-06.log:2014-06-04T01:35:34 < FreezingCold> *friend
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:35:42 < shrdlu-> ah, I see
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:35:47 < shrdlu-> how intriguing
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T01:35:51 < SpeedEvil> What voltage gate driver?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T03:54:48 < ohsix> unless you're a manager or some sort of fad follower
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T03:54:49 < pepsi> but like.. i dunno.. blah
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T03:54:56 < pepsi> nevermind :/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-04T03:55:36 < ohsix> my internets is being a real winner right now
2014-06.log-2014-06-04T03:55:44 < pepsi> you got points on CSDN?!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T01:02:23 < electrostatic> I'm getting a rash on my arm
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T01:02:47 < electrostatic> and I don't know why
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T02:06:20 < JoeLlama> kevtris's PCB: http://gerblook.org/pcb/JTtikCWit4ezouDz9p37Fn#front
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T02:06:23 < JoeLlama> <kevtris> fpga videogame system
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T02:06:48 < JoeLlama> ok gotta go baby sit a ferris wheel
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:58:20 < csrss> Top of the Day: Did you know that God is the result of BSOD in Matrix?
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:58:23 < ohsix> emma: and 'organisms', there may be an organism that take advantage of these undetectable things OoTLink mentioned earlier, but if they don't survive then it's moot, and we'll never examine them for that novel feature
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:58:33 < MjrTom> the cake is a lie!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:58:49 < Ech74> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:58:57 < Ech74> Tell that to Fluffy:)
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T03:59:02 < ohsix> emma: you don't really look for evidence in animals of the nature you are describing, though
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T04:13:55 < ohsix> this was very much just about me being dismissive and emma actually noticing
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T04:13:58 < MjrTom> true
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T04:14:09 < MjrTom> lets talk about how crazy it is to believe in plutoniums
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T04:14:29 < Ech74> Heres a question...earlier i had a problem with a new laptop but now it stopped,, when it loaded into windows it would flicker,, ran the function/pwr diag and all systems showed fine..was it simply a driver issue?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:02:56 < Lord_Nightmare> they have the replacement led board for hexbright for sale there for $15
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2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:06:16 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, my first paycheque is gonna be almost $2,000
2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:06:35 < hjf> FreezingCold: what did you do
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:06:38 < hjf> vip prostitute?
2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:06:51 < FreezingCold> I would be raking in way more in prostitution
2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:07:04 < FreezingCold> I actually wouldn't mind that career, except the gay sex and fat chicks
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:07:16 < hjf> oh come on
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:07:23 < hjf> whats wrong wit fat chicks
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:07:24 < hjf> dude
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:07:31 < hjf> they make a snack after sex
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:07:37 < hjf> or so i've heard
2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:07:40 < FreezingCold> I'm getting paid for a week I didn't work because my boss was in a rush and dated the HR paperwork early
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2014-06.log:2014-06-06T06:21:12 < JFK911> FreezingCold: if you were a prostitute would you charge by the pound?
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:21:14 < csrss> dongbag: not too much different from 0% THD
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:21:36 < dongbag> really?
2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:21:51 < csrss> e.g. 0% THD Justin Bieber vs 10% THD Justin Bieber
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:30:22 < csrss> yea, frequency response/freq-distortion graph should be considered.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-06T06:31:27 < csrss> dongbag: http://www.tonmeister.ca/wordpress/2012/11/10/never-trust-a-thdn-measurement-v2/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T00:59:03 <@SpeedEvil> Or, of course it's I2C
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T00:59:14 <@SpeedEvil> ^brightness too
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:01:11 < rrn> It's funny...the first chapter, although part of the front matter, of the practical electronics textbook that I'm reading reviews elementary algebra by providing rules (for rote memorization!?) on manipulating numbers expressed in powers of 10 notation.
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T01:01:21 < FreezingCold> ahhhhhhh
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T01:01:23 < FreezingCold> god I hate work washrooms
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T01:01:25 < FreezingCold> favorite part of coming home
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:01:43 < mozzarella> when you have a cable of two wires, and one is colored, which one is the power (vs ground)?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:01:54 < dhrosa> depends on the colors
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:01:56 < dhrosa> what are they?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:18:30 < Firehopper> no idea.. search for a constant current driver
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:19:09 < Firehopper> most high power led drivers are constant current drivers..
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:19:27 < Ech74> http://www.ti.com.cn/general/cn/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=lm138&fileType=pdf
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:19:30 < jnewt> problem is, there's too much variation in the trip points when the termperature is varied.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:38:00 < Duzz> solder issues
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:38:50 < Duzz> I can find lots of mean times to failure but they are always for -50->125 size ranges not small ones
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:39:19 < Ech74> Its the design on the board vs heat source
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:39:29 < Ech74> ie: plasma tvs
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:49:00 <@SpeedEvil> how big a BGA?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:49:17 < Duzz> 334, its just odd to me that I cant find many references on this
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:49:54 < Ech74> Duzz: imho to many vairables
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:50:19 < Ech74> Duzz: byt you would think there would be a ref guide
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T01:50:19 <@SpeedEvil> Duzz: you've looked on TI searching for 'tehrmal bga' ?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:08 < JFK911> LeelooMinai: what could go wrong?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:11 < GPF_1>  No, your just trying to start trouble.
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:12 < LeelooMinai> GPF_1: It was already linked by someone at least once...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:25 < GPF_1>  Provide a link!
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:27 < Ech74> :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T02:06:31 < LeelooMinai> ^ just few lines above...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T04:12:45 < AR_> well
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T04:13:03 < LeelooMinai> AR_: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3901/14362017434_b739d81f51_o.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T04:13:20 < LeelooMinai> I added limit switches and mounted the digital "scales"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T04:13:29 < LeelooMinai> Had to make some adapters for them, but it's all done now
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T04:13:51 < AR_> looks nice
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T16:56:04 < hjf> what do i need to configure that? i think only a mouse? i think i saw one that only needed a mouse to set up
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T17:05:57 < JFK911> emma: everything in the daily mail must be true
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2014-06.log:2014-06-07T21:27:41 < FreezingCold> [14:17:21] <zigggggy> pepsi you should take beaky with you for a fun night
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T21:27:43 < FreezingCold> sounds illegal
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T21:27:56 < pepsi> :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T21:29:11 < archivist> or less
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T21:29:24 < FreezingCold> na, I'm pretty sure he's not younger
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T21:29:30 < FreezingCold> I started IRC at around 12 or 13 I think
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:11:47  * SpeedEvil quacks.
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:12:05 < Username___> i'm just puzzeled why the driver examples by all manufactures are so utterly poor.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:13:11 < LeelooMinai> Username___: Because they write them using brute force approach being safe - they do not hide hardware, but they do almost nothing to make them usable without too much coopy/paste repetition
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:27:59 < Vaquedoso> is there anybody?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:33:55 < upgrdman> have a scope?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:34:13 < Vaquedoso> and i tested them, and there is energy both entering and leaving the charger
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:34:41 < upgrdman> hmm. did you connect the output wires correctly? (not reverse polarity)
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T22:34:54 < FreezingCold> ding ding
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:35:03 < upgrdman> hi fc
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:35:19 < Evidlo> Vaquedoso: Is it the correct voltage?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:35:58 < Vaquedoso> that's what i am afraid of. I think i cinnected them as they were before. the gnd to the gnd port and the vout to the vout port
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:52:04 < SpeedEvil> Turn it on, measure voltages on PSU
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:52:30 < io__> ok
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:52:31 < Evidlo> Why do you need this old thing anyways?
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T22:52:58 < FreezingCold> Evidlo: what's he doing?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:53:02 < io__> Evidlo: it is for my cousin's academic purpose only;
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:53:18 < io__> i want to make it functional
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T22:53:24 < io__> again
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2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:19:12 < FreezingCold> Is X10 decent?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:19:37 < FreezingCold> the device I was working with yesterday seemed to be really laggy
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:19:50 < FreezingCold> and wouldn't work in the shop due to interference
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2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:20:56 < FreezingCold> oh, X10 is powerline?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T23:22:20 < zigggggy> SpeedEvil is eco terrorism a big thing in the UK?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-07T23:22:37 < SpeedEvil> No.
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:23:07 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i have some radio stuff i'm still using that calls itself x10
2014-06.log:2014-06-07T23:23:44 < FreezingCold> I was told it was wireless, but I think it might be power line?
2014-06.log-2014-06-07T23:24:13 < ohsix> wuh 310mhz
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:01:55 < LeelooMinai> anisfarhana: Well, the problem with this is, that it's probably not worth the risk - it won't melt solder, and you have pretty low chance it will fix any solder joints permanently.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:01:57 < tawr> it's so popular for smt manufacture and reflowing that there are COUTLESS ready-made arduino controllers for it, for this specific reason. you can whip one up in 10 minutes
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:02:21 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, first paycheque is gonna be nearly $2k before tax
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:02:21 < ohsix> i'm on board with 'not worth the risk', not until you've ruled out anything else at least
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:02:30 < FreezingCold> watch it go down to nearly $1k after taxes lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:02:32 < anisfarhana> tawr: http://goo.gl/PYfY8u, my oven is 95% same like this one, just white in color :D
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:02:39 < Astaelan-> anisfarhana: It also depends on the type of solder, I appologize if I missed you saying the type you're using.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:02:47 < Astaelan-> I think 180 is for 60/40?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:03:08 < FreezingCold> yuck, lead
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:03:13 < FreezingCold> I don't even like lead solder
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:03:19 < anisfarhana> LeelooMinai: Like i said before, its better to do something about it (In fact i know the card is problem already), rather than throw it away.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:03:27 < LeelooMinai> anisfarhana: Personally I would not try to reflow it until I would be sure that what you think the temperatures are there are really what they are - you would need at least to stick a thermocouple inside the oven.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:03:30 < FreezingCold> I have this shitty iron that's all oxidized at work
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:03:32 < FreezingCold> pisses me off
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:04:05 < Astaelan-> Side note, I've been looking for a good project, I might pick up an oven and add a timer circuit and thermocouple and make it self managing.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:04:18 < LeelooMinai> anisfarhana: Sure, but you know - that's getting dangerously close to hitting it with a hammer because it's doing something and who knows
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:04:24 < ohsix> anisfarhana: you'll end up throwing it away anyways if you damage it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:09:28 < anisfarhana> ohsix: I can give you the screenshot of mine.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:09:50 < ohsix> anisfarhana: a camera picture is more useful, but if it shows up in screenshots it might be something else
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:10:09 < anisfarhana> Yes i mean taken from phone camera..
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:10:16 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I frigging love impact drivers
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:10:28 < anisfarhana> tawr :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:10:32 < tawr> FreezingCold - damn right.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:10:36 < FreezingCold> they're awesome
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:10:45 < FreezingCold> why have i never used one until a week ago?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:10:47 < anisfarhana> Hang on, I am searching the photos
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:00 < tawr> FreezingCold, my favorite right now is the milwaukee m12 FUEL (brushless) impact
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:01 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: What were you doing there?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:19 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: unscrewing and screwing back on wheel chair stuff
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:11:22 < tawr> LeelooMinai - hi
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:36 < tawr> FreezingCold - don't forget to buy square drive arbors!
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:36 < FreezingCold> the sales reps get pissed off when I use it to screw stuff on though, cause it hurts like crazy to undo it by hand lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:11:52 < FreezingCold> tawr: a what?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:12:07 < LeelooMinai> I have a compressor powered one. When I was screwing base for garden shed it sounded like during formula 1 race in a pitstop
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:12:09 < tawr> FreezingCold - for ~10 bucks you can get adapters that go into the impact, that let you use sockets. buy the 1/4" 3/8" and 1/2" socket adapters
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:12:24 < FreezingCold> tawr: oh yeah those. We have one at work
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:12:25 < tawr> so you can use any and all ratchet and socket related stuff on it
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:12:40 < FreezingCold> the socket feels like loose tbh
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:12:43 < FreezingCold> I wish it was a tighter fit
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:12:48 < tawr> i don't know what that means
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:12:53 < ohsix> bun sock
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:12:57 < FreezingCold> like the socket heads have a bit of play
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:13:01 < tawr> cheap sockets
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:13:22 < LeelooMinai> Play with the driver or bolts?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:13:49 < tawr> brb - eating real fast.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:14:23 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: uh, like the socket that goes on the adapter
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:14:35 < sabotender> moo
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:14:44 < sabotender> good day FreezingCold
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:14:53 < FreezingCold> sabotender: o/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:22:47 < anisfarhana> LeelooMinai: Not sure where can i find the thermocouple right now sir. I am not the hardware / electronics gurus like you guys here. I watched 'reflowing' video before in youtube..really impressive!
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:22:54 < LeelooMinai> anisfarhana: And yes, when you open the door, the temp inside will drop in half or who know how
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:23:02 < anisfarhana> I even don't know how to use the soldering tools.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:23:12 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: got any suggestions for a bottle of flux?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:23:19 < LeelooMinai> anisfarhana: I am a woman too btw - not sure what you assumed I am a man...
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:23:25 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: no you aren't
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:23:26 < FreezingCold> stop lying
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:23:29 < Astaelan-> anisfarhana: A thermocouple will cost you a couple bucks on any electronics retail site.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:23:36 < anisfarhana> LeelooMinai: Oh sorry.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:23:41 < ohsix> how sure are you that the bios you flahsed to it only changed the voltages?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:30:38 < anisfarhana> LeelooMinai: It make sense, take a look at this --> http://goo.gl/gIcAEE , for you too ohsix.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:30:42 < ohsix> anisfarhana: did you modify a bios you saved from the card and only change the voltage, or did you use a firmware from somewhere else with the voltages
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:30:58 < Astaelan-> anisfarhana: Temp probe works fine, just be aware you have to babysit it, and adjust your oven to stay on, with the door open, to keep the temperature as close as possible.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T01:31:00 < FreezingCold> How do you drop a curb?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:31:23 < Astaelan-> This is why so many people go the route of modifying an oven.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:31:27 < anisfarhana> ohsix: I do saved the stock vbios as STOCK.ROM, then re-flash it with the provided bios files from that site.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T01:31:30 < Astaelan-> And automating it all.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:12:39 < LeelooMinai> d1323: Arduino libraries is another pandora box - they are not really good, so again - good designed final board would probably not use them at all
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:12:39 < BW^-> look
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:12:49 < BW^-> tawr: they dehumidify too?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:13:26 < d1323> LeelooMinai but you can get things done quicker without twiddling with registers manually. and the code is easier to read.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:14:33 < tawr> BW^-
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:14:38 < tawr> what country are you from
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T02:15:11 < LeelooMinai> d1323: That depends on your programming skills.  If you don't have sufficient skills to see that those libraries are bad, I guess you will have to be bound by them.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:47:48 < ohsix> the vision part is a huge constraint, even with the bad gpio of the pi
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:48:20 < ohsix> ooh the sam3x has a usb otg port
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:49:10 < ohsix> hwere have you seen clones anton02? isee the real thing on ebay from china for like 16~
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:49:57 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: fuck yeah, I got the impact and drill set!
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:50:23 < anton02> ohsix: clones of due?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:51:18 < ohsix> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TR3-Mr-Basic-4WD-Robot-Car-For-Arduino-Nano-UNO-Leonardo-Due-Mega-2560-R2-R3-/281241123106?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417b46f922
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:51:20 < anton02> im probably looking at the same one as you. im just assuming its a clone due to the price
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:51:20 < ohsix> anton02: yea
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:51:23 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Electrical or air?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:51:25 < ohsix> ah
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:51:35 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: electric :) I can't use air on the go
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:52:01 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: also sadly I doubt I can use my impact at most client's places, it probably makes too much noise :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:52:36 < LeelooMinai> Yes, well, it's not exactly a subtle tool
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:52:52 < Hyratel1> any of y'all use cast iron cookware?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:53:00 < JFK911> yea ofc
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:53:02 < ohsix> only for bacon
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:53:13 < ohsix> i don't condone other uses
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:53:31 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: I used one in the shop on a client's chain while she was in it and I could tell she wasn't impressed lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:53:34 < LeelooMinai> Works well as a weapon
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:53:35 < FreezingCold> *chair
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:53:48 < FreezingCold> ..chain works too when you think about it :(
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:54:08 < JFK911> you did what with what FreezingCold
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:54:16 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: For a sec I thought it was some S&M job
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:54:45 < Hyratel1> ...kinky
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:55:11 < FreezingCold> JFK911: a client's joystick mount was a little loose, I didn't want to bother finding the right allen key (and I'm lazy), so I just used the impact gun to tighten it
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:55:38 < FreezingCold> she didn't say anything, but her face reaction told me she wasn't happy lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:55:39 < ohsix> .
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:55:47 < JFK911> uh if you had a driver bit you could have done it by hand
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:55:50 < JFK911> wheres your damn torque wrench
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:56:00 < FreezingCold> JFK911: about five feet away
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:56:18 < ohsix> that's not something you can do just because you're lazy
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:56:29 < FreezingCold> ohsix: but it works fine...
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:56:32 < JFK911> you shouldnt tighten anything like that
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:56:35 < ohsix> end up breaking some shit
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:56:44 < ohsix> FreezingCold: you aren't the last guy to ever touch it
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:56:44 < JFK911> smarter people than me already figured out why, i dont need to consider the idea
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:56:46 < FreezingCold> ohsix: that's how we tighten most screws in the shop tbh
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:57:04 < LeelooMinai> chop shop? :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:57:11 < FreezingCold> ohsix: the last two guys tightened it by hand, and it's come loose both times
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:57:40 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Don
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:57:46 < ohsix> you might as well have used red thread locker and put it in one last time
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:57:49 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Don't get too crazy with that impact driver
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:57:58 < JFK911> probably his screws are too small for red, ohsix
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:58:15 < ohsix> well
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:58:17 < ohsix> f jokes
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:58:21 < JFK911> it might be a drill anyway
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:58:23 < ohsix> that wasn't smart to do in general FreezingCold
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:58:44 < JFK911> maybe you re-used locknuts and thats why it came apart
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:58:54 < FreezingCold> ohsix: meh, I can always unscrew it. I don't go overboard with an impact, I can undo it by hand
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:58:57 < delinquentme> Is there a good place to order a single key for a lenovo keyboard?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:59:05 < FreezingCold> I also don't reuse screws if I remove them
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:59:07 < JFK911> how do you know when it's too tight?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:59:09 < FreezingCold> I throw them out
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T04:59:24 < FreezingCold> JFK911: the first loud "bang" is when I stop, it's by feeling
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:59:26 < ohsix> delinquentme: not really, they all wayt like 5$/key top, i just replaced the entire keyboard on mine for ~12, and i have the old one for replacements now :]
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:59:48 < JFK911> agree, get new keyboard
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T04:59:53 < ohsix> wayt? heh, they're all like
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:00:08 < FreezingCold> delinquentme: if one key wears out, the rest will soon
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:00:16 < ohsix> not so much that
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:00:21 < FreezingCold> ohsix: and a serious comment about thread locker, that takes too much time to apply
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:00:22 < JFK911> i let my kid check out ratchets/sockets today
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:00:23 < ohsix> but probably not a bad rule of thumb
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:00:29 < JFK911> i figure as long as i keep the toolbox locked, that is okay
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:00:37 < ohsix> mine lifted on E and i actually tried to repair it with some success :p
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:00:40 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Also, if you want to impress her more next time while she is in that chair, just apply a big pneumatic hammer to it.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:00:46 < JFK911> FreezingCold: one drop on the threads, what are you talking about
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:00:59 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I would have to go fetch it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:01:02 < JFK911> if it takes too much time, you can buy screws with a drop of blue on them.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:01:09 < ohsix> FreezingCold: i only mentioned that because red would seize it in there pretty hard
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:01:26 < ohsix> they have applicators for thread locker if you're oding a lot of fasteners though
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:01:35 < JFK911> CNC applicators
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:01:51 < ohsix> LOL NUTS
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:01:54 < ohsix> (and bolts)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:03:26 < FreezingCold> JFK911: meh, and maintain another cabinet of screws?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:03:28 < FreezingCold> I say impact
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:03:47 < LeelooMinai> You could also try welding
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:03:54 < ohsix> yey
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:04:03 < ohsix> you could also try another thread pitch and just force it in there
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:05:23 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:05:36 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: yes, I will begin to weld on chairs while client's are in them
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:05:41 < FreezingCold> that would be awesome
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:05:57 < ohsix> have the only instruction you give them be 'avert your eyes'
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:06:06 < ohsix> i'll be working around your ass
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:06:08 < LeelooMinai> Well, the plus would be they would never bother you with that again
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:07:06 < delinquentme> FreezingCold,  ohsix $150 sound about right for a new keyboard?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:07:34 < ohsix> MrM0bius: is this what you were doing? http://www.circuitvalley.com/2011/12/two-wire-serial-lcd-16x2-graphics.html (ran across it in random google search)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:07:50 < delinquentme> nm! $20
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:09:31 < ohsix> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wZF8m04l2RM/TxvgFnHE0HI/AAAAAAAAAaw/XLUM6qdLVlg/s1600/SERIAL+LCD+WITH+PIC+12+%25284%2529.JPG oof what a mess
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:26 < FreezingCold> delinquentme: lol no
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:29 < FreezingCold> mine was $15/hr
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:30 < FreezingCold> er
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:31 < FreezingCold> $15
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:10:37 < delinquentme> ohsix, and I can just lift up the key and it wont break right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:10:43 < delinquentme> yeah I found a cheaper one :D
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:44 < FreezingCold> depends on what keyboard
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:10:53 < FreezingCold> I had to remove a ton of stuff on mine
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:10:59 < delinquentme> I should be able to just lift off the new key and put it on the laptop keyboard
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:11:01 < JFK911> delinquentme: search by the lenovo fru number
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:12:56 < ohsix> the netbook i have also from hp is the same
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:13:10 < JFK911> fuck hp
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:13:18 < FreezingCold> delinquentme: depending on what laptop you have, it can be really easy
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:13:32 < FreezingCold> my "compact" acer was a massive pain, but most laptops are frigging easy
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:14:18 < ohsix> JFK911: they're compaq branded ;D
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:28:15 < ohsix> being totally wasted all the time and not 'responsible' for my actions would be sweet
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:30:05 < enu7> anyone have a used NI Elvis for sale?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:30:12 < FreezingCold> damn low quality USB hubs
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:30:14 < FreezingCold> I got one for my router
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:30:17 < FreezingCold> already giving errors
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:30:26 < FreezingCold> it's been like three months -.-
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:32:43 < Callmea> FreezingCold, hi, I hate theses low quality hubs too, many errors with external disk too :/
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:33:07 < FreezingCold> I need it to be reliable too, it's for my networked printing
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:33:35 < ohsix> too bad there's no correlation with price or anything so you could figure out generally if one is good
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:34:50 < Callmea> FreezingCold, :/, i avoid to use them now when i can (not on my laptop :/)
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:34:54 < ohsix> http://www.maytinhviettrung.com/userfiles/Hub-USb-10-ports-Hub-USB-10-cong-bo-chia-usb.jpg i can generally vouch for ones that look like this
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:35:10 < ohsix> even with shitty build quality they're ok
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:35:13 < FreezingCold> Callmea: Why? I love having it networked
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:35:25 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I think it's the dirty power supply that killed it
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:35:59 < Callmea> I want to say (my english is bad), i prefere long wires to hubs when i can
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:36:12 < Hyratel1> someone I know embedded one of those ina  modM type clicky keyboard
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:37:07 < Hyratel1> they have a 4 port hub daisy chained off a port of a 7 port hub
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T05:38:32 < hjf> panel i'm working on: http://imgur.com/a/SGuyX
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:41:55 < FreezingCold> hjf: you've been working on that one job for awhile eh?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:46:07 < hjf> FreezingCold: yeah... several factors (avaiability, laziness, other projects... :P)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:46:51 < FreezingCold> fair enough :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:46:59 < FreezingCold> I haven't gotten nearly as much done as I used to now that I work full time :
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:47:00 < FreezingCold> :(
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:47:39 < hjf> FreezingCold: heh.. well this is a paid job :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:47:58 < FreezingCold> I wish I could get paid per job
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:48:08 < FreezingCold> hourly is so discouraging
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:48:15 < FreezingCold> it feels like high school all over again
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:48:23 < FreezingCold> 5pm hits, everyone bolts
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T05:48:33 < FreezingCold> nothing gets done after around 4-4:30pm
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:40:13 < fahadash> dhrosa, No capacitance
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:40:18 < dhrosa> I think they would ask me to leave if I carried a gun
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:40:23 < dhrosa> opposite  effect
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:40:28 < FreezingCold> fucking community fair
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:40:31 < FreezingCold> it's nearly midnight
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:40:36 < FreezingCold> still blasting retarded music
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:40:40 < madist> mutter to yourself and act crazy
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:40:45 < Hodapp> dhrosa: then complain about your rights
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:41:20 < dhrosa> 12th ammendment: the right to eat in at papa john's
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:41:24 < ohsix> they don't sell pizza by the slice or anything, there were no tables inside the one here at all
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:41:31 < FreezingCold> I wanna call the cops, but I don't want to be an asshole that reports a family event
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:41:41 < ohsix> go to a better pizza place ;D
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:41:48  * dhrosa looks up what the 12th ammendment actually is
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:41:50 < Hodapp> FreezingCold: report it, you probably aren't the only one annoyed
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:41:57 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:02 < fahadash> Aw crap, please ignore that
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:42:02 < FreezingCold> I'll give them another 30 minutes
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:15 < dhrosa> fahadash: is there actually capacitance?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:25 < ohsix> you can't tell the 'family' that people might call the cops?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:28 < fahadash> I found what the problem is, I had an extra wire in parallel bypassing the relay
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:41 < dhrosa> a resistor bypassing the relayy
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:42:46 < fahadash> yes
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:43:04 < FreezingCold> ohsix: er, it's a family fair event
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:43:08 < FreezingCold> like, a community event
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:08 < madist> I have a part - I don't know if its specified in imperial or SI units. Measures 22mm or 13/16ths of an inch. what do you think ? imperial or SI ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:11 < fahadash> Do you gurus have a good name for this kind of error other than "stupidity" ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:12 < dhrosa> the 12th ammendment is actually the proecudre for electing the president and vice-president.... close enough!
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:43:20 < FreezingCold> madist: use either
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:43:23 < ohsix> FreezingCold: errrrr then it doesn't matter
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:43:39 < FreezingCold> madist: maybe SI, but yeah use what you got
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:44 < ohsix> they may not do anything but they keep notes
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:46 < fahadash> Its so hard to keep track of each wires when working on breadboards
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:43:57 < dhrosa> fahadash: keep your wires as short and straight as possible
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:05 < dhrosa> anything hanging over the breadboard is gonna be a mess and hard to follow
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:11 < ohsix> usually you can't have them do something by ordnance unless it's after 10pm or something
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:44:25 < madist> FreezingCold: I'm not interest in the dimensions. (already have it measured) I'm trying to figure out if it was originally designed in mm or in inches. neither 22 nor 13/16 seem natural to me.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:30 < ohsix> ordinance lul
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:32 < ohsix> statute
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:34 < ohsix> buns
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:40 < dhrosa> fahadash: not like this: http://cdn.instructables.com/FDD/PEJS/GSUT2ROV/FDDPEJSGSUT2ROV.MEDIUM.jpg but http://brenq.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/dsc_0043.jpg?w=497
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:44 < fahadash> And I use those rails liberally, I skip over many just so it is easy for the legs of resistors, I don't know how you guys do that
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T06:44:55 < FreezingCold> madist: 13/16th isn't super common IIRC?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:44:58 < dhrosa> you might want to consider buying a little jumper wire kit
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T06:45:06 < dhrosa> that comes precut and bent in various sizes
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T07:07:16 < FreezingCold> How does the hot water control work on this one?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T07:07:16 < FreezingCold> www.ebay.ca/itm/Nice-automatic-sensor-chrome-Infrared-ray-bathroom-sink-tap-faucet-TF89000-/310905389668?pt=US_Faucets&hash=item486367c264 triangle
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T07:07:47 < Nitrxgen> if I short a cap out and sparks fly all over the place, is there a rule of thumb for the peak Amp being drawn from the cap?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T17:01:23 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: How hard is it to move a wall?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:20:20 < davor> precisely
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:20:34 < davor> that's the only thing I'm sure of :p
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:20:39 < FreezingCold> JFK911: this is literally days late, but yes, I would charge by the pound
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:20:57 < JFK911> FreezingCold: interesting what the best choice is to maximize profits
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:21:09 < davor> _abc_, I am not sure what wires the speaker and the mic get connected to when the button isn't pressed (on the schematic)
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:11 < FreezingCold> JFK911: :S
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:20 < FreezingCold> hey what size are most socket wrenches?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:28 < FreezingCold> I'm buying an adapter for my impact
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:35 < FreezingCold> need to go from 1/4" to....?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:40 < JFK911> FreezingCold: have a constraint and possibly lose customers, but then you might miss a high paying customer (that you might need downtime after)
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:21:42 < archivist> the drive is usuall 1/2"
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:21:53 < JFK911> you'll commonly find 1/4 3/8 1/2
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:21:54 < gde33> http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/RFR-11_28-research-summary.pdf
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:21:59 < FreezingCold> archivist: really? I was gonna guess 3/8"
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:03 < _abc_> Mind you your schematic misses a few parts such as Q1
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:03 < JFK911> however impact sockets are softer than hand ones
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:12 < davor> hm, good point _abc_
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:26 < _abc_> Which means there may be other fascinating details omitted
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:28 < archivist> it not entirely sensible to impact 3/8 and 1/4
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:22:30 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I'm using bits from work mostly, so it's fine if they get stripped as hell
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:22:56 < JFK911> you should get cr-mo adapters/extensions if you are using them on an impact
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:01 < JFK911> usually they will be black in color
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:03 < davor> basically, I'd just like to detect when the unlock button is pressed (which is the simple part) and when someone rings the intercom from downstairs (this I have no idea how to pull off given that it's using only two wires)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:26 < archivist> standard shiny sockets will break
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:42 < JFK911> i heard that but i have been reckless with my tools and havent broken any
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:46 < JFK911> i only tried it with lifetime warranty ones
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:23:48 < FreezingCold> archivist: na, not that often
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:57 < JFK911> still i believe its a dumb thing to try
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:23:59 < archivist> I just bought so extra impact sockets on Friday
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:24:10 < JFK911> no reason not to, taiwan sockets are good and cheap
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:24:42 < JFK911> also drills arent impacts
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:24:49 < FreezingCold> impact drills
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:24:52 < archivist> I have air hammer impact driver
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:24:54 < FreezingCold> that's what i call them ;p
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:24:58 < JFK911> they dont have impact drills.
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:25:01 < FreezingCold> archivist: okay, THOSE you can fuck stuff up with
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:25:05 < archivist> they are not called drills
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:25:08 < FreezingCold> fine
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:25:22 < davor> _abc_, however, here there is only one speaker, and that's the one in the headphone
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:25:22 < JFK911> if you have a drill with an adjustable clutch its not an impact driver
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:26:43 < JFK911> _abc_: you mean the thing that twists when you hammer on it?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:26:45 < FreezingCold> _abc_: they just slip out right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:26:50 < JFK911> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:27:24 < _abc_> Yes they are not meant to be abused
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:45:52 < hjf> industrial stuff is big
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:46:02 < davor> JFK911, problem is, I'd like to not have to connect the grounds of the mcu circuit and the intercom
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:46:48 < FreezingCold> hjf: isn't MODBUS okay?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:47:18 < hjf> FreezingCold: yes...but modbus on a contactor/
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:47:19 < hjf> ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:47:28 < FreezingCold> fuck yeah, automate dat shit
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:47:42 < FreezingCold> AUTOMATIONNATION
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:47:59 < hjf> _abc_: i'm reading about motor protectors... they're just thermo-magnetic breakers but with a different curve
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:48:11 < hjf> and adjustable
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:48:27 < FreezingCold> hjf: biggest tip is just to do NO
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:48:31 < FreezingCold> NC is generally a bad idea
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:49:04 < hjf> one with auxiliary "tripped" contacts so i can flash lights in case it trips
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:49:27 < hjf> FreezingCold: do they even make NC contactors/
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:49:37 < FreezingCold> I hope not
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:50:07 < FreezingCold> that's as useful as a WORM drive
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:50:16 < FreezingCold> er
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:50:31 < FreezingCold> *write many, read once :p
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:52:16 < Bird|otherbox> FreezingCold: actually, no :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T20:52:22 < FreezingCold> Bird|otherbox: what?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:52:35 < Bird|otherbox> well, I'd say it depends on the contact design
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:52:49 < Bird|otherbox> in the MV world, what you'd have there is a remote trip on a breaker
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:52:56 < Bird|otherbox> well, breaker/protection relay
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T20:59:29 < MichelleZ> hfj, yes they do, we use to buy just N/C contactors but they haev got harder to source so now we use high current balast ones that have a pair of NC and a pair of NO
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:47:22 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: You use RFD a lot right?
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:47:29 < FreezingCold> Polesch: you're into tubes?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:48:46 < tawr> howdy JFK911
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:48:59 < JFK911> cheers
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:49:46 < FreezingCold> JFK911: I would just pick the skinny clients. Wouldn't go big for a big payment
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:49:49 < FreezingCold> not worth it
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:49:51 < FreezingCold> I could die
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:50:32 < tawr> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:50:58 < tawr> speaking of 'big' clients, I think I may have finally saved a family member's life
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:51:17 < JFK911> did you disconnect the drivethru speaker at jack in the box
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:51:51 < FreezingCold> tawr: oh?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:52:23 < tawr> she had gained over 100lb in under a year, and was already class 1 or 2 obese to begin with
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:52:41 < tawr> so I showed her TiTP and /r/immobile and scared the fuck out of her. she's lost 15lb since I showed her that 2-3 weeks ago.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:53:38 < JFK911> Polesch: (6Н23П)
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:53:51 < tawr> btw mrdata, pm
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:54:34 < JFK911> Polesch: http://www.ebay.com/itm/261410441540
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:55:03 < FreezingCold> tawr: I'd probably get pretty suicidal if I got over 200 lbs
2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:55:20 < FreezingCold> I already feel too heavy at 153 lbs, I'd be happy at 130 lbs
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:55:33 < JFK911> Polesch: http://www.ebay.com/itm/221439263788
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:55:39 < tawr> that's a bit low for a male unless you're very short
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:55:52 < JFK911> how do you get +100 lbs in 1 year
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T21:56:16 < FreezingCold> tawr: 5' 9"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:56:25 < JFK911> i dont get it, i take in 3000 cals a day
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T21:56:38 < smeding> there's two calories iirc
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:11:36 < tawr> but, it's purely psychological.
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:11:42 < tawr> for the VAST majority of people
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:12:23 < tawr> i'd say less than .1% of obese (any catagory) people have anything even remotely close to a physical or neurological condition that would explain their issues. the vast majority are just.. fat.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:15:38 < tawr> "I am going to get diabetes - my whole family has it - so I should just enjoy life and food."
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:15:58 < tawr> versus "I refuse to get diabetes like the rest of my family, and eat and exercise accordingly."
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T22:37:31 < FreezingCold> For low volume plastic casings, where should I look to?
2014-06.log-2014-06-08T22:37:40 < JFK911> hammond, pactec
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2014-06.log:2014-06-08T22:38:57 < FreezingCold> hmm, wonder if they'd do a small run of like 50pcs
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2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:16:43 < FreezingCold> I'm looking for a little four button switch with just NO contacts for a project
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:16:45 < FreezingCold> suggestions?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:17:02 < hoverboard> no contacts?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:17:06 < hoverboard> have you tried Legos?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:17:07 < tawr> normally open :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:17:08 < FreezingCold> normally open
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:17:09 < SpeedEvil> tawr: In R/C class motors - sure
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:19:18 < ShadowJK> ultrafire is also the most cloned brand
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2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:20:11 < FreezingCold> looking for something around 25x25mm for each button
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:20:13 < tawr> ShadowJK - i have the new m12 fuel system
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:20:17 < FreezingCold> including casing
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:20:20 < tawr> FreezingCold, be more specific bud
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:20:27 < anton02> i cant believe dx has free shipping to australia. is there a catch?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:20:37 < tawr> how much power do the switches have to have? momentary normally open? push button?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:20:49 < tawr> what form factor, what size..
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:20:50 < FreezingCold> tawr: a small pushbutton in a case
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:20:53 < FreezingCold> that's all I want
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:20:57 < ShadowJK> tawr; got that at $work. First day when it arrived, and people came ogling it, there were a few wrist injuries :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:21:01 < FreezingCold> brb
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:21:20 < tawr> ShadowJK - seriously. i have the m12 fuel 1/2" hammer drill, and the fuel impact
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:21:32 < tawr> i sold my dewalt 20V max drill and impact once I got the m12
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:21:50 < tawr> less than 1/3rd of the weight, more power, smaller, longer run time..
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:24:47 < tawr> i've been lusting over it for a long time, it has GREAT reviews
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:25:03 < SpeedEvil> It's really awesome compared to a drill/driver.
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:25:16 < FreezingCold> tawr: so yeah, just a switch with wires sticking out of it
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:25:24 < SpeedEvil> There is none of that 'need to lean on it to hold it in the screw'
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:25:26 < tawr> http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2351-20
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:25:28 < ShadowJK> That brand is not marketed for public here, and our boss quickly hides brochures so we wont lust after new toys.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:26:09 < anton02> which well known companies manufcature photo resistors? I'm trying to find one that has a decent datasheet
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:26:19 < tawr> Hyratel1 - how big is your tank? i did a ton of resaerch and built a pretty nice tank a while back
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:26:32 < Hyratel1> just a 5 gallon bucket
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:26:35 < tawr> FreezingCold - so why can't you find it?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:26:52 < Hyratel1> but I'll need to find/make a tank large enough for the cast iron i want to treat
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:26:56 < FreezingCold> tawr: on ebay all I'm finding is just a loose button with no casing
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:26:59 < R0b0t1> anton02: Not sure there's a name brand. What are you wanting to do?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:27:03 < SpeedEvil> Hyratel1: small kiddy pool
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:27:07 < Hyratel1> don't want to use parents' plastic totes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:28:49 < tawr> http://i.imgur.com/xaJXNHa.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:28:55 < Hyratel1> I wonder though - can you use carbon anodes instead of iron
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:28:55 < tawr> after 2 minutes
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:28:57 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: do you use an impact for screwing stuff on or only removal?
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:29:02 < Hyratel1> what's your power supply
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T02:29:12 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: It's great for screwing more than trivial sized screws
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:29:12 < tawr> Hyratel1 - far too expensive for carbon anodes
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:29:24 < tawr> i decided to do 20x the surface area of every other setup i've seen and it works GREAT
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T02:29:37 < Hyratel1> I had a 12amp dumb charger but it blew out a diode and that caused it to smoke the transformer
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T03:22:37 < AR_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr7bPmGTQUk
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T03:22:37 < AR_> lol
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T04:36:07 < tawr> by far, what point is there to having awesome 3d models of everything, if you can't do anything with them
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T04:36:27 < sstraw> input data for games or analysis work.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T04:37:10 < anton02> you could 3d scan the world and make the matrix real
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T04:37:10 < sstraw> The scanner has it's uses, but yea, for the average DIY, the printer is the thing delivering more utility.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-09T07:18:33 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Hex-Shank-Clamp-Replacement-Metal-Quick-Change-Bit-Holder-1-4-/271183623498?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f23cdb54a
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T07:18:36 < FreezingCold> that seems a bit expensive
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2014-06.log-2014-06-09T07:19:03 < upgrdman> whats it do? looks like a little exension.
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T07:19:11 < upgrdman> 1/4 hex ... to 1/4 hex?
2014-06.log:2014-06-09T07:19:26 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: just want to add a quick change holder to my drill so I can quickly swap bits between my impact and drill
2014-06.log-2014-06-09T07:19:40 < upgrdman> oh, quick change. gotcha
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:01:26 < DoYouKnow> in terms of getting really involved
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:04:33 < overburn> so do you guys know any good circuit simulator that can also emulate microcontrollers ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:56:54 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: Personal question, how do you make money without having a full time job?
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:57:07 < FreezingCold> I hate working full time. I can't wait until I quit
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:57:34 < Jan-> SpeedEvil: you want to do the job I have booked tomorrow? I'm beat :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:57:49 < csrss> freelancing?
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:57:50 < johnflux> FreezingCold: http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:57:57 < johnflux> FreezingCold: I freelance
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:58:00 < Jan-> yeah.
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:58:07 < johnflux> FreezingCold: read that website though
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:58:15 < SpeedEvil> Jan-: Alas not. I've been having an exhausted day today too.
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:58:18 < csrss> I don't have a full time job and have no problem living with just freelancing
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:58:28 < Jan-> I didn't start out exhausted
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:58:46 < ohsix> csrss: castles in the sky in rockband is pretty good
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2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:58:57 < johnflux> FreezingCold: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQypxO5Y38
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:58:57 < FreezingCold> csrss: what kind of work?
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:59:15 < Jan-> and with that I'm going to bed
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:59:16 < csrss> ohsix: never heard of them :D I might have a go with it
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:59:16 < Jan-> nini all :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:59:25 < csrss> FreezingCold: sometimes software, sometimes hardware, etc
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T01:59:44 < FreezingCold> csrss: where do you find clients that pay decently and aren't a bitch to work for?
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T01:59:51 < ohsix> argh castles made of sand
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T02:00:31 < ohsix> (jimi hendrix)
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T02:00:32 < csrss> FreezingCold: mostly through connections, but I do take kijiji or other jobs from time to time
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T02:00:48 < FreezingCold> csrss: do you usually have to meet the clients in person?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-13T02:01:46 < csrss> FreezingCold: yes, I often go to their office for discussing requirements and pay on the first day. and also once again when the task is complete
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T02:02:25 < johnflux> I freelance, but I stay well away from the clients, and go through a company that finds the work etc
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T02:03:01 < johnflux> So I tend to only work for large companies that want to take on dozens of freelancers at a time
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:02:23 < filadome> at least i have some signal now, i'm going to run the signal through my pc
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:02:59 < malinus> ohsix, the idea is that the alternator actually requires torque. this just sinks the heat, which you do anyway, but now you get energy from it too.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:04:41 < ohsix> filadome: The audio output level of the TEA5767/68 radio IC is not sufficient to directly drive a speaker or headphone. A
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:18:01 < ohsix> http://www.globalte.com/products/GlobalTEGs/ heh neat
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:18:09 < Mattx> I've seen two of another brand which do the same
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T03:19:23 < ohsix> hmmmmmmm who was the guy that was 50 miles away from reasonable internet access, solar was out and stuff
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T04:54:31 < LeelooMinai> E, overpriced
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T04:54:55 < OoTLink> you can get a mechanical for $50
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T04:55:14 < nofxx> LeelooMinai, yeah... and it's (maybe not for the $50) a one in a life buy
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T04:55:45 < LeelooMinai> It will be plain though - no backlight on marking
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T04:55:53 < OoTLink> http://www.tankguys.com/mechnical-keyboards/ducky-keyboard-mx-overclock-net-edition-black-abs-1.html
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T05:09:32 < nofxx> Haxxa, plug in a p2-p2 and test... I would do that even with a datasheet hehe... you'll never know..
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T05:10:16 < Miriam> a question for anyone to answer: lets say a piece of glass is infront of your eye that has a picture. but just like as you would wear glasses, it is too close to the eye for you to see clearly. if so, is there a way to add another piece of glass to make it look far away?
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T05:12:47 < nofxx> Miriam, I can help with keywords for you: focus, FOV and HUD
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T05:13:53 < Miriam> ok, i can try those...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T06:57:54 < Loshki> ohsix: but it's a water vapor at well below 100. Like a humid day...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-13T07:01:34 < FreezingCold> so I applied for the Chase/Amazon.ca credit card
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T07:01:48 < FreezingCold> pretty sick, no forex fees aside from the standard Visa ones
2014-06.log:2014-06-13T07:02:01 < FreezingCold> and Visa international's rates are pretty much bang on
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T07:02:12 < Loshki> anton02: Um, I just re-read your statement, and I think we're in agreement. It's steam until it falls below 100, then it's vapor...
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T07:02:33 < brick> more cedit info
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T07:03:13 < ohsix> Loshki: http://ideafix.litec.csic.es/personal/felix/2002-EinF-v33n3.pdf has background and neat pictures
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T08:21:40 < sammyb> what are you after?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-13T08:22:33 < ross`> Learning
2014-06.log-2014-06-13T08:22:39 < ross`> what do you think is a better quality PNP transistor
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T02:53:48 < ohsix> there is a long tunnel of the subject in the middle of this conversation, and we're shouting at eachother from either end
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T02:53:58 < MjrTom> how can you be in love if you can't (or wont) define it spontaneously in some few sentences on IRC?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T02:54:01 < ohsix> somewhere in the middle is the definition of intelligence and love
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T02:54:14 < ohsix> you're conflating being in love and love existing as a concept if you can't define it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T02:54:31 < peepsalot> thinking about getting some LED floodlights for my driveway and back yard/porch.  anyone have experience with them?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:09:20 < ohsix> there are efficacy ratings for any given system you would put together that are much more objective
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:10:13 < ohsix> peepsalot: i would also compare lumens to incandescent or your alternatives, chances are if you get a 100w or even a 50w one it will be much, much too bright
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:10:37 < peepsalot> ohsix, yeah i was thinking of trying around 10W
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:10:52 < FreezingCold> wow
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:10:55 < FreezingCold> people i work with
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:06 < FreezingCold> they were about to throw out a $1k joystick module
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:11:11 < ohsix> i want one on my bike D:
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:30 < FreezingCold> told me under 20 minutes and used another broken one to fix it.
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:38 < FreezingCold> now we can sell it easily for $250
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:44 < FreezingCold> knowing us we'll sell it for $500
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:11:51 < peepsalot> use it to play KSP
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:55 < FreezingCold> KSP?
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:11:58 < FreezingCold> kerbal space program?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:12:03 < peepsalot> yeah :P
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:12:46 < ohsix> 'established schemes' also implies someone is ther eto establish them
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:13:00 < ohsix> which is not true even for humans
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:13:09 < FreezingCold> but damn, I hate how wasteful the average business is in this country
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T03:13:13 < FreezingCold> I can't stand it
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:13:20 < MjrTom> ohsix to continue this topic, please also join #ai
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T03:13:34 < ohsix> heh
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:02:32 < FreezingCold> uh I have this weird "4.000" in the left corner of my UT71C DMM and I can't figure out why
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:02:36 < FreezingCold> it looks like it's a max voltage or something
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:02:37 < FreezingCold> but
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:03:41 < FreezingCold> oh, that might be the current setting it's on
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:04:43 < ohsix> http://www.uni-trend.com/manual2/UT71CDE%20Eng%20Manual.pdf page 21
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:06:13 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:06:15 < FreezingCold> thanks
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:08:04 < GPF_1> yeah, no problem.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:14:03 < the_file> if I could only figure out how to adjust output voltage in a hall effect sensor, I suspect supply voltage is how its done, just not well said in data sheets
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:14:15 < GPF_1> terminal 2 normall would be used on the High side.
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:14:29 < FreezingCold> god Canada Post sucks
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:14:33 < ohsix> data buns
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:14:36 < FreezingCold> trying to sigh up for paperless pay stubs
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:15:59 < the_file> FreezingCold: is usps any better?
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:16:07 < FreezingCold> yes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:18:08 < GPF_1> ok, good night...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:20:42 < FreezingCold> there we go
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:20:44 < FreezingCold> chromium worked
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:23:59 < the_file> having issues with their site?
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:24:15 < FreezingCold> well I was. Now that I signed up it works fine
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:24:16 < FreezingCold> it's so funny
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:24:25 < FreezingCold> Canada Post is trying to reinvent emails
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:24:33 < FreezingCold> whatever, I just wanted an online pay statement
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:24:37 < FreezingCold> fuck paper
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:24:53 < the_file> paper good
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:25:08 < the_file> hardcopy is good evidence
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:25:31 < FreezingCold> not really. I can save shit and it goes online to my bank account anyway
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:27:59 < ohsix> probably the most sane thing he's ever said
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:28:40 < ohsix> no it is'nt
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:29:11 < the_file> sound mind and sanity aren't the same
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:29:12 < ohsix> but individual statements can be evaluated by themselves
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:29:13 < FreezingCold> ohsix: me or the_file ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:41:09 < FreezingCold> wut
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:41:13 < FreezingCold> I pay 20% tax?
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:41:17 < FreezingCold> er, 23%
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:41:30 < the_file> pay unto ceasar
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:41:43 < FreezingCold> that seems too high
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:41:47 < FreezingCold> I don't make much money...
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:41:51 < the_file> he cares not one fuck what you think
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:42:28 < the_file> its why money is a liquid commodety
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:42:33 < the_file> its difficult to hold
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:43:18 < FreezingCold> it's stupid I have to pay for EI and all that shit
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:43:24 < FreezingCold> I won't ever be using EI most likely -.
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T05:43:26 < FreezingCold> -.-
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:43:48 < the_file> you are ceasars subject
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:43:54 < the_file> act like a good subject
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T05:45:09 < the_file> there was a time in US history were money collected in taxes surpassed national spending
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:12 < davor> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:13 < davor> that was fun
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:19 < ketas> if only it doesn't fall apart
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:34 < davor> lol evilbetty
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:39 < evilbetty> well on tablet i have cyanogen, and on the phone not, and i'm missing a lot of layout personalisation options
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T18:46:44 < evilbetty> and other less important settings
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:01:53 < davor> then it's a simple matter of restoring it via recovery
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:02:07 < davor> which is basically dd if=image of=/dev/efspartitionwhateveritis
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:02:45 < Haxxa> Is there anything I can do with my old cale dish?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:43:33 < ketas> goot is goot
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:43:37 < ketas> goot is good?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:43:40 < ketas> good is goot
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:44:13 < ketas> hahaha, one place names it "Goot Wick Remover"
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:44:20 < hetii> madist: where you find this table?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T19:44:37 < madist> hetii: google ?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:05:19 < davor> lol SpeedEvil
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:05:28 < davor> I am terribly sorry evilbetty
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:15:03 < davor> unfortunately I have no idea
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:15:06 < Casper> now.... shall I modify the windows 7 install image to include a few drivers?...
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:15:13 < _abc__> Jan: no
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:15:14 < FreezingCold> oh fun, got new sockets
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:15:32 < FreezingCold> they're actually meant for impacts so hopefully I won't strip them
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:15:55 < FreezingCold> lol when I was using my shitty work job mate sockets I always leave a pile of metal dust behind after
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:15:56 < davor> lol, Arch news gave me a chuckle
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:16:06 < FreezingCold> davor: They do something?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:16:21 < Casper> I think I'll include the network drivers, and possibly usb3.... or maybe just the netwoirk
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:16:26 < davor> screen-4.2.0 cannot reattach older instances
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:16:28 < davor> 9 days later
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:40:47 < FreezingCold> when amazon says " Usually ships in 1 to 2 months " do they actually mean it?
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:40:59 < bulaia> probably
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:41:38 < FreezingCold> fuck I'm cheap
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:41:48 < FreezingCold> I don't want to pay the extra $0.50
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:42:16 < robopal> ffs man, pay
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T20:42:20 < bulaia> thats sad
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2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:43:04 < kfoltman> FreezingCold: wtf, 1-2 months, that's like, after summer is over?
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:43:13 < FreezingCold> bulaia: I know.
2014-06.log:2014-06-14T20:43:21 < FreezingCold> I'm going to order something difficult lol
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T21:53:59 <@SpeedEvil> Buy a 1MHz crystal, and use a standard oscillator circuit
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T21:54:07 <@SpeedEvil> Or a 1MHz oscillator module
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2014-06.log-2014-06-14T21:56:33 < dandan_> SpeedEvil: On the datasheet I did found: Heater(series): 12.6v, Heater(parallel): 6.3v
2014-06.log-2014-06-14T21:57:08 <@SpeedEvil> dandan_: Are there 2 heaters?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T02:58:49 < Saginata> because that's what cyclic pitch is for
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T02:59:02 <@SpeedEvil> you take a helicopter blade, and run two tubes in the blade
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T02:59:25 <@SpeedEvil> you cap one at the near end, one at the far end, and then use the centrifugal pumping to run aerodynamic actuator
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T02:59:32 <@SpeedEvil> you can lose the swash plate!
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:00:08 < nitero> anyways, fuel cells really are a viable option for powering EV's except for their high cost... but the cause of that is the necessary use of platinum as the catylist, but there is research being done for cheaper catalysts
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:01:48 < MjrTom> the controller was 10Kg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:01:54 < nitero> Saginata,  i don't really know, i'd have to research it
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:02:12 < nitero> there's a better store out there too, i just didn't find it immediately
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:02:31 < FreezingCold> hmm, is it worth $20 to get a set of hex/allen key sockets?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:02:34 < FreezingCold> er, $25*
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:02:41 < dhrosa> 25?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:02:48 < dhrosa> how big of a set is this?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:02:58 < dhrosa> I was able to get like 1-2 dozen sizes in SAE and metric for a few bucks
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:09:24 < dhrosa> anyone know what kind of driver I can use to switch an LED on and off at about 30MHz?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:09:41 < dhrosa> not for PWMing purposes
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:09:44 < nitero> i've been trying to find equations for blade twist
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:12:13 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: 7 SAE and 7 SAE
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:12:31 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: where?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:12:36 < nitero> http://fuelcellsetc.com/store/fuel-cells-and-accessories/FuelCells/EOS5000
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:12:37 < FreezingCold> I would love to get something cheaper
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:13:03 < nitero> Saginata,  looks like this 5kw fuel cell uses 61.5 L/min of H
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:13:14 < dhrosa> DISCLAIMER: I haven't actually tried using these yet, and harbor freight can be hit or miss: http://www.harborfreight.com/25-piece-extra-long-hex-key-set-5962.html
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:13:17 < dhrosa> FreezingCold: ^
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:13:39 < nitero> and it looks like it weighs about 2.5kg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:13:56 < nitero> i'm not sure if i'm reading that corectly
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:13:57 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: oh, I want ones for my drill
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:14:01 < dhrosa> oh
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:14:02 < dhrosa> nevermind
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:14:11 < nitero> ah no, about 27.5 kg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:14:11 < Saginata> nitero: it says 25kg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:14:29 < nitero> yeah i was looking under accessories lol my bad
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:15:35 <@SpeedEvil> dhrosa: what sort of LED
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:16:08 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: I don't even really need the socket, just the bits would be fine too
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:16:15 < Saginata> http://fuelcellsetc.com/store/fuel-cells-and-accessories/CL-910
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:16:21 < Saginata> so this would last ~15 minutes?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:16:46 < dhrosa> actually it's a laser diode*
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:18:34 <@SpeedEvil> dhrosa: so - for example - you'd want to vary it from 100-150mA
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T03:18:46 < FreezingCold> dhrosa: I just think $25 seems like too much for just 14 sockets
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:18:50 <@SpeedEvil> The easiest way might be a beefy high-speed opamp.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:19:03 <@SpeedEvil> But a simple transistor drive works too
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T03:19:15 < MjrTom> dhrosa maybe you want electro-optic modulators
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:55:59 < ohsix> what m is
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:56:09 < ohsix> b is the 'overhead'
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:56:20 < ohsix> the slopes for the energy density per unit volume is different
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T04:56:22 < FreezingCold> heh fuck
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:56:25 < ohsix> the lines will cross
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T04:56:33 < FreezingCold> this girl I like is calling me drunk again
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:56:37 < Astaelan-> Also, what kind of voltage and current can a hydrogen reaction produce?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T04:56:41 < FreezingCold> I hate it
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:56:46 < ohsix> where the lines cross, they are the same specific energy per unit volume and overhead, and to the right, hydrogen will be better
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:57:04 < ace4016> by the way guys, here's a graph: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Energy_density.svg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T04:57:28 < Astaelan-> ace4016: awesome, see, I like that.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:03:05 < freezway> anyone here use qucs and run into a problem with using a current source making it hang when creating a netlist?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:05:25 < ohsix> not i :<
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:05:42 < FreezingCold> my god
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:05:56 < FreezingCold> I'm going to lecture this girl so fucking much on her drinking tomorrow
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:06:21 < ace4016> what is she doing?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:06:28 < ohsix> cellphones can record video
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:06:29 < ace4016> did she get white girl wasted?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:06:40 < ohsix> lextures don't help, and they probably don't even know or remember
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:06:41 < FreezingCold> ace4016: she's texting me a bunch of drunk messages that sort of make sense
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:06:53 < FreezingCold> ace4016: basically she wants me to pick her up and bring her back to her place to fuck her.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:13 < ace4016> i'd say do it, but you'd totally get charged for rape
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:17 < MjrTom> thats awefull....
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:07:26 < FreezingCold> ace4016: and it goes against my morals to boot
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:29 < MjrTom> give me her number; I'll get this all straightened out
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:35 < ace4016> oh right, morals...
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:41 < ace4016> >:D
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:07:58 < FreezingCold> but even she understands that it's sort of using me and I'm not okay with it
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:07:58 < ohsix> telling her she can't give consent would be an interesting thing to try
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:04 < FreezingCold> she pulled this stunt on me before
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:08:15 < ohsix> more like SLUNT AMIRITE GUYS
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:23 < FreezingCold> so she just said she's going to call me in the middle of the night to talk if she gets lonely now
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:26 < FreezingCold> god damn it
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:27 < FreezingCold> so annoyed
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:08:33 < upgrdman> you'd mad because she's using you for your penis?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:08:34 < ohsix> phones turn off
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:08:47 < MjrTom> u mad bro?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:08:51 < ace4016> is she a friend?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:52 < FreezingCold> ohsix: again I feel guilty easily
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:08:57 < FreezingCold> ace4016: Yep.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:03 < ohsix> so go do what she wants
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:03 < ace4016> and is she in potential danger where she is?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:05 < Fatal> you going to slut shame her or what
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:09:06 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: well, ish?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:09:42 < FreezingCold> ace4016: see that's the fucking annoying part, it almost sounded like she was for a bit. She sort of implied that she was on the road with her bike drunk, but then gave a different story that showed she wasn't
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:52 < OoTLink> looking at reddit
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:57 < OoTLink> apparently having speeding tickets is a badge of honor
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:59 < ohsix> flip a coin
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:09:59 < OoTLink> did not know xD
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:10:12 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean, not accepting the morals society tells you to have is fine
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:14 < hjf> so the iphone 5S is $1599 in Argentina
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:16 < hjf> LOL
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:16 < ohsix> OoTLink: so is pride
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:10:20 < FreezingCold> ace4016: that's why it's annoying me, because she's roped me into responsibility that I don't want and never asked for
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:23 < R0b0t1> but this is really one of the weirder things I've seen someone complain about
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:29 < hjf> (round trip to miami is $1000)
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:30 < OoTLink> pride is ok though as long as you don't become an asshole from it
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:32 < OoTLink> (Kinda like confidence)
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:40 < R0b0t1> it's solely on your conception of the situation whether you're being used or not
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:43 < ohsix> kind of like speeding tickets
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:10:53 < ace4016> FreezingCold, ah...becuase if you were worried, i'd probably just take her to her place or yours and get her tucked in for the night
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:10:59 < R0b0t1> hjf: That's a lot of dollars.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:11:04 < upgrdman> ohsix: i google ddd and this comes up. lol... http://www.google.com/search?q=ddd&safe=off&nord=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ohydU42FPMGIogTroYGoBw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg&biw=1384&bih=740#facrc=0%3B32%20ddd%20bras&imgrc=_
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:11:09 < Fatal> pride good, hubris bad
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:11:09 < ohsix> that's actually about 4 dollars
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:11:22 < FreezingCold> ace4016: it's midnight and I don't own a car. I have to borrow my parents, and I'm going to get a big lecture from them for using their car in the middle of the night
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:11:28 < ohsix> upgrdman: nice
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:11:43 < FreezingCold> her lack of sound reasoning might get me into trouble
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:12:00 < ohsix> her lack of a penis is what's getting you into trouble
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:12:03 < ace4016> ah
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:12:18 < ohsix> set your number forward to a cab company
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:12:29 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I tried asking her to let me call a cab for her
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:12:43 < ohsix> why are you even accepting that if picking her up is too much
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:04 < Casper> grrrr
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:10 < Fatal> wait, you can't drive at night?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:18 < Casper> ohsix: ALSA lib /tmp/portage/media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.27.2/work/alsa-lib-1.0.27.2/src/pcm/pcm_multi.c:1185:(_snd_pcm_multi_open) Unknown field slave
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:19 < Casper> :(
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:13:20 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: she's taking advantage of my guilty conscience
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:32 < ohsix> gentoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo of course
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:13:34 < FreezingCold> Fatal: I can, but my parents will not appreciate it at all
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:13:59 < ohsix> Casper: multi doesn't do what you want anyways, http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_plugins.html
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:14:02 < FreezingCold> Fatal: I will also have to explain who the hell she is because I've never mentioned her before
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:11 < ace4016> hrm, sounds like you also don't have the hots for your friend either.   you are a good man for not being led by your penis :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:14:25 < FreezingCold> ace4016: I do have the hots for her. I'd love to
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:26 < ohsix> where does the guilt come from
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:32 < ohsix> there you go
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:35 < ace4016> ah
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:36 < Fatal> mhmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:14:42 < ohsix> mansplainin'
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:14:58 < FreezingCold> ace4016: that's another reason why the situation is very annoying to me
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:07 < ohsix> and to us
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:10 < yggdrasili> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:15:13 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:15:15 < FreezingCold> fair enough
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:15 < ace4016> she's showing a lack of better judgement :P
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:25 < Riveda> I'm so glad this year is my 10th anniversary and this garbage is behind me.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:35 < ace4016> lol Riveda
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:15:44 < FreezingCold> Riveda: I thought my friends were adult enough for this not to be a problem
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:58 < Casper> hmmm copy seems better... why is everyone using multi?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:15:59 < ohsix> unless you are making some admission taht she's helpless, the responsibility should land wher eit is
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:16:22 < madist> what's they typical size overhead for https ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:16:26 < ohsix> Casper: copy just gives you another plug
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:16:30 < FreezingCold> madist: IIRC 30%?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:16:32 < FreezingCold> wait no
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:16:35 < FreezingCold> 3%
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:16:48 < FreezingCold> yeah 2%
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:16:53 < ohsix> it's not fixed, there sht ekey exchange and where the client and server pick the suites to use
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:16:58 < madist> interesting.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:17:03 < Casper> ohsix: http://bpaste.net/show/373444/     do you spot a mistake?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:17:05 < madist> I guess due to the compressibility of text
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:17:06 < FreezingCold> https://www.imperialviolet.org/2010/06/25/overclocking-ssl.html
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:17:13 < madist> for images it should be much more.
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T07:17:19 < FreezingCold> " On our production frontend machines, SSL/TLS accounts for less than 1% of the CPU load, less than 10KB of memory per connection and less than 2% of network overhead."
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:17:40 < yggdrasili> rc4 this looks out of date
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:18:11 < LoRez> madist: why would SSL compress things?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:30:21 < ohsix> you don't even need to load combine cuz the gconf plug will do it for you
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:34:42 < yggdrasili> ohhh yeah hashbrown spagetti an eggggg
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:34:45 < yggdrasili> ohhhhhh yesssssssssss
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:35:15 < ohsix> that sounds more nc17 than pg13
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:46:50 < ohsix> you boot a livecd once every few years of course!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:47:17 < R0b0t1> more than I'd like to recently
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:47:49 < ohsix> linux is hard amirite, lets keep it hard and dumb
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:48:21 < R0b0t1> It's pretty smart these days, but I'm not sure keeping some non-root directory as a system folder is necessary
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T07:48:34 < R0b0t1> May as well, now, but what are /bin and /lib for?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:15:13 < Flynnn> ohsix: are there any chips that operate how I described>
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:15:15 < Flynnn> ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:15:23 < ohsix> the atmel in the arduino does
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T08:15:26 < FreezingCold> fuck yes
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T08:15:41 < FreezingCold> this girl finally got home without involving me
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T08:15:46 < FreezingCold> aside from the million fucking texts
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:15:55 < Flynnn> good for you, freezing cold
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:16:13 < Flynnn> so basically, I have to use another microcontroller, if I want this kind of functionality?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T08:17:12 < ohsix> only if you don't already have an arduino
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T18:01:21 < Polesch> Who's that?
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T18:02:05 < Firehopper> dj/radio personality in the usa
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T18:04:03 < FreezingCold> Does this seem like a decent program?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T18:04:04 < FreezingCold> https://webapp4.asu.edu/programs/t5/roadmaps/ASU00/ESEEEBSE/null/ONLINE/2014
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T18:04:10 < FreezingCold> $12,000 a year
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T18:04:22 < FreezingCold> so $48,000 for the full degree
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T19:30:41 < scrts> jacob___: did you apply Lhopital rule?
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T19:30:53 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: well, saying in Canada costs about $28,000 for a degree
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T19:31:07 < scrts> afaik function equals to functions derrivative
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T19:31:22 <@SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: yes, I know, I was not being quite serious.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-15T19:31:54 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: I think you're serious, $28,000 for permission to take some tests is fucking insane
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T19:33:42 <@SpeedEvil> I was implying that 28000 for a degree was reflecting your heating performance.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T19:33:46 <@SpeedEvil> (or intending to)
2014-06.log:2014-06-15T19:34:29 < FreezingCold> that joke flew right over my head the first time
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T22:51:24 < upgrdman> mask roms? not really suitable for hobbyists.
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T22:51:34 < upgrdman> theyre for mass production
2014-06.log-2014-06-15T22:51:51 < sabotender> yes, mask roms. I know they are, I am just wondering if anyone has done it before
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2014-06.log-2014-06-15T22:59:55 < beaner> What makes buildroot (or any embedded distro on x86) embedded vs any regular linux distro?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:54:26 < ohsix> well, it's easy to figure out your fuel cost, so go nuts
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:55:20 < ryao> ohsix: Supposedly, others are getting 8 to 10 cents per kwh.
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:55:48 < ohsix> you pay delivery costs for gas too
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T04:55:54 < FreezingCold> How much is a cheap little 2GB SD card worth on ebay nowadays?
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T04:55:59 < FreezingCold> Can I pull a $1 profit?
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:56:10 < ohsix> there are a lot of fakes, you aren't on equal footing
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:56:23 < Mad7Scientist> ryao, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scZaOmntWN0
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:57:26 < R0b0t1> ryao, power generation is one of those things that makes the most sense when centralized.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:57:48 < ohsix> solar is pretty winning
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:58:34 < R0b0t1> Winning currently mainly because of subsidization. There's a lot of less glamorous things that save a boatload more money and CO2 emissions, like going to wood-burning stoves over oil ones.
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:58:41 < R0b0t1> But most people don't live in the boonies.
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T04:59:09 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I think local for like $3 would be the best bet
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T04:59:11 < ohsix> do you know the origin of that term, 'boonies'?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:12 < LeelooMinai> Dremel and their lame press is not very good for pcb drilling - it's terrible in fact
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:16 < ohsix> The_Coolest: we're both talking about this right http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/StripBoard.png
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:18 < yggdrasi1i> ughhh great
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:23:27 < FreezingCold> fuck man
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:29 < The_Coolest> ohsix oh
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:23:30 < FreezingCold> I don't want to go to work tomorrow
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:35 < The_Coolest> well I have protoboards
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:43 < The_Coolest> they're all just separate pins
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:47 < The_Coolest> so they uber-suck
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:23:50 < yggdrasi1i> i'm meant to be at work right now FreezingCold, still haven't deceided if taking the day off yet ;p
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:54 < malinus>              QQQQQQQQQQQQTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:54 < malinus> TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTAAAAAA
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:23:56 < The_Coolest> I guess stripboards aren't as bad
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:23:59 < FreezingCold> yggdrasi1i: I can't be late
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:01 < The_Coolest> thank you malik
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:03 < The_Coolest> malinus*
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:04 < upgrdman> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:06 < ohsix> yggdrasi1i: even if the press were rigid, what about the runout on the dremel with the tiny tiny bits ;D
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:24:09 < FreezingCold> and they're making me go solo on a call tomorrow that I really don't want to do
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:26 < LeelooMinai> yggdrasi1i: You want maybe this as drill press: http://www.proxxon.com/us/micromot/28600.php?list
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:51 < LeelooMinai> yggdrasi1i: And this as drill: http://www.proxxon.com/us/micromot/38472.php?list
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:24:52 < yggdrasi1i> ohsix: not gonna use their crappy brandname press, but is there anything wrong with the actual dremel for the drill unit
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:51:58 < adyer> sivanov most inverters I've seen have power, gnd, on/off, and a brightness control (analog or digital pwm), not much to drive there
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:52:29 < FreezingCold> okay so I have a DB9 port switch
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:52:36 < FreezingCold> what's the fastest way to reverse engineer this fucker?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:52:52 < ohsix> stop asking questions, doing it
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:53:00 < FreezingCold> ohsix: I only have access to it at work
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:53:17 < ohsix> look for grounds that are probably shared with part of the housings
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:53:19 < ohsix> go from there
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:53:42 < FreezingCold> I was thinking of writing a quick C program to probe each pin and check where the output voltage is
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:53:44 < sivanov> i see, but what typical input voltage for CCFL invertors?
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:53:45 < ohsix> you could take it apart and just follow the wires, while making sure there's not some encoding scheme in there
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:54:10 < FreezingCold> can't take it apart
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:54:12 < FreezingCold> not mine
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:54:22 < ohsix> you could do that, that's what commercial cable testers do
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:54:28 < adyer> sivanov it depends, +12 and +5 are pretty common.  There are some wide input ones like 5-16V
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:54:42 < ohsix> if it's just one device that sounds like way more work than just doing it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:55:00 < ohsix> have you already exausted the documentation that surely exists, either for the thing it connects to or from the thing itself
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:55:54 < yggdrasi1i> its a fucking 9pin switch what is there to RE?
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:56:06 < FreezingCold> well
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:56:09 < FreezingCold> the pins :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:56:15 < yggdrasi1i> ;)
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T05:56:17 < FreezingCold> takes awhile and I can't really use office hours to do it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:58:11 < adyer> sivanov try ergpower.com for some examples
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T05:58:17 < sabotender> berndj-blackout: I will be writing drivers for MIPS arch. I am on chapter 6 of http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:48:44 < upgrdman> i prefer large. medium is for sissies.
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:48:52 < boostedcabbage> fuck ##space
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:49:01 < boostedcabbage> i'm doing just fine here
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:49:44 < darsie> Then you may be fine without an answer.
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:49:52 < boostedcabbage> i am
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T07:50:17 < boostedcabbage> too lazy for the actual research.. just figured i'd snatch it if you knew
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T14:13:57 < evilbetty> there's a big paper with "do not touch" and skulls on it above the airco controller:p
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T14:14:28 < evilbetty> half their tits hang out and then they complain its cold :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T14:14:40 < evilbetty> but dressing properly hasn't come to their mind yet
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T14:19:04  * Miyu hops about half-nekkid~
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2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:26:50 < madist> pretty sure it does
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:26:51 < PlagaOperarius> ^^
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:27:22 < PlagaOperarius> madist, you can't melt gold with an iron
2014-06.log:2014-06-16T18:27:28 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: HCl is commonly abailable
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:27:34 < tawr> no
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:27:37 < LeelooMinai> available - in stores
2014-06.log-2014-06-16T18:27:38 < tawr> only 1 thing dissolves gold
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2014-06.log-2014-06-17T01:41:27 < ryao> antibuddha: I cannot imagine it working out.
2014-06.log-2014-06-17T01:41:30 < ShadowJK> you wont be abke to do it for $1 per client, regardless of distances involved.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-17T01:42:09 < antibuddha> about how much would the main antenna cost?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-17T01:57:45 < ryao> http://www.wifi-stock.com/details/ubiquiti_nanobridge_m3_airmax.html
2014-06.log-2014-06-17T01:57:52 < malinus> ShadowJK, yeah the mcu should draw something like that (2-5mA). As of the full batter scenario - no it wouldn't. I still need to experient with how many panels to use, but it seems like 12, providing a max of 6V would do it. Because the should give me ~4-5.0V while drawing, the charger should tolerate 4.5-5.5V, so even if it comes to 5.7V I hope it won't damage it :).
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2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:16:13 < FreezingCold> my work keeps throwing out SD cards -.-
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:16:20 < FreezingCold> I've fished out five from the trash in the past week
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:16:46 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, why are they throwing them away?
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:17:13 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, did you convince someone that they where write only?
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:17:38 < FreezingCold> they come in for free with another package
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:17:49 < FreezingCold> they're formatted with a 126MB partition (FAT16)
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:17:55 < FreezingCold> but they're 2GB
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:18:13 < cheater> 2 gb?
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:18:18 < cheater> might as well throw em away
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:18:25 < FreezingCold> it's a solid $3 locally probably
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:20:22 < cheater> lol
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:23:24 < Astaelan-> No! Keep 2GB SD cards, they are quite valuable
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:23:34 < Astaelan-> Many electronics still run on 2GB and can't use the larger HC cards.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:24:29 < FreezingCold> that's probably why they're 2GB
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:24:34 < FreezingCold> it's for a wheelchair
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:25:10 < FreezingCold> damn this knife is nice
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:26:01 < csrss> SD card for a wheelchair? Do you have an wheel chair on-board entertainment system or something?
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:26:30 < FreezingCold> firmware updates and profile transferring
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:27:22 < teus> anybody here knows about microphones and the circuitry?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:28:03 < teus> it's for voice chat with skype or during games
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:28:26 < teus> demands arent high. but microphones and sound cards do their best to suck very very hard
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:28:43 < theBear> Astaelan-, 8gb is the limit for standard sd
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:28:57 < FreezingCold> theBear: Some have issues with >2GB
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:28:59 < csrss> ... siunce when did microphone and sound card suck at doing their best?
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:29:06 < teus> since always
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:29:08 < csrss> just buy a good soundcard and you're good?
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:29:08 < theBear> FreezingCold, maybe, but not for that reason
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:29:31 < theBear> anyway, i'm not here
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:29:33 < csrss> or if you're not satisfied, put a preamp in between mic and soundcard
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:30:22 < teus> well
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:32:21 < teus> I assemble these things, mostly. not design.
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:32:25 < ossifrage> but I think you can get chips that are USB audio class entirely in hardware (or at least no user visible firmware)
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:32:44 < teus> yeah thats what im aiming at
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:32:46 < FreezingCold> I love this new knife
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:32:47 < FreezingCold> https://i.imgur.com/qU9bjCb.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:07 < csrss> if that were the case, I wonder why you would bother building one yourself
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:07 < teus> urghl
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:13 < csrss> that's essentially what all sound cards are, if not better
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:24 < teus> what are you using it for
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:41 < teus> first of all
2014-06.log:2014-06-18T01:33:44 < FreezingCold> ripping open packages and plastic mostly
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:33:48 < teus> what kind of microphone do i need
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T01:34:13 < teus> there is voice chat, games, music etc coming from my speakers
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T03:59:31 < AC`97> lower ESR
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T04:00:00  * Hermit is reading about ESR
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T04:00:18 < AC`97> reading about explodey capacitors too? :D
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T04:01:27 < AC`97> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1271
2014-06.log-2014-06-18T04:02:06  * Hermit queues link to read later
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2014-06.log-2014-06-18T09:11:45 < Engen> I'll give it a go when I get around to it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T02:09:55 < hjf> but the answer they gave me
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T02:10:12 < hjf> "maybe in the future. we'd have to integrate it with 'THE SAP' and that's a big problem"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T02:11:57 < Callmea> but maybei know that. Interfacing SAP very expensive if you don't have the internal ressources and even that costs times and ressources
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:05:44 < Callmea> dhrosa, i thank you, i ve discussed on this subject on irc, some people are agressive when i talk about that :/. I always add capacitors + resistors too
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:06:32 < csrss> Callmea: are you talking about zener reg>
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2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:06:53 < FreezingCold> okay
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:06:57 < Callmea> i precise not for levels, only voltage regulation. For level i use a 74HC4050, cheap and easy to use
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:07:00 < FreezingCold> so I have a four button db9 switch in front of me
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:07:10 < FreezingCold> I need the fastest way possible to figure out the frigging pins
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:25:34 < theBear> Callmea, but even if mine do have a cradle (which i don't have) there is only a usb connector exposed
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:25:55 < Callmea> no need to open your devices. I ve tried, but it was a max something, 2,5V not easy to use. With this methode you only modify the craddle :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:26:03 < FreezingCold> is Vdd or Vss ground?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:26:14 < theBear> but i don't have a cradle and the devices don't have a cradle connector !
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:26:22 < Callmea> yes it s true, but inside you got  serial connections ::)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:26:33 < theBear> so i DO have to open the device <grin>
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:26:56 < csrss> FreezingCold: usually Vss
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:27:07 < theBear> FreezingCold, erm, Vdrain and Vsource, errr, Vdd ground i guess (yeah, i know i shouldn't have to think about it)
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:27:26 < Callmea> theBear, be careful it s cmd components (i ate them). And without craddle i wonder how to install program on it :/
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:27:31 < FreezingCold> thanks theBear and csrss lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:27:43 < FreezingCold> that doesn't help me be any more sure :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:28:01 < theBear> by VERY loosely followed convention the d/s match fet pins and the Vcc (and Vee i spose) match transistor ones
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:28:32 < csrss> FreezingCold: probably you should state what you are talking about
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:28:35 < csrss> p-channel or n-channel
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:28:49 < FreezingCold> uh off a PIC
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:29:02 < csrss> Vss is GND
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:29:04 < theBear> currently without a cradle i just usb them over with some cmdline palm install thingy (i haven't used that os you mention on your page since these things were usable devices, tho the version you mention was the 2ndlast one i approved of (re: that os))
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:29:05 < csrss> end of question.
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T03:29:26 < FreezingCold> 100%?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:29:29 < csrss> yes
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T03:30:08 < theBear> wow, you'd almost swear i copied my explanation from stackexchange
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:11:36 < theBear> they aren't really made to be 'fixed' at all, i fixed all kinds of things lke that for a living for many years, even did official warranties for senheisser and akg etc etc, and i hesitate to waste time on earbuds
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:11:42 < JFlash> and don't have any sub-mini jacks or adapters
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:11:43 < theBear> DoverMo, well, i can :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:11:46 < FreezingCold> fuck running out of time
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:12:05 < DoverMo> theBear, well this guy wants to jerry rig some kind of magical headphone fix. not make coils and such
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:12:05 < theBear> me too, bottleshop only open for 11.5 hours
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:12:21 < JFlash> yes, sorry about that
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:12 < JFlash> so that won't fly with me :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:16 < JFlash> still reading , thou
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:18 < theBear> no way ! that's be 140euro for a 20 pack
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:19:21 < FreezingCold> so I have a db9 switch
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:19:25 < FreezingCold> pin 8 seems to be common
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:31 < Callmea> the packet (the pack?), not the cigarette. 20 cigarettes 7 euros
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:19:31 < FreezingCold> 1,2,3,4 are the switches
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:42 < DoverMo> JFlash, soldering those wire would most likely destroy them rather than connect them
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:46 < DoverMo> they are too thin
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:19:47 < FreezingCold> is that following any standard...?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:50 < theBear> yeah, here 20 cigarettes $19-something ... that's a lot more than 7 euros
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:19:50 < FreezingCold> I've never seen that before
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:19:54  * bunder vapes his brains out for around $100/2months
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:20:02 < hjf> interesting. this POS video-to-VGA converter does a better job at converting than the built-in video input in this tv
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:20:07 < theBear> and you don't even get a label on the packet !
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:22:33 < Callmea> where do you live theBear ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:22:56 < theBear> http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2011/04/07/1226035/166824-new-cigarette-packets.jpg
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:22:57 < FreezingCold> What's the proper way to add my name to a gschem?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:23:04 < theBear> warning graphical medical images
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:23:29 < upgrdman> rotfl   http://i.imgur.com/sSlzpdw.jpg
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:26:44 < theBear> in a place like this with subsidised medical care system i can appreciate the arguments, but i'd rather lung cancer etc wasn't subsidised and get my cheap cigarettes with a nice label than this
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:26:49 < Callmea> MjrTom, yes it s true sorry, but it s pedagogic!
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:27:03 < theBear> and final word, i repeat that i DO appreciate the graphic images, but not quite as much as the old labels
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:27:14 < FreezingCold> theBear: the longer I work in the medical field, the more I realize it's all fucked up
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:27:22 < theBear> i'm tempted to get some shirts made up with the images on them, i suspect if that caught on it'd change things
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:27:56 < theBear> FreezingCold, mmm, i get that impression the longer i'm heavily involved in patronising the field
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:28:08 < MjrTom> FreezingCold let me recommend the book "OVERDO$ED AMERICA" by Dr. John Abramson
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:28:14 < Callmea> Here the new fashion is the e cig, i don t like it, but the business is growing, growing
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:28:17 < theBear> recently i really been missing running, or even jogging, not a lot, just ya know, at all
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:28:37 < FreezingCold> theBear: I'm trying to start a medical equipment company just because I feel so bad for these people
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:28:42 < FreezingCold> and I can make a fair amount of money
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:28:49 < theBear> Callmea, yeah, they had a brief popularity here, and now have a slowly growin following, but they're no fun, and almost impossible to get a good smokering out of
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:28:53 < FreezingCold> I'm fine with making $75k/year and giving people a good deal
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:08 < theBear> i remember making that kinda money, i miss disposable income
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:16 < theBear> now i can barely afford to stay drunk and smoke
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:20 < FreezingCold> I make $33.5k/year now
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:25 < FreezingCold> which is pretty sad
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:29 < theBear> and now i need the drinking more than ever, due to the pain
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:32 < FreezingCold> but heh first job out of college
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:35 < MjrTom> I live on about $10 a day
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:39 < FreezingCold> and community college...
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:39 < Callmea> theBear, i ve tried, and got one, i m agree for the smoke and don t like the taste
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:48 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: I can't live off $33k...
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:29:54 < FreezingCold> it's not possible
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:29:56 < MjrTom> yeah sounds rough
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:30:09 < theBear> MjrTom, i live on maybe half that, including alcahol and smoking, mmm, maybe 2/3rd with smoking, but rent is over $500/fortnight now
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:30:19 < theBear> that's more than half my pension
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:30:29 < FreezingCold> yeah I have no pension
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:30:32 < theBear> and that's a GOOD price, and it ain't a fancy place
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:30:34 < MjrTom> you do not live on maybe half that.  You just said $500/fortnight for rent...
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:31:00 < theBear> FreezingCold, yeah, but you can still work, 9 days outta 10 even if i can stagger/limp around ok with the stick, the pain makes any real thinking impossible
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:31:22 < theBear> MjrTom, yeah, in the same sentence, to make it clear that 'live on' means everything outside of rent
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:31:54 < FreezingCold> theBear: what's wrong with you?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:31:59 < theBear> but seriously, you won't find a 1 bedroom flat in a slum block for under $260 these days, if yer LUCKY
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:32:10 < FreezingCold> excuse my bluntness, I've lost a lot of sympathy lately
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:32:27 < MjrTom> um... live on doesn't mean everything outside of rent
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:32:37 < theBear> FreezingCold, lower spine is ruined...  congenital plus some unfortunateness like a carcrash and HEAVY work etc, and i didn't even notice your bluntness
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:32:39 < MjrTom> it means everything
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:33:00 < theBear> MjrTom, WHICH IS WHY I MENTIONED RENT IN THE SAME SENTENCE ! i think what i meant was quite clear
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T04:33:07 < FreezingCold> theBear: from work or weight?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:33:50 < theBear> i always been a very healthy weight.. healthy in general outside my brain... i was always gonna go bad in the back eventually, just things like a 110km/h (plus 140km/h other way) headon carcrash accelerated it a lot
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T04:34:15 < MjrTom> So in other words you live on about $38 a day, and I live on about $10 a day.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:07:46 < theBear> be warned i might wander in drunk, so any shenanigans, you'll get what ootlink got for a minute there, you grok ? gas man, gas
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:07:52 < theBear> hehe, old jazz guys talk funny
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:08:02 < FreezingCold> where can I get some cheap liquid flux for work?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:09 < OoTLink> what I'm surprised I didn't get a k-line for that
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:10 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:08:11 < FreezingCold> newark only has a 1 gallon bottle for frigging $75
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:24 < Hyratel1> justanotheruser, no, we can't, due to you bringing the IRC client I use into it at all ;)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:30 < upgrdman> frys, amazon.... $5 ish for flux
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:35 < justanotheruser> Hyratel1: fair enough
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:08:40 < upgrdman> ebay for prolly $1
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:08:58 < FreezingCold> ebay for liquids seems like a meh idea
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:09:07 < theBear> ow my toe ! why is there so many tvs in pieces around the house ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:09:23 < theBear> FreezingCold, i got a 'big syringe' from farnells for about 20 or 30 bucks a few years ago
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:09:34 < OoTLink> haha
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:09:34 < upgrdman> i bought some uv paint on ebay. no problems with liquids from china.
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:09:47 < OoTLink> we had a coupel of these giant solder suckers in the uni ee lab
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:09:47 < theBear> worse value, but most people won't even use that much by the useby date
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2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:10:10 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: not a problem, but it sucks for shipping costs
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:10:25 < upgrdman> china fuckers ship lots for "free"
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:10:37 < OoTLink> http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Aw4lZGk90i4/maxresdefault.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:10:38 < OoTLink> like that
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:22:56 < upgrdman> justanotheruser: well no soldermask, no silkscreen, one layer only.
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:23:04 < upgrdman> although i have since gotten soldermask to work
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:23:33 < upgrdman> http://www.farrellf.com/projects/hardware/2014-01-17_DIY_PCBs_with_Solder_Mask/
2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:23:51 < FreezingCold> is alcohol decent to use instead of flux>
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2014-06.log:2014-06-19T06:23:53 < FreezingCold> ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:24:10 < justanotheruser> upgrdman: is the lack of soldermask and silkscreen a potential problem?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-19T06:24:25 < upgrdman> soldermask is nice, particular if you hand solder
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2014-06.log-2014-06-20T05:05:43 < the_file> hard to beat relays
2014-06.log-2014-06-20T05:05:55 < GPF_1> hmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-20T05:05:59 < GPF_1> GTO's
2014-06.log:2014-06-20T05:06:21 < FreezingCold> huh wtf
2014-06.log:2014-06-20T05:06:27 < FreezingCold> my credit card application got denied
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2014-06.log-2014-06-20T05:06:34 < GPF_1> ha
2014-06.log-2014-06-20T05:06:38 < GPF_1> bad credit!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:47:20 < steverrrrrrr> are tehre any small companies making 1000 boards at a time?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:48:13 < FreezingCold> hmmmm
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:48:19 < FreezingCold> is this a standard...?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:48:34 < FreezingCold> pin 8 of a DB9 for common, and the first few pins for a switch
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:48:40 < blight> steverrrrrrr: call china :p
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:48:47 < FreezingCold> I've confirmed up pins 1 to 4 for sure
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:49:18 < Mikull> I don't get it, i'm reading in some places that PAM,PPM and PDM are digital communication schemmes ... how so ???
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:50:19 < steverrrrrrr> anything with 2 states can be digital
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:53:02 < Mikull> anyways i guess its just a confusing about terminilogy
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T03:53:05 < Mikull> thanks for the tip
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:53:21 < FreezingCold> so..
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:53:33 < FreezingCold> anybody know about db9 switches>
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T03:55:50 < FreezingCold> is there a standard to follow here?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:05:59 < Mr_Sheesh> FreezingCold - db9 switches (technically db = the 25-pin shell size but thats picky) - it'd entirely depend on the signals, are you talking serial signals or old ega/vga signals or ???
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:16:14 < kurt> Gerber or Leatherman?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:16:50 < FreezingCold> Mr_Sheesh: literally just a NC contact
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:16:55 < FreezingCold> no electronics
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:17:43 < FreezingCold> huh so I also have this "mini" molex power looking thing
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:17:46 < Mr_Sheesh> OK, you have one or want one or ? Trying to understand.
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:18:06 < FreezingCold> trying to design a cable adapter
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:18:23 < FreezingCold> I figured out the schematics for a  complete button assembly
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:19:06 < Mr_Sheesh> kurt -  I like Leatherman's warranty and gerber isn't as good of steel as it used to be; My old Leatherman PST broke, after 40+ years - they replaced it with a brand new, better Leatherman as they couldn't fix it. On a 30 year warranty so they knew it was 10 years past warranty. That's good service :)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:19:58 < Mr_Sheesh> FreezingCold - Adapting DE-9 to what cable? On the serial switches I've had, sometimes a switch contact got sick on me, usually you can just skip that jack or maybe use contact cleaner
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:31:32 < FreezingCold> Mr_Sheesh: TRS
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:31:57 < FreezingCold> 3.175mm
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:32:10 < FreezingCold> er
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:32:12 < ossifrage> I'm working on a 4 layer board that only really needs 3 layers, should I bother trying to route it in 3 layers?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:32:12 < FreezingCold> 3.5mm
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:33:01 < Mr_Sheesh> Uh TRS means ???
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:33:17 < FreezingCold> Mr_Sheesh: headphone jack
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:34:11 < Mr_Sheesh> Oh, so DE9 for audio switching? Doable
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:34:55 < FreezingCold> No.
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:34:59 < FreezingCold> Has nothing to do with audio
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:35:17 < FreezingCold> I'm working on a wheelchairs that use DB9 as a connector for their switches
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:36:19 < Mr_Sheesh> Aaah, just trying to understand the voltages. Well, you maybe can find a DE9 solder pot connector w/ shell that the 3.5mm jack would fit into the cable slot for / hack it into there with some work, and use short wires?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:36:53 < FreezingCold> I already know how it all works, I'm just wondering it there is a standard or not
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:37:04 < FreezingCold> cause clearly pins 1-5 used as the switch are
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:38:30 < Mr_Sheesh> The standard would depend on the voltages usually; Video signals for EGA use that connector, so do some VGA early monitors like the 19" Sun monitors I have, also serial, and lots of other various things
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:39:17 < FreezingCold> this has nothing to do with voltage level =/
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:39:26 < FreezingCold> it could be active low or active high, it wouldn't make a difference for wiring here
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:40:31 < FreezingCold> Also, any clue what this connector is called?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:40:31 < FreezingCold> https://i.imgur.com/jXSBm42.jpg
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:40:46 < FreezingCold> measures bout 3.4mm x 3.4mm
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:42:48 < FreezingCold> actually maybe smaller
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:42:53 < archivist> measurements dont match the image
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:42:54 < FreezingCold> like 3.1mm x 3.1mm
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:43:03 < FreezingCold> archivist: what do you mean?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:43:21 < FreezingCold> archivist: each pin is like 3.1mm x 3.1mm
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:43:24 < archivist> looks like a molex moulded multiway
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:43:35 < archivist> the pitch matters
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:43:40 < FreezingCold> the left one is a standard PCIe molex
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:43:49 < FreezingCold> yeah, trying to figure out the pitch for the one on the right
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:43:58 < Mr_Sheesh> Yeah I was going to say Molex makes those
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:44:07 < FreezingCold> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=microfit_30&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:44:09 < Mr_Sheesh> Got calipers? :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:44:17 < FreezingCold> Mr_Sheesh: that's what I was measuring it with
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:44:54 < Mr_Sheesh> OK good tool those :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:45:03 < FreezingCold> yep confirmed, these are molex 3.0's
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:45:05 < archivist> 3.1-3.4 is some crappy caliper
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:47:50 < FreezingCold> archivist: I was measuring the outer plastic by mistake
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:50:10 < zigggggy> how can you be FreezingCold! its hot out!
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:50:17 < FreezingCold> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/0430251200/WM1788-ND/252501
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:50:22 < FreezingCold> found the exact connectors
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:50:26 < Mr_Sheesh> Good
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:50:43 < electrostatic> they have the same key?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:51:04 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:51:06 < FreezingCold> 1:1
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:51:10 < electrostatic> awesome
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:54:36 < FreezingCold> LOL WTF
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:54:41 < FreezingCold> it sells for $100!!!
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:54:54 < electrostatic> !?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:54:59 < FreezingCold> db9 to that molex
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:55:45 < electrostatic> Looks like someone will be getting some soldering practice
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:57:25 < hjf> FreezingCold: what sells for $100?
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:57:33 < The_Coolest> what sort of sensors do you think a UV PCB exposure box could use?
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:57:57 < The_Coolest> I'm sketching a small controller board for such a box
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:58:08 < FreezingCold> hjf: [21:54:41] <FreezingCold> db9 to that molex
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:58:13 < electrostatic> well, light level coems to mind
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:58:13 < FreezingCold> that's literally it
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:58:23 < hjf> FreezingCold: oh an adapter?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T04:58:27 < FreezingCold> yep
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:59:46 < hjf> apparently my commodore 1571 is dead
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T04:59:47 < electrostatic> The_Coolest: What else would there be besides light level?  Is it going to have an exhaust fan or anything?
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T05:00:04 < hjf> the problem seems to be a hybrid module
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:23:35 < Flea86> dhrosa: emma needs to remember that a resistor is a two-terminal device, not a single-terminal one :)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:25:13 < FreezingCold> HR firms are so fucking greedy
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:25:16 < FreezingCold> hate em
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:25:36 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, they work hard for that months salary (sic)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:26:30 < FreezingCold> this used car salesman type guy wants to get me hired at a pretty large company for manufacturing
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:26:35 < FreezingCold> PLCs/Robots
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:26:51 < FreezingCold> Good luck with that one pal. I'll do everything I can, but I'm a brand new graduate...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:27:36 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, the ones that go after new grads are a special breed
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:27:50 < FreezingCold> well to be a little fair I do have a job already
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:27:54 < FreezingCold> so I can't be that bad :p
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:34:45 < ossifrage> FreezingCold, I think they save all the shit jobs they can't fill for the new grads
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:34:52 < hjf>  lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:34:58 < hjf> "how to make a laser that burns"
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:35:07 < hjf> some dude grabs the laser diode off a cd burner
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:36:50 < sabotender> moo
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:36:53 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:37:19 < ossifrage> hjf, they so often fail to realize how dangerous lasers are to those squishy balls of fluid in your head...
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:37:36 < anton02> ossifrage: lasers in general or just IR lasers?
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:37:42 < sabotender> FreezingCold: I too am a new graduate :-D
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2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:38:15 < sabotender> FreezingCold: Thats why we should get hitched :-P
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:38:31 < ossifrage> anton02, the low power non-visible ones are the easiest to do long term damage to the eyes
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:38:32 < FreezingCold> uh what?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:38:53 < sabotender> I found this kitchenaid mixer being sold for 100USD new in box on craigslist
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:39:11 < sabotender> im trying to grab it while I have the chance
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2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:39:27 < ossifrage> *cough* stolen *cough*
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:39:31 < sabotender> FreezingCold: what?
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:39:38 < sabotender> ossifrage: I don't know that
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:39:45 < FreezingCold> [23:37:57] <sabotender> FreezingCold: Thats why we should get hitched :-P
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:39:48 < anton02> i wonder what high powered color green can do to you
2014-06.log:2014-06-21T06:40:25 < sabotender> FreezingCold: so we can pool our resources and be awesome together :-P lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:41:51 < sabotender> ossifrage: it has been a dream of mine to own one of those beauties, but they were always too expensive. Costing at the very least 250USD for a refurbished basic model
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:42:28 < sabotender> anton02: do you mean a laser? green? a hell of a lot of damage
2014-06.log-2014-06-21T06:42:33 < ossifrage> sabotender, when I was a kid I took my Mom's kitchenaid mixer apart and didn't quite get it back together right
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:10:53 < theBear> Toneloc, yeah, like most things i do, i don't advocate living the way i do... there's something different about my body, one day i may identify it, but it has different needs to normal people
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:10:54 < Toneloc> Callmea- what does tobacco do for you ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:11:25 < theBear> for me it provides smoke rings and the (hopefully not empty) promise of an early demise :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:11:30 < FreezingCold> how much is it to get custom cables from china?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:11:33 < FreezingCold> like 100 of them
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:11:35 < pnorman> Smoke rings are cool.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:11:37 < theBear> oh, and it makes me look cool
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:12:01 < theBear> :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:12:08 < pnorman> FreezingCold: Only 100? What kind? But probably expensive.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:12:09 < Toneloc> I quite like the idea of starting to smoke a pipe in my old age - because if I make it that far, something is going to kill me soon anyway, so why not?!
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:12:23 < theBear> orright, i hear temporary coffee-maker trying to start stew-cycle, back to the kitchen
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:12:25 < FreezingCold> pnorman: molex-type and db9
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:12:42 < FreezingCold> only a few cm needed
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:12:55 < theBear> i'll do 100 molex or db9 connectors for a sixpack + materials
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:13:05 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:07 < theBear> handmade, guaranteed
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:14 < Callmea> Toneloc, I ve grown with tobacco. I became adult with it.. if i stop, it s ridicilous, i know, it seems to me that a aprt of my life is missing
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:13:24 < FreezingCold> theBear: how much is a six pack in america land?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:33 < Callmea> a part*
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:13:36 < theBear> FreezingCold, how would i know ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:13:44 < FreezingCold> theBear: aren't you the americans?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:46 < theBear> i'll even pronounce guaranteed like some kinda cajun
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:13:54 < theBear> FreezingCold, that's not a very nice thing to say about me :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:57 < Toneloc> theBear- man, that's too cheap
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:13:59 < pnorman> Molex and DB9 aren't hard to do with the appropriate tools and materials
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:14:10 < FreezingCold> pnorman: agreed, I just don't want to do it myself
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:14:34 < theBear> i'm a retired pensioner, at best i have a few hours a day that i can 'work' ... you may think it too cheap, i think it as a sixpack i otherwise wouldn't have
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:14:40 < theBear> force-retired that is
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:15:10 < zigggggy> BEAR
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:15:15 < FreezingCold> theBear: I will seriously consider you as an option :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:15:15 < zigggggy> bear have you been watching the world cup? do bears like futbol?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:15:18 < theBear> anyway, gotta go drink coffee, and for reference, as much as i like saying you can dance if you want to, this time i gotta say, i come from the land down under
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:15:18 < pnorman> eh, go for at least two sixpacks
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:15:41 < theBear> it's only 100 connectors ! i'm fast
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:16:03 < Toneloc> theBear- I know what you mean- it's the same way people look at things in the countryside where I used to live, but you could always look for two siz packs:)
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:16:14 < theBear> zigggggy, not been watching, we like what every other country except 'merica calls football more than most sports, but still don't consider it very interesting to watch
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T01:16:15 < FreezingCold> what country you from?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:17:00 < theBear> c'mon, you never heard 80s pop music ? the land down under means nothing to you ? how about, that's not a knife, THIS is a knife, or chuck a couple of shrimps on the barbie,
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:17:17 < theBear> anyway coffee, if you need my services you know where to find me
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T01:17:36 < timemage> theBear, heh.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T03:58:08 < emma> but then he's into diodes, which i kind of followed him there too, but then the transistors, and the field effect transistors, and the thyristor and the triacs good grief
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T03:58:49 < FreezingCold> OpenHMD is the head array project thingy right?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T04:01:34 < Firehopper> http://budgetlightforum.com/node/31535 < this is what I was working on the past 2 weeks :)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T05:59:58 < jdiez> can somebody let me know if I understand this circuit correctly? http://www.circuitstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/battery-_charger-circuit-using-lm-317.JPG
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T06:00:46 < jdiez> the battery will draw 1.2A at 12V when connected
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:28:30 < FreezingCold> huh, wtf I got rejected for this credit card
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:28:50 < upgrdman> "stop being poor" ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:29:31 < FreezingCold> I make $33.5k as a frigging 18 year old
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:29:36 < FreezingCold> that seems decent for a first job
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:29:38 < tawr> thats why
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:29:38 < ss23> o.o
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:29:41 < tawr> no history
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:30:10 < upgrdman> ya. when i was 18 i had a $500 cc.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:30:18 < tawr> and pay a little over the minimum every month - 6 months later you should be able to get a slightly better one, etc
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:30:20 < upgrdman> what kind of limit were you applying for?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:30:38 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: didn't specify because they didn't ask.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:30:42 < FreezingCold> so the lowest possible I assume
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:34:44 < FreezingCold> tawr: still seems unfair cause I was perfectly okay with any limit
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:36:03 < tawr> of course it's unfair
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:36:05 < tawr> they don't care about you
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:36:07 < tawr> they want money?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:39:51 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:39:52 < ossifrage> What really drives me crazy is late fees and finance charges. If they are going to charge me a finance charge then the late fee seems to be a fuck you charge
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:39:57 < FreezingCold> I really wanted this credit card
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:40:15 < zigggggy> hi ossifrage
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:40:31 < zigggggy> FreezingCold Your request to increase your line of credit to $23,100 has been approved and will be available for use within 15 minutes.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:40:33 < ossifrage> 18 year olds are historically bad credit risks I'd assume
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:40:51 < Haxxa> I have an anti static wrist strap and I am wondering where the best place to connect it is i.e. should I put it onto 240v ground?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:40:59 < FreezingCold> but...
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:41:05 < FreezingCold> I don't even want much credit
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:41:17 < ossifrage> just enough to buy shit online
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:41:24 < zigggggy> FreezingCold which credit card did you apply for?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:41:33 < zigggggy> FreezingCold there are ways to get a reconsideration
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:41:42 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: JPMorgan/Chase branded as Amazon.ca
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:41:48 < FreezingCold> I wanted it because 0% forex fee
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:42:02 < FreezingCold> everywhere else in Canada is +2.5%
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:42:15 < ossifrage> ah, that is useful, those fees can really add up
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:42:37 < ossifrage> I think they even charge a fee for having to charge you a fee
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:43:50 < ossifrage> Haxxa, for bench mats with a grounding snap, you typically connect it to the metal screw on an electric outlet
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:44:24 < FreezingCold> meh, maybe I'll try opening a US bank account
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:45:50 < Haxxa> meh its missing the aligator clip :/
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:47:27 < zigggggy> FreezingCold Chase: (888) 245-0625 - Personal Reconsideration Line with a live rep.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:47:36 < FreezingCold> interesting, thanks
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:47:38 < FreezingCold> 24/7?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:47:48 < zigggggy> FreezingCold you call and say you applied for whatever card and say you were denied
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:48:00 < zigggggy> and tell them you dont understand why and would like them to reconsider
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:48:19 < zigggggy> they will ask you some questions
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:48:34 < ossifrage> and ask you for a blood sample
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:48:34 < zigggggy> i did this once with chase and it worked
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:48:52 < zigggggy> FreezingCold i dont think it is 24/7
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:48:56 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: thanks, will try tomorrow
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:49:39 < zigggggy> FreezingCold another site has
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:49:40 < zigggggy> 888-245-0625 (personal credit analyst, 7am-10pm EST M-F; 8am-10pm EST Sat. and 9am-9pm Sun.)
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:50:21 < zigggggy> FreezingCold but i did this with chase about 6 months ago.. applied for a chase freedom and was denied.. very strange
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:50:47 < FreezingCold> if you don't mind me asking, what's your income?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:51:01 < zigggggy> i found out that banks have a "reconsideration" department but trhe numbers are often not published
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:52:03 < zigggggy> i'd prefer not to say exactly except that it is at least 70k
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:52:14 < FreezingCold> ah yeah so quite a bit more than me
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:52:18 < zigggggy> it wasnt income related
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:52:23 < zigggggy> they asked me questions and stuff
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:52:35 < zigggggy> i dont have much credit history though
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:53:26 < zigggggy> anyways they asked some questions about my financial and stuff on my credit report and after about 10 mins they came back and approved me for $5k
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:53:47 < FreezingCold> stupid question, but can you pay off your credit card early to spend more?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T07:53:58 < FreezingCold> like if I have a $1k limit, can I pay off the first $1k and spend another $1k?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:54:05 < zigggggy> yes you can
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:54:07 < zigggggy> and people do that
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T07:54:36 < zigggggy> on some credit cards it can help get you a credit limit increase, on others it wont
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:26:38 < password2> ah
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:27:05 < FreezingCold> barque: fuck, speaking of EE, I need to decide what program I want to take
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:27:11 < FreezingCold> I wanna take ASU's online degree program
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:27:15 < FreezingCold> it's ABET certified too
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:27:17 < PigFlu> ill just run a lot of current through and see what happens
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:27:26 < jacob___> online degree is the best
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:27:45 < FreezingCold> jacob___: they don't print "online" on the degree
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:27:54 < jacob___> thats to bad
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:28:01 < jacob___> it would be an honer badge
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:28:02 < FreezingCold> ...that's good
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:28:10 < FreezingCold> old farts hate online education
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:28:15 < FreezingCold> makes them feel threatened
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:28:23 < jacob___> old farts are dicks dont work for them
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:28:29 < jacob___> compete with them
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:29:05 < Some_Person> I broke a trace for the first time today... perhaps even two: http://i.imgur.com/GpVDPIx.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:29:06 < jacob___> dont work for abnormal people
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:29:10 < FreezingCold> well
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:29:11 < Some_Person> What do I need to do to fix it?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:29:17 < FreezingCold> my dad is offering to pay for my degree
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:29:25 < FreezingCold> and he's an old fart who doesn't want me to get an online degree
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:29:30 < FreezingCold> hell I don't even want a degree
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:13 < jacob___> your dad went to college?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:34 < jacob___> easy talk for him? in his time college tuition was like 20% of current price
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:38 < barque> I'm back sorry
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:42 < barque> I was away
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:44 < madist> online degrees normally don't carry much weight with hiring managers
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:30:47 < FreezingCold> ^
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:30:56 < jacob___> madist, thats not true
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:31:00 < FreezingCold> it is
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:03 < jacob___> not for me
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:04 < madist> it is absolutely true
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:31:06 < FreezingCold> hiring managers are old farts
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:18 < jacob___> i got a degreein accounting, online, did pretty well
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:40 < madist> and half the value of a good institution is the contacts that you will make
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:42 < Some_Person> Is it even fixable? These are tiny ass traces
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:31:43 < FreezingCold> define "well"?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:31:54 < jacob___>  Even Elon Musk says degrees are useless and he has 2 of them so he can know
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:31:56 < barque> FreezingCold, I got a B Eng in Comp Eng
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:03 < barque> FreezingCOld, that means:
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:05 < jacob___> work for space x or tesla
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:08 < madist> a lot of jobs go to people with the right friends and recommendations
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:29 < jdoles> What were Elon's majors?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:32:31 < barque> FreezingCold, 50% Electrical Engineering, 25% Digital Hardware engineering and 25% software engineering and programming
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:31 < jacob___> madist, that would explain the current messy state of the US economy, nopotism
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:41 < jacob___> jdoles, physics and bussiness
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:32:44 < FreezingCold> jacob___: of course
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:54 < jdoles> jacob___: yeah, those sounds useless.... NOT
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:32:56 < FreezingCold> nobody is auguring that it's a fucked up world
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:32:58 < barque> FreezingCOld, if you pick EE eng, then it's all analog ee, with some minor digital...but then you branch off
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:33:08 < FreezingCold> barque: lemme show you the program
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:09 < jacob___> Elon Musk, says, read the books,
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:33:11 < FreezingCold> http://asuonline.asu.edu/bseee
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:12 < Some_Person> anyone?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:13 < jacob___> he never went to class
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:14 < jdoles> You can argue about the business degree.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:23 < barque> FreezingCOld, the branches are/could be: Robotics, Power systems, communication to name a few
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:25 < jdoles> jacob___: not everything is *in* books.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:32 < jacob___> bad books
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:33:33 < FreezingCold> barque: I already have a diploma in robotics
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:37 < jacob___> and good books
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:33:50 < barque> FreezingCold, what is YOUR choice?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:33:52 < barque> Robotics?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:34:01 < jacob___> The bizz degree was for fun, but combined with physics is a good thing
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:34:06 < jdoles> No, I am saying that not everything is in books, because it would be unresponsible to disclose certain information to the wrong audience.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:34:11 < jacob___> Elon Musk did very well for himself
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:34:18 < barque> FreezingCold, funny, I'm well-versed in multi-rigid body mechanics which is a big deal in simulation in that space
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:34:28 < jacob___> jdoles, stop talking nonsense
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:34:34 < barque> FreezingCold, e.g. more on the comp sci end of robotics
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:34:36 < jacob___> and go to school
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:34:48 < FreezingCold> barque: meh, my goal right now would be to focus on a business
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:00 < barque> FreezingCold, then go for MBA
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:07 < barque> FreezingCold, I'm being very serious
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:09 < Mikull> i usually hear that the band that a bandpass filter should pass is a band that is centered very far from 0 ... why do we need the band to be far from 0 ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:11 < FreezingCold> I'll be nearly 25 by the time I get an MBA
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:13 < jdoles> jacob___: I already went to university; there isn't really much I can learn besides some advanced math and some EE.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:15 < jacob___> MBA , why do so many people say its totally useless
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:19 < Mikull> why can't it be reaaally close to 0 ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:21 < FreezingCold> I already feel like I'm doing things too late in life
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:23 < Mikull> the center
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:25 < barque> FreezingCold, it. does. not. matter. I'm 28.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:35:30 < FreezingCold> I thought I would be further by now =/
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:41 < barque> Listen to me and don't argue. Go for an MBA.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:46 < jacob___> lol
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:35:52 < barque> I know what it means to have one from a prestigous university.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:04 < jdoles> barque: what exactly does it buy you?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:12 < jacob___> what does MBA teach you?
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:36:13 < FreezingCold> barque: right, but an MBA means I need to get a bachlor's first
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:36:25 < FreezingCold> jacob___: how to fuck people over better :) very useful skill
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:27 < barque> It could mean the difference between a $80-90k grand management job and a boring desk job hovering around $50k
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:30 < jdoles> barque: I know a guy who has one, and he has a pretty sweet job, but I have the same experience via other methods.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:37 < jacob___> freezlool
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:36:42 < barque> FreezingCold, I don't know. Put the effort in.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:43 < jdoles> barque: where I come from managers are being fired.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:54 < barque> jdoles, it doesn't matter, they'll get hired elsewhere
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:36:58 < barque> your place probably sucks
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:43:41 < Jan-> but it bleeps anyway
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:01 < Jan-> this is super annoying
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:02 < jacob___> Jan-: dont fix your own microwave moron, cmon
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:44:05 < barque> FreezingCold, so yeah, anyway. The societal values are like that for stable jobs at stable institutions.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:10 < jacob___> your brain will get cooked
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:44:14 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:16 < jdoles> Jan-: if those people would have been able to build something useful, they wouldn't have worked on a microwave.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:44:16 < FreezingCold> I don't want stable
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:24 < jacob___> barque: do you work for blackwater?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:44:25 < Jan-> well, I can't fix it, I don't have any way to modify the software
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:47:25 < barque> and these guys went apeshit with some Ron Paul propaganda
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:47:28 < jacob___> barque stop going off topic
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:47:31 < barque> doesn't matter anyway, they're trolling
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T22:47:43 < barque> anyway FreezingCold, good luck with your choices
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:47:43 < jdoles> barque: it's not like Ron Paul came up with these ideas.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:47:58 < jdoles> barque: it just shows your limited knowledge.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T22:48:01 < jacob___> Cato Letters 16th century
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:17:37 < SpeedEvil> fawefeawfewa: What is the COP/EER - how many watts does it take to make one watt of heat or cold
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:18:40 < FreezingCold> barque: thanks
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:18:52 -!- Huntyz [~Huntyz@2001:470:1f09:1ddb:9144:441e:e79b:d29f] has joined ##electronics
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:20:00 < jacob___> fawefeawfewa: your energybill, you dont live in Europe right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:20:59 < SpeedEvil> Also - #1 point. Add insulation or shading.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:21:02 < FreezingCold> https://webapp4.asu.edu/programs/t5/roadmaps/ASU00/ESEEEBSE/null/ONLINE/2014
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:21:04 < FreezingCold> how's that look?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:21:10 < fawefeawfewa> jacob___: nope
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:21:10 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: hideous.
2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:21:29 < FreezingCold> SpeedEvil: in 9 seconds you read the whole thing, impressive
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:21:30 < SpeedEvil> tl;dr
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2014-06.log:2014-06-22T23:21:39 < SpeedEvil> FreezingCold: It looked too long to read.
2014-06.log-2014-06-22T23:21:47 < ignacio> hi
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T00:42:13 < GPF_1> u powered cmos op-amp used as a const current source.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T00:44:01 < Kev> well it's not a very efficient design and it would not be visible at the same distance
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T00:44:29 < Kev> i'd rather use a cheapo constant current source
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T04:19:06 < dhrosa> (actually the load is more relevant here, but w/e)
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T04:20:07 < dhrosa> upgrdman: a hand-twisted pair of wire is not going to have a controlled impedance
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T04:20:20 < dhrosa> but it does accomplish the task of cancelling out noise
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2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:03:32 < FreezingCold> fucking admissions
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2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:03:41 < FreezingCold> I found the staff directory haha
2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:03:51 < FreezingCold> this email is going out to half a dozen members
2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:03:55 < FreezingCold> enjoy! good luck ignoring me
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T05:07:32 < OoTLink> ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:08:35 < FreezingCold> they were ignoring my appeal and trying to put it off
2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:08:51 < FreezingCold> I wanna go to my local uni so I don't feel so guilty when I drop out
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T05:08:59 < OoTLink> *nod*
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2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:27:21 < upgrdman> FreezingCold: appealing what? rejected app?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T05:28:00 < g33kyboi> hello
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2014-06.log:2014-06-23T05:34:30 < FreezingCold> upgrdman: yep
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T05:34:46 < upgrdman> bummer
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T05:34:53 < upgrdman> why? low gpa?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T07:08:31 < dhrosa> there is something severely wrong with my ltspice simulation
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T07:08:42 < dhrosa> my 12V transformer is outputting 10kV spikes, and so is my 5Vregulator :p
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2014-06.log-2014-06-23T07:10:00 < dhrosa> oops, my bridge rectifier is backwards
2014-06.log-2014-06-23T07:11:01 < dhrosa> nope,simulation stilll shitting itself
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T01:17:27 < Dark_Fox|Work> codepython777: You might have an easier time with above ground cable rather than below
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T01:17:38 < Dark_Fox|Work> Hrm.. I wonder if I can license dark cable for personal use
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T01:18:30 < Dark_Fox|Work> But.. I'd think whichever part of the city handles construction and zoning?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T01:20:13 < codepython777> Dark_Fox|Work: i was thinking underground would be more sturdy/reliable.
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T01:20:25 < Dark_Fox|Work> It's also 10x more expensive
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:24:14 < dhrosa> I'm confused, this FET her has a 10pC gate charge: http://www.vishay.com/docs/73788/SI1488DH.pdf
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:24:22 < dhrosa> but it says it takes 45 ns to rise
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:24:25 < OoTLink> the OEMs have never bothered to do the EFI support
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:24:30 < dhrosa> when charged@3.7 amps
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:36:58 < OoTLink> that's awesome :O
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:37:07 < JFK911> "it worked up till the last time i used it" is murphys law
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:37:10 < OoTLink> I do miss the phase shift though in portables :|
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:37:19 < OoTLink> there used to be a time when pro laptops were like swiss army knives
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T09:37:40 < OoTLink> now you have to use dongles :S
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:34:22 < archivist> electrons flow - to +
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:34:52 < YatharthROCK> I connect a wire from GND to 5V. In which direction are the electrons flowing?
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:34:55 < FreezingCold> what the fuck
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:35:04 < FreezingCold> my phone just popped the message "See you" on my screen
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:35:23 < archivist> I wish the idiots had fixed the effin theory when the discovered electrons
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:35:30 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: ... a text message?
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:35:50 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: nope, it's microsoft's creepy way of saying I was out of battery somehow (despite charging all night)
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:35:56 < FreezingCold> but yeah the whole screen was black
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:36:02 < YatharthROCK> archivist: WHAT'S THE ANSWER?
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T17:36:03 < FreezingCold> except the "See you" message in the middle in white text
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:36:11 < archivist> electrons flow - to +
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:36:28 < YatharthROCK> archivist: WHICH PIN TO WHICH PIN?
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T17:36:45  * YatharthROCK apologizes for using CAPS lock, but he can't help himself
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:28:26 < peeps[work]> grinding your weed?! :-O
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2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:29:30 < FreezingCold> heh my fucking family is bitching to me about my own graduation
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:29:32 < cheater> funny, when i do that i only get black chicks' back
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:29:36 < FreezingCold> this is pretty annoying
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:29:50 < FreezingCold> all these "events" for me end up being more against me
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:29:59 < FreezingCold> I don't even see the point of college graduation
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2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:30:06 < FreezingCold> I'm already well aware I finished
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:30:20 < FreezingCold> this isn't news
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:30:22 < FreezingCold> /rant
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:30:39 < tawr> FreezingCold - most everyone feels like that
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:30:47 < cheater> it's an important point in your life. you're supposed to go out and enjoy yourself. it is ritualistic in nature and the social contract is that you go and celebrate your achievement.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:31:03 < FreezingCold> cheater: I'm sick as fuck right now
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:31:07 < FreezingCold> I just want to stay in bed
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:31:07 < tawr> it's just one last step, and for most, one last step if attachment before finally getting the fuck away from those they have been stuck with, as well
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:31:09 < cheater> no one gives a shit
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:31:16 < cheater> twenty years from now you'll be like
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2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:32:11 < tawr> plus if a cold is going to put you out on your ass you definitely need to work on that.
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:32:12 < cheater> zigggggy, twenty years ago you were a dead corpse
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2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:32:48 < cheater> FreezingCold: so get your ass in gear, brush your teeth three times, take 1000 mg of aspirin+C, and get going
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:33:13 < tawr> ^
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:33:17 < FreezingCold> archivist: my college just mails it to you if you miss it
2014-06.log:2014-06-24T19:33:36 < archivist> FreezingCold, thats ok then
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:33:42 < tawr> Quit being a goddamn socially akward pussy and get fucking ready.
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:33:47 < archivist> hehe
2014-06.log-2014-06-24T19:33:51 < cheater> ^
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:26:43 < Scott0_> im stuck with DL205
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:26:45 < GPF_1> Omron series have eithernet.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:26:54 < GPF_1> direct logix?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:01 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:09 < FreezingCold> so I think I'm gonna go to work tomorrow despite being super sick
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:14 < FreezingCold> I can't say no to $100
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:27:15 < Scott0_> yep direct logc
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:22 < FreezingCold> oh omron?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:29 < FreezingCold> yeah I worked with that stuff
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:27:40 < FreezingCold> 'twas fun
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:27:52 < GPF_1> Yes, Omron has niffty CPU's
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:34:54 < Scott0_> that's all pulse I/O
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:35:26 < GPF_1> yes but you can add!
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:35:33 < GPF_1> like any other PLC system.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T01:35:45 < FreezingCold> Scott0_: automation direct?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:35:47 < GPF_1> you can use those inputs as Logic.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T01:35:48 < Scott0_> yep
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:07:32 < Scott0_> oh no, im not connecting locally via TCP
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:07:36 < Scott0_> this is remotely
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:07:40 < FreezingCold> fucking FAA
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:07:44 < Scott0_> device will have a static IP
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:07:47 < FreezingCold> they banned drones for package delivery!
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:07:49 < FreezingCold> assholes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:07:59 < GPF_1> does not matter.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:08:15 < FreezingCold> FAA or IP?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:08:31 < GPF_1>  don't you think it's kind of stupid to use a drone for packages?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:08:39 < MjrTom> can you elaborate on what that means: "banned drones for package delivery" ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:08:40 < FreezingCold> for house to house delivery, yeah...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:08:48 < GPF_1> unless the package is a bomb however!
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:08:52 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: banned drones for package delivery
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:09:01 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: exactly what it sounds like lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:09:02 < ss23> azonenberg: So, how do you think it worked, since it was attacked through magstripe reader, or cardreader I guess maybe a weird chipnpin attack
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:09:04 < MjrTom> repeating =/= elaborating :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:09:13 < FreezingCold> MjrTom: http://techcrunch.com/2014/06/24/faa-bans-the-use-of-drones-to-deliver-packages/
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:09:14 < MjrTom> it sounds ambiguous
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:09:42 < GPF_1> i think the idea was stupid anyway..
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:09:42 < MjrTom> so drones can be delivered as packages then?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:11:56 < GPF_1> I own one.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:12:15 < GPF_1> for the freight, I think it is a heck of a meter.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:12:20 < FreezingCold> Why do the lights in my room flicker every so slightly when I put my light switch in sensor mode?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:12:26 < FreezingCold> it's not a constant flicker, it's more random
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:12:28 < GPF_1> it has everything but the kitch sinl
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:12:34 < FreezingCold> between maybe 30-100hz
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:12:35 < GPF_1> kitchen
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:13:43 < evilbetty> sleeping suzies
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:13:47 < FreezingCold> is it somehow drawing power away from my main light...?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:15:13 < evilbetty> unlikely
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:16:23 < azonenberg> ss23: not sure
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:16:30 < azonenberg> i dont know enough about the hardware to be able to say
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:16:44 < azonenberg> buffer overflow in the reader lookign for end-of-card bit? :P
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:17:09 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: then what?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:18:44 < evilbetty> the chances are much bigger your switch is actually doing something with your lights than an actual current draw causing the flicker :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:19:52 < p0g0> Bird|lappy: I am pretty sure drones are not ready for prime time, for things like commercial package delivery.  If they fall out of the sky, and some will, it'll be trouble.  Why do you think they are so great at mapping, anyway?  The satellite imagery is pretty darn good, and the low flight parallax camera bearing planes get the job done for the most part.  I have read that I live in the most heavily mapped state in the US, mostly due to the coal min
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:19:52 < p0g0> ing, and I've had clients that use such imagery for mine engineering.  It's pretty good as is.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:20:07 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: yeah but why?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:20:22 < evilbetty> who knows
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:20:57 < azonenberg> p0g0: well, they can deliver realtime info
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:21:01 < azonenberg> More so than satellites
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:21:04 < p0g0> azonenberg: yes
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:22:14 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: lies, ##electronics knows everything
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:22:20 < FreezingCold> tell me the fucking truth
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:22:22 < FreezingCold> you piece of shit
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:04 < evilbetty> its a secret among chinese switch manufacturers
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:15 < evilbetty> it sends out signals for brain control
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:18 < ss23> azonenberg: Yeah, I guess uh, the way they used a massive board rather than just a card... so I guess they needed ot put in lots of bits... hmmm
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:38 < azonenberg> it only has to fit inside the machine
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:41 < azonenberg> and have a part to stick out
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:23:56 < ss23> azonenberg: I thought it might be more complex circuitry than something else
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:24:03 < FreezingCold> evilbetty: fuck, I knew it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:24:10 < azonenberg> ss23: it mostly looked like blank pcb
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:24:13 < azonenberg> no components
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:54:59 < boblehest> R0b0t1: Searching for "ersa tip" returns 112 results on ebay. Less than expected, but I guess it's something. :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:55:19 < boblehest> Currently looking for other stores where I can hopefully order the tips I need + some additional stuff for soldering.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:56:19 < FreezingCold> how the fuck are some people so computer illiterate
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:56:56 < p0g0> born that way...
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:57:18 < FreezingCold> lol, that sounds like some excuse I'd hear
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T02:57:35 < p0g0> you have never heard an aphorism like, "born with a silver cpu in their mouth"
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:59:06 < FreezingCold> good idea, I should write down some retorts for the next time I hear that
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T02:59:18 < FreezingCold> "right, and I was born with a keyboard in my hand"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:19:17 < steverrrrrrr> damnit whyd we have to advance so far, its too hard to make rent money
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:19:48 < evilbetty> eevblog's turning table is irritating me :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:20:09 < evilbetty> does he spin everything around like crazy or just what i'm watching?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:20:42 < FreezingCold> fucking hp man
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:20:50 < FreezingCold> preinstalling all this crap
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:21:09 < FreezingCold> gonna try system restore but it's probably going to restore all the crap too
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:21:12 < evilbetty> only 3 gig ram in use when unpacked :p
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:22:22 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: You can't use the OEM reload.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:22:42 < R0b0t1> There's like, 3-4 partitions, one or two of them is the reload and the image you first booted into.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:22:58 < R0b0t1> I suggest nuking the disk and then using a fresh vanilla CD.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:24:01 < R0b0t1> p0g0: english teachers are never clued up :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:24:48 < R0b0t1> boblehest: Cool, might also try finding a brand you can adapt to somewhat easily.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:25:39 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: I was considering doing that
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:25:45 < FreezingCold> but meh I'd have to download the ISO
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:25:52 < FreezingCold> fuck it, I'll just uninstall most of the crap
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:26:01 < R0b0t1> No.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:26:04 < R0b0t1> Use the .iso.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:26:57 < R0b0t1> And that's what a lot of that OEM crap is :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:27:17 < R0b0t1> ss23, well, my usage of the term is possible not fair, but it's what I'll use.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:27:31 < FreezingCold> heh
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:27:32 < R0b0t1> Also, that .iso is handy to have around. It will (somehow) make you the magic guru.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:27:42 < FreezingCold> I always delete them after awhile
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:27:56 < FreezingCold> Is there any direct links R0b0t1 ?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:28:02 < FreezingCold> not asking for piracy
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:28:05 < FreezingCold> just direct MS links
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:28:06 < R0b0t1> >physical copy, actually put it in a marked sleeve even if it's one you folded out of paper
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:28:12 < R0b0t1> well MS should still be doing that
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:02 < zigggggy> argh no beaky
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:29:08 < zigggggy> hi FreezingCold did you call chase?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:21 < theBear> pretty sure you can find direct links to recent versions of windowz at ms sites, simple webby search should find them, but also pretty sure oem codes won't work on them
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:29:23 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: I want to, but it's really painful to talk right now :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:24 < zigggggy> BEAR
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:29:26 < FreezingCold> damn cold
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:29 < theBear> yo
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:29:30 < zigggggy> FreezingCold :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:35 < zigggggy> bear where is beaky
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:29:58 < theBear> maybe if you edit that file, as i recall there's a file you can edit to 'change' what version the iso thinks it is (like pro/home/whatever they call em)
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:30:21 < theBear> i dunno man, maybe he blew himself up, my back hurts, i can't think about anything letalone him thismorning
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:31:16  * GyrosGeier only has red and blue pills, and you have to choose one
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:31:38 < steverrrrrrr> is it that HP gives you a windows re-install CD that doesn't contain the bloatware?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:31:40 < theBear> only one ? awww
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:32:00 < FreezingCold> steverrrrrrr: they don't give me an install CD or a key
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:32:00 < GyrosGeier> steverrrrrrr, they used to
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:32:02 < FreezingCold> I know I can get the key
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:32:03 < FreezingCold> but meh
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:32:05 < FreezingCold> fuck it :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:32:13 < GyrosGeier> with the business line, quite likely
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:32:28 < theBear> steverrrrrrr, sure as hell not for laptops, hp and asus are SHOCKING what they pre-install these days... even REALLY high specced lappies are unusable stock
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:32:38 < steverrrrrrr> o, you can get the key from HP and use any old ISO to install?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:33:51 < GyrosGeier> last time I tried, not so much
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:33:56 < theBear> R0b0t1, mmm, i spose things changed, older windowz didn't do that, since win2k i have only touched windows for friends and very special customers
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:34:01 < R0b0t1> And since it was ruled they can't actually do that, you can get it undone by calling a hotline and saying you changed your hardware.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:34:03 < FreezingCold> steverrrrrrr: I can extract it, but meh
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:34:56 < R0b0t1> It's worth extracting it if you can't find it.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:35:11 < R0b0t1> Actually if this is Win8 I was never able to find a MS-hosted .iso
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:35:35 < steverrrrrrr> wow
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:36:10 < R0b0t1> first result in google
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:36:13 < R0b0t1> give me a sec
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:36:53 < steverrrrrrr> what if you're upgrading to Windows 8, do you use the same code or you get another code or you have to purchase it?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:37:17 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: cool thanks
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:37:43 < R0b0t1> different I assume
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:37:46 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: 8 or 8.1?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:37:51 < FreezingCold> 8.1 I assume
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:40:39 < R0b0t1> https://www.google.com/search?&q=Win8+microsoft+iso
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:40:43 < R0b0t1> So, that first link is so so promising.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:40:50 < R0b0t1> But fails to deliver.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:41:31 < Casper> windows 8 is a downgrade
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:41:34 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I suggest searching technet with their bing search. I can't get it to work.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:41:40 < Casper> stay on win7
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:41:42 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I suspect that will get you where you need to be.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:41:44 < FreezingCold> hmmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:41:47 < R0b0t1> Casper: Actually not true.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:42:05 < R0b0t1> It's an upgrade by every reasonable measure, except the ridiculous UI which is fixable.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:42:20 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-8.aspx
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:42:25 < Casper> still better to stay on 7
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:43:18 < R0b0t1> Arguable, I wouldn't go out of my way to get a 8.1 license if I had to buy it, but assuming it came with the computer I'd use it. 7 is going to be EOL'd comparatively soon.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:49:13 < boblehest> Just want to make sure I'm getting the right one. None of the stores I'm looking at is using any specific term for those kinds of tips.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:50:02 < Casper> yeah.... they seems to all use different name
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:50:02 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Well I have just learned what I told you to do is not actually possible.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:50:17 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I am scared for the future of computing, and shall retreat further into my tinfoil.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:51:48 < FreezingCold> R0b0t1: yeah I know windows 8 did all sorts of messy with licensing
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:51:50 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I think you should grab the Windows 7 .iso from the Microsoft link, install it to your machine, and then run this using your 8.1 key: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/upgrade-product-key-only
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:52:10 < FreezingCold> it's retarded, you can't install Windows on Chromebooks, and you can't install Linux on some "Windowsbooks"
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:52:25 < FreezingCold> it's a very "wut" moment for CS
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:53:14 < nitero> Hey.  I just RMA'ed a motherboard, and a APU from a new build, since I couldn't get them to work.  With the new ones, I'm getting the exact same behavior as before.  The CPU fan turns on then turns off immediately.  The case fan continues to run until I press & hold the power button.  With the old parts before I RMA'ed them, I tried a "bench test" (I took them out of the case and set them on a book with no drives connected and just the 1 stick of RA
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:53:14 < nitero> M with a known-working 500w PSU (25w processor, 500w PSU should be enough), same behavior.  When I take out the RAM and try to start it it beeps continuously.  It's a AMD Sempron 3850 with a Gigabyte GA-AM1M-S2H.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:53:45 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Link to windowsbooks you can't *nix on?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:54:40 < FreezingCold> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-tries-to-block-linux-off-windows-8-pcs/9572
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:54:45 < filadome> anyone want to help me hook up a bill acceptor to an arduino?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:55:26 < R0b0t1> Without the datasheet to the acceptor, not particularly, no.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:55:47 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: Ah, I'd heard about UEFI/secureboot, but never heard of a machine where it was not disableable.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:56:07 < FreezingCold> IIRC they managed to block it pretty good sometimes
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:56:21 < FreezingCold> like if UEFI is the only option for a motherboard
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:56:28 < FreezingCold> what you gonna do? write a new BIOS? :p
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:57:00 < filadome> R0b0t1, http://www.pyramidacceptors.com/files/Apex_Manual.pdf page 11
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:58:13 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: You can (as far as I know) always end up disabling secure boot. Grub2 has supported uefi for a while, and the kernel can launch directly from it.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:58:23 < R0b0t1> I mean, I don't like the way it's going, but it's not over... yet...
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:58:32 < R0b0t1> filadome: Got a specific question?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:58:32 < FreezingCold> interesting, I thought they somehow forced secure boot on
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:58:36 < Casper> FreezingCold: I do not know if that thing was even true
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:59:03 < Casper> secure boot is disableable and required if you want to downgrade
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:59:06 < R0b0t1> FreezingCold: I mean if UEFI was forced on the boot controller would not revert to BIOS compatibility.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T03:59:10 < R0b0t1> er, secureboot
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T03:59:24 < FreezingCold> Casper: ah good
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:00:06 < Casper> and I beleive secureboot is ms solution to...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:14:23 < FreezingCold> http://www.molex.com/molex/products/family?key=microfit_30&channel=products&chanName=family&pageTitle=Introduction
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:14:26 < FreezingCold> how do they count the pins on this
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:14:39 < FreezingCold> like if I'm facing the "front" with the clip at the top, is the top left pin #1?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:19:26 < FreezingCold> never mind
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:19:29 < FreezingCold> it's marked out lol
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:35:37 < theBear> oh, that too, on the newer versions that support graphical access
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:35:37 < Casper> grrr   something is fucked up on the new kernel
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:35:51 < Casper> mount.nfs: Connection timed out  <==== grrrr
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:35:54 < steverrrrrrr> FreezingCold: i just read that linked article.  when you say extract do you mean get the signature that is in the firmware binary?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:35:56 < theBear> sweet zombie jesus balls ! why is my back so damned grumpy thismornnig
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:36:31 < Casper> is it me or is nfs not ready for production use?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:36:36 < Casper> i.e. pre alpha?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:36:53 < theBear> i think it's you, v3 and v4 have been pretty damned good the last 5 years or so
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T04:37:02 < FreezingCold> steverrrrrrr: uh no, just extract from the registry lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:37:41 < Casper> I use v4, and I get tons of stale nfs handle
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:37:52 < Casper> upgraded the server kernel, now nfs do not work at all
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T04:37:54 < theBear> you got all the different rpc services running ?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T18:42:28 < FreezingCold> dony: you can use a hc-06 module
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T18:42:39 < FreezingCold> hc-06 can be flashed to a hc-05 if you want to save $0.50
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:12:10 < dony> FreezingCold: can I use a regular usb
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:12:21 < FreezingCold> dony: Why bother with USB here?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:12:22 < _688as> meow
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:12:24 < FreezingCold> you want bluetooth, no?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:12:38 < _688as> why use transistors?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:12:43 < _688as> just use vacuum tubes
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:13:30 < FreezingCold> one of my coworkers loves his vacuum tubes
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:13:33 < FreezingCold> I don't see the appeal
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:04 < dony> FreezingCold: I want something that is available in my country I meant a bluetooth dongle
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:05 < kludge> FreezingCold: Mostly they are simple V^2/3 law devices without too much gain, so it's hard to make anything too nonlinear accidentally with them.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:12 < FreezingCold> dony: oh
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:14:13 < dony> know what I mean
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:14:22 < dony> don't want to order anything from overseas
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:28 < FreezingCold> dony: I thought you wanted to hook a microcontroller via bluetooth
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:39 < dony> FreezingCold: I do
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:46 < FreezingCold> ...
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:14:56 < FreezingCold> does your microcontroller already have bluetooth?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:15:04 < dony> I don't know
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:15:16 < dony> FreezingCold: first time working with Microcontroller or electronics
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:15:20 < dony> how can I check?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:15:25 < dony> I guess not
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:15:27 < zigggggy> kludge i have chicken cordon bleu for lunch!
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:15:37 < FreezingCold> dony: 99% of the time it doesn't
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:15:49 < dony> well I'm 99% sure it doesn't have
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:16:16 < FreezingCold> get a hc-05 module for ~$4 (with backplate) off ebay
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:16:30 < kludge> zigggggy: with fake cheese and boneless chicken breast?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:16:40 < FreezingCold> then use the microcontroller to send rs232 (3.3/5V) to the module
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:16:43 < dony> FreezingCold: okay are there any other choices in case I don't find one in the given time?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:16:43 < zigggggy> no real cheese and real boneless breast
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:17:08 < kludge> zigggggy: I am trying to convince people to go to lunch.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:17:09 < FreezingCold> dony: I have no clue what your project is. But maybe just use a cheap cell phone instead?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:17:14 < zigggggy> kludge to the indian place?
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:17:32 < kludge> zigggggy: No, to the korean place where we were supposed to go yesterday when we went to the indian place instead.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:38:09 < FreezingCold> dony: what class?
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:38:25 < FreezingCold> I'm surprised you didn't know if your MCU had bluetooth or not, and it's for a class...
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:40:00 < dony> FreezingCold: sensor class
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:40:07 < blight> is it defined if "true" in C is 1 or is it just not 0?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:40:20 < blight> (1<2) == 1 always true?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:19 < dony> FreezingCold: it has nothing to do with either MCU or Electronics just a bit of general knowledge about sensors
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:27 < FreezingCold> ah
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:32 < dony> nothing important if you ask me complete waste of time FreezingCold
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:41 < FreezingCold> well, a cell phone might be a decent idea
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:45 < FreezingCold> already has bluetooth
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:41:47 < dony> would've been better if they let us study
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:41:57 < dony> FreezingCold: you think so
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T19:42:04 < dony> FreezingCold: maybe you are right
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T19:42:32 < FlipFlop> zigggggy howsit been?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:22:45 < theBear> Posterdati, what do you want the chip able to do ?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:23:41 < _abc_> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2666870/Googles-Nest-talks-washing-machines-lights-car-Firm-launches-program-connect-smart-gadgets.html
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:23:42 < FreezingCold> Hey so not too ##electronics related, but do you guys have suggestions on how to get snapped off screws out easily?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:24:05 < FreezingCold> I tried to drill through on two different projects, snapped my drill bit on both -.-
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:25:14 < theBear> FreezingCold, if there is anything exposed vice grips can be good, if you wanna get serious about it a set of 'ezy out's is good, it'll include a range of sizes with both reverse 'thread' drillbits and bits with reverse-thread woodscrew-esque bits to finish
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:25:54 < theBear> and in some cases heat/cold can assist, and of course lubrication (usually a very thin penetrating kinda lube)
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:26:07 < FreezingCold> usually it's cleanly snapped off
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:26:55 < theBear> you want some ezy-out or similar things then, short of redrilling and retapping
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:28:00 < _abc_> :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:28:04 < sabotender> you see that is what I thought too
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:28:06 < password2> hi
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:28:07 < FreezingCold> theBear: yeah retapping isn't what I wanted to do
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:28:18 < _abc_> I found a bit with reverse thread a few days ago. It was the only one the right size... duh
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:28:23 < sabotender> and those that would, would charge an unholy amount of money
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:45:13 < _abc_> sabotender: They are. LiPo too. Hell to replace, you never know when you touch the other pole smd part
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:45:30 < _abc_> kludge: I think I was talking about SITs.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:45:55 < _abc_> I think. I read an article about FET history and this came up and I thought I'd ask when you are around.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:07 < FreezingCold> haha wtf
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:46:08 < sabotender> _abc_: maybe. it is still a stupid design decision. I guess they thought the devices were meant to be disposable when the battery lost its life
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:13 < FreezingCold> HR companies are so useless
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:19 < FreezingCold> I'm being asked to interview for the exact same job again
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:46:21 < _abc_> http://www.firstwatt.com/pdf/art_sit_intro.pdf makes some sense
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:23 < FreezingCold> but with a different person
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:28 < FreezingCold> ...why
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:46:30 < sabotender> FreezingCold: o/
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:46:38 < sabotender> followup interview
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:46:48 < sabotender> I've had them before
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:47:15 < kludge> _abc_: I think Toshiba made a couple SITs and they had a good reputation but only a couple amps used them.  I have no actual experience with them at all.
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:47:24 < _abc_> ok
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:47:29 < _abc_> Interesting beasts
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:47:29 < sabotender> they must really want quality control with their employees. They are probably trying to reduce the turnover rate, FreezingCold
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:47:30 < kludge> But the big power jfets were very cool.
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:49:03 < FreezingCold> sabotender: well, I'm quitting in like a month
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:49:04 < FreezingCold> so
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T20:49:10 < FreezingCold> probably not going to take the job
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T20:50:06 < _abc_> kludge: So First Watt makes them again
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:22:43 < kludge> Well, that's what you have to do if you have a midi file, which is basically a score.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:23:12 < kludge> Well, you could farm the synthesis out, and trigger solenoids on a xylophone or something....
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:25:06 < FreezingCold> LOL non-techy people make me laugh sometimes
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:25:16 < FreezingCold> I was trying to figure out WTF this HR lady was talking about
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:25:29 < FreezingCold> they have a temporary Linux developer (C/C++) job
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:25:34 < FreezingCold> so I ask about it
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:25:44 < FreezingCold> and she tells me "I'll let you know about the Line position"
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:26:06 < FreezingCold> I wasted like half an hour google'ing "Line" thinking it was the company
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:26:15 < mutilator> new way to pronounce linux
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:26:16 < mutilator> lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:26:53 < password2> really..
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2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:27:24 < FreezingCold> I've never seen Linux misspelled as Line before hahaha
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:36:36 < cheater> just learnt a new name for "a lot of stuff": "one crore"
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:36:38 < FreezingCold> the "o" and "u" aren't even side by side
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:36:42 < cheater> kludge will appreciate.
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T21:37:01 < Dark_Fox|Work> FreezingCold: I screw up sentences like that every so often
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:37:16 < Hyratel> WHEEEE, big batch of Vishay samples arrived :D two types of MOSFETs, and Red, Orange and Yellow superbright LEDs
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:37:26 < Dark_Fox|Work> My hands type their own thing, but they type correct words. So sometimes I'll slip and use the wrong word without noticing
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T21:37:30 < kludge> cheater: I thought that was a specific number of things?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T23:11:32 < Polesch> I'm assembling my core now, will test it with lower voltages
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T23:11:40 < FreezingCold> yay my health insurance info came in the mail today
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T23:11:48 < cheater> madist: have you been reading hacker news again
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T23:12:00 < madist> yes
2014-06.log-2014-06-25T23:12:29 < madist> I'm learning all about hackers, so I can protect my computer from them.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-25T23:25:01 < MichelleZ> i'm in to can bus currently, been sticking can interfaces on everything so hopefully it will all pull together nicely
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T23:25:38 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-06.log:2014-06-25T23:25:48 < FreezingCold> never mind
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T00:55:41 < dhrosa> depends on what frequency output you want
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T00:56:01 < dhrosa> probably
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T00:56:14 < Hyratel> http://kerbaldevteam.tumblr.com/post/89898082279/grab-ksp-as-a-steam-summer-sale-daily-deal-for-40-off
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T00:56:52 < OoTLink> http://i.imgur.com/KkYxcwq.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T00:56:58 < OoTLink> I like his arcade cabinet
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:02:51 < dhrosa> you choose a fixed frequency to switch at, and vary the duty cycle
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:18 < FreezingCold> awww that's fucking retarded
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:26 < FreezingCold> I can't withdraw my extra health benefits as cash
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:28 < FreezingCold> wtf
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:31 < FreezingCold> their mine...
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:38 < FreezingCold> *they're
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:03:41 < edshin> break a leg!
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:03:55 < dhrosa> otherPaul: your limitation is at the higher frequencies, not the lower
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:03:56 < otherPaul> "Output stages such as those used in pulse generators are examples of class D amplifiers. However, the term mostly applies to power amplifiers intended to reproduce signals with a bandwidth well below the switching frequency."
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:03:57  * SpeedEvil helps FreezingCold out.
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:04:02  * SpeedEvil puts away the baseball bat
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:04:07 < otherPaul> ok
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:04:08 < FreezingCold> I'm actually opting out of all the health care benefits
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:04:32 < FreezingCold> don't need them. My parents already have too many frigging insurance plans
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:04:34 < dhrosa> d-snp: if you want 16-bit resolution, that means you'll want 2^16 different duty cycle values
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:04:47 < FreezingCold> my father has two and my mother has one, and i'm covered under all three
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:05:06 < dhrosa> which makes your switching frequency.... 800Hz if you use a 50MHZ FPGA clock
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:05:11 < dhrosa> which is miserable
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:51:09 < FreezingCold> what the fuck
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:51:12 < FreezingCold> I don't have an employee number
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:51:21 < FreezingCold> I have an employee usarname
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:51:23 < FreezingCold> but no fucking number
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T01:52:17 < ace4016> sorry, YOU FIROD!
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T01:53:07 < FreezingCold> oh, they meant health insurance number. Idiots, that's not a fucking employee number
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T03:05:39 < FreezingCold> lol, this insurance company managed to pull off the dumbest rep I've ever talked to
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T03:06:08 < FreezingCold> i would read something WORD FOR WORD off their website and she'd say in a stuck up way "sorry, I don't understand what you mean."
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T03:06:21 < FreezingCold> bitch it's yo website
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:06:41 < dhrosa> I've eaten nothing today but fried rice and a half pack of chips ahoy, and a bunch of sugary cereal
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:06:44 < dhrosa> I've made a huge mistake
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:06:46 < dhrosa> :(
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T03:09:43 < FreezingCold> no that's good, go lose some weight
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:10:10 < dhrosa> my stomach feels terrible, it's scary how much your body changes
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:10:19 < dhrosa> i'm 22 and can barely eat shit food anymore
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:16:52 < theBear> i run outta beans and they cost more than i got right now, desperate times ! don't worry, i got a hookup thisevening
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T03:17:05 < FreezingCold> theBear: what country you from?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:19:43 < dhrosa> bearistan
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T03:20:06 < dhrosa> theBear is going to hookup with his bean dealer, and get the good stuff
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:43:28 < FreezingCold> man I need to hire a native chinese person to chat lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:43:57 < OoTLink> android L is love. Android L is life
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:44:18 < OoTLink> nah dude just learn chinese and do a lousy job translating it
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:44:24 < OoTLink> it's about time someone fed them what they've been feeding us
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:44:24 < OoTLink> hahaha
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:44:56 < FreezingCold> it took me like an hour to explain a single db9 to five 1/8" mono ports was
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:45:02 < FreezingCold> 50% sure they still didn't get it right
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:45:47 < OoTLink> there were always a few chinese guys in my uni classes
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:45:53 < OoTLink> that were totally fresh off the boat
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:49:18 < OoTLink> that happened on occassion with certain teachers that were idiots that stereotyped
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:50:00 < nofxx> FreezingCold, I must say I've been aquiring skills in that area, basically think you are explaning to a 5 y/r child
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:50:09 < OoTLink> I had a white teacher once that told me he only gave As to "real" chinese people
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:50:12 < nofxx> don't make any sentence longer than 5 words
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:50:18 < OoTLink> but it was amusing
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:50:25 < OoTLink> IIRC he even described a very specific type of people
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:50:34 < OoTLink> no surprise I hated him.
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:51:04 < FreezingCold> nofxx: meh fuck it, I might just pay somebody to do it for me
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:51:10 < FreezingCold> elance baby
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:51:47 < nofxx> FreezingCold, and never ask 2 or more things. in the best scenario you'll get 1 answer
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:51:49 < OoTLink> but I get sore when I see that kinda thing (it's rare)
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:51:57 < OoTLink> when I was a kid in 4th grade my school got this huge donation of old computers
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:52:04 < nofxx> 3 questions -> 1 answer, 10 questions -> 1 answer ;)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:52:34 < OoTLink> they had nothing on them so I brought my box of floppies with me one day and setup the ones that were laying around in our class
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:52:37 < FreezingCold> more like 10 questions -> 0 answer
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:52:43 < OoTLink> and they were like oh hey cool you know your stuff, would you fix the others?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:52:45 < OoTLink> so I did
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:53:11 < nofxx> FreezingCold, heh or a question back
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:13 < OoTLink> I got bored so I asked for a classmate as an assistant
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:27 < OoTLink> got one of my friends, a filipino kid to help, he didn't know computer stuff as well as I did, so I taught him lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:29 < intranick> roar
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:34 < OoTLink> they gave him credit for being the guy
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:40 < OoTLink> and me the assistant
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:53:49 < OoTLink> I corrected them on stage, fuckers
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:53:52 < FreezingCold> good, always hide in the backlight
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:53:52 < FreezingCold> no
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:53:55 < FreezingCold> don't correct them
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:54:12 < FreezingCold> my high school literally made up the factor I was in computer club
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:54:15 < FreezingCold> I never attended
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:54:22 < OoTLink> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:54:25 < FreezingCold> I talked outside the hallway of the room during lunch ONCE
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:54:27 < OoTLink> did that in high school too
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:54:29 < FreezingCold> and glanced in
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:54:40 < OoTLink> the HS had a computer club of sorts but the teacher annoyed me and so did the other guys
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:54:47 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:54:52 < OoTLink> another teacher had a room full of computers so I'd go to his room during lunch
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:55:05 < FreezingCold> when it came time for the yearbook photo I asked not to be in it but I was forced...
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:56:00 < tawr> OoTLink - pm
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:56:08 < FreezingCold> tawr: sending dick pics again?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:56:22 < FreezingCold> I can't remember, are you gay OoTLink ?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:56:40 < OoTLink>  no
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:57:37 < tawr> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T05:57:47 < tawr> damn, shot down twice. bad luck FreezingCold
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:57:53 < tawr> dont worry, youll get them eventually
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T05:58:20 < intranick> hah
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:06:20 < FreezingAlt> what a fucking asshole
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:06:28 < FreezingAlt> "oh my god FreezingAlt, I hope that was a joke."
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:06:39 < tawr> you offered help and he didn't want it?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:06:57 < FreezingCold> that's not a problem
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:07:07 < FreezingCold> he was an asshole about it
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:07:19 < FreezingCold> and went on telling everyone for a solid 2-3 minutes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:07:28 < tawr> that you offered to help him?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:07:32 < tawr> i fail to see how that is an issue
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:08:03 < FreezingCold> apparently we're all so "manly" and offering help to pack shit up isn't acceptable
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:08:20 < FreezingCold> tawr: just had a mocking tone to it
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:08:24 < upgrdman> what kind of work do you do?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:08:32 < FreezingCold> wheelchair technician
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:09:05 < tawr> dude
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:09:06 < tawr> get over it
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:09:24 < FreezingCold> I know. I just hate being there around pricks
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:09:36 < tawr> act like an asshole back and move on. if every prick gets under your skin, you're gonna get stds
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:09:56 < FreezingCold> And quite a few people enjoy taking shots at the fact I have a community college diploma instead of just high school (which is all they did)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:05 < OoTLink> :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:11 < OoTLink> I have a fucking bachellors degree
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:12 < OoTLink> fuck yeah
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:11:19 < FreezingCold> oh they'd laugh at that
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:11:27 < tawr> FreezingCold - it's not a big deal man
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:27 < OoTLink> i think associates degrees are great though
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:29 < opeRaptor> Hey anyone can help me do a read on a pin on MSP430 ;__;
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:11:36 < FreezingCold> they keep making the same stupid joke about how "a computer can't turn a screw!"
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:37 < OoTLink> it's a start, ya know
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:11:46 < FreezingCold> meanwhile there I'm sitting with a fucking associates in robotics
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:50 < OoTLink> OMG
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:52 < OoTLink> ROBOTS ANYONE
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:11:53 < tawr> FreezingCold, ask them how cars are made?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:11:57 < tawr> ^
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:12:02 < FreezingCold> they don't seem to think that big
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:12:09 < OoTLink> someone needs to show them a video of robots putting cars together
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:12:23 < OoTLink> the scary thing fc, is there are a lot of people like that
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:12:25 < OoTLink> and they vote
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:12:27 < FreezingCold> tawr: dude, one of my coworkers is convinced keeping a used product hurts the company more compared to throwing it out
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:12:28 < upgrdman> FreezingCold: should give your douche bag co-worker one of these: http://i.imgur.com/aY1vlBH.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:12:36 < opeRaptor> Hey anyone can help me do a read on a pin on MSP430 ;__;
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:12:54 < FreezingCold> tawr: his logic is because it gets into inventory, and then the company has to pay for it
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:12:59 < madist> Hey anyone can help me do a read on a pin on MSP430 ;__;
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:06 < FreezingCold> and if they sell it for less than new, then they lose money
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:07 < FreezingCold> WTF
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:12 < FreezingCold> how can someone think that's real?!
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:21 < opeRaptor> @ madist lel
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:39 < OoTLink> FC: technically
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:40 < FreezingCold> I even told him maybe it would be a (mistake) loss on paper, but in reality you would save money
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:45 < OoTLink> yeah technically it's not possible
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:45 < opeRaptor> Seriously, I cannot figure the damn thing out
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:46 < tawr> FreezingCold - it is real?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:48 < FreezingCold> he said physically it would love money
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:13:51 < FreezingCold> *lose money
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:52 < OoTLink> if you depreciate an asset to nothing and sell it for profit
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:13:58 < madist> opeRaptor: set P1DIR and then read P1IN ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:14:00 < OoTLink> iirc you update your depreciation
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:17:28 < madist> where are you stuck ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:17:40 < opeRaptor> madist: Also, I am reading from this site already
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:17:49 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: it's insane to know that there's a person out there who believes throwing things out is cheaper
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:18:01 < FreezingCold> it's just a very wtf thing to me
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:03 < OoTLink> FC: old computers can be like that
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:05 < OoTLink> pentium 4 :D
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:11 < OoTLink> something with a 150w idle?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:22 < opeRaptor> well, I am trying to light a LED when button is pressed
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:18:34 < FreezingCold> OoTLink: he believes that with a product that's two weeks used
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:39 < opeRaptor> not wanting to deal with interrupt just yet
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:41 < OoTLink> what
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:18:49 < OoTLink> what is it. vibrators? xD
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:18:55 < FreezingCold> like if we get something back from a client
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:19:01 < FreezingCold> say a motor controller
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:19:05 < FreezingCold> "throw it out"
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:19:12 < madist> opeRaptor: http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_PushButton
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:19:32 < FreezingCold> "otherwise we lose money"
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:19:34 < OoTLink> lunchpad?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:19:45 < opeRaptor> http://pastebin.com/3HwkmB9S
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:23:28 < opeRaptor> I used it earlier to alternate the blink
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:23:35 < opeRaptor> from one LED to another
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:23:35 < madist> ok
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:23:42 < FreezingCold> so I don't get it
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:24:00 < FreezingCold> are most audio jacks 3.5mm or 1/8"?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:24:19 < opeRaptor> FreezingCold: I am in a infinite for loop waiting for button press
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:24:29 < opeRaptor> FreezingCold: also 3.5is the most common
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:24:37 < madist> at startup the ports are all inputs, so you don't actually have to change anything
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:24:46 < opeRaptor> Sure
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:24:47 < madist> you can jump directly into the while loop
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:25:00 < opeRaptor> Remember, P1.1 is button
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:25:17 < opeRaptor> P1.0 is LED
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:26:38 < madist> right
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:26:38 < FreezingCold> opeRaptor: so for ports, go with 3.5mm, and with plugs, go with 1/8"?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:27:49 < zinx> FreezingCold: 1/8" is a myth
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:28:10 < OoTLink> *yawn*
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:13 < FreezingCold> really?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:17 < FreezingCold> oh
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:27 < FreezingCold> I found out that the chinese just call it a DC 3.5mm jack
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:30 < opeRaptor> FreezingCold: Yes "3/5mm" is the same as "1/8 inch"
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2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:37 < FreezingCold> I've never seen it used for DC
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:28:44 < FreezingCold> but clearly they have lol
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:29:08 < zinx> there's 2.5mm and 3.5mm and 1/4"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:29:24 < opeRaptor> madist: Is my problem because of debouncing?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:29:32 < opeRaptor> ie no debouncing
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:29:49 < madist> you should still see the LED flash
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:30:01 < opeRaptor> well I do... Sometimes
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:30:02 < FreezingCold> zinx: but 1/8" is actually 3.5mm right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:30:05 < zinx> if someone says 1/8" they actually mean "it's 3.5mm, but i don't know what a milli or meter are"
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:30:21 < FreezingCold> haha
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:30:41 < zinx> FreezingCold: 1/8" is 3.175mm, not 3.5mm, but yes, people mean 3.5mm when they say it in reference to headphone jacks
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:30:59 < opeRaptor> madist: very hard to replicate
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:31:01 < FreezingCold> I thought ~500 micrometers would make a difference
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:31:06 < FreezingCold> thanks
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:31:16 < zinx> that much space makes a pretty big difference, yes
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:31:22 < zinx> which is why i say
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:31:27 < zinx> they are 3.5mm, not 1/8".
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:32:28 < opeRaptor> cat?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:32:40 < FreezingCold> +++1 internet point to zinx
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:32:40 < zinx> FreezingCold: Apple has been using 3.5mm jack for power for a long time, but in the worst way possible (requires proprietary charger with chip in it)
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:32:50 < FreezingCold> for what device?
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:33:01 < FreezingCold> I thought the ipods/iphones used their weird 30 pin connector
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:33:04 < zinx> FreezingCold: mind you, it's 100% DC apart from the ridiculous handshake.
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:33:08 < opeRaptor> iBooks
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:33:12 < FreezingCold> iboobs
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:33:15 < FreezingCold> teehee
2014-06.log:2014-06-26T06:33:22 < zinx> FreezingCold: some smaller music players
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:33:22 < opeRaptor> I believe?
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:33:34 < opeRaptor> and iBooks zinx
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T06:33:40 < zinx> kk
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T07:37:03 < OoTLink> that aint for cosplayin in
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T07:37:05 < OoTLink> that's for sleeping in XD
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T07:37:33 < ohsix> cosplay ... finally a legitimate reason to hate the arduino
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2014-06.log-2014-06-26T07:38:11 < Loshki> $20 for a piece of green sateen...
2014-06.log-2014-06-26T07:38:13 < ohsix> (, not)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:21:24 < SpeedEvil> ah
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:21:34 < evilbetty> anyway we won again with the soccer crap
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:21:43 < evilbetty> we won every time
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:22:44 < evilbetty> anyway tomorrow i have some mouse catching to do
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:22:53 < Scott0_> get a cat
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:22:54 < evilbetty> i locked it up in the bathroom for now
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:45:12 < DanDare> voxadam_y, well, USB3 is kinda "new", prices go high until it becomes popular I think
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:45:15 < Jan-> jingles?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:45:25 < evilbetty> and whats wrong with $50 for a powered usb3 hub with 2A poets
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:45:33  * voxadam_y is cheap.
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T01:45:34 < DanDare> music stuff for commercials etc :)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:16:21 < p0g0_> the heads fly
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:16:42 < SpeedEvil> They have little wings that beat at several kilohertz.
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:16:43 < DanDare> I see. So not a good idea probably
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:17:11 < FreezingCold> yay another $1k in the bank account
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:17:13 < FreezingCold> oh how I love payday
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:17:31 < p0g0_> FreezingCold: what was that account # again?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:17:41 < SpeedEvil> DanDare: Read the specs on your disk. You may find it has adequate vibration tollerance
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:17:42 < FreezingCold> 666666-go-66666-fuck-66666-yourself
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:17:48 < SpeedEvil> DanDare: however - cooling in a backpack...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:17:58 < DanDare> SpeedEvil, true ...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:18:14 < DanDare> lets abort that :(
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:19:39 < jimi_hendrix> i want to print out a schematic for a cool circuit and make it a poster. any suggestions for a circuit?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:19:53 < FreezingCold> a penis circuit
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:20:03 < ryannathans> ^
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:20:23 < dhrosa> http://maniacalindustries.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/resistance-is-futile.gif
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:20:26 < dhrosa> ^
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:20:56 < FreezingCold> I don't see a penis in that
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:21:06 < FreezingCold> I can photoshop one on if you'd like
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:21:16 < dhrosa> no thanks, that is not neccessary
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:21:16 < ryannathans> jimi_hendrix: just print out super hi-res version of some cpu die
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:21:19 < SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/730/ jimi_hendrix
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:22:57 < BFreeze> http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mG68p_CVOxy7MWarrV4STYA.jpg   <--- With controller boards like this...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:23:09 < Jan-> what's that
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:23:26 < FreezingCold> Jan-: who's phil
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:23:37 < BFreeze> http://img02.taobaocdn.com/bao/uploaded/i2/T1e7myXXhUXXc1wxDa_121342.jpg  <--- ... and input modules from eBay like this; Has anyone tried to build a controller in mini aluminum enclosures?
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:23:42 < Jan-> FreezingCold: my personal man toy
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:24:06 < FreezingCold> Jan-: rightttt. you're gay, IIRC?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:24:21 < SpeedEvil> Jan is also a womans name.
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:24:31 < FreezingCold> yes, but women aren't on the internet
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T02:24:33 < FreezingCold> fool
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:25:08 < SpeedEvil> That is boring.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T02:26:42  * intranick throws a lightstick 
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:03:36 < OoTLink> http://www.coleparmer.com/Product/B_K_Precision_4005DDS_Function_Generator_5_MHz/UX-20045-66
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:03:37 < OoTLink> afk
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:05:09 < FreezingCold> heh so to import stuff to a USA warehouse I need to have a US business =/
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:05:13 < FreezingCold> bullshit :(
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:06:41 < MjrTom> Yo Dawg!  I heard you like countries!  So I put a country in your country so you could... aww, never mind
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:08:22 < FreezingCold> I would if I could sell internationally to another company, get them to import it, then buy it back
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:09:22 < vietminer> is grid-tied worth it? let say i spent $10k on it when will I get my ROI back
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:10:15 < FreezingCold> depends what country you're from
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:10:22 < vietminer> usa east coast
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:10:31 < vietminer> 13 cent per kilowatts im paying at the moment
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:11:09 < vietminer> i mine bitcoin :)
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:11:29 < vietminer> uses a lot of power
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:11:48 < FreezingCold> vietminer: still doesn't matter
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:11:56 < FreezingCold> it matters what they pay YOU back
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:12:05 < vietminer> true never thought of that
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:12:17 < vietminer> i thought w/ that gridtied it will reverse my meter
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:12:23 < Loshki> FreezingCold: depends on where you are. Registering as a small business in California is reasonably easy if you live here...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:12:26 < vietminer> but never really know the detail on how much it reversed
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:12:41 < FreezingCold> Loshki: and then I'm bending over on a table for the IRS?
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:12:57 < FreezingCold> suddenly I'm "admitting" I'm running an "American" business
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:13:54 < Loshki> FreezingCold: Oh, you want to import stuff and not pay any tax? Different business entirely, sorry no expertise there...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:14:31 < FreezingCold> well I want to pay the usual custom fees that people usually receive from USPS
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:18:41 < MjrTom> if your elec service has asymetrical rates, then you want to buy low sell high... but, it's really simply another way to spend a lot of money to earn a little money over time
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:18:50 < Loshki> FreezingCold: depends on what you import, where & how. I hear electronics deliveries from China sometimes grossly understate the taxable value of goods. If you're importing antiques, I dunno who you'd have to convince that the taxable pricing was fair. Surely there can't be an antiques expert at every port of entry?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:06 < dhrosa> hmm, how terrible is it to depend on the current limiting of a lm317 on purpose
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:11 < OoTLink> hehe.
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:20 < dhrosa> as in, force it into current limiting mode
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:23 < Loshki> dhrosa: if it saves some magic smoke...
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:19:30 < FreezingCold> Loshki: I don't want to understate the value
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:37 < OoTLink> all is fair in love and war
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T04:19:39 < OoTLink> and burning out ciruits
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:19:45 < Loshki> FreezingCold: sorry, bored now...
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T04:19:50 < FreezingCold> haha
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:02:19 < Casper> still worth the time to try as it
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:02:23 < botcrusher> but it's worth a shot right?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:02:25 < Casper> it might just work...
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:02:31 < FreezingCold> lol I found this poster when I was browsing for finding work this evening
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:02:35  * Casper bets flyback knows
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:02:35 < FreezingCold> http://www.kijiji.ca/o-posters-other-ads/75059241
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:02:43 < FreezingCold> the ottawa police aren't even trying that hard =/
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:02:48 < FreezingCold> that's embarrassing
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:03:29 < botcrusher> wow
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:03:50 < botcrusher> well that's kinda sad since i live in ottawa...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:03:56 < Casper> or it's legit..
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:04:07 < botcrusher> alright! time to break out a breadboard
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:04:14 < FreezingCold> botcrusher: our police are pretty fail
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:04:14 < Casper> might be the familly account
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:04:21 < FreezingCold> lol
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:04:25 < FreezingCold> totallly
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:04:26 < botcrusher> gnite guys /gals thanks for the help!
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:04:41 < FreezingCold> Casper: show up with handcuffs
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:06:48 < Casper> what make you think it's the police?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:12:29 < FreezingCold> did you see the posts dude lol?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:13:46 < ohsix> postbuns
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:14:06 < Casper> sound like a typical kid writting a post...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:17:07 < ohsix> what exactly do you propose that poster is trying to do
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:17:59 < FreezingCold> Casper: so why does the gender and age change, yet the post stay the same?
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:18:09 < ohsix> seems like an unforced error if they don't know you can view other posts by the same address
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:19:44 < ohsix> how does this place handle reporting posts that are against the rules
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:20:01 < Casper> FreezingCold: 3 posts
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:21:15 < Casper> first and third is the same person, the 14yo girl... she didn't put her gender in her initial post.... then her brother, 16, posted and got the idea to put his gender for clarification...
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:21:27 < Casper> she then got jealous and redid her post without removing the first
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:25:21 < OoTLink> fuck silicon valley
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:26:07 < ohsix> the show?
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T06:26:31 < FreezingCold> no the person
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:26:49 < ohsix> the show is kind of a bummer
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T06:27:04 < ohsix> technobabble non sequiturs that don't even make sense
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:13:11 < Shawn286> * ohsix
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2014-06.log:2014-06-27T07:15:23 < FreezingCold> heh, I hate soldering with lead
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:15:24 < upgrdman> got my brushless motor controller prototype working :)  http://farrellf.com/temp/blm_controller_1st_test.jpg
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:17:46 < upgrdman> also here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BItgNZTaz1w
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T07:19:24 < Casper> FreezingCold: you refer leadfree?!?
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T07:19:32 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-06.log:2014-06-27T07:19:36 < FreezingCold> moves a little slower
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:19:49 < dhrosa> zap0: a as in apple, pri as in pretty, cot as in cot
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:20:49 < zap0> dhrosa, i say  ape-re-cot
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:52:42 < DoYouKnow> techno156: the diaphragm can be the surface of the crystal
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:52:52 < techno156> ok
2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:53:16 < techno156> Thanks. :D
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2014-06.log-2014-06-27T07:54:17 < DoYouKnow> you can actually make an opamp out of a piezo crystal and a coil
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:17:25 < Polesch_> In any good company like 99% will meet QA, the rest would just be recycled I'm sure
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:17:44 < R0b0t1> Polesch_: Depends, sometimes the process just sucks.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:18:00 < R0b0t1> But you shouldn't be *selling* anything faulty, sure.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:18:08 < Polesch_> In which case the production can't be very economical, and they'd go out of business
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:18:33 < R0b0t1> It's not like they choose the shitty option, you know
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:31:56 < SpeedEvil> Walmart purchased ASDA - which is another big retailer in the UK. They have not rebranded it in any way, or made any significant change visible to consumers
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:32:40 < ShadowJK> Though, their europe branch is Asda, right? They once did a social audit on us. I was pulled in for interviews. They asked about worker's right, and whether I would fear losing my job if I joined a union. I really had to struggle to not laugh, at the european sub of walmart asking whether union activity gets surpressed.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:32:51 < Loshki> My point is that to be big enough to do business with walmart/tesco, you have to be pretty big yourself, and would undoubtedly be b2b
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:33:35 < ShadowJK> Loshki, yes, but atleast here, farmers are kinda "special" to accounting/business/tax rules
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:33:40 < ShadowJK> So I asked
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:47:44 < Polesch_> I think Norway has had great success financially, a very unique method of investing.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:48:35 < ShadowJK> Loshki, in real life I have an accent, and if I try to use words and expressions that are stereotypically regional, or curse words that are stereotypically texan or whatever, people tend to giggle :-)
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T01:48:57 < Polesch_> A Finn in Texas?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:01 < Scott0_> R0b0t1: maybe ill just mount the switch in a DIN enclosure
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:04 < noTHD> but in summer the required temp.difference is from 30 to 25 for example
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:06 < noTHD> only 5
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:17 < noTHD> or 35 to 25 if you like
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:20 < Scott0_> R0b0t1: there's also this http://www.klocknermoeller.com/rmq_titan/illuminated-selector-switch-operators.htm
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:17:22 < noTHD> only 10
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:31:47 < noTHD> infiltration air is a very small part compared to the air in the room
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:31:56 < ShadowJK> The typical unit consists of heat exchanger with bypass, that is, in winter, exhaust air heat is transfered to income air
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:32:36 < ShadowJK> The bypass thingy, when enabled, makes intake air only 1-2C hotter than exhaust air
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:32:40 < ShadowJK> "only"
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T02:33:35 < ShadowJK> But nevermind that
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T03:11:27 < acetoline> anyone have any neat ideas of what to do with a couple of microwave transistors?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T03:11:46 < FreezingCold> lol something at work managed to bother me a little
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T03:12:26 < FreezingCold> a client tried tell me I needed to get another techician to help me plug in a charger because "you're doing it wrong, the other technician knows how to do it properly."
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T03:13:25 < FreezingCold> way to be an ageist asshole; literally nobody else in my location has a electronics background. If anybody knows what's "wrong" with a charger or software, it's me
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T03:13:40 < ShadowJK> /me changerd oil >2 years ago
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T03:13:55 < yggdrasili> well to be honest FreezingCold you're meant to wait until the full mooon
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T03:13:57 < yggdrasili> *moon
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T03:14:36 < FreezingCold> you know what I was doing "wrong"? I was charging the chair while it's on so it just has an idle screen. She believes that you can only charge it when the joystick module is off...
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:09:47 < yggdrasili> nice scottstamp
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:09:54 < dhrosa> if the fuse tripped  I'd be surprised that the  lightturns on yggdrasili
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:10:16 < yggdrasili> or get warm, nonetheless i'd still check for one
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:10:41 < FreezingCold> interesting, if I die my insurance pays out $10k
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:10:53 < yggdrasili> to me? :>
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:11:01 < scottstamp> HoloPed_w: crack it open and see if anything gets unusually warm while it's powered.
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:11:11 < dhrosa> FreezingCold: die, and then collect the life insurance, flawless!
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:11:19 < MjrTom> problem?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:11:23 < scottstamp> Don't fucking poke around in there, the transformer is exposed
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:11:29 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: actually if you'd like I can fill out the information sheet that lists you as the owner of my estate
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:11:32 < ohsix> Hodapp: verbatim: accessing as bytes
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:11:36 < ohsix> then shifting
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:11:55 < yggdrasili> yup sounds good FreezingCold :) just so long as i get your estate, not your debts ;)
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:12:19 < ohsix> scottstamp: -save-temps and -fdump yea
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:12:32 < FreezingCold> yggdrasili: package deal. Seeing as how I can't even get a stupid Amazon.ca credit card I wanted, there's probably not going to be any debts
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:12:41 < yggdrasili> heheh ;)
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:12:54 < FreezingCold> I have literally no loans or access to borrowed money right nnow
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:12:57 < HoloPed_w> scottstamp, i opened and nothing seems burned
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:12:59 < FreezingCold> I can't go into debt if I wanted to
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:13:17 < scottstamp> HoloPed_w: warm / hot != burned
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:45:57 < electrostatic> i smell burning cigarette filter
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:47:36 < FreezingCold> so for flashing routers and crap, do I need a ISP or JTAG programmer usually?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:47:53 < FreezingCold> I thought JTAG, but some models just seem to solder right onto the ROM, so ISP seems more correct
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:47:58 < electrostatic> so, what I am working on is a heating coil switching supply that feeds back watts instead of amps or volts.  This is so a range of coil resistances can be used without need for calibration.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:48:03 < electrostatic> Hence the need to multiply
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:48:28 < electrostatic> The multipliers are $4.50 a piece by the 1000
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:49:04 < electrostatic> Or I can buy obsolete dip-8 stock from a marginally well respected ebay sell for $3 per
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:49:33 < FreezingCold> actually
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:49:34 < FreezingCold> I have one of these
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:49:35 < FreezingCold> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/USB-ISP-Programmer-for-ATMEL-AVR-51-ATMega-ATTiny-NEW-GOOD-QUALITY-M17-/291177623300?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43cb89ef04
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:49:35 < electrostatic> Unless I can find a better way to determine wattage
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:49:40 < ohsix> https://www.flickr.com/photos/lovely_bicycle/14131209654/lightbox/ this is not weird at all
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T04:49:42 < FreezingCold> can I use that to flash ISP memory?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:50:02 < ohsix> BustyLoli-Chan: heh yea, or something, maybe do ask in ##hardware ;D
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T04:50:16 < ohsix> BustyLoli-Chan: you could also take them off and find a way to warm them
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:24:25 < Aldem> Use a triac on the Line and Neutral accordingly to the voltage you don't want to exceed, the TRIAC goes in breakdown, it shorts, then the fuse blows
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:24:27 < yggdrasili> oh hehehe
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:24:33 < yggdrasili> well better to be safe than sorry zinx
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:24:37 < FreezingCold> What Linux programs can I use to flash a ISP memory chip?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:24:40 < FreezingCold> http://www.macronix.com/Lists/Datasheet/Attachments/1623/MX25L6406E,%203V,%2064Mb,%20v1.8.pdf
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:24:43 < FreezingCold> this one, to be exact
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:24:56 < Scott0_> wish there was something I could put on my hands when the mouse gets sweaty or greasy
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:25:00 < zinx> FreezingCold: flashrom typically
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:25:08 < Aldem> Scott0_: Gloves ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:25:46 < zinx> though that one seems to have its own commands
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:26:31 < zinx> looks SPI compatible
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:26:48 < FreezingCold> zinx: Think that would work with a AVR type programmer? It's called USBASP V2.0
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:27:23 < yggdrasili> yes i have that, its good
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:27:29 < zinx> FreezingCold: dunno the details, i've been writing my own flashers w/ my STM32F3DISCOVERY
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:27:37 < yggdrasili> cool zinx :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:28:04 < FreezingCold> zinx: you can flash whole ROMies from that?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:28:57 < zinx> FreezingCold: sure, i emulate a USB programmer and translate to whatever commands the target takes
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:29:27 < Scott0_> Aldem: gloves for what?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:29:38 < Aldem> For the greasy mouse :P
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:54:09 < DoYouKnow> at least, that's my understanding of it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:55:17 < ossifrage> I'm trying to find a 6 pin RGB LED in the smallest possible package (0404 would be nice)
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:09 < FreezingCold> bought these
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:09 < FreezingCold> http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321261892629
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:56:09 < MjrTom> United States of Mexico has the best government that money can buy
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:16 < FreezingCold> they look nice for getting into SMD parts
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:23 < zigggggy> FreezingCold did you call chase?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:32 < FreezingCold> fuck I keep forgetting
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:56:34 < FreezingCold> thank you for reminding me
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:57:01 < DoYouKnow> MjrTom: good luck trying to get the US to owe/own up on that one
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:57:02 < FreezingCold> yeah I just paid my bank a retarded 2.5% fee for ebay currency conversion again
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:57:27 < DoYouKnow> at least to actually stop the crime there rather than buy it off
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:57:30 < hjf> DoYouKnow: actually money is printed by the government, but this company also had the machines to do it so when extra capacity was needed they hired them. it was so bad at one point, we had to have our money printed in brazil for a while (and brazil didn't have as good machines as we did so their bills were slightly different)
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:57:57 < FreezingCold> (888) 245-0625 is the number
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:58:23 < hjf> FreezingCold: we have a tax here in argentina for that. it's 35%
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:58:48 < DoYouKnow> hjf: that's bad for counterfeiting detection... having multiple bill types
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T05:58:58 < FreezingCold> zigggggy: currently closed :(
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T05:59:10 < DoYouKnow> at least makes it more difficult
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:33:42 < dhrosa> are there usefulcomponents to be had from dismantling ATX power supplies
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:33:43 < dhrosa> ?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:33:48 < ohsix> torque above your center of gravity
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T06:33:56 < FreezingCold> the hell, paypal tricked me into withdrawing from my visa
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:33:57 < ohsix> fans, switches, diodes, capacitors
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:34:06 < bgamari> How does one go about digitally adjusting the output voltage of a buck converter? I initially thought to just replace the feedback divider with a digital pot, but unfortunately the voltage is too high for most digital pots
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T06:34:16 < ohsix> is it busted? i keep them together as long as i can just in case i need the power
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:21:49 < Hyratel> 24v pump with a 10v monitor circuit
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:21:57 < Hyratel> airgapped with a relay
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:22:35 < Hyratel> Scott0_, do you have a multimeter?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:22:36 < FreezingCold> Leeloo isn't here
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:22:37 < FreezingCold> damn it
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:22:54 < tawr> what is a monitor circuit?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:23:00 < FreezingCold> wanted to show her this
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:23:01 < FreezingCold> http://www.ncix.com/detail/e-blue-silenz-red-wave-sensor-9f-91182-1382.htm
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:17 < Hyratel> that's what I've been trying to figure out
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:19 < ohsix> she's still on freenode, and probably ##stm32
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:26 < Hyratel> Scott0_, what does the 10v circuit do
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:23:28 < DanDare> FreezingCold, do you want to ask her to marry you?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:34 < DanDare> :)
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:23:44 < FreezingCold> DanDare: yes, I will propose with a NCIX sale
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:49 < DanDare> :D
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:49 < Hyratel> you might know exactly what's doing what, but we don't
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:23:51 < Scott0_> it just gets read
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:24:49 < Hyratel> so it reads statuses and uses a 10v Normally Open (NO) trigger?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:25:12 < Scott0_> im guessing
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:25:19 < Hyratel> then you can use a FET
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:25:23 < DanDare> FreezingCold, maybe thats why shes away, maybe she just got some bf
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T07:25:31 < FreezingCold> :'(
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:25:36 < Scott0_> where shall I mount a FET in my enclosure?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:25:38 < DanDare> :p
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T07:25:42 < tawr> why not just use the original relay?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:42:20 < ohsix> acetoline: i thought it was acetylcholine ;D
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:42:24 < Gyndawyr> otherwise I'd build my own car - if it were cheap to manufacture custom aluminium panels
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:42:42 < Gyndawyr> it must cost a bloody fortune
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:42:51 < FreezingCold> uh oh
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:42:52 < FreezingCold> fuck
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:43:21 < Gyndawyr> did the sawzall pleasureseeker 3000 go wrong?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:43:37 < Gyndawyr> what's the matter?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:43:53 < ohsix> http://www.aetherapparel.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bicycle-Tire-Spikes-0-590x421.jpg neat, they snap on
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:45:39 < acetoline> bikes are so freaking expensive I was thinking of building my own
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:45:47 < Gyndawyr> I like the idea of fitting three wheels in a row to the front and then chasing down small children with my tire spikes of death
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:45:50 < acetoline> or at least, just the frame
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:46:07 < FreezingCold> Gyndawyr: I found out why I got rejected for my credit card application
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:46:12 < Gyndawyr> why? you can buy a frame for not that much money - unless you mean carbon fibre
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:46:19 < FreezingCold> I'm in the middle of applying for a stock broker site
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:46:26 < FreezingCold> they're giving me details about "myself"
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:46:38 < Gyndawyr> tell 'em to "ammend' the details about yourself
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:46:46 < FreezingCold> I had a car loan at 16 apparently
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:47:02 < Gyndawyr> because clearly if you're a stock broker then you're an ultra high-flying business person
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:47:05 < FreezingCold> and I took student loans out at 13
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:47:16 < Gyndawyr> you're not British are you, FreezingCold?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:47:21 < FreezingCold> Canadian
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:47:25 < Gyndawyr> if this happens in Britain I'll be incredibly disappointed
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:47:26 < Gyndawyr> ohh good
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:04 < dhrosa> Hyratel: in series?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:20 < Hyratel> yes
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:24 < dhrosa> Hyratel: but then, you need a high/low-side gate driver for the other FET?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:50:34 < FreezingCold> Gyndawyr: damn it, now I have to go to sleep knowing that my credit score is fucked up
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:36 < Hyratel> IDK, not my problem
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:50:38 < FreezingCold> I wonder how.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:42 < tawr> Gyndawyr - cast your own
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:50:45 < tawr> it's not that hard
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:50:47 < FreezingCold> wrong SIN number?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:51:23 < Gyndawyr> see why don't I believe you tawr?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:51:32 < Gyndawyr> The melting point of aluminium is ridiculous
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:51:48 < Gyndawyr> plus where the hell do you buy raw aluminium from? A scrap dealership?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:21 < Gyndawyr> I'll look into it because I've always wanted my own furnace but damn it I think it sounds incredibly difficult
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:23 < tawr> it's 1,200F
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:25 < tawr> that's nothing
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:52:30 < FreezingCold> Gyndawyr: ohhhhh, turns out the questions were fake to "test" me
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:31 < tawr> youtube literally has thousands of videos on doing it
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:40 < tawr> casting steel alloys - now that's hard.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:52:51 < tawr> at more than 2.2x the temp
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:53:08 < tawr> as far as materials, a lot of people buy used aluminum rims and melt them into ingots
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:53:12 < tawr> then use them as needed
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:53:13 < Gyndawyr> FreezingCold: Whoever did this "naah we're just teasin' ya" trick... you should probably find somebody else to do business with than them.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:53:32 < Hyratel> and there's a lot of alu scrap
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:53:34 < tawr> Gyndawyr - it's very easy to do
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:53:35 < FreezingCold> Gyndawyr: the thing is that they randomly picked things from your credit file
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:53:47 < FreezingCold> Gyndawyr: and if there's not enough, then they make up questions that you need to answer "no" to
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T08:53:52 < FreezingCold> and I have no credit file
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:53:54 < tawr> let me put it this way - a steel forging furnace (propane) is hotter than the melting point of aluminum.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T08:54:03 < tawr> and people make them for under 50 bucks for small ones.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:42:44 < madist> electrostatic: that's a good reccomendation.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:43:05 < madist> plutonium tends to explode if the amplifier it is in implodes.
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T17:43:23 < FreezingCold> hmm
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:43:24 < tawr> howdy madist
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T17:43:26 < FreezingCold> this adapter is working
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T17:43:26 < tawr> FreezingCold
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T17:43:33 < FreezingCold> good morning mate tawr
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:43:33 < madist> o/ tawr
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:45:06 < electrostatic> madist: I was a little confused until I read further and found that the entire thing is so old people still used tube displays.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T17:45:16 < tawr> so i got a few syringes, im trying to figure out what to use them for
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:09:56 < madist> java applet
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:10:54 < xreal> madist: java -jar
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:11:13 < madist> complains of no main class
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:11:30 < madist> oh. nvm.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:11:33 < madist> my mistake.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:12:23 < madist> thanks, xreal
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T18:32:01 < corecode> o hi
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:21:18 < ossifrage> jdoles, the mythical ideal insulator?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:21:37 < jdoles> ossifrage: yes, such a thing cannot exist, right?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:21:38 < FreezingCold> lol, so I found out I can get fired at my job at any moment
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:21:55 < jdoles> FreezingCold: you are a contractor then.
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:00 < jdoles> FreezingCold: you don't have a job.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:22:02 < bobo1on1> even a vacuum conducts a bit
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:22:04 < Mad7Scientist> Is that unusual?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:07 < FreezingCold> well
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:11 < FreezingCold> with 2 weeks notice...
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:17 < jdoles> FreezingCold: still a contractor.
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:17 < FreezingCold> my boss makes me drive a company van, despite the fact I'm not allowed to by company policy
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:22:21 < obsed> what about triple layer rubber
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:28 < FreezingCold> jdoles: I got dem health benefits
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:42 < jdoles> FreezingCold: probably a contractor could also pay for those.
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:22:57 < jdoles> FreezingCold: two weeks notice is effectively that you are a contractor, IMHO.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:23:16 < bobo1on1> you can get fired because your boss makes you drive  a van?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:23:17 < R0b0t1> jdoles: No.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:25:00 < bobo1on1> parts these days are always human body model esd rated
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:25:31 < obsed> ossifrage: not working on those parts yet though i did a while ago. Just putting together the mobo, ram etc for a new pc
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:25:41 < Hyratel> got some epoxy to fix N64 joysticks - discovered a how-to that shows how to build back up the white plastic slide bearing cup that gets worn down the worst
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:25:41 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: my job is based on the fact that I can drive to client's houses. If I can't get to a client, what's the point of having my job?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:25:53 < bobo1on1> FreezingCold: ah, ok
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:25:58 < FreezingCold> bobo1on1: if HR finds out, they'll stop me. If I get stopped, my boss will fire me
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:26:13 < bobo1on1> big company then?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:26:35 < ShadowJK> jdoles, ikr
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:26:39 < FreezingCold> one of the largest in Canada
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:26:42 < ossifrage> bobo1on1, components are just much more vulnerable to static damage when not mounted
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:02 < bobo1on1> that too
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:02 < jdoles> !ikr
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:28 < bobo1on1> you have to have power rails for that to function though
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:39 < obsed> true that
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:48 < obsed> and nothing would have that while im building the pc
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:27:49 < kfoltman> FreezingCold: so your boss is breaking the HR rules? nice
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:50 < obsed> except the psu
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:27:50 < bobo1on1> I don't think I've ever blown a part with esd
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2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:28:00 < FreezingCold> kfoltman: completely
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:04 < ShadowJK> I once killed an mp3 player with esd.
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:09 < noTHD> ShadowJK
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:15 < JyZyXEL> if i have a 15.5VDC supply and a 12VDC relay, should i bother to use a linear reg for the relay coil?
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:16 < ShadowJK> I was sad, it was my favourite mp3 player, and nobody has made anything better
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:22 < noTHD> what you'll do in the folowing situation
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:26 < bobo1on1> hm really? what did you do?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:28:39 < FreezingCold> me? nothing
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:28:48 < ossifrage> bobo1on1, but you most definitely damaged them, just that damage doesn't show up right away
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:40:44 < SpeedEvil> Valve
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:40:59 < ohsix> bunvalve
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:41:03 < FreezingCold> What force pushes electrical current? Electrons, amperes or voltage...?
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:41:17 < FreezingCold> push is such a weird word
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:41:20 < obsed> about concrete floors: http://www.staticworx.com/articles/bare_concrete_anti-static_flooring.php
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:41:27 < noTHD> SpeedEvil ok , let's say that I use PWM but listen to the more important problem
2014-06.log:2014-06-28T22:42:03 < FreezingCold> nvm
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2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:42:55 < noTHD> I need to place local resistances (hydraulic resistances) to those convectors which are closer to the pump, but the problem is that these resistances are with one values for winter, and with other values for summer
2014-06.log-2014-06-28T22:43:06 < noTHD> and the installation is only one, it can't be both
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:20:04 < bobo1on1> if you have a uk plug that is
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:24:28 < Evidlo> If two voltage dividers are connected at their middle node, how do you calculate the current across this wire?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:39:12 < firelegend> LeelooMinai:You think it's doable? A voice controled A/C remote?
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:39:32 < LeelooMinai> In 2014? :) Yes
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:39:43 < firelegend> nothing too fancy just on/off, increase/decrease temperature and mode change
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:50:42 < obsed> Yeah if computer components have some residual charge in them, in Caps perhaps. may not be such a good idea
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:50:48 < obsed> so certainly not a conductive top layer
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:51:10 < FreezingCold> LeelooMinai: oh I had something for you last night
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:51:23 < FreezingCold> ....that came out wrong
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:51:29 < LeelooMinai> A mouse?
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:51:34 < FreezingCold> oh yeah!
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:51:36 < FreezingCold> you saw it?
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:51:42 < LeelooMinai> NO, just guessed
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:52:15 < FreezingCold> can't tell if serious or not...
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:52:21 < FreezingCold> http://www.ncix.com/detail/e-blue-silenz-red-wave-sensor-9f-91182-1382.htm
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:52:52 < LeelooMinai> obsed: Heres a nice overview of different mats: http://www.americanfloormats.com/static-dissipative-mats-esd-mats-conductive-mats/
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:53:00 < LeelooMinai> There are many kinds for different purposes
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:53:19 < obsed> LeelooMinai: ah interesting, thank you. I should be able to tell which is the appropriate one for my use-cases
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:53:23 < LeelooMinai> FreezingCold: Ok, that's a mouse... cheap, but still - looks like a plain mouse
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T00:53:41 < FreezingCold> it is
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:53:53 < LeelooMinai> So, what's special about it?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T00:55:03 < madist> BLUE LEDS!!!
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:38 < The_Coolest> any ideas what could cause problem #1? http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/car-audio/252322-replacing-output-transistors-lightning-audio-b300-4-a-4.html#post3975141
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:39 < LeelooMinai> upgrdman: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Prototyping-board-electronic-breadboard-Gold-Plated-Contacts-/131160405317?nma=true&si=A4otciJDwAjPSgMnNNlv%252BQb7B5o%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:42 < ohsix> still on a tether or externally powered, but small
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T05:00:43 < MjrTom> The_Coolest are you really cooler than FreezingCold?
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:44 < dhrosa> DoYouKnow: I don't know, buthow about we just use existing insects: http://phys.org/news/2012-09-technique-remotely-cockroaches-video.html
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:53 < The_Coolest> MjrTom dunno
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T05:00:58 < The_Coolest> I haven't checked
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:21:06 < FreezingCold> How do those instant water heaters work compared to a standard tank?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:21:39 < _abc_> FreezingCold: water runs through a short very high powered tube resistor. For gas it's the same but the tube is bathed in the flame.
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:22:10 < FreezingCold> er, I meant most as a consumer :p
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:22:34 < Jan-> we just had a condensing boiler fitted
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:22:56 < _abc_> FreezingCold: tank is better because you always have a reserve
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:23:00 < bobo1on1> they work by dimming the lights when you open the tap
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:23:07 < FreezingCold> _abc_: that's the feeling I was getting
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:23:08 < _abc_> FreezingCold: instant can be tricky if water is really cold and or pressure unstable.
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:23:13 < torsk> man, i love this channel already and ive only read a couple lines
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:23:26 < _abc_> Also you can program the tank ones to draw power only at night or when it's cheap
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:23:29 < Jan-> hello torsk and welcome :)
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:04 < FreezingCold> _abc_: I was thinking like 50L
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:19 < _abc_> FreezingCold: There's a calculation based on number of people and their habits
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:25:25 < _abc_> 50L is ok for 1 person
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:25:31 < _abc_> You need more for more.
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:35 < FreezingCold> yeah
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:39 < FreezingCold> there's only one shower in this house
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2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:48 < FreezingCold> and usually not more than 2 or 3 people here at once
2014-06.log:2014-06-29T23:25:55 < FreezingCold> except during the night, but that doesn't count as we're sleeping
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2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:25:57 < _abc_> It takes at least 2 hours for the water to heat up again so the 2nd one can use it
2014-06.log-2014-06-29T23:25:59 < telec2> How i can discover the Q-Point of a particular transistor ? How Biasing it ?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:46:05 < hjf> who think it's funny to declar 1ton of crap and load 900kg
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:46:18 < SpeedEvil> hjf: wy is that a problem?
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:46:27 < malinus> here in EU we are lucky hjf, many chinese sellers just send to their EU warehouse, and just re-send locally.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:47:00 < SpeedEvil> malinus: I've seen few doing that.
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:47:00 < hjf> SpeedEvil: loads have to match exactly what's in the proforma. if something doesn't match, you get penalized
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T00:47:06 < SpeedEvil> hjf: ah
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T01:01:28 < hjf> he isn't and never was a creditor: he bought only bonds, he never lended any money
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T01:01:59 < hjf> the problem is that, there is a clause for which, if Argentina pays 100% to someone, they have to pay 100% to everyone else
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T01:02:18 < hjf> under US law, if 2/3 of creditors accept a proposal, the remainder are forced to accept
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T01:02:30 < hjf> but Argentina is a sovereign country, so this doesn't apply
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T01:02:46 < hjf> the problem is that this company is going against the will of 93% of others
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:49:01 < johntramp> is there an overhead when sending variable length packets over bluetooth LE?
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2014-06.log:2014-06-30T02:49:35 < FreezingCold> oh joy, I'm moving out of my parents house.... to move in with my sister
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:49:36 < johntramp> vs fixed length packets
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2014-06.log:2014-06-30T02:49:54 < FreezingCold> I don't know how I offended the gods enough to cause this
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:51:56 < filadome> is it safe to use the computer sound card as an ocilloscope?
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:53:36 < filadome> i saw a youtube video that used the program "soundcard oscilloscope"
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:54:08 < filadome> it's using my microphone
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:55:15 < CoolBear> Microphone input is not a good idea, it's way more sensitive and will clip way sooner.
2014-06.log:2014-06-30T02:55:40 < malinus> FreezingCold, you haven't offended the gods, you just live in italy or spain ;)
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:55:46 < CoolBear> It most likely also have a voltage output to drive a mic.
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T02:58:16 < CoolBear> You can find some cards that can take higher input voltage(xonar d2x for example spec 2v RMS), but buffering/limiting is still a good idea.
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T06:52:57 < hjf> that my dad explains them how to use that...for free
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T06:53:05 < hjf> no dude, we bill that
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T06:53:27 < hjf> (apparently they think you get only 1 warranty repair and then you lose your warranty.................)
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T06:54:39 < hjf> the best part is when philips calls you and asks you to accept a product, in warranty "just this one time"
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T06:54:47 < hjf> "nope. it's 1 day after warranty expired"
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:08:42 < ossifrage> It actually was a backup volume, it had all the backups on it
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:08:54 < upgrdman> anyone know a cheap usa source for SMD 0.1" headers?
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:08:57 < MjrTom> in United States of Mexico, companies tend to treat their customers with outright contempt
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2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:09:13 < electrostatic1> what about companies that make inherently unsafe products that they market as inherently unsafe?
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:09:13 < MjrTom> feels like "how dare you try to be our customer!"
2014-06.log-2014-06-30T07:09:13 < hjf> Casper: what do you mean?